Re: USB problem, hardware issue
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 09:29:18AM +0100, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Joel Roth a écrit : (running sid) (...) Good idea! I tried booting Rescatux, and didn't see any trace of problems with the USB input devices. And then rebooting my usual system, the issue with lost keystrokes/mouse-movements return. Happily, it's not hardware. When running sid, my first guess would not be hardware. Rescatux is 3.2.0-4-amd64, my current system is 3.2.0-3-amd64 Why are you still running such an old kernel (even older than the kernel in stable) with sid ? There have been issues when the kernel and udev are of too different ages. I wasn't paying attention... I had considered that kernel interfaces remained stable over time. Once I could get the driver and firmware for my wireless card compiled in the kernel, I pretty must lost interest in future upgrades. I never needed any new features. I upgraded sid, either to get new versions of software, and to avoid too long a gap in time (which I was told could lead to problem in upgrades having too cross too much distance.) I note that apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade did not advise installing new kernels. Although there are few guarantees for sid, I never imagined that upgrading through a non-broken dependency graph would break my system, and end up corrupting two NTFS file systems that cannot be easily fixed by utilities commonly available under Linux. (Ext4 didn't seem to suffer as much.) This is one of the bigger file system corruption issues I've had with Debian. Fortunately, the partitions were automatically remounted read-only while the contents were still readable, and fortunately, I've been particular about backing up. I guess my inadvertent experiment illustrated these dependencies between udev and the kernel. No doubt future upgrades of debian will require that kernel upgrades be baked into the package dependency tree. Greetings, Joel -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141121115017.GA6708@sprite
Re: Problems with grub2/initramfs-tools in chroot
Ross Boylan wrote: Over the last week I've repeatedly found my machine unbootable, in the sense I couldn't get to a working system without intervention. Sometimes I couldn't even get the grub2 menu. Things are OK now, but I'm trying to understand what went wrong so I don't do it again. I had multiple disks and was working on the first 2. Initially I worked on sdb and left sda blank. My setup involves various extras: software RAID, crypo (cryptsetup) and LVM, though not all system instances used all those. Disks were GPT (or blank); everything was wheezy amd64. () Could changing the boot order in the BIOS change the drive mappings and screw up grub that way? Thanks for any wisdom. Historically, bets are off when you change things around in the boot system. However, IIUC, when you use UUIDs, the BIOS order shouldn't matters; you can plug and play as you need.[1] With GRUB you can often recover at the command prompt, as you did. I recently had a problem during update-grub that mount would hang while attempting to mount the container of extended partitions. But now I think it may also have been a udev version kernel issue. You have rather sophisticated needs, but for me, I recently installed LILO, and I can't believe how simple my life just became. greetings, Joel 1. http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Device-map -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141122001148.GB31799@sprite
USB problem, hardware issue?
Dear List, I started noticing a delay between when I start moving the mouse on my T410 (running sid), and when the cursor actually starts to move. I replaced the mouse, but it didn't help. Now I am noticing that when I've left the USB keyboard idle, the first keystroke or two is lost. I also experienced journal I/O errors on NTFS partitions on USB connected disks, and difficulties with ext4 partitions under loads of many concurrent reads and writes. Together I'm considering these may be symptoms of hardware issues. Does anyone have experience with this? thanks, -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141120202453.GA3609@sprite
apt-get source download has files not in git repository
Hi list, I'm trying to build the dbus package from source. I can do it the usual way: apt-get source cd dbus-1.18.10 debuild -uc -us -b However, I would like to use the git repository. apt-get source helpfully announces: NOTICE: 'dbus' packaging is maintained in the 'Git' version control system at: git://anonscm.debian.org/pkg-utopia/dbus.git However, there are files that apt-get source downloads that are not in the repository. Can someone tell me where they come from? They appear necessary for the package to build. .pc/ Packages Packages.gz apt.conf debian/__db.pkgcache.apt debian/apt.conf debian/filelist.apt debian/lists.apt/ debian/sources.list debian/sources.list.destdir filelist.apt lists.apt/ pkgcache.apt pkgcache.bin restore sources.list sources.list.destdir srcpkgcache.bin Kind regards, Joel -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141120222932.GA10721@sprite
Re: USB problem, hardware issue?
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:56:31PM -0800, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 11/20/2014 12:24 PM, Joel Roth wrote: Dear List, I started noticing a delay between when I start moving the mouse on my T410 (running sid), and when the cursor actually starts to move. I replaced the mouse, but it didn't help. Now I am noticing that when I've left the USB keyboard idle, the first keystroke or two is lost. I also experienced journal I/O errors on NTFS partitions on USB connected disks, and difficulties with ext4 partitions under loads of many concurrent reads and writes. Together I'm considering these may be symptoms of hardware issues. Does anyone have experience with this? thanks, Do you have a liveOS on a cd/usb you can run as a test? Good idea! I tried booting Rescatux, and didn't see any trace of problems with the USB input devices. And then rebooting my usual system, the issue with lost keystrokes/mouse-movements return. Happily, it's not hardware. Rescatux is 3.2.0-4-amd64, my current system is 3.2.0-3-amd64 In suppose the next step will be to try another kernel. Regards, Joel Jimmy Johnson Debian - Wheezy - KDE 4.8.4 - AMD64 - EXT4 at sda1 Registered Linux User #380263 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/546e557f.5050...@gmail.com -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141120233800.GA5775@sprite
Re: USB problem, hardware issue? - RESOLVED
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:56:31PM -0800, Jimmy Johnson wrote: Do you have a liveOS on a cd/usb you can run as a test? Good idea! I tried booting Rescatux, and didn't see any trace of problems with the USB input devices. Confirmed that the input devices play better with a different kernel (now 3.1). I haven't thoroughly tested I/O issues with hard drives. Thanks for your help. Joel -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141121040954.GA4752@sprite
Re: USB problem, hardware issue?
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 09:48:35AM +0530, dE wrote: Anything in dmesg? lsmod has USB 2.0 drivers loaded? Chances are udev is loading the wrong kernel modules. Compare output of lspci -k from the livecd with with your running Debian system. Also update your initramfs with update-initramfs -u. Thanks, I wasn't familiar with -t or -k options of lspci. Very good to know. I've relied on apt-get to update initrd files, so update-initramfs is useful, too. Never thought that udev could get the driver wrong. I will check for differences next time I boot into the other kernel. Regards, Joel -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141121051749.GA11610@sprite
Modular-debian: a list for discussing init-system alternatives
Dear List, First I'd like to thank all who contribute to debian-user, and make it an invaluable resource for the Debian community. Despite others disagreements, I've seen those who post to the list have in common a generosity and enthusiasm to solve the issues related to administering Debian Linux. This is an extraordinary supplemental announcement that a separate list is available[1] to discuss the issues related to working with various init systems on Debian. Considering that it could contribute to conserving the resources of debian-user, we propose to announce it here every two months over the next year. Here is the statement of purpose: Debian has recently introduced systemd as default init system, replacing the long-serviceable sysvinit system. As dependencies on systemd diffuse through the Debian package ecosystem, users will tend to be forced to use it. This list is to discuss ways to maintain a more modular Debian ecosystem, and to avoid snowballing dependencies on a single init system. Those who are frustrated with Debian and considering the merits of the init systems, package management and admin environment of other OSs are also invited to bring their discussions to modular-debian, rather than burdening debian-user. With kind regards Joel Roth, list administrator 1. http://www.freelists.org/list/modular-debian -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141119220005.GA9513@sprite
Re: Ati Radeon HD 7850 Problem on Debian 7 Stable
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 07:49:51PM -0500, João Luís Correia de Medeiros wrote: Dear sir or madam, Same thing goes for my wireless card (I was unfortunate enough to get a realtek chip, it's an RTL8192 ), I install firmware-realtek from Debian ( And firmware-Linux-nonfree ) hoping it's all I need to get it up and running, but doing so, makes my ETH0 not respond to DHCP at all (I'm guessing it also needs a firmware blob to work, and is somehow being given the wrong one? ) Dear JM, According to lspci, I have RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller. I've been using the rtlwifi and rtl8192se drivers for years, with firmware-realtek. The drivers are not the greatest, but they don't interfere with eth0. I think the DHCP issue you have may be a different problem. Regards, Any help is appreciated! Thank you Best Regards JM -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141118033817.GA3059@sprite
Re: qemu-kvm problem - libvirtd won't start
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 05:43:07PM -0500, Gary Dale wrote: I've been running a couple of virtual machines on a Wheezy/AMD64 server for a few years now. After the last reboot, I couldn't connect to them anymore. I can't get libvirtd to start on the server: [] Starting libvirt management daemon: libvirtd/usr/sbin/libvirtd: error: unable to determine if daemon is running: No such file or directory failed! The message looks a bit strange with the libvirtd at the top of the path. Checking the libvirt/libvirtd.log I see: 2014-11-16 20:19:11.010+: 5658: error : qemuMonitorIO:660 : internal error: End of file from monitor 2014-11-16 20:19:11.014+: 5658: error : virSecurityDACRestoreSecurityFileLabel:310 : cannot resolve symlink /dev/bus/usb/002/002: No such file or directory Well, that is a big hint. Some entry in the /dev directory is not there. For example, in my system, $ find /dev/bus/usb/ /dev/bus/usb/ /dev/bus/usb/002 /dev/bus/usb/002/009 /dev/bus/usb/002/008 /dev/bus/usb/002/002 /dev/bus/usb/002/001 /dev/bus/usb/001 /dev/bus/usb/001/007 /dev/bus/usb/001/006 /dev/bus/usb/001/005 /dev/bus/usb/001/002 /dev/bus/usb/001/001 Those are dynamically generated by a subsystem called udev. However, sayeth the log, symlinks that point to these are dead. Not sure where to go with that Did you try starting the VMs directly using the qemu command? hth 2014-11-16 20:19:14.145+: 5658: error : virNetSocketReadWire:1453 : End of file while reading data: Input/output error I can't see anything much in syslog - nothing about libvirt(d) and only this about kvm: Nov 16 17:07:55 TheLibrarian kernel: [4.077661] kvm: Nested Virtualization enabled Nov 16 17:07:55 TheLibrarian kernel: [4.077665] kvm: Nested Paging enabled It's a fairly vanilla Wheezy server setup, running NFS and CUPS but also Samba4 from the backports, and of course qemu-kvm. Any ideas anyone? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5469287b.2090...@torfree.net -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141116233951.GA24262@sprite
Re: qemu-kvm problem - libvirtd won't start
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 08:52:30PM -0500, Gary Dale wrote: On 16/11/14 06:39 PM, Joel Roth wrote: Did you try starting the VMs directly using the qemu command? Don't have qemu installed. virsh reports: Maybe there is some connection (c.f. Subject:) error: failed to connect to the hypervisor error: no valid connection error: Failed to connect socket to '/var/run/libvirt/libvirt-sock': No such file or directory Tracking down those errors just tells me what I already know - that libvirtd isn't running. 2014-11-16 20:19:14.145+: 5658: error : virNetSocketReadWire:1453 : End of file while reading data: Input/output error I can't see anything much in syslog - nothing about libvirt(d) and only this about kvm: Nov 16 17:07:55 TheLibrarian kernel: [4.077661] kvm: Nested Virtualization enabled Nov 16 17:07:55 TheLibrarian kernel: [4.077665] kvm: Nested Paging enabled It's a fairly vanilla Wheezy server setup, running NFS and CUPS but also Samba4 from the backports, and of course qemu-kvm. Any ideas anyone? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5469287b.2090...@torfree.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/546954de.3000...@torfree.net -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141117023105.GA3807@sprite
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Shared libraries not found during build
Hi list, I'm running sid. For the first time in many months, I'm trying to build a package from source. After compiling I'm getting library-not-found errors, for example: apt-get source ntfs-3g debuild -b -uc -us Which eventually triggers a library not found error: make[1]: Entering directory '/home/jroth/build/ntfs-3g-2014.2.15AR.2' dh_makeshlibs --add-udeb=ntfs-3g-udeb -Vlibntfs-3g852 make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/jroth/build/ntfs-3g-2014.2.15AR.2' dh_shlibdeps -O--parallel dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library libntfs-3g.so.852 needed by debian/ntfs-3g/bin/ntfscmp (ELF format: 'elf64-x86-64'; RPATH: '') dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library libc.so.6 needed by debian/ntfs-3g/bin/ntfscmp (ELF format: 'elf64-x86-64'; RPATH: '') and ends with this message: dpkg-shlibdeps: error: cannot continue due to the errors listed above Note: libraries are not searched in other binary packages that do not have any shlibs or symbols file. To help dpkg-shlibdeps find private libraries, you might need to use -l. The full output is here: http://paste.debian.net/131197/ Any ideas what could be wrong with my build environment? Kind regards, -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141112200826.GA31616@sprite
Re: Shared libraries not found during build
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 09:35:34PM +0100, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2014-11-12 21:08 +0100, Joel Roth wrote: I'm running sid. For the first time in many months, I'm trying to build a package from source. After compiling I'm getting library-not-found errors, for example: apt-get source ntfs-3g debuild -b -uc -us Which eventually triggers a library not found error: make[1]: Entering directory '/home/jroth/build/ntfs-3g-2014.2.15AR.2' dh_makeshlibs --add-udeb=ntfs-3g-udeb -Vlibntfs-3g852 make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/jroth/build/ntfs-3g-2014.2.15AR.2' dh_shlibdeps -O--parallel dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library libntfs-3g.so.852 needed by debian/ntfs-3g/bin/ntfscmp (ELF format: 'elf64-x86-64'; RPATH: '') dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library libc.so.6 needed by debian/ntfs-3g/bin/ntfscmp (ELF format: 'elf64-x86-64'; RPATH: '') My hunch is that one of the files /etc/ld.so.conf and /etc/ld.so.conf.d/x86_64-linux-gnu.conf is missing or corrupt. Can you please run dpkg --verify libc-bin libc6:amd64 as root? /etc/ld.so.conf.d/x86_64-linux-gnu.conf is missing. $ sudo dpkg --verify libc-bin libc6:amd64 ??5?? c /etc/ld.so.conf ??5?? c /etc/ld.so.conf.d/x86_64-linux-gnu.conf Thanks, Joel Cheers, Sven -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141112210334.GA2060@sprite
Re: Shared libraries not found during build - SOLVED
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 10:40:55PM +0100, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2014-11-12 22:03 +0100, Joel Roth wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 09:35:34PM +0100, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2014-11-12 21:08 +0100, Joel Roth wrote: I'm running sid. For the first time in many months, I'm trying to build a package from source. After compiling I'm getting library-not-found errors, for example: apt-get source ntfs-3g debuild -b -uc -us Which eventually triggers a library not found error: make[1]: Entering directory '/home/jroth/build/ntfs-3g-2014.2.15AR.2' dh_makeshlibs --add-udeb=ntfs-3g-udeb -Vlibntfs-3g852 make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/jroth/build/ntfs-3g-2014.2.15AR.2' dh_shlibdeps -O--parallel dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library libntfs-3g.so.852 needed by debian/ntfs-3g/bin/ntfscmp (ELF format: 'elf64-x86-64'; RPATH: '') dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library libc.so.6 needed by debian/ntfs-3g/bin/ntfscmp (ELF format: 'elf64-x86-64'; RPATH: '') My hunch is that one of the files /etc/ld.so.conf and /etc/ld.so.conf.d/x86_64-linux-gnu.conf is missing or corrupt. Can you please run dpkg --verify libc-bin libc6:amd64 as root? /etc/ld.so.conf.d/x86_64-linux-gnu.conf is missing. $ sudo dpkg --verify libc-bin libc6:amd64 ??5?? c /etc/ld.so.conf ??5?? c /etc/ld.so.conf.d/x86_64-linux-gnu.conf Are you sure that /etc/ld.so.conf is not missing as well? In any case, you should reinstall the libc6 and libc-bin packages with the dpkg --force-confmiss option to get those files back. Thanks for your help in resolving this! Regards, Joel Cheers, Sven -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141113013302.GA4881@sprite
Re: Shared libraries not found during build
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 11:21:28PM +0100, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: * Joel Roth jo...@pobox.com [2014-11-12 10:08 -1000]: Hi list, I'm running sid. For the first time in many months, I'm trying to build a package from source. After compiling I'm getting library-not-found errors, for example: apt-get source ntfs-3g debuild -b -uc -us Which eventually triggers a library not found error: [...] dpkg-shlibdeps: error: cannot continue due to the errors listed above Note: libraries are not searched in other binary packages that do not have any shlibs or symbols file. To help dpkg-shlibdeps find private libraries, you might need to use -l. Try # apt-get build-dep ntfs-3g first and run the build again. All header dependencies for the build should be installed now. Thanks, that is a good suggestion, however I had all the build dependencies; the error turned out to be as Sven suggested: missing libraries indicated an issue with the config files /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf. Regards, Joel Elimar -- Numeric stability is probably not all that important when you're guessing;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2014111128.ga1...@galadriel.home.lxtec.de -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141113013431.GB4881@sprite
Re: grub-pc update causes mount hang
Chris Bannister wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 12:24:03PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: Joel Roth wrote: Joel Roth wrote: Hi list, I've been upgrading my sid system. When grub goes to regenerate /boot/grub/grub.cfg, mount uses 100% CPU and causes these processes to hang: 10064 pts/1S 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/lib/os-probes/50mounted-tests /dev/sda4 10075 pts/1R 7:33 mount -o ro -t ext4 /dev/sda4 /var/lib/os-prober/mount Okay, I did a workaround, so that dpkg --configure -a could finish. move update-grub update-grub.0 # (also for upgrade-grub2 to be sure) echo exit 0 update-grub chmod a+x update-grub Looking at the ps line above, I think it must be a bug either to try to mount an extended partition as ext4, or not to fail in mounting it. I'll have a look at the bug tracker. Thanks for providing ears to listen, and a sympathetic shoulder for my tears ;-) Have you got apt-listbugs installed? Pretty much essential if you're running testing or sid. Thanks for the suggestion. I've got three little icons on my browser toolbar that search the clipboard text against the 1) bug tracking system, 2) package tracking system and 3) package database. apt-listbugs seems like a nice addition. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2014113043.GF12428@tal -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2014143229.GA5918@sprite
Package system in odd state
Hi List, I just did an apt-get upgrade with sid, and now need some extra help to patch up the pieces :-/ When I try to install something, I get a conflict that apt-get install -f doesn't handle. Can anyone suggest how to resolve this? Kind regards, Joel git:master ~ $ sudo apt-get install -f Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Correcting dependencies... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: libinput3 libprotobuf8 Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. The following extra packages will be installed: libgdbm3:i386 The following packages will be upgraded: libgdbm3:i386 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1192 not upgraded. 235 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0 B/31.2 kB of archives. After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y (Reading database ... 292902 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to unpack .../libgdbm3_1.8.3-13+b1_i386.deb ... Unpacking libgdbm3:i386 (1.8.3-13+b1) over (1.8.3-13) ... dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libgdbm3_1.8.3-13+b1_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite shared '/usr/share/doc/libgdbm3/changelog.Debian.gz', which is different from other instances of package libgdbm3:i386 Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libgdbm3_1.8.3-13+b1_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141109083150.GA7455@sprite
Re: alsa-utils save / restore not working http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=768665
Karl E. Jorgensen wrote: Where are the state of the sound card(s) saved / restored? I don't use alsa-utils, but based on my understanding of the FHS, I'd expect somewhere under /var/lib/alsa-utils. But from reading the bug report, I'm led to believe it is /var/lib/alsa/asound.state Correct, and you can also save the ALSA state anywhere you want. man alsactl Hope this helps -- Karl E. Jorgensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141109093452.GA20873@hawking -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141109141527.GB12389@sprite
Re: Package system in odd state
Joel Roth wrote: Hi List, I just did an apt-get upgrade with sid, and now need some extra help to patch up the pieces :-/ Easily fixed by removing the conflicting file, see below: $ sudo apt-get install -f Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Correcting dependencies... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: libinput3 libprotobuf8 Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. The following extra packages will be installed: libgdbm3:i386 The following packages will be upgraded: libgdbm3:i386 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1192 not upgraded. 235 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0 B/31.2 kB of archives. After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y (Reading database ... 292902 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to unpack .../libgdbm3_1.8.3-13+b1_i386.deb ... Unpacking libgdbm3:i386 (1.8.3-13+b1) over (1.8.3-13) ... dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libgdbm3_1.8.3-13+b1_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite shared '/usr/share/doc/libgdbm3/changelog.Debian.gz', which is different from other instances of package libgdbm3:i386 rm /usr/share/doc/libgdbm3/changelog.Debian.gz Thanks :-) Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libgdbm3_1.8.3-13+b1_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141109083150.GA7455@sprite -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141109164547.GA19116@sprite
grub-pc update causes mount hang
Hi list, I've been upgrading my sid system. When grub goes to regenerate /boot/grub/grub.cfg, mount uses 100% CPU and causes these processes to hang: 10064 pts/1S 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/lib/os-probes/50mounted-tests /dev/sda4 10075 pts/1R 7:33 mount -o ro -t ext4 /dev/sda4 /var/lib/os-prober/mount fdisk -l /dev/sda returns: Disk /dev/sda: 320.1 GB, 320072933376 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders, total 625142448 sectors Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk identifier: 0x27b11b56 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda12048 2459647 12288007 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT /dev/sda2 * 24596487618022436860288+ 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT /dev/sda37618022584357314 4088545 82 Linux swap / Solaris /dev/sda484357315 625139711 270391198+ f W95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/sda584357378 11507359315358108 83 Linux /dev/sda6 115073658 534504057 209715200 83 Linux /dev/sda7 534504059 60465446535075203+ 83 Linux /dev/sda8 604659712 62513971110247 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT I would like to find out what (if anything) is wrong with mount or with my disk partition. Any advice would be very welcome. Thanks for your help! Joel -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141109214659.GA22140@sprite
Re: grub-pc update causes mount hang
Joel Roth wrote: Hi list, I've been upgrading my sid system. When grub goes to regenerate /boot/grub/grub.cfg, mount uses 100% CPU and causes these processes to hang: 10064 pts/1S 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/lib/os-probes/50mounted-tests /dev/sda4 10075 pts/1R 7:33 mount -o ro -t ext4 /dev/sda4 /var/lib/os-prober/mount fdisk -l /dev/sda returns: Disk /dev/sda: 320.1 GB, 320072933376 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders, total 625142448 sectors Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk identifier: 0x27b11b56 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda12048 2459647 12288007 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT /dev/sda2 * 24596487618022436860288+ 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT /dev/sda37618022584357314 4088545 82 Linux swap / Solaris /dev/sda484357315 625139711 270391198+ f W95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/sda584357378 11507359315358108 83 Linux /dev/sda6 115073658 534504057 209715200 83 Linux /dev/sda7 534504059 60465446535075203+ 83 Linux /dev/sda8 604659712 62513971110247 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT I would like to find out what (if anything) is wrong with mount or with my disk partition. Here are some diagnostics from dmesg: [ 1317.697620] INFO: task mount:19672 blocked for more than 120 seconds. [ 1317.697623] echo 0 /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs disables this message. [ 1317.697625] mount D 880137d13740 0 19672 19662 0x [ 1317.697629] 88012fe818d0 0086 8801 880133369610 [ 1317.697632] 00013740 8800af8a5fd8 8800af8a5fd8 88012fe818d0 [ 1317.697635] 880133747cc0 0001 88012fe28400 880130d1f868 [ 1317.697638] Call Trace: [ 1317.697646] [8134ab67] ? rwsem_down_failed_common+0xe0/0x114 [ 1317.697672] [810fa97b] ? set_bdev_super+0x2a/0x2a [ 1317.697674] [810fa951] ? ns_test_super+0xd/0xd [ 1317.697678] [811b26d3] ? call_rwsem_down_write_failed+0x13/0x20 [ 1317.697681] [8134a4d4] ? down_write+0x25/0x27 [ 1317.697685] [810fb11f] ? sget+0xb5/0x3d1 [ 1317.697691] [81036457] ? should_resched+0x5/0x23 [ 1317.697708] [a02405c4] ? ext4_remount+0x547/0x547 [ext4] [ 1317.697711] [810fb54e] ? mount_bdev+0x9b/0x1ac [ 1317.697715] [810eb57b] ? __kmalloc_track_caller+0xfe/0x110 [ 1317.697720] [810fbe63] ? mount_fs+0x61/0x146 [ 1317.697727] [8110ef0a] ? vfs_kern_mount+0x5f/0x99 [ 1317.697731] [8110f2f4] ? do_kern_mount+0x49/0xd8 [ 1317.697733] [8111096f] ? do_mount+0x660/0x6c6 [ 1317.697738] [810c8a3e] ? memdup_user+0x36/0x5b [ 1317.697740] [81110c7d] ? sys_mount+0x88/0xc3 [ 1317.697743] [8134fb92] ? system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b :) Any advice would be very welcome. Thanks for your help! Joel -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141109214659.GA22140@sprite -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141109215252.GA22742@sprite
Re: grub-pc update causes mount hang
Joel Roth wrote: Joel Roth wrote: Hi list, I've been upgrading my sid system. When grub goes to regenerate /boot/grub/grub.cfg, mount uses 100% CPU and causes these processes to hang: 10064 pts/1S 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/lib/os-probes/50mounted-tests /dev/sda4 10075 pts/1R 7:33 mount -o ro -t ext4 /dev/sda4 /var/lib/os-prober/mount Okay, I did a workaround, so that dpkg --configure -a could finish. move update-grub update-grub.0 # (also for upgrade-grub2 to be sure) echo exit 0 update-grub chmod a+x update-grub Looking at the ps line above, I think it must be a bug either to try to mount an extended partition as ext4, or not to fail in mounting it. I'll have a look at the bug tracker. Thanks for providing ears to listen, and a sympathetic shoulder for my tears ;-) Joel fdisk -l /dev/sda returns: Disk /dev/sda: 320.1 GB, 320072933376 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders, total 625142448 sectors Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk identifier: 0x27b11b56 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda12048 2459647 12288007 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT /dev/sda2 * 24596487618022436860288+ 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT /dev/sda37618022584357314 4088545 82 Linux swap / Solaris /dev/sda484357315 625139711 270391198+ f W95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/sda584357378 11507359315358108 83 Linux /dev/sda6 115073658 534504057 209715200 83 Linux /dev/sda7 534504059 60465446535075203+ 83 Linux /dev/sda8 604659712 62513971110247 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT I would like to find out what (if anything) is wrong with mount or with my disk partition. Here are some diagnostics from dmesg: [ 1317.697620] INFO: task mount:19672 blocked for more than 120 seconds. [ 1317.697623] echo 0 /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs disables this message. [ 1317.697625] mount D 880137d13740 0 19672 19662 0x [ 1317.697629] 88012fe818d0 0086 8801 880133369610 [ 1317.697632] 00013740 8800af8a5fd8 8800af8a5fd8 88012fe818d0 [ 1317.697635] 880133747cc0 0001 88012fe28400 880130d1f868 [ 1317.697638] Call Trace: [ 1317.697646] [8134ab67] ? rwsem_down_failed_common+0xe0/0x114 [ 1317.697672] [810fa97b] ? set_bdev_super+0x2a/0x2a [ 1317.697674] [810fa951] ? ns_test_super+0xd/0xd [ 1317.697678] [811b26d3] ? call_rwsem_down_write_failed+0x13/0x20 [ 1317.697681] [8134a4d4] ? down_write+0x25/0x27 [ 1317.697685] [810fb11f] ? sget+0xb5/0x3d1 [ 1317.697691] [81036457] ? should_resched+0x5/0x23 [ 1317.697708] [a02405c4] ? ext4_remount+0x547/0x547 [ext4] [ 1317.697711] [810fb54e] ? mount_bdev+0x9b/0x1ac [ 1317.697715] [810eb57b] ? __kmalloc_track_caller+0xfe/0x110 [ 1317.697720] [810fbe63] ? mount_fs+0x61/0x146 [ 1317.697727] [8110ef0a] ? vfs_kern_mount+0x5f/0x99 [ 1317.697731] [8110f2f4] ? do_kern_mount+0x49/0xd8 [ 1317.697733] [8111096f] ? do_mount+0x660/0x6c6 [ 1317.697738] [810c8a3e] ? memdup_user+0x36/0x5b [ 1317.697740] [81110c7d] ? sys_mount+0x88/0xc3 [ 1317.697743] [8134fb92] ? system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b :) Any advice would be very welcome. Thanks for your help! Joel -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141109214659.GA22140@sprite -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141109215252.GA22742@sprite -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141109222403.GA7480@sprite
How to enable larger mouse pointers under X
Hi list, I need larger mouse pointers. I'm running sid, using i3 and icewm as window managers. AIUI cursor images are set through X, and do not belong to the window manager. My first attempt was: % apt-get install big-cursor Restarting X brings no change. The docs suggest commenting out Xcursor.theme: whiteglass in /etc/X11/xdm/Xresources, however this didn't help. Next I read the technical background[1] for the big-cursor package, and as advised, tried putting big-cursor.pcf into $HOME/fonts, and putting these lines into .xinitrc: xset +fp $HOME/fonts xset fp rehash xsetroot -cursor_name X_cursor I also tried this in .xinitrc: xsetroot -xcf $HOME/fonts/big-cursor.pcf 96 No change in cursor size on restarting X. Another reference[2] suggests installing an appropriate cursor theme. Here is one possibility: dmz-cursor-theme - Style neutral, scalable cursor theme Scalable means can get bigger, so where do I command this? Another reference[3] suggests I set a size in .Xdefaults Xcursor.size: 96 But it doesn't help. Yet another reference[4] has a few more ideas. Among theme are to select a cursor theme like this: sudo update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme This changes the file /etc/alternatives/x-cursor-theme to contain, for example, [Icon Theme] Inherits=DMZ-Black However, I find no way to select the cursor size. I also consulted the Debian Accessibility Project, however the only reference to improving GUI accessibility is with reference to GNOME, which I am not using. I sincerely welcome any assistance! I cannot be the only person who has struggled with this. Regards, Joel 1. http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/X-Big-Cursor 2. http://www.xaprb.com/blog/2006/04/24/beautiful-x11-cursors/ 3. http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/HOWTO_Large_Mouse_Cursors 4. http://debian.2.n7.nabble.com/How-do-I-change-cursor-mouse-pointer-td2271405.html -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141108082127.GA4052@sprite
Re: How to enable larger mouse pointers under X
Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Freitag, 7. November 2014, 22:21:27 schrieb Joel Roth: Hi list, Hi Joel, I need larger mouse pointers. I'm running sid, using i3 and icewm as window managers. AIUI cursor images are set through X, and do not belong to the window manager. My first attempt was: Wow, what a challenge this seems to be it you do not have a desktop that allows you to set it. I just configured a pointer of size 48 in KDE Plasma and I just get a large pointer then. I could choose another desktop environment, but it seems like overkill, especially because icewm with custom menus does everything that the target user needs. I forgot to mention, I also found that I can see a lot of mouse cursors by running: % xfd -fn cursor Now, to be able to select and resize them would be grand. Cheers Joel Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141108090237.GC4052@sprite
Re: How to enable larger mouse pointers under X - SOLVED
On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 12:15:09PM +0300, Reco wrote: Hi. On Fri, 7 Nov 2014 22:21:27 -1000 Joel Roth jo...@pobox.com wrote: Hi list, I need larger mouse pointers. I'm running sid, using i3 and icewm as window managers. AIUI cursor images are set through X, and do not belong to the window manager. My first attempt was: % apt-get install big-cursor Restarting X brings no change. The docs suggest commenting out Xcursor.theme: whiteglass in /etc/X11/xdm/Xresources, however this didn't help. You've selected a correct package, but docs suggested you a wrong way to configure it (that recommendation applies to xdm only). Try adding 'Xcursor.theme: big-cursor' to your user's .Xresources file. Or, if you need systemwide change - to /etc/X11/Xresources/local. Hmmm. This didn't help, but I got the bright idea to modify /etc/alternatives/x-cursor-theme as follows: [Icon Theme] Inherits=big-cursor Which makes a difference! Thanks Joel Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141108121509.7f4c805bacad0faf7b1fc...@gmail.com -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2014110818.GA23726@sprite
Re: How to enable larger mouse pointers under X
On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 03:42:39PM +, Brian wrote: On Fri 07 Nov 2014 at 22:21:27 -1000, Joel Roth wrote: I need larger mouse pointers. I'm running sid, using i3 and icewm as window managers. AIUI cursor images are set through X, and do not belong to the window manager. Sid, JWM and no xdm here. My first attempt was: % apt-get install big-cursor Restarting X brings no change. The docs suggest commenting out Xcursor.theme: whiteglass in /etc/X11/xdm/Xresources, however this didn't help. Works out of the box here. All the preinst script does is divert cursor.pcf.gz in /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc, install big-cursor.pcf.gz to the same directory and run update-fonts-dir. You could check all this and the time stamps on encodings.dir and fonts.dir. Yes, the time stamps are current. Next I read the technical background[1] for the big-cursor package, and as advised, tried putting big-cursor.pcf into $HOME/fonts, and putting these lines into .xinitrc: xset +fp $HOME/fonts xset fp rehash xsetroot -cursor_name X_cursor 1. mkdir $HOME/fonts. 2. Copy big-cursor.pcf.gz from its package to $HOME/fonts. 3. mkfontdir $HOME/fonts. 4. In the ~/.xsession file all sensible Debian users have (no .xinitrc) put xset +fp $HOME/fonts I will try this next time. Do you have a reference about .xinitrc vs. .xsession? Thanks, Joel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/08112014152457.3a663351e...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141108160159.GB23726@sprite
.xinit vs. .xsession summary (was: Re: How to enable larger mouse pointers under X)
On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 04:17:21PM +, Brian wrote: On Sat 08 Nov 2014 at 06:02:00 -1000, Joel Roth wrote: Do you have a reference about .xinitrc vs. .xsession? Lots. :). Fortunately, startx(1) has now been altered to read: Note that in the Debian system, what many people traditionally put in the .xini‐ trc file should go in .xsession instead; this permits the same X environment to be presented whether startx, xdm, or xinit is used to start the X session. All discussion of the .xinitrc file in the xinit(1) manual page applies equally well to .xsession. Keep in mind that .xinitrc is used only by xinit(1) and com‐ pletely ignored by xdm(1). Thanks, that is very helpful. Now, for the first time, I'm looking through the shell scripts in /etc/X11. A lot of stuff related to input methods is here. Basically, the files in /etc/X11/Xsession.d are not used with .xinitrc. Perhaps this applies to login managers such as xdm, gdm, not startx? According to the comment in /etc/X11/Xsession, which loads the runs the scripts in /etc/X11/Xsession.d: # global Xsession file -- used by display managers and xinit (startx) And /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc: # global xinitrc file, used by all X sessions started by xinit (startx) # invoke global X session script . /etc/X11/Xsession It's not obvious to me what the initial dot '.' accomplishes. Kind regards, Joel -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141108171641.GA26637@sprite
Re: How to enable larger mouse pointers under X - SOLVED
On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 05:58:38PM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Samstag, 8. November 2014, 05:55:58 schrieb Joel Roth: On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 12:15:09PM +0300, Reco wrote: Hi. On Fri, 7 Nov 2014 22:21:27 -1000 Joel Roth jo...@pobox.com wrote: Hi list, I need larger mouse pointers. I'm running sid, using i3 and icewm as window managers. AIUI cursor images are set through X, and do not belong to the window manager. My first attempt was: % apt-get install big-cursor Restarting X brings no change. The docs suggest commenting out Xcursor.theme: whiteglass in /etc/X11/xdm/Xresources, however this didn't help. You've selected a correct package, but docs suggested you a wrong way to configure it (that recommendation applies to xdm only). Try adding 'Xcursor.theme: big-cursor' to your user's .Xresources file. Or, if you need systemwide change - to /etc/X11/Xresources/local. Hmmm. This didn't help, but I got the bright idea to modify /etc/alternatives/x-cursor-theme as follows: [Icon Theme] Inherits=big-cursor Which makes a difference! update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme shows a lot of cursor themes to choose from here. And these are stored in /etc/X11/cursors In my system, they are in /usr/share/icons. The alternative mechanism just seems for selecting one. However, it doesn't list big-cursor as an alternative. Regards, Joel Ah, its oxy-black here, thats the one I see in kdm display manager. But KDE / Plasma overrides it on login with what I set in the systemsettings module for it. -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/34525347.hbSVbBLxHa@merkaba -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141108172404.GB26637@sprite
Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream
Ric Moore wrote: Change is certainly needed when any pimple face kid can edit and hide his doings from a text log with nano. I think the change is necessary to harden up our systems. Otherwise, Microsoft will become the only secure server OS, as they don't mind hiding things at all. Yes, it is a work in progress, but I think the main goal is signed binaries that discourage the Black Hats ...at least for awhile. What is telling is that no one is talking about that. Linux does indeed run the majority of the web servers, so consider that if every major Linux Distro is working in concert for a change, there has to be compelling reasons behind it, and that we may not be privy to their reasonings for security's sake. The Net has been proven to be as secure as Swiss Cheese lately, and that makes Linux look very bad, if not half-assed. :/ Ric Hi Ric, In my opinion, giving PID 1 to a large, complicated and unproven framework constitutes the greater security risk. Compared to sysvinit, systemd presents a huge attack surface that is difficult to audit and includes ample opportunity for security holes, accidental or otherwise. Any new technology of that scale is bound to face security issues. Many people, including desktop users, would prefer not to carry the inevitable risks of being an early adopter. Also obfuscated logfiles hardly seem like a major security innovation. Is this approach described or analyzed in security literature? In any case, I think logging belongs to a different domain than system initialization. Regards, Joel -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140927003635.GA9031@sprite
Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 07:52:33AM -0700, Gregory Smith wrote: And the answer is no! Of course. The debian founding documents state that debian was created for the benefit of the user. (The premise of the whole free software movement is the rights of the user: the developers rights are clearly best served by the standard proprietary copyright regime) We are told that any vote by the user would be, in a word, disrespectful of the founding documents! We are then informed that because earlier a general resolution by some attentive debian package maintainers failed there shall never be another attempt. Of course this earlier attempt occurred before everyone decided to update to Jessie from wheezy, but that makes no difference. How convenient. The fact of the matter is that the technical committee even ruling on this matter was an illegal abuse of process. Such wide ranging changes which are not purely technical in nature Must go to a general resolution to be voted on by all of the debian package maintainers. The abuse of the technical committee, which is stacked with former or current redhat and ubuntu(canonical) employees was intentional. It came just at the time when the correct person was in the chairmanship. What has occurred in debian can be described as a coup. And the trajectory has followed the standard coup path: a beurocratic organ was used to over ride and subvert a formally democratic body, then once such was completed the decision made by a few was declared fiat complete, then harsh critics of the new regime were silenced, and the population informed that they had two choices: conform or get out. You can see the same in Egypt today. Same mechanisms. They use bullets though, rather than bans. An example in the software domain would be the process by which Microsoft got its OOXML document standard approved by the ISO technical committee. http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=20051216153153504 For those who don't know (or recall) Groklaw provided factual journalism and investigative resources, initially for the SCO vs. IBM and associated trials, where SCO claimed ownership of Linux. These cases dragged out for the better part of a decade. Microsoft was shown to have funded and backed SCO. Groklaw also accomplished a large part of the huge task of transcribing to searchable text the transcripts of the Microsoft vs. Comes trial, where many of MS's illegal practices were revealed. In a better world the Groklaw community would be here today to analyze this issue. Pamela Jones froze the site when it became clear that email traffic among her correspondents was being monitored, that the confidentiality of communications channels essential to running the site was no longer trustworthy. I would say that systemd takeover of major Linux distributions and of Debian in particular would be a perfect subject for Groklaw. Debian, in its founding documents, like the free software movement it once belonged to in fact and in spirit, was created for the users. It is not, by fiat, a doacracy. When it was created the users of debian and some of the programmers who created the upstream as it is now called were the debian packagers. Since then a new class that is neither user nor programmer has arising and stuck itself between us, all the while kicking the actually productive free software developers out of debian for social crimes. That is the story, that is what has happened. They have taken our Linux distribution from us. The Frenchman above me is one of that number. -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140925182540.GA22568@sprite
Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 05:01:03PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote: On 09/25/2014 02:25 PM, Joel Roth wrote: I would say that systemd takeover of major Linux distributions and of Debian in particular would be a perfect subject for Groklaw. How so?? Legally, Debian has the legal stance of a Club. It is not a for-profit with Corporate Responsibilities towards share holders and/or the Government, who authorizes and spells out the said protections and responsibilities of a Legally Incorporated Corporation. I was thinking in terms of journalism and analysis. Cheers -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140925212851.GA1438@sprite
Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 10:12:51PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: Then please explain to us why, with all of the negative technical aspects surrounding systemd, it looks to be the default init in Jessie. You can start by reading why I voted for systemd: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708#3661 When I read through most of these postings, I find two types of responses: technical and political. Technical responses deal with the minutae of the advantages and disadvantages of adopting systemd. Political responses are concerned with the behavior of the systemd developers, and the advisability, by adopting systemd, of giving this group power over every Debian user's operating system. Posts expressing concern about losing political control of Debian to paid-for software developers, Russ Alberry derides as subscribing to the Red Hat conspiracy theory which he labels as toxic. To me that expresses the root of the controversy. The technical committee gets its name for a role in resolving technical issues. However a decision to adopt systemd (or not) has a political dimension as well. As the Debian community, are we to repose our trust in any group who offers modest technical accomplishments? Especially when the developers have shown attitudes and behaviors incompatible with the core values of our community? Especially where the beneficiaries are developers of desktop environments and represent only a tiny fraction of the user base? Especially when the technical approach goes against the principles of decades of development. In unhealthy personal relationships there are signs that things are going badly. Here we have plenty of evidence from the systemd developers' behavior to raise questions. Many of us see it as a bare-faced power grab. That is a political conclusion and political language. I think it's incorrect to pigeonhole and reject such considerations as toxic. We have a specific term for software that is invited for one purpose and accomplishes another: a Trojan Horse. It may be appropriate to apply this term to systemd: a large, opaque system that must be swallowed whole, under the control of an unaccountable group with questionable motives. In a healthy community I would expect movers and shakers to at least acknowledge the legitimate concerns of the user base. Respectfully, Joel Roth -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140921184817.GA4905@sprite
Unable to login with skype (was Re: Faking it with skype)
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 09:51:25PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 09:04:41AM +0200, Hans wrote: I had already tried one method of doing that - using the suggested method which involved using sed - which was offered as an alternative to using a hexeditor (which option scared me), and the option using sed, did not work, and I had posted the errors that arose from tring to use the sed method. Using a hexeditor is just as easy as using any text editor. Did you try it at all? I successfully edited mine with vim :-) Now on login (after a forced logout initiated by the Skype host) the client give me the Skype can't connect message. skype -v Skype 4.3.0.37 I'm running sid. Anyone able to log in? Joel Hans -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140920075125.GA27930@sprite -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140921185654.GB4905@sprite
Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate (was Re: Issues upgrading Wheezy -- Jessie (was ... Re: brasero requires
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 06:11:53PM +0200, lee wrote: Joel Roth jo...@pobox.com writes: I think it should be possible to find or create a forum for those who are concerned about this issue. I know that I would subscribe. That would make it easier to ignore them. Wouldn't it make more sense to create a list for people interested in alternatives to systemd? I created a list, modular-deb...@freelists.org. The name suggest the direction of a Debian created of loosely coupled components, an alternative systemd's monolithic approach. You can subscribe by mailing to modular-debian-requ...@freelists.org with 'subscribe' in the subject. Today's surfing turned up these links: boycott systemd - a good starting point http://boycottsystemd.org/ uselessd - attempting a sane fork of systemd, active project http://uselessd.darknedgy.net/ mdev: an alternative to udev http://www.snafu.priv.at/interests/debian/mdev.html - 2012! http://git.busybox.net/busybox/plain/docs/mdev.txt http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/busybox/2005-December/051272.html http://wildanm.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/mdev-mini-udev-in-busybox/ Cheers, Joel Roth -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140921202947.GA14955@sprite
Re: Faking it with skype
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 09:04:41AM +0200, Hans wrote: I had already tried one method of doing that - using the suggested method which involved using sed - which was offered as an alternative to using a hexeditor (which option scared me), and the option using sed, did not work, and I had posted the errors that arose from tring to use the sed method. Using a hexeditor is just as easy as using any text editor. Did you try it at all? I successfully edited mine with vim :-) Hans -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140920075125.GA27930@sprite
Re: Jack: was Slight New Sound Problem
Steve Litt wrote: I really want to use Jack, but every time I've tried, I failed miserably and gotten no sound. Is there some special mindset you need when installing/configuring Jack, and if so, where can I find out about it? http://jackaudio.org/ http://jackaudio.org/faq/ https://github.com/jackaudio/jackaudio.github.com/wiki Also, you can try the Linux Audio Users mailing list. My understanding of Jack (and please correct me if I'm wrong), is that it's like being able to patchcord together all sorts of software sound processor boxes, in whatever configuration I want. I'd *love* to be able to do that. Yes, JACK is brilliant, mature, designed for professional audio use, lightweight, and has been ported to OSX. There are two version of jackd, the JACK routing daemon, jackd1 and jackd2. They differ slightly, but both work fine. There are a few wrinkles if you want to use Pulse Audio *and* JACK. And now a brief plug: if you want recording, playback, mixing, effects processing etc. and don't need video, the most lightweight and powerful tool is probably Ecasound. The easiest way to use Ecasound is Nama. ;-) The Debian package for Nama is out of date, but it does install from CPAN using 'cpanm Audio::Nama' or 'cpan Audio::Nama'. If you want to mix audio and MIDI, and need a kitchen sink of features, other apps (Ardour, Qtractor, Rosegarden) may be easier. Joel Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140918110957.07794...@mydesq2.domain.cxm -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140918165309.GA3770@sprite
Re: Jack: was Slight New Sound Problem
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 08:29:26PM +0200, Raffaele Morelli wrote: On 18/09/14 at 11:09am, Steve Litt wrote: I really want to use Jack, but every time I've tried, I failed miserably and gotten no sound. Is there some special mindset you need when installing/configuring Jack, and if so, where can I find out about it? Well, it's quite straightforward to use jackd and no particular trick is needed. Install jackd2 and its gui qjackctl and alsa-utils. Get rid or stop PulseAudio and start qjackctl, see what happens and report (qjackctl has a nice message log window) Getting rid of pulseaudio is the most reliable way to start. qjackctl looks nice, but I've always just started jackd manually, and used jack_lsp to show me the connections. I start jackd like this: jackd -d alsa -d hw:0,0 -r 44100 -H And you need some test program that you know outputs to the soundcard (system:playback under JACK). e.g. ecasound -i test.wav -o jack,system Keep in mind that often no sound means that alsamixer volumes are muted or at 0 level which seems to be the default. This! Use the arrow keys and 'M' key to toggle muting. Also you need to hit the 'SPACE' key to set CAPTURE for each input. Use the TAB key in alsamixer to make sure you reach all the I/O choices. My understanding of Jack (and please correct me if I'm wrong), is that it's like being able to patchcord together all sorts of software sound processor boxes, in whatever configuration I want. I'd *love* to be able to do that. Yes, jack compliant applications can be routed from/to every where. Non compliant apps can also be routed with little tweaking (eg. flashplayer, skype) Look at the JACK docs for details. # The following may be useful with pulse audio # although TBH, I never got them to work. # pactl load-module module-jack-sink channels=2; # pactl load-module module-jack-source channels=2; # pacmd set-default-sink jack_out Cheers, Joel -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140918200823.GB13194@sprite
Re: trying to remove wicd
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 01:05:00AM -0400, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: I tested dpkg -s wicd and received back the Package `wicd' is not installed error. Tried which wicd not expecting to find anything and instead was told /usr/sbin/wicd. I think you want dpkg -S /usr/sbin/wicd -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140917103141.GA2328@sprite
Creating a forum for systemd debate (was Re: Issues upgrading Wheezy -- Jessie (was ... Re: brasero requires
gvfs)) Reply-To: Joel Roth jo...@pobox.com In-Reply-To: 5416e94a.8070...@attglobal.net Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 9/15/2014 3:27 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Sunday 14 September 2014 19:42:40 Steve Litt wrote: Every time you tell one of us to keep silent, three more of us speak up. I don't know whether we're a minority, but if you and your cohorts keep shushing us, we just might be the majority pretty soon. I wasn't telling anyone to keep silent!! You are so fixated in your beliefs that you don't bother with facts any longer! I have asked you personally to keep silent because you do repeat and repeat and repeat and repeat But I haven't been successful have I? As you acknowledge, you are part of a minority. Do stop bullying the rest of us. Lisi Or, maybe there are a lot of people (like me) who have watched this discussion with interest, but remained silent. I, too, don't like the way Debian is taking things with systemd. From a device driver developer's POV, I don't see any advantages, and see a lot of disadvantages. Plus, like others, I don't like the attitude of the systemd developers. So far I've seen some good reasons why Debian should not go that way. But I've seen few technical reasons why this is a good idea. Most of the comments by supporters are along the lines of this is a good thing (with no reasons), It's going to happen so get used to it, or just plain shut up already!. I've also read all of the past discussions referenced in this and other discussions. All they have done is make me even more leery of systemd. I would love to hear some good technical reasons why this is a good idea. I find it interesting that the decision to adopt systemd as Debian's default init system was made by the technical committee, whereas some of the large issues that I think *should* influence the decision are related to the attitude and behavior of the systemd developers. I just re-reviewed the LKML thread where Linus criticizes Kay Siever's behavior, and how Lennart responds. I'm no connosieur of the argmentation styles on LKML, but the systemd guys come across as acting like they're our new bosses, and showing none of the humility and accountability I would expect. To me, the non-technical issues raise a huge red flag. I'd prefer not to surrender control of my system to someone I don't trust. For now, I'm running sysvinit and the systemd libraries are available for the few programs I'm using that need them. However, in the long term, I can see how systemd dependencies in the packaging system will gradually reduce user options to configure systems without systemd. I sympathize with those posting to the list with strong opinions and a tone of alarm. IMO, they have legitimate reasons to consider their software ecosystem to be in peril. Perhaps they would like to sway the Debian community at large, or failing that, to sway enough technically skilled people to create a fork of Debian that doesn't depend on systemd. I think it should be possible to find or create a forum for those who are concerned about this issue. I know that I would subscribe. I can also sympathize with those who don't want this list dominated by a flame war. Regards, Joel Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5416e94a.8070...@attglobal.net -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140915193354.GB18149@sprite
Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 06:08:49PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: Charlie writes: Though I'm not a programmer and really know very little about Debian [as someone once said - the lifetime learning experience] imagine the installer could present a choice of systemd or sys** whatever? The wiki could point out advantages and disadvantages of both? That is being vigorously debate on debian-devel. The technical committee ruled that Systemd should be come the default init system (though that decision could be overruled by the developers in General Resolution) but the details are still being discussed. It seems clear to me that you are not going to get silently upgraded when you do a dist-upgrade. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/08/msg00977.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/09/msg4.html -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140916013818.GA25680@sprite
packages that depend on systemd (was: Re: brasero requires gvfs)
Slavko wrote: Ahoj, Dňa Thu, 11 Sep 2014 18:45:10 +0200 Slavko li...@slavino.sk napísal: I did small investigation. The dbus seems only a half of problem, because there is the same dependency in the libpulse0 (no, i don't use pulse audio, but dependencies...) and a lot of my applications depends on it. I am afraid, that the number of packages which not necessary depends on systemd (and then depends on the init system) will be grow and i can simply end with another distro, where will need to recompile most of Debian packages without systemd support. i generated graphs of dependencies on some systemd packages on my system, they will be accessible for some time here: http://anfo.slavino.sk/libpam-systemd.png http://anfo.slavino.sk/libsystemd-daemon0.png http://anfo.slavino.sk/libsystemd-journal0.png http://anfo.slavino.sk/libsystemd-login0.png I want to see, what will be uninstalled, if i uninstall the systemd. There are taken only Depends (not the Recommends nor Suggests) dependencies and i see, that a lot of my desktop apps cannot live without it (it is horrible for me). The dependencies are based on the systemd version 204 packages and i am using the systemd-shim and SysV init system. Thank you for putting this information out in an accessible form. -- Slavko http://slavino.sk -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140911210933.GA18049@sprite
Re: Making keyboard remap changes permanent without reboot.
Alexandros Prekates wrote: My system is Debian stable with xfce. Wanting to swap CAPSLOCK with CONTROL i changed /etc/default/keyboard and following debian wiki page on keyboard i executed: sudo udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=input --action=change It worked! But .. after some minutes the swap is reverted back to the initial config withoud doing sth. How can that be avoided? If you're using xfce, you can make the keyboard changes under X using setxkbmap. For example, I use this line in .xinitrc to convert CAPS-LOCK to Ctrl and to enable killing X with ctrl-alt-backspace. setxkbmap -option ctrl:nocaps,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp Hope this helps. Alexandros Prekates http://librebytes.gr -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140910200204.22b42c9a@enous.homenet -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140910171844.GA18719@sprite
Re: OT: Strange boot behavior after upgrade on Asus chromebook (SOLVED)
On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 12:39:49AM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: This posting is slightly off-topic because the OS in question is Ubuntu, which I ended up using because the chromebook install procedure seemed better documented. (It took me a few days to get any non-chrome install to succeed.) It is possibly on-topic because * I am a debian user * it relates to upstart, which has been considered as an alternative to sysvinit * Debian users may be interested in some of the differences between debian and ubuntu. * It reports an actual user experience The PC is a $200 chromebook that I set up for my dad to use. I visit him a few couple times a year, so I try to keep the system simple and reliable as possible. After logging on I get a message something like this on the console: Hey! An upgrade is available for your LTS Trusty installation. It includes 265 security updates. run do-release-upgrade to get the goods. I'm thinking it will be simple. And security is good, right? Hah hah! tl;dr: At least it still boots. First, LTS signified to me that it is an upgrade intended to keep compatibility and stability. Boy was that wrong! Next thing that stood out, is that the progress output messages during the upgrade are different enough to suggest a lot of engineering has gone into it. Not all good, IMO. It took a few iterations for the full upgrade to be completed, probably because I'd (wisely it turns out) let a couple years lapse since the initial installation. Then lots of the usual questions during the upgrade. Do I keep the original config file or use the developer's version? Answering a lot of these questions starts to numb your brain, and trying to get through quickly, I made two mistakes: First, I accidentally consented to replacing /etc/sudoers. Duh! That was a small one. Next was saying yes to install grub-pc on /dev/sda. What was stupid about that is that the chromebook is very finicky about booting. I shouldn't have touched it at all, but was somehow afraid that if I didn't, the upgraded kernel versions might not be started. Additional stupidity was not backing up the system. I'm so used to my sid upgrades going without hiccups that I forgot that upgrades are actually akin to brain surgery in terms of the chances of something going wrong. Now the kicker: When booting, I first get some frightening message about selinux not being found. Then I get the login prompt, with no cursor, no terminal echo, and login fails. Is this due to upstart? Or grub-pc? I'm getting ready for a horrible nightmare... Then, oh beneficence! Thanks to muscle memory, I randomly type WindowsKey RightArrow (an i3 window manager key binding). Lo and behold! The screen clears and I get a fresh login prompt *with* echo (still no cursor) and login succeeds this time. I tried rebooting again, a few times, and found I always need this key combination. (I didn't investigate if other key combinations will work.) Although having to do this probably this won't bother my dad, I am ashamed of a Unix system being so arbitrary. Ubuntu also sucks for this application because my dad uses icewm, while Ubuntu includes heavy stuff like compiz and gnome. Oh well, at least my foot is still basically intact!! Thanks for the (privately mailed) responses. I discovered that while the console is corrupted on tty3 (where I ended after upstart) I can log in with no problems on tty1. WindowsKey-RightArrow was just changing me to another tty. Kind regards, Joel Cheers, Joel -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140902103948.GA970@sprite -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140903110935.GB6522@sprite
OT: Strange boot behavior after upgrade on Asus chromebook
This posting is slightly off-topic because the OS in question is Ubuntu, which I ended up using because the chromebook install procedure seemed better documented. (It took me a few days to get any non-chrome install to succeed.) It is possibly on-topic because * I am a debian user * it relates to upstart, which has been considered as an alternative to sysvinit * Debian users may be interested in some of the differences between debian and ubuntu. * It reports an actual user experience The PC is a $200 chromebook that I set up for my dad to use. I visit him a few couple times a year, so I try to keep the system simple and reliable as possible. After logging on I get a message something like this on the console: Hey! An upgrade is available for your LTS Trusty installation. It includes 265 security updates. run do-release-upgrade to get the goods. I'm thinking it will be simple. And security is good, right? Hah hah! tl;dr: At least it still boots. First, LTS signified to me that it is an upgrade intended to keep compatibility and stability. Boy was that wrong! Next thing that stood out, is that the progress output messages during the upgrade are different enough to suggest a lot of engineering has gone into it. Not all good, IMO. It took a few iterations for the full upgrade to be completed, probably because I'd (wisely it turns out) let a couple years lapse since the initial installation. Then lots of the usual questions during the upgrade. Do I keep the original config file or use the developer's version? Answering a lot of these questions starts to numb your brain, and trying to get through quickly, I made two mistakes: First, I accidentally consented to replacing /etc/sudoers. Duh! That was a small one. Next was saying yes to install grub-pc on /dev/sda. What was stupid about that is that the chromebook is very finicky about booting. I shouldn't have touched it at all, but was somehow afraid that if I didn't, the upgraded kernel versions might not be started. Additional stupidity was not backing up the system. I'm so used to my sid upgrades going without hiccups that I forgot that upgrades are actually akin to brain surgery in terms of the chances of something going wrong. Now the kicker: When booting, I first get some frightening message about selinux not being found. Then I get the login prompt, with no cursor, no terminal echo, and login fails. Is this due to upstart? Or grub-pc? I'm getting ready for a horrible nightmare... Then, oh beneficence! Thanks to muscle memory, I randomly type WindowsKey RightArrow (an i3 window manager key binding). Lo and behold! The screen clears and I get a fresh login prompt *with* echo (still no cursor) and login succeeds this time. I tried rebooting again, a few times, and found I always need this key combination. (I didn't investigate if other key combinations will work.) Although having to do this probably this won't bother my dad, I am ashamed of a Unix system being so arbitrary. Ubuntu also sucks for this application because my dad uses icewm, while Ubuntu includes heavy stuff like compiz and gnome. Oh well, at least my foot is still basically intact!! Cheers, Joel -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140902103948.GA970@sprite
Re: wicd difficulties joining some unsecured wireless networks
On Tue, Aug 05, 2014 at 04:54:42PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: Hi all, In some airports, and today at a university I've failed to join unsecured networks. I've been using wicd-gtk. The failure takes the form of a time-out during the get IP address stage. Today I found, that if I went back to wpa_gui, I could associate with the access point and then use dhclient to get an IP address. I'm mystified that wicd doesn't get that right, and a little disappointed that it is not a silver bullet for my wifi connection. Greetings, Joel I had a look at /var/log/wicd/wicd.log. 2014/08/05 09:51:29 :: Connecting to wireless network Foo-University 2014/08/05 09:51:30 :: Putting interface down 2014/08/05 09:51:30 :: Releasing DHCP leases... 2014/08/05 09:51:30 :: Setting false IP... 2014/08/05 09:51:30 :: Stopping wpa_supplicant 2014/08/05 09:51:30 :: Flushing the routing table... 2014/08/05 09:51:30 :: Putting interface up... 2014/08/05 09:51:32 :: Running DHCP with hostname sprite 2014/08/05 09:51:32 :: dhcpcd[4463]: version 6.0.5 starting 2014/08/05 09:51:32 :: 2014/08/05 09:51:32 :: dhcpcd[4466]: wlan1: starting wpa_supplicant 2014/08/05 09:51:32 :: 2014/08/05 09:51:33 :: dhcpcd[4463]: wlan1: waiting for carrier 2014/08/05 09:51:33 :: 2014/08/05 09:52:03 :: dhcpcd[4463]: timed out 2014/08/05 09:52:03 :: 2014/08/05 09:52:03 :: DHCP connection failed 2014/08/05 09:52:03 :: exiting connection thread 2014/08/05 09:52:03 :: Sending connection attempt result dhcp_failed I believe these networks expect some user interaction. For example, for the Foo-University network, I was told to use my email address as the password. However, using wicd, there is no opportunity to even enter a password. At Phoenix airport, I heard an announcement that I could use internet via Boingo hotspot. The wicd-gtk listing showed the network as unsecured. I expected to get an IP address, then, in the browser, a page asking for money before I can continue. I didn't get this, just the failure to get an IP address. The wicd.log file shows the same pattern as above. I'd appreciate any hints!! Kind regards, Joel -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140806025441.GA1546@sprite -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140806162641.GA2056@sprite
wicd difficulties joining some unsecured wireless networks
Hi all, In some airports, and today at a university I've failed to join unsecured networks. I've been using wicd-gtk. The failure takes the form of a time-out during the get IP address stage. I had a look at /var/log/wicd/wicd.log. 2014/08/05 09:51:29 :: Connecting to wireless network Foo-University 2014/08/05 09:51:30 :: Putting interface down 2014/08/05 09:51:30 :: Releasing DHCP leases... 2014/08/05 09:51:30 :: Setting false IP... 2014/08/05 09:51:30 :: Stopping wpa_supplicant 2014/08/05 09:51:30 :: Flushing the routing table... 2014/08/05 09:51:30 :: Putting interface up... 2014/08/05 09:51:32 :: Running DHCP with hostname sprite 2014/08/05 09:51:32 :: dhcpcd[4463]: version 6.0.5 starting 2014/08/05 09:51:32 :: 2014/08/05 09:51:32 :: dhcpcd[4466]: wlan1: starting wpa_supplicant 2014/08/05 09:51:32 :: 2014/08/05 09:51:33 :: dhcpcd[4463]: wlan1: waiting for carrier 2014/08/05 09:51:33 :: 2014/08/05 09:52:03 :: dhcpcd[4463]: timed out 2014/08/05 09:52:03 :: 2014/08/05 09:52:03 :: DHCP connection failed 2014/08/05 09:52:03 :: exiting connection thread 2014/08/05 09:52:03 :: Sending connection attempt result dhcp_failed I believe these networks expect some user interaction. For example, for the Foo-University network, I was told to use my email address as the password. However, using wicd, there is no opportunity to even enter a password. At Phoenix airport, I heard an announcement that I could use internet via Boingo hotspot. The wicd-gtk listing showed the network as unsecured. I expected to get an IP address, then, in the browser, a page asking for money before I can continue. I didn't get this, just the failure to get an IP address. The wicd.log file shows the same pattern as above. I'd appreciate any hints!! Kind regards, Joel -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140806025441.GA1546@sprite
Re: Sid Systemd upgrade
Jonathan Dowland wrote: You can install systemd to try it out before committing to it as your default init system. Just install 'systemd' but not 'systemd-sysv' and pass init=/bin/systemd to Linux via your boot manager. Hi all, FWIW, I just tried this with my amd64 sid system. Most things seem to work. The only obvious glitch was that my soundcard (Intel HDA) didn't produce any sound although the modules were loaded. Alsamixer usually selects Intel HDA, however under systemd, the loopback device was displayed. Maybe it was just the ordering of sound devices. It's been so long since I've troubleshooted sound that I forget to even check /proc/asound/cards. I'll look next time, and also wait a little longer for others to shake out the bugs. :-) cheers, Joel -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140721071649.GA4124@sprite
VLC limitations (was: Re: watching films full screen)
B wrote: On Tue, 8 Jul 2014 10:22:53 -1000 Joel Roth jo...@pobox.com wrote: That's interesting to me to hear you say this. Dealing with a variety of video formats, I find mpv (based on mplayer) to be much more tolerant of video formats. Most recently, I observed the VLC won't handle MTS format videos copied from a video camera, which mplayer/mpv plays back just fine. You can't judge a SW from one problem. From the beginning, code was taken from vlc, and from what I understood at this time, vlc devs were mad because there was no reference to they're work (except at the terms of GPL: copyleft retained in source code); there was also rants from player when code was flaky which did help to pace minds. Vlc (AFA the original way was preserved) is also strict on RFCs and standards (which are usually badly respected, even by their creators). From what I saw, vlc is also faster to troubleshoot. About MTS trouble, vlc doesn't claim to support it: http://www.videolan.org/vlc/features.php?cat=video a common troubleshooter is to convert it to AVI (or MOV, or whatever container supported by vlc) with avidemux (use 'copy', don't transcode). Thanks for explaining this. I had a few other experiences where VLC couldn't play media or media files (sorry to lack specifics here). What I want is a player that handles everything, and for now, mpv is working well for this. -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140709202105.GA28238@sprite
Re: watching films full screen
On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 04:06:25PM +0200, B wrote: On Tue, 8 Jul 2014 16:48:37 +0300 Rares Aioanei debian.dev.l...@gmail.com wrote: In my experience, indeed vlc has the option, but it fails to work most of the time, Sooo, you have plenty of failures you'd like to share with us! As an every day user on multiple machines and platforms, I'm dying to here from you - especially where mplayer is better (knowing that most of its base best code was taken from vlc the day it was publish…) That's interesting to me to hear you say this. Dealing with a variety of video formats, I find mpv (based on mplayer) to be much more tolerant of video formats. Most recently, I observed the VLC won't handle MTS format videos copied from a video camera, which mplayer/mpv plays back just fine. Regards, Joel -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140708202253.GA30283@sprite
Re: simple database solution without root access
Bob Proulx wrote:
kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
I have some data in text format organized as follows
field_1,field_2,field_3,...,field_9
val_1_1,val_1_2,val_1_3,...,val_1_9
val_2_1,val_2_2,val_2_3,...,val_2_9
...
val_100_1,val_100_2,val_100_3,...,val_100_9
I want to do database (sql) like operations on this data. For example,
It sounds like you what you want is what many call data munging.
Such as data munging with X where X is awk, perl, python, ruby, or
other programming language. There is even a classic book Data Munging
with Perl that specializes in such things. I tend to use awk for such
things since they can be done as a one-liner fairly easily.
awk -F, '$2==5{sum+=$8}END{printf(%d\n,sum);}' datafile
awk -F, '$2==42 $7 == 37' datafile
awk -F, '$1 ~ /PATTERN1/ $1 ~ /PATTERN2/' datafile
perl -F, -lane 'END{print $t} $t += $F[7] if $F[1] == 5'
And similar for other languages. You could even load a full CSV
module if needed.
Those are helpful examples. I'd forgotten about perl's
autosplit mode (the -a in -lane) which splits the input
lines to @F. It makes sense that the -F option is the
same in perl as for awk.
Joel
Bob
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Re: Problems installing Perl modules with CPAN on Wheezy
On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 09:14:09AM -0400, slitt wrote: On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 21:25:41 -0700 David Christensen dpchr...@holgerdanske.com wrote: On 06/27/2014 09:15 AM, Darac Marjal wrote: For the record, you might find it more useful to check if Debian has a package first, before resorting to CPAN. +1 I've destabilized Debian stable with non-Debian software, including CPAN modules. Now I am loath to install anything except via 'apt-get'. LOL, at a client's place, I was trying to customize the Perl-written Interchange web store software (don't ever use it, it's an atrocity) on circa 2003 Red Hat, and had to use CPAN for a new capability. That CPAN download broke the client's Vim and some other softwares. It took me 2 hours to undo the damage. That was the beginning of the end of my relationship with Perl. People have ended relationships for less ;-) Installing new modules in Debian as root using a CPAN client (cpan or cpanm) is rather uncertain, as modules get into /usr/local. The Debian package management system knows nothing about them, and so the system can lose its consistency. As a consequence, if your application requires perl modules that *aren't* packaged by Debian (and therefore aren't available through apt-get) it is usually better leave the system perl alone. You can install modules in your $HOME directory in two ways: * Using local::lib - in this case you change your environment so that only your user sees the new modules (system perl is not disturbed.) * Using perlbrew (which I prefer) to create one or more complete perl installations in $HOME. You can switch between them, or back to the system perl, as necessary. I wouldn't recommend mixing local::lib and perlbrew. greetings, Joel Steve Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140628091409.3b537...@mydesq2.domain.cxm -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140628202732.GA30800@sprite
Re: White screen appears with new password check under X - Solved: it was i3lock
On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 05:59:19PM +0200, B wrote: On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 11:14:09 -1000 Joel Roth jo...@pobox.com wrote: Occasionally (for example after unplugging the power and ethernet cable) I will get a completely white screen. As I type, a colored circle appears in the middle. As far as a young girl with long dark soaked hair doesn't try to get out your monitor at the same time, it stays harmless ;-) Yeah, that and the James Bond theme. :-) When this happens, make CTRL-ALT-F2 (or another Fn if you logged in in TTY2) to get a real console, type: ps auxf LOG.LOG, return to graphic (CTRL-Fn with n depending on how much real console+1 are set in inittab, usually 7) and join this log file here, so we'll see what's really going on. Nice, I learned new arguments for ps. I usually type ps ax. It was i3, specifically, i3lock. Thanks! -- * Lactor sees himself as a hermit in his cave at the edge of Tibet * Givre too, but with wifi -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140628223436.GA25171@sprite
White screen appears with new password check under X
I recently upgraded my sid system. Occasionally (for example after unplugging the power and ethernet cable) I will get a completely white screen. As I type, a colored circle appears in the middle. It is checking for my user password. I am not using xdm and friends, just startx. Can someone tell me what software is responsible for this? TIA Joel Roth -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140627211409.GA5504@sprite
VLC not finding codecs, but mplayer does
Hi list, I have a bunch of codecs installed in /usr/lib/win32. Mplayer plays just about everything, but not VLC, so I'm wondering if VLC is expecting them to be somewhere else. Or does VLC have to be recompiled for this? Any ideas? Thanks, Joel Roth -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140609221204.GA22086@sprite
Which file to initialize X? (was Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro)
Brian wrote: On Wed 04 Jun 2014 at 23:56:37 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: Brian wrote: Those who use startx etc have some expectation of being provided with uncomplicated correct information. The 'startx' is basically the simple way to start X and to use the system supplied defaults. Which is a good way to get things going for the new person who doesn't know what they want or who are happy with the defaults. It isn't required though and after making a few customizations I find it easier to just use 'xinit' directly and my own full .xinitrc file with only my own choices made there. (shrug) Being told to use ~/.Xdefaults isn't in that category. The sooner any mention of it or .xinitrc in Debian is stamped out the better. I think use of .Xdefaults isn't as good as .Xresources. But there isn't anything wrong with .xinitrc. What is your complaint about it? In spite of my hyperbole it isn't .xinitrc in itself which is the cause of my discontent but its being presented as being equivalent to .xsession. It may or may not matter that the /etc/X11/Xsession.d files in are not used, but not appreciating that this could lead to a misconfigured or partially working system is one consequence of following advice which often does not apply to a Debian system. The Debian Reference gets it right and manages to do so without any mention of .xinitrc. I would be interested in having a summary. For my purposes, I use startx, and 'man startx' tells me to put my initializations in .xinitrc, and does not refer to any other init files. I used to have an .xsession file, which eventually stopped working. 'man xsession' gives some other, more complicated advice. I guess it's time to start reading about this. :^) Regards, Joel -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140606212441.GA28723@sprite
Re: Pitivi or Openshot require removing cups !?
Thierry de Coulon wrote: I wanted to take a look at Pitivi and Openshot, but both installation require removing *lots* of important things like cups and gimp ?!? I run wheezy, with some backports (required by my motherboard) and a newer version of glibc (to run Master PDF Editor). I can live without these two programs, but I don't understand why installing them needs removing cups, for example. FWIW, I have both pitivi and cups under sid. Thierry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201405242330.44761.tcou...@decoulon.ch -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140525082505.GA22645@sprite
No device assignment for Seagate external USB drive SRD00F1
Hi List, I had the misfortune to pick up two of these drives, plug them in, and find the results below: Any hints before I take them back? Regards, Joel -- dmesg | tail [140436.456884] usb 2-1.1: USB disconnect, device number 3 [140440.673831] usb 2-1.1: new high-speed USB device number 6 using ehci_hcd [140440.769416] usb 2-1.1: New USB device found, idVendor=0bc2, idProduct=ab21 [140440.769422] usb 2-1.1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 [140440.769426] usb 2-1.1: Product: Backup+ RD [140440.769430] usb 2-1.1: Manufacturer: Seagate [140440.769433] usb 2-1.1: SerialNumber: NA76J1CA [140440.782588] scsi12 : uas [140462.231528] scsi 12:0:0:0: uas_eh_abort_handler tag -1 [140462.231537] scsi 12:0:0:0: uas_eh_device_reset_handler tag -1 [140462.231542] scsi 12:0:0:0: uas_eh_target_reset_handler tag -1 [140462.231546] scsi 12:0:0:0: uas_eh_bus_reset_handler tag -1 [140462.235649] usb 2-1.1: URB BAD STATUS -71 [140462.303602] usb 2-1.1: reset high-speed USB device number 6 using ehci_hcd [140462.410418] scsi 12:0:0:0: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery lsusb Bus 002 Device 006: ID 0bc2:ab21 Seagate RSS LLC Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0020 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 001 Device 003: ID 17ef:480f Lenovo Integrated Webcam [R5U877] Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0020 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub The kernel is 3.2.0-3-amd64 (Debian 3.2.21-3) -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140324163756.GA13759@sprite
Re: No device assignment for Seagate external USB drive SRD00F1
John D. Hendrickson and Sara Darnell wrote: Joel Roth wrote: Hi List, I had the misfortune to pick up two of these drives, plug them in, and find the results below: Any hints before I take them back? Regards, Joel -- dmesg | tail [140436.456884] usb 2-1.1: USB disconnect, device number 3 [140440.673831] usb 2-1.1: new high-speed USB device number 6 using ehci_hcd [140440.769416] usb 2-1.1: New USB device found, idVendor=0bc2, idProduct=ab21 [140440.769422] usb 2-1.1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 [140440.769426] usb 2-1.1: Product: Backup+ RD [140440.769430] usb 2-1.1: Manufacturer: Seagate [140440.769433] usb 2-1.1: SerialNumber: NA76J1CA [140440.782588] scsi12 : uas [140462.231528] scsi 12:0:0:0: uas_eh_abort_handler tag -1 [140462.231537] scsi 12:0:0:0: uas_eh_device_reset_handler tag -1 [140462.231542] scsi 12:0:0:0: uas_eh_target_reset_handler tag -1 [140462.231546] scsi 12:0:0:0: uas_eh_bus_reset_handler tag -1 [140462.235649] usb 2-1.1: URB BAD STATUS -71 [140462.303602] usb 2-1.1: reset high-speed USB device number 6 using ehci_hcd [140462.410418] scsi 12:0:0:0: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery lsusb Bus 002 Device 006: ID 0bc2:ab21 Seagate RSS LLC Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0020 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 001 Device 003: ID 17ef:480f Lenovo Integrated Webcam [R5U877] Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0020 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub The kernel is 3.2.0-3-amd64 (Debian 3.2.21-3) yes there are different USB hub chips. make sure your using the right one. UCI? UHCI? your usb connector must lead to a usb hub chip that likes the usb chip in your drive. and you have to tell linux which kind of usb chip to guess it is. if you are within 30 days of purchase return it say it's broken or call seagate for an RMA . don't assume it works and debian is broken it may be the other way around or even a wrong cable or soemthing this is an old /etc/modules # USB (for ) (for via KT?33A chipsets) usbcore # ehci-hcd # ??? # ohci-hcd # cheap kind # uhci-hcd # intel kind use this uhci-hcd usbhid #usbkeybd usbmouse usb-storage #usblp Thanks for the quick response. I didn't go further, returned them to the shop. Greetings, -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140324173114.GA20469@sprite
Re: X key bindings don't work on new system
Carl Johnson wrote: Joel Roth jo...@pobox.com writes: my xmodmap commands for remapping the CAPS key to behave as CTRL (in .xinitrc) work in my usual system, but have no effect on this newly installed system. Both systems are running an up-to-date sid, and I've copied over my .bashrc. Any ideas where I should be looking? # .xinitrc # #!/bin/sh # remap CAPSLOCK to be CTRL rxvt -e screen -D -r xmodmap -e 'keycode 66 = Control_L' xmodmap -e 'clear Lock' xmodmap -e 'add Control = Control_L' xset b off# this suppresses beep setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp # this works, too exec /usr/bin/i3 I handle the control with this command: setxkbmap -option ctrl:nocaps You should be able to combine it with your other as: setxkbmap -option ctrl:nocaps,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp Thanks Carl, Andrei, Siard and Morel, The above incantation from Carl works fine on my usual system. I wasn't able to test the Epia system. Since posting, the hardware has gone south :-( There is a long beep series at power on. A pair of bulging, leaking electrolytic capacitors on the board suggests the reason.) To summarize the other replies: Morel suggested studying .bashrc and checking the scan codes of the keyboard with xev. I had used something else (I forget), and found that Caps key works fine (on two different keyboards.) Siard notes that the setxkbmap command undoes all xmodmap settings, and should therefore be placed before them. I didn't verify this, since the setxkbmap commands replace the xmodmap commands I'd been using. Andrei pointed to 'man xkeyboard-config' as the source for options such as ctrl:nocaps terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp Thanks to all for your generous help! -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140307182218.GB22760@sprite
X key bindings don't work on new system
Hi list, I've dusted off an old, fanless computer with an Epia (Via) main board, and installed sid. One thing I notice is that my xmodmap commands for remapping the CAPS key to behave as CTRL (in .xinitrc) work in my usual system, but have no effect on this newly installed system. Both systems are running an up-to-date sid, and I've copied over my .bashrc. Any ideas where I should be looking? # .xinitrc # #!/bin/sh # remap CAPSLOCK to be CTRL rxvt -e screen -D -r xmodmap -e 'keycode 66 = Control_L' xmodmap -e 'clear Lock' xmodmap -e 'add Control = Control_L' xset b off# this suppresses beep setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp # this works, too exec /usr/bin/i3 kind regards, Joel -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140306223402.GA10909@sprite
Chrome grabs focus from terminal window
Hi List, I'm running sid with i3 as window manager. With Google chrome running, every few minutes, the focus jumps to chrome. Too bad, as chrome has been excellent in other ways. Is that a bug or the future? -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131219112443.GA30838@sprite
Re: Chrome grabs focus from terminal window
Bob Proulx wrote: Joel Roth wrote: I'm running sid with i3 as window manager. With Google chrome running, every few minutes, the focus jumps to chrome. Is it really chrome or really chromium? Got it! I was inadvertently activating the Windows-key semicolon combination which is a key binding of i3. Thanks Too bad, as chrome has been excellent in other ways. Are you running an extension that might be popping up a window or otherwise interacting with the window manager every few minutes? Try running chrome without any extensions to verify that it is bare chrome and not an extension. Is it really something in i3? Try running a different window manager for testing and see if the problem follows chrome or follows the window manager. Is that a bug or the future? I am using awesome (another tiling window manager) with chromium and I do not see the behavior you are seeing. Bob -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131220062519.GA28003@sprite
Re: Read clipboard?
Antispammbox-debian wrote: Hi all On my Squeeze using parcellite clipboard manager. Do know if it is possible, through a bash program, or compiled with gcc/mingw-linux, read the contents of the clipboard? I use xsel. Regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/334AAB30881E4BA99C63BD4849A5DEC6@CentrinoDuo -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131125024422.GA27070@sprite
Re: sluggish iceweasel
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 02:16:26PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 09:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote: Hello Stephen, I have been using the iceweasel web browser for years; but in the past several weeks using an up-to-date jessie system, iceweasel has become very sluggish. No problems here, Stephen. Although, sometimes, flash can slow things a good deal but quitting and restarting Iceweasel cures that. `killall plugin-container` is often enough -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131030081420.GA6981@sprite
Re: sluggish iceweasel
Brad Rogers wrote: Joel Roth jo...@pobox.com wrote: Hello Joel, `killall plugin-container` is often enough Great tip, thanks. I'll try it out next time flash drags. FWIW, this was revealed to me by running top. -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131030132345.GA9959@sprite
Re: OpenShot python-mlt package dependency problem - RETRACTED
Joel Roth wrote: Hi all, I'm using sid, to get the latest and greatest at the cost of some expected pains. I need to do some basic video editing. My first choice is openshot, advertised as easy to use. I found that pitivi installs readily, has good docs. I'll start here. Of course I'm interested to learn about Debian packaging esoterica, but this is not urgent. Thanks Joel -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131006073452.GB21136@sprite
Re: sid dist-upgrade will remove Xorg and hold back replacement
On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 10:21:04AM +0530, Kailash wrote: On Sunday 06 October 2013 10:01 AM, Joel Roth wrote: xserver-xorg-video-apm xserver-xorg-video-ark xserver-xorg-video-chips xserver-xorg-video-i128 xserver-xorg-video-i740 xserver-xorg-video-rendition xserver-xorg-video-s3 xserver-xorg-video-s3virge xserver-xorg-video-sis xserver-xorg-video-tseng xserver-xorg-video-voodoo Hi Joel, Atleast in the case of libboost the version will be upgraded from your present 1.49 to 1.54 Re the xorg packages, they all appear to be video drivers which are going to be removed. Hi Kailash, Thanks for the confirmation. X works after the upgrade/dist-upgrade, and my foot is still firmly in place, in relatively pristine condition. :-) As often happens, I'd fallen behind on upgrading lately, and had some catching up to do. Cheers, Joel HTH, Kailash -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5250ec38.6020...@gmail.com -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131006070707.GA21136@sprite
Re: sid dist-upgrade will remove Xorg and hold back replacement
Joe wrote: Joel Roth jo...@pobox.com wrote: As often happens, I'd fallen behind on upgrading lately, and had some catching up to do. I have three sids, one of which is upgraded almost daily, the others in half-gigabyte chunks and with a certain amount of hope. It *is* sid, after all. Having more than one system partition sounds like an excellent way to avoid the foot-gun. -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131006090839.GA8673@sprite
OpenShot python-mlt package dependency problem
Hi all, I'm using sid, to get the latest and greatest at the cost of some expected pains. I need to do some basic video editing. My first choice is openshot, advertised as easy to use. However it depends on python-mlt5, which apt-get says is replaced by python-mlt or python-mlt:i386. Python-mlt installs properly. python-mlt:i386 has a chain of dependencies that apt-get says will not be installed. libmlt6:i386 libavcodec54:i386 (= 6:9.1-1) libavcodec-extra-54:i386 (= 6:9.8) libavdevice53:i386 (= 6:9.1-1) libavformat54:i386 (= 6:9.1-1) libkdecore5:i386 (= 4:4.3.4) libquicktime2:i386 (= 2:1.2.2) Is anyone aware of a good way to go forward with this, or should I find another editor until the openshot package gets updated? In the latter case, I am new to video editing, and any recommendations would be welcome. Thanks for your help. Joel -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131006035911.GA2031@sprite
sid dist-upgrade will remove Xorg and hold back replacement
-headless devscripts dmsetup dnsutils gir1.2-cogl-1.0 gir1.2-coglpango-1.0 gvfs gvfs-daemons gvfs-libs iceweasel krb5-multidev libatasmart4 libav-tools libboost-date-time-dev libboost-dev libboost-filesystem-dev libboost-graph-dev libboost-iostreams-dev libboost-program-options-dev libboost-python-dev libboost-regex-dev libboost-serialization-dev libboost-signals-dev libboost-test-dev libboost-thread-dev libboost-wave-dev libck-connector0 libconfig-gitlike-perl libdevmapper1.02.1 libegl1-mesa libegl1-mesa-dev libegl1-mesa-drivers libeval-closure-perl libgbm1 libghc-citeproc-hs-data libgl1-mesa-dev libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 libglapi-mesa libglapi-mesa:i386 libgphoto2-port0 libgphoto2-port0:i386 libgssapi-krb5-2 libgssrpc4 libgudev-1.0-0 libhttp-server-simple-psgi-perl libicu-dev libicu48 libjavascriptcoregtk-1.0-0 libk5crypto3 libkadm5clnt-mit8 libkadm5srv-mit8 libkrb5-3 libkrb5-dev libkrb5support0 liblog-dispatch-perl liblvm2app2.2 libpam-ck-connector libplack-perl libregexp-grammars-perl libreoffice libreoffice-base libreoffice-base-core libreoffice-calc libreoffice-common libreoffice-core libreoffice-draw libreoffice-impress libreoffice-math libreoffice-officebean libreoffice-report-builder-bin libreoffice-style-crystal libreoffice-style-galaxy libreoffice-style-tango libreoffice-writer librpm3 libsdl-image1.2 libterm-ui-perl libusb-1.0-0 libv8-dev libwebkitgtk-1.0-0 liferea-data mesa-common-dev mr node-minimatch node-request nodejs pandoc python-uno python3 python3-apt python3-minimal qemu-system-arm qemu-system-mips qemu-system-misc qemu-system-ppc qemu-system-sparc qemu-system-x86 qpdf rpm rpm-common rpm2cpio texlive-fonts-extra udev udisks uno-libs3 ure usbmuxd vlc vlc-nox vlc-plugin-notify vlc-plugin-pulse wget x2goclient xserver-xorg-dev xul-ext-sage 126 upgraded, 152 newly installed, 32 to remove and 27 not upgraded. Need to get 415 MB/428 MB of archives. After this operation, 294 MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n Abort. .-.-.-.-. -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131006043150.GA13729@sprite
Re: Printer brand recommendations
On Mon, Sep 09, 2013 at 11:56:23PM -0700, Ross Boylan wrote: Short version: Brother doesn't support linux. I'm considering Lexmark. I too am looking for a B+W laser printer. I just got a Brother HL 5450 to replace a 5150 I had. It fails to print some pages, and I'm sending it back because Brother says they do not provide phone support for Linux. They used to have an email address for linux, but a query there produced no answer. It's supposed to be postscript compatible; since there are issues I wonder if that's in software rather than hardware. I've had good results with Brother BW laser printers, and many linux distributions use the same CUPS software that Apple uses under OSX to manage printing (and released under a sufficiently free license for Debian). It's generally true that you don't get much vendor support for Linux, hence the need to learn a little about the subject and to haunt (or at least google) the relevant mailing lists. Greeetings, Joel I'm considering Lexmark now; I used to have one of their printers and the quality of their support impressed me. I switched because I was hoping to need less support! They seem to support linux, as well as many other OS's. I got an HP inkjet that I never was able to get to work, despite talking to tech support. It was a network printer than seemed to bring its network interface down when it slipped and it wouldn't come back up without a power cycle. Perhaps I'm overgeneralizing, but it soured me on HP. Maybe I'll try a color laser, though Consumer Reports says they don't have good print quality for photos. -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130911061832.GB5375@sprite
Re: Changing pointer size in icewm
Onur Aslan wrote: You can try to install a bigger theme. There is some themes in kde-loo.org[1]. I am using Large Mouse Cursors[2] in my mothers computer. Just exract your mouse theme into ~/.icons and create a symbolic link named default pointing to your theme in this directory. [1]: http://kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=36 [2]: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Large+Mouse+Cursors?content=140787 Is this KDE specific? I don't have KDE installed. On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 05:33:47 -1000, Joel Roth wrote: Hi Everyone, I want the make the pointers bigger under icewm. I tried using imagemagick's convert command to enlarge all the pointers in the current theme, e.g. ~/.icewm/themes/icedesert and in the /usr/share/icewm/themes/icedesert directory, but see no change, even after restarting X. Any ideas what to try next? Regards, Joel -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130903153347.GA6111@sprite -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130904151312.ga12...@ev.onur.im -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130909230944.GA4764@sprite
Re: Changing pointer size in icewm - SOLVED
Joel Roth wrote: I want the make the pointers bigger under icewm. apt-get install big-cursor I tried using imagemagick's convert command to enlarge all the pointers in the current theme, e.g. ~/.icewm/themes/icedesert and in the /usr/share/icewm/themes/icedesert directory, but see no change, even after restarting X. Any ideas what to try next? Regards, Joel -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130903153347.GA6111@sprite -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130910055809.GA11596@sprite
Changing pointer size in icewm
Hi Everyone, I want the make the pointers bigger under icewm. I tried using imagemagick's convert command to enlarge all the pointers in the current theme, e.g. ~/.icewm/themes/icedesert and in the /usr/share/icewm/themes/icedesert directory, but see no change, even after restarting X. Any ideas what to try next? Regards, Joel -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130903153347.GA6111@sprite
Re: open office install fails
Jeff Shearer wrote: Good morning, I am using Debian 7.? I upgraded from 6 recently.? My attempt to install the open office productivity suite seems to have failed.? While synaptic indicates it is installed, I cannot find it on the reall bad new GUI.? Also, I noted that none of the applications like writer indicate they are installed.? Do I need to install each of them manually? Can you start openoffice.org from the command line? Thanks. ? ? ? -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2013061144.GA3495@sprite
Re: How can I use Jack instead of Pulse
Kailash wrote: Hi All, I'm experimenting with sound settings on my debian box: 7.0 stable Using main non-free and contrib repositories. I've currently got PulseAudio running and several apps which use Gstreamer for audio. I'd like to use Jack instead. I've tried some searches to find a Gstreamer Jack plugin, but haven't found any. Any help here would be appreciated. The output of Gstreamer can be directed to PulseAudio. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio#GStreamer The output of PulseAudio can be directed to Jack. http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/WalkThrough/User/PulseOnJack And here is a more general reference about using PulseAudio with Jack. http://jackaudio.org/pulseaudio_and_jack Greetings, Joel Thanks, Kailash -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51b2d7bb.2020...@gmail.com -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130608202546.GA31193@sprite
Using qemu to boot Fedora x86_64 iso
Hi list, This is borderling off-topic: I'm using qemu under Debian to try to run the latest Fedora 64-bit .iso. qemu-system-x86_64 --enable-kvm -cdrom Fedora-18-x86_64-Live-Desktop.iso -m 512 linux.img Fedora boots, the spinner-pointer runs, and eventually the system hangs showing a monitor logo and the message Please ask the administrator for assistance. I'd like to do some testing in a virtual machine. Wonder if anyone has suggestions to get a better result. Regards, -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130513221701.GA30967@sprite
Re: Using qemu to boot Fedora x86_64 iso
Steve McIntyre wrote: Joel Roth wrote: Hi list, This is borderling off-topic: I'm using qemu under Debian to try to run the latest Fedora 64-bit .iso. qemu-system-x86_64 --enable-kvm -cdrom Fedora-18-x86_64-Live-Desktop.iso -m 512 linux.img Fedora boots, the spinner-pointer runs, and eventually the system hangs showing a monitor logo and the message Please ask the administrator for assistance. I'd like to do some testing in a virtual machine. Wonder if anyone has suggestions to get a better result. I've had a similar problem recently when trying to run the Fedora live image. It helped a lot more when I gave the system more memory - 512M is very small for a graphical desktop these days. You'll still be stuck with fallback mode though, I guess. Thanks. Single-user mode helped. More memory helped. And now I'm able to do some testing... Thanks also to Ralf Maldorf and Patrick Bartek, for your suggestions. Kind regards, -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130514020349.GA32385@sprite
Re: administration of initscripts
Roger Leigh wrote: Getting rid of all the /etc/default disable options will be a release goal for jessie. Good. I'd prefer to be rid of /etc/default entirely! For example, I just learned about /etc/default/keyboard. Why not /etc/keyboard or /etc/keyboard.default? Having a central location for software configuration used to be a feature. At the very least, whenever there is /etc/default/something, /etc/something should have a comment # see /etc/default/something for additional configuration options -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130417135255.GA10320@sprite
Re: administration of initscripts
Bob Proulx wrote: Joel Roth wrote: Roger Leigh wrote: Getting rid of all the /etc/default disable options will be a release goal for jessie. Good. I'd prefer to be rid of /etc/default entirely! So you would rather that people edit the /ec/init.d/* scripts themselves and manage them as conffiles at upgrade time and merge them all at upgrade time? Because AFAIK that is the advantage that /etc/default/* brings. It allows a very small declarative file to modify the behavior of the /etc/init.d/* imperative progamming. Thanks. That at least answers the question of why they're there. Basically anything that happens at boot time operates through the init scripts. If the init scripts offer a declarative way to configure themselves then allow those variables to be in /etc/default/*. The merging of the default files upon upgrade is much easier than the merging of the init scripts upon upgrade. Using /etc/default is very simple and straight forward. For example, I just learned about /etc/default/keyboard. Why not /etc/keyboard or /etc/keyboard.default? Having a central location for software configuration used to be a feature. There are 2409 files in my /etc directory. You want them all flat at the top level directory? Please, no thank you. I will happily take a little bit of organization and put files in subdirectories. At one time the /etc directory used to be a very large flat directory as you are wanting. It had thousands of files in it. It was quite difficult to keep track of files there. Moving files into subdirectories is a very useful organization. At the very least, whenever there is /etc/default/something, /etc/something should have a comment # see /etc/default/something for additional configuration options Please no. Thousands and thousands of files. And all duplicates of files elsewhere. There would be many people who would be confused by the extra noise and adding configuration in the wrong file. And subsequent bug reports asking to remove those files. As an extra line to existing config files, it would seem sensible, but then, as you say, /etc/ is now hierarchical, so which file would you add the comment to becomes an intractable question. Obviously, some other people have thought more deeply about this than myself. :-) I suppose the answer is that there is no shortcut to administering a system than learning the details. (Well, except the user-friendly cocoonlike existence that is the default experience under Windows and OSX.) Joel Bob -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130417174441.GA11675@sprite
Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE
Ralf Mardorf wrote: Joel Roth wrote: Dirk wrote: http://i.imgur.com/6Oja0bm.png https://boards.4chan.org/g/res/32881623 I wondered about this. Looking at one example: D-Bus, with which I was minimally acquainted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-Bus D-Bus has replaced Bonobo (originated by the Gnome project) and DCOP (originated by the KDE project). It seems to have technical merits. Clearly the effort is a troll, created by a kid (or childish adult) with nothing better to do. dbus often is a PITA! But we should talk about dbus and other issues, not start witch-hunting. Do you have experience with dbus's predecessors, such as CORBA? -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130409172123.GA15666@sprite
Re: Tiling window manager based desktop environment (was: Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE)
Anthony Campbell wrote: Status bar: in spectrwm you can optionally have no frame at all in fullscreen when you turn off the status bar. An absolutely minimal screen. That is the default in Stumpwm. The behavior is similiar to and inspired by GNU screen. -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130409173201.GA15916@sprite
Re: dbus - Was: A thread that shouldn't be mentioned anymore
Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 19:29 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 07:21 -1000, Joel Roth wrote: Ralf Mardorf wrote: dbus often is a PITA! Do you have experience with dbus's predecessors, such as CORBA? No. I guess a predecessor won't help, if applications depend on dbus, such as jackd/jackdmp. I'm aware that I can use jackdmp without dbus, since I'm already doing this and I read that others are able to handle this dbus issue even when they run jack with dbus for sessions without X, IIUC. Oops, perhaps you mean that they were less good :D. I confused it with the word successor and noticed it after I sent the mail. Perhaps D-Bus is not good, but maybe it is less bad? I'll go on the record in favor of configurability: good to be able to opt out if you don't need it. ( /me doesn't know if he needs it or not. ) -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130409180409.GA16123@sprite
Re: dbus
Ralf Mardorf wrote: DBus isn't an issue for applications you'll use with a desktop environment, when those apps should communicate with each other, but it could become an issue, if apps should run on other setups (too) and it's an issue if simple commands that worked before, then won't work anymore, the user has to read tons of explanations and to do complicated things. Clueless users run into issues with jackd(mp), since they were not aware that they can use jackd without DBus, resp. they perhaps were not aware that it does run with DBus on their machines. I see that while the jackd1 package doesn't require DBus, jackd2 does. -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130409192647.GA17280@sprite
Re: dbus - Was: A thread that shouldn't be mentioned anymore
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 09:20:15PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: OT regarding to dbus: I wrote: For other stuff package maintainers have to do a hard job, somebody seemingly does extract udev from systemd for Debian. I'm on a distro that follows upstream and there were many issues when they switched to systemd. According to the announcement at the time, udev is designed to build separately, without systemd for use under conditions (such as initrd) where systemd is not available. https://lwn.net/Articles/490413/ http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=udev Perhaps nobody needs to do a hard job until now. I'm not aware when they merged udev and systemd, but all Debian versions of udev are completely outdated. Latest version of udev for Debian is 175-7.1. Arch Linux: $ pacman -Q systemd systemd 200-1 -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130409193241.GB17280@sprite
Tiling window manager based desktop environment (was: Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE)
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Now, I am not using a DE anymore, and also planning about creating a DE based on a tiling WM and minimalistic tools that you can use in keyboard only. There are a lot of tiling WMs to choose from: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Comparison_of_Tiling_Window_Managers I've been using StumpWM in the default configuration and mostly happy with it. I'd like to know what you're planning to add! Cheers, -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130408225824.GA26373@sprite
Re: keyboard shortcuts
Robert Holtzman wrote: Running 6.0.7 with all updates. Opening a terminal is set to Ctrl+A. This has worked flawlessly for months. As of yesterday, Ctrl+A highlights all of the file icons on the desktop but fails to bring up the terminal. Rebooting restores the functiononce. Thereafter it revert to only highlighting the desktop icons. Your choice of window manager might be relevant. /var/log/messages gives 620.483505] thinkpad_acpi: unhandled HKEY event 0x6040 Apr 8 13:04:08 localhost kernel: [ 620.483507] thinkpad_acpi: please report the conditions when this event happened to ibm-acpi-de...@lists.sourceforge.net Reporting it is fine but it gives no clue as to how to attack the problem. Any pointers greatly appreciated. -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130408230034.GB26373@sprite
Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE
On Mon, Apr 08, 2013 at 04:49:40AM +, Dirk wrote: http://i.imgur.com/6Oja0bm.png https://boards.4chan.org/g/res/32881623 I wondered about this. Looking at one example: D-Bus, with which I was minimally acquainted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-Bus D-Bus has replaced Bonobo (originated by the Gnome project) and DCOP (originated by the KDE project). It seems to have technical merits. Clearly the effort is a troll, created by a kid (or childish adult) with nothing better to do. -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130409030713.GA30089@sprite
Re: Tiling window manager based desktop environment (was: Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE)
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 09.04.2013 00:58, Joel Roth a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Now, I am not using a DE anymore, and also planning about creating a DE based on a tiling WM and minimalistic tools that you can use in keyboard only. There are a lot of tiling WMs to choose from: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Comparison_of_Tiling_Window_Managers I've been using StumpWM in the default configuration and mostly happy with it. I'd like to know what you're planning to add! Cheers, Ah, a more serious post :) (honestly, I've taken some great fun to write the one I just sent in reply to Ralf, but at my discharge (is it the right word?) I was more than 3 hours late at home because of problems on train... apologies, guys, for the out-of-thread and probably sad humor :)) Yes, there are many tiling window manager. On my side, I am using I3 for various reasons (the most important one is good default config and that it's easy to change). But a window manager is *not* a full desktop environment, and will never be while we will have no basic tools not duplicating their job: * file managers have tabs (even stacking: what do you think are taskbar?) * terminal emulators also * text editors (like vim) often implement their own WM * browsers (firefox, chromium) have WM or at least tabs * ... Another problem which forbid us to call a TWM a DE is that they have no centralized configuration center able to manage the tools which are, in my opinion, the basic tools we use everyday: text editor, file manager, file viewer, web browser... So we have disparate collections of tools implementing the same features (window managers, scripting system to simulate a DE -vim is able to be configured as an IDE, as example-) and with no easy possibility of synchronized configuration. What would I want to add? Replacement for bloatwares like vim (yes, I guess that it is quite uncommon to see someone write something like that, but if one disagree, just explain me why it re implements a window management mechanism, a copy/paste mechanism and other stuff which are made by other tools like, for example, screen, and which makes it hard to use correctly in a X server? For me, a bloatware is a tool which does things which should be managed by other specialized tools.) or i3 (the bar it have at bottom should not be managed explicitly, but by another software, am I wrong?) and a tool to synchronize configurations (I would like that my system understand that when I am CTRL+T I want a new instance of the application which have the focus in a new tab or in a split container, according to my choice, choice which should be managed by the tiling window manager). Do you know what is most funny in my (voluntarily stronger than needed) words? It is that I am currently using vim and i3, and that when I speak about them, I am saying that they are good softwares. I am not lying, but simply thinking 'in the current choice' and 'you will not find their problems in 2 days'. I am not a vim expert, nor an i3 hacker. I respect those projects (yes, really, despite my previous words) for a part of their spirit, but I think they can be fairly improved, and that a tiling DE could show enhancement they could receive. To understand my words, I think it is important that I explain what I wanted when I switched to a TWM: * resource efficiency (which I find for i3, but not vim or uzbl, for example. It includes screen's space.) * easiness of configuration (partially found for i3 -but, it lacks already made tools to replace status bar- , again, but not i3 or uzbl) Also, I've said that people often speak, rarely act (if I did not, I do so now). I am as most people, never acting, but I started more or less recently to implement a text editor which could follow the same model than mpd, since it is the most impressive tool I have used: easy to configure, does only it's job (even the presentation is left to another one), lightweight I simply have not still announced it, because well, I'm a little ashamed of the reasons: * I have no correct financial situation, and simply releasing such a tool as free/libre will obviously - at least in my opinion - only maybe give me a potential recognition and no way to eat. Licensing could potentially give me that possibility really sad thought... * it is not usable in it's current state * giving the ideas I have for it (not about the features it should not have, but about features it should have) could burn me by people more efficient than me (and you are legion, since it's not an easy task for me) When (it will be ready, and when) I will have made it good enough, I plan to sabotage the i3 project, to take a look at it and decouple the window management system from the bottom toolbar, for the sake of the text editor I will have made, then write a tool to synchronize both
Re: ffmpeg/avconv doesn't recognize -strict experimental (reposted as top-level thread)
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 08:55:16AM +0100, Jochen Spieker wrote: Joel Roth: Dear List, ffmpeg/avconv aborts even with -strict experimental when input file audio is encoded with AAC. Does the audio *have* to be decoded? I was thinking there might be some kind of pass-through option. Yes, you can try '-acodec copy'. Now that you tell me, I see it on the man page (which by the way, would print out as some 180 pages.) Thanks! J. -- All participation is a myth. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130315083536.GA13976@sprite
Firefox is too eager
Hi list, There are some recent behaviors that I find invasive: When I open a link in a new tab, I often get a new window as well, frequently to the same site, that I have to close. Some are windows from news sites, asking me to subscribe. When I roll over a link, it often pops up a window, small or large, that I have to close. I feel I am not in control (sort a Windows/Mac thing where the behavior is what the developer wants to give me) not what I specifically ask for. What are my alternatives to get a more user-driven experience? Is this all coming from Javascript? Is there a general way to solve the issue, or do I need to research specific add-ons for popups, rollovers, etc., etc. I already use and like links2 for some purposes. Thanks, Joel -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130314184345.GA12134@sprite
ffmpeg/avconv doesn't recognize -strict experimental
Dear List, ffmpeg/avconv aborts even with -strict experimental when input file audio is encoded with AAC. Does the audio *have* to be decoded? I was thinking there might be some kind of pass-through option. The behavior of ffmpeg and avconv appears to be identical. $ avconv -acodec aac -strict experimental -i S3 D5 Irene.mov -b 500k S3 D5 Irene.m4v avconv version 0.8.5-6:0.8.5-1, Copyright (c) 2000-2012 the Libav developers built on Jan 13 2013 12:05:48 with gcc 4.7.2 Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from 'S3 D5 Irene.mov': Metadata: major_brand : qt minor_version : 537199360 compatible_brands: qt creation_time : 2012-06-22 13:23:05 Duration: 00:23:33.81, start: 0.00, bitrate: 614 kb/s Stream #0.0(eng): Video: h264 (Main), yuv420p, 640x480, 478 kb/s, 29.97 fps, 29.97 tbr, 2997 tbn, 5994 tbc Metadata: creation_time : 2012-06-22 13:23:05 Stream #0.1(eng): Audio: aac, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 130 kb/s Metadata: creation_time : 2012-06-22 13:23:06 File 'S3 D5 Irene.m4v' already exists. Overwrite ? [y/N] y [buffer @ 0x147c540] w:640 h:480 pixfmt:yuv420p [libx264 @ 0x147ccc0] using cpu capabilities: MMX2 SSE2Fast SSSE3 FastShuffle SSE4.2 [libx264 @ 0x147ccc0] profile Main, level 3.0 [libx264 @ 0x147ccc0] 264 - core 123 r2189 35cf912 - H.264/MPEG-4 AVC codec - Copyleft 2003-2012 - http://www.videolan.org/x264.html - options: cabac=1 ref=3 deblock=1:0:0 analyse=0x1:0x111 me=hex subme=7 psy=1 psy_rd=1.00:0.00 mixed_ref=0 me_range=16 chroma_me=1 trellis=1 8x8dct=0 cqm=0 deadzone=21,11 fast_pskip=1 chroma_qp_offset=-2 threads=6 sliced_threads=0 nr=0 decimate=1 interlaced=0 bluray_compat=0 constrained_intra=0 bframes=3 b_pyramid=0 b_adapt=1 b_bias=0 direct=1 weightb=0 open_gop=1 weightp=2 keyint=250 keyint_min=25 scenecut=40 intra_refresh=0 rc_lookahead=40 rc=abr mbtree=1 bitrate=500 ratetol=1.0 qcomp=0.60 qpmin=0 qpmax=69 qpstep=4 ip_ratio=1.25 aq=1:1.00 encoder 'aac' is experimental and might produce bad results. Add '-strict experimental' if you want to use it. Regards, Joel -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130314233158.GA22356@sprite
ffmpeg/avconv doesn't recognize -strict experimental (reposted as top-level thread)
Dear List, ffmpeg/avconv aborts even with -strict experimental when input file audio is encoded with AAC. Does the audio *have* to be decoded? I was thinking there might be some kind of pass-through option. The behavior of ffmpeg and avconv appears to be identical. $ avconv -acodec aac -strict experimental -i S3 D5 Irene.mov -b 500k S3 D5 Irene.m4v avconv version 0.8.5-6:0.8.5-1, Copyright (c) 2000-2012 the Libav developers built on Jan 13 2013 12:05:48 with gcc 4.7.2 Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from 'S3 D5 Irene.mov': Metadata: major_brand : qt minor_version : 537199360 compatible_brands: qt creation_time : 2012-06-22 13:23:05 Duration: 00:23:33.81, start: 0.00, bitrate: 614 kb/s Stream #0.0(eng): Video: h264 (Main), yuv420p, 640x480, 478 kb/s, 29.97 fps, 29.97 tbr, 2997 tbn, 5994 tbc Metadata: creation_time : 2012-06-22 13:23:05 Stream #0.1(eng): Audio: aac, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 130 kb/s Metadata: creation_time : 2012-06-22 13:23:06 File 'S3 D5 Irene.m4v' already exists. Overwrite ? [y/N] y [buffer @ 0x147c540] w:640 h:480 pixfmt:yuv420p [libx264 @ 0x147ccc0] using cpu capabilities: MMX2 SSE2Fast SSSE3 FastShuffle SSE4.2 [libx264 @ 0x147ccc0] profile Main, level 3.0 [libx264 @ 0x147ccc0] 264 - core 123 r2189 35cf912 - H.264/MPEG-4 AVC codec - Copyleft 2003-2012 - http://www.videolan.org/x264.html - options: cabac=1 ref=3 deblock=1:0:0 analyse=0x1:0x111 me=hex subme=7 psy=1 psy_rd=1.00:0.00 mixed_ref=0 me_range=16 chroma_me=1 trellis=1 8x8dct=0 cqm=0 deadzone=21,11 fast_pskip=1 chroma_qp_offset=-2 threads=6 sliced_threads=0 nr=0 decimate=1 interlaced=0 bluray_compat=0 constrained_intra=0 bframes=3 b_pyramid=0 b_adapt=1 b_bias=0 direct=1 weightb=0 open_gop=1 weightp=2 keyint=250 keyint_min=25 scenecut=40 intra_refresh=0 rc_lookahead=40 rc=abr mbtree=1 bitrate=500 ratetol=1.0 qcomp=0.60 qpmin=0 qpmax=69 qpstep=4 ip_ratio=1.25 aq=1:1.00 encoder 'aac' is experimental and might produce bad results. Add '-strict experimental' if you want to use it. Regards, Joel -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130315030132.GA28140@sprite
Latest sid upgrade breaks hot-key suspend-to-ram on T410
Hi all, Instead of letting my sid install age until something breaks, I've been going through regular upgrade/dist-upgrade cycles. The latest upgrade has broken hot-key suspend-to-ram (invoked by Fn-F4). I find that s2ram *does* work, as well as hibernate. Any idea against which package I should file a bug? Regards, Joel -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130303192440.GA1654@sprite
Re: Latest sid upgrade breaks hot-key suspend-to-ram on T410 - SOLVED
Claudius Hubig wrote: Dear Joel, Joel Roth wrote: The latest upgrade has broken hot-key suspend-to-ram (invoked by Fn-F4). I find that s2ram *does* work, as well as hibernate. Cool. Does pm-suspend (a wrapper that does some funky things before calling s2ram) work, too? yes, that works, too. Any idea against which package I should file a bug? At least here (T410s), Fn-F4 generates an ACPI event that is then handled by an appropriate file in /etc/acpi/events, which in turn calls some script to do the actual suspending. If you have a similarly ‘bare’ setup without other daemons (gnome-power-manager etc.), you might want to check there. Otherwise, you can check /var/log/apt/history.log to see which packages were upgraded last or at least give us some more information - Good suggestion! I see my upgrade ended in an error. Correcting a problem package by using 'apt-get -f install packagename' allowed the upgrade to proceed, fixing my issue. Which desktop environment? Are any power managers running? If so, which? I use StumpWM, no power managers (clear execute permissions of cpufreqd) Thanks for your help :-) Best, Claudius -- Please don’t CC me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130303193841.467ce...@ares.home.chubig.net -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130304002807.GA7329@sprite
Re: Keeping backups until storage runs short (deja-dup style) with command line tools?
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 02:46:43PM +0300, Johannes Graumann wrote: Hi, deja-dup has an option to keep backups forever or until storage on the drive backed up to runs short (at which point it starts deleting old backups). Does someone have any pointers on how to copy that behavior using duplicity and/or other CLI tools? In words, if the amount of the previous full backup is less than free space, nuke the oldest full backup, and check again. You could write that in shell/perl/python, using rsync to make the backups. Greetings, Joel Cheers, Joh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/kg51br$br$1...@ger.gmane.org -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130223083913.GA15825@sprite
Re: Client daemon for sorting e-mail via IMAP
alois.mahdal.1-ndm...@zxcvb.cz wrote: Thanks everybody for answers. I wonder: is it possible to do the fetchmail/procmail solution without actually *storing* the mail where the daemon runs? I mean, just talk to the remote IMAP server and tell him move it to that folder there? I would like to avoid the massive duplication. The VPS has quite a small disk, while on the mailbox side, the storage is free (i.e. claimed unlimited for certain price). They just don't help with the sorting/filtering. Also: On 2013-01-22 19:56, Joel Roth wrote: [...] I'll clean up and post the script if anyone is interested. Joel Thanks, Joel, would you be so kind? I'd really like to see your script. Hi, Okay, here it is, with all its warts and weaknesses. https://github.com/bolangi/imapget For your application (don't download messages, only sort among folders on server) you might do better writing from scratch using this code, or using the man page synopsis code as a guide. https://metacpan.org/module/Net::IMAP::Client Basically, you would download the message summaries, then decide what to do based on the header fields. Or use a better-maintained IMAP client library, such as: https://metacpan.org/module/Mail::IMAPTalk or https://metacpan.org/module/PLOBBES/Mail-IMAPClient-3.32/lib/Mail/IMAPClient.pod The review sound good, but I don't understand the IMAP protocol well enough to be able to use them. :-( I took over maintaining Net::IMAP::Client on CPAN a couple years ago. I was able to fix a couple bugs, but it gets stuck trying to tag a couple thousand messages to move or delete, and may have trouble connecting to Gmail. For anyone else wanting to use the imapget script a few other caveats: + the code for caching Message-ID to avoid duplicate messages doesn't work + due to not sufficiently understanding Unicode, I simply filter out non-ASCII characters from the From: and Subject: headers + the code to move the messages to the trash folder and then delete them later doesn't work. For details of Net::IMAP::Client's bugs, see https://rt.cpan.org/Public/Dist/Display.html?Name=Net-IMAP-Client Cheers, and happy scripting! Joel aL. -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/c16d3cd48c3eec5dd4c4912ce3899...@zxcvb.cz -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130130063329.GA26748@sprite
Imapget script (was Re: Client daemon for sorting e-mail via IMAP)
Joel Roth wrote: For anyone else wanting to use the imapget script a few other caveats: (snip) + due to not sufficiently understanding Unicode, I simply filter out non-ASCII characters from the From: and Subject: headers Ack, for logging only. This munging is not applied to messages or filtering rules. -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130130072204.GA27602@sprite
Re: Client daemon for sorting e-mail via IMAP
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 06:45:06PM +0100, Alois Mahdal wrote: Hello everyone! I wonder if there already is a solution for this: I have several mailboxes in various places that I access using several clients (e.g. other from my laptop, other from my Android and other from a public place). Some of boxes (e.g. the one I use for various mailing lists including debian-user) are quite high-traffic and obviously in need of some filtering, be it based on origin or the spam score. Since I'm using various clients, filtering using rules in MUA is not practical. I would prefer to have all this logic in a single place, (namely my personal VPS box), where for example a script would exist just for purpose of regularly checking new mail and moving the new messages to given folders based on pre-defined rules. I think that this could be nice universal solution for any number of mailboxes (as long as they support IMAP), completely avoiding the question of when I actually use which MUA to read/write stuff. Any ideas how to do this easily? (Of course, the mentioned VPS is Debian Wheezy.) Or, is there a ready solution that could be used right away? Hi Alois, Fetchmail for getting messages and procmail for filtering them is probably the most widely used solution. Procmail is powerful, however the syntax for recipes is not exactly user-friendly. I can suggest something possibly simpler, assuming you're comfortable dealing with perl, I use a script based on Net::IMAP::Client and Email::Filter, the latter written specifically to substitute for procmail. Here's what the rules look like. You can examine anything in the head or body. Not beautiful, but flexible and sufficiently comprehensible. return python-app if $mail-to =~ /python-apps-team/i or $mail-cc =~ /python-apps-team/i; return lau if $mail-to =~ /linux-audio-user/i or $mail-cc =~ /linux-audio-user/i ; # Some list managers hack the Reply-To field # to redirect all replies to the list. # # Reset this field so MUA reply goes to # original poster $mail-simple-header_set(Reply-To,), return feldy if ($mail-to =~ /feldyforum/i ) ; I'll clean up and post the script if anyone is interested. Joel -- Alois Mahdal -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130122185637.GA24200@sprite
