Re: I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian , Ian Murdock
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 01:09:00PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Michael Pobega wrote: a point). And if you don't want to believe me then don't, /I/ don't care what you think, /I'm/ just trying to get /my/ point across in what /I've/ seen in /my/ experience. That's find. And in my opinion and my experience you're biased and full of crap. I don't see how I'm biased. I personally dislike Ubuntu, because it's broken as hell. That isn't to say that I hate it, or would never use it. I have my sister running Xubuntu on her Dell Inspiron, and she never has any trouble with it. I think Ubuntu is great for a casual user, but for someone who wants Linux FOR Linux, Ubuntu just doesn't get the job done. There's no need for you to be so hostile, I'm not being hostile. I'm just trying to have a conversation about Ubuntu, and how I feel about it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. If I choose not to use Ubuntu does that make me biased? I choose not to use Ubuntu because I find Debian is twenty times easier to use and I learn a lot more on a system that doesn't come preconfigured. And as for me being full of crap, that's up to you. Keep in mind Ubuntu is using the same system as Debian, but not using it the way it was meant to be used. Which is why Ubuntu debs don't work on Debian and vice-versa (For the most part). I personally think that is the root of why dist-upgrade breaks a lot of the time, and it isn't really a fault in Ubuntu, because they still provide their users with a lot of other things Debian doesn't. A huge forum (Our mailing list has nothing on their forum), commercial support (For Debian? Kind of an oxymoron, isn't it?), and graphical tools to configure everything (Or at least more than Debian has). Before calling me biased and full of crap, realize that in the midst of the topic I only posted the negative things about Ubuntu, because that's what we were talking about (And what my mindset was on when I began typing my original email). But I will stop arguing here because I realize that your last email shows your level of knowledge and education, and I understand that you can't carry on a conversation without swearing at the other party if they don't agree with you. And if you're representative of the level of maturity that is packaged with the Ubuntu distribution and it's community then I really feel sorry for their forums; Because I've never found a community as smart and mature as the Debian community. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian , Ian Murdock
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 02:23:03PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Michael Pobega wrote: I'm ending the argument here, but I just want to say that I've meant no insult to Ubuntu and to anyone else on these mailing lists. I just stated my experience from what I've seen (In my limited time using Ubuntu) and posted it here, and specifically said that it is not fact. When I first spoke in this thread I didn't mean to begin a debate, I only meant to add to the conversation, but I'm sorry that I ever even bothered to respond to this thread, because the second I ever reply to an OT thread on these mailing lists someone jumps on me and attacks me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Removing KDE messed up the network
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 08:17:05PM -0400, Frank McCormick wrote: After trying KDE for a couple of days...I decided it wasn't for me. Sudo aptitude purge kde-desktop. Results: Network is screwed as that process also removed avahi-daemon. Now booting up Etch results in a bunch of error messages, and no network. Unless I can figure out exactly what went on, and a way to get it back together in one piece without net access (other than thru Dapper on this partition), it looks like a complete re-install is in the works. I'd also like to know why removing kde-desktop resulted in removing a seemingly essential part of the network. Any ideas? Have you tried reinstalling avahi-daemon? And what kind of errors are you getting exactly? What were you using the connect to the network? Was it wireless or wired? Were you using knetworkmanager, or anything else of the like? Have you tried ifup/ifdown? Just a bit more information would be helpful, I can't think of anything that removing KDE could do unless you rely on knetworkmanager or avahi-daemon to connect. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Removing KDE messed up the network
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 09:33:05PM -0400, Frank McCormick wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:37:54 -0400 Frank McCormick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you tried reinstalling avahi-daemon? And what kind of errors are you getting exactly? I am about to try that - I dl'ed that and a few related packages on my Dapper partition- moved them to Etch and I'll see what happens after I install. All the boot error messages seem to relate to avahi-daemon OK I re-installed avahi-daemon ( and related dependecies) - the error messages are gone---and I can bring up eth0 with ifconfig eth0 up but dchp is not running so no network. How do I get it running ?? Try installing ifplugd, and see if that works. That should automatically configure itself to start when the computer is booting, and it should try to automatically connect you to your wired network. If that doesn't work then you could always try the default networking way (Which I don't have much knowledge on, I'm still new to Debian), and it should configure your network upon boot as well. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Removing KDE messed up the network
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 10:06:03PM -0400, Frank McCormick wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:59:04 -0400 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK I re-installed avahi-daemon ( and related dependecies) - the error messages are gone---and I can bring up eth0 with ifconfig eth0 up but dchp is not running so no network. How do I get it running ?? Try installing ifplugd, and see if that works. That should automatically configure itself to start when the computer is booting, and it should try to automatically connect you to your wired network. If that doesn't work then you could always try the default networking way (Which I don't have much knowledge on, I'm still new to Debian), and it should configure your network upon boot as well. Michael, see my reply to Andrei. DHCP started running by itself just before I was about to re-install it. Alls well that ends well. Thanks for the replies and advice. Cheers Frank Don't you hate when that happens? I mean, when you ask for help and then the problem just seems to magically solve itself. It happens to me all of the time. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian , Ian Murdock
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 10:54:41PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Michael Pobega wrote: Anything you can do on Ubuntu you can do on Debian, but the truth is that Debian provides much more functionality, stability, and ease of use than Ubuntu Er, wha? You just had several people tell you that things are easier on Ubuntu out of the box and you've the gall to retort with Debian is easier to use? Sorry, I've been around Debian going on about 10 years and I'm not about to say that Debian's easier to use compared to Ubuntu. I didn't have the gall to say anything. In my time I've found Debian at least twenty times easier to use than Ubuntu, and I've used both. I've never really had to go back to edit configuration files, except for minor edits, normally I like to get things done in one job. I'm not at all saying Ubuntu is a bad distro, I like it and I would still recommend it to anyone who is a casual computer user (Like a family member or a friend who just uses their computer to chat/check email/MySpace(All of my friends do that crap)/browse websites. But as for people who plan on really spending time on their computer, Debian is definitely worth the effort. Sure it takes longer to configure, and sure it is a little harder to understand. And yeah, nothing is really handed to you on a silver platter (Besides apt's binaries), but I think having computer knowledge (Especially UNIX based) is one of the most useful things someone can carry with them into life. You may say I'm biased because I use Debian, but I'm not. Like I said I have a System76[0] laptop, so Ubuntu came on it by default[1]. All of my drivers were given to me without any confirmation, and GNOME was thrown on my computer. GNOME? Yeah, GNOME. I personally don't like GNOME, and I don't feel like spending an hour purging it and it's config files from my computer (OT: Why haven't they made the Window Maker Wubuntu yet?). After using Ubuntu for a while I thought I was happy with it, until I realized I was not even my first six months into using it and I had to reinstall Ubuntu five time. Five times! I ended up getting tired of it, and I started distro hopping. Gentoo, I don't really care about building from source. SuSe I didn't like. FedoraCore, I'm not an RPM fan. Debian offered me the tools I love (apt, dpkg, dselect, aptitude) with the stability I need (I'm extremely paranoid when it comes to computer problems) and throw on top Deban's social contract, which means I'll be supporting the FSF (I'm a GPL-whore). And as for GUIs, I hate relying on graphical applications to do any of my configurations. I'm always paranoid that a Xorg update will break X[2] so I'm normally on the command line. Which is why I hate using graphical apps to configure my programs. I'd like to be able to survive on a system without a GUI, instead of cringing to the same wall as the Windows and Mac users would (I don't mean to attack Windows and Mac users, but in all honesty how many of them would be able to get by without their pretty GUI?) Again, this is all just opinion after using Ubuntu for some time and then Debian for some time. I never even mentioned how Ubuntu's community, though large in size, is made up largely of Linux newbies. Not that that is bad, but don't expect to get much help when it comes to asking any REAL technical questions. Hell, don't even expect to get any replies until you've bumped your topic to the point where it's two pages long (I've seen this multiple times, one time it was someone asking about Edgy's usplash and how to manipulate it). I wish I could find the link now, but after a short search on the Ubuntu forums I just gave up. [0]http://system76.com/ [1]http://system76.com/index.php/cPath/45_55?osCsid=de36b9da1586951f231eeec25cfab951 [2]http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=Xorg+Update+BreaksbtnG=Google+Search (Notice: They're all Ubuntu) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian , Ian Murdock
On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 12:03:21AM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: H.S. wrote: Michael Pobega wrote: The Debian social contract is the main thing that won me [over into using Debian] Yes, that is some contract! Debian's 'persona', I guess, is largely due to the contract. I love the democratic nature of Debian. Did you read the rest of the article where Ian said he was against Debian becoming democratic. Even if that's what Ian thinks it's too late to change Debian's system of management now. I mean, just because Ian thinks something that doesn't automatically make it fact. Debian's democratic structure may be slowing it down against distros like Ubuntu, which appeals to a largely mainstream audience, but it creates the greatest community effort out of any distribution. And like I said, whether or not Ian says it has no bearing on Debian; He is going to Sun[0], so he won't be changing Debian's management structure anytime soon. [0]http://ianmurdock.com/2007/03/19/joining-sun/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Favorite Email/Calender/PIM and Why
I don't mean to topic steal here, but this is kind of on topic. I'm wondering if anyone knows of any good calender applications for a system tray? I'm running Window Maker and wmsystray, so I can still use gnome-power-manager, nm-applet, and update-notifier (I need these because I'm on a laptop, otherwise I'd be using Ion). wmsystray can hold 4 applications, and I've been trying to find a good dockable calender program in the repositories. So in short; Does anyone know of any good calender applications that dock into a system tray? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Browser identification to websites
On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 08:07:33AM +0100, Joe Hart wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mihira Fernando wrote: Ken Heard wrote: Not only was I able to to have full access to the site from Konqueror but not Iceweasel, but it also accepted my user id and password and gave me access to all the personal information thereon. Although the plan is a Canadian plan, I was able to access the site from Thailand, where I now am. The server hosting the site may not be in Canada, however. When I am back in Canada I will have to investigate further with the insurance company. Ken Heard Could it be that your Iceweasel is identifying itself as Iceweasel instead of Firefox ? From Joe's observations its safe to assume that site is using browser identification in its scripts so its probably looking only for IE and Netscape/Fiefox identifiers and all others getting the 'Access Denied' page. I checked, and you're right. iceweasel/2.0.0.2 was being sent. I changed it to firefox/2.0.0.2 and have the same problem. I think if I changed it to Mozilla 7, I could probably get the site to work with Iceweasel. However, I have no need to do that because that site is not one that I would ever need. I was just testing it for Ken. It is interesting though. It seems that the change from Firefox to Iceweasel caused a lot more problems than some people think. I just wish Mozilla would understand Debian's position. Interesting that Ubuntu changes the icons and seems to get away with it. Joe Since when has Ubuntu changed the Firefox icon? If I remember correctly Ubuntu ships with default Firefox installed, icon and all. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram
On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 03:15:09PM +0800, Bob wrote: What do people use for mirroring Linux partitions, tar probably but is there a better tool? Why is it better? I've heard of the dd command being used, but I'm not really too knowledgable in that field. But if someone really needs to do it, I'd just check the dd manpage. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: input output error(5)
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 07:54:38PM -0400, Chris Parker wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hello all, I've got a dell power edge 2400 with an adaptec scsi card. Attached to the card are 2 16G disks on the 1st raid channel, while on the 2nd channel are 3 136G drives in a raid 5. Now when I try to copy alot of tiff images off a usb hard drive it copies around 30 images and 2 directories before it crashes hard. It will lock up, turn my main file system read only and not go any further. I have run fsck.ext3 on the new raid5 with only 2.3 non-contiguous blocks. Not sure what would cause this. I can give more info tomorrow. cpu 2 966 ram 512 adaptec scsi card channel 0 -2 16G channel 1 -3 136G Etch Dell Poweredge 2400 I've gotta say that really doesn't sound good. Have you tried doing it under a different kernel/operating system or anything? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Favorite Email/Calender/PIM and Why
On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 10:30:08AM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 07:06:31AM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote: [...] So in short; Does anyone know of any good calender applications that dock into a system tray? I use orage a little and its okay. Don't know if it works outside xfce though... Nope, it's Xfce only. It's a panel application, not a docked application. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: when you do an apt-get upgrade, does it matter it you do it as 'root'?
On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 10:41:50AM -0700, tom arnall wrote: when you do an apt-get upgrade, does it matter it you do it as 'root'? As said before, if you're in the sudo group and in the /etc/sudoers file you can run apt-get upgrade. The main difference I've seen between being root and sudoing is that when you're root (This is only by default, not always) apt-get usually doesn't ask you to give a [y/n] before installing everything, while running as sudo does. I'm sure that can be changed but it's really the only main difference between root and sudo when it comes to apt. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to switch between different network configurations?
On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 09:56:13PM +0800, Zhengquan Zhang mailing list wrote: I have to switch the network configurations between the lab, the dorm and the home ones. Normally I manullay edit /etc/network/interfaces and restart the networking. Is there any easier and smarter way of doing this? Thank you! Regards: Zhang Packages: network-manager-gnome / network-manager-kde Executables: nm-applet / kdenetworkmanager You'll need a system tray to be able to use those programs though, if you're using Window Maker try wmsystray, GNOME/KDE/Xfce have them by default and I believe Fluxbox has it as well. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Speeding up boot time
I'm looking to speed up my Debian Etch boot speed, but I have no idea where to start. Currently I have everything default, but I'd like to remove a few things (Like networking, because networking tries to connect to my Ethernet and my wireless drivers are loaded separately). Are there any easy tools to look through my startup programs, or will I have to sort through everything manually? And if I remove networking, how do I go about using modprobe to start up my Ethernet in case I ever want to use it/need it at another time (i.e. When there is a new Debian kernel release I have to reinstall my wireless before I can do anything)? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Speeding up boot time
On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 08:12:37PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 03/21/07 19:39, Michael Pobega wrote: Are there any easy tools to look through my startup programs, or will I have to sort through everything manually? It's not as much as you think. And if I remove networking, how do I go about using modprobe to start up my Ethernet in case I ever want to use it/need it at another time (i.e. When there is a new Debian kernel release I have to reinstall my wireless before I can do anything)? Run ls -1 /etc/init.d and post it here. That will tell us what you can deinstall. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls -l /etc/init.d total 484 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3071 2006-12-06 04:47 915resolution -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1850 2006-01-14 06:12 acpid -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 940 2006-10-22 13:16 acpi-support -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5884 2006-12-29 07:04 alsa -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8710 2007-01-12 08:36 alsa-utils -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1037 2006-09-24 08:53 anacron -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4351 2007-02-05 04:33 apache2 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1667 2007-02-25 05:33 apmd -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 969 2006-01-03 02:15 atd -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3925 2005-11-11 14:24 aumix -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4318 2007-01-07 13:29 avahi-daemon -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1109 2005-10-27 08:15 binfmt-support -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2803 2006-10-18 09:25 bittorrent -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5089 2006-09-20 07:36 bootclean -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2146 2006-09-12 17:42 bootlogd -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1915 2006-09-20 07:29 bootmisc.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2930 2006-09-14 04:21 checkfs.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 9548 2006-09-20 06:16 checkroot.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5816 2007-03-12 19:31 clamav-freshclam -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6110 2006-09-05 12:15 console-screen.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1671 2006-10-04 14:01 cpufrequtils -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1761 2006-10-12 14:55 cron -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1977 2006-12-28 10:07 cupsys -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2760 2006-12-12 18:21 dbus -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1965 2006-04-15 06:35 ddclient -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5984 2006-10-23 10:52 discover -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1039 2006-10-03 14:31 fam -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 7097 2006-11-18 12:49 fetchmail -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1118 2006-12-12 15:37 gdomap -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5823 2006-11-04 19:19 glibc.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1360 2007-01-13 13:52 halt -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 9168 2006-10-25 11:25 hdparm -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2217 2006-10-09 11:22 hibernate -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1287 2006-09-12 16:46 hostname.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2245 2006-04-29 15:09 hotkey-setup -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4291 2006-10-26 11:39 hplip -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3886 2007-01-17 14:02 hwclock.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2596 2006-11-14 08:26 hyperestraier -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2518 2006-09-15 14:03 ifupdown -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1046 2006-09-15 14:03 ifupdown-clean -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 658 2002-08-17 20:10 initrd-tools.sh -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 1087 2007-01-31 10:33 ipw3945d -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3484 2006-11-03 01:39 keymap.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 944 2006-09-12 17:42 killprocs -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1375 2006-05-25 05:38 klogd -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 417 2006-08-08 18:38 libdevmapper1.02 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 421 2006-09-28 20:06 lm-sensors -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1054 2006-09-06 17:43 makedev -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1793 2006-11-14 06:12 module-init-tools -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 737 2006-06-03 15:20 modutils -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 617 2006-01-11 19:35 mountall-bootclean.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1718 2006-09-12 03:14 mountall.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2206 2006-10-03 14:26 mountdevsubfs.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2394 2006-09-25 04:42 mountkernfs.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 615 2006-01-11 19:35 mountnfs-bootclean.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2299 2006-11-26 09:47 mountnfs.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3797 2006-12-19 04:56 mplayer -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3668 2006-11-26 10:15 mtab.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6127 2007-01-27 14:05 mysql -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2547 2007-02-21 18:52 mysql-ndb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1931 2007-01-27 14:05 mysql-ndb-mgm -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2010 2006-11-13 21:23 nethack-common -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2550 2007-01-06 10:36 networking -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6644 2006-11-06 20:59 nfs-common -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2324 2007-02-25 15:29 openbsd-inetd -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2350 2006-11-27 09:03 pcmciautils -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1525 2006-12-22 03:15 portmap -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5382 2006-11-09 10:37 powersaved -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 997 2006-09-12 21:42 procps.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8045 2006-11-27 17:23 rc -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 798 2006-09-28 13:25 rc.local -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 117 2005-12-02 12:44 rcS -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1386 2006-09-13 02:10 README -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 655 2006-09-12 17:42 reboot -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 994 2006-09-05 19:09 rmnologin -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4096 2006-11-20 10:06 rsync -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 695 2007-03-06 18:06 screen-cleanup -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1376 2006-11-26 13:38 sendsigs -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root
Re: Speeding up boot time
On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 07:32:26PM -0600, John Schmidt wrote: On Wednesday 21 March 2007 18:39, Michael Pobega wrote: I'm looking to speed up my Debian Etch boot speed, but I have no idea where to start. Currently I have everything default, but I'd like to remove a few things (Like networking, because networking tries to connect to my Ethernet and my wireless drivers are loaded separately). Are there any easy tools to look through my startup programs, or will I have to sort through everything manually? And if I remove networking, how do I go about using modprobe to start up my Ethernet in case I ever want to use it/need it at another time (i.e. When there is a new Debian kernel release I have to reinstall my wireless before I can do anything)? You should take a look at installing ifplugd (apt-cache show ifplugd) ifupdown, and guessnet. This should allow you to boot normally without having the network timeout if you do not have a cable plugged in for your ethernet connection. John Schmidt Do you recommend any of those, or would I be safe with just ifplugd and ifupdown in case that fails? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Speeding up boot time
On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 07:54:09PM -0600, John Schmidt wrote: On Wednesday 21 March 2007 19:45, Michael Pobega wrote: On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 07:32:26PM -0600, John Schmidt wrote: On Wednesday 21 March 2007 18:39, Michael Pobega wrote: I'm looking to speed up my Debian Etch boot speed, but I have no idea where to start. Currently I have everything default, but I'd like to remove a few things (Like networking, because networking tries to connect to my Ethernet and my wireless drivers are loaded separately). Are there any easy tools to look through my startup programs, or will I have to sort through everything manually? And if I remove networking, how do I go about using modprobe to start up my Ethernet in case I ever want to use it/need it at another time (i.e. When there is a new Debian kernel release I have to reinstall my wireless before I can do anything)? You should take a look at installing ifplugd (apt-cache show ifplugd) ifupdown, and guessnet. This should allow you to boot normally without having the network timeout if you do not have a cable plugged in for your ethernet connection. John Schmidt Do you recommend any of those, or would I be safe with just ifplugd and ifupdown in case that fails? I think ifplugd and ifupdown would be sufficient for your needs. John Thanks for the tip, now I can finally remove the networking portion from my init files. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Speeding up boot time
On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 09:05:55PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/21/07 20:44, Michael Pobega wrote: On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 08:12:37PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 03/21/07 19:39, Michael Pobega wrote: Are there any easy tools to look through my startup programs, or will I have to sort through everything manually? It's not as much as you think. And if I remove networking, how do I go about using modprobe to start up my Ethernet in case I ever want to use it/need it at another time (i.e. When there is a new Debian kernel release I have to reinstall my wireless before I can do anything)? Run ls -1 /etc/init.d and post it here. That will tell us what you can deinstall. My first pass at things you *might* be able to remove are: apache2 avahi-daemon bittorrent clamav-freshclam hyperestraier mysql* nfs-common And to remove these I just remove them from /etc/init.d? BTW, where's your MTA? I don't see exim4 or postfix. I just use Google's SMTP server, I have no need to have my own outgoing server. What are the advantages to running an MTA? What are the disadvantages? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Speeding up boot time
Also, I forgot to ask. Would it be safe to remove networking from /etc/init.d, and just switch to using ifupdown? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to switch between different network configurations?
On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 07:41:56PM -0700, L.V.Gandhi wrote: On 3/21/07, Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Packages: network-manager-gnome / network-manager-kde Executables: nm-applet / kdenetworkmanager You'll need a system tray to be able to use those programs though, if you're using Window Maker try wmsystray, GNOME/KDE/Xfce have them by default and I believe Fluxbox has it as well. In kde, Executables is knetworkmanager Woops, excuse my mistake on that one. I personally don't use KDE so I really can't remember much about the week I spent in it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian , Ian Murdock
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 08:09:19PM -0700, David E. Fox wrote: On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:51:35 -0400 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: something stable that won't break every six months (Of course I can just not dist-upgrade, but then I wouldn't get ANY package upgrades). Can you not do something much like to 'aptitude update aptitude upgrade on Ubuntu, no matter what flavor? Case in point - I had a guest box over here for a couple of months, and I installed Ubuntu Edgy on it. After the initial install, configuration, and such, I kept it up to date with the Edgy repository by simply doing that, just like I would have done on Debian Etch/testing on my main machine, although of course, the packages sources list pointed to Ubuntu and not Debian repositories. The trouble isn't in the commands, it's in the execution of the commands. Like I said, I tried to upgrade into the newer releases rather than reinstall from a CD. And as I said in my last message, upon update dist-upgrade my system broke. And it's not just me. I've noticed that a lot of people get the same problem from Ubuntu upgrades. That isn't to say that nobody can upgrade their Ubuntu system, but I personally believe that 75% of upgrades fail, at least on a minor scale. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian , Ian Murdock
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 11:11:07PM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 07:21:31PM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote: And for the people who actually want to use Linux, they will eventually move from Ubuntu to Debian ... I've been using Debian since slink, and I'm ready to move to Ubuntu. I just can't handle the absurdly-long release cycle any more. I still don't understand why you would switch to Ubuntu. Unstable is everything Ubuntu is and more. Unstable has larger repositories, a more stable user base, and Debian Sid is generally more stable than * release of Ubuntu (Even if Ubuntu is directly based on Sid, whatever they do to it kills some of the stability). And for servers you can always run Etch and apt-pin whatever you need from Sid. Of course you can do that in Ubuntu too, but the thing I've never understood is that in Ubuntu you aren't even SUPPOSED to apt-pin, because Edgy packagers aren't compatible with Dapper, likewise Feisty and Edgy. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ddclient cron job
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 01:41:22AM -0400, Celejar wrote: On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:37:29 -0400 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know ddclient can run as a daemon, but most of the time that daemon doesn't work and I end up just having to run ddclient manually myself. I'd just like to be able to set it as a cronjob, if that's possible. Just curious, what goes wrong when you run it as a daemon? It seems to work fine for me. Well it usually works as a daemon, but sometimes it just doesn't update my ip (I don't know why, but some of the time it just DOESN'T work. Think of my cronjob as insurance). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ddclient cron job
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 08:11:43AM +, Liam O'Toole wrote: On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:59:18 -0400 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 10:31:07PM +, Liam O'Toole wrote: On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:37:29 -0400 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to get ddclient to run as a cronjob [...] Just invoke ddclient from a script in one of the directories mentioned in /etc/crontab. Your script will run regardless of which users are logged in (or not). */10 * * * * rootddclient (args) That will work. But an interval of 10 minutes is way too short. You only need to run ddclient when your IP address changes or after 30 days, whichever comes sooner. In the latter case you would run it with the '-force' option to renew your subscription with dyndns.org. I changed it to thirty minutes. The reason I need it to update so often is because my IP changes pretty often, I'd say 3~4 times per day. I think that's why the ddclient daemon doesn't work for me; It may not be updating the server enough, so I set a cronjob to take care of that. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian , Ian Murdock
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 10:26:25AM -0400, H.S. wrote: The most challenging thing in the whole installation was getting the wireless working as she wanted. The card itself was detected without any problems. Basically, it had to work at home, at her lab where she works and also at another lab which she sometimes visits and, ideally, at any other hotspot (conferences etc.). I was getting some trouble setting up this thing the Debian way. It took me quite a while to get it working at both places, home and her lab, using profiles in interfaces file. However, the solution was not ideal. IIRC, for any new wireless network, one had to be root to add a profile. In Ubuntu however, I discovered network-manager and nm-applet. With these two, the key was never to touch the /etc/network/interfaces file and configure everything from the manager -- as a normal user. The nm-applet actually shows all the available wireless networks and one only to put his/her key to authenticate. No need to become root. The keys are saved on a per user basis. This method in Ubuntu actually solved the wireless-anywhere-connection problem. nm-applet is available on Debian too. apt-cache search network-manager- will bring up both network-manager-gnome and network-manager-kde, which can be executed with nm-applet and kdenetworkmanager respectively. Anything you can do on Ubuntu you can do on Debian, but the truth is that Debian provides much more functionality, stability, and ease of use than Ubuntu (Editing config files one time takes less time than troubleshooting the problems Ubuntu throws at you in my opinion), as well as much larger repositories (Which, next to the stability and the social contract, is my favorite thing about Debian). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian , Ian Murdock
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 01:43:56PM +0100, Nik wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And it's not just me. I've noticed that a lot of people get the same problem from Ubuntu upgrades. That isn't to say that nobody can upgrade their Ubuntu system, but I personally believe that 75% of upgrades fail, at least on a minor scale. I would be interested how you reach a figure of 75% How many Ubuntu users have you polled? Nik Months of hanging out on the Ubuntu forums, both lurking as a guest and being a registered member for a while: http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=206056 Every day there seemed to be at least three new topics about apt-get dist-upgrade breaking a system. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No cursor in X after resume.
On Sat, Mar 17, 2007 at 06:56:57AM -0700, Zachary Rizer wrote: After a recent upgrade, when I resume my Thinkpad (lid open) there is no cursor in X. You can see that the cursor is there and working, but there is no graphic for it. I have to switch to another virtual terminal and then switch back to X in order for it to draw the cursor again. Has anyone else had this issue? Thanks, Zaq Do you mind posting your /etc/X11/xorg.conf? Your touchpad may have gotten messed up in an update, or it may not be configured correctly. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to get gaim-sound working within KDE?
On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 06:56:57PM +, Ralph Plawetzki wrote: Dear list, I would like to ask for some information on how to get gaim-sound working within KDE. ALSA ist configured correctly (alsaconf) and sound works in KDE but not for gaim. When I hit the test sound button in the settings sceen of gaim, nothing happens. Volume is turned up. How do I get sound to work correctly? at http://gaim.sourceforge.net/faq.php#q23 says, I need libao and audiofile. libaudiofile0, libarts1-audiofile and libao2 are installed. I guess, I am missing some more packages, but I have no idea which ones and other threads on the web didn't provide any useful information. Any help on what I have to consider is appreciated! Thank you very much! Ralph I am running Etch [...] Try changing the Method to aplay. That should give Gaim ALSA sound. I'm actually wondering why that setting isn't used in the first place, since ALSA is the generally used over the others (OSS, for example). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ddclient cron job
I'm trying to get ddclient to run as a cronjob, but before I do it I was wondering if it is not safe to do this. I normally run under a user account (And not root), and ddclient can't be run by anyone but the owner (It won't let you run it, even if you have group access; /etc/ddclient.conf must only be accessible by it's owner) I'm just wondering, before I do anything, if it is safe to chown all of my files to my user account? Or is there an easier alternative? I know ddclient can run as a daemon, but most of the time that daemon doesn't work and I end up just having to run ddclient manually myself. I'd just like to be able to set it as a cronjob, if that's possible. Also, if I set it as a root cronjob will that job only happen if/when I log into root? If it works so that I don't have to be logged into root then I could avoid a lot of hassle. Thank you. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian , Ian Murdock
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 12:44:38PM -0400, H.S. wrote: Just saw this in the following piece: http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/murdockint.html Ubuntu has certainly raised the bar. They have had a tremendous impact on the number of people worldwide using Debian (I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian). ... -HS Funny, I just read this twenty minutes ago. I think Ian is somewhat right, most people who use Ubuntu (Not to insult them) are teenagers who want to use Linux in the same way hip people use Macs. Not to say that all people who use Ubuntu are like that, but a good majority are. And for the people who actually want to use Linux, they will eventually move from Ubuntu to Debian. That is how I found my way here, since my vendor (System76) ships with Ubuntu by default. I spent three months in Ubuntu learning how to use and configure my system, and after three months I felt ready to switch to Debian. I think that is what Ian meant by [Ubuntu has] a tremendous impact on the number of people [...] using Debian. I'll be looking forward to April's LFX, sucks that I live in America so I have to wait an extra month or so to get the magazine. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian , Ian Murdock
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 08:37:27PM -0300, Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote: And for the people who actually want to use Linux, they will eventually move from Ubuntu to Debian. I don't want to start a flamewar, but I don't why Debian is superior to Ubuntu for a home user. I've found Debian is more ways than one to be more suitable for home use. Ubuntu offers a new release every six months, which while some people like upgrading I really don't. Ubuntu's dist-upgrade is broken for the most part, and doesn't work as well as Debian's, meaning that every six months you're almost always forced to make a choice; Risk a dist-upgrade break, or reinstall Ubuntu's new release. I gave up on that after an unsuccessful Dapper-Edgy upgrade, because I realise if I really want to keep my laptop working for college (I'll be using this next year to take notes during class), I'll need something stable that won't break every six months (Of course I can just not dist-upgrade, but then I wouldn't get ANY package upgrades). Debian also offers three flavors, and two ways to use them; Since we all use Debian I'll skip the explanation, but basically stable is good for server use, testing is good for stable home use and unstable is good for bleeding edge home use. And for the two ways to use them, you can either be running Etch or Testing. And yes, those are two different things; Running Testing means you'll always stay updated without having to worry about upgrading to a new version, or reinstalling Debian, for example. And I'm a GNU Purist, besides my wireless drivers (Which are in contrib) I have no non-free packages installed on my system. Ubuntu doesn't offer any differentiations between non-free packages and free packages in their repositories, which upset me when I run my weekly vrms to find that the program unrar was non-free. Of course now I use the (Far inferior) unrar-free program, but I hated how Ubuntu had no seperation between the repositories. The Debian social contract is the main thing that won me, and I have a friend in my Math class who also uses Debian because he loves Debian and the way it does everything (He has been distro hopping, but always ends up back on Debian. Even after trying Ubuntu he landed back into Debian's arms). Just my two cents, I still consider Ubuntu a good distro for people who don't want to do any extensive work on their computers to use, but I think that if you have a bit of free time for troubleshooting and customizing and occasionally working around problems, Debian is really the greatest distribution available. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ddclient cron job
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 10:31:07PM +, Liam O'Toole wrote: On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:37:29 -0400 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to get ddclient to run as a cronjob [...] Just invoke ddclient from a script in one of the directories mentioned in /etc/crontab. Your script will run regardless of which users are logged in (or not). Thanks for the pointer, I think that worked out well. I set the line as: */10 * * * * rootddclient (args) Is that all I'll need to do to have ddclient update my IP automatically every 10 minutes? (Besides the command not working of course, since I've tested it out already) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web browser choices
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 06:35:32PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: I just want to make sure I'm not mising anything when I'm choosing a web browser. I don't use a desktop environment as such, although I'm trying out xfce4 instead of icewm. I want an Xwindow based web browser that lets me access normal web sites. I find I need https, frames, and javascript. I've been searching for browsers for a while, and I've found a few that I like: kazehakase; Not very well featured, but it's small and quick if you just need a down to the bones browser. links2; An amazing browser if you're really low on resources, or if you don't want to be annoyed by CSS. Links2 doesn't support CSS, but is supports nearly everything else (Javascript, for one) (But it doesn't really support most streaming formats, i.e. Flash/Video). Galeon; My personal choice for a browser. Galeon is highly customizable, and with it's Smart Bookmarks (Something other web browsers don't have) Galeon makes the web completely accessable. It's much lighter than Iceweasel/Firefox (Which I've noticed is really annoying and apt to crashing), without losing too much functionality. All you'll have to really learn is how to navigate through gconf-editor to edit the options in the Apps Galeon subdirectory. And there's always chimera2, if you really need an ugly looking browser with almost no dependencies :D -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian , Ian Murdock
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 09:04:28PM -0300, Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote: I think that non-free software go to restricted and to multiverse, while main and universe are pure. I believe main and restricted are enabled by default, and that is why you ended up with unrar. Humm, thinking again, Ubuntu keeps restricted to a bare minimum, and unrar would certainly go to multiverse. So I don't know how you ended up with unrar. IIRC, restricted only has drivers and things like that. I'm not sure how I ended up with unrar on my system, but I didn't like it. I never really add third party sources to my sources.list so it can't be that (The only time I EVER add third party sources is for things like desktop environments, or things I'd really like to have the bleeding edge of). But Unrar isn't even the problem. Feisty is shipping with non-free drivers, which in my opinion is an insult to Debian's philosophy. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web browser choices
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 08:40:06PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 08:05:07PM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote: I've been searching for browsers for a while, and I've found a few that I like: [..kazhakase..links2..galeon..chimera2..] Chimera2 is alpha test. Galeon doesn't let me set the cache location and is gecko based I'll try links2 kazehakase is also gecko based. Well when you run Links2, be sure to run it with the -g argument. That starts up the graphical mode. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: testing distribution weekly builds--- which packages are where?
On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 12:20:19AM -0600, Charles Blair wrote: Even using jigdo, it's taking me a long time to download the .iso images. Is there a list that tells me which image contains which package, so that (I hope) I only have to download some of the images? You should only need the first DVD/CD to get a working system. And as long as you know how to work apt-get, you could just install a base system and manually add X/*DM/WindowManager to your system. But to more specifically answer your question, the first CD generally comes with the most popular packages. Iceweasel, GNOME (I think just gnome-core, though), and other very popular programs. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Worse then useless replies
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 03:25:54PM +1000, Greg Vickers wrote: Hi all, Michael Pobega wrote: On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 02:34:08AM +0100, pinniped wrote: I really don't know what the hell you're talking about. I've been leaving the subject blank lately because people bitch about it for no apparent reason. But if you really don't want the subject changing, why don't you ask Intnsred if he can set things so that the subject isn't changed? A blank 'subject' line with a flashing cursor is just begging people to put something in. [...] Most MUAs /don't/ do threading (For example, AFAIK Icedove/Tbird doesn't do threading), and those that do are the only ones able to see your replies from the right context. Icedove and Thunderbird definitely do threading, in the pane that displays the email messages, where you can sort by date/subject/sender, the left-most icon on this bar looks like is a speech-bubble. Click on this to sort by threads and click on it again to sort in reverse-date thread order. Cheers, I stand corrected then. Well, too late to check now, I'm using Mutt and loving it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Partition greater than 2 Tbyte
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 08:12:17AM +0100, Jon Ingason wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Roberto C. Sanchez skrev: On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 04:52:12PM +0100, Jon Ingason wrote: What is the physical limit for a diskpartition in kernel 2.6? I think the kernel has a logical limit. The physical limit is determined by your hardware. OK then, what is the logical limit? I have disk array with 14x500 GB disks with hardware raid 6. That i about 7 TB. Can the kernel handle that large filesystem and how do I do? I don't even think GRUB/Lilo can handle that large of a system. As far as I know GRUB can only be used on filesystems under 2 TB. I know nothing about the restraints of the kernel, though. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to give priority for slected source
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 09:33:05AM +0100, abdelkader belahcene wrote: Hi, I created a locale repository, defined in sources.list deb file:///home etch/ which contains the desired packages I added an official repository deb ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian etch main contrib It works perfectly I just want to tell to apt-get , that if the software is in my REPOSITORY ( I mean /home/etch) take it from here et don't download it from the remote server !!! thanks for help bela This sounds like a job for apt preferences. All you have to do is edit /etc/apt/preferences [0] (Create it if it doesn't exist) and pin your server to a higher value than the remote server. I'm not sure how this would work out though, you'd probably have to add some sort of flag to all of your local packages. Someone with more experience might want to add to this, I've never done it before. [0]http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html#preferences -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Worse then useless replies
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 02:34:08AM +0100, pinniped wrote: huh? I really don't know what the hell you're talking about. I've been leaving the subject blank lately because people bitch about it for no apparent reason. But if you really don't want the subject changing, why don't you ask Intnsred if he can set things so that the subject isn't changed? A blank 'subject' line with a flashing cursor is just begging people to put something in. What mail client are you using? Most mail clients automatically write Re: Topic Name to the subject field. Actually, not changing the subject worked perfectly for this reply. And nobody was bitching about it for no apparent reason. If you're going to join a mailing list you should conform to the standards, I bet 50% of the people you replied to never saw your reply because of how you changed the subject. Most MUAs /don't/ do threading (For example, AFAIK Icedove/Tbird doesn't do threading), and those that do are the only ones able to see your replies from the right context. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Worse than useless replies
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 09:27:10PM -0500, Patrick Wiseman wrote: On 3/7/07, pinniped [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: huh? I really don't know what the hell you're talking about. I've been leaving the subject blank lately because people bitch about it for no apparent reason. But if you really don't want the subject changing, why don't you ask Intnsred if he can set things so that the subject isn't changed? A blank 'subject' line with a flashing cursor is just begging people to put something in. I really, more often than not, don't know what the hell YOU'RE talking about, which was my point. And you just did it again, responding without quoting what you're responding to. I suspect you're using a crippled email client - mine doesn't flash an empty subject line at me, and it invites me to quote what I'm responding to. (And, for debian-user, I'm on gmail, which is by no means the most sophisticated of email clients. It invites me to top-post, an invitation I ignore here; it makes editing the Subject line difficult; it makes quoting routine.) As I said before, I'm just trying to help you be MORE helpful. Sorry if you took it wrong. Patrick Patrick, I just thought you should know all of your responses have shown up as new threads to me. Not sure if it's something with my Mutt setup or if other people are seeing this too, but I'd really like to know. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Etch
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 12:10:32PM +0100, pinniped wrote: Well, your MUA is your responsibility - don't complain when it doesn't behave the way you want. The 'subject' is mutable so you should expect it to change in this forum. My MUA works fine, but I just find it a bit irritating that you have to change the subject string when you reply to a topic. Also quoting what you're replying to would help as well. Not all people archive all the mails and delete them after reading, and/or their MUA doesn't archive automatically (The only MUA besides Mutt I know of that does threading is Sylpheed, and Sylpheed doesn't handle text too well to be honest) The subject shouldn't have to be muted just because you feel like changing it though, I normally follow topics by hitting 'Tab' in Mutt, and I don't normally look at everything as threated topics. When I see the subject change I assume I'm in another thread, but actually you just changed the topic. I'm not trying to flame you or anything, I'm just pointing out that some (Probably a lot more people than me) find it a bit annoying. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to get newer kdevelop in my etch installation ?
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 01:24:33PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) Use apt pinning. I have no experience with this. Won't that mean that in the long run I will draw the whole KDE stuff from testing into stable ? Actually, apt-pinning is a lot easier than you think. Just google apt-pinning and the first result should be a HowTo for apt-pinning. It's extremely easy and simplistic, you just have to understand how to actually pin the apt files, and understand a few file types (/etc/apt/preferences and /etc/apt/sources.list, which are easy). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to get newer kdevelop in my etch installation ?
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 01:57:38PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, 2) Use apt pinning. I have no experience with this. Won't that mean that in the long run I will draw the whole KDE stuff from testing into stable ? Actually, apt-pinning is a lot easier than you think. Just google apt-pinning and the first result should be a HowTo for apt-pinning. Ok, I'm just starting to read the howto(s). I still wonder what will happen on later upgrades, when kdevelop will depend on new kde libraries. As I understand it, they will come in, too. Of course, I could just hold kdevelop after I got it from unstable ... Well if you ever get problems with kdevelop just do apt-get remove kdevelop apt-get -t unstable install kdevelop Using -t /version/ instead of kdevelop/testing will grab all of the dependencies from Unstable, along with the actual program itself. Or, of course, you could just not upgrade kdevelop (Put in your /etc/apt/preferences that you don't want kdevelop to be upgraded and you should be fine). Whenever a new feature/bugfix comes out that you need, uninstall/reinstall. Beats managing source packages in my opinion. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DL140 G3 with stable
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 02:26:01PM +0100, Arty Weissman wrote: Hey all, Is there anybody out there who have successfully installed Debian Stable on a HP DL140 G3 with the root fs located on a disk attached to the internal SATA-controller? I'm having difficulties finding information on exactly which Adaptec card is attached to the mobo, and stable cannot find any attached disks. Excuse me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know Sarge doesn't work with SATA disks. If you're using a SATA disk you'd be better off installing Etch, which will be the new Stable very soon. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Does debian support sata 750GB hard drive?
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 09:48:15AM -0600, Michael Kerwin wrote: I have built a Pentium core duo computer and can get debian to boot from the cd if it is an ide parallel drive but when I try it with a 750GB SATA drive it get to the point where it will try to boot from the cd rom and it can't. I saw that someone had a problem with this before. I am trying to boot with the debian 3.1r5 netinstall for i386. Has the Sata problem been fixed yet? As far as I know SATA support wasn't included in the Kernel until after Sarge became stable, so it was never included in Sarge's repositories. If you're trying to install Debian on a SATA disk your best bet is Etch, installing Sarge would be way too much trouble (You'd probably have to do a lot of work), and in a few months it will become old stable anyway (With Etch being the new stable). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: any experiences with knujon
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 05:14:09PM -0500, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: Recently I came across http://www.knujon.com/ which claims that it is successful in shutting down spam websites. Has anyone already tried it? Does it work as effectively as they claim it to be? Is it safe to register with them? Since mailing lists such as debian-www etc., are contaminated by spam emails, if knujon does indeed work, then may be we can ask the mailing list moderators to send spammy emails from debian lists to them... Any other suggestions/opinions/comments are also be welcome. thanks raju I've never heard of it but it would probably be a good idea to tell someone about it, as it sounds like a very good idea. I'm too lazy to setup spamassasin to deal with the spam mails so I always have to delete them, but personally I don't mind :P -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hard Drive hdb becomes hdf !!!
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 04:21:18PM -0500, Thomas H. George wrote: boot: rescue=/dev/hdf5 which stopped with Warning: Unable to open and initial console Kernel Panic: No init found. Try passing an init= option to the kernel You have to add an init line into /boot/grub/menu.lst. You could probably boot it with an init= option, but I've never done anything like that before. Sorry to fall back onto this, but I'm on a terminal-only computer right now so I'll just forward you to two websites: [0]http://forums.debian.net/ In the HowTO section find a thread by Lavene about recompiling kernels. There is a section about init there, which is where I learned. [1]http://google.com/ Look up GRUB Init, or something of the sort. Hopefully you can find something about it, it's most likely on GRUB's website (I have no idea what the URL is, I'm also offline right now). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Etch
On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 10:23:05PM +0100, pinniped wrote: Etch is almost 2 years old! SATA support began in the 2.5 kernels and some modules were backported to 2.4. There have been many huge changes in the 2.6 kernel to date, so Etch should be the one to use. Kernels 2.6.16 to 2.6.18 seem fine, 2.6.19 is buggy, never tried .20 - .21 is in the works. This is a bit off-topic, but would you mind not changing the subject when replying to a topic? It's not that my MUA threads it wrong or anything, but I read using Jump To Next New Mail, which means when I see a new subject I think it's a new thread. I don't mean this as an insult, just pointing it out. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: static IP
On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 08:27:23AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 04:44:41AM -0800, Jordi wrote: And Andrei: If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) That is a very good point. When I had time (when will that happen??) I would like to make a site for people using Linux not to suicide trying to understand it, as many things are much simpler that it seems reading some articles, at least for most of the users. Jordi There's a project starting to document Linux for beginners, *real* beginners. It started its discussions on this mailing list, then moved to debian-doc. Have a look. You might be able to contribute, even if you don't have time to do it all. -- hendrik As far as I know, they aren't even talking on debian-doc anymore. The project was moved to a Wiki (I lost the link, if someone can help me out) and from what I remember it's becoming a pretty good source of information. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CMS for server
On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 04:58:13AM -0800, Jordi wrote: Hello [...] I am considering to change to another CMS. The best for me are these: - Xoops - Joomla - e107 What do you use in your servers? Have you been using these in your servers? Jordi I've been working on coding my own actually, although I'm on my last nerve and giving up on it[0]. The designer that helped me make the layout made it image heavy, and therefore it only displays nicely on certain resolutions. I am now working on a new one using just divs and CSS for the HTML, so that it can be more modular. [0] http://digital-haze.net/ (The link on the left that says Girafarig) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Configurable files and functions
On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 12:33:11PM -0600, Dave Walker wrote: [...] Does such a list exist? I have in mind such files as .bashrc and .bash_profile and I am sure there are many others that I will encounter. Is it time for me to buy a reference book containing this info? If so, which one? I do plan to upgrade to Etch as soon as it is the stable release, so if a book is available for sarge, would it be useful for etch? Most of the configuration files are generally found in ~/.$PROGrc. So Mutt is: ~/.muttrc And Vim is: ~/.vimrv At least from my experience most programs have dot-rc files. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgraded to 2.6.18-4-686, trouble.
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 09:03:30PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 11:25:32PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 08:04:02PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 10:05:30PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: Whenever I boot into the 2.6.18-4-686 kernel everything works fine, but when it starts loading hald I get: Buffer I/O error on device sr0 after this, I assume the boot continues normally? Correct. It just jumps from the Buffer I/O errors to booting correctly. It says this about 8 times. I tried reinstalling hal but that didn't seem to change anything either. Does your cd drive work after this has happened?? does this error show up in dmesg? The CDROM seems to be working fine, but it's much louder than normal. I think I'm going to have GRUB default to *-3-686 for now, until (If) I can get this solved. It's not the worst thing in the world, but it's just loud enough to annoy me (I rip and use my CDROM pretty often, so it's quite annoying). yeah, all the references I found to that error point to problems with cd, so I think that's a good idea. you might hit of the kernel team and see if they have any insight. A It actually ended up just turning out to be the CD, I forgot that it was in the drive and I think it was scratched up (Or something similar) because I got the same error when I booted into *-3-*. Sorry for the false alarm, I guess I just have a really bad memory. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Upgraded to 2.6.18-4-686, trouble.
Whenever I boot into the 2.6.18-4-686 kernel everything works fine, but when it starts loading hald I get: Buffer I/O error on device sr0 It says this about 8 times. I tried reinstalling hal but that didn't seem to change anything either. I'm wondering if this is a serious issue (I still have 2.6.18-3-686 installed and it works perfectly, so I can switch back to using that) or if I'll have to recompile the kernel from source to fix this or something. Thanks for your time. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgraded to 2.6.18-4-686, trouble.
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 08:04:02PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 10:05:30PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: Whenever I boot into the 2.6.18-4-686 kernel everything works fine, but when it starts loading hald I get: Buffer I/O error on device sr0 after this, I assume the boot continues normally? Correct. It just jumps from the Buffer I/O errors to booting correctly. It says this about 8 times. I tried reinstalling hal but that didn't seem to change anything either. Does your cd drive work after this has happened?? does this error show up in dmesg? The CDROM seems to be working fine, but it's much louder than normal. I think I'm going to have GRUB default to *-3-686 for now, until (If) I can get this solved. It's not the worst thing in the world, but it's just loud enough to annoy me (I rip and use my CDROM pretty often, so it's quite annoying). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 10:17:10PM +1100, Julian De Marchi wrote: On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 19:34 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Respect for posters lowers over time the more they top post. http://wiki.ursine.ca/Best_Online_Quoting_Practices Julian De Marchi wrote: Ubuntu is my Desktop system of choice. It is based on debian, thus debian related. All those things are debian related as they run on the debian system. Ubuntu != Debian. Ubuntu has it's own lists where Ubuntu is in-bounds. Mate i use Ubtunu cuase i like it, do not need help with it (so fuck you!). I use debian for my servers cause it is stable. Give the shit stirring a break. Julian, no need to be so hostile. The mailing list is here to help you, not hurt you. If you don't like something someone may have said do what I do and just ignore it, it's safer to be non-confrontational than it is to be a fighter. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 06:39:28AM +, Andy Smith wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 07:58:35PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 07:57:00PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Some folks around here consider myself, Ron, Paul, Andrew and some of the others to be experts. I don't think any of us is in any danger of quitting the list. I am. I'm sorry to hear that. Of course, I expect that you are more than capable of efficiently ignoring the OT threads, if you so choose. The problem is that this small group of prolific posters do not start their own pointless time-sucking masturbatory threads, they hijack other people's legitimate threads. Well I'll use this mail to apologize, I feel stupid for taking part in one of those threads (The political one) and I'll try not to do it again. I just usually can't turn down a debate, I'm a very political person since it plays a heavy role in my life. I apologize for putting any fuel into the fire though. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Installation on a cybercafe PC
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 12:26:55AM +0530, Deboo ^ wrote: [...] Secondly, I haven't yet seen a PC bogged up due to installing or uninstalling Linux. Does that happen? And how many such cases exist? It rarely happens, but when it does it sucks. From what I've seen it usually happens because someone forgot to defrag before they made the NTFS partition smaller, or it could possibly be just a weird mistake. I know when I tried installing Gentoo (From the LiveCD, I don't have 3 days to waste on an installer) it killed ALL of my partitions, including /, /home and swap (I was installing it on a fourth partition). It just happens, pretty rarely but nothing is guaranteed 100%. Thanks again to the guys above who gave the Linux Puppy link and about the usb stick Linux - which distro goes in to a USB stick? DSL has an embedded zip file that goes right onto a USB with syslinux, but I personally use FeatherLinux. I find it a lot smoother than DSL, and generally everything works better. FeatherLinux hasn't been worked on in a long time though, so the packages may be a bit out of date. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Archiver Cron Jobs
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 09:34:04AM -0500, Stephen wrote: On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 12:13:11AM -0500 or thereabouts, Michael Pobega wrote: I'd like to be able to create a cron job that does a weekly archive of all of my folders in ~/mail. The way I have my mail set up is one folder per box, for example my folders are: ~/mail/inbox ~/mail/debian-user ~/mail/sent I'd like the Cron job to archive these on a weekly basis, but not exactly on a weekly basis. Instead of reinventing the wheel; Why not use something like archivemail? # aptitude show archivemail Package: archivemail State: installed Automatically installed: no Version: 0.7.0-1 Priority: optional Section: mail Maintainer: Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] Uncompressed Size: 139k Depends: python Description: archive and compress your old email Archivemail moves old mail out of a mailbox (in Maildir, MH, or mbox format, or via IMAP) and archives it in a compressed mbox-format mailbox file. It is well suited to be run from cron for automatic archiving of your old mail. Wow, nice find! I'll definitely toy around with this sometime today. Oh, and it's in maildir format, since that's the only way I could get Mutt to do what I wanted (Mbox didn't seem to work right the way I was trying to set it up, although I don't mind using maildir instead of mbox). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Regarding new kind of debian FAQ concerning this list
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 02:43:38PM +0530, Deboo ^ wrote: Is there someone who has taken the pain to write an FAQ of problems/working solutions from this list? If yes, please give me the link. If not, I think there should be such an FAQ too, other than the debian faq. I can try and contribute. Regards, Deboo Can't you just Google a debian-user archive (I know MARC has one, I just forget the URL) and use the search function? I mean, that's the reason that mailing list archives were invented. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Download cd-iso images
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 07:14:46AM -0800, Emile van der Merwe wrote: Hi, I'm new to the linux environment, but would like to try it out for myself. I want to download the cd-iso images, but wanted to know if I have to download all 14 iso images under i386 directory? Thanks If you just download the first install CD I'm pretty sure it gives you the option to NetInstall everything, with then downloads the most updated packages right from the Debian FTP site. If you have to do an offline install I recommend the daily builds of the DVD, that would require the least amount of downloads and updates when you finally boot into your operating system. Welcome to Debian GNU/Linux, hope you enjoy you stay :D -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 08:40:09AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/26/07 08:20, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:34:44 -0800 Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] And I boot into the text console and fire up the GUI using startxfce4. (There are similar commands for GNOME, KDE, fvwm, etc, etc.) So, quitting/restarting X is simple, negates the need to reboot and is *faster* than a reboot. I totally agree Ron... I too (AOL) use startxfce4 unless I'm playing around I just went back to GNOME last night because there (TTBOMK) is no gthumb-like app for when I need to import photos from my digital camera. Couldn't you just run gThumb on Xfce? I run gThumb all of the time, and I'm using Wmaker. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 09:27:04AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/26/07 09:20, Michael Pobega wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 08:40:09AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/26/07 08:20, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:34:44 -0800 Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] And I boot into the text console and fire up the GUI using startxfce4. (There are similar commands for GNOME, KDE, fvwm, etc, etc.) So, quitting/restarting X is simple, negates the need to reboot and is *faster* than a reboot. I totally agree Ron... I too (AOL) use startxfce4 unless I'm playing around I just went back to GNOME last night because there (TTBOMK) is no gthumb-like app for when I need to import photos from my digital camera. Couldn't you just run gThumb on Xfce? I run gThumb all of the time, and I'm using Wmaker. You'd think. It's installed, but only auto-pops up when GNOME is running. So hit Alt+F2 and run gthumb? You'd probably have to manually mount your device in Xfce but it should work the same as GNOME. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrade to PHP 4.2.3 or higher
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 11:23:46AM -0500, Ed Curtis wrote: I currently use a Woody distrib as a web server. It's been very stable for me for a couple of years and I don't really want to dist-upgrade. Testing dist-upgrade with other testing servers mirroring this server has given less than desirable results. I would however like to upgrade to a higher version of php if at all possible. I don't need 5 yet. All I really need at this point is 4.2.3. I do also have GD and some other libs installed that work with my current version of php. Is there an easy way to upgrade without breaking everything? Thanks, Ed I actually just helped a friend get his Sarge server to have updated packages. Just Google apt-pinning (With or without quotes, doesn't matter). I'd link you right to the page but I'm running a terminal-only session right now (I have no idea how to actually copy/paste URLs from terminal sessions). Before you upgrade though, I would purge all php4 related packages from your computer. I would also highly advise upgrading to Apache2 (If you don't have it already). Keep in mind: apt-get -t testing php5 libapache2-mod-php5 Is a lot safer than: apt-get install php5/testing libapache2-mod-php5/testing. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrade to PHP 4.2.3 or higher
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 12:11:52PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 11:51:58AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: Keep in mind: apt-get -t testing php5 libapache2-mod-php5 Is a lot safer than: apt-get install php5/testing libapache2-mod-php5/testing. Please don't do this on Woody! It will almost certainly pull in new versions of perl and libc6 which *will* completely hose your system. Woops! Sorry about that, I didn't mean to nearly hose any systems. Thanks for that, I'll never suggest apt-pinning for anyone under Sarge anymore! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian 4
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 06:58:22PM +, Doofus wrote: When? For the past seven months we've had under the news section at debian.org: Upcoming Release of Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 Upcoming. Is this an off-beat sense of humour on the part of the developers? Debian 4.0 (Etch) will be released when it is ready. Currently Etch has 525 bugs, 93 of which are release critical. The reason I choose Debian over most other distributions (Especially Ubuntu) is because Debian has a strict release policy to ensure stability for server computers and deliver the awesome service that the Stable Debian releases have been known for as long as Debian's been out. Just because Etch isn't officially released it doesn't mean you can't use it. Just install Debian Testing from a testing iso which you can get from Debian's mainsite[01]. Etch is all in all pretty stable (I'm using it at the moment) but the packages are a wee bit outdated. [0] http://debian.org/ [1] http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re:
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 09:04:41PM +, pChan -- wrote: Hey, I am trying to install apache2 on my webserver, except it won't start. I've tried purging apache2 etc, but it keeps giving me this error when trying to start:sd-6340:~# apt-get install apache2 Reading Package Lists... Done This should work for you: apt-get --purge remove apache2-common apt-get --reinstall install apache2 apache2-common apache2-doc apache2-mpm-worker apache2-utils libapr0 ssl-cert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Repository
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 02:16:24PM -0800, Baz wrote: Hello. I need help getting into my source.list to delete some lines. How do I change the permissions? I've tried Synaptic, but the lines I need to delete aren't there. Sebastian If changing the permissions is what you want to do, you can su into root and change them using the chmod command. Note that if you share your computer with other people this could cause a lot of trouble, where others can mess with your sources.list. Or you can just do what everyone else does and edit it as superuser :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Archiver Cron Jobs
I'm pretty new to cron jobs, and I've just started playing around with them pretty recently. I'd like to be able to create a cron job that does a weekly archive of all of my folders in ~/mail. The way I have my mail set up is one folder per box, for example my folders are: ~/mail/inbox ~/mail/debian-user ~/mail/sent I'd like the Cron job to archive these on a weekly basis, but not exactly on a weekly basis. The part that is tough for me to figure out is...I want the cron job to only archive when the file is a week old. So I'd need it to do a daily check of my folders and their contents (And the dates they were created), and if they're older than seven days old move them into ~/mail/archives/folder (Archive would be a mirror image of the directories in ~/mail). I imagine something like this can be done in bash or similar, but I have no experience doing bash. Thanks for your time, Michael Pobega -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 08:52:27AM +0100, Joe Hart wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Johnson wrote: You can pump your own gas in Oregon, just join a membership cardlock station. You sign a waiver making it technically a form of employment with no hours. Self service prices in Oregon are comparable to what they are in Washington, and about 30 cents a gallon more than minimum service. Why make such a big deal about doing the gas station's job for them when it just costs more? Please don't start talking about gas prices. It makes me think about how much we get ripped off at the pumps. Current price is 1.40 Euro per liter. Do the math: 1.3 Euro = 1 Dollar. 3.8 liter = 1 US Gallon. It's not much better anywhere in Europe. That's why most people drive small cars. Joe That's pretty cheap. I live in New York and gasoline up here is $2.30 or so per gallon. Considering those prices that amount of people that driver hummers is pretty astounding, too. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: sponge burning!
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 04:41:44AM +, s. keeling wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 02/24/07 16:51, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Sat, Feb 24, 2007 at 01:52:56PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: [snip] Here is an idea. Why don't voters just make it a point to only elect military vets or retirees to federal public office? /Starship Troopers/, anyone? The political theory in the beginning of the book is very interesting. And, of course, R.H. was a Navy vet. (Yes, I know that your suggestion is not what Heinlein wrote in ST, but it's close enough.) John Kerry. # aka political washout. Served with distinction # (last I heard). George Bush II # Served, well sort of, National Guard, was # elected (kinda, sorta) Pres. Hillary Clinton # Ha! Chyaa, right. Ha, ha, haaa, ha, haaa! Obama # Uh ... Seems a decent sort, though. How about electing only people who've had nothing to do with invading innocent bystanders? You're ruling out one of the main candidates in the 2008 election; Rudolph Gullianni. As far as I know he has had nothing to do with any wars. And if you remember anything about 9/11 he was the most supportive government official, he aided 80% of the families affected by 9/11. I'm rambling though, and probably a little biased since I'm a Republican. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: file dialog in iceape
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 10:48:05AM +0100, Baurzhan Ismagulov wrote: Hello all, I've tried to upload a file in the latest iceape and have seen that it uses a different file dialog. Two problems: First, I can't type a file name manually. Second, it doesn't show files starting with dot. For the first problem, I've found a magic Ctrl-F combination (no help button, no tip on the screen!). I wonder what was the problem with just displaying the field. For the second problem I still don't have any solution. I can type the name starting with a dot, press Enter, but the dialog stays open and the file is not accepted. Can I switch to the old kind Mozilla file dialog? If not, how can I input file names starting with a dot? Can I permanently enable file name text box? Please CC to me, I'm not subscribed. Thanks in advance! With kind regards, -- Baurzhan Ismagulov http://www.kz-easy.com/ I'm pretty sure if you right click in the background you can check Show Hidden Files. I haven't used IceApe/IceWeasel in a long time but I remember it working like that. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: sponge burning!
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 08:25:40AM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 07:16:51AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: I'm rambling though, and probably a little biased since I'm a Republican. Yup. Too bad the Gullianni supports the murder of innocent babies. Other than that, I agree with him on most things. Regards, -Roberto I hate talking to Democrats about politics. I'm trying to discuss my opinions in a friendly manner, and you jump into murdering innocent babies? I'm glad you have the social capacity to keep a sane conversation continuing. And if you didn't realize it, that was heavy sarcasm. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: REALLY OT: News Flash
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 08:36:42AM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 01:16:58AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: That implies that the care when they're fat and happy, which today's day and age clearly shows they don't. That's not a flaw with economics, that's a flaw with most people's character. I wouldn't even describe it as a character flaw. It is more a fact of human nature. Look at how much church attendance jumped in the US in the weeks following 9/11. To many people, the world was not as certain and secure as they thought, and so they looked for spiritual guidance. Regards, -Roberto This actually falls into a similar category as one of my favorite phrases ever: There are no atheists in foxholes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 07:39:04AM -0600, Kent West wrote: Michael Pobega wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 08:52:27AM +0100, Joe Hart wrote: Please don't start talking about gas prices. It makes me think about how much we get ripped off at the pumps. Current price is 1.40 Euro per liter. Do the math: 1.3 Euro = 1 Dollar. 3.8 liter = 1 US Gallon. That's pretty cheap. I live in New York and gasoline up here is $2.30 or so per gallon. You missed the math. Joe's price of $1 is per _liter_, not gallon. He's paying almost $4 per gallon, while you're paying $2.30. I have a hard time calling that cheap. Now, how would one do this calculation in OO.o Calc? Or Gnumeric? Or maybe some other Debian math-y proggie? Maybe, how would one draw a graph comparing the two prices? Ah, right. I'm not used to using the metric system, so I usually assume that everything is in American measurements. $4 per gallon though? That's amazing. I can't believe anyone can be allowed to change that much for gas, it's highway robbery -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 08:16:06PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Pobega wrote: Please don't start talking about gas prices. It makes me think about how much we get ripped off at the pumps. Current price is 1.40 Euro per liter. Do the math: 1.3 Euro = 1 Dollar. 3.8 liter = 1 US Gallon. It's not much better anywhere in Europe. That's why most people drive small cars. That's pretty cheap. I live in New York and gasoline up here is $2.30 or so per gallon. Considering those prices that amount of people that driver hummers is pretty astounding, too. You need to brush up on your math skills if you think that $2.30 $1.30 x 3.8. You pay $2.30 per gallon, I pay $4.94. It's not even close. That explains one of the reasons that public transportation is much better here, although in New York City, public transportation is also readily available (unless it is raining :) ) Joe Like I said, I forgot to do the conversions. I've never been over the border so I just assume everything in the American numerical system, and I thought he said 1.00 to the gallon, not liter. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 01:47:59PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 13:20, Michael Pobega wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 08:16:06PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote: Michael Pobega wrote: [snip] Like I said, I forgot to do the conversions. I've never been over the border so I just assume everything in the American numerical system, and I thought he said 1.00 to the gallon, not liter. Just because you've never been to Europe, you didn't know that most every country except the US use the metric system No, I know that they all use the metric system. Hell, my father is married to a Brit. But I always forget that they use it, and I automatically assume that people are using non-metric values, it's kind of just reaction. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 09:55:58PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Pobega wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 08:16:06PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Pobega wrote: Please don't start talking about gas prices. It makes me think about how much we get ripped off at the pumps. Current price is 1.40 Euro per liter. Do the math: 1.3 Euro = 1 Dollar. 3.8 liter = 1 US Gallon. It's not much better anywhere in Europe. That's why most people drive small cars. That's pretty cheap. I live in New York and gasoline up here is $2.30 or so per gallon. Considering those prices that amount of people that driver hummers is pretty astounding, too. You need to brush up on your math skills if you think that $2.30 $1.30 x 3.8. You pay $2.30 per gallon, I pay $4.94. It's not even close. That explains one of the reasons that public transportation is much better here, although in New York City, public transportation is also readily available (unless it is raining :) ) Joe Like I said, I forgot to do the conversions. I've never been over the border so I just assume everything in the American numerical system, and I thought he said 1.00 to the gallon, not liter. Sorry, I replied to the other message before I saw. I didn't mean to insult you. I remember when I was in elementary school (in Virginia) that we were taught the metric system because the rest of the world uses it and we're going to switch soon. That never happened. We really are off topic now aren't we? Off-topic from an off-topic thread? What an oxymoron. And yeah, teachers always say that we'll be switching to the metric system but it will never happen. I'm still in high school and my economics teacher says that all of the time. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: REALLY OT: News Flash
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 12:24:26PM -0800, Tyler MacDonald wrote: Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wishful thinking I like a good digression as well as the next person, probably better than most, but this is ridiculous. I'd love to see this go over to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Could someone set it up, please? /wishful thinking Thank you for your attention. You may now return to your previously-scheduled demagoguery. You do know about ignore thread right? it's GREATLY increasing the noise:signal ratio for people who don't know about ignore thread or other such things. It doesn't bother me personally (like I said I've found some of the messages in this thread quite interesting... and if I don't feel like paying attention I can just hit delete) Not to sound stupid, but how does one use this ignore thread feature? I'm pretty new to mailing lists so I'm guessing I respond to the topic and put ignore in the subject header, but I could be wrong and don't want to spam up everyone's inbox. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: REALLY OT: News Flash
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:35:12PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:19:01 -0500 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to sound stupid, but how does one use this ignore thread feature? I'm pretty new to mailing lists so I'm guessing I respond to the topic and put ignore in the subject header, but I could be wrong and don't want to spam up everyone's inbox. Ignore thread is a feature of the MUA, not of the mailing list. What do you mean by the MUA? If it's doable in Mutt, is there any way you can point me out to a how-to or walkthrough on it? That would be very helpful, since even though I find them somewhat interesting after a day or two I'd like to get rid of most of the OT threads. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: REALLY OT: News Flash
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 04:54:12PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 04:19:01PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: Not to sound stupid, but how does one use this ignore thread feature? I'm pretty new to mailing lists so I'm guessing I respond to the topic and put ignore in the subject header, but I could be wrong and don't want to spam up everyone's inbox. It depends on your mail client software. Regards, -Roberto How do I do it though? Do I just filter the thread by name, or is there some sort of way to block threads without going so in depth (I'm using Mutt by the way, but this is a general question and should apply to most e-mail clients) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: REALLY OT: News Flash
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 05:10:12PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 01:43:24PM -0800, Michael M. wrote: On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 08:57 -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 08:43:32AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: This actually falls into a similar category as one of my favorite phrases ever: There are no atheists in foxholes. Well, people do like to pretend that they are in control of the world until they realize that they are not. That's something of a non-sequiter. You seem to be implying that atheists pretend they are in control of the world. I would say it's just the reverse: it's the theists who think they are in control, as in have all the answers. They look to one of several ancient texts, purported to be the words of either a deity or prophet, and decide these things are true, ignoring all evidence to the contrary as well as the internal contradictions of those texts. If you meet a Christian (I can't speak for other faiths) who thinks he or she is in control, then that individual is wrong. The Bible explicitly states on numerous occasions that God is ultimately in control. Of everything. Out of curiousity, could you provide evidence of something that contradicts anything that is written in the Bible? I know that this list has been going off-topic a lot lately, but could we not get into a religious argument? Politics is far enough, but arguing over religion is just petty. Everyone has their own belief, and let it be that way. Arguing over it isn't going to help anyone, it's just going to create grudges in the community between users. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: We need an off-topic list (was Re: REALLY OT: News Flash)
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:56:51PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:46:30 +0100 Sven Arvidsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/HOWTO_start_list But does a debian-user-ot (or whatever) mailing list need to be hosted at debian.org? According current policy there is no chance to get such a list. From your link above: [quote] [...] vanity or offtopic lists will not be created. [/quote] Regards, Andrei That is understandable, but I think an off-topic list would be nice. I think it would only be benefitial to have a place to talk about off-topic things with other Debian users, especially when the off-topic things have to do with Debian (Which none of today's do, but oh well). I don't know anyone from the Debian team, but maybe if someone knows anyone they could shoot them an e-mail about this? It would be nice to turn debian-user into a mainly OT list, and create another list specifically for technical support. I only use this list to talk about things Debian related, so all most of these off-topic threads are doing is adding un-needed discussions into my already stuffed mailbox. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: REALLY OT: News Flash
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 04:08:35PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 15:55, Michael Pobega wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:35:12PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:19:01 -0500 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to sound stupid, but how does one use this ignore thread feature? I'm pretty new to mailing lists so I'm guessing I respond to the topic and put ignore in the subject header, but I could be wrong and don't want to spam up everyone's inbox. Ignore thread is a feature of the MUA, not of the mailing list. What do you mean by the MUA? Uses Mutt but doesn't know what an MUA is. Hmmm, that's more than slightly unusual. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) MUA - Mail User Agent. Mail client, reader, etc. I've only used Mutt for a day or so now, and I like to do more productive things with my time than learn random acronyms. But thanks for filling me in, that's one I'll be sure to not forget. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:55:21PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/25/07 16:04, John K Masters wrote: There are three definitions in current use: * U.S. liquid gallon is legally defined as 231 in³, which is equal to 3.785411784 liters (exactly) or about 0.13368 cubic feet. This is the most common definition of a gallon. The U.S. fluid ounce is defined as 1/128 of a U.S. gallon. * U.S. dry gallon is one-eighth of a U.S. Winchester bushel of 2150.42 in³, thus 268.8025 in³ (exactly) or 4.40488377086 liters (exactly) * Imperial (UK) gallon is legally defined as 4.54609 litres, which is about 1.2 U.S. liquid gallons. This definition is occasionally used in United Kingdom, and is based on the volume of 10 pounds of water at 62 °F. (A U.S. liquid gallon weighs about 8.33 pounds at the same temperature.) The Imperial fluid ounce is defined as 1/160 of an Imperial gallon. Those damned Brits can't even get the gallon correct!!! Might you not have that a bit backwards? The Brits were around long before the Americans, and have not changed their system. Well, they did change their monetary system, so normal people could count money. Please don't think that the United States of America is the whole world, or has a right to tell the rest of the world what to do. I think Ron was kidding, there's no reason to take an obvious joke like that seriously :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 06:01:06PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 17:37, Joe Hart wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/25/07 16:55, Joe Hart wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/25/07 16:04, John K Masters wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:40:57 +0200 Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:09:40 -0500 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Those damned Brits can't even get the gallon correct!!! Might you not have that a bit backwards? The Brits were around long before the Americans, and have not changed their system. Well, they did change their monetary system, so normal people could count money. Please don't think that the United States of America is the whole world, or has a right to tell the rest of the world what to do. That whistling noise is the joke flying over your head. You're right. I don't get it. Every American *citizen* (I know, I know, some sincere fool is going to pipe up and say that a 4 year old American citizen doesn't know which came first) knows that the UK came before the USA. A four year old American citizen doesn't know which came first. ...Sorry, I couldn't resist. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: acronyms (was Re: REALLY OT:...)
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 07:14:01PM -0500, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:
Michael Pobega wrote:
I've only used Mutt for a day or so now, and I like to do more productive
things with my time than learn random acronyms. But thanks for filling
me in, that's one I'll be sure to not forget.
For finding what an acronym stands for and to find the meaning of english
words, I use the dict program.
$ dict MUA
2 definitions found
From Virtual Entity of Relevant Acronyms (Version 1.9, June 2002) [vera]:
MUA
Mail User Agent
From The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03) [foldoc]:
MUA
{Mail User Agent}
raju
Wow, thanks for that Raju. This dict program is really going to save
me a lot of time googling things :D
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Re: Weird USB problem after Kernel update
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 11:12:18 +0200 Justin Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, me again... Yesterday I upgraded my linux kernel from linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-10) to linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-11). What was weird already when I upgraded was a notification I received from apt telling me that I was trying to upgrade an already installed version in linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 and that I would need to restart immediately after the installation was complete. Like a diligent student I did exactly this and once I logged into Gnome I noticed that my USB mouse no longer functioned correctly. My system picks up the USB mouse but I get a huge lag when trying to move it across the screen. The other strange thing is that if I unplug the USB mouse and insert it into another USB port Gnome doesn't even pickup that I've added my mouse to the new USB port. Even with a very basic installation I have always been able to swap my mouse between USB ports and having it mount and work but now this function is gone. -- Regards Justin Hartman PGP Key ID: 102CC123 Could you still boot into your old kernel? Or is that not a viable option. I'm no expert on kernels and recompiling, but normally when you compile a new one the old one is still in your system until you uninstall it. I'm not sure if this works the same for upgrading your kernel through apt, though. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: sponge burning!
On Sat, Feb 24, 2007 at 01:45:33PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Fri, Feb 23, 2007 at 09:41:10PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/23/07 21:20, Andy Smith wrote: On Fri, Feb 23, 2007 at 05:18:47AM -0500, Stephen wrote: On Thu, Feb 22, 2007 at 01:26:33PM -0800 or thereabouts, Paul Johnson wrote: So...the question BEGS. Why exactly do you have an e-mail address of baloo at something? @ursine.ca (ursine being latin for bear). I'm a furry. http://wiki.ursine.ca/Image:Blackbear-angle.jpeg What I'm curious about is why use a dot ca domain when you aren't even in Canada? What I am curious about is what the majority of postings to this thread are doing on debian-user. Inertia. The justification is that we are users of Debian, and so the occasional well-marked OT mega-thread doesn't involve sanction. This makes it easy for people who don't want to read these threads to ignore them. What I am curious about is how this thread revivied itself after being out of use for a couple of weeks. amazing. it mus be going on 3 or 4 months now (just a guess). A I've always found debian-user to be pretty nice and occasionally off-topic, so it's nice to see a topic like this arise and live a good life once in a while. Being all business is pretty boring in my opinion, everybody has to go OT once in a while. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Daemonizing Wifi-Radar
After around a week of toying with my system, I've successfully migrated from GNOME (Which was feeling too full) to Window Maker, mostly because I wanted a lighter, quicker system. My only problem right now is that I can't Daemonize Wifi-Radar. I tried putting wifi-radar --daemon in my /etc/rcS.d folder but it didn't seem to be working. My ipw3945 wireless drivers are loaded third to last, so I'm thinking I should probably initialize the daemon just before WINGs Display manager loads. Any ideas on how to do this would be helpful, thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Etch installation problem
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:40:57 GMT Marco De Vitis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to install Etch on a new machine, using the net install CD, but I encountered a problem. In short, the install process halts soon after tasksel, with a progress bar stopped at 5%. [...] Thanks. Apparently the Debian Etch RC1 NetInstall is broken[1]. It was reported by multiple people that their installers halted on 5%. The current fix is to use the daily installer build, installing right off of the CD (Without using the net to download packages) [1]http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2007/20070210 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to add kde applets on gnome desktop
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:20:24 +0100 abdelkader belahcene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, in fact I want to add applets not applications, I mean a quick button on the menu bar which is running autmatically. To be more precise I dowonload a kde applets kprayertime( which starts a the given time), on kde desktop I can find this applets in the menu list, and just pick it to put it in the menui. At a given time the applet runs. From the gnome the applets is not on the list so I can't add it to the menu bar. thanks a lot best regards bela I don't quite understand what you want to do. Are you trying to put KDE apps in the GNOME drop down menu? If so you can do this with the Alacarte Menu Editor (Applications - Accessories - Alacarte or Alt+f2 run: alacarte). If you want to add it to the system tray you can always add it into GNOME's start up applications, Desktop/Settings - Preferences - Sessions and add the program to the automatically started programs list. If you meant something else I'm sorry, I just can't fully understand what you're asking. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Etch installation problem
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:19:49 -0500 Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Pobega wrote: Apparently the Debian Etch RC1 NetInstall is broken[1]. It was reported by multiple people that their installers halted on 5%. The current fix is to use the daily installer build, installing right off of the CD (Without using the net to download packages) You're conflating two fixes. *Either* use a daily build *or* if you must use rc2 for some reason, do not let it use the network. I meant the daily netinstall, I'm pretty sure that's the one that works. I may be wrong and would sound pretty stupid if I am, though. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2.6.20 and IP_CONNTRACK_FTP
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:55:30 +0200 David Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Compiled it taking all the defaults on new features. It boots just fine but has fatal ip_tables errors over and over missing this item. Cannot connect to internet. Any ideas? Do I need this and why? Google had something about setting: modprobe ip_conntrack_ftp ports=21,2121 if compiled as a module. So I set the previously unset constant=m and am recompiling. Where would I specify the modprobe arguments? Can't you just add the command into your iptables startup script? I mean, as far as I know your should should just be shell commands. I know mine has it in it, not exactly the same but: #!/bin/sh #set policy on input chain in default (filter) table to drop iptables -P INPUT DROP #flush input chain iptables -F INPUT #load the ftp connection tracker module (otherwise active mode ftp won't work) modprobe ip_conntrack_ftp #accept traffic from established and related connections iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT #allow automatic wireless connection iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT #accept traffic for our webserver iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 8080 -j ACCEPT #accept traffic for zsnes iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 7845 -j ACCEPT -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian on ancient machines
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:46:50 +0100 Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 2007-02-16 03:55:36, schrieb pinniped: Two popular ones I know of are: DSL (damn small linux) which can be installed from a CD - in fact the entire *.iso image is But he can run also http://www.embedian.org/ to stay with Debian. Why would he even need a different distro? Couldn't he just run Debian with XDM and WMaker/Fluxbox? It would work the same, really. I don't have the original message though so maybe I'm missing the point of the topic, but unless he's not stripped for hard drive space he can do what I suggested. My friend has a 128MB RAM/10GB HDD computer that runs fine with Fluxbox, XDM, and his wireless card (NIC). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dual boot wont work
What two operating systems are you dual booting between? Can you get into the other operating system with GRUB or are you completely locked out of your computer? On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:03:15 -0800 (PST) Andreas Jost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Debian, installed by instructions, but as Debian tries to boot from Grub after some while this error message occurs and it stops right there : 6note: kblockd/0[31] exited with preempt_count 1 (this is just the last line I put here) Everything went right during the installation. I manually partitioned the hard drive, allocated 20GB of freespace, automatically partitioned free space, and put all files in one part. The CD ejected and the Grub boot loader started Please could you provide some help. I would really like to put debian on my HD. Best Wishes, Andreas. - Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Sid iceweasel already running when opening second link from T-bird
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:47:20 -0600 Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before yesterday's upgrade of Sid's Iceweasel (and the subsequent creation of a new profile -- I only moved my bookmarks.html from my old profile into the automagically-created new profile, and added Image Zoom, Forefastfox-enhanced, and Adblocker), I could click on a link in Thunderbird and have that link open in a new tab in Iceweasel. Now, if Iceweasel is not running, I can click on a T-bird link and Iceweasel will open to that link. However, if I then click on a second link, I get the error Iceweasel is already running, but it is not responding. To open a new window, you must first close the existing Iceweasel process, or restart your system. Any clues? Thanks! -- Kent West Westing Peacefully http://kentwest.blogspot.com I had this same problem in Debian Etch a while back, and eventually I gave up on the mozilla.org projects. Everytime Iceweasel crashed (Which was every 10 minutes) I had to run /ps aux | grep iceweasel/ and /kill -9 pid, replacing pid with Iceweasel's pid. I never fixed it, and eventually switched from using Iceweasel/Icedove to Galeon/Sylpheed, and I'm a happier man for it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Today's ALSA Update in Etch killed my sound
This morning I logged on to my computer to find that there were a few updates to install. Syslinux, and ALSA are the ones that stood out from memory. So after installing I played around, and accidentally powered down my computer. I've restarted now to find that the ALSA update borked my sound completely, I'm getting nothing. How do I reactivate my sound? This is the first time I've had any sound trouble and I really don't even know where to start. Everything in alsaconfig is turned up to the maximum, and I'm still getting no sound. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apache2 hostname problem
On 20 Feb 2007 04:34:32 -0800 Laser144 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is an error, it should read: VirtualHost *:80 ^ Oops: typo... Corrected it, but still cannot access websites unfortunately. Any other suggestions? Thx, Andy # /etc/init.d/apache2 restart -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
