Mixing 4 audio sources
This is semi off-topic as it's partly a hardware question, but I don't really know a better place to ask. I have a hardware mixer on my desk to connect four sources of audio to one pair of headphones. It's breaking, I need replacement, and I also would like to free up the desk space it's taking, so I'm thinking about mixing on my PC. Is there a way to change what the jacks on my sound card do? Can I somehow use 3 of the jacks as line-in while there is only 1 jack labeled line-in? My Windows PC can do that with a peace of software that comes with Realtek's driver, but I have no idea if that is a software or a hardware feature, if Debian has the tools to do that as well, and if only specific sound cards are capable of that. If it's possible, how do I do it? lspci identifies my current sound card as C-Media Electronics Inc CMI8738/CMI8768 PCI Audio (rev 10), but I'd be fine with buying a new one if that would help. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1435851995.17344.10.ca...@inbox.lv
Iceweasel audio
From: Siard shiems...@kpnplanet.nl Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 17:30:19 +0200 After starting the broadcast, ... Subtle faults can prevent this from working. Here mozplugger wasn't installed and is now. Iceweasel is displaying http://www.cbc.ca/onthecoast/past-episodes/ . The Tools Web Developer Browser Console is open. If the play icon or Listen is clicked, I expect to see something relevant in the Console. All that appears are lines similar to these. GET http://ping.chartbeat.net/ping [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 100ms] GET http://ping.chartbeat.net/ping [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 100ms] Any ideas to make the Browser Console register the links which the browser is tracing? Thanks, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +13606390202 http://easthope.ca/peter.html Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1Z8An5-0001GF-K7@armada
Catching an audio stream.
Hello, I'm interested in the June 22 program listed on this page. http://www.cbc.ca/onthecoast/past-episodes/ Does anyone have a direct way to catch the audio stream in a file using software in jessie? Thanks, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +13606390202 http://easthope.ca/peter.html Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1Z7ksu-OZ-Ub@armada
Re: Catching an audio stream.
From: Siard shiems...@kpnplanet.nl Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 17:30:19 +0200 I could easily get it with the Video DownloadHelper extension in Iceweasel. Finding and installing the DownloadHelper was easy enough. After starting the broadcast, ... The broadcast won't start. After a click on the program, nothing happens. Under Preferences Applications there is AVI video. No mp3. No mp4. Iceweasel must need some other extension. Or another package is needed in the system. Thanks, ... P. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +13606390202 http://easthope.ca/peter.html Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1Z7vYV-O3-F5@armada
Re: Catching an audio stream.
From: Siard shiems...@kpnplanet.nl Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 17:30:19 +0200 I could easily get it with the Video DownloadHelper extension in Iceweasel. Finding and installing the DownloadHelper was easy enough. After starting the broadcast, ... The broadcast won't start. After a click on the program, nothing happens. Something is missing. Under Preferences Applications there is AVI video. No mp3. No mp4. Iceweasel must need ome other extension. Or another package is needed in the system. Thanks, ... P. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +13606390202 http://easthope.ca/peter.html Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1Z7vON-Ns-Pf@armada
Re: System not booting
Thanks Santiago, Issue fixed, bad record in fstab Thanks, Peter Reid Thanks, Peter Reid Web: http://reidweb.com Mobile: +44 78 5281 8850 On 17 June 2015 at 21:49, Peter Reid pe...@reidweb.com wrote: Hi, Good suggestions, I will try those out. However point to note: when I attempt to SSH with any set of credentials to the server, connection is being refused. Nmap of the server also suggests SSH is not running To me this would suggest that the OpenSSH service isn't even running on my server. I'll try the fstab suggestion and get back to you, that might be possible; I have edited it since my last reboot. Thanks, Peter Reid On 17 June 2015 at 21:21, Santiago Vila sanv...@unex.es wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 02:56:46PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote: You can ping but not ssh. This suggests that services are not being started. dmesg confirms this as nothing is showing up after the network is brought up. Hmm, no. My system has ssh running but there are no traces of ssh in dmesg at all. dmesg is only about kernel messages. ssh is userspace and it's logged elsewhere (for example, auth.log) My crazy ideas about what this could be: * A wrong /etc/fstab (systemd is picky about wrong lines in fstab). * Trying to use ssh with password with the user root after /etc/ssh/sshd_config has been updated to allow only public key. If the user is able to boot into rescue mode, adding a suitable /root/.ssh/authorized_keys should be easy. Since this seems to be a virtual machine, hooking up a monitor won't work. [...] Well, the cloud providers I've tested allow you to use a serial console where you can log into the system and use journalctl to see what happened, even if eth0 is down. I would try that. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150617202111.ga16...@cantor.unex.es
System not booting
Hello, I recently rebooted my Debian 8 (Jessie) system, which I upgraded from Wheezy upon the release of Debian 8. I shutdown my system and restarted it, and the system does not appear to be 'booting'. *Description:* The system boots and responds to ping on both IPv4 and IPv6 interfaces, however no network facing services are starting (source: nmap); hence I cannot SSH into the server. *Current Attempts to fix:* I attempted to reboot once more (hard reboot from host control panel), that did not solve the issue. I have since rebooted into my provider's (SoYouStart by OVH) rescue mode, and have found some info in the logs that may be of use *System information:* Debian 8 ( had latest packages installed) - previously Debian 7 Processor: Intel Xeon(R) CPU W3520 @ 2.67GHz RAM: 16096MB HDD: 2 x 2000 GB in mdraid - RAID 1 MOBO: SuperMicro x8STI *Logs* I'm really stuck with this issue, the only log I can think to provide is dmesg, the last few lines are as follows: [ 17.322135] Adding 523260k swap on /dev/sda4. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:523260k [ 17.323280] Adding 523260k swap on /dev/sdb4. Priority:-2 extents:1 across:523260k [ 17.360803] EXT4-fs (md2): re-mounted. Opts: (null) [ 17.589138] EXT4-fs (md2): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro [ 17.661897] loop: module loaded [ 20.080560] EXT4-fs (md3): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) [ 25.899123] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready [ 29.069613] e1000e: eth0 NIC Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex, Flow Control: None [ 29.071646] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready *Moving forward* If any of you can be of assistance I would greatly appreciate it, I can provide log files upon request also. I would really like to get my system back on line as soon as possible, as I need it for my work next week. Thanks, Peter Reid
Re: System not booting
Hi, Good suggestions, I will try those out. However point to note: when I attempt to SSH with any set of credentials to the server, connection is being refused. Nmap of the server also suggests SSH is not running To me this would suggest that the OpenSSH service isn't even running on my server. I'll try the fstab suggestion and get back to you, that might be possible; I have edited it since my last reboot. Thanks, Peter Reid On 17 June 2015 at 21:21, Santiago Vila sanv...@unex.es wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 02:56:46PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote: You can ping but not ssh. This suggests that services are not being started. dmesg confirms this as nothing is showing up after the network is brought up. Hmm, no. My system has ssh running but there are no traces of ssh in dmesg at all. dmesg is only about kernel messages. ssh is userspace and it's logged elsewhere (for example, auth.log) My crazy ideas about what this could be: * A wrong /etc/fstab (systemd is picky about wrong lines in fstab). * Trying to use ssh with password with the user root after /etc/ssh/sshd_config has been updated to allow only public key. If the user is able to boot into rescue mode, adding a suitable /root/.ssh/authorized_keys should be easy. Since this seems to be a virtual machine, hooking up a monitor won't work. [...] Well, the cloud providers I've tested allow you to use a serial console where you can log into the system and use journalctl to see what happened, even if eth0 is down. I would try that. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150617202111.ga16...@cantor.unex.es
Re: Disk failure, XFS shutting down, trying to recover as much as possible
Always consider using ddrescue [1] instead of dd - especially once you are not sure about the state of the drive. Tool ddrescue is taking 'dd' image of the drive, but will skip all the areas where the read will return an error. Standard 'dd' will try to continuously re-read that area which could cause more damages. Have fun! ;-) [1] http://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/ -- Peter On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 1:20 AM, David Christensen dpchr...@holgerdanske.com wrote: On 06/11/2015 12:32 AM, Alejandro Exojo wrote: Yesterday I found out that my extra disk shut down. I don't know what steps to follow from now on. I'm searching online about the error as I found in the logs, and I don't know what steps to follow. ... I don't know where to proceed from here. The error seems hardware, but I'm not totally sure. After that, what should I try to do to recover as much as possible? I'm reading about ddrescue now. I don't have space in the other partitions to hold all the data in the failed disk, but I'm only interested in recovering some parts of it as safely as possible. Should I just buy a new disk, try to replicate the original one there, and find out which files are damaged? Or should I create an image as a file stored somewhere else? 1. Buy a large disk that you can use for backups. I use 3 TB Seagate ST3000DM001 because they have the best gigabyte/dollar ratio that I am aware of. 2. Try to mount the file system and backup your files. If you can't get the filesystem mounted, copy the raw disk image to a file using 'dd'. You might have to get the image in pieces using the 'skip' and 'seek' options. 3. Download the disk drive manufacturer's diagnostic toolset and run it. For example: http://www.seagate.com/support/downloads/seatools/ David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/557a17a5.2090...@holgerdanske.com
Re (2): VoIP in jessie
* From: Ric Moore c:2239:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default:0 ALSA lib conf.c:4705:(snd_config_expand) Unknown parameters 0 ALSA lib pcm.c:2239:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default:0 ALSA lib conf.c:4705:(snd_config_expand) Unknown parameters 1 ALSA lib control.c:953:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL default:1 ALSA lib conf.c:4705:(snd_config_expand) Unknown parameters 1 ALSA lib pcm.c:2239:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default:1 ALSA lib conf.c:4705:(snd_config_expand) Unknown parameters 1 ALSA lib pcm.c:2239:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default:1 Segmentation fault peter@dalton:~$ Might help to set the CTL default to 1. Will try baresip before more of this. Thanks for the suggestion, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +13606390202 http://easthope.ca/peter.html Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1Z08lF-00037T-8f@dalton.invalid
Re (2): VoIP in jessie
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Re: VoIP in jessie
you should first build the re and rem lib debs and then install them ... https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ , chapters 4, 5 and 6, help to understand how package building works. ... (including dev packages). then build baresip package and install it. I don't understand how a dev package is built. libre-dev for example. There is no -dev option for dpkg-buildpackage. Thanks,... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +13606390202 http://easthope.ca/peter.html Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1Yzz9D-0003Y6-1K@dalton.invalid
Re: VoIP in jessie
* From: Juha Heinanen xr-xr-x 1 root staff 1052876 May 25 22:47 /usr/local/lib/libre.so peter@armada:~$ Where do you keep librem.so and etc.? Thanks again, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +13606390202 http://easthope.ca/peter.html Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1Yx8Em-mt-L8@armada
Re: VoIP in jessie
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Re: VoIP in jessie
* From: Juha Heinanen le. root@armada:/home/peter# gdebi baresip-0.4.12/debian/control Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Building data structures... Done Install Build-Dependencies for source package '' that builds Do you want to install the software package? [y/N]:y dpkg-deb: error: `baresip-0.4.12/debian/control' is not a debian format archive dpkg: error processing archive baresip-0.4.12/debian/control (--install): subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2 Errors were encountered while processing: baresip-0.4.12/debian/control root@armada:/home/peter# Any further tips? Thanks, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +13606390202 http://easthope.ca/peter.html Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1YxHQB-000251-Cp@armada
VoIP in jessie
Can anyone recommend a VoIP for jessie which doesn't depend upon pulseaudio? A VoIP with minimal features and dependancies. In squeeze, Twinkle worked. In wheezy, linphone worked. But Linphone depends upon pulseaudio which appears to be the culprit breaking audio in jessie. Ref. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=487719 Thanks,... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +13606390202 http://easthope.ca/peter.html Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1YwZ54-0004fE-DU@armada
Re: How to type in Chinese?
Everything works fine now. Thanks to 张启德(Zhang Qide)I hope this mail will attach at the right place in the discussion.with friendly greetings,Peter
How to type in Chinese?
Hello,I would like to type Chinese in Debian Jessie, Cinnamon, for LibreOffice, TexShop, for my lessons Chinese.In windows, MacOS, I can point to an icon, a window pops up, I can choose pinyin.After that: when I type shi, a window pops up with all the possibilities to choose from. How can I arrange that in my type of Debian?Is there a script? Because, when I read all the web sites about this subject, I get lost. It is exhaustive, but too difficult.Please help me with specific and automatic what-to-do.Peter
Laptop automatically sleeps on lid close in Jessie
Hi all, I recently upgraded to Jessie to fix another problem I posted about on the list, and it went swimmingly (much to my relief as I'd never performed a dist-upgrade before). Now when I close my laptop lid, it automatically goes to sleep, which would be fine except it has never been able to recover from sleep. It didn't do this until I upgraded. I tried removing the pm-utils package which had been left over from last time I tried to get sleep working, but it still does it. How do I stop this behavior? Alternatively, I would appreciate some advice for properly testing/configuring suspend for my hardware. Last time I tried, I remember playing with the config haphazardly for about an hour before giving up. I have an IBM Thinkpad T42. Thanks, Pete -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87sibmomij@enterprise.kinaa.net
Re: Unable to install owncloud-client in wheezy
What command were you using? Please say what command you were trying to run when you were trying to install owncloud. Sorry, I thought it could be safely assumed I was using apt-get install owncloud-client Of course none of those install owncloud. Yes, thank you. Those were various proposed solutions from googling about held broken packages. I never claimed they were supposed to install owncloud, but possibly solve some underlying issue. Did you forget the -t option? It appears to me that you are trying to install owncloud from backports. Are you installing from backports? Or from some place else. If from backports then you don't show it but you need to include the -t backports option. I'm not trying to install from backports, although apt-get install -t wheezy-backports owncloud-client gives the same results. Here it looks like you are trying to install from owncloud.org not Debian. If you are trying to install from owncloud.org then it looks like a bug in owncloud's package that they are depending upon something that doesn't exist anymore. They have an exact dependency, the (= part, which is fragile. If you are trying to install their packages then you need to get them involved for supporting them. I actually added that as an attempt to solve the initial problem, which still presents itself now that I have removed the file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/owncloud.list entirely. I don't think the problem has to do with the exact dependency, as that package does exist with that version in the repo, but that libocsync0 does not exist. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87383qqybc@enterprise.kinaa.net
Unable to install owncloud-client in wheezy
Hi all, I'm trying to install owncloud-client-cmd in wheezy and I get the following: -- Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: owncloud-client-cmd : Depends: libowncloudsync0 (= 1.5.0+dfsg-4~bpo70+1) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libocsync0 (= 0.91.0) but it is not installable E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. -- The output of 'apt-cache policy libocsync0': -- libocsync0: Installed: (none) Candidate: (none) Version table: -- My sources.list file: -- deb http://debian.osuosl.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free deb-src http://debian.osuosl.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main # wheezy-updates, previously known as 'volatile' deb http://debian.osuosl.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main deb-src http://debian.osuosl.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main # backports deb http://debian.osuosl.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main # zandronum deb http://debian.drdteam.org/ stable multiverse # torproject deb http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org wheezy main deb-src http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org wheezy main -- And I also have this in sources.list.d/owncloud.list, per owncloud.org: deb http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/isv:ownCloud:community/Debian_7.0/ / Things I've done: - apt-get update apt-get upgrade - apt-get clean - apt-get -f - dpkg --configure -a I'm not really versed in the finer points of debian, so forgive me if I've missed something obvious or done some unnecessary things. I've been poking about on forum posts for a little while. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87wq12r8al@enterprise.kinaa.net
Re: bash, dash and sh
Hi Jeremy, not sure whether you are aware of checkbashisms tool (part of devscripts package). That could help you to learn how to write POSIX compliant scripts. Others helped you much more. :-) On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 5:02 AM, jeremy bentham d...@eskimo.com wrote: I am finally abandonning my fifteen-year-old computer and Lenny for a six (?) year old used Gateway 2802 (as a Bad Consumer (tm) I never buy anything new if I can avoid it) and, right now, it has a start at Wheezy on it. I happened to read on another list, and then verified for myself, that /bin/sh is now a link to dash, instead of bash. If I cd /bin sudo rm sh; ln -s bash sh will I break a bunch of stuff? I have a bunch of scripts (ls -1 ~/bin | wc 138 139 1302) with the first line #!/bin/sh that use bashisms, and the above would be a lot easier than editing each one (of course, maybe just editing each one would be easier than doing this ;-) ). -- Dave WilliamsIn order to save you from the terrorists, we d...@eskimo.com need to find out about your sex life. And we've got the technology to do it! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150423030228.GS14392@benny
Re: Unable to install owncloud-client in wheezy
Ah, I didn't realize that it had to be from backports only. I guess I'll upgrade to Jessie then. Thanks for the help! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87h9s6ql7n@enterprise.kinaa.net
Re: apt-offline usage
From: franc...@avalenn.eu Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2015 16:55:01 +0200 isolated$ apt-offline set --update ... networked$ apt-offline get ... isolated$ apt-offline install isolated$ apt-offline set --upgrade ... networked$ apt-offline get ... isolated$ apt-offline install ... isolated$ apt-get upgrade Appears OK until apt-get upgrade. For example; root@joule:~# apt-get upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. root@joule:/# dpkg -l openssl Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name Version Architecture Description +++-==---= ii openssl1.0.1e-2+deb i386 Secure Socket Layer (SSL) binary Whereas a newer deb file certainly is available locally. root@joule:/# ls /var/cache/apt/archives/open* /var/cache/apt/archives/openssl_1.0.1k-3_i386.deb I've found no mention of sources in any apt-offline documentation. For apt-offline set ... and apt-offline get ... sources.list should refer to a networked source. For apt-offline install ... sources.list should refer to the local files in isolated:/var/cache/apt/archives/. No mention of this in the manual. Regards, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +13606390202 http://easthope.ca/peter.html Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1YjgR2-Np-DN@armada
Re: starting mgetty
From: Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 22:24:30 -0600 Fun retro! :-) For sure. What's old is new again. http://www.inf.ethz.ch/personal/wirth/ProjectOberon/SourcesVerilog/RS232T.v What clues are found in the mgetty debug log file? I won't be at the site again for a few days. As I recall, nothing pertinent in /var/log/mgetty . As if mgetty wasn't invoked. Try cranking up the debug level. Nothing from that. Do you have it connected to a modem? A modem is on ttyS0 and the serial crossover on ttyS1. If not then do you have -r to avoid the modem initialization? Yes, the crossover connection is data only. Both connections worked a few years back. From: Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 22:27:02 -0600 I assume Peter is having ppp on one end login to the other end at the login: prompt as the ppp user which starts up the pppd as the login shell on the other end. ... Before ethernet that was quite a common way to network two computers on the local site. Exactly. In absence of a driver for an Ethernet adapter, serial crossover with PPP is quite effective. After starting mgetty interactively, the required files were moved across. The problem is not an immediate concern but would be nice to solve for future use. Thanks,... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1YdkmQ-T5-0g@armada
Re: apt-offline usage
From: franc...@avalenn.eu Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2015 13:40:25 +0100 If I remember correctly but this is from memory from 3 or 4 years ago it is possible to need two round-trip between networked and isolated server : isolated$ apt-offline set --update ... networked$ apt-offline get ... isolated$ apt-offline install isolated$ apt-offline set --install $package ... networked$ apt-offline get ... isolated$ apt-offline install ... isolated$ apt-get install $package That installs $package with no difficulty. Good! Thanks! My understanding is that apt-offline install filename.bundle upgrades the cache of data needed for the upgrade but doesn't perform the upgrade. apt-get install package upgrades a specific package. To upgrade all packages available from the bundle I tried apt-get install *. * is expanded to files and directories in the current directory. Definitely not the intention. apt-get upgrade attempts to access network sources which also is not the intention. How is an upgrade from the local cache invoked? Thanks, ... P. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1Ydjrz-Qk-EE@armada
Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)
Instead we will soon have GNU/systemd, [a] much simpler, unified platform. GNU/systemd will be a better target for third-party developers and easier to support. What? Foolish guys... Reading behind the words - no cooperation, discussion and respect, we will take over! Completely wrong... Would like to read official answer and plans from Debian project. With some clarification of possible impact on security and Debian itself (who will audit their kernel?). On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Patrick Bartek nemomm...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 30 Mar 2015, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150330#community Or is it serious ? I'm not laughing. B -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150330090013.3f77f...@debian7.boseck208.net
Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)
argh :-) this will definitely be one of the best for long time :-D On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 31 March 2015 08:21:12 Peter Viskup wrote: Instead we will soon have GNU/systemd, [a] much simpler, unified platform. GNU/systemd will be a better target for third-party developers and easier to support. What? Foolish guys... Reading behind the words - no cooperation, discussion and respect, we will take over! Completely wrong... Would like to read official answer and plans from Debian project. With some clarification of possible impact on security and Debian itself (who will audit their kernel?). You're not going to get it. The whole thing was an April Fool joke released early. It will live in memory like the spaghetti trees. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghetti-tree_hoax Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201503310925.06451.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: (ssh) Connection closed by
Could be your ssh client proposing ciphers the SSH server doesn't understand. This was known issue with communication of ssh client 5+ to ssh server 4.x and older. Give it a try and let us know. http://www.held.org.il/blog/2011/05/the-myterious-case-of-broken-ssh-client-connection-reset-by-peer/ On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Pol Hallen de...@fuckaround.org wrote: hey all :-) unfortunately I don't have access to ssh server, I can only see: Platform: i586-pc-linux-gnu Compiled with: liblua-5.2.3 openssl-1.0.1k libpcre-8.35 libpcap-1.6.2 nmap-libdnet-1.12 ipv6 Compiled without: Available nsock engines: epoll poll select ssh -vvvl user ip debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: first_kex_follows 0 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: reserved 0 debug2: mac_setup: setup hmac-sha1 debug1: kex: server-client 3des-cbc hmac-sha1 none debug2: mac_setup: setup hmac-sha1 debug1: kex: client-server 3des-cbc hmac-sha1 none debug2: bits set: 502/1024 debug1: sending SSH2_MSG_KEXDH_INIT debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEXDH_REPLY Connection closed by IP any idea to solve? Thanks! Pol -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/551942a6.6080...@fuckaround.org
Re: OT: bashfråga
j...@lillahusetiskogen.se: Skulle naturligtvis kunna skriva ett C-program som ger mig exakt det men jag skulle vilja göra det i ett bash-script. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=cut+newline+from+end+of+line+linux+bash ger mig: date +%Y%m%d_%H%M%S | xargs echo -n Fast det ger tre binärer (date, xargs och echo), då kanske Perl kan vara snabbare: perl -e 'use POSIX;print strftime(%Y%m%d_%H%M%S,localtime)' -- \\// Peter - http://www.softwolves.pp.se/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.00.1503301506550.31...@ds9.cixit.se
Re: Redirect HTTPS with Squid3+Squidguard
Unfortunately we are living in real (not ideal) world and there are cases where the SSL split is definitely needed or should be considered at least. For example Squid 3.5 coming with new design of SSLBump allowing to do some inspection of the connection prior the real SSLSplit. That gives you possibilities to deeply inspect only traffic which you will recognize as suspicious. http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/SslPeekAndSplice Of course users needs to be properly informed about such technology deployed in the environment. That listing of SW providing https inspection on cert.org is meaningless as all today's antivirus SW providing this feature - which can be disabled of course...like for most of the products listed there. On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 1:32 AM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: Michael Graham wrote: Reco wrote: Ow. Exactly which kind of consumer-grade hardware comes with SSL bump preinstalled? That's very interesting to me as I like know which hardware to avoid in the future. It's way more common than you seem to think. CERT recently did a blog post about it and it contains a list of both hardware vendors (like Bloxx and bluecoat) as well as commercial and free software. http://www.cert.org/blogs/certcc/post.cfm?EntryID=221 Basically if you're selling a web filter or similar security device, you let admins bump SSL. There are certainly many products that one can buy that do SSL inspection. No one is saying otherwise. That wasn't the question. But are any of those commonly used consumer devices? If someone walks into Fries or Best Buy and spends less than $100 for a home firewall router such as a Linksys, Netgear, D-Link then I doubt it is going to crack open SSL. I doubt they do because doing so would require additional CAs to be installed on user's tablets and other systems downstream and that requires too much support and hand-holding. Most users would be immediately confused, would consider the device broken, would return it without ever knowing that were making the right decision of avoiding it but without ever understanding the details. Therefore consumer devices aren't going to go there. Given how easy it is for those same admins to push the fake SSL CAs out over active directory group policy it's pretty much transparent to most naive users who don't understand the difference between https and http never mind trying to explain a MITM proxy with a fake root CA! Agreed in the corporate environments. They have control over the users equipment. They often require and issue employees with company laptops. For that type of environment they can do anything. The warning is clear. Don't use your company laptop for your non-work anything. It isn't secure. Use your own computer, laptop, tablet, phone for your banking and anything that needs security. Bob
Re: cronproblem
j...@lillahusetiskogen.se: Jag har editerat med crontab -e och lagt in 30 * * * * root touch /data/hejsan, men inget händer. Vad har jag missat? crontab -e som vanlig användare? Då är det sjätte fältet kommandot som ska köras, dvs. du försöker köra root touch /data/hejsan vilket jag misstänker inte fungerar så bra. Formatet med användar-id används i /etc/cron.d Dagens tips: Lägg till raden MAILTO=din@adress överst i crontab-filen, så att status-meddelandet skickas till rätt epostadress. -- \\// Peter - http://www.softwolves.pp.se/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.11.1503272006040.9...@perkele.intern.softwolves.pp.se
Re: Redirect HTTPS with Squid3+Squidguard
Without the SSL splitting the only option is to install some software on the client side. Some endpoint security software doing the inspection of the web data transfers on the fly before they pass the TLS tunnel. It's the same like SSL split on Squid, but let's say more transparent. Unfortunately I don't know any such software for Linux - all of those I know are for Windows as this OS has API for that spying. Can mention two for all of them: - Kaspersky Internet Security - Eset Endpoint Security These are my favorites, but there are other SWs available. The open source and best way to protect children is the proxy with SSLBump. Have a look on Untangle [1] for complete FW solution with the SSLBump feature. [1] www.untangle.com On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Michael I. linux-michae...@abwesend.de wrote: Sven Hartge s...@svenhartge.de wrote: Michael I. linux-michae...@abwesend.de wrote: But I have a new problem, I want to have a transparent proxy for http this works fine but when I add the iptables rule for https the loading won't work. Of course not. That this is not working is the _whole point_ of any end-to-end encrypted connection. What you are effectivly trying to do is an Man-in-the-Middle attack. All I want is to protect children of harmful content (adult content). You cannot transparently proxy *any* encrypted connection without major trickery, like I wrote in my first mail. You would need a fake CA certificate (why this is a _very_ bad idea you just have to look at the latest CNNIC and MSC debacle: (sorry, German URL) https://www.psw-group.de/blog/cnnic-signiert-falsche- google-zertifikate/2112 or http://www.heise.de/security/meldung/Google-deckt-erneut- Missbrauch-im-SSL-Zertifizierungssystem-auf-2583414.html), and have your proxy terminate the end-to-end encryption by issuing a fake certificate on the fly, so that the client is satisfied and then create another new encrypted connection to the intended end-point. There _are_ security appliances out there which work in that way but they are considered _very_ *very* bad practice and should be avoided at all costs. I don't want to fake a CA certificate because the danger. Is there any other way to block those sites? Maybe block the IPs in the firewall, but I think this is a big hassle? Grüße, Sven. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/551403f7.7080...@abwesend.de
Re: Redirect HTTPS with Squid3+Squidguard
It's the way you look at. For me it's about prevention...your child can click on some link somewhere and see some pictures/videos which will remain in his/her mind (let's say) forever and can harm even if it was only seconds they were seen...I am speaking about children less than 15 years old...and even older children needs protection. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Sascha Steinmann (adremes GmbH Co KG) steinm...@adremes.com wrote: I agree 100% with Reco. Don't use technical Stuff to protect your children. Learn them to use their Brain, to protect their self. It's the most important thing, when u sit in front of a Computer. When u want to block adult content u have to block 80% of the entire visible web. And you will spend your evenings to make your blacklists up2date. Greetings Sascha -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Reco [mailto:recovery...@gmail.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. März 2015 13:52 An: debian-user@lists.debian.org Betreff: Re: Redirect HTTPS with Squid3+Squidguard Hi. On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 13:21:57 +0100 Peter Viskup skupko...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, just jumped into SSLBump/Split features some months ago. I don't find these features harmful. Especially when protecting your children from access of YouTube or other possibly harmful sites. Once you are logged with Google account they redirect your communication to https which makes the inspection not possible. The Squid's SSLBump/Split (whose name in latest version SslPeekAndSplice) is the only feature which will make the inspection happen. This means there are still some cases where this feature is very helpful and the only one freely available. If you're considering that spying on your own children is a good idea - I don't even know what to say. They solve such problems here by educating children, not limiting their internet access. Besides, if a child would really want to bypass such access control - he or she will find a way sooner or later (hint - a cellphone, for instance). The only good usage of SSL Bump in my book is reverse-engineering certain proprietary applications. Recp -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150326155150.246957029666332067526...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/f6da57c02758bb41bf462233ad62bf9265836...@ex10mbox1e.hosting.inetserver.de
Re: Redirect HTTPS with Squid3+Squidguard
Hi, just jumped into SSLBump/Split features some months ago. I don't find these features harmful. Especially when protecting your children from access of YouTube or other possibly harmful sites. Once you are logged with Google account they redirect your communication to https which makes the inspection not possible. The Squid's SSLBump/Split (whose name in latest version SslPeekAndSplice) is the only feature which will make the inspection happen. This means there are still some cases where this feature is very helpful and the only one freely available. -- Peter Viskup On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Sven Hartge s...@svenhartge.de wrote: Michael I. linux-michae...@abwesend.de wrote: But I have a new problem, I want to have a transparent proxy for http this works fine but when I add the iptables rule for https the loading won't work. Of course not. That this is not working is the _whole point_ of any end-to-end encrypted connection. What you are effectivly trying to do is an Man-in-the-Middle attack. You cannot transparently proxy *any* encrypted connection without major trickery, like I wrote in my first mail. You would need a fake CA certificate (why this is a _very_ bad idea you just have to look at the latest CNNIC and MSC debacle: (sorry, German URL) https://www.psw-group.de/blog/cnnic-signiert-falsche-google-zertifikate/2112 or http://www.heise.de/security/meldung/Google-deckt-erneut-Missbrauch-im-SSL-Zertifizierungssystem-auf-2583414.html), and have your proxy terminate the end-to-end encryption by issuing a fake certificate on the fly, so that the client is satisfied and then create another new encrypted connection to the intended end-point. There _are_ security appliances out there which work in that way but they are considered _very_ *very* bad practice and should be avoided at all costs. Grüße, Sven. -- Sigmentation fault. Core dumped. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/11bg3gmtro...@mids.svenhartge.de
Re: Redirect HTTPS with Squid3+Squidguard
Hello Reco, On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. And just as well child can see a naughty picture on TV. Or a phone ad. Or a magazine/newspaper. Anywhere, once you start thinking about it. And that's just sad, disturbingly and one of the main reasons of so many people facing porn addiction. Whatever damage is done depends on child's state of mind, which is influenced by his/her prior education. Which, for the most part, should be (IMO) provided by parents first, and society (friends, school, whatever) - second. First would recommend you to read something about the psychology of children. And internet censorship is not a substitute of education. The only thing that censorship can teach is how to workaround it. Or that one's parents are complete insert_some_profanity_here. Is that how you want your children to perceive you? From this point of view all aspects of parenting are censorship. It's not about the government internet censorship - differentiate between parenting and freedom protection and well - I didn't tell the education is not needed. Besides, what's up with this 15 years mark? Just as an example - no other meaning, everybody can choose its own number. ;-) My last sentence to this thread - read The Little Prince a lot and once you will understand what's all this about probably and then you will be ready for reading Citadelle. Yes - I know - too much pathetic for somebody...
starting mgetty
Traditionally, mgetty was started with a line such as this in /etc/inittab. T0:23:respawn:/sbin/mgetty ttyS1 Not working in wheezy and this seems relevant. From: Don Armstrong d...@debian.org Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 11:15:32 -0800 Message-id: 20150222191532.gm6...@teltox.donarmstrong.com 1. The CTTE determined in #727708 that systemd should be the default init system in Debian. Also root@dalton:~# dpkg -l | grep systemd ii libsystemd-login0:i386 44-11+deb7u4 i386 systemd login utility library But root@dalton:~# ls /bin/systemd ls: cannot access /bin/systemd: No such file or directory The mgetty documents don't help. How should mgetty be started automatically these days? Thanks, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1YarcP-0002D5-90@dalton.invalid
Re: starting mgetty
From: Reco recovery...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 01:49:35 +0300 Are you trying to setup a dial-up old fashioned way? PPP over a serial crossover cable between two machines. If mgetty is started interactively by root, PPP works, including PAP. I haven't found any effect when the mgetty command is in /etc/inittab. In Debian it's customary to use getty for the serial console. mgetty provides the ringback protocol. For years that allowed dialin to a modem on ttyS0. The crossover cable with PPP was on ttyS1. For now I can live with the interactive connection startup. Thanks, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1YavoC-0003ej-Du@dalton.invalid
Re: X11/Thinkpad T430: partially drops input from USB devices after resume
On Sat, 21 Mar 2015, stefan.schwar...@gmx.net wrote: I am using my laptop (lenovo T430, debian testing) regularly in a docking station. The dock has a USB keyboard, USB mouse and monitor permanently attached. The laptops suspends from time to time, and _after_ resuming X11 or some other system component the input from USB mouse and keyboard to be dropped/ignored partially. Symptoms are that the cursor does not move with the mouse, however it will start moving again if I click any of the mouse buttons; or that the keyboard input is ignored until I hit some arbitrary keys very rapidly. The USB amnesia starts again if I leave the input device untouched for some seconds. The issue will not occur for newly connected devices or if I reconnect mouse/keyboard. The dock is not the issue as I can reproduce the phenomenon with a USB mouse directly connected to the laptop. I have no clue what could be going on... Probably a USB autosuspend issue. Do you have laptop-mode-tools installed? If yes, can you get rid of it and re-test? -- | .''`. ** Debian ** Peter Palfrader | : :' : The universal http://www.palfrader.org/ | `. `' Operating System | `-http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150321074954.gh18...@anguilla.noreply.org
Re: apt-offline usage
* From: franc...@avalenn.eu * Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2015 13:40:25 +0100 isolated$ apt-offline set --install-packages $package networked$ apt-offline get ... isolated$ apt-offline install ... isolated$ apt-get install $package That works. Thanks! An optimistic reader might take man apt-offline to mean that apt-offline install will install the package. The example should include the apt-get install. Thanks again, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1YY2RD-Mi-6Z@armada
Re: apt-offline usage
* From: franc...@avalenn.eu * Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2015 13:40:25 +0100 isolated$ apt-offline set --install-packages $package networked$ apt-offline get ... isolated$ apt-offline install ... isolated$ apt-get install $package Yes; that works. Thanks! An optimistic reader might take man apt-offline to mean that apt-offline install will install the package. The example could include apt-get install. Thanks again, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1YY2LH-MZ-4N@armada
Subject: Re: svn, subversion, repos
From: Frédéric Marchal frederic.marc...@wowtechnology.com Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 09:28:10 +0100 I store the repositories in /var/svn/repos to make them available for browsing ... On my server, the repositories can only be created by root. ... All very helpful. Thanks. If you want to let users administer the svn repositories, ... The repos here are only for personal use. Thanks again, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1YVkYs-0003qd-G7@dalton.invalid
svn, subversion, repos
http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.7/svn.reposadmin.create.html has $ # Create a repository $ svnadmin create /var/svn/repos $ In wheezy this fails of course. Is /var writeable by users in any widely used Linux? peter@dalton:/var$ svnadmin create svn/repos svnadmin: Repository creation failed svnadmin: Could not create top-level directory svnadmin: Can't create directory 'svn/repos': No such file or directory No mention of repos in /usr/share/doc/subversion/README.Debian. Nothing obvious in wiki.debian.org. Nothing in https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/fhs/fhs-2.3.html. Is there a common practise in Debian? Write permission on /var? repos in /home/user/? Thanks, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1YV2C5-TB-KN@dalton.invalid
Re: apt-offline usage
From: Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2015 01:36:50 +1300 If you are only going to install one package, why not just download the deb file and use dpkg to install it? When apt-offline is being used to update a system and an additional package is needed, --install is efficacious. Also, apt-offline claims to solve dependancies automatically. peter@armada:~$ man apt-offline | grep depend based system. It can be used to download packages and its dependencies The tip I can offer is follow the directions. See above. Regards, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1YTv4C-LA-QK@armada
upgrade versus update.
I get that dist-upgrade is the replacement of a distribution by the subsequent distribution. Replacement of wheezy by jessie for example. What is meant by upgrade? In many places it appears to be synonymous with update. For example, googling site:debian.org update upgrade yields, https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades Running unattended-upgrades: Its[sic] purpose is to keep the computer current with the latest security (and other) updates automatically. Regards, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1YTvVF-Mf-EK@armada
apt-offline usage
On isolated machine, joule. peter@joule:~$ apt-offline set aptoffline.joule.sig --verbose --update \ --install-packages rsync On networked machine, armada. peter@armada:~$ apt-offline get aptoffline.joule.sig --verbose \ --bundle aptoffline.joule.bundle On joule again. peter@joule:~$ apt-offline install aptoffline.joule.bundle --verbose \ --allow-unauthenticated ... peter@joule:~$ which rsync peter@joule:~$ Has anyone had any luck using apt-offline to install a package? Any tips? Thanks, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1YTkrE-MV-Fp@armada
user mounting a filesystem; was Re: ld.so.nohwcap and ld.so.preload; was Re: mounting a labeled filesystem.
From: Reco recovery...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 09:31:14 +0300 In that case a correct way of doing this is: mount -v LABEL=GRNSDHC41 Output is independent of the -v option. peter@dalton:~$ mount -v -t ext2 LABEL=GRNSDHC41 mount: only root can do that peter@dalton:~$ mount-t ext2 LABEL=GRNSDHC41 mount: only root can do that Regards, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1YR0HO-0001ea-Uu@dalton.invalid
ld.so.nohwcap and ld.so.preload; was Re: mounting a labeled filesystem.
* From: Darac Marjal /etc/ld.so.cache, O_RDONLY) = 3 access(/etc/ld.so.nohwcap, F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open(/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libblkid.so.1, O_RDONLY) = 3 access(/etc/ld.so.nohwcap, F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open(/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libselinux.so.1, O_RDONLY) = 3 access(/etc/ld.so.nohwcap, F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open(/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libsepol.so.1, O_RDONLY) = 3 ld.so.nohwcap and ld.so.preload in /etc? According to https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/fhs/fhs-2.3.html libraries belong in /lib or in /usr/lib. Does anyone recognize this problem? Thanks, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1YQd6J-0004Bu-Cy@dalton.invalid
Re: ld.so.nohwcap and ld.so.preload; was Re: mounting a labeled filesystem.
From: Reco recovery...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 18:53:02 +0300 This is an expected result regardless of what you're trying to achieve. Trying to understand why I can't mount a filesystem on an SDHC while /etc/fstab has the user option. The details are in the original message here. E1YAfor-0002T2-Qg@dalton.invalid This strace output shows that there are no such files there (ENOENT means exactly this). OK. At first I took the absence of ld.so.nohwcap and ld.so.preload to be an error. Apparently not. So I'll reconsider the problem. Thanks, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1YQobe-0007Vy-LU@dalton.invalid
Re: fakeroot to build a package?
The first seems to be quick and not-detailed tutorial. The others are more detailed descriptions. What package failed that first approach, in which step and what was the error message? Anyway I found it quite hard to went through the understanding the debian packaging by myself. There are many tools and ways to do the same thing. Still don't know all the details. -- Peter On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Eugene Zhukov jevgeni...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I came across this building tutorial [1]. It advertises using fakeroot debian/rules binary command to build a package. Needless to say it doesn't work for all packages. I find this tutorial confusing. I know of two other IMHO better pages on the topic [2] and [3]. Did I miss something or the first wiki needs fixing.? [1] https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingTutorial [2] https://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging [3] https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ Thanks, Eugene -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/capqgmfjq5t3+gccz52cq5fcwvqaej-bft7cciggjawdnx_p...@mail.gmail.com
NFS server write issues using netgroup
Would like to discuss the issue I am facing before opening bug report. NFS System: latest Debian Jessie NFS: nfs-kernel-server 1:1.2.8-9 Export config: /data/folder @clients(rw,no_subtree_check,root_squash) Netgroup config: root@media:~# cat /etc/netgroup clients (dm800,-,), (laptop,-,) root@media:~# grep netgroup /etc/nsswitch.conf netgroup: files I don't have rw access to mounted folder. Once migrated to configuration without netgroup the permissions allow rw access as expected. Name resolution is ok, mounting works. Am I missing or overlooked something? -- Peter
Re: Linux based cellphones?
be careful with that as seems there is no working kernel at the moment - ask guys at Golden Delicious. And even the QTMoko dissapeared and the other distribution SHR is dead too. Unfortunately nobody taking care to continue this work. Take a look at Jolla or FirefoxOS devices. I would propose you the FirefoxOS as it seems most promising open sourced OS for mobile devices build on top of Linux and Gecko kernels. https://jolla.com https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/os/devices/ Unfortunately none of those are completely open sourced. The last one was the OpenMoko GTA02. GTA04 has some closed sourced components AFAIK, but check with them. -- Peter Viskup On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Now that seems nifty. Thanks for it. Kare On Fri, 30 Jan 2015, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: Karen Lewellen writes: I did not mean destros. I meant actually put into hardware and sold devices. Thanks again for all the answers. Has Golden Delicious be suggested? They sell a board GTA04 that fits in the original openmoko case. http://www.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=Products -- /\ ___Ubuntu: ancient /___/\_|_|\_|__|___Gian Uberto Lauri_ African word //--\| | \| | Integralista GNUslamicomeaning I can \/ coltivatore diretto di software not install già sistemista a tempo (altrui) perso...Debian Warning: gnome-config-daemon considered more dangerous than GOTO -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/21707.18695.736668.429...@mail.eng.it
Re: glibc bug - time to patch
before considering downtimes and patching activities on production servers read these: https://www.debian.org/security/2015/dsa-3142 http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2015/q1/283 especially the second link mention network-facing software which is not vulnerable due to proper sanitization out of glibc. On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 1:20 PM, i...@thargoid.co.uk wrote: Hey all, For those that do not know about this yet, seems that glibc has a nasty bug in it that should probably be patched. Wheezy and squeeze vulnerable, but all you bleeding edge folk should be ok as Jessie and sid seems fine https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-0235 Cheers Iain -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/28f1fa682337d21078d8c83d9c9e03 a...@thargoid.co.uk
Re: XBMC/Kodi? Anybody actually using this on Debian?
Hi Roland, regarding the XBMC version - try to use Deb-multimedia repository [1]. There are more recent versions available. Ad 1) more things which needs to be checked - kernel support - Xorg open source radeon or closed sourced fglrx ati drivers support Try to read these [2] [3] [4] Ad 2) first make sure your direct rendering is working (running the command glxinfo) then you can just install xbmc and some other packages, try to use aptitude [5] which have some console-based menu for package management. There are more xbmc-related packages - search for them and read about them for more information. Decide what's needed by yourself. Once you will have the setup complete you could face issues with VDPAU and/or VAAPI (accelerated video playback on graphic chip). Search on XBMC forum will help you. -- Peter [1] http://www.deb-multimedia.org/ [2] https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo [3] https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary [4] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ATI [5] https://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 9:12 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette r...@tristatelogic.com wrote: Torsten, Thank you for your clear response. I have a couple of follow-up questions: Assuming that I now wipe Wheezy off my disk, and replace it with Jessie RC1... 1) Other than testing it myself, how can I find out if this (Jessie RC1) will properly support the AMD A4-6300 APU? 2) What if anything will I need to manually tweek/diddle/edit in order to cause my newly installed Jessie RC1 to properly fetch the newer XBMC 13.2, which you mentioned? If I just say apt-get install xbmc will that get it? Or will I need to edit or modify some repository links someplace? (Sorry, I am kind-of new to debian's repository system, so I'm still just feeling my way along.) Thanks in advance for any further enlightenment. Regards, rfg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/27469.1422303...@server1.tristatelogic.com
Re: DEBIAN on PANASONIC CF-19 laptop
Am 18.01.2015 um 06:46 schrieb Alex PADOLY: Hi! I don't find information about DEBIAN on PANASONIC CF-19 laptop. I would like to know if it is possible to install DEBIAN (latest version) on PANASONIC CF-19 laptop. ( this laptop don't have a DVD). Video about this laptop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZM7Qb7SHtk Best regards. Alex PADOLY Hi! There are several versions of the CF-19, MK1 to MK5. Special function keys are mostly not working. Beside of they are pretty generic x86 Intel machine. So it should just work. Best regards, Peter -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54bbe1d9.6060...@wh2.tu-dresden.de
mounting a labeled filesystem
peter@dalton:~$ grep GRN /etc/fstab LABEL=GRNSDHC41 /home/peter/GR auto defaults,noauto,user,users 0 0 peter@dalton:~$ mount LABEL=GRNSDHC41 mount: must be superuser to use mount peter@dalton:~$ sudo mount LABEL=GRNSDHC41 [sudo] password for peter: peter@dalton:~$ mount | grep GR /dev/sda1 on /home/peter/GR type ext2 (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,errors=continue,user_xattr,acl) Does anyone have a clever way to allow a user to mount a storage part containing a labeled filesystem without giving a password? Thanks, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1YAfor-0002T2-Qg@dalton.invalid
mounting a labeled filesystem
peter@dalton:~$ grep GRN /etc/fstab LABEL=GRNSDHC41 /home/peter/GR auto defaults,noauto,user,users 0 0 peter@dalton:~$ mount LABEL=GRNSDHC41 mount: must be superuser to use mount peter@dalton:~$ sudo mount LABEL=GRNSDHC41 [sudo] password for peter: peter@dalton:~$ mount | grep GR /dev/sda1 on /home/peter/GR type ext2 (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,errors=continue,user_xattr,acl) Does anyone have a clever way to allow a user to mount a storage part containing a labeled filesystem without giving a password? Thanks, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1YAg9s-0002YN-Eo@dalton.invalid
Re: A capability in the IMAP protocol.
IMAP allows retrieving a message, and IMAP allows deleting a message, so this can certainly be done. (As long as the server actually respects the delete command, rather than archiving on delete or something like that, but that would be server-specific.) ... I imagine that various other mail clients also provide sufficiently capable message-filtering or other scripting functionality. No direct support for this by IMAP itself should be necessary. Thanks. After some exporation and trial error with the client it work nicely, Thanks again, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1YAh3R-0002iC-Va@dalton.invalid
Re: A capability in the IMAP protocol.
* From: Andrei POPESCU em concurrently. Someone might work with a smartphone and a desktop system concurrently for example. IMAP is useful there. In a simpler but similar case, an mbox file can be on a flash storage card which is shifted from one machine to another not too frequently. Then POP3 suffices to retrieve messages to the mbox. If a client system has only IMAP, the question of simulating POP3 arises. Regards,... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1YAhXd-0002id-7i@dalton.invalid
Re: What happens when a bad package is in Debian stable?
On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 10:58 PM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: Peter Michaux wrote: Suppose there a nice package has been in Debian stable for years. If a new version is added to Debian stable and problems are discovered after it is added, what happens to fix the problem? If problems are found after it has been released then file a bug report on it. In dealing with the bug report judgement is applied by both the maintainer and the release team. If the new version can be fixed? Is a fixed version added with a higher number? Yes. A fixed version of the package with a higher version number will created and uploaded to the repository. What if the new version cannot be fixed? Is the new version of the package simply removed? Is an even newer version added that actually matches the previous working version until bad one can be fixed and added again? Since a release has been made it cannot ever be removed from that release. Once something is done it cannot be undone. It may be removed in a later point release. That will not remove it from your system however. These are hypothetical questions that have no answers in the vagueness. Do you have an actual example? I'm thinking particularly of a personal/company repository where packages cannot be tested as well as they are in Debian before they are declared stable and sent to production servers. It is more likely for a company that a undetected problem makes it to production and the first person to notice is a customer. How does the company react in such a case so that customers are happy? Peter -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cag0y48b9tyl7uwlfz4fxhzbjs4pshqntfo6+wgsy7cq0fej...@mail.gmail.com
What happens when a bad package is in Debian stable?
Hi, Suppose there a nice package has been in Debian stable for years. If a new version is added to Debian stable and problems are discovered after it is added, what happens to fix the problem? If the new version can be fixed? Is a fixed version added with a higher number? What if the new version cannot be fixed? Is the new version of the package simply removed? Is an even newer version added that actually matches the previous working version until bad one can be fixed and added again? Thanks. Peter -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cag0y48c293g+xombj0ccoxxwblelkkannqv66qxd-hhb4_j...@mail.gmail.com
A capability in the IMAP protocol.
Hi, Does the IMAP protocol allow retrieving a message, body included, from a server and then deleting from the server while keeping on the client? This might be described as simulating a POP behavour in IMAP. If the protocol allows this, is the capability implemented in most clients? Thanks,... Peter E. -- Telephone 1 360 639 0202. Bcc: peter at easthope.ca http://carnot.yi.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/6af85a0a384ed76dfe6a0e10c2b9d3d7.squir...@easthope.ca
Re: Eclipse?
j...@lillahusetiskogen.se: Någon här som kör Eclipse? Till vad? Nöjd? Alternativ? Personligen har jag börjat använda Code::Blocks http://www.codeblocks.org/ (finns paketerat i Debian); det känns lite mer som Visual Studio för de som har erfarenhet av det. Jag har inte riktigt fått den integrerade debuggern att fungera ordentligt, men eftersom jag jobbar mycket mot inbyggda system har det inte varit topprioritet. Projektfilerna för Code::Blocks kan enkelt läggas i en egen katalog och använda relativa sökvägar, så när jag använder det på $DAYJOB så har jag projektfilerna i ett eget repository som jag checkar ut som en underkatalog och får upp alla filer där. -- \\// Peter - http://www.softwolves.pp.se/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.00.1412302231100.23...@ds9.cixit.se
stopping a problematic process.
Suppose strace LooseCannon produces 100 k lines of output but the user is primarily interested to see the first 1 k lines. strace LooseCannon | head --lines=1000 might work but waste time and resources. How can the process be stopped without losing the strace output and before excessive waste? Thanks, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1Y5n8s-0001M1-Lb@dalton.invalid
Re: bind mount
From: The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 13:01:37 -0500 I think what Andrei meant is asking what you're trying to accomplish by bind-mounting the one directory on the other as an ordinary user. That is, what is the problem to which you are attempting to apply this as a solution? Oops; sorry. An ext filesystem allows a link. A FAT f.s. doesn't but a directory where the target is bind mounted is a useable substitute. Inconvenient that the bind mount requires root. Regards, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1Y3neE-pp-PI@armada.invalid
Re: bind mount
From: The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 13:01:37 -0500 I think what Andrei meant is asking what you're trying to accomplish by bind-mounting the one directory on the other as an ordinary user. That is, what is the problem to which you are attempting to apply this as a solution? Oops; sorry. An ext filesystem allows a link. A FAT f.s. doesn't but a directory where the target is bind mounted is a useable substitute. Inconvenient that the bind mount requires root. Regards, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1Y3d6r-000140-Tg@armada.invalid
Re: bind mount
From: Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 22:51:47 +0200 What are you trying to accomplish? Mount a directory on a directory. Scroll down to --bind. http://linux.die.net/man/8/mount Seems odd that ordinary mounts are available to users but bind is only for root. Thanks, ... P. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1Y3STv-qp-SW@armada.invalid
shell script removing log files.
This command in a shell script removes unwanted log files. for i in $( echo *.Log ); do /bin/rm $i; echo Removed $i. done In the edge case of no matching files, rm complains. /bin/rm: cannot remove `*.Log': No such file or directory If echo is replaced with ls, it complains when there is no match. Does anyone have a tidy solution for this task? Thanks, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1Y384k-00023W-S0@armada.invalid
bind mount
This line in /etc/fstab allows bind mounting, except that the user option has no effect. /usr/bin/aos /home/usr/.aoshome none bind,user There is no simple way to allow a user? Thanks,... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1Y38G3-000249-2C@armada.invalid
Changing permission in user's home directory
I want to change permission of a directory, recursively. The directory is a subdirectory of a user's home directory. Is there a way to do this in a secure and easy way with the user having full write access to the home directory? Let's assume I would change the permissions as follows $ chgrp -R www-data ~user/subdir $ chmod -R g+rwX ~user/subdir The issue is that the user could do something like this beforehand: $ mv ~user/subdir ~user/subdir2 $ ln -s / ~user/subdir Not a very nice thing to do, is it? Well, I could just change the user's permission for the home directory as follows: $ chown root:users-group ~user $ chmod g+rwx,+t But this seems rather error-prone. Especially because I would have to adjust the permission of quite a lot of directories, some of which are not even in the top level of the users' home directories. Frankly, me forgetting to adjust the permissions of a few directories is just to great. What I now would like to know is, is there an easier way to solve the issue. Like teaching chmod not to follow links. Unfortunately, I haven't found a -- make-sure-as-hell-not-to-follow-links-in-any-way parameter or anything the like. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201412210111.32524.pe...@arbitrary.ch
Re: Changing permission in user's home directory
On our server we create an user for every of our customer and we run an instance of home-made java application (as the customers respective user). The issue is just who ever set up those servers created a home directory per user and set up everything in that directory. Including static files needed by ngnix for which I need to do something like $chgrp www-data path after an update. I'm aware there is no technical reasons for having such a weird directory constellation. The issue is just reorganizing file hierarchies on docents of productive installations is not that easy, so I hoped for an easy work-around for the old installations. At least until the long overdue revision of the update and installation procedure has been done. On Sunday 21 December 2014 02.21:39 David Christensen wrote: On 12/20/2014 04:11 PM, Peter Gerber wrote: I want to change permission of a directory, recursively. The directory is a subdirectory of a user's home directory. Why? To what? E.g. what is the technical requirement(s) that forces you to change permission of a directory and/or it's contents, and what must those permissions be? David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201412210315.22386.pe...@arbitrary.ch
Re: Two monitors on a Matrox G450.
From: Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 16:37:09 -0500 Is this in a desktop machine? Can you remove the board? If so, is there a window nearby? Then, open the window and throw that board out. :) Will aim for a recycling bin about 2 km distant. Older nVidia boards, ten times as capable as that Matrox device, go for $20, or less, all day long. Will see what else was donated. From: Sven Hartge s...@svenhartge.de Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 00:19:45 +0100 So, please, put this graphics card to rest and just use a cheap, fanless Nvidia or ATI ... See above. Thanks fellows, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1XzcWz-000329-7n@dalton.invalid
Two monitors on a Matrox G450.
A CRT monitor and an IBM flat monitor are connected to a Matrox G450 adapter. Both monitors display the command line interface. With X running, the monitor on output 1 is active; the monitor on output 2 indicates absence of signal. If the monitors are swapped across the output connectors, output 2 continues to indicate absence of a signal while output 1 works. From that I conclude that the monitors are OK. * Do the following reports help to localize the problem to the video adapter or to software? * Failed to get size of gamma for output default? * Other ideas? Thanks,... Peter E. = peter@joule:~$ lspci -v -s 01:00.0 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Matrox Electronics Systems Ltd. MGA G400/G450 (rev 85) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) Subsystem: Matrox Electronics Systems Ltd. Millennium G450 32Mb SDRAM Du al Head Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 11 Memory at f200 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=32M] Memory at fe9fc000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K] Memory at fe00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=8M] Expansion ROM at fe9c [disabled] [size=128K] Capabilities: access denied Kernel driver in use: matrox_w1 peter@joule:~$ lsmod | grep matrox matrox_w1 12547 0 wire 19207 1 matrox_w1 peter@joule:~$ lsmod | grep mga mga26157 1 drm 146387 2 mga peter@joule:~$ xrandr Can't open display peter@joule:~$ xrandr -d :0 xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1024 x 768 default connected 1024x768+0+0 0mm x 0mm 1024x768 87.0*75.0 85.0 60.0 70.0 832x62475.0 800x60085.0 75.0 72.0 60.0 56.0 840x52560.0 700x52560.0 640x51260.0 720x45060.0 640x48085.0 75.0 67.0 60.0 73.0 720x40070.0 85.0 680x38460.0 640x40085.0 576x43275.0 70.0 60.0 640x35085.0 512x38487.0 85.0 75.0 70.0 60.0 416x31275.0 400x30085.0 75.0 72.0 60.0 56.0 320x24085.0 360x20085.0 peter@joule:~$ xrandr -d :1 Can't open display :1 = -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1Xz5qZ-0001O0-OB@dalton.invalid
Re: automation of xrandr.
From: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 18:55:59 + I'd be thinking in terms of putting the command in a ~/.xsessionrc. In one system that works with no problems. peter@dalton:~$ cat .xsessionrc xrandr --output VGA-0 --mode 1280x960 --rate 85.0 xrandr --output DVI-0 --auto --right-of VGA-0 Thanks,... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1XysIU-0002XA-AV@dalton.invalid
-cpu option of qemu
man qenu has, -cpu ? for list and additional feature selection. Here, peter@armada:~$ qemu-system-x86_64 -cpu ? Unable to find x86 CPU definition How should CPU definitions be provided? Is there a package to install? Thanks,Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1Xwauz-zZ-2Z@armada.invalid
Re: -cpu option of qemu
From: Reco recovery...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 23:15:56 +0300 Do you have the file such as /etc/qemu/target-x86_64.conf? No. Not even /etc/qemu/. Now I've removed qemu and qemu-system and installed qemu-system-x86. That left an empty target-x86_64.conf. What does change if you add to /etc/qemu/target-x86_64.conf strings from https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=652281#17 ? After adding the cited lines to define Nehalem, this. peter@armada:~$ qemu-system-x86_64 -cdrom /home/peter/MY/*.iso -boot d qemu-system-x86_64:/etc/qemu/target-x86_64.conf:4: There is no option group 'cpudef' More than those lines must be needed in the file. Too late to investigate further. Thanks for the help, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1Xwm4w-0002Ep-7U@armada.invalid
Re: automation of xrandr
From: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 18:55:59 + I'd be thinking in terms of putting the command in a ~/.xsessionrc. OK; it needn't even be session specific really. One of these might work. peter@dalton:~$ grep -e -layout -e -config /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf # xserver-layout = Layout to pass to X server # xserver-config = Config file to pass to X server #xserver-layout= #xserver-config= Or the contemporary solution; buy a big flat display. Thanks, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1Xv809-0004yS-0q@dalton.invalid
automation of xrandr
https://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 helped to establish a usable multi-screen configuration. Now what is the recommendation to automate? Put the xrandr command in .profile? Odd that the wiki page has no mention of this question. Thanks, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1XujTt-0005AT-SC@dalton.invalid
Fwd: Gnome/X/Display device issues since before Testing freeze
I've had the Oh no! Something went wrong screen for a couple of weeks now, since just before Testing went into freeze. I've looked everywhere I can and tried all sorts of things, but nothing solves the problem. I recently upgraded to sid to see if that helped, but still no luck. In the included journal file below, it seems the problem lies in the cannot determine display-device entry, but I can't tell what is causing that. I have a lot more diagnostic output, but I can't have attachments, apparently. I would file a bug report, but I am not sure which package to report under. One thing I have not been able to work out if is whether the memory conflict message is an issue, and, if it is, how to solve it... Thanks for any assistance... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/capmdcemcnrgwafcexolfvbggo5qsab3h5vgjwih6uzpgueo...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Qemu host drive basics.
From: Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 06:15:18 -0600 I'm curious if you can read the floppy directory contents using the 'mdir' command from the mtools package? If you can do that as peter, then that may point to a problem with qemu. Just a thought. This is for a MS-DOS 5.0 installer diskette. peter@armada:/media/floppy0$ mdir Volume in drive A is DISK 1 Volume Serial Number is 0C74-0EEB Directory for A:/ COMMAND COM 47845 1991-11-11 5:00 AUTOEXEC BAT36 1991-11-11 5:00 CONFIG SYS13 1991-11-11 5:00 COUNTRY SYS 17069 1991-11-11 5:00 EGA SY_ 4107 1991-11-11 5:00 FORMAT COM 33087 1991-11-11 5:00 KEYB COM 14986 1991-11-11 5:00 KEYBOARD SYS 34697 1991-11-11 5:00 NLSFUNC EXE 7052 1991-11-11 5:00 SETUPEXE 73860 1991-11-11 5:00 SETUPINI 1975 1991-11-11 5:00 CV COM 716 1991-11-11 5:00 README 1ST 452 1991-11-11 5:00 DISPLAY SY_ 11186 1991-11-11 5:00 EGA CP_ 19714 1991-11-11 5:00 HIMEMSY_ 7916 1991-11-11 5:00 MODE CO_ 16834 1991-11-11 5:00 SETVER EX_ 7448 1991-11-11 5:00 ANSI SY_ 7185 1991-11-11 5:00 DEBUGEX_ 16898 1991-11-11 5:00 EDLINEX_ 10441 1991-11-11 5:00 EMM386 EX_ 47605 1991-11-11 5:00 FASTOPEN EX_ 8927 1991-11-11 5:00 FDISKEXE 57224 1991-11-11 5:00 MEM EX_ 29726 1991-11-11 5:00 MIRROR CO_ 12811 1991-11-11 5:00 RAMDRIVE SY_ 3765 1991-11-11 5:00 SHAREEX_ 9312 1991-11-11 5:00 SMARTDRV SY_ 6295 1991-11-11 5:00 SYS CO_ 9672 1991-11-11 5:00 UNDELETE EX_ 9399 1991-11-11 5:00 UNFORMAT COM 18576 1991-11-11 5:00 XCOPYEX_ 11879 1991-11-11 5:00 DOSKEY CO_ 4730 1991-11-11 5:00 8514 VI_ 7305 1991-11-11 5:00 CGA GR_ 1768 1991-11-11 5:00 CGA IN_ 3330 1991-11-11 5:00 CGA VI_ 6920 1991-11-11 5:00 DOSSHELL CO_ 2231 1991-11-11 5:00 DOSSHELL EX_156431 1991-11-11 5:00 DOSSWAP EX_ 15492 1991-11-11 5:00 EGA GR_ 2729 1991-11-11 5:00 EGA IN_ 1991-11-11 5:00 EGA VI_ 7012 1991-11-11 5:00 EGAMONO GR_ 2564 1991-11-11 5:00 HERC GR_ 1809 1991-11-11 5:00 HERC VI_ 6998 1991-11-11 5:00 MONO GR_ 301 1991-11-11 5:00 MONO IN_ 2990 1991-11-11 5:00 PACKING LST 2381 1991-11-11 5:00 PRINTEX_ 11061 1991-11-11 5:00 VGA GR_ 3593 1991-11-11 5:00 VGA VI_ 7236 1991-11-11 5:00 VGAMONO GR_ 3605 1991-11-11 5:00 APPNOTES TXT 8369 1991-11-11 5:00 DOSHELP HL_ 2844 1991-11-11 5:00 DOSSHELL HL_ 54344 1991-11-11 5:00 EDIT HL_ 17419 1991-11-11 5:00 HELP EX_ 8534 1991-11-11 5:00 RECOVER EX_ 7561 1991-11-11 5:00 DOS DIR 1996-09-01 8:24 61 files 911 598 bytes 456 192 bytes free Perhaps using dd to make a raw image of the floppy and having qemu boot from that may be an alternative. There are two bootable diskettes here. One is the MS-DOS 5.0 installer which gives the mdir above. The other is an Oberon0 installer. Machines here cold boot from each. The qemu virtual system boots from each image. sudo qemu-system-i386 -fda ~/disketteImageFile -vga std -boot a The qemu virtual system fails to boot from each diskette as a host device. sudo qemu-system-i386 -fda /dev/fd0 -vga std -boot a A bug report is warranted. Thanks for the help, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1XrgZb-sH-3i@armada.invalid
Re: the developers have spoken
On 19/11/14 15:44, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 09:11:18 -0500 songbird songb...@anthive.com wrote: let us thank each one of them for their efforts to continue making Debian what it is: Really ? I thought they were making Debian something quite different from what it is... However you look at it, continue making Debian what it is is utter nonsense anyway. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m4il5q$k88$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: the developers have spoken
On 19/11/14 22:21, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:41:45PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Please DO report back. Some of us really do want to know the state of alternatives. If you insist then please use the d-community-offtopic list[1], which was set up for these situations. How about, no. Debian, the state of Debian, the future of Debian, comparisons of Debian to alternatives are all (IMHO) completely on topic, and of interest to THIS user. It's amazing, isn't it. At least every second message sent by systemd advocates ends with the words stop it!, shut up! or go away!. They claim to support free software and can't even tolerate free speech. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m4j8i9$jil$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: the developers have spoken
On 20/11/14 01:04, Brian wrote: You could create a free software progam which falsely shouts 'fire' over the public broadcasting system in a crowded theatre. From your point of view that would seem to be the best of all possible worlds. None of the people who were told to fuck off shouted fire in a crowded theatre. Your comparison is complete nonsense, and you know it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m4jen4$5v0$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Qemu host drive basics.
From: Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 06:20:48 -0600 ... should have been 'groups peter'. peter@armada:~$ groups peter peter : peter adm cdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev Group membership is OK. If I am not permitted to read the floppy, the drive motor shouldn't twitch immediately after the qemu command. Therefore I conclude that permissions aren't blocking access. As mentioned originally, the machine will cold boot from the diskette. More detail from qemu would help but there is no -v option to increase verbosity. The man page has no mention of a log file. Thanks for the feedback, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1XrJhA-ra-Bd@armada.invalid
Re: The systemd MacGuffin
On 18/11/2014, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Marty wrote: I started posting here when, after years of promoting Linux to friends and employers and finally seeing much progress, my company started phasing out Debian (systemd was not the only issue but more of a last straw). Might I ask: - what the other straws were, and, - what your company is migrating to? Regards, Miles Fidelman In addition, I'd be quite interested to know what it was about systemd that added to the decision to phase out Debian. Was it custom init scripts and the upgrade process, or some odd function that has been lost? cheers -- Keith Burnett http://sohcahtoa.org.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAA6tw_GD2nUG0ipfC7v1jeMzUe=Lj6W7th0J5wVCB-Lj=ah...@mail.gmail.com
Qemu host drive basics.
http://wiki.qemu.org/download/qemu-doc.html#sec_005finvocation contains, `-fda file' ... You can use the host floppy by using `/dev/fd0' as filename ... Therefore take any diskette which the bare PC can boot from and try to boot the virtual machine from it. Here fd0 twitches; then an error. peter@armada:~$ sudo qemu-system-i386 -fda /dev/fd0 -vga std -boot a qemu-system-i386: -fda /dev/fd0: could not open disk image /dev/fd0: Input/output error I/o error? Certainly it is read/writable. peter@armada:~$ ls -l /dev/fd0 brw-rw---T 1 root floppy 2, 0 Nov 17 16:44 /dev/fd0 Can anyone make the virtual machine boot from a real boot diskette? Thanks, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1Xqufo-oU-NN@armada.invalid
Re: Qemu host drive basics.
From: Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 21:26:06 -0600 It is rw only for the root user and members of the floppy group. Is peter a member of the floppy group? Use the 'group' command to find out. No group command but peter is in the floppy group. root@armada:/home/peter# which group root@armada:/home/peter# grep floppy /etc/group floppy:x:25:peter Thanks, ... P. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1Xqwoc-tf-R7@armada.invalid
Why focus on systemd?
Frankly, I don't understand why so many people are focussing on systemd
so much. In my opinion, systemd ist just a *symptom* (although perhaps a
very prominent one). It is not the *cause* of the disease or the disease
itself.
Has anyone ever wondered where all these funny directories like
~/.cache, ~/.config, ~/.local or even ~/Desktop (with a capital D) came
from that appeared in Debian after upgrading to - was it Lenny? Here's
an answer:
http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html
Has anyone wondered where funny files like recently-used.xbel suddenly
came from? A file written in a format that requries *five* lines to tell
file selector dialogs that there are no Recently Used files, and that
is being recreated even if you don't want any Recently Used entry in
your File open dialogs at all?
Does anyone remember when files containing entries like
SUBSYSTEM==block, ENV{ID_CDROM}==?*,
ENV{ID_PATH}==pci-:00:02.1-usb-0:5:1.0-scsi-0:0:0:1, SYMLINK+=
cdrom1, ENV{GENERATED}=1
suddenly appeared under /etc/... and when countless people started
complaining in mailing lists about incorrect loading of devices?
What I am trying to say is that the same kind of people who graciously
donated systemd to all of us without asking have been shaping our
systems for a long time already, adding bloat, cruft and obscurity and
removing manual configurability and easy and straightforward control
wherever they could.
It's the domination of the desktop environment ideology that's the
problem. Many users came to Linux and Debian years ago because they were
fed up with Microsoft. And now the same ideology infiltrates their
Linux, whether they chose to install a desktop environment or not.
Desktop environments are made by people who lack the fantasy to imagine
a computing world different from Microsoft's, who - just like MS - don't
care for economical use of resources, and who believe that users don't
need to know what's going on under the hood and that users should take
or leave what's being given to them. In principle I don't have a
problem with such people. But I do have a problem when they start
shaping Debian also for the rest of us.
Preventing the systemd takeover is certainly important, but it won't be
enough to reverse the trend, I fear.
Just my 2 Cents.
p.
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Re: Why focus on systemd?
On 16/11/2014, Peter Nieman gmane-a...@t-online.de wrote: [snip] It's the domination of the desktop environment ideology that's the problem. Many users came to Linux and Debian years ago because they were fed up with Microsoft. And now the same ideology infiltrates their Linux, whether they chose to install a desktop environment or not. Just try a window manager on top of X, quite a different approach, and one that minimises distractions in my opinion. I use IceWM because it is easy to configure. A few applications (surf, xfe, pmount, mpg123, xpdf, OpenOffice installed from tar.gz, r-base/r-devel, gnuplot, texlive) and I'm working fine and listening to the music on my phone through a better sound system. Init agnostic (use of the apt-get option --no-install-recommends ensures that), fast, impressive. You can learn systemd or stay with sysvinit. I might even try upstart for lutz. Jessie is a good place to be. cheers -- Keith Burnett http://sohcahtoa.org.uk/osd.html http://sohcahtoa.org.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAA6tw_Gze0OWRXdOegwHcZt3q13W6HrR68k-F_-8_=i5fga...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Why focus on systemd?
On 16/11/14 18:33, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: You might very well be unhappy with this situation, the way the decision was taken, the way it wasn't challenged by the DDs, the fact that no conditions were posed to systemd maintainers, or anything else, that's totally fine. Please just be aware that repeating your unhappiness ad nauseam will not change that fact. In fact, I'm quite sure that the 'meta' discussions about systemd on debian-user are seriously annoying to a lot of subscribers and to a lot of developers too. This, because what should be done now is not arguying endlessly, but making Jessie the best Debian release ever (given the TC decision) through making Jessie work as best as possible with systemd as init, through making Jessie work as best as possible with sysvinit as init and doing _actual testing_ of Debian Jessie, in real use-cases. Screaming and whining about supposed issues with Jessie without testing it is unproductive, noisy and unfair to the developers. You might not have noticed, but making points on debian-user against systemd-in-general or systemd-as-adopted-by-Debian is not making a case for a systemd-less Debian (much the contrary), it is not either making a case for a revert of the TC decision (much the contrary). The only way to make a case for a systemd-less Debian is to _do_it_ ! In general, debian-user is not the right venue for complaints about Debian decisions; the continuation of the debian-user hijack by these discussions is a disgrace to this list; please stop. Seriously. My aim was to invite people to think about where Debian is heading, and my message was obviously addressed to people who are able and willing to do so. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m4b45f$o6k$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Why focus on systemd?
On 16/11/14 21:42, Keith Peter wrote: On 16/11/2014, Peter Nieman gmane-a...@t-online.de wrote: [snip] It's the domination of the desktop environment ideology that's the problem. Many users came to Linux and Debian years ago because they were fed up with Microsoft. And now the same ideology infiltrates their Linux, whether they chose to install a desktop environment or not. Just try a window manager on top of X, quite a different approach, and one that minimises distractions in my opinion. That's what I'm using. And my point is that I'm subjected to the decisions of the Gnome and KDE people regardless. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m4b4r0$31f$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Valuing non-code contributions -- was Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling
On 11 November 2014 19:43, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: Le 11/11/2014 20:21, Don Armstrong a écrit : On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Erwan David wrote: Le 11/11/2014 18:59, Don Armstrong a écrit : When I (or someone else) asks people to show us the code, it's really just shorthand for someone needs to do this work, and it currently isn't important enough for me to do it. Asking to provide a patch to an utterly complex code is just [complete] [nonsense] and [hypocrisy]: one cannot patch any complex software without working on it for long hours. While it might take less time for someone intimately familiar with a piece of code to provide a patch, it still may take a lot of time for them to provide the patch. The actual cost may be even higher even though it takes less time, because writing a patch means that they're not working on something else. It's the reality of Free Software that people work on things that they want to work on. If something is important to you, but not important enough for you to do it, then your next best alternative is to figure out how you can best encourage someone else to do it for you. Calling people hypocrites isn't a very effective way to do that. And when the probleme is te basic design of the software a patch is not conceivable. Then the solution is to become involved in the software design process. Your email makes me me regretting contibuting by translating doc (a long time ago) otr contibuting bugs... This kind opf stance is completely full of contempt agains non coders. But coders are nothing if nobody uses or test. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/546266ee.4070...@rail.eu.org Hello All http://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~halfak/publications/The_Rise_and_Decline/ Not directly applicable but food for thought. Where are the volunteers coming from in Jessie+3 or Jessie+10 ? 'Onboarding' processes could be clearer. cheers -- Keith Burnett http://sohcahtoa.org.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAA6tw_HhdJUQnvYy2b0-K7Hihc2P_oH=yzuhsyrzdw1ds3p...@mail.gmail.com
Re: forks, derivatives, other distros - what are you thinking/doing
On 09/11/14 14:57, Hendrik Boom wrote: I wish all desktops had systematic, transparent, naive-user-accessible ways of identifying what packages or programs are invoked by menu items. One of the key characteristics of desktop environments is to conceal this and make everything look the same. p. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m3o870$j4l$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Joey Hess is out?
Hello Bret and All Mr Hess was writing to the 1000+ Debian developers so the subject line *may* have made instant sense to them, but I take the wider point. We had better explain the 'so long and thanks for all the fish' quote as well (looking at your sig) for the benefit of others. In one of the volumes of the *The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy*, a very funny mock science fiction story, the dolphins all suddenly disappear. They have in fact left Earth because they know that the planet is about to be destroyed to make way for a hyperspace route. They send the message 'so long and thanks for all the fish' to the humans by swimming in a certain configuration (I recall). Mr Hess has made some definite choices about work/life balance [1] and I'm sure he will find an outlet for his considerable talents. I think that Mr Hess's approach to things is to focus on the *rules that define the process* (i.e. the Debian constitution) rather than any specific contingent features of the way the process is unfolding at present (the init/integration thing). If there are any long time users here, I too would like to know more about the Constitution and the history. I did find a chapter from someone's thesis [2] which seems to describe the transition from a small community of developers working on 'rough consensus' to a larger and more formal organisation. It is a bit academic but seems to ring true in the present circumstances. [1] http://joey.hess.usesthis.com/ [2] http://www.law.nyu.edu/sites/default/files/ECM_PRO_067658.pdf Cheers On 8 November 2014 07:31, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/11/2014, Carl Fink c...@finknetwork.com wrote: Anyone else read the subject line and think, Why would I care that Joey is gay? -- I read the subject line, and got the impression that someone had been released from prison. Clarity and unambiguousness are important in email message subject fields. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CACX6j8OJppp0Fn2S5KQ7b65_rp-MgUQ36V3TjYLg=e=k0om...@mail.gmail.com -- Keith Burnett http://sohcahtoa.org.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAA6tw_HtpnBYdrqXeBa=yicoz0ipv8he7f6jdd1-0-b0yos...@mail.gmail.com
Re: forks, derivatives, other distros - what are you thinking/doing
On 5 November 2014 14:32, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: I'm a clueless end user with two laptops, one large boat-anchor Dell i5 that is my 'typing box' and another X60 that I actually carry round. Sid gives me a fully functional desktop that runs well on an 8 year old laptop with 2Gb of ram. Amazing really. 1. What are your issues, reasons for doing so - general and/or specific? Vague sense of unease at the rate and direction of technical change, not limited to init system and associated daemons and services. 2. What are you considering, evaluating, or otherwise thinking about? Considering for typing box: Getting off the escalator for a couple of years by using gNewSense (Debian based fully libre distro. V3 based on Squeeze, forthcoming V4 based on Wheezy). I have a wifi card that uses a fully free driver on the Dell. Considering for X60: WM ontop of X with systemv and pmount for the laptop I carry round. Printing not really needed. See http://sohcahtoa.org.uk/osd.html 3. What other options/initiatives are you aware of that you've discarded or otherwise are not considering, and why? OpenBSD 5.6 very nice, but little advantage over WM + Jessie with pmount. (toad/daemons for auto-mount breaks suspend on my hardware). OpenIndiana (Illumos kernel) very interesting and educational to try, but really 2005 ish. Booted and installed fine on a testing laptop. Killer was font rendition, suspend and available applications. Yes, I am an end user :-) Cheers -- Keith Burnett http://sohcahtoa.org.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/caa6tw_f0falp-t5rhv0e0v2ikaud-kgm0lsnofau1p0sew3...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Joey Hess is out?
On 8 November 2014 16:48, Mart van de Wege mvdw...@gmail.com wrote: David L. Craig dlc@gmail.com writes: On 14Nov08:1603+0100, Mart van de Wege wrote: Quite frankly, I'm disgusted. A developer with a lot of contributions is chased away by the noise made by a bunch of whiners who can't even be bothered to set up a test server. And because some devs want to placate those whiners, we get interminable political games and good people quitting the project. Why don't the anti-systemd people do what they've been threatening the whole time and fuck off to another distro or to FreeBSD? That comes across as someone who believes in not letting a good crisis go to waste. However, your opinions about this DD's motivations are exceptionally wide of the mark given he said nothing about non-DD influences and did point to changes in the structures and interactions of DDs exclusive of non-DDs. In other words, this is bogus opinion (spin), not factual reporting. Joey's reasons for leaving are his own. Absolutely His prior posts to debian-devel though included exasperation and despair at actually getting threats for his pro-systemd stance, Ridiculous. There are some idiots out there. so I think I am not unreasonable to suspect that that played a role. Possibly, no-one likes a poisonous atmosphere (I have worked in some, paid work mind you, and left as soon as I could). Mr Hess has stated in the original email that he had reservations about the Debian Constitution all those years ago. He has also posted mailing list messages expressing concern about *volunteer* developers being required to do work that they do not see a need for and about the GR process being used to make technical decisions in this case. As I think is characteristic of Mr Hess's way of working, his concern is with the *process* rather than taking a 'side'. We need to work from examples and bugs rather than from grand sweeping statements. You may not approve of 'whiners', but you will I assume accept (sensible, non political/contrived) bug reports? Mart -- We will need a longer wall when the revolution comes. --- AJS, quoting an uncertain source. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/86tx29iqpn@gaheris.avalon.lan Cheers -- Keith Burnett http://sohcahtoa.org.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAA6tw_HJDiss39LTnVVBCFoe6R1etp2m=zvoafuw8osxsr9...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...
On 04/11/14 03:53, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/3/2014 8:36 PM, Joel Rees wrote: snip I suppose it may be polemic to assert that forking debian and setting up a new community would be labor-intensive, fractious, divisive, and general not a wise use of precious free/libre/open community resources, in short, dumb. But just the fact there are people who consider systemd to be problematic enough to consider forking Debian should not be ignored. I agree it would be labor-intensive, fractious and divisive. However, if the people feel it is that important, I think it would be a wise use of community resources. Forking often makes things worse (classical example: libav) and it should always be the last resort. But when two entirely different philosophies exist inside a project and the two parts of a whole start moving in opposite directions and keep doing so for some time it might be a natural and perhaps the only sensible thing to do, and in that case I would call it dumb to simply call people suggesting a fork dumb. In Debian we have two different groups of people with entirely different visions. One that tries to stick to the traditional Linux (or Unix) way of doing things and one that tries to create something that I would call a copy of MS Windows, something that the first group ran away from. The latter group is backed by powerful commercial companies and paid developers, which brings the first group into a situation where it increasingly feels compelled to fight in order not to lose what it has learned to love. That's my experience with Debian over the last few years at least. Now, my impression is that some people advocating things like Gnome and systemd here are so much experts and concerned with technical details that they fail to see the overall picture and the fundamental differences. They essentially ask the critics (of systemd in this case) to just give in unless they have precise technical problems, in which case they should start coding or at least report these problems because they can all be solved, and in the end everyone can reasonably be expected to be happy. I guess these people would also deny that Gnome is intransparent and that it resembles MS Windows, because everyone can look at the code, after all. But to the user, things look quite different. Even if the user hasn't consciously installed anything like Gnome, he will see that more and more things are happening on his computer that he doesn't want and doesn't understand, and that he has to spend more and more time looking for ways to understand things, disable things and restore the way things were done before, if that is still possible at all. And when he digs deep enough he will often find that the reason why something has changed for the worse is that it's the Gnome way. So to my mind the fundamental question is if you want to keep control of your computer or if you prefer eye candy and things happening automagically. And there is no middle way (only extremist ones). And to the people who have no problem with the way things are going right now I would say: there's a perfect OS for you already, and it's called Microsoft Windows 7. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m3annl$3u7$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...
On 04/11/14 19:04, Laurent Bigonville wrote: Using the threat of forking to make people change their mind I didn't threaten anybody. do not send 100 mails to ML's I didn't. I don't even know what ML's are. Now, my impression is that some people advocating things like Gnome and systemd here are so much experts and concerned with technical details that they fail to see the overall picture and the fundamental differences. They essentially ask the critics (of systemd in this case) to just give in unless they have precise technical problems, in which case they should start coding or at least report these problems because they can all be solved, and in the end everyone can reasonably be expected to be happy. I guess these people would also deny that Gnome is intransparent and that it resembles MS Windows, because everyone can look at the code, after all. But to the user, things look quite different. Even if the user hasn't consciously installed anything like Gnome, he will see that more and more things are happening on his computer that he doesn't want and doesn't understand, and that he has to spend more and more time looking for ways to understand things, disable things and restore the way things were done before, if that is still possible at all. And when he digs deep enough he will often find that the reason why something has changed for the worse is that it's the Gnome way. The change of initsystem has nothing to do with GNOME (even if GNOME is using some features extensively). systemd (or upstart) is solving long standing issues regarding starting of daemon (clean environment, selinux context, loginuid attribute or prevents other stuff that can leak from the user session) and daemon life cycle management (being sure that when a service is stopped all the processes are effectively stopped). Then systemd add other features like private /tmp directory using namespace or socket activation. All of these features are for servers, again nothing to do with GNOME. AND in addition to these, it gives DE an unique API to interact with the power state of the machine (inhibition, notification about power state changes,...) and user session management via logind. That reply is a perfect example of what I wrote. Quote: some people advocating things like Gnome and systemd here are so much 'experts' and concerned with technical details that they fail to see the overall picture. So to my mind the fundamental question is if you want to keep control of your computer or if you prefer eye candy and things happening automagically. And there is no middle way (only extremist ones). I fail to see how you are loosing control of your computer Much of what I said was based on personal experience. So please don't tell me trees are blue. Without talking about the descriptive language used to describe to .service file. I don't have any .service file, and my PC works perfectly well without one. And to the people who have no problem with the way things are going right now I would say: there's a perfect OS for you already, and it's called Microsoft Windows 7. Not too sure what to answer to that. How about nothing? Since you didn't even *try* to understand anything of what I wrote... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m3bc1m$82b$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...
On 03/11/14 01:18, Joel Rees wrote: On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 2:46 AM, Peter Nieman gmane-a...@t-online.de wrote: On 02/11/14 16:45, Marty wrote: http://uselessd.darknedgy.net/ProSystemdAntiSystemd/ It should be required reading for any participant in a systemd thread. Required reading because of what? In order to learn what an arrogant and insulting pamphlet looks like? I doubt that using the word dumb three times in the first few sentences is an intelligent way of convincing anybody of anything. You exaggerate a little. Yes, I do. ;-) Useful, no matter which side you take? I think so, although extremists on either side of the debate will likely find it irritating: [snip] And it continues in the same vein, pointing out, much to the apparent distress of extremists, that bad arguments are being used on both sides of the debate. [snip] So it's going to be hated by extremists on both sides ... [snip] I'll agree, everyone who wants to continue discussing or debating systemd should read it. Not because it shows how wrong you guys all are (on both sides), but because systemd isn't going away any time soon and we need to put the dumb arguments _on_ _both_ _sides_ away and focus our time on finding ways to make debian's efforts to allow multiple inits going forward to work. The pamphlet by the uselessd developer is full of polemics, opinionated judgement, and unsubstantiated assumptions about the character of people he has never met. To me, that makes his text appear arrogant and - well - useless. You, too, seem to take it for granted that we all agree what an extremist is and what is right, wrong, or dumb, and are making assumptions about how these extremists most likely think and feel and what will happen in the future. I think we shouldn't make such assumptions. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m388ev$vki$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Camera SD card mounting problems (defined by systemd)
On 03/11/14 07:13, Charles Kroeger wrote: On Sat, 01 Nov 2014 20:10:01 +0100 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard j.deboynepollard-newsgro...@ntlworld.com wrote: I see from other messages in this thread that I'm not the only person to think it equally ludicrous to have a workflow that involves rebooting the entire machine just to mount and unmount a removable block device. Indeed, even editing /etc/fstab doesn't need to be part of such a workflow. Just mark the entry as non-automatic (also correcting your spelling mistake that is the root of your problem here, of course) That was only to mount not unmount. For one thing I don't use this removable block device AKA the SD card enough to have it interfere with my precious workflow. As far as the 'incorrect' spelling of the device, that was only misspelled after systemd came into the picture. That line was read in /etc/fstab with no problems (for years) before it became misspelled. I've already corrected the offending spelling of the device and used the NON systemd methodology as recommended by The Wanderer and Martin Read, preempting your delicate sensibilities. So all is well. Strange that no one has mentioned autofs in this thread, as far as I can see... p. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m38969$ccc$1...@ger.gmane.org
