kvm hypervisor host network problem during VM startup/shutdown
(please CC me on replies) I have been running kvm on this host for almost two years now. Using bridged networking, rather simple setup, with about 4 VMs and the hypervisor. There is one bridge, br1 (there is an unused br0 which has no connection out) which is connected to the physical ethernet, one of the VMs is providing DHCP to the whole network. Things work fine, except, when I attempt to create a new host, or destroy a running host. I am playing with FAI profiles now, and so have tested this many times. Every time, the hypervisor briefly (5-10 seconds or so) stopps responding on the network, though, other systems which use the same bridge, have no issue. Script used to start the new VM: virt-install \ --connect qemu:///system \ --pxe \ -n test \ -r 512 \ --vcpus=1 \ --disk path=/dev/vg0/test \ --vnc \ --noautoconsole \ --os-type linux \ --os-variant debianLenny \ --accelerate \ --network=bridge:br1 \ --hvm I run this and get: Starting install... Creating domain... 0 B 00:00 Domain installation still in progress. You can reconnect to the console to complete the installation process. Timeout, server not responding. Then I am back on my local host (I ssh in to the hypervisor). I connect back in, and I can now use virt-viewer to see the console and watch the install (already in progress). The same thing happens when I destroy test via virsh (why graceful shutdown a system being blown away?) I have found that other systems (like the DHCP VM) still respond to ping during this time. In fact, one of them is providing the VPN end point which I am using to get to the hypervisor, and the VPN connection never drops. In the logs, at the same time, I see only the following, though, looking around indicates that these are common and probably not indicitive of an error: May 10 15:27:38 hyper kernel: [492763.100101] device vnet5 entered promiscuous mode May 10 15:27:38 hyper kernel: [492763.104224] br1: port 6(vnet5) entering listening state May 10 15:27:47 hyper kernel: [492772.133560] br1: port 6(vnet5) entering learning state May 10 15:27:56 hyper kernel: [492781.146314] br1: topology change detected, propagating May 10 15:27:56 hyper kernel: [492781.150297] br1: port 6(vnet5) entering forwarding state Bridge is setup in /etc/network/interfaces as follows: auto br1 iface br1 inet static address 192.168.0.6 network 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.0.1 bridge_ports eth100 bridge_hello 2 bridge_fd 9 bridge_stp on Anyone else run into this? Any ideas? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dc99589.3020...@carpanet.net
xen on lenny stock
Hey All, Long time no email. Please cc me on replies, as I can't keep up with this list and no longer subscribe. SO I got some new hardware... to wit: Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-G33M-DS2R Drives: 4 250 GB SATA Anyway, Etch worked, right up until boot time came. Every single time I tried, I got dumped into a grubsh on boot and just got nowhere. So I moved to testing...lo and behold it worked. SO I am building my very minimal system up (I even unchecked standard system on install to keep my dom0 lean) Some packages I have installed: ii libc6-xen 2.6.1-1+b1 ii xen-hypervisor 3.1.1-1 ii xen-tools 3.8-4 ii xen-utils-3.1- 3.1.1-1 ii xen-utils-comm 3.1.0-1 ii linux-image-2. 2.6.22-4 ~# xm list WARING! Can't find hypervisor information in sysfs! Error: Unable to connect to xend: No such file or directory. Is xend running? # xend WARING! Can't find hypervisor information in sysfs! ERROR Internal error: Could not obtain handle on privileged command interface (2 = No such file or directory) Traceback (most recent call last): (snipped traceback) I found many copies all over the web of a post that describes this issue and a solution: http://www.debianhelp.org/node/11088 Except # dmesg |grep para Booting paravirtualized kernel on bare hardware ... and the changelog for the kernel says: * Update xen patch to changeset 48670 from fedora 2.6.20 branch. * Support xen versions 3.0.4-1 and 3.0.3-1. So am I reading this right that the linux-image currently in testing does NOT support the version of xen in testing? Is there an easy solution here? I don't really care hat version of xen I run so much as that I want it to run and I do NOT want to be in the custome kernel game. -Steve -- Mankind, The Public enemy's not the man who speaks his mind The Public enemy's the man who goes and acts blind -- Anthrax Keep it in the Fammily -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dpkg on other OSs
On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 08:25:56AM +, Colin Watson wrote: Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: at work we are looking into package management for sysadmin stuff that we do. Its not really my project but, as a debian supporter and a true believer in dpkg being better than rpm or anything else that I have seen, I am pushing for dpkg to be used. Mainly we are looking at using it under Solaris right now. I found a few old references scattered on the web to people doing this, and so far the best thing that I can see is to just dive into the dpkg source and have a go at compiling it etc. In any case, I figured I would throw out a message and ask, who is doing this right now? Any successes or caveats? Really any information would be great to help out. I don't know of anybody actively doing it, but as I understand it the dpkg code is fairly portable. I remember hearing of people getting it to compile under HP-UX, and Solaris is a good deal closer to Linux than that. If you have problems getting it bootstrapped, most of the interested people read debian-dpkg@lists.debian.org and will probably be happy to help. Ok thanks for the info. I will pass it along. Watch out for how this interacts with Solaris' own system, of course. Are you planning to use this as a means of managing /usr/local or something? Yes basically, at least I hope thats the plan. This is kind of in concert with an effort to get jumpstart working and cfengine so that we arn't building machines from scratch and erradically running around updating individual boxen. -Steve -- The Creation of the Universe was made possible by a grant from Texas Instruments. -- PBS
dpkg on other OSs
[please cc me on responses - I can't handle the volume of mail that comes from actually subscribing to this list - its been a long time since I had the time to read it] Ok... at work we are looking into package management for sysadmin stuff that we do. Its not really my project but, as a debian supporter and a true believer in dpkg being better than rpm or anything else that I have seen, I am pushing for dpkg to be used. Mainly we are looking at using it under Solaris right now. I found a few old references scattered on the web to people doing this, and so far the best thing that I can see is to just dive into the dpkg source and have a go at compiling it etc. In any case, I figured I would throw out a message and ask, who is doing this right now? Any successes or caveats? Really any information would be great to help out. -Steve -- The Creation of the Universe was made possible by a grant from Texas Instruments. -- PBS
lyx Bus Error...hardware?
I am having a frustrating problem installing and using lyx here at work and I
am wondering if it may be hardware, or software or what not. The story goes
like this:
On Friday I decided to install lyx on my system (see the histories below)
This is the latest lyx as apt-get got from frozen for me. It installed fine
and then I tired to run it, it went into its you don't have a configuration
ill make one for you and whirred away for a bit. Then before it even
came up with a window it said Bus Error. Now I get a buss error every time I
try to run it.
I get he following when I try to run it (as seen in xconsole):
Jun 8 09:23:53 localhost kernel: hda: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady
SeekComplete DataRequest Error }
Jun 8 09:23:53 localhost kernel: hda: read_intr: error=0x40 {
UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=1412038, sector=1411975
Jun 8 09:23:53 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 03:01, sector
1411975
Jun
This makes me think maybe a hardware error?
Here is the history of this system that might be helpful...
hardware:
it is a 486/66. It has 2 IDE hard drives (and only 1 IDE controller onboard)
Both drives are 810 MB.
On friday before last (end of may) We moved from one building to another here
at work. Being that we are the technicnas we had to move our own PCs,
during the trip the cart hit a bump and both of my PCs (this and the Win95
machine) fell over and took a good 3 foot fall to the ground, hitting the
concreat.
Software:
This system was originally bo...was upgraded to hamm before the freeze. It was
originally setup strictly for CD mastering of debian CDs for home (made CD
images to be burned elseware)
When attempting to make room for a new CD image I deleted tome directories I
shouldn't have...including everything under /usr/X11R6 (since atthat time I was
not using X)
I decided later to use X..and had a hell of a time installing it, dpkg
was not happy. (for a few files I even had to edit the dpkg database to tell
it they were not installed) Yes I know this was stupid to do...it was
before I was fully converted to dpkg.
I wish to salvage this machine if I can, I would rathe rnot re-install debian,
but if I have to I have to. Any ideas? what could cause the buss error in lyx?
-Steve
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Re: which script is missing from rpm
On Mon, Jun 08, 1998 at 03:44:18AM +, Robert Wilderspin wrote: On 5 Jun 98 03:39:03 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard E. Hawkins Esq. wrote: Which script is it that rpm doesn't have, that dpkg does? I had thought it was the post-removal, but I'm being challenged on that: None. In fact, rpm has one script debian lacks: the verify script. Forgive me if I'm wrong on this, because I'm only guessing here, but isn't that a duplicated step? That is, given an installation and a configuration of a package with no errors, isn't that verified enough? If the verify script ever produced a different result from after the install/configure stages then the package is erroneous. I would say yes and no. Actually I don't think this is a question of scripts really... I do wish that dpkg had the ability to not just spit out yes this package is installed but actually verify that it is installed and notify me of any potnetial problems with it (more thoroughly than --audit does I find --audit next to useless) The thing is dpkg has an advantage in this area...it saves a database of every package it encounters,l whether it is installed and all of the files it owns. This is a hefty advantage. There is no NEED for a verify script, dpkg can do it in a standard way just using that database. As I understand it if I went and did mv /bin/ae /bin/ae- and had an RPM..and used verify it would tell me that the package is broken because /bin/ae is gone, however...I just actually did this on my debian system and I can't even get dpkg to realize it is broken. It would be nice if dpkg would be able to check its database against the filesystem when asked and see if files are missing, and warn that Package X might be broken: XXX is missing etc If it could do this then it woul dhave IMHO a major advantage over RPM in that one does not actually need to have the original deb to verify the package and find problems, AFAIK to use RPM to do this you need the original RPM (I could be wrong it has been a while since I looked at RPM) hmm well...I have been looking for an excuse to peak at the dpkg source code for a while now...I doubt this would be TOO hard to impliment maybe I will have a peak (just for fun...I think my system is pretty hosed anyway...might as well screw around with dpkg) -Steve Like I said, it's a guess. :-) Rob Wilderspin -- But I need it to crash once every few days - reboots are the only chance I get to sleep... --= (send replies to rob@) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: lyx Bus Error...hardware? -Reply
On Mon, Jun 08, 1998 at 11:40:37AM -0500, Gregory Dickinson wrote:
Yes, it sounds very much like the drive is toasted. Which one, however, I'll
leave
to you to figure out :-) (look in the /etc/fstab to check the mount points,
etc. to
see exactly which drive is being referneced.)
Ahh goodie
well there is really only one drive it could be...
/dev/hda ...
/dev/hdb has only 2 partitions...one is mounted as /mnt/cdi and is about 700 MB
and is used for storing CD images...the other is /dev/hdb2
and is mounted as /usr/local ( I moved /usr/src into there and sym linked it
to save more space also)
I think this is the one...sigh...maybe if I bring it to the warehouse I can
get it upgraded to a pentium...
guess I will smbmount my NT home drive (if the sys admins had
any7 idea that I knew how to do that they would shit...)
and backup some of my more importnat data
-Steve
--Greg
Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/08/98 09:56am
I am having a frustrating problem installing and using lyx here at work and I
am wondering if it may be hardware, or software or what not. The story goes
like this:
On Friday I decided to install lyx on my system (see the histories below)
This is the latest lyx as apt-get got from frozen for me. It installed fine
and then I tired to run it, it went into its you don't have a configuration
ill make one for you and whirred away for a bit. Then before it even
came up with a window it said Bus Error. Now I get a buss error every time
I
try to run it.
I get he following when I try to run it (as seen in xconsole):
Jun 8 09:23:53 localhost kernel: hda: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady
SeekComplete DataRequest Error }
Jun 8 09:23:53 localhost kernel: hda: read_intr: error=0x40 {
UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=1412038, sector=1411975
Jun 8 09:23:53 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 03:01, sector
1411975
Jun
This makes me think maybe a hardware error?
Here is the history of this system that might be helpful...
hardware:
it is a 486/66. It has 2 IDE hard drives (and only 1 IDE controller onboard)
Both drives are 810 MB.
On friday before last (end of may) We moved from one building to another here
at work. Being that we are the technicnas we had to move our own PCs,
during the trip the cart hit a bump and both of my PCs (this and the Win95
machine) fell over and took a good 3 foot fall to the ground, hitting the
concreat.
Software:
This system was originally bo...was upgraded to hamm before the freeze. It was
originally setup strictly for CD mastering of debian CDs for home (made CD
images to be burned elseware)
When attempting to make room for a new CD image I deleted tome directories I
shouldn't have...including everything under /usr/X11R6 (since atthat time I
was
not using X)
I decided later to use X..and had a hell of a time installing it, dpkg
was not happy. (for a few files I even had to edit the dpkg database to tell
it they were not installed) Yes I know this was stupid to do...it was
before I was fully converted to dpkg.
I wish to salvage this machine if I can, I would rathe rnot re-install debian,
but if I have to I have to. Any ideas? what could cause the buss error in lyx?
-Steve
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Re: cd writers linux
On Mon, Jun 08, 1998 at 10:38:06AM -0400, Paul Miller wrote: On Mon, 8 Jun 1998, Robert Wilderspin wrote: On 8 Jun 98 02:56:07 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For writing audio CDs I would recommend a WORM. That sort of data doesn't really need the advantage of being able to remove and add new files. Plan the compilation, write it, enjoy - at less than 1UKP per disc. Is there a difference between the two types of disc -- do worm driver permanetly alter the disc (ie, burning holes, etc.) and do rewritable store very magnetically (like diskettes)? As far as I understand this... WORM looks like it stands for Write Once Recordable Media. or some vairation. These are the standard CDR or CD Burner drives... They make permanant pits iinto the disk and can not be erased (well ok... they can be erased...just dip them in some acetone... but they can not be erased AND re-used) The re-writeable are differnt...they burn (make pits) just like the WORM but they are more complex...the drive has a special mode where it heats them much much more and erases teh pits, so that they can be burned again. I was reading about these re-writables the other day..they are much more expensive for both the drive and the disks, also AFAIK the disks can (generally) NOT be used in normal CD drives (they are less reflective and thus require a more powerful laser, other than that there is little differnce) personally I think CDRs (WORM I guess is another name..if my gues isn';toff) work great. I usually CD CDR disks (blank obviouslyt ;) between $2-$3 (I can actually get em for $1.40/ea) Thats cheap enough for me, and they work great. BTW they seem very suceptible to IO bandwidth.. a few things: 1) never burn files that are not stored on a local drive 2) put the writer on its own IDE controller, it should not share a controller with another drive that is being used 3) SCSI is better than IDE :) as for what drive to getim not sure whats supported right now...there is a HOWTO somewhere -Steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: copyright howto (was: none)
NB: This is a rather long message. It contains mainly my views, musings, and general distaste for the US legal system. I supose at this point this is really off-topic here but...it started out on topic a coupla days ago I just re-read the end of this message...and can't figure out how this discussion went there ...ok now for me to send this meaasge and get away from legal things and do something in the real world On Fri, Jun 05, 1998 at 12:01:28PM +0200, Jens Ritter wrote: Richard E. Hawkins Esq. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While I understand tand applaud the ideas and goals, being a lawyer myself, there's no way I'll touch such a project--it's a liablity problem waiting to happen. Generally, and recognise that this is not legal advise, and that I'm probably not licensed in your jurisdiction anywaay, explaining what the law *is* isn't legal advise, and wouldn't (usually) be actionable if incorrect. Explain how to do a specific thing, and you're a lot closer. Apply it to a particular person's situation, and you're all the way on the hooks--the person you explainded it too, for free, and the DA, for practicing without a license. (BTW what´s DA?) probably: District Attourny Can you get around this hanging sword above ones head, by expressing ones opinion? I would say yes...but...thats me... My views tend to disagree strongly with lawyers, politicians, judges, etc I tend to care more about the morality and intent of issues than the legal side But this sure depends on good wording and might have to stand in court. Yes true...it doesn't matter what it means in the real world...it matters what it means in that weird universe known as courtwhere things like truth and justice takeon some really twisted meanings This is reall a job that needs a lawyer with a *big* EO (malpractice) policy. Not just for the possibility of mistakes, but because it is expensive to be sued when write. ..sigh...life would be so much simpler if people didn't feel this perverse need to have laws and government. At least it is comforting to know that lawmakers, lawyers, etc will be the first ones up against the wall when the revolution comes (no empire lasts forver...I just hope the current ones don't last much longer) it is so silly to think that someone can, in good faith, try to help people out by compiling information for them, can do this without being asked, for free...and can be sued for it by some ingrateful slime am I the only one who sees the sad irony in that? on a more practical note I have to wonder, are there any cases where someone wrote something like this, and distributed it freely to anyone who wished to have it, for no charge (not necissarilly on the net but preferably) and been sued for bad legal advice? Moreover have any of these disclaimers seen all over the internet on pretty much every document, ever been tested in court. I ask mostly because courts tend to be very weird in that all of the legal analysis in the world really tends to mean jack shit until a real case comes up and it happens in court. I guess keeping that in mind...if this specific case has not been tested in court then the person writting it and putting their name on it should be prepared to have to test it (tho personally I doubt it would happen) course...I supose now it might be too late for it to be published anonymously? sigh...is there anything now that is as good as anon.penet.fi used to be a coupla years back? (of course that all assumes the person intending to write it was willing to not put their name on it..I forget who started this threadbut...thats probably what I would do if it came down to it) then again...it would probably be best done that way...and to just find some apropriate place to ask users to publicly post recommendations for additions ..that way they can't ask you directly for clarification (which woul dbe that much more so legal advice) actually..thats not true...if it were _ME_ I would just write it and releace it and say screw the law. I tend to just live my life and do what I do, if what I do is legal fine...if not...thats fine too...cuz I don't care I care more about moral than legal (as it is I have a web page in my name even with my adress on it, where I openly admit to having done things, some of which are illegal...including drug use, attempts to grow marijuana (been away from that stuff for a while but I left it on the web page even tho I don't do it anymore). Also on one of the pages I am most proud of giving tips on how to disrupt the operations of the DEA (for fun...I myself never did any of them) and the disclaimer I have was written almost exclusivly as a joke because I thought it was funny) ...I have never been sued or had any legal actions brought agaisnt me whatsoever maybe this is a differnt type of thing alltogethr... my point is... I personally wouldn't worry to much about it...as in... I
Re: X Colors
On Fri, Jun 05, 1998 at 12:31:04PM -0500, Matthew Myers wrote: How do you change the X default 8bpp color to something higher? I really need this please. edit the file /etc/X11/XF86Config ..in the section where it lists your screen setup (ie it is the last section that mrentions your vid card, monitor, and resolutions) add : DefaultColorDepth # where # is the color depth you want -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cgi-bin scripts for ppp dial-up
On Fri, Jun 05, 1998 at 10:37:09AM +0100, Edward Betts wrote: hi, I wonder whether any body can help. i am trying to get my system (halve bo, halve hamm) to dial-up the internet. yes it works, but only by running pon as root. i want to have a cgi-script so that all my users on win95 boxes can dial-up (this box does ip masq). how? There are many ways to do this... [read on] i have the scrips, basically they say connecting, and run pon. no joy, pon can not find pppd cause it is in /usr/sbin/ and they are running with a uid and gid of www-data. the scripts are owned by root.root so i make them setuid, no joy there say error. a script can NOT be made suid, only binary executables can be made suid. This is actually a security thing... suid scripts are generally a security hole and much easier to exploit than most errors in compiled binaries. It is for this reason that the ability to make scripts suid is not included...and has not been available for as long as I have been using linux...probably much longer. i tried adding www-data to the dip and dialout groups, again no joy :-( i changed the line in the cgi to /usr/sbin/pppd and it found pppd but pppd did not have read access to /etc/ppp/peers/provide because it was running as www-data. what is the correct way of doing this? Ok there are a few workarounds hereall depending on how worried you are about security and esp about your own users. A) you can make pppd suid root (or sgid dip i would guess). (not a nice option) B) try this install sudo ...edit the /etc/sudoers file to allow www-data group to run pon as root (or as group dip). Then edit your cgi to use sudo to run it (btw you will need to allow this with no password) [read the docs on sudo] As long as you are not worried about your own users trying too hard to subvert security, that should work. The main problem would be if THEY could write their own CGIs and use them...then they could write a cgi that uses sudo to run pppd...of course...then they need to be able to do something with that (they need some way to exploit that ability) on the whole this solution should work... there are of course other ways... this is just what I can think of off the top of my head... NB: be carefull...it is very easy to make a mistake editing sudoers. just last night I made my girlfriend an sudoer to let her run pppd so she can connect to my isp and use itI accidently did it wrong and gave her full acess with no password to any command (I didn't fix it tho cuz I am not worried about her having that acess through sudo..._) -Steve PS what i sthe cgi written in? is it perl? have you thought of suidperl? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to make X fonts Bigger
On Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 04:34:12PM +, Christian Zander wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Wed, 03 Jun 1998, Kevin Atkinson wrote: Is there any way to make all X fonts say 1.5 times bigger than they are now? If not does anyone know who to make netscapes fonts bigger, in areas such as the message list. My major complaint about debian is that it doesn't provide any real eazy way to customize X-Windows. Thanks. There is a really easy (Debian) way of adding True Type font support to your X server. All you need to do is to get the xfstt package, create a /var/ttfonts directory, copy the fonts you would like to have into it, add FontPath unix/:7100 to the Files Section of your XF86Config file (/etc/X11/XF86Config) and start the xfstt just a little before X. I did this by modifying the xfs startup script in /etc/init.d (see atachment). If you are running a hamm system, I am the xfstt maintainer and the current version uploaded into unstable already has an init.d script which it automatically installs. You do however still need to add it to the fontpath manually (which makes sense really..since it doesn't come with any fonts it will not run properly even from that script until you actually get some fonts) If you are interested you can get the source and compile it for bo .. but I don't have a bo system and all so I didn't compile it for bo and put it in bo-unstable but...the source version should compile just fine [side note] The /var/ttfonts will be changing soon. The use of this directory was reported as a bug as it violates the filesystem standard... it doens't break anything but I will be changing it as soon as I can find the time and motivation (life is crazy lately) -Steve pgp9rJOyXITkF.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How to make X fonts Bigger
On Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 07:37:19PM +, Rev. Joseph Carter wrote: I have xfstt now. Have not tried xfsft. And unfortunately fonts like fixed don't exist in TT form. Also, netscape can't use fixed width TT fonts with xfstt at least. I lookind into xfsft a while ago...but decided that packageing xfsft for debian was going to be allot of work and really was more than I wanted to get into. Supposedly it is better than xfstt (then again this is a claim made mostly by the authors of xfsft...) The problem I saw when I looked at it was this... They used xfs as a base and used bothe the source code from xfs and freetype but..they took both of these together, wrote their code and made a diff. This means that to compile xfsft you need to first download the source code for all of X11 (since that is where xfs is) and either cut out xfs or use the whole tree...then download freetype source and unpack that... then and only then can you try applying the diff and compiling it. This presents a few problems with versions and things...and the only real advantage I see is that it has all of the functionality of xfs...so there is no need to run 2 font servers. back to xfstt Yes the fixed fonts...I just have not had time to look into it...but I plan to it is on my TODO list...unfortunatly things like find an apartment and go to work keep getting placed in the front of my TODO queue instead of the back like most things. I should ask before I start...do you know of any fixed truetype fonts? I mean are there truetype fonts that when used show up as a fixed width? can you give me some examples that I can test and play around with? (btw another thing on my TODO list is to see if it is feasable to add suport to xfstt for more than 1 simultaneous connection to the server over TCP/IP ...it should be a simple matter of fork()ing around with it ;) -Steve pgpcGwyBDrFul.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How to make X fonts Bigger
On Thu, Jun 04, 1998 at 04:06:38PM +, Christian Zander wrote: Getting the fonts is up to you.. Have a look at the FAQ or browse the net to find a LOT of places that supply you with FREE fonts. Of course you could simply take the fonts from ..\windows\fonts (files like Verdana.ttf), but looking at that from the license supplied with windows, this would not be nice (who cares?) TTF fonts are not supplied with any of the standard X packages, since xfstt is not, either and the fonts need to be really free so that they can be distributed under the GPL. Wanted to mention... as the maintainer for xfstt I have my eye out for any really free TT Fonts (public domain, gpl, just basically anything free enough to be added to the xfstt package) i would like to make a package of TTfonts and maybe even include one or two with xfstt itself. The problem is that to go into main they must be free so if anyone out there reading this has any good free tt fonts...or has the ability/desire to make some... please let me know (I just don't have the time right now to go searching around for free fonts...) -Steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to make X fonts Bigger
On Thu, Jun 04, 1998 at 11:38:28AM -0400, Lewis, James M. wrote: on the fixed fonts question... I have the following truetype fixed pitch fonts on nt3.51: thanx for the list of TT fixed fonts...I should have those somewhere These all work with emacs on nt...(don't ask, I do the best I can with company policy being what it is). heh I used emacs for win95 once There are probably some of these in win95 but I don't use it and don't know... I haven't read the license to know if you are free to use them with a non-M$ os even though you may have bought them with win95 (or whatever). well This was discussed once on here...maybe 2 months ago? You can look at it this way: You have a licence for Win95, under no circumstances does anyone ever install and use the FULL OS (it would be impossible to have every pice of hardware in existance that win95 comes with a driver for on 1 PC would it not?) In this case as long as you have a licence ot use win95...you should be able to use the fonts under linux...because you have a licence for use of the Win95 OS and you are validly using part of that OS. Is this M$s view on the subject? probably not...in fact I would not be surprized to see them argue that it is completly illegal...and a violation of their licence. However...the day that that argument stands up in court (even for Micro$oft) is the day that I will finnaly loose the last shred of respect I have for government and courts (which is hanging on some very thin threads as it is) -Steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tar exclude options
On Thu, Jun 04, 1998 at 11:40:52AM -0400, Richard E. Hawkins Esq. wrote: As I read the man page and info page, tar -zcv -f hawktar980603 . -X News -X www -X Office40 should tar the local directory to the new file hawktar980603 save for the directories News, www, and Office40 according tot he man page -X is the same as --exclude-from so this should not work however, it cheerfully includes all of these. I get the same results with an --exclude-from exfiles, where exfiles lists these? am I missing somethign? I dunno...I never really go tit to work right I think you want tar --exclude file --exclude file2 czv ./ (or some variation on that) as I said I never got it to work but..I thought it had something to do with a / and the .. ... it may have been ./* or something -STeve rick -- These opinions will not be those of ISU until it pays my retainer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Windows Registry Editor for Linux
There was a thread a week or 2 ago where someone asked if there was a registry editor for linux. In that thread I said that I did not know of one but had a file whioch described the registry (written by someone outside of M$ who spent a few sleepless nights reverse engineering it) The next few days after that post I recived numerous responses asking me for the file. I had it at work ..and it was over a long weekend...so I don't think I sent it to everyone who asked for it. Since I am not sure who I gave it to and it is too long to post here... I placed it in my public_html dir on my ISP...so... for anyone who wants it point a browser at http://www.gis.net/~sjc/winreg.txt it is not linked from the web page there at all..I just placed it there now I will be removing this file at some point (lets say I will leave it there at least until monday...no gaurantees beyond that...but it may be there longer) I would like to see someone write a Windows Registry editor for linux (I think it would be cool...not terribly usefull but cool...hmm a linux emergency boot disk with a windows reg editor??) I don't know if there is actually enough info in the file to do it...but there is allot of info (on the Win3.1, win95 AND WinNT registry) as a side note... wine actually works well enough to use regedit for win95 -Steve pgpX2flwCLcUZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: FW: about K6 bug
On Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 10:11:17AM -0400, Richard E. Hawkins Esq. wrote: (ex: Office Max here in Anchorage has Packard Bell 200MMX's with 32MB SDRAM, 3GB HD's, 56k modems etc. for $699. The demo at the store has been running for over a month solid now with no problems...). Yep, that's about how long that brand will run :) More seriously, I'd avoid packard bill unless, perhaps, it has been given to you. They have a tendency to use non-standard parts that can't be replaced with standard parts (oddly sized motherboards and the like), and are *grossly* disproportionately represented int the computer from hell gripes. That has been my experiance... a demo at a store is one thing... my first PC (as in Intel Based machine...my machine up until that was an Apple II GS- with a blazin 65816 runnin at 2.6 MHz) was a Packard Bell Pentium 100. Within 1 month the mouse died...and currently (going on 2 years later) the keyboard is finiky (not sure if it is the keyboard or the motherboard connector) I got to the point of wanting a bigger system quickly... I was able to add RAM...by contorting my hands in odd ways as to make them fit inside the tiny case (adding a tape drive was even worst) I found out I could not upgrade the processor as they used a cheap motherboard that at most supported a Pentium 100 (gee they didn't advertise that) The system is so weird...it took me an hour to figure out how to open the case (instructions on how to do that were only included in the online docs which I couldn't get for obvious reasons...it was off!) I never did get the soundcard to work under linux...and...do you want to run X on one of their monitors? good luck figuring out what the Hsync and Vsync frequencies are! I was able to figure out from the FCC ID who REALLY made the monitor (what you think Packard Bell makes monitors?) and what its model # really was...from that I was able to get it to work fine. It is my personal current policy that I will never again buy a Name Brand system (with the few exceptions being SUN, DEC, SGI.. when I can afford them ...someday) I have found that with a few careful purchases it is easy to come up witht the parts to build a system rather cheaply...and it is nice to know that you are the one who decided to cut the corner and buy cheap parts...rather than leaving the decision on which parts to spend more on and which parts to buy cheaply to some company. (BTW avoid BIOSTAR motherboards...I have run into one that WILL NOT work with linux...it tested fine with win95 but had IDE errors under linux.) -Steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: File-system on tape
On Tue, May 26, 1998 at 10:15:58PM -0600, Lazar Fleysher wrote: Hi, Hi Is it possible to create a file system on a tape drive ( like on mainframes) and use it as a disk? I know it is very slow, but is it possible? That is really very sick and twisted to even think of such a thing... hmm I wonder why I never thought of it :) Well...of course it is POSSIBLE to mount a filesystem from a tape drive... it might require writting your own device drivers to do it ;) (and if you are as knowledgable abou tthe kernel soucrecode and internals as I am...well...then your really screwed cuz I for one wouldn't even know where to begin something like that) AFAIK there is currently no suport for doing this sick and twisted thing I doubt seriously that support is planned, even in the distant future. If not, is it possible to have several files on one tape and how to access them? Yes this can be done...in fact I have seen backup scripots that use it to get more thna one backup onto 1 tape. There are really 2 ways to do this... A) use tar to tar up all o fthe files you want then to get them out just use tar and tell it exactly which file you want it to take out (this is probably the best way) B) use mt...with mt you can add an EOF marker to a tape and do all sorts of stuff (like retension, rewind, advance to next EOF, etc) check out man mt -Steve PS replying to me by mail directly may not work...I am at work on my linux box and still working on getting e-mail working properly. My proper main e-mail adress is [EMAIL PROTECTED] (it gets forwarded from there but...I never tell where to so I can change ISPs transparently) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: off-topic - netscape
Rev. Joseph Carter wrote: On Mon, May 25, 1998 at 01:05:12AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As it stands with the latest version, it installs, and it adds scripts et al to start and stop through init (ie it starts on boot now) but, if there are no fonts, it is all for naught - it will fail to run at startup et al because it has no fonts but anyway...once it has fonts...Netscape looks GREAT! Netscape won't let you use a TT font for fixed stuff though.. xfstt doesn't bother to report that fixed width fonts are I think. This is prolly an upstream issue. hmm really?I well...I never even thought to try that! I will look into ittho yea thats probably going to turn out to be an upstream issue The source code for xfstt is not...um...heavilly commented (im being polite :) when I showed the code to a co-worker he noted the lack of comments and asked if the author was russian) In fact I added a signal handler to the program as part of the code to handle making a pid file (so it will start on startup easily et al)...I think between 20 lines of code or so, I have as amny comments as the whole rest of the file -I try to comment liberally but not too much) in any case...I will look into it...I never even thought to try using a truetype font for fixed text...it seems kind of twisted to me (sort of Why would you wanna go there?) -Steve Part 1.2 Type: application/pgp-signature -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart. -- H. L. Mencken (1880-1956) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: !!! URGENT !!! Can't boot back to Win95
Michael Beattie wrote: On Fri, 22 May 1998, Ionut Borcoman at musa wrote: Hi, It's a little bit humorous, but I'm unable to boot back to WIn95. And my boss is in a hurry ! I've played a little with the kernel and now it didn't recognize the vfat2 partition. Anything else is working, just this is not. I have installed the lilo and I cannot remove it. The method with booting from floppy and giving fdisk /mbr doesn't work. Here is my lilo.conf: I dont want to upset you, but I _think_ you have fried your win95 partition... I believe that your 'boot=/dev/sda1' has killed the windows loader... I dont know how to best explain how it works, as I dont know for sure... I use 'boot=/dev/hda' -- no 1 I knew when I looked at that lilo.conf something was wrong...however...it looks like just the boot information was screwedI think this can be fixed boot=/dev/sda1 root=/dev/sda3 compact install=/boot/boot.b map=/boot/map vga=normal delay=20 image=/vmlinuz label=linux read-only root=/dev/sda3 image=/vmlinuz.old label=old read-only root=/dev/sda3 other = /dev/sda1 label=win95 table = /dev/sda the 'other = /dev/sda1' line says boot off of /dev/sda1, but you have installed LILO there, that is why you get it again... It registers the win95 entry, but, if I type win95 at the LILO: prompt, I just receive another LILO: prompt. Also, it will be better if the Win95 will be default SO. When you get it going... a 'default=win95' in the section at the top will fix it... I hope this reason for your problem is not the case for you, But I have done this myself once, and It was not a pleasant feeling in my gut when I realized. After reading all of this...here is what I would dowrite down where your linux root is... boot a windows 95 disk...you should be able to c: to get onto the hard drive. from there fdisk /mbr this will destroy lilo and reinstall the Win95 boot loader... then get out your linux emergency boot disk (you do have one right?... ig no tlook for Tom's Unix on a Floppy (as the lsm for it says sunsite.unc.edu /pub/Linux/system/recovery tomsrtbt-1.1.4.38.tar.gz ) mount yout root partition and then cd /mnt/etc edit lilo.conf to aply the fix above then lilo -C lilo.conf (from /mnt/etc) NB: I have not done THIS specifically...This is however what I would personally do (remember don't fdisk /mbr unless when you boot off of the floppy for win95 you can see and use the C: drive) Good Luck...hopefully you wont need it -Steve -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart. -- H. L. Mencken (1880-1956) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A WinNT 4.0 registry editor for Un*x?
Ulisses Alonso wrote: Hi all Does such thing exist? nothing exists that I know of...however...I do have a file which describes the registryit gives byte offsetts...all sorts of info possibly enough info to write an editor (somebody decided to spend a few sleepless nights and compile such a file, covers win3.1, win95 and NT) It was not written by M$...and I doubt they would give out the info without signing some serious NDAs and probably giving them a good amount of $$ ..and even then they might not tell you much someone asked me to write one..and gave me this file but... it is way to complex for meand looks like a PITA to work with... I am forrced to wonder if this convoluted system is some brilliant system which was made purposfully convoluted so that noone else can work with it without help from M$ or if it is just one more example of very very poor planning and bad programming (I am inclined to believe the latter over the former) (BTW if you want that file on the regisrtyI think I can find it...) -Steve -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart. -- H. L. Mencken (1880-1956) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Folders in pine
Ana Graca Silva wrote: Hello! Hello! I really don't know how to configure pine to select mails based on the subject of the messages and to redirect them to different folders. Can someone help me? There is a really good reason that you don't know how to do that..its becausepine is a mail reader and doesn't do that :) (well ok it might do that but there are better ways) procmail is one of those better ways... you will want to write a .procmailrc for processin gmails... this is a file with a number of recipies for delivering your mail and is very very powerfull. for example...(I don't redirect by subject but you can) a recipe I use is : :0 * ^X-Mailing-List: debian-devel path/to/the/mailbox/you/want/it/stored/in it has many options...check the man pages for procmail and procmailrc (you may also need to ass a line like |procmail to you .forward to get it to work) -Steve I'm using smail, debian 1.3.1 |\___/| .0.0. (= - =) Ana Graca Silva uuu uuu [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://uevora.pt/~ags -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart. -- H. L. Mencken (1880-1956) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to convert Microsoft mail to Netscape mail ?
Daniel ANDRE wrote: Ionut Borcoman at musa wrote: Hi, As I try to move all my files from Win95 to Linux, I would like also to move my e-mails from the MS Outlook to Netscape Mail. (At the time I started to use Win95, Outlook from MS Office looked OK, but now I have a different opinion.) Outlook can import messages from Netscape, but Netscape doesn't have such a filter. There is a technical note on netscape home page (don't have the exact url on hand) I went through something like this a while ago...I was moving from exchange to netscape mail...I found a program that will do the conversion but...costs much $$ for a licenceand I only needed it once so I wasn't about to pay for it! I would bet that outlook uses the same mailbox format as exchange so... get MSIM (Microsoft Internet Mail) it has the ability to import exchange mailboxes and convert them to its format (which is a real hack up of unix standard mailbox format...all the messages and headers are stored as ascii text but the line before each message that is usually From had weird charicters...8 bitters) anyway..there is then a program on the net somewhere (search for it) that converts from MSIM to Eudora...which uses the same mailbox format as Nutscrape (which is standard maildir format...used by pine etc) -Steve (and all that worked without paying the $700 or so to get the other program... then my hard drive crashed loosing all of that anywaysigh) -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart. -- H. L. Mencken (1880-1956) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to convert Microsoft mail to Netscape mail ?
Rev. Joseph Carter wrote: On Tue, May 19, 1998 at 11:10:15AM -0400, Stephen Carpenter wrote: From had weird charicters...8 bitters) anyway..there is then a program on the net somewhere (search for it) that converts from MSIM to Eudora...which uses the same mailbox format as Nutscrape (which is standard maildir format...used by pine etc) Umm, you mean mbox I am guessing. Maildir is nice but it's not even in pine by default. It's in Debian's pine, but that's because there's a patch for it. = yes I do...oops mbox == one file with several messages maildir == several files with only one message each Maildir's layout have a directory with 3 subdirs, new, cur, and tmp. Everything is done in those dirs. hmm interesting...I have always used mbox format...I think I looked at maildir once... I have a much more simple setup :) I just have ~/mail for all of my incomming mail mailboxes...and ~/mail/read/ for all my mboxes of mail that has been read already and I let mutt sort out what mail has been read and what hasn't. maybe it is time to revise my system a bit... BTW its sortt of another topic (ok completly) but...in mutt what is the definition of = or + in a mailbox name? I had the darndest time setting it up to tell it which files are incomming and which read mail should be moved to...I got it finnaly but I couldnever find a good definition of the differecne and what they actually mean this all reminds me...I was working on a project involving mail...I must resserect that.,.. -Steve Part 1.2 Type: application/pgp-signature -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart. -- H. L. Mencken (1880-1956) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ATAPI Tape Drives
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anybody give me any con's of the Seagate Tapestor 8G IDE tape drive? I found a great deal on one and want to look out for any gotcha's. I checked the Hardware compatibility list and it is on there but I thought I would just check. The ide-tape.c driver says it is still alpha. How stable/unstable is it? Can I count on it for reliable backups? I take it you mean the 4 gig / 8 gig (travan TR4)?Well...I bought a SCSI one for about $209 and I think it works great. I don't see why the IDE version wouldn't work...essentially it is the same drive so if the IDE portions of it work then...like I said...a great drive just a week or two ago I did a complete backup, repartitioned my drive (backup being tar cf /dev/st0 / /home -l ) and then booted off a floppy and restored (after repartitioning, reformatting) and it worked great. like I said thoI dunno about IDE... the only thing about IDE is I kno wit doesn't recommend (manual was the same for both version BTW) putting it on the same IDE controller as the hard drive if you can afford it (remember I said I paid $209 for a SCSI version of the same drive at www.compuplus.com) I would go SCSI , but if you have a free IDE controller (I think it doesn't mind too much going on the same one as a CD ROM drive) then the IDE SHOULD work I was advised before I was even looking at tape drives You can use any scsi drive and most IDE drives -Steve Thanks, Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: share files
Timothy C. Phan wrote: Hi, hi I'd like to know how can I share linux directories to other PC connected to the same network. I have a 2 linux boxes, 1 NT/WS, 1 NT/server and 1 95/notebook. ok so you have 2 NT workstations and 1 95 Workstation I would suggest SAMBA Samba allows you to share files using LanManger protocols (the technical name is Server Message Buffer)Windows NT and 95 not only suport this...it is what they normally use there are many ways to set that up samba is available as a debian package ...there are of course other ways... you could get an NFS client for the Win95 machine (marathon is a pretty nice one last time I saw it in action anway...forget who makes it) but I think using samba is the best (and cheapest) way to go -Steve Thanks! your welcome-Steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: !!! URGENT !!! Lost access to my system
Ionut Borcoman wrote: Hi, Thanks for the tips. Now, my system is working again. I've aded the system users from a backup of the passwd. Mainly the mail, www-user, etc. I just wonder about several things: good to hear its back up 1. how do I test that everything is back to normal ? Thats not easy...um... passwd works? um chsh and all thatgood stuf um w ...you can log in...sounds fixed to me :) 2. how do I avoid things like this in the future ? Don't be stupid ;)what exactly that means well...ya got me I have messed up my own system more than once Probably will again at some pointmy suugestion is to invest in a tape drive to backup with (SCSI tape drives rule) They work great...and will hgelp with even more serious problms (lets say you install a buggy package from unstable and it decides that you don't need to unmount filesystems on rebootso you start rebooting lot to try to figure out what is causing it and fix it...and it destroys your filesystem before you find it...lets just say I wish I had my tape backup way back when) of course...then...you probably will do what I do and not backup properly or frequently enough 3. it looks that I have no more the shadow installed. How do I check this and do I need it at all ? IMHO no you dn't need it...The only people who really need it are larger companmies runing multiuser systems who actually have data to worry about intrusion... if you run a simple home system then no All shadow passwords really do is hide the password hash so crackers have nothing to take home and tsrt a few machines brute forcing I use them simply because I hit Y at install time...if it required mor ethna that I wouldn't Thanks again to all that answered so quickly to my !!! URGENT !!! need. BTW I noticed you got it fixed with the use ofinit=/bin/bash (or some shell) that works great BUT I noticed a deficiancy in the message... I was advised that if you come up in that mode... you MUST double sync before reboot (well you don't HVAE to but... its a really good idea) so when you are done just sync;sync;reboot (there was some disscussion of this a week or so ago...in this case it is perfectly safe...and proper) -Steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to zmodem via telnet?
interesting..sorta hits home... Bob McGowan wrote: -Original Message- From: shaul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 12:09 PM To: Vesa Kaihlavirta Cc: recipient list not shown; @[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: how to zmodem via telnet? ++ I'd like to telnet to my ISP, download a file via lynx, and zmodem it to my ++ local terminal. Problem is, when I choose that `use zmodem...', I only get ++ the zmodem handshaking line (with *B and lots of zeros). ++ ++ So, how do I launch rz? No need to use sz, the original poster wants to receive the file from the remote (the system s/he is telnet'd to) to their local system, so 'rz' is correct, to 'receive' the file. sounds right to me :) But I am a bit confused, here. Generally, using telnet implies a TCP/IP network connection, so an ftp to the same remote system to retrieve the file would also work and would probably be easier. Ahhh that sounds nice doesn't it?until very recently I had a very nice problem... My web page is on delphi and until recently they did no tallow ftp at all... being an old VAX system which has been operating since the mid-early 80s and really until recently hasn't chenged terribly much in allot of ways... even through telnet...I could only at best zmodem the files (tho kermit and xmodem were also availble for the true masochists) using a standard serial connection with something like 'cu', where you could reach the serial port as /dev/tty??, but I don't know how you would make it work over a TCP/IP connection. Many modern terminal emulation programs can also be configured to detect the 'send Zmodem' initialization string (the *B... stuff) and automatically invoke the receive zmodem procedure. For telnent to do this means a change in the code to support the Zmodem protocol (which has been done, in at least one case, for a telnet/rlogin program for M$ Windows systems - I don't remember the actual package offhand, if you need it let me know and I will search my archives for it). CRT = Combined Rlogin and Telnet ...great little progam works like a charmBefore I got rid of windows completely I used it all the time check out www.vandyke.com one of the few Windows programs I can actually say was very well done I have heard of someone hacking their telnet bit so that it would allow them to suspend it and then pipe its output to a command (ie rz) or vica versa IMHO it is a GREAT IDEA... I may look at the source and hack that one up myself (yea I could just look for the patch but...not as much fun..besdies...sounds liek an easy one) for such a simple and usefll little feature...im surprized it doesn't come standard as a part of telnet -Steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: changing a users group
I think vipw also performs some sanity checks... (least that what it says) I think that s anice thing...I would bet an extra charicter in juts the wrong spot could suffciantly screw a system up course..I only used vipw once...and I didn't change anything... I immediatly exited the program as soon as I realized it was vi based (as a matter of preference I hate using vi for anything) -Steve Joost Kooij wrote: On Fri, 8 May 1998, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Fri, May 08, 1998 at 08:03:51AM +0100, Joop Stakenborg wrote: Matthew D. Myers wrote: How do you change a users group assignments without manually editing the passwd and group and also shadowed files. use vipw for editting your password file and vigr for the group file. Which is just the same as manually editing them. Is there a good reason to use vipw, instead of just vi /etc/passwd? AFAIK vipw is supposed to lock the password file or at least perform the edits on a scratch copy of the original file and merge in the changes with the real /etc/passwd (which may have changed while you were editing) when you're ready. Cheers, Joost -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ensoniq AudioPCI card
Thanx for the info...sometimes it is good to be wrong :) -Steve Joel Klecker wrote: At 21:19 -0400 1998-05-04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The AudioPCI is available with the OSS/Linux drivers... there is also an OSS/Free set of drivers but AudioPCI is alas, unsuported by those :( It looks (maybe im just guessing) like Ensoniq is being a PITA and not releacing info without NDAs and $$ so...don't expect to see a Free driver soon (Like I said..im just uesing but..thats a good bet as to why) Nope, there is a free AudioPCI driver: http://www.ife.ee.ethz.ch/~sailer/linux/audiopci.html -- Joel Espy Kleckermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://web.espy.org/ Debian GNU/Linux Developer...http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PGP Key at: http://www.gis.net/~sjc/pgp.asc (BTW Thanx allot Noah for pointing out why putting my pgp key here was a bad idea...now I hafta find a new funny quote or something for here) Ummm, me make *one* change. Stone hot so me soak in stream so stone not burn Lorto hand. Small change, shoul dnot keep Lorto from make Fire. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Rescue Disks
I am looking fro a good resource and information on making Emergency Boot Floppies Specifically I need to mke one for my own system with some specific system dependant stuff... It needs the obvious stuff...custom kerenl and command line options for it but thats th eeasy part (I kno whow to do that) it is the rest of it that is a problem basically I need a disk with enough functionaliy to boot me into a small filesystem where I can mount drives and repair (my real emphasis is more on being able to mount the filesystem and re-dump a tape bakup back onto it...so I guess I need mt and tar) hmm thinkin gabout it...I have a parallel port zip drive that works great...maybe I shoul djust follow the Zip-Install howto and instal a small system on that for repair use BTW I plan to test all this by dumping a backup to tape and repartitioning my hard drive and backing up -Steve -- PGP Key at: http://www.gis.net/~sjc/pgp.asc (BTW Thanx allot Noah for pointing out why putting my pgp key here was a bad idea...now I hafta find a new funny quote or something for here) Ummm, me make *one* change. Stone hot so me soak in stream so stone not burn Lorto hand. Small change, shoul dnot keep Lorto from make Fire. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Questions, questions, questions...*sigh*
Hi! Ok lets see... your hardware should be fine...I dont know about that sound card tho (BTW I have been advised to stay away from anything by SIIG...cheap stuff) SOund is usually something you might wanna wait a while to setup :) it can be confusing. My best advice is to take it slow at first...chances are you willl screw your whole systeme up a few times and hafta reinstall...but... its all part of learning :) ok partitioning... yes your new 500 MB drive should be partitioned. if it is ONLY going to have linux on it then... 2 partition sshoul db ejust fine... lets assume that you have the drive as the second (slave) drive on the first IDE controller...under linux the second drive is called /dev/hdb and partitions on it are labeled /dev/hdb# (where # is the number of the partition) you will have /dev/hdb1 and /dev/hdb2 /dev/hdb1 should be you rmain linux partition and take up most of the drive thats where all of your files go :) /dev/hdb2 soul dbe swap space...I woul dmake this at least 32 MB probably 64 this is used as Virtual Memory is under Win95 (except much more eficently) as for actually doing that...it will be taken care of as part of the install process debian packages...hmm... check out the web page on installing... you will need to make up a set of install disks it tells you how...I would suggest checking out www.cheapbytes.com and buyig a CD of debian...the install will be alot easier as for X ... I like FVWM but...its all personal preference... they all pretty much work :) -Steve James A. Bates wrote: Hello, I am new to Linux and haven't the slightest idea how it works, really. I'm attempting to install Debian later today. I have so many questions, it's sad. :-)First, let me tell you about my hardware, etc., in case anyone knows if anything is not supported by Linux: Processor: AMD K6 233 mhzCD: Mitsumi CD-ROMVideo Card: S3 Virge DX/GX PCISound Card: Yamaha OPL3-SAx Sound System (SIIG)Mouse: Standard Serial MouseKeyboard: Standard 101/102 KeyModem: Boca Internal Fax/Data PnP 33.6RAM: 32 MBMotherboard: KTX Mainboard (That's a lot of help, eh? *L*)Printer: Canon BJ-300Okay, I have a harddrive currently running Windows95. Later today I'm installing another harddrive with approximately 500 MB to run Debian on. Should I have this second drive as a slave to the first one or should I put it as secondary and have my CD-ROM as the slave? My CD-ROM is currently running as the secondary IDE.Do I need to partition the harddrive I'm putting Debian on? If so, what do I use to partition it? How many partitions do I need? I've read quite a bit on partitioning and it seems there are several different types of partitions. What should each partition for Debian be? Could messing with the second drive destroy any data on my first one (the one with Windows95)?I've downloaded several Debian packages to my current harddrive. Will Debian be able to set them up from a different drive? What's the easiest way to do this?There seem to be a lot of X Windows. Which one is the best? AfterStep? FVWM?Lastly, having such limited knowledge about this, should I even ATTEMPT installing Debian? :-) I apologize for asking so many questions. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks. Sincerely,James -- PGP Key at: http://www.gis.net/~sjc/pgp.asc (BTW Thanx allot Noah for pointing out why putting my pgp key here was a bad idea...now I hafta find a new funny quote or something for here) Ummm, me make *one* change. Stone hot so me soak in stream so stone not burn Lorto hand. Small change, shoul dnot keep Lorto from make Fire. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NE2000
Do you know what type of card it is (vendor and model)? It must be rather old...I have a few Combo Cards (UTP + Coax) and have never seen on ethat NEEDED you to select for it what interface it used. Generally yes, you wil need to boot DOS with a config disk... I have about 3 or 4 diff config disks tho...if you can tell me th evendor who knows...might get lucky (id be happy to send you a copy of one of the disks) as for 3comms ... they work ok...personally I find a cheap NE2000 clone works just as good I have had allot of luck with SVEC cards (weird..bought some a few months maybe a year back and they were jumperless PNP (but also NE2000 so they worked fine) and I bought some about 1 month ago and they were Jumper config! (I LOVE jumpers...so I can set it once and know that it wont loose its config...) I must say I also like ATI (Allied Telliesen ) I bought one of their cards through someone else, it worked for a year, then I accidently (my fault I think) blew it out...one call to them and 2 days later I had a new one! -Steve Daniel Doro Ferrante wrote: Hi All. I have a NE2000 card on my 486DX4 100MHz server, running a hamm Debian (upgraded whenever possible - something like twice a week... ;) And, recently, I encountered a problem: the cable that links the NE card to the HUB (3comm) has been changed from coaxial to UTP and so, our network conection has gone away... :( I have tried by all means to recover it, but with no success (I also do not have the manual of the card...). Well, by now, what I know is that this little NE2000 can be reconfigured to use UTP with the aid of a Config Disk, booting DOS, and that its new UTP configuration will be kept on a kind of EPROM (or something like this...). Is this correct ? Do I have to find such a config-disk and boot into DOS-mode to reconfigure this card ? And what about upgrading to a 3COM 509 ? Is it a good idea ? (although I know that 3Com cards are better than this NE2000 I am not sure if I can afford such a change right now, so I am asking just for the sake of prevention and possible future upgrades... ;) Thanks in advance, Daniel. __ Daniel Doro Ferranteemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] System Network Administrator http://www.cecm.usp.br/~danieldf CECM - Curso de Ciencias Moleculares - USP Course of Molecular Sciences - University of Sao Paulo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PGP Key at: http://www.gis.net/~sjc/pgp.asc (BTW Thanx allot Noah for pointing out why putting my pgp key here was a bad idea...now I hafta find a new funny quote or something for here) Ummm, me make *one* change. Stone hot so me soak in stream so stone not burn Lorto hand. Small change, shoul dnot keep Lorto from make Fire. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cpu
I HIGHLY recommend the AMD K6 and as much RAM as you can get :) The AMD K6 200 (what I use) is really nice It has served me very well...and it has an added bonus... there is a metal plate attached to the front of the chip (which the heat sink then touches that metal plate instead of the actual chip) I dunno if that has any technical advantages... but it makes it rather safe to take some steel wool and remove that Windows Compatible logo off of the front... not very usefull (and I havn't don eit...YET ..just though tof it now) but...I am willing to bet it FEELS real good :) -Steve Ben Pfaff wrote: Can somebody tell which low price CPU is for (made) Linux. I was = thinking on Cyrix but I heard it is bugy, very uncompatible. So it looks = that Intel is my only hope. I recommend AMD chips. They're at least slightly cheaper than Intel and just as fast, or faster, except for floating point. My roommate has a K6-200 and it's a screamer. Of course, he runs Windows, but that's beside the point. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PGP Key at: http://www.gis.net/~sjc/pgp.asc (BTW Thanx allot Noah for pointing out why putting my pgp key here was a bad idea...now I hafta find a new funny quote or something for here) Ummm, me make *one* change. Stone hot so me soak in stream so stone not burn Lorto hand. Small change, shoul dnot keep Lorto from make Fire. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: whoop
I know what you mean... it is easy to have the OS Poitics startup. Unfortunatly (ive had this problem too) In the state things are in now you hafat be careful what you buy when you use linux Unfortunaly even I am just now starting to get to the point of being able to look and figure out what I can use and what I can't. REcently I bought a new SCSI card (a recnet thread in here was my fight with it...damned BIOS Plug N Pray stuff) I litterally went into the kernel source code and wrote dowen a list of every card that I saw mentioned as useable and went to a store with my list I said to the guy This is a list of what I can use and I wont buy anything bu tone of these (not to mention I have an Ensoniq AudioPCI soundcard.. which means I hafta buy OSS/Linux for sound) I wish I could help...form what I have heard those are nice cards (the VooDoo) and I know one of them is suported -Steve On Sat, 2 May 1998, Plutonically Incorrect wrote: I dont want to get into OS Politics NOR start a war on what hardware you should buy. I just want help and not a lecture on what hardware i should purchase. On Sat, 2 May 1998, Shaleh wrote: You missed the point -- we as a community MUST NOT support hardware vendors who do not return the support. The economy is a consumer driven one. If we ALL stand up and refuse to buy hardware that is not supported things will change. Otherwise hardware like the winmodems will continue. Instead of asking is this supported, you know when you buy that it would work. When win95 came out, people could only buy win95 hardware -- or they had problems. They did not buy it AND then complain. It was marked on the box win95 compliant. Support you OS. Support those who support us. -- --- How can you see, when your mind is not open? How can you think, when your eyes are closed? - Jason Bonham Band, Ordinary Black and White --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SCSI..woes..The FIX!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- I finnally solved my SCSI problems and got it working... since I posted here I thought I would share how I did it. This was s stupid... I went into the main BIOS just for Shits and Giggles and noticed a Plug N Pray area (i forget the actual name) where it lists all of the IRQs and has a value fo reach mine were all set the same... I set IRQ 10 (the one I was using) to Legacy ISA and it worked! none of my other ISA cards have a problem with it...this one does...go figure... in any case it works...and I think I just sucessfully performed a backup onto tape I just did tar cf /dev/st0 / I got errors when it got to /proc but other than that it worked fine... next time I will exclude /proc (and /tmp now that I think of it and a few others... like /var/run ..hmmm...maybe others when i think of them) in any case..it seems to have worked now...anyone else been using tape drives for backups? any good backup systems/scripts to share? :) im open to suggestions (I only have 2 tapes but...they are 4 gig (uncompressed) each...and my hard drive is only 3.2 gig so any suggestions? :) - -Steve -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNUqNvnxvn0zebBV9AQERRgP/UjfwYHQNYYRF+irQntMvNpsahJ/cXqst nPNfm16tW5DmhKVU/h97iL+OANZ/FgmCVSYTQVgLmKT7NhXd0nHpFA812cXSK9iC bJqh79G+AGA+0UCvno+FNLnx3hlD9B67LzyfvuBNlDvIQHj+fJMtPZJcmfL6ERn5 5mncq7SAx4c= =/Qcz -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mounting /usr as read only.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Fri, 1 May 1998, David Z. Maze wrote: Liran Zvibel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LZ What do you have to say about $SUBJECT? LZ I think that in that way the /usr partition cant get currupted. It's probably a good preventative measure, in the same way that not doing everything as root is. The system should still work properly. In fact...much of the FSSTND is written explicitly with the purpose of making it possible to mount /usr read-only (that wa sthe rational behind creating /var to separate out the things traiditonally in /usr that needed to be written to) The only problem is with upgrading programs; if you're running one of the Debian distributions that changes rapidly (frozen or unstable) you might want /usr read-write so you can update the system. Overall, though, it's probably not a bad idea... It could be a great idea for testing unstable too ;) that way anything that tries to write to /usr flags an error thus identifing places where something is not (in that respect) FSSTND complient of course it would have ot bve remounted read-write for upgrades (I also advocate removing the link from /usr/spool - /var/spool ...assumin git exists in debian...I know some do it...) hmm never mind Debian doesn't have it...well 2.0 doesn't anyway - -Steve -- _ / \ Dad was reading a book called | David Maze | _Schroedinger's Kittens_. Asexual | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | reproduction? Only one cat is in the box. | http://donut.mit.edu/dmaze/ | -- Abra Mitchell \_/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNUqTenxvn0zebBV9AQEhzAP/abwaU5Y/j4Ci2mlAEJ8eW0z9ZtcKWVJ6 2/qRM72Vr8D/gvfyQfDOdHGHWftvSbcGya+oT/B4M5bmKUqSGQ/Td9A1ZTvu5i/6 qjtQ09uigXXVMtH3e6vGRT0UcVhL8U7uLAV0WEYlzs/vFtWDwEV8KrVmgJRnX7D8 IX+0g1/SSpc= =doN5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: StarOffice 4.0 *.deb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Ok ...I installed StarOffice 4.0 a few weeks ago but... it didn't work... it would install (will hafta try that trick on the install) but as soon as I try to do ANYTHING it exist with n error (I think it seg faults) did you do this on a bo system? I am running hamm (pre-freeze) and had no luck tho...there is was a bug between it and xfstt (I dunno what the bug was the changelog just mentioned it as a one liner) I have the latest version (which shoul dbe available as a deb withina coupla weeks when I can finnaly upload packages) so...ill try again - -Steve On Fri, 1 May 1998, Rick Macdonald wrote: Allan W. Bart, Jr. wrote: could you tell a bit more about what it takes to install star office and how do you like the package. Really, the installation is simple. Just run it. I changed the installation location from ~/Soffice40 to /usr/local/bin/Soffice40, but other than that it was just click, click, click. I think you need to add it's bin directory to your path. As for the package, it seems to always get good reviews. I haven't actually used it yet. In fact, I've never used any office suite tools, but I wanted something natvie to look at the odd Word doc. -- ...RickM... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNUqVYXxvn0zebBV9AQEU6QP+MNL4wzk0v4CQrOf7VDCxCs7p0sYspX1p 7CuW5QbrGa84QIgfqpVrNx1ii6idbMfIVgd9Wt2pLCJInki2bdWK4i0zlxGw/TEY RN86n7akkWTHS4ocaVE2MqW7+sctmjKaRmYASpqrwrB4eNlrq5qR6rKluEvvFWLf khzizZpkC88= =hA41 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Diskcopy
Thats pretty easy... format a disk...as in put an second extended filesystem on it? try mke2fs /dev/fd0 to copy a disk...(this works for any disk I found...even DOS disks it doesn't care) cp /dev/fd0 filname put in a new disk cp filename /dev/fd0 -Steve On Fri, 1 May 1998, Pete Poff wrote: I'm booting debian off of a secondary harddisk and I need to know how to format a disk and make a diskcopy of my system boot disk. thanks, Pete Poff E-Mail Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: linux shutdown
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Thats not exactly true (as I pointed out earlier but I might have accidently not sent my response ot the list) actually sync;sync;halt would work fine...under ideal conditions :) but...under debian linux (and redhat) it will work fine in fatcyou can just forhget the double sync and call halt (or reboot) this was true that that was VERY BAD for a long time but... check out the man page for halt: If halt or reboot is called when the system is not in runlevel 0 or 6, shut down(8) will be invoked instead (with the flag -h or -r). since sync;sync doesn't change the runlevel...and at runlevel 0 or 6 you don't have a shell anyway... yes it is a BAD practice becaus eon OLDER syetms and other Unix-like OSs it is not gauranteed to weork - -Steve On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, George Bonser wrote: On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Arunas Norvaisa wrote: Dear all, I'm confused... Have RTFMing and am using 'shutdown -r now' to restart my system. BUT our system (Netware/Unix) admin (really old and experienced 'wolf') have told me that he's using 'sync;sync;halt' and have tried to persuade me to use 'his' command. sync; sync; halt is bad. Do not listen to this old idiot. He is going to cause you filesystem corruption. Use either ctl-alt-delete, shutdown -r now. George Bonser If I had a catchy quip, it would be here. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNUk0snxvn0zebBV9AQG0NAP/ZIvgRFmXQkE9l/bDkNvzpvbGAnGpDeLy 0r/7yNPcbA1LUP1n/Rq2RXNw1F83S6llKNFAPGqMebwC/4UwOsffu0MRWu+kUNGG 97JARcK7SLadAwplLsprKIw/qhqUafPupIvmD36gAnuZD9CP2L8vNhhQcgXzoehU jg7BXD9JDVY= =mFML -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: more SCSI Woes
Ossama Othman wrote: Hi, I'm not sure if this will help, but have you tried tweaking some of the SCSI low level driver settings when you configure your kernel? no I havn't...I supose I should take a look at the source code for the kernelSCSI drivers Also, is your kernel configured to support tape drives? yes it is...but shouldn't at least some SCSI device be detected even if it doesn'tsuport tape drives?..and that interrupt being lost is what get sme,...that shouldn't happn -Steve -- I am back to nothing worthwhile of a SIG again if you want my pgp key though check out: http://www.gis.net/~sjc/pgp.asc (BTW Thanx allot Noah for pointing out why putting my pgp key here was a bad idea...now I hafta find a new funny quote or something for here) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Swap
actually thats good...use the new drive exclusively but... don't use th eold drive for garbage old hard drives are great...good for lofting monitors once you get a few of them -Steve Ben Pfaff wrote: I am going to configurate a linux machine. But I don't know if it is = good to use a old 120 MB drive for swap. I would like to know if it is = good to use that drive for swap and a new WD for /. The new drive is = around 4GB so I could use the new drive for swap too and the old one for = garbage. I do not know which configuration is better. I would be very = gled for any advice. Thanks in advance.=20 The newer drive is probably much faster than the old one. I would recommend putting both swap and / on the new drive because of this. HTH, Ben. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I am back to nothing worthwhile of a SIG again if you want my pgp key though check out: http://www.gis.net/~sjc/pgp.asc (BTW Thanx allot Noah for pointing out why putting my pgp key here was a bad idea...now I hafta find a new funny quote or something for here) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: more SCSI Woes
No I am not braver than you I didn't see any such configs when i did it (kernel 2.0.29...but they shoul dbe there if you see them I guess) anyway I will look again when I can but... I didn't see anything -Steve Ossama Othman wrote: Hi, I'm not sure if this will help, but have you tried tweaking some of the SCSI low level driver settings when you configure your kernel? no I havn't...I supose I should take a look at the source code for the kernelSCSI drivers I meant the SCSI low level driver settings when you do a make config/menuconfig/xconfig in /usr/src/linux. There are some delay or timeout settings. from what I recall, that you tweak. The kernel config help for each of low level SCSI tells what each one does. You shouldn't have to mess around with the SCSI source, but go for it if you are up to it. You are braver then me; I never mess with the kernel source :). Also, is your kernel configured to support tape drives? yes it is...but shouldn't at least some SCSI device be detected even if it doesn'tsuport tape drives?..and that interrupt being lost is what get sme,...that shouldn't happn Good point, I agree. -Ossama -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I am back to nothing worthwhile of a SIG again if you want my pgp key though check out: http://www.gis.net/~sjc/pgp.asc (BTW Thanx allot Noah for pointing out why putting my pgp key here was a bad idea...now I hafta find a new funny quote or something for here) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
more SCSI Woes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Ok I got a differt SCSI card...the only one I could find in a reasonable price range locally was an Adaptec 1520 ...it is suported by the 152x driver I should hope... here is the problem... it coems up..in SCSI Bios and with jumpers I have set: IRQ: 10 (also tried 11, and 9...all of which have the same behaviour) io: 0x340 (also tried 0x140) SCSI ID = 7 BIOS Adress DC000 ..the SCSI bios detects my tape drive (SCSI ID 4) then linux boots (command line aha152x=ioport,irq) then... it BIOS test Passed... other stuff... then aha152x: trying software interrupt lost and aha152x: IRQ (the IRQ I chose and appended in lilo) possibly wrong.. then it says that every ID it tries is timing out scsi : aborting command due to timeout : pid 6, scsi0, channel 0, id 6, lun 0 Test Unit Ready 00 00 00 00 00 anyway...I did a cat /proc/intterupts and got: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sjc]$ cat /proc/interrupts 0: 386167 timer 1: 10542 keyboard 2: 0 cascade 4: 123116 + serial 5:165 NE2000 8: 2 + rtc 12: 150329 PS/2 Mouse 13: 1 math error 14: 49013 + ide0 15: 0 + ide1 and: (ioports) [EMAIL PROTECTED] sjc]$ cat /proc/ioports -001f : dma1 0020-003f : pic1 0040-005f : timer 0060-006f : keyboard 0070-007f : rtc 0080-008f : dma page reg 00a0-00bf : pic2 00c0-00df : dma2 00f0-00ff : npu 0140-015f : aha152x 0170-0177 : ide1 01f0-01f7 : ide0 0300-031f : NE2000 0376-0376 : ide1 0378-037f : lp 03c0-03df : vga+ 03f0-03f5 : floppy 03f6-03f6 : ide0 03f7-03f7 : floppy DIR 03f8-03ff : serial(set) What could possibly be wrong? I have tried every feasable setting... and the SCSI BIOS detects the tape drive (and I have SCSI Tape Drive suport compiled in kernel) ..I posted earlier... someone suggested verifing the interupts and trying the other ioport...I have...im even using a new adapter I have never tried to setup SCSI before (on aPC...SCSI setup was a no brainer on my Apple II GS way back when (shamefully I admit way back when was 3 years ago) this is starting to get frustrating...what could it be? I NEED backup capability I read the SCSI HOWTO...still no help same for the kernel SCSI readmes - -Steve -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNUlbN3xvn0zebBV9AQG4NAQAlRwutYUWO0wEztFbgON5SOyZdiWHScmf lDZJFhUXauAbGa7IPlVLJj1MhIqgUKmtZGlrJv/s6Mn1my5ujDZwPMmHUOrTL88A WvZ2Zx95UT/SWRjQ2vAOXqO+O0PvWrK8MtuNMIIaU660qeZdCbvhXGGONiU26zOZ D8+twWmJnD4= =RTwA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ACK! SCSI Not WOrking
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- I got my SCSI tape drive and I installed a SCSI card I had lying around unfortunatly it didn't work :( I THINK the problem may be the controller... I get the messages: aha152x: processing commandline: ok aha152x: BIOS test: passed, detected 1 controller(s) aha152x0: vital data: PORTBASE=0x140, IRQ=9, SCSI ID=7, reconnect=enabled, parity=enabled, synchronous=disabled, delay=100, extended translation=disabled aha152x: trying software interrupt, lost. aha152x: IRQ 9 possibly wrong. Please verify. - --- I have tried IRQ 11 with the same effect...then it is... scsi0 : Adaptec 152x SCSI driver; $Revision: 1.18 $ scsi : 1 host. scsi : aborting command due to timeout : pid 0, scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 Test Unit Ready 00 00 00 00 00 - --- repeated for id 0 - 6 The SCSI card is from a ZIP SCSI drive (I got it for free from omeone who already had a SCSI card and installed a ZIP) It calls itself (written on the board) an Adaptec AVA-1502 the Tape drive apears to be (jumpers) SCSI ID 4, Parity on, Termination power on Any ideas? should I just forget it asnd buy a new adapter? I recompiled my kernel...turned on SCSI supoert and all of the Adaptec Drivers ...I am running Kernel 2.0.29 (on a hamm system but I doubt that matters) I read the SCSI-HOWTO...but it was of no help :( - -Steve -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNUfVwnxvn0zebBV9AQGVBAQAhe8UovDSlOKNS6ZPVWw+Ux4EHcRqfJm8 qeGY7+dzJmQM8eHdW+In0kGwpKxVbzmefIJT0tSXsXT1tQHJzKlwl9SzEWcGwFzV ZMI6xA4Zj3AfcUskCNkPNWXfOxyw8ouFxBKOaVyePaGjwc7sk+Fboks+e5ivLhSX ObyL+LUidvo= =ri2i -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TCP/IP Network +WIN95
I dunno what to tell you about the Win95 boxes and dialing every 5 mins :( I used to do it this way: I had a linux server with no monitor (oh sure its a minor detail... until you need to reboot it and find out hours later there was a bootable CD in the CD drive (but I digress)) I would telnet to the linux machine and run pppd if you don't know what is causing the dialing (win95 must be looking for osmething weird) then its not easy to stop it... you could run a network sniffer and watch for what happens every 5 mins... are the win95 machines running anything weird like D4time (a time syncronizer)? maybe it is a problem with it using TCP/IP...you could try telling the WIndoze machines to use a differnt default protocol... hmm... are you sure the windows machines are doing it? have you run with all of the winDOS machines off and seen if it still does it? wish could help more...hopefully some of this will lead you on the right track -Steve On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Florian Attenberger wrote: I have a local network that consists of 2 win95 and 1 debian box. The debian box has an isdn connection to the Internet. There is one Problem: The win95 boxes make the debian box dial exactly dial every 5 minutes, each. This is getting very expensive. Is there a possibility to get win95 to NOT doing this thing every 5 minutes How could i make i little script for win95 to do manual dialup remotely, only when needed, if the above isn't possible??? Thanx very much, Florian Attenberger -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DNS/Non-authoritative answer trouble
I get the same thing... I don't think this needs to be fixed I believe this is correct... in any case I have never seen it be wrong even whan it says that... have you seen any wrong entries with it? might be a good idea to seek out what non-authoritative means before trying to fix it ;) -Steve On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Paul Miller wrote: When I use nslookup to resolve my DNS name, it gives a 'Non-authoritative answer'.. How can I fix this? Below is the relevant named configuration (I'm using the lasted BIND from Debian/hamm+unstable): --begin--- ; name resolution for 3dillusion.com @ IN SOA ns.3dillusion.com. root.3dillusion.com. ( 1998042903 ; serial (ccyymmddxx) 86400 ; refresh = 1 day 1800; retry = 1/2 hour 2592000 ; expire = 30 days 86400 ; minimum = 1 day ) IN NS ns.3dillusion.com. ; domain 3dillusion.com @ IN A 198.109.162.43 IN MX 100 mail.3dillusion.com. IN HINFO i586Linux ; server serv1 IN A 198.109.162.43 serv1 IN MX 100 mail.3dillusion.com. serv1 IN HINFO i586Linux serverIN CNAME serv1.3dillusion.com. ; primary name server nsIN A 198.109.162.43 nsIN MX 100 mail.3dillusion.com. nameserverIN CNAME ns.3dillusion.com. ; mail server mail IN A 198.109.162.43 mail IN MX 100 mail.3dillusion.com. postofficeIN CNAME mail.3dillusion.com. ; other hosts ftp IN CNAME serv1.3dillusion.com. www IN CNAME serv1.3dillusion.com. ---eof- I don't ever remember this being a problem before. The SOA record looks correct to me.. Has anything changed with the recent versions of BIND? Thanks -Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MUTT...the final configs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- As per that big pine discussion I decided to try mutt... I used it for about 5 mins...and think I would like to continue using it. I believe I have the version from non-us (a coupla weeks ago I burned a CD at work with the entire non-us portion of debian on it... along with non-free and some goodies) here is what I need to make mutt usefull to me and stop using pine (btw I do like mutts speed alot) I think I asked part of this before but didn't quite get it: 1) how do I set it up to automatically sign and/or encrypt messages with PGP? also should automatically check sigs / unencrypt when I view the message (I already have pine doing this just fine) 2) I have the following mailboxes - INBOX ZZ-INBOX debian-devel ZZ-debian-devel debian-user ZZ-debian-user BUGTRAQ ZZ-BUGTRAQ anything normal is an incommin gfolder (not defined as one in pine but.. procmail delivers directly to it) and enything with a ZZ is where pine automatically puts messages after I have read them as you can see im on debian-user and debian-devel ... getting a few hundred e-mail messages a day I need this can mutt do this? if so how..if not... are there alrenatives? - -Steve -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNUgEoXxvn0zebBV9AQEi9QQAhgG0uPTk8VoUjtimH/6C1HxTB14Euwh9 WV0kjYJISiAXLL5LsmSUGy0AnW5PL10bIN/doZJm8dT/C1/mPwX2MJD5H4HvYgZ/ Gvq7My/rYArX8gwTNpyT1CL2KAdK9k7EcLa1F6wNyvVRnG01GInubE/FjPNkfIAZ dBTCiUqUBRo= =9Hf9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ACK! SCSI Not WOrking
Patrick Ouellette wrote: Does you SCSI card have *gasp* jumpers to configure the interrupts Jumpers for both interrupts and IO adress...I had (previously to posting my first message even) check /proc/interrupts found that 11 and 9 are free interrupts for me...and the board suports both (it also suports 12 which is my PS/2 mouse and 10 which is my NIC card) I don't have the manual for the card but... if I look at the board itself i see jumpers (yes jumpers...I LOVE jumpers.. the best way to set IRQs and what not) next to one of the sets of jumpers there are a few rows marked I9, I10, I11,I12. ...I assume these ar eteh interrupt setting then there is another which is marked in: 140 out: 340 (I think...I forget the higher value) in any case yes...I am pretty darned sure I used the rigth IRQ (or software)? I get similar messages if I put the wrong irq in the AHA152x module load line. hmm well it isn't a module load line... its in the kernel boot parametersI don't use kernel modules whenever I can avoid them...I just compile it into the kernel and turn off what I don't need same diff tho I guess If it is one of those plug-n-pray cards there used to be some utils that might help, iirc. Pat Ouellette Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Amateur Radio (voice): KB8PYM on KB8YVY repeater (52.650 / 146.835 / 444.650) Amateur Radio (packet): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Running down the hall: Hey you! You can ping your node, you can ping you neighbor, but you can't ping your neighbors node. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stephen Carpenter Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 9:37 PM To: debian-user list Subject: ACK! SCSI Not WOrking -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- I got my SCSI tape drive and I installed a SCSI card I had lying around unfortunatly it didn't work :( I THINK the problem may be the controller... I get the messages: aha152x: processing commandline: ok aha152x: BIOS test: passed, detected 1 controller(s) aha152x0: vital data: PORTBASE=0x140, IRQ=9, SCSI ID=7, reconnect=enabled, parity=enabled, synchronous=disabled, delay=100, extended translation=disabled aha152x: trying software interrupt, lost. aha152x: IRQ 9 possibly wrong. Please verify. - --- I have tried IRQ 11 with the same effect...then it is... scsi0 : Adaptec 152x SCSI driver; $Revision: 1.18 $ scsi : 1 host. scsi : aborting command due to timeout : pid 0, scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 Test Unit Ready 00 00 00 00 00 - --- repeated for id 0 - 6 The SCSI card is from a ZIP SCSI drive (I got it for free from omeone who already had a SCSI card and installed a ZIP) It calls itself (written on the board) an Adaptec AVA-1502 the Tape drive apears to be (jumpers) SCSI ID 4, Parity on, Termination power on Any ideas? should I just forget it asnd buy a new adapter? I recompiled my kernel...turned on SCSI supoert and all of the Adaptec Drivers ...I am running Kernel 2.0.29 (on a hamm system but I doubt that matters) I read the SCSI-HOWTO...but it was of no help :( - -Steve -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNUfVwnxvn0zebBV9AQGVBAQAhe8UovDSlOKNS6ZPVWw+Ux4EHcRqfJm8 qeGY7+dzJmQM8eHdW+In0kGwpKxVbzmefIJT0tSXsXT1tQHJzKlwl9SzEWcGwFzV ZMI6xA4Zj3AfcUskCNkPNWXfOxyw8ouFxBKOaVyePaGjwc7sk+Fboks+e5ivLhSX ObyL+LUidvo= =ri2i -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: 2.6.3a mQCNAzG30VYAAAEEAK8aj0pclro6ULfzim7TN0Y2FeNtzJKkA9rNZ8KGim3N+ULO 1dn4tfIqymSNDQLc/SDCvliTDP9vodSSYfQaovHE2wWE6n5igGIhA3RqyAnX9ctl 4wPI5FYJHHhsl2OsKJLui1TbTo6uJul3vG4U9CnopYscEbHm+Hxvn0zebBV9AAUR tCVTdGVwaGVuIEouIENhcnBlbnRlciA8U0pDQGRlbHBoaS5jb20+iQCVAwUQMcz2 fnxvn0zebBV9AQFb2QP+OiFDvDvuuomwdZns+pQTVqOu5zy3wdlyQki4Mo/X+5qY Nmj0s4qjfowaimj69db6w6jSvzeEY5gnlM92NI5dj6qliJScBVlRNBRffsHkvHkk C27LjUtVYkF3j30wyCwdzNe0FhRYBsz5F+i78ZSPrxlUkOvfFBUgAo2ZFwlwS4k= =z4IB -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian 2.0 Question
you knowsince I have started using linux...I think my system as crashed probably about 6 times give or take... most all fo them were hardware! Once I had exactly the problem you describe...my system was running... doing its thing and power went out (while I wasn't home) then came on again 2 days later my kernel wouldn't recompile and my RAM tested bad (and I could never get a DIMM to work in that mothboard) then even before that I had my redhat system working as a server on the network ran for 68 days straight (thats only 68 because 68 days prior there was a power outage) when my hard drive had a mechanical failure! then about a month ago (same motherboard as earlier) my motherboard stopped working right! these have all been within the past 6 months!!! only once did I have a software related crash...due to a package I installed when I upgraded to unstable that was a very early releace and caused my system to not unmount filesystems on reboot/halt (so I started rebooting an alot trying to track down the problem and debug it...killed my system) any other crashes I have had were just plain my fault (ie forcing it to do something that it warned me about while logged on as root) The moral: 1) don't buy cheap hardware, pay the extra $20 to get the stuff that works (ie stay away from BIOSTAR motherboards...buy ASUS or when you se that 200 MHz processor packaged with a motherboard for a mere $150 (at the time it was a VERY good price)...don't buy it!) 2) get a UPSthey are lifesavers (I got a nice one 1.5 kVA for under $300... it has already saved my system 2 times!..only had it a month!) 3) when everything is working...be careful when you are root :) -Steve Michael Acklin wrote: At 10:58 AM 4/30/98 -0400, you wrote: I hate crashes/...had one too many myself I did want to clear one thing up. It wasn't Debian that crashed. I had a power off/on that caused the crash. Apparently, sendmail was delivering a message right in the middle of the power spike and took out just about all the exec files on my system. I have had no problems with Debian at all with system hangs or crashes, other than something I did. I have been VERY Happy with linux and Debian. In fact I have had the system up without interuption for over 2 weeks. Can't say that about Windoze. I couldn't keep Win95 up over 4 hours without a crash. But thanks for all the messages and the help on this subject. I will be finishing up this evening. Someone was mentioning that I should use the script to upgrade. But I have nothing on my system to upgrade, so thought instead of running the Debian 1.31 complete installation, I would go ahead and go to 2.0's installation disks. Again, thanks for all your help! Mike Acklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Home) Debian Newbie (Please bear with me!) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: 2.6.3a mQCNAzG30VYAAAEEAK8aj0pclro6ULfzim7TN0Y2FeNtzJKkA9rNZ8KGim3N+ULO 1dn4tfIqymSNDQLc/SDCvliTDP9vodSSYfQaovHE2wWE6n5igGIhA3RqyAnX9ctl 4wPI5FYJHHhsl2OsKJLui1TbTo6uJul3vG4U9CnopYscEbHm+Hxvn0zebBV9AAUR tCVTdGVwaGVuIEouIENhcnBlbnRlciA8U0pDQGRlbHBoaS5jb20+iQCVAwUQMcz2 fnxvn0zebBV9AQFb2QP+OiFDvDvuuomwdZns+pQTVqOu5zy3wdlyQki4Mo/X+5qY Nmj0s4qjfowaimj69db6w6jSvzeEY5gnlM92NI5dj6qliJScBVlRNBRffsHkvHkk C27LjUtVYkF3j30wyCwdzNe0FhRYBsz5F+i78ZSPrxlUkOvfFBUgAo2ZFwlwS4k= =z4IB -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: COBOL?
Ive never seen any COBOL stuff...ive never even seen COBOL but its funny... just yesterday I was wondering to myself if there were any COBOL comilers for linux Then I had some really evil thoughts about learning COBOL and trying to convert the kernel over to COBOL...and after that point I just had to smack myself -Steve K. Claussen wrote: All.. Hello.. :) This message serves a few purposes, really.. 1. I wanted to introduce myself as being new to the list. I have been lurking around for the past week or so and I wanted to say hello. 2. I wanted to say that I have been running Debian for about 2 weeks now and I must say that I like it much better then Window$. I was running Windoze NT4, and while it was still better then 95, I like Debian much better.. 3. I was wondering if anyone knew of any COBOL packages available for Linux? Anyhow, thanks in advance for any help.. Thanks again.. Kurt - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.westol.com/~bayp/ - The road to hell isn't paved with good intentions, it's paved with free AOL startup disks - Kurt E. Claussen - Member - #WASHU# - #SAS# - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: 2.6.3a mQCNAzG30VYAAAEEAK8aj0pclro6ULfzim7TN0Y2FeNtzJKkA9rNZ8KGim3N+ULO 1dn4tfIqymSNDQLc/SDCvliTDP9vodSSYfQaovHE2wWE6n5igGIhA3RqyAnX9ctl 4wPI5FYJHHhsl2OsKJLui1TbTo6uJul3vG4U9CnopYscEbHm+Hxvn0zebBV9AAUR tCVTdGVwaGVuIEouIENhcnBlbnRlciA8U0pDQGRlbHBoaS5jb20+iQCVAwUQMcz2 fnxvn0zebBV9AQFb2QP+OiFDvDvuuomwdZns+pQTVqOu5zy3wdlyQki4Mo/X+5qY Nmj0s4qjfowaimj69db6w6jSvzeEY5gnlM92NI5dj6qliJScBVlRNBRffsHkvHkk C27LjUtVYkF3j30wyCwdzNe0FhRYBsz5F+i78ZSPrxlUkOvfFBUgAo2ZFwlwS4k= =z4IB -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lilo woes
I am an emacs user myself...when im in X anyway... but...debian has a few other cool editors... ae (which is part of the base and base disks) is tiny and very easy to use (unfortunatly the lastest version in 2.0 has some problems...partially due to slang -- which i just found out about a few minits ago in a post on debian-devel) if you are using hamm...avoid ae for now ..it puts CRs atthe ends of lines (DOS style text) and that breaks allot of things (not HTML...other things) ee is very nice (ee = easy editor) as for emacs... when I think of emacs...I think of a swiss army knife the differnec ebeing that this swiss army knife is about 3 miles long and half a mile wide..and has every tool you every thought of, along with every tool you will ever think of...it is complete overkill fo ranything... but...I tend to like overkill :) -Steve Stephen A. Witt wrote: On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Tristan Day wrote: Thanks to everyone who gave opinions and advice on the HTML editor. I can't stand 'vi' (the DOS to Linux HOWTO is right when it says that DOS users probably won't like vi! Is there a good tutorial? the man page assumes you know it well), so when I get everything working again (see below) I think I will have a look at Netscape Composer. =) At the risk of starting a HUGE flamewar, may I suggest that you look into other editors besides vi? I personally am an emacs user and it is a very versatile and functional editor and I would recommend it highly. There are, of course, other editors available besides vi and emacs (the big two in the Unix world) that you might like better. In any case, you sure aren't stuck with vi unless you want to be. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: 2.6.3a mQCNAzG30VYAAAEEAK8aj0pclro6ULfzim7TN0Y2FeNtzJKkA9rNZ8KGim3N+ULO 1dn4tfIqymSNDQLc/SDCvliTDP9vodSSYfQaovHE2wWE6n5igGIhA3RqyAnX9ctl 4wPI5FYJHHhsl2OsKJLui1TbTo6uJul3vG4U9CnopYscEbHm+Hxvn0zebBV9AAUR tCVTdGVwaGVuIEouIENhcnBlbnRlciA8U0pDQGRlbHBoaS5jb20+iQCVAwUQMcz2 fnxvn0zebBV9AQFb2QP+OiFDvDvuuomwdZns+pQTVqOu5zy3wdlyQki4Mo/X+5qY Nmj0s4qjfowaimj69db6w6jSvzeEY5gnlM92NI5dj6qliJScBVlRNBRffsHkvHkk C27LjUtVYkF3j30wyCwdzNe0FhRYBsz5F+i78ZSPrxlUkOvfFBUgAo2ZFwlwS4k= =z4IB -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: linux shutdown
HAHA go ahead and use his system tho ;) sync;sync;halt is the same as sync;sync;shutdown -h now on most systems now (at least on both RedHat and Debian it is) Halt checks the current runlevel..and if the runlevel is not 0 then it executes shutdown -h now on its own...this is a saftey catch The OLD behaviour was that if you executed halt it would halt the system dead right thenm and there this was very damaging to systems (unless you did sync;sync;halt..which as you pointed out also has a little bug in it ...in that it can fail to work) so in more recent versions both halt and reboot were given little built in wrappers to make sure that they did no damage... however I caution you not to sync;sync;halt because its a bad habit..and on systems other than recent linuxes it coul dbe bad -Steve Joey Hess wrote: Arunas Norvaisa wrote: Have RTFMing and am using 'shutdown -r now' to restart my system. BUT our system (Netware/Unix) admin (really old and experienced 'wolf') have told me that he's using 'sync;sync;halt' and have tried to persuade me to use 'his' command. That method is pretty dumb for use on a multi-user system (just consider what happens if a process writes to disk between the last sync and the halt). If you go to single-user mode first, it's ok, but still not the best thing. -- see shy jo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I am back to nothing worthwhile of a SIG again if you want my pgp key though check out: http://www.gis.net/~sjc/pgp.asc (BTW Thanx allot Noah for pointing out why putting my pgp key here was a bad idea...now I hafta find a new funny quote or something for here) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: text mode IDE?
You shouldn't forget wpe/xwpe it is a great little program if you are programmin gin C (never tried anything else with it) it will color the source code acoring to what it is...rather neat it even has drpdown menus in text mode a very easy one to use...and it has all of the compile, and whet not commands plus...it has an X version that works vey muct he same -Steve DAVID B. TEAGUE wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Dave Elliot wrote: I was wondering if there's a decent text mode IDE for debian/linux. Something similar to RHIDE or Borland's DOS IDE. I would use something for X, but I can't get that working yet. Hopefully someday. Anyways, anything would be great. Thanks for the info. Peace, -dave Dave Emacs in all its glory is almost a text mode ide. Once you realize that you can invoke the compile command directly, using Mx compile, you get the default compile command make -k, which, if you have makefile or Makefile will compile your program. Otherwise, use command line editing commands ( C-a C-k to kill the line, and enter g++ [options] file.cc or g++ file1.cc file2.cc ... The editor will run the compiler in an inferior process, split the screen into two, leave the source in one window, put the compile command in the capture the error messages, if any, in the window with the compile command. Then C-x ` (C-x backtick, the unshifted key with the ~ on it) will scroll both the code screen and the error messages so that the place the compiler detected the error is centered in one window, the error message corresponding is at the top of the compile window. You can fix the error and repeat the C-x ` sequence until the error messages become ones caused by the compiler attempting to fix earlier errors. You can run the debugger in text mode from eamcs as well. I hope there is something that is better than this, but I think this is really neat, for text mode, that is. (Actually, this is writted by an avowed text-mode biggot.) If you will use xemacs in X-window environment, you almost already have an ide. Try it, you will like it. --David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: 2.6.3a mQCNAzG30VYAAAEEAK8aj0pclro6ULfzim7TN0Y2FeNtzJKkA9rNZ8KGim3N+ULO 1dn4tfIqymSNDQLc/SDCvliTDP9vodSSYfQaovHE2wWE6n5igGIhA3RqyAnX9ctl 4wPI5FYJHHhsl2OsKJLui1TbTo6uJul3vG4U9CnopYscEbHm+Hxvn0zebBV9AAUR tCVTdGVwaGVuIEouIENhcnBlbnRlciA8U0pDQGRlbHBoaS5jb20+iQCVAwUQMcz2 fnxvn0zebBV9AQFb2QP+OiFDvDvuuomwdZns+pQTVqOu5zy3wdlyQki4Mo/X+5qY Nmj0s4qjfowaimj69db6w6jSvzeEY5gnlM92NI5dj6qliJScBVlRNBRffsHkvHkk C27LjUtVYkF3j30wyCwdzNe0FhRYBsz5F+i78ZSPrxlUkOvfFBUgAo2ZFwlwS4k= =z4IB -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: window manager lockups with latest X
This makes me wonder when you say that the mouse can't give any window focus is it able to move windows by dragging or bring them to the front? I have had a very similar problem without even leaving X to a VT an dback...just ocasionally I can click on windows, bring them to front etc juct can't geve them focus and type in them (BTW I have ClickToFocus ON because I HATE focus following the mouse) I have only tired FVWM2 but I have noticed that if I click n the root window with either middle or left (I forget which) to bring up the Window List and I select a window in that wayit will get focus and work fine... until I want to give another window focus..then I have to use the window list again... it happens infrequently ...I leave X and startx again and it works fine... never really bothered me enough to look into it further... are these the symproms that you describe? -Steve James Dietrich wrote: The subject line says it quite well; here are some more details. Several weeks ago I was still running the 3.3.1-2 packages (xbase, xfnt100, xfnt75, xfntbase, xfntpex, xlib6, xlib6g, xlib6g-dev, and xserver-mach64) with the scwm window manager. Once in a (long) while scwm would lock up and I would have to restart X. Then (several weeks ago) I upgraded to the 3.3.2-3 versions of all the above packages. Very soon I noticed that it took only a matter of minutes and several switches between X and a VT to lock up scwm. What I mean by lock up is that the mouse is unable to give any window focus; furthermore, scwm has a very large virtual desktop, and in this locked up state I am able to pan around an area only slightly larger than my monitor screen. Interestingly, though, a program running in X will continue to run, even though I can't control it. Downgrading the xserver-mach64 package to the old 3.3.1-2 version caused the problem to disappear. Now I thought that it might be a scwm bug, since then I have tried the new xserver-mach64 with the wmaker window manager, and the very same thing happens after a few minutes. Sometimes with scwm it is enough to switch out of X and then back _one_ time to make it freeze as described above. I am running the latest from hamm. Kernel is 2.1.98. Just to be sure it wasn't a kernel problem, I booted up on 2.1.32 and started X. It took several hours to lock up the first time, and when I restarted X again, scwm locked up within minutes. I really don't know where to go from here. What can I do to figure out where the problem is so I can use the new xserver-mach64? Has anyone else experienced this difficulty? Thanks, James -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: 2.6.3a mQCNAzG30VYAAAEEAK8aj0pclro6ULfzim7TN0Y2FeNtzJKkA9rNZ8KGim3N+ULO 1dn4tfIqymSNDQLc/SDCvliTDP9vodSSYfQaovHE2wWE6n5igGIhA3RqyAnX9ctl 4wPI5FYJHHhsl2OsKJLui1TbTo6uJul3vG4U9CnopYscEbHm+Hxvn0zebBV9AAUR tCVTdGVwaGVuIEouIENhcnBlbnRlciA8U0pDQGRlbHBoaS5jb20+iQCVAwUQMcz2 fnxvn0zebBV9AQFb2QP+OiFDvDvuuomwdZns+pQTVqOu5zy3wdlyQki4Mo/X+5qY Nmj0s4qjfowaimj69db6w6jSvzeEY5gnlM92NI5dj6qliJScBVlRNBRffsHkvHkk C27LjUtVYkF3j30wyCwdzNe0FhRYBsz5F+i78ZSPrxlUkOvfFBUgAo2ZFwlwS4k= =z4IB -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tape Drive Q
Last week I ordered a tape drive (and posted a question about SCSI controllers) It should arrive today :) ...I realized however that I still have questions... someone mentioned creating the tape device what is the name of the device? (I assume it is just /dev/MAKEDEV devicename to make it) is there nay good documentation on setting this stuff up? I tried to look for a FAQ or HOWTO but I couldn't find one :( im looking for as much info as possible I would like to impliment automatic backups which would only require me to rotate the tape every few days (I figure I can probably get 2 complete backups on one tape) I also need to make a boot disk with enough on it to do a restore where can I find the info on doing all of this? -Steve -- -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: 2.6.3a mQCNAzG30VYAAAEEAK8aj0pclro6ULfzim7TN0Y2FeNtzJKkA9rNZ8KGim3N+ULO 1dn4tfIqymSNDQLc/SDCvliTDP9vodSSYfQaovHE2wWE6n5igGIhA3RqyAnX9ctl 4wPI5FYJHHhsl2OsKJLui1TbTo6uJul3vG4U9CnopYscEbHm+Hxvn0zebBV9AAUR tCVTdGVwaGVuIEouIENhcnBlbnRlciA8U0pDQGRlbHBoaS5jb20+iQCVAwUQMcz2 fnxvn0zebBV9AQFb2QP+OiFDvDvuuomwdZns+pQTVqOu5zy3wdlyQki4Mo/X+5qY Nmj0s4qjfowaimj69db6w6jSvzeEY5gnlM92NI5dj6qliJScBVlRNBRffsHkvHkk C27LjUtVYkF3j30wyCwdzNe0FhRYBsz5F+i78ZSPrxlUkOvfFBUgAo2ZFwlwS4k= =z4IB -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Connecting Linux machine to Win.95\Linux Machine.
I woul dmost definitly agree with this assesment but... I have always prefered to use 10Base2 to a crossover cable on UTP I like the coaxial cable setup because it is very easy to extend when you decide that 2 computers is not enough and a hub is too expensive (of course i have found I can get 2 nice combo cards and a 5 port hub for around $70) food for thought...and MUCH faster than a serial port connection... -Steve Jens B. Jorgensen wrote: My suggestion would be to pony up for two 10-base-T ethernet cards and get a crossover cable. You *could* network the two via serial, but I was unable to get this to work in Win95 using the Direct Cable Connection. You can get NE2000 compatible cards of reasonable quality for under $20, even in quantity 1. The cable should run you ~$10 at a retail outlet. Look at Datacomm Warehouse (they can probably ship int'l). Liran Zvibel wrote: Hello, I'm going to buy a new conputer :), make the old one Linux only, and the new one will be a Linux\Win.95 machine (my brother doesn't like Linux, what can I do...). The new machine will have the main connection to the outer world (Hopefully by ISDN), and will have the printer connected to it. I would like to connect my old machine to the new one, so I'll be able to print and use the 'net. I would like to hear suggestions, and that FM(s?) I should R (I have no problems RTFMing.). TIA, Liran Zvibel. --- http://www.math.tau.ac.il/~liranz/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Jens B. Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: 2.6.3a mQCNAzG30VYAAAEEAK8aj0pclro6ULfzim7TN0Y2FeNtzJKkA9rNZ8KGim3N+ULO 1dn4tfIqymSNDQLc/SDCvliTDP9vodSSYfQaovHE2wWE6n5igGIhA3RqyAnX9ctl 4wPI5FYJHHhsl2OsKJLui1TbTo6uJul3vG4U9CnopYscEbHm+Hxvn0zebBV9AAUR tCVTdGVwaGVuIEouIENhcnBlbnRlciA8U0pDQGRlbHBoaS5jb20+iQCVAwUQMcz2 fnxvn0zebBV9AQFb2QP+OiFDvDvuuomwdZns+pQTVqOu5zy3wdlyQki4Mo/X+5qY Nmj0s4qjfowaimj69db6w6jSvzeEY5gnlM92NI5dj6qliJScBVlRNBRffsHkvHkk C27LjUtVYkF3j30wyCwdzNe0FhRYBsz5F+i78ZSPrxlUkOvfFBUgAo2ZFwlwS4k= =z4IB -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: make-kpkg help!
Ian Keith Setford wrote: Yo- Yo :) ...(compiles for 3 min) then, dpkg --build debian/tmp-image .. dpkg-deb: parse error, in file `debian/tmp-image/DEBIAN/control' near line 4 package `kernel-image-2.0.33': `Suggests' field, invalid package name `lilo': must start with an alphanumeric make: *** [stamp-image] Error 2 I believe that it is having a problem with LILO. Is that correct? My friend wishes to dual-boot so it would actually be better if this package didn't even add my LILO to the custom kernel I am trying to build. What version of kernel-package are you using?have you used is sucessfully before? the error that is gives is not a probalme with lilo...it is a problem with the control file generated by the kernel-packge system. basically at this point the kernel is built...it is just making it into a debian package...and control is one of the files it needs to make the package the erro states that 'lilo' is an invalid package name...and it is... for some reason it is lilo indead of lilo (see the extra quote mark) thi slook slike a typo in the script that is doing th ebuilding to me ...have you tried getting the latest version of kernel-package? -Steve Any suggestions? Thanks, -Ian _ Ian K. Setford [EMAIL PROTECTED] H: 940.566.0461 Pgr: 817.901.0255 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: 2.6.3a mQCNAzG30VYAAAEEAK8aj0pclro6ULfzim7TN0Y2FeNtzJKkA9rNZ8KGim3N+ULO 1dn4tfIqymSNDQLc/SDCvliTDP9vodSSYfQaovHE2wWE6n5igGIhA3RqyAnX9ctl 4wPI5FYJHHhsl2OsKJLui1TbTo6uJul3vG4U9CnopYscEbHm+Hxvn0zebBV9AAUR tCVTdGVwaGVuIEouIENhcnBlbnRlciA8U0pDQGRlbHBoaS5jb20+iQCVAwUQMcz2 fnxvn0zebBV9AQFb2QP+OiFDvDvuuomwdZns+pQTVqOu5zy3wdlyQki4Mo/X+5qY Nmj0s4qjfowaimj69db6w6jSvzeEY5gnlM92NI5dj6qliJScBVlRNBRffsHkvHkk C27LjUtVYkF3j30wyCwdzNe0FhRYBsz5F+i78ZSPrxlUkOvfFBUgAo2ZFwlwS4k= =z4IB -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: make-kpkg help!
hmm /usr/sbin/make-kpkg is the script... unfortunatlythat is not all :( it runs other programs and other scripts ok I may have found something check out /usr/lib/kernel-package/Control and search for lilo... looks ifne in mine but -Steve Ian Keith Setford wrote: Yo- What version of kernel-package are you using?have you used is sucessfully before? Using 4.06, just downloaded it yesterday from unstable/frozen. the error that is gives is not a probalme with lilo...it is a problem with the control file generated by the kernel-packge system. basically at this point the kernel is built...it is just making it into a debian package...and control is one of the files it needs to make the package the erro states that 'lilo' is an invalid package name...and it is... for some reason it is lilo indead of lilo (see the extra quote mark) thi slook slike a typo in the script that is doing th ebuilding to me ...have you tried getting the latest version of kernel-package? I have the latest version of kernel-package so I guess this is a bug. Where is the script located? I can try taking out the quote and running it again. Thanks, -Ian _ Ian K. Setford [EMAIL PROTECTED] H: 940.566.0461 Pgr: 817.901.0255 -- -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: 2.6.3a mQCNAzG30VYAAAEEAK8aj0pclro6ULfzim7TN0Y2FeNtzJKkA9rNZ8KGim3N+ULO 1dn4tfIqymSNDQLc/SDCvliTDP9vodSSYfQaovHE2wWE6n5igGIhA3RqyAnX9ctl 4wPI5FYJHHhsl2OsKJLui1TbTo6uJul3vG4U9CnopYscEbHm+Hxvn0zebBV9AAUR tCVTdGVwaGVuIEouIENhcnBlbnRlciA8U0pDQGRlbHBoaS5jb20+iQCVAwUQMcz2 fnxvn0zebBV9AQFb2QP+OiFDvDvuuomwdZns+pQTVqOu5zy3wdlyQki4Mo/X+5qY Nmj0s4qjfowaimj69db6w6jSvzeEY5gnlM92NI5dj6qliJScBVlRNBRffsHkvHkk C27LjUtVYkF3j30wyCwdzNe0FhRYBsz5F+i78ZSPrxlUkOvfFBUgAo2ZFwlwS4k= =z4IB -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
StarOffice Install
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- I am in need of some help installing StarOffice 4.0 SInce I have a great setup at work and not at home.. (network wise) I downloaded the staroffice 4 and gunzip'd and untar'd it then I burnt it onto a CD (with a bunch of other stuff) to bring home and have. I can not seem to get it to work :( the .deb for staroffice doesn't recognize my files (even if I copy them to /tmp) and if I run the normal setup I have worst problems (it installs..and runs...but as soon as I click on something like New Document (or whatever it was called..you get the idea) it exists with a seg fault :( any ideas? - -Steve -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNUEbHHxvn0zebBV9AQGuMQP5AeopsJbuFWiss+9P/MQtTP5EAjguS+a7 9JDQzYgcoi9eyTmlqT17OpQGOriEmFC/15GVmf6ZHATp5GWTHwi1WcrBZE3Cme0T Pj7yWClSsjGESLSNi4VtTpRdHskur4iisCozibe0Ojdi3/2Uq0gWDSJsScE2IP69 k67vQwlRBEc= =6G0s -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fonts in X [Off Topic]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella wrote: The point is: they can't demand certain restrictions in the license, even if you signed a contract (which most users even did not). But I'm not a lawyer, and won't speak as if I knew better than I do... That is NOT truethey can require anything..signed or otherwise (ok thats not true, there are a few things the law prevents them from requiring...but even that doesn't mean they in truth can't type it up and send it out) but...there are limits to what they can really hold any power to enforce legally...sorta like a law saying you can't ever wear orange shorts...how do you enforce it inside a persons own home? Yeah! Is there a good reason why xffst is not started in /etc/rc.boot (or something)? I can think of a reason or two...no not really... there is a problem with trying to stop it (without using kill-all) and you can't sync it whjile it runs... other than that...no I think it should be started on startup BTW, can you help me in (finally) better understanding the True Type files? I will try :) There are *.ttf True Type FOnt *.fon Old Style bitmapped font *.ttr *.for NFI on these two Thanks a lot. No problem :) - -Steve -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNT56kXxvn0zebBV9AQEOLwQApDYUzT7pq2tSedYbaOT9WtSLN1Mq5ues QahMWYcTszl6ZMhRuzq+UdPGsGn3fxt2zlL3IAP7ljLwFi+wKqQeZgiOD7CAmKHK gJmvoykVZboJVu7QrX4xnOi9HNjCfVHQvpxMdm1wZDWcVgnAr3StTKZB+PMntc2i PIf6W+RG+2U= =J8vl -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISP setup with IP Masquerading
Paul Miller wrote: I'm trying to setup a dialup ppp server using only 1 real internet IP. Is this currently possible using Linux? Yes it is. It has its limitations but it can be done. /etc/hosts: /var/named/db.domain.net: /etc/ppp/options.ttyS1: serv:ppp1-serv /etc/ppp/options.ttyS2: serv:ppp2-serv /etc/ipmasq.conf: (192.168.100.* is the local network on eth1) Although this configuration may look correct, it is not. Here's a clip of my syslog: kernel: CSLIP: code copyright 1989 Regents of the University of California kernel: PPP: version 2.2.0 (dynamic channel allocation) kernel: PPP Dynamic channel allocation code copyright 1995 Caldera, Inc. kernel: PPP line discipline registered. kernel: registered device ppp0 pppd[316]: pppd 2.3.3 started by LOGIN, uid 0 pppd[316]: Using interface ppp0 pppd[316]: Connect: ppp0 -- /dev/ttyS1 pppd[316]: PAP authentication failure for paul pppd[316]: Connection terminated. pppd[316]: Exit. I _DID_ enter the correct password! It looks lik epap authentication is where the problem lieshave you tried it any other ways? I could never get pap working with an ISP I wanted to connect too once and had to drop them because i was never able to connect. all of the files above look fine (as far as I recognize them anyway) I would go over the PPP option son both boxes and particularly the pap parts witha fine toothed comb is it possible to disable all authentications (screw passwords just get connected) make sure the rest of the setup works and sthen work on authentication -Steve Anyone have any ideas or suggestions? Help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, -Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fonts in X [Off Topic]
Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella wrote: Stephen Carpenter writes: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella wrote: The point is: they can't demand certain restrictions in the license, even if you signed a contract (which most users even did not). But I'm not a lawyer, and won't speak as if I knew better than I do... That is NOT true... they can require anything... signed or otherwise By receiving this email you agreed to pay $ 500.00 to Luiz Zorzella. Send the check to the ... :^ only if by accepting my check and endorsing the back of it you agree to pay$5, 000, 000 to Stephen J. Carpenter (Ill send my lawyer over with my check on monday to hand deliver it :) ) *If* you sign something, the extents of what one can require are far greater. If you did not (as most users, when they buy windows), you are not consenting on anything but giving money to receive a computer with a Windowing system... I often wonder if upon opening a box of freshly purchased Windows Software(at that store with the Closeout - All Sales Final sign) if I saw the thing warning me not to open the package of software if I don't agree with the licence...and I immediately called microsoft and said I just read the little paper and I don't agree with the licence so I didn't open it what they would do (other than be surprized) think I might get money back..afterall I did buy it... (or be really absurd and say I bought a CD and request they remove their software from my new CD) If you choose to use parts of what's inside (as one ever does, cuz nobody has devices for all the drivers, for example), you may do it perfectly legally... So this would be a case of using their fonts...the best stuff they ever made(well no...I think fdisk is a great program...most usefull one M$ ever made) -Steve -- Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella Product Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.conexware.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bash help
to make bash wait a certain amount of time... sleep(X) # X = number of seconds to sleep as for detecting an error scripts can return errors just like any program... I think maybe hmmm I forget exactly how...but I know its no differnt than a program -Steve BRIAN SCHRAMM wrote: I am trying to tell if a program is passing back an error in a Bash script. I would like to branch on receipt of the error to a wait statement that will give me about 20 seconds and then retry. My trouble is I cannot remember how to detect the error and how to make the shell wait a definite amount of time. Can anyone help me? Thanks Brian Schramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PINE Debian Package
Marcus Brinkmann wrote: better. I am among those who feel this way. Why is mutt better? Because it is faster. I still was able to read 30+ MB mailboxes (debian bug reports ;) without struggle. Over 7000 messages, and after building and sorting the index (which took half a minute on my pentium 100), I have instant access to evry mail. And this with only 16 MB RAM. I have read this thread a bit...after reading this testimony I am very muchinterested in mutt! I got mutt and installed it about a week ago...along with pine. I really like pine so...it will take some convincing to get me over to mutt there are a few features of pine I like and if mutt has them then I would be happy to switch to mutt firstly I need the transparent integration of PGP that I get from pine + pinepgp scripts (ok not need but it makes my life a hell of allot easier!) I know this can be done with mutthow do I set that up? (are there any docs on it?) also... I am getting used to pine keybindins...and also...the major thing I found lakcing in mutt was menus I like how pine has that menu always there so I can see what commands are available (it helps for quick learning of how to use it) also...its nice to have a list of my mailboxes that I can scroll through the last feature I would really use is the ability to have it automatically move read messages into another folder that way I have procmail deliver my messages sorted by folder... and all I have to do is goto my incomming folder for that list to read it then if I want an old one just goto th read one I know some of these features are a bit extranous but they make my life easier (sorry if some of these lines are too long...at work I hafta use nutscrape for mail) I'm not sure... personally I dislike Pine's interface, but that is a matter of taste. They don't differ too much anyway. Well there is no acounting for taste :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fonts in X [Off Topic]
Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella wrote: Remco Blaakmeer writes: If nobody objects to it, I'll file bug reports for the following annoyances I have encountered when X is misconfigured: I don't know if I agree witha bug report against X...as the keyword there is misconfigured...although you could look at that as a bug in xdm but... there is a such thing as misconfigured...reminds me of when I was a tottal linux newbie I was running with RedHat in runlevel 5 (init starts XDM on startup) and I recompiled my kernel for the first time...forgot to compile in a mouse driver xdm didn't like that at all... needed to use a kernel boot parameter tofix it -Steve - If the X server fails to start, xdm seems to be restarting it indefinitely. I'd say that if the X server is restarted too often too fast, it should be disabled because it is obviously not working. Just like init disables processes that are respawning too fast. YES! Do that! It has bothered me for a long time, now. That's one reasons I'm more affraid to use xdm. What if your video card starts having problem? What if you test a new resolution, and the computer reboots? I guess the bug is in xdm. It should even try a default VGA mode if it fails to load in the default resolution, before giving you a text console, and a error message. -- Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella Product Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.conexware.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
xconsole question
This may be a silly Question but I figure it can't hurt to ask anyway... When I went to WPI last year they had allot of systems running DEC UNIX I could go and sit down at a really cool DEC Xterminal and login... when I did I got a small window called xconsole. whenever I ran any program it would show up in xconsole with the pid and all...just like it does when you run somethin in the background st s dshell prompt... it was just sent to this xconsole instead of the xterminal I thought that was cool...a nice log of the session..every pid with a start and stop in one little windwo I noticed xconsole exists for linux... I have tried various times to run it with no effect it just sits there...nothing show sup on it how do I configure this useless littl efeatre? -Steve -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xconsole question
I could have swonr I rea dthe man page course I can't read it here (the linux machine I have here at work is strictly text-only...so no X stuff) and hmm...so its syslog that does that/ I should have known... I need to configure that better anyway...hmmanother 2 hours and I can go home anmd work on twhayt a slow day -Steve Shaleh wrote: Once again I point you to the almighty man page. Also, read /etc/syslogd.conf. If you are still lost, post back. Stephen Carpenter wrote: This may be a silly Question but I figure it can't hurt to ask anyway... When I went to WPI last year they had allot of systems running DEC UNIX I could go and sit down at a really cool DEC Xterminal and login... when I did I got a small window called xconsole. whenever I ran any program it would show up in xconsole with the pid and all...just like it does when you run somethin in the background st s dshell prompt... it was just sent to this xconsole instead of the xterminal I thought that was cool...a nice log of the session..every pid with a start and stop in one little windwo I noticed xconsole exists for linux... I have tried various times to run it with no effect it just sits there...nothing show sup on it how do I configure this useless littl efeatre? -Steve -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --- How can you see, when your mind is not open? How can you think, when your eyes are closed? - Jason Bonham Band, Ordinary Black and White --- -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fonts in X [Off Topic]
If you happen to have an hour or two to killand nothing better to do you caould call the tech suport for the company and complain tell them that you want to delete the software off of the hard drive but refuse to turn it on because you don't want to agree to and be bound by those licences demand they send someone out to delete the software for you you wont get anywherebut it could be fun to kill an hour (and I have seen less than that get someone to change their wording on something :) ) -Steve Peter S Galbraith wrote: Or I could send an spam like: By receiving this email you agreed to install Debian on your computer, and delete all the other operating systems in it. Sticker on my new Toshiba laptop: Notice: The software products pre-installed on your computer are copyrighted works. Before turning on your computer, please read the License Agreemant printed on each software package envelope or inside the front of the appropriate manual. By turning on your computer you indicate that you have read and accepted these software licenses terms. Even if you turn it on to delete it? I wonder what a judge would say about this. -- Peter Galbraith, research scientist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maurice Lamontagne Institute, Department of Fisheries and Oceans Canada P.O. Box 1000, Mont-Joli Qc, G5H 3Z4 Canada. 418-775-0852 FAX: 775-0546 ** New E-Mail. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is cut off ** -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Windoze 95 is not multi-tasking, it just pretends it is multitasking.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Michael Beattie wrote: Well, IE 4 with Active Desktop is a piece of sh*t. I installed it on the machine of my girl friend,and she wanted me to remove it instantly. With all those circles and orange buttons, you can't find the folders and files any more... Whoa... hey, A little exploring yeilds options to turn that crap off... Then there is the Make all folders like this one button.. Since This thread refuses to die This all reminds me of a recent article I read on why Today's PCs are the most crash-prone ever built. which happens to be the exact reason I think Windows 95 is not all that bad. The idea is simple...The average user is that guy who wants to turn the powe r on, see the lights flash, send some e-mail, do some things and play some games. If it crashes now and again it is not abig deal, its just a minor annoyance. (Unless you are Bill Gates and it BSODs while you are demonstrating it at a press conference :) ) I am not saying that I personally like Win95. I love computers and use them because I enjoy understanding them and being able to command them to work my wayI am not the average user But hey, Winslow is no match for Linux... JavaOS etc... (Hell, I hate to say it, but _sometimes_ the MacOS is better.. even though it is incredibly patronizing) heh I can't stand MacOS (and I am offically the Mac Guy at work.. whenever a Mac users computer needs work they say...Mac Tech Support um yea HE is over there) I mean it works but...its too cute of course... I just plain use too mny systems... linux at home (and at work on my PC)..Win95, MacOS, Win3.1, VMS, terminal Servers (LATs are cool) at least with mac OS I don't see a command prompt and have to think UM ok...which command set this time? and D'ho ls doesn't work in DOS Why is the backspace actin g even stranger than in a poorly setup XTerm? (if you think seeing ^H on a screen is badimaging backspace sends your cursor back to the begining of the line without having the god damned common courtesy to erase what you typed) oh well...what was this thread about? and um..why is it here? - -Steve -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNT05snxvn0zebBV9AQHgmAP/emiD5nnup9Yi44KUwPwnb2wnBNac8zWt GwfMCr20IelUzBoa565GseAvNSoYYQerbieU7hr2zfXRXTLnO6m0xzp0ylJGzyRU QFJnP6c4o9q4nAB7EXRwj2et0GAiZaBdHYJCKfTBCv1TqQzoHXE3aE75sH9ogk98 tGyP+oCv0ZU= =KQHH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Telnet Proxy anyone?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Adrian Bridgett wrote: On Tue, Apr 21, 1998 at 04:39:23PM +1200, Richard L Shepherd wrote: Has anyone heard of a telnet-proxy package (especially for linux and Debian of course)? We have some people who have (and want to keep) their subnet blocked for offsite access (so they do all their WWW browsing via a WWWcache which can then be billed for). I was wondering if there is something we can do like this for telnet. Any ideas? There is no such thing as telnet-proxy. What you are after is SOCKS - socks4 is packaged already (I'm working on v5, but most people don't need that - *I* don't need it either!) Actually I have seen somethin gcalled a telnet proxy two things come to mind 1 was part of a larger proxy server package you would telnet to it and send C Host and it would then connect you the other was a C program I saw somewhere that you could run and again telnet into and make conenctions elsewhere 1 was part of a Proxy Sevrer package (actually...I think it was WinGate for Win95) the other for Unix and advertised as helping you hide where you are comming from for hacking course it would still do the job...course I agree with you socks is much better...I just felt like nit-picking :) - -Steve -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNT1C3Xxvn0zebBV9AQEXbAP/TePqrT4zpp8Z49xFrUe5umYxFLGWuIZv LZncodcSqKLu0D5bMwc9bRXo0wkpuEMBq0hiUd4PAKOotjubBiuM8F6q5zAA7D/X CwP4boedmDvlWRbvRgLQVhqH9w1bl5X6k8zvHJbRNfUWbO1shbeT7szY+6GQ1L8Z 4SMJ7AeSC4g= =NwN2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: upgrade to libc6 script?
I can't seem to connect to either of these sites...I tried yesterday and again today The farthest Nutscrape gets is saying Host contacted waiting for reply I am wondering if these sites work for everyone else? Maybe they don't like hosts whose names don't reverse lookup right? (here at work everything is AFU...everything is on DHCP behind a firewall and you can lookup an IP adress by hostname but not vica-versa.. allot of times you can't even do that much) I dunno...just a thought on why it wont work -Steve Craig Sanders wrote: On Tue, Apr 21, 1998 at 09:57:08AM -0400, Stephen Carpenter wrote: The one you link is the old version It is v.23 and I elieve from what I read this morning .25 was releaces According to the old versiont he latest version shoul dbe at: http://www.taz.net.au/autoup/autoup/ that url was a typo fixed in 0.24. it should be http://www.taz.net.au/autoup/ however, http://debian.vicnet.net.au/autoup is updated at exactly the same time as my home (taz) site, has lots more stuff (like copies of all the required .debs individually and in a .tar.gz archive), and has several Mbps of upstream bandwidth (which is infinitely better than my 64K ISDN connection to vicnet). personally, i think people would be crazy to use the taz site rather than the vicnet sitebut hey! some people actually *like* things slower and with less features. choose your protocol: http://debian.vicnet.net.au/autoup or ftp://debian.vicnet.net.au/autoup craig -- craig sanders -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SCSI and Tape Drives
I have had one too many hardware failures which resulted in me Loosing everything lately, and as such would like to get a Tape drive I have been told that with linux most IDE Tape drives and All SCSI tape dirves will work I have had a secret desire (ok..not so secret) to start using SCSI on my home system for some time now I found I can get a 4 gig tape drive (uncompressed...uses Travan TR4 tapes) for about $200 it is a Seagate T*Stor 8000 Internal SCSI (model sgt8000iS) Does anyone kno wmuch about this drive? how much troubl eam I looking at? I already know I will have to recompile my kernel (I ALWAYS use a custom built kernel and my current one had SCSI suport turned off completely) I will also need a SCSI controller card... I got (for free) a SCSI controller... somone bought an internal SCSI Zip drive here at work but already had a SCSI card so they gave me the new one from the Zip drive... is this controller worth bothering with or should I spend the $$ to get a better one? I am looking for any recommendations (I am tired of buying hardware and having it break and not work so easilyso this time im not going to Impulse Buy my computer hardware) -Steve -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fonts in X [Off Topic]
Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella wrote: Remco Blaakmeer writes: It is probably illegal to use the fonts that come with Windows. Why? If you bought a Windows license, you bought a license for the Windows components, I think. That sounds right to meIt is of course illegal to distribute the font thatcome with windows, well...I havn't actually looked to see if the windows fonts are available on any sort of Free licence... but... What are the chances of Micro$oft using any sort of free licence for anything? Not being legal to use Windows fonts in Linux would be like being illegal to buy Coke and using the jar to carry Oranje Juice... I think a better analogy might be You buy a coke bu tbecause of thelicence agreement you have to drink the whole thing, you can't dump half of it out even if you don't like its flavor To let the X server use the fonts, you can do: $ xset fp+ tcp/localhost:7100 you can also edit /etc/XF86config and add the fontpathunix:7100 (I think thats it don't have the docs in front of me... in any case it is in the xfstt docs from the tarball on sunsite) NB: if you do this..and reboot your machine you MUST run xfstt ...if you do not have xfstt and you have this line in your XF86Config file...then X will refuse to start and exit with an error -Steve Thanks for the clues! I finally could see some nice fonts in Netscape... it does make things look o much nicer :)-Steve -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fonts in X [Off Topic]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- I know in fact xfstt is on the list of Packages needing a new main tainer I know this list is not really the proper place for this but... since it needs a new maintainer...I am wondering what is involved in that I have been thinking for a while that I would like to pitch in and help out... ive looked over a few packages...and xfstt is a package I really like im just still a little unsure of myself and my abilities (supose its a self confidence issue)... this doesn't seem like a very hard package to keep up with and work on... anyon ehave any thoughts on whether this one is good for a first package to get ones feet wet? I really like this package and I think what it does is GREAT (it makes Netscape and other programs look so much better) ive been toying with the idea of this package and that it is needing a new maintainer for a few weeks now (I know I should probably look into the Debian-mentors list if I am considering volunteering but...between debian-devel and debian-user and BUGTRAQI have trouble keepin up with the nearly 300-500 e-maisl a day - -Steve On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Remco Blaakmeer wrote: On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Stephen Carpenter wrote: I read this now and this reminds me of a point I have meant to bring to someones attention... the debian xfstt package soes not contain the original xfstt documentation! I installed it recently (again) and actually had to download the package off of sunsite and unpack the tarball just to get the docs on how to tell X that I hada font server running! hmm...if the lack of a man page is considered a bug (I read that somewhere) would this also fall into that catergory? the docs included in the deb (unfortunately) don't even ell how to make the install usefull :( Yes, this would count as a bug in the package. But my impression from README.debian is that the maintainer doesn't really want to spend too much work on it, so probably this package is practically, though not officially, orphaned. Remco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNTv81Xxvn0zebBV9AQGDsAQAj8m1yECDBmjuhfGZ9zM4K396b1u+Zovo 4zGME8rCdapZMYLspJNo6fk4sYukCSmIAVn4s+iPYUYx0zQSeInhqY7kfDOJ6bNz lZXX7wGeoew+k8AVDPZ5SyZNRHfYWG/U8gyoEKuO1DKyA0eSdlpjbfQDei/FAiUV 1UDkmza/emM= =tfcg -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fonts in X [Off Topic]
ahh thanx for the info It has been on that list saying it needed a new maintainer for a while now...oh well... hopefully now the documentation will be fixed :) -Steve Petra wrote: On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Stephen Carpenter wrote: I was told that XFSTT had a new maintainer when I asked to adopt it... so I guess we are both to late. MUCH SNIPED -K -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: upgrade to libc6 script?
The one you link is the old version It is v.23 and I elieve from what I read this morning .25 was releaces According to the old versiont he latest version shoul dbe at: http://www.taz.net.au/autoup/autoup/ -Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 21, 1998 at 02:42:01PM +0200, E.L. Meijer (Eric) wrote: I tried to look up the url for the autoupgrade script to libc6, but aparently the list archives on www.debian.org are hosed (i.e., not there). Could anyone tell me where to find the most recent version of this script? Wouldn't it be nice to put this on the web page under `support'? It's available from the Developer's Corner as http://www.debian.org/devel/autoup.sh ; I'm not sure if it's the latest version though (one was posted this morning I think). HTH, Ray -- LEADERSHIP A form of self-preservation exhibited by people with auto- destructive imaginations in order to ensure that when it comes to the crunch it'll be someone else's bones which go crack and not their own. - The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian list `From' line (Re: exim mutt, weird)
I used to use that also but a number of them got through I don't think that handles cc: to the list -Steve Nils Rennebarth wrote: On Tue, Apr 21, 1998 at 09:22:16AM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote: I have a procmail recipe to catch the Debian mailing list traffic : :0 * ^From [EMAIL PROTECTED] debian It fails on mail from a few users, for which the `From' line is not the Debian mailing list: Rev. Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nils Rennebarth [EMAIL PROTECTED] My procmail recipe is :0: * ^TOdebian-user.* debian-user this works for all messages sent to the list. Nils -- *-* | Quotes from the net: L Linus Torvalds, W Winfried Truemper | | Lthis is the special easter release of linux, more mundanely called 1.3.84 | | WUmh, oh. What do you mean by special easter release?. Will it quit | * Wworking today and rise on easter? * Part 1.2 Type: application/pgp-signature -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian list `From' line (Re: exim mutt, weird)
ahhh OOPS! I tottally forgot about that one! I still prefer ^X-Mailing-List: . since you know debian-user puts it in...(also that way if a messgae is sent to you directly AND to the list...the version that went through the list get ssorted in the list folder and the copy directly to you goes in you inbox This brings upa thought what if you didn't want that behaviour and actually wanted the duplicate mail which would differ only by a few headers (a coupld of recieved, an X-Loop (from debian-user) and the X-Mailing-List, to be lost (so that you only get 1 copy of the mail and only read one)? Could that be easily done? I wonder (hmm possibly use an external script which would grep the folder for that identical message ID and not deliver it if that ID shows up??) -Steve Joel Klecker wrote: At 10:14 -0400 1998-04-21, Stephen Carpenter wrote: Nils Rennebarth wrote: * ^TOdebian-user.* debian-user I used to use that also but a number of them got through I don't think that handles cc: to the list From procmailrc(5): If the regular expression contains `^TO' it will be sub- stituted by `(^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To|Cc|Bcc)|(X- Envelope|Apparently(-Resent)?)-To):(.*[^a-zA-Z])?)', which should catch all destination specifications containing a specific word. -- Joel Espy Kleckermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://web.espy.org/ Debian GNU/Linux Developer...http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Running XDVI from netscape
I have seen this problem before. Thanks Michael for quick response. Hmm... will another shell give me still different error messages? I load ash from cdrom, and /bin/sh - /bin/ash - and IT WORKS. A problem with shells seems more serious than one with application; should I report this to someone? if so who. The problem may be with Netscape 4.04 since it seemed to have generated an illegal script with ksh. If the problem is with Netscape 4 then they already know about itA few months back I was trying to get netscape to use Play to play wav file soundsI had the exact same problem. I tried everything (including using ; ' and a cast of other chgaricters) in the definition as to trick netscape into working I had no luck at all and never thinking it could be a bug in bash reported it as a bug in netscapes bug system just thinking now... maybe if I strace netscapeit will show what the actual command line that it passes is...hmm... but if it works with ashI can see no reason as a temporary fix to change sh to link to ash (ill try it again when I get home) -Steve -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Big hard disks
Larry Panzer wrote: Thanks to everyone who helped me on my last question. Now that I have decided on getting a bigger hard disk (I looking at about a 1GB) I have heard of or know of the following problems: Can I plug a 1GB EIDE disk into a normal IDE controller with a CD-ROM, and will it be standard IDE interface be able to access the full disk? Some BIOS's don't boot with a HDD over 500MB if they are older. My BIOS is (C) 1992 ZDS (Zenith Data Systems). it sounds like you have a problemI doubt a BIOS (c) 1992 will boot a 1 gig drive..also I doubt it would work well without the seup utility (ive had problems with NEWER BIOSes than that) from what I understand you could do this... keep your existing drive and add the new one... Linux (AFAIK) doesn't nee dthe BIOS fo rmuch beyond booting... so even if the BIOS doesn't know about the new drive linux will and then you can partition and format the drive and distribute its bigness however you wantsnip My current HDD is a Western Digital 125MB, therefore couldn't you just let the BIOS think it's only 125MB and have it read off the MBR to load LILO? from what I understand this SHOULD work fine... Then (from looking at some Mini-HOWTO's) you could tell LILO of the correct drive geometry? The final problem I have is once I can boot off this big drive, what is the best way to partition it? thats really hard to say...Ive never really found any good info on thatas I use 1 drive Ipartition as follows: (for my 3.2 gig drive) 1024 MB/ (root partition) swap is equal to physical RAMbut...I have 128 MB of RAM so... thats enough... for less I would got for about 2x RAM or more and... the rest is /home (because 90% of the data that I can not replace if it dies is n home directories)but thats just me Do I have to mount all these partitions to their directories every time I boot up, and won't this mess up the way files are installed by dselect, or the basic Linux install its self? Thanks for your help, it's greatly appreciated. during the install you can specify the partitions and where they map tothen it will make changes to /etc/fstab on boot mount will use /etc/fstab to tell it where to mount everything for you :) -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Zen and the art of working with NT
I have a linux machine here which is low on hard disk space my idea was to mount my Windows NT home directory here at work and use it for extra space (I can up my spcae by 2 gigs that way) o far I have mounted my home drive \\home5\sjc8$ on /mnt/partners with smbmount because o fmy specific problems I was trying to do the following: create a second extended filesystem in a file on the NT home dir and then mount that filesystem (I need a filesystem that will hole my files and care about case and permissions I am planning on using it to image CDs to burn (hamm hamm hamm :) ) why wont it work? I can make an e2fs filesystem but when I try to moungt it anywhere I get errors I tried the following example cd ~ touch test.e2 mke2fs -F test.e2 500 (it makes a filesystem) mkdir testmnt mount test.e2 -o loop testmnt and it moutns! then... cp test.e2 /mnt/partners mount /mnt/partners/test.e2 -o loop testmnt and I get the errors loop: block 1 not present and a bunch of others then I tried cd /mnt/partners mkdir testmnt and same deal anyone tried this? can it work? what sthe problem? -Steve -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Exim and procmail
George Bonser wrote: On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Daniel Quinlan wrote: hi, now I know I can't be the only one using Exim and procmail, so I must be doing something weird. Uhm, you probably ARE the only one using Exim and Procmail! Exim has its own filtering and delivery scripting built-in so there is no need for procmail. I am sad to report he is not the only one using exim and procmailI use them alsohave it working well though with fetchmail hmmm maybe I will check out exim's own mail delivery stuff I do so like procmail though (and sort of need it for a project but thats completely anothe rstory) Go to www.exim.org and read the exim filter specification. ill check this out... hmm maybe this should be mentioned in the description of the exim package? I don't remember it saying anything about that...just said its easier to configure -Steve -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fonts in X [Off Topic]
I read this now and this reminds me of a point I have meant to bring to someones attention... the debian xfstt package soes not contain the original xfstt documentation! I installed it recently (again) and actually had to download the package off of sunsite and unpack the tarball just to get the docs on how to tell X that I hada font server running! hmm...if the lack of a man page is considered a bug (I read that somewhere) would this also fall into that catergory? the docs included in the deb (unfortunately) don't even ell how to make the install usefull :( -Steve Remco Blaakmeer wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Paul Rightley wrote: I have installed xfstt, but it seems to be documentation-poor. I know nothing of fonts in X (or in Windows for that matter - I guess I am the prototypical luser). Where would I get some TTF fonts and where would I put them to use them? Are there fonts of this sort that follow the DFSG (which I would prefer)? You can place the fonts in a subdirectory of /var/ttfonts . You can use any name for that subdirectory. Where you get the fonts is another issue. It is probably illegal to use the fonts that come with Windows. You could get yourself a CD with a few hundred shareware/freeware fonts, but most of these are very poorly licensed. xfstt isn't yet automatically started at boot time. To start it manually, do: # xfstt ... as root. If you also run xfs, you'll have to put one of these font servers on another port than the default (which is 7100). 'xfstt --help' and 'xfs --help' are helpful here. But if you say you don't know anything about fonts, you probably don't run xfs. To let the X server use the fonts, you can do: $ xset fp+ tcp/localhost:7100 ... as any user that currently has access to the X server (i.e. you). This only works if the X server is already running and must be done every time the X server is restarted. If you want the X server to automatically use the fonts, you can add this line to the Files section in /etc/X11/XF86Config : FontPath tcp/localhost:7100 If xfstt isn't running when X is started, the X server will not be able to use the TTF fonts until you issue the xset command above. I say again here, I don't know where GIMP gets its fonts. But if it gets them from the X server, this is the way to get GIMP to use TTF fonts. Also, note that xfstt is in an experimental state. It is not yet stable and may crash or do things you don't expect now and then. But you could be lucky and it may just work for you. If you have any more questions, just ask. Remco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HELP: Telneting Inbound via a PPP Connection
Rob Goodwin wrote: Hi there, Hi :) I'm having a serious problem here. I have been able to set up my machine to accept PPP connection. I can dial from a win95 machine and use PAP to authenticate and connect. The IP address is assigned to the win95 machine alright and I can then ping my linux box but that's about it. Any attempt to telnet or ftp yields nothing. no login prompt, etc. When you say telnet do you mean telnet TO the linu xbox or beyond itusing it as a router? What could be the problem? many things :) The linux box IP is 192.168.1.1 and the IP being assigned to ttyS2 is 192.168.1.10. I also have IP masquerading set up for the LAN. (although it isn't connected at the moment when it was it was working fine) I thought the most obvious things would be in the hosts.allow or the ipfwadm set up in rc.local so I posted them below. If it could be something else please let me know. did you check out /etc/hosts.deny?it ofetn has ALL: PARANOID I find this to be too resrticitve also I think 192.168.1. is not full enouhg for hosts.allow (I could be wrong) have you tried 192.168.1.0 (or 255...im not sure which is right...I need to brush up on my IP) -Steve like I said, a ping to 192.168.1.1 over the modem works without a problem as does using the linux box as an Internet gateway for the LAN. I just can't telnet or ftp in over a modem. thanks, rob /etc/hosts.allow ALL: 192.168.1. portmap: 192.168.1. /etc/rc.d/rc.local /sbin/ipfwadm -F -f /sbin/ipfwadm -F -p deny /sbin/ipfwadm -F -a accept -S 192.168.1.0/24 -D 192.168.1.0/24 /sbin/ipfwadm -F -a masquerade -S 192.168.1.0/24 -D 0.0.0.0/0 /sbin/ipfwadm -F -a deny -S 0.0.0.0/0 -D 192.168.1.0/24 netbios-ns -P tcp /sbin/ipfwadm -F -a deny -S 0.0.0.0/0 -D 192.168.1.0/24 netbios-ns -P udp /sbin/ipfwadm -F -a deny -S 0.0.0.0/0 -D 192.168.1.0/24 netbios-dgm -P tcp /sbin/ipfwadm -F -a deny -S 0.0.0.0/0 -D 192.168.1.0/24 netbios-dgm -P udp /sbin/ipfwadm -F -a deny -S 0.0.0.0/0 -D 192.168.1.0/24 netbios-ssn -P tcp /sbin/ipfwadm -I -f /sbin/ipfwadm -I -a deny -S 192.168.1.0/24 netbios-ns -D 192.168.1.1 domain -P udp -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cannot login?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Carroll Kong wrote: Hey guys. Big problem... I had freebsd 3.0 sitting around, decided to mount my linux ext2fs partitions with it. I umounted it... rebooted back into linux. Now I can ONLY login as root. If I login as myself it says. cannot cd /home/damascus What are the permissions on /home/damascus? this is my home dir on my system: drwxr-sr-x 7 sjc sjc 1024 Apr 18 19:16 sjc you NEED the execute bits set...without them you can't cd to the directory And.. if I su damascus as root it says su: cannot run /usr/bin/zsh permission denied: again...this looks like an execute bit problem... see what happens if you goto /usr/bin and type chmod a+x zsh (yes I do it alls symbolicly...I havn't learned my octal permissions codes yet) Do the same for yout home directory try adduser for a differnt user...see what it makes and if that new user works course it could be some weird zsh problem I used zsh for a very short timeI was writting a program and zsh and I had a nasty argument about whether the data from my printf's should be displayed I have not used zsh since - -Steve -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNTk2cHxvn0zebBV9AQFl5QP+NBn4s+NLUPT5txF4BwF4Kj23KggCV0Ik 25hdkDGyhIu1kyWvZgQT/NAY5A5WTPFVD6mJ5YYVRGWCpt3mfLq9DzH4M7BpPjHg s87f9GEt9supcNpWOOwtN+l2T/V5acqpwuVhI4+DD8sW2HPfeW1WIKfEoRuuGxAP ugpWjjkWVuQ= =lUOC -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Q: Suport for IR?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- I just got a new Motherboard and was looking over it I noticed this one (my old bad one had this too but I never took notice) it has support for an IR port I supose this is basically a communmications port that uses infra-red devices instead wire cables Can this be acessed through linux? is there support fo rit? has anyone played with it yet? I am really curious as to whether it is just like another comm port or what I would really love to play with it eventually (who knows might get alaptop someday...) also..as fo rthe cool features I see is there USB suport yet? (course..I know there is hardly any hardwar ethat uses USB...) hmm back to the IR anyone know how that is controlled? could thr right software maybe use the IR port to record signals from a TV remote and spit them back on demand ? or does the hardware not offer that level of control over the signal ? - -Steve -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNTk9rnxvn0zebBV9AQGYxAQAkYVW4JmDjz9K6ojWAkBgZyvr1Y+/ZIKT L4AJn/3a8KN4sl2CcV+GzmFNURcWRF1/6yAKewm1qHK/igMy0ViUWsAnKVQRIxt9 hIIGHLphN/82WGwL43AmocVvYnygn/ZPHE8xqy81Eggk9dss8Sr6z3/oZkozxYMV 5chx3/FiSw8= =/dau -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sound problems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Rev. Joseph Carter wrote: On Thu, Apr 16, 1998 at 09:09:05AM -0400, Stephen Carpenter wrote: If youw ant the Easy way out check out www.4front-tech.com they have the OSS/Linux sound card drivers They work great and suport many cards. They have one advantage in being comercial software (there is also OSS/Free...but it doesn't have everything that OSS/Linux has) RANTThere is nothing Easy about OSS/Linux. OSS/* is an example of how NOT to write good drivers for Linux. =p/RANT Ok I will admit...it has its um quirks reminds me..have to set mu /usr/include/ sym links back If at all possible, I strongly advise you use OSS/Free in the kernel for now. OSS/Linux has been known to be responsible for MANY problems on my system including all-out crashes (without so much as an OOPS!) I wish I could :( I have an Ensoniq AudioPCI soundcard... in fatc that Soundcard is a good amount of why I finnaly decided to stop running linux onm my server and WIn95 on my Workstation and just go completely linux... cuz AudioPC DOs Mode drivers are incompatible with the AMD K6 processor (fixed in a letter processor stepping) which means I oculdn't play Quake :( (eventually I will get a new soundcard but...I have other priorities) ...patiently waiting for ALSA. Whats ALSA? - -Steve -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNTkt73xvn0zebBV9AQGi6QP/XRnnmuLI9QK670rwRDeN1KigqtXkkofA 541z5AFldfacLxKbtAkUZZ4ZcStrjXXEp/vlcBZP9369/q7aOJufNvbGpa6PVkDV Q61cNWtjcffJ8Yh984GwQbVDHkHdCmztGftKidouPBqoN6NZYyB8PUSrfQZoBmuX Q6a9xDAQY80= =86m7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
pppd flakines and hamm CDs
I finnally resolved my computer problems (thanx to everyone who helped) by getting a nice new motherboard Now I have reinstalled debian and have upgraded to hamm before my crash I had a bo system, which I upgraded to hamm... but I had set up PPP to work to my ISP under bo... with this installation I run Autoup.sh and upgrade to hamm before the first dselect of the bo install...so bo ppp never gets installed I am using ppp_2.3.3-4.deb (from my hamm disk) the whole setup has changed from what I remember and I can not get it to work I edited /etc/chatscripts/provider with my ISP dialup number, username and password I turned off auth, and gave pon a try (I also tried invoking ppd by command line direct) what happens is this: I get 2 processes pppd and chat (obviously) it sits there and never dials but if I killall pppd then as soon as pppd diesI hear my modem pick up (and one time even started to dial) it keeps happening like this...it just doesn't seem to want to work (also BTW should I use /dev/cua0 or /dev/tttyS0 ? I have tried both to no avail) my plan is to remove the ppp package (already doen that actually) and install the bo ppp (not done that yet) I got tired ands went to bed b4 I tried also... Since my hamm CD is both poorly organized and pre-freeze I thought I would make a new one today...anyone care to give me a tree listing of thec correct hamm CD directory structure (so I have a better idea how to layout my disk) I am doing it by hand because disk space is a major concern for me (unfortunately) -Steve -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HELP!!!
Joost Kooij wrote: My advice: run for the shop and get another board. Another brand and model. I don't know how you value your time, but I would certainly shell out some money if it would save me a week of hassle. I value my time highlyit its one thing strugling getting something to work when I learn something out of it...but unles I really feel like getting some chipset documentation, grabbing my occiloscope and soldering ironthen really all there is to be learned is Stop buying cheap hardware I vowed before to stop...and I thought this was a good board sometimes in the shop its hard to tell the difference between the cheap crap and the good stuff. I have had some hassle with linux now and then, but the time that I put in solving problems I have always found well-invested. I've always come out better and knowing more. Which is why I don't care if they can get a WIn95 machine to boot with this MBI want Linux :) I took the plunge and I am not going back With hardware, I find that problems are almost always intensely frustrating. The only thing I've ever learnt from hardware problems is that you're best choice is to look at it for no more than an hour and bring it back to the shop. I agree...unfortnatly this shop has annoying hoursI work until 5 pm and they close at 6 pm (2 pm on saturdays) and it takes me nearly half an hour to get there from work Don't feel embarassed towards the shop personnel or yourself. If the shop only sells motherboards of the cheaper sorts, go to another shop to buy the replacement. They are an ok shop...they even admit We don't know anythingabout linux...it was all I could do to keep from laughing when I told them I formatted the drive and installed linux on a pentium 100 and it should boot ...and they tried to explain why I need to install it on the PC it is going to run on (using Win95 user logic ) Hardware problems are my only reason for not buying stuff from mailorder companies, although they're usually much cheaper and often carry known good brands. On more than half the computers that I've bought (I regularly buy computers for friends and relatives) I had to go back to the shop to get a replacement or an upgrade. I agree...I have had mixed luck with many thingsI have a few mailorder places that I have dealt with befoe and like... I really like the auctions at Onsale.com ...got some nice things there cheap...and they seem to work well (1.5 kVA UPS :) ) One little tip I learned: AVOID COMPUTER SHOWS LIK ETHE PLAGUE I went ot one and bought a Motherboard with processor for $150 turns out the processor was bad internal cache...when I called the company all I ever got was an answering machine and they NEVER called back I don't expect any software to run stable on rotten hardware. Because I buy equipment for other people, I want the hardware to work 100% because I don't give support on Windows (people tend to take it as an excuse to not try to figure things out themselves anymore - besides, having to give windows support is a form of mental abuse anyway.) HA! I agree...but m job here at work is giving Windows support(and Mac support, and the ocasional VT100 and its terminal server, and some level of mainfraim applicationsI swear...I use too many systems) I notice that we don't support the SUN station sthat some of the users have...then again...I havn't yet heard of one going down Good luck, Thanx but...I just have NO LUCK with hardware...The only system I ever bought that worked reliably was a Pentium 100 from Packard Hell..impossible to upgrade...hell to work on... but it ran relaiably...go figure -Steve -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sound problems
What type of soundcard do you have? For many Soundblaster compatible types if you get all of its info and recompile your kernel and turn on the built-in kernel sound card drivers (and configure them) then you are all set I have never had luck going that route but...I had a couple of really weird cards If youw ant the Easy way out check out www.4front-tech.com they have the OSS/Linux sound card drivers They work great and suport many cards. They have one advantage in being comercial software (there is also OSS/Free...but it doesn't have everything that OSS/Linux has) They are able to get info and specs on cards from companies that would require them not to releace the info This means that many more cards are suported..and OSS/Linux works great I (when my computer worked) used it with my Ensoniq AudioPCI with great results -Steve Tristan Day wrote: I can play CDs through my headphone jack on the drive, but Debian doesn't like my sound card. Tkdesk always looks for one at /dev/audio and tells me that it doesn't exist. I know that /dev/audio doesn't exist but how do I get it there? I looked for a sound card driver package, and only found AWE ones and nas. nas tells me it can't connect to the audio server or something like that. I tried man nas which told me that nas is for playing sound over a network, so is this really what I want? All I want to do is: 1) Play CDs thru sound card 2) Listen to/Record .wav files 3) Listen to MIDI files Is there a package that I've missed that'll support my soundblaster 16 compatible card? Thanks, Tristan | | | This message was sent using | | Micro$oft Express. - Don't blame me, mother | | insists. | | | | You're Not Our Brightest Year - Mr Boon, | | Headteacher of St Bede's, Cambridge | | | | Tristan you're so annoying!! | | I'm sorry, you're not really, you're very sweet | | -Mrs Myers, Maths Teacher| * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A few things about Debian Hamm
Chris wrote: Can anybody tell me when hamm is expected to go stable? I forget whether a date is set or not...but my system crashed due to major hardware failure (I am respondign from work now)...hamm seems rather stable Also, I am in the middle of installing a hamm system onto a clean drive, however it seems alot of old packages are missing (ie. pine, etc). Will these be included when it goes stable? I have been dowloading files at work and burning CDs... Pine is in non-free ...I noticed some things missing too... I saw Apache (web server) listed in Packages but...the deb file was not there...then again...I bvurened my hamm CD before the code freeze... just remember to check out non-free and all the toher places you never know where a package could end up Another thing - is there any plans for debianizing the enlightenment window manager? hmm I think I looked at Enlightenment...and I think it looked coolthat was a while ago tho... Thanks alot, chris BTW. I noticed that the rescue target doesn't work on the new rescue disk, nor does the base installation install any kernel modules... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A few things about Debian Hamm
I don't believe that is true I am using pine under hamm obn my pc here at work well..I have it installed...due to problems with firewall issues and DHCP I can't seem to get mail working but... I downloaded pine as a binary for hamm I saw the deb of hamm in hamm/non-free/binary-i386/mail -Steve Santiago Vila Doncel wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Chris wrote: Can anybody tell me when hamm is expected to go stable? Also, I am in the middle of installing a hamm system onto a clean drive, however it seems alot of old packages are missing (ie. pine, etc). Will these be included when it goes stable? pine is distributed in source-only form (but with Debian patches, so that you may create .deb packages for it). You will have to compile it yourself. Get the .dsc, .orig.tar.gz and .diff.gz files from the FTP archives (hamm/non-free/source/mail) and do the following: dpkg-source -x pine_3.96L-7.dsc cd pine-3.96L debian/rules binary (under root) That's all. Then you can dpkg -i pine.deb -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: latin1 iQCVAgUBNTSreyqK7IlOjMLFAQFPnQP/cJ3QjjhvfEHrXENW6zQOxv+9MgQ8n1vV I8YwM3HXHvtM1ER4F5fGoaw8Wky42hlZ6N4ceTn1vaf9bMBGeyYt5GVw3qC5KJVZ hTdLi/OzC/2WK14Mo5cZC7uBtDvuXMJ0zowcCf01wfDd9ZfI2kst8dj8l8oXB6GK B7fWVTagQ1s= =QMnw -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
HELP!!!
A friend of mine sent out an e-mail about this last night (taking half-assed dictation in his own way) I woul dlike to elaborate and ask again for help...I am desparate. Last thursday I was recompiling my kernel (2.0.29) on a hamm system (pre-freze but this had worked b4) and I got the dreaded SIGNAL 11. I checked out the SIG11 FAQ...and as it mentioned I ran Make again and it went a little farther and died again..as the FAQ says then it must be a hardware problem. I replaced the motherboard. On the new motherboard I am having still major problems. I have swapped out nearly every part, to no avail Here are the symproms: I can boot MS-DOS and use Loadlin to start the Debian installation I can install with no errors (checking badblocks etc, remaking the partition table etc - I make a 1024 MB root partition, a 128 MB swap partition, and the rest of the 3.2 gig drive is for /home) When I reboot... The BIOS does its thing and comes to lilo after which I see loading Linux and then it pauses for up to 20 seconds...then it gives me Error 0x20 and stops if I again boot DOS and go into the install... then on the seocnd VC I run e2fsck -f /dev/hda1 it comes up with major errors and deletes most of the filesystem (I once saw nearly everything gone leaving only the lost+found directory) I tried this hard drive in a second computer, it installs linux fine when that drive is moved back to this computer, it exibits the SAME refusal to boot...however I disabled the onboard IDE and put in a ISA IDE controler, and it worked just fine I don't hoeveer consioder this a solution becaus eit is a NEW motherboard which i got Saturday Is it possible that the IDE controller is a buggy one or of a weird chipset that will not work under linux? (installing bo so kernel 2.0.29) the board is a BioStar 8500 TTD (it is a TX chipset) where can I find this out? should I just return this borad and try to get a new board of a diffetn model and company (I already returned this board once and got it replaced...to no avail) a quick response is apreciated I have over 1000 e-maisl on my ISP...and have been without a home PC for almost a week This is really setting back my projects and things if you need any more info please let me know -Steve -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading to hamm
Jeff Noxon wrote: to 2.0.32 or 34pre? My K6 is one of the 32M bug free ones. You have me a bit worried I posted last night (througha friend) and a littlwe while ago about a major hardware problem When I replaced my motherboard I also got some more RAM... my new motherboard has 128 MB of SDRAM (single DIMM) and I have an AMD K6 ...how do I know if my processor is not 64 MB bug free ones? I am pretty sure that my current problem is not CPU related (unless the pentium also has the sam ebug) because I have swapped it out but...I want to walk away from all of this mess with a solid system -Steve I suspected the memory immediately and took it out. But it appears to be good stuff -- 60ns Micron EDO, just like what was already in there. Naturally, it also passes every memory test I throw at it. Thanks, Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HELP A NEWBIE: user:nobody invoking find
Albert Hurd wrote: Could anyone help me understand the following, and what to do about it: I can try :) . Wheh I am on the net (with netscape 3.04) my disk suddenly begins thrashing. A look at top shows a find / ( -fstype under user:nobody. The rather extensive find explains the disk thrashing, but who is nobody, nobody IS nobody...it is a username that denotes that it is not a personwho currently has an acount on the system some programs which delete a user take otu the user from the passwor dfile and get rid of their home directory... then they set any other files that that person owned so they are now owned by nobody (instead of the now invalid User ID) nobody is also used by some other system processes that try to be careful and don't want to run with root privilages, yet also don't want to take the risk of doing something as some other real user and how do I tell him to knock it off. This has happened twice on two consecutive days. Many thanks. You probbaly don't want to tell him to knock it off.What youa re seeing is actuallt a cron job this is run daily (see the file /etc/cron.daily/find ) it runs updatedb every day to catalog your filesystem . The upshot of this i sthat you can use the locate commenad try locate filename you will see why... if you don't want it ...then just delete the above mentioned file... but..then you will have to run updatedb yourself by hand when you want it -Steve Albert Hurd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading to hamm
Wow thanx It turns out that MY CPU has a metal heat sink with a fan attached but no heat sink grease (I will add some) as fo r the memory About a month back my memory went bad (2 days after a pwer failure...I runa UPS now -- 1.5 KVA..its nice) and I grabbed 32 MB out of an old Pentium 100 since it was the only RAM I had One of the reasons I want the new motherboard is that the DIMM slots on the old mother board don't work...all attempts to upgrade the RAM have failed (so I have been stuck with 32 MB of old RAM) unfortunatly my problems with the NEW board I DOUBT are heat related... they seem to be IDE controler problems but once i get them squared away...I will be sure to try adding some heat sink grease then again...I believe my system exhibited the same problem with SIG11 even after being off for hours...(previously it had been up for a few weeks) My CPU has always seemd to run cool...couse.// my heatsink is large with a fan...and I have a larger case fan blowing crosswind it -Steve George Bonser wrote: On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Stephen Carpenter wrote: I am pretty sure that my current problem is not CPU related (unless the pentium also has the sam ebug) because I have swapped it out but...I want to walk away from all of this mess with a solid system -Steve Are you the one that posted about Sig11 faults? If the faults do not occur in the same place twice, the trouble is usually one of the following: You have overclocked your CPU, put it back. You have a cheap or ineffective CPU fan and the CPU is getting too hot. Replace the fan and add heatsink compound to the area where the heatsinkk contacts the CPU. You have installed memory that is too slow for your machine causing random errors. Get the proper RAM. Your cache RAM is failing. Your power supply is failing. In 99% of my cases with random sig11 faults, it is related to CPU heat. Installing a good fan/heatsink with heatsink compound has fixed it. NEVER, EVER, EVER, use one of those stick-on cpu fans with double-sided tape. The tape actually INSULATES the CPU and can make it run hotter. George Bonser If I had a catchy quip, it would be here. http://www.debian.org Debian/GNU Linux ... the maintainable operating system. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Major Failure re-installing system!!!
I have re-installed my Debian Linux system many times over the past few months... A few times from hardware failures, once because of a broken package corrupting my filesystem... last night I had to do it again...I was recompiling my kernel (adding NE2000 suport...which I didn't have in the previous custom version) It would go for a while then I woul dget cc1 recieved fatal signal 11 and it would stop dead (I was building 2.0.29 on a hamm system) after a while of futzing around I tested the memory (I had a similar problem recently that was memory related...but these are completly differnt SIMMS) The memory tested fine (with memtest86) and I ddecided that since /home is on a differnt partition than / ...I wont loose much so I saved soem configs and offf I went things went well...my method was to A) install bo from debian 1.3.1 r6 offical CD (which I burned in january I think) [when I ran dselect to finish the install, I just allowed it to install all of the standard packages, I changed nothing) B) use my poorly setup hamm disk (burned in late feb b4 freeze) and run autoup.sh right off from th disk [same deal on the dselect, I didn't change anything (excpept I may have told it to use emacs20 instead of 19) ] then I started the install...itt seemed to work ok ...only 2 packages had problems both from the oldlibs section (tk something I think) I did the whole reboot/ wtmp/utmp fix... Then I tried to run dselect again to instal X and everything else I use... it tried to install some packages..then died it gives the following error whenever dpkg is used (which i salso what dselect uses) Archive EOF is not on block boundery or something to that effect (very simmilar to that) and also look slike an error in tar the thing is..I tried tar out on some archives..it works fine I can not get dpkg towork at all with any deb file..on CD or off any ideas? could this be a hardware problem? -Steve -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: enlarge my / directory
I don't think you can merger trhe 2 partitions it would be a real feat to do it and would involve changing the partition tabl, moving other partitions, and re-writing disk structures through ALL of the partitions (probably) and I know of no program that can do it... you coul dposibly however use parition magic to grow and shrink partitions of the FAT16 typw to try and coax the free space right nxt to the linux partition..and then it would just be a matter of finding a utility to enlarge the linux partition here might be a better way though... use mke2fs /dev/hdc7 to make a new partition and then use /dev/hdc7 for your user home directoriesthe reason... user home directories ar where you tend to keep almost all of your data...personal etc basiclaly the stuff that is hardest if not impossible to recover that way if there is a major crash within the / partition..you can format, r-install etc without loosing the data in /home (a good idea is to create a dir in home called something like save and periodically save some system cofigs there ie. XF86config, the dir /etc/ppp/, /etc/passwd (this would only be importnat if there are other people whose acount info you wish to preserve..and if that..get groups files too) butthat my dime bag if you wanna do it...here is how I did it: mount /dev/hdc7 /mnt the idea would be then to cd /home cp -rf * /mnt then rm -rf * and umount /mnt mount /dev/hdc7 /home Benoit Joly wrote: hi, i plan to enlarge my / directory but i dont know how, this is my info of partition: Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on /dev/hdc3 460612 35222684598 81% / /dev/hda1 521840 339744 182096 65% /wmnt/c /dev/hdc1 519824 406496 113328 78% /wmnt/d /dev/hda5 521832 11696 510136 2% /wmnt/e /dev/hda6 521832 76720 445112 15% /wmnt/f /dev/hda7 495640 358872 136768 72% /wmnt/g /dev/hdc5 519824 401056 118768 77% /wmnt/h /dev/hdc6 411008 16 410992 0% /wmnt/i /dev/hdc7 665056 32 665024 0% /wmnt/j /dev/hdd 661852 6618520100% /cdrom all partition other than /dev/hdc3 are fat16 partion i want to remove my /dev/hdc7 and put this in a linux partition... this part i know how, but how can i merge this new partition with the / directory? show i copy all from /dev/hdc3 to my new linux partition and then remove my /dev/hdc3 and enlarge the new linux partition? is it possible to do this in linux? i know partition magic for windows but it dont work with linux partition... thanks Benoit Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
