Re: domain setup & email/DSL

2001-02-09 Thread b3
Glenn Becker wrote:

> When I set up my Debian box, I named it debian.atomcam.com, which seemed
> logical at the time. I have since changed the numeric IP (we switched DSL
> providers when it turned out the former one had NOT BEEN PAYING THEIR
> BILLS to Covad ...) but have kept the debian.atomcam.com name.
> 
> My networking-totally-ignorant question is: can I just "take" this name
> like this and assign it to my machine and "expect" things to
> work? Telnetting out (and *in* from outside when I use numeric IP) works
> fine, as do surfing, etc. But I have been trying to set up email -- I
> supposedly have a POP account with warped, for one -- and having no luck.

Hi Glenn!

What needs to happen for this to work, is that you need to have the 'A'
record for 'debian.atomcam.com' pointed to the ip of the machine in
question, in your DNS configs =)  I'm doing the same thing with a new
domain I registered through Dotster (who does user-controlled DNS
hosting for an extra $10/year) - I don't have 'www' defined yet, nor do
I have an 'MX' record (still negotiating the hosting details) - but the
'A' records I set up for my laptop and desktop machine are working
beautifully.

I'd get in contact with whomever does your DNS hosting, and ask them to
add the record for you - it shouldn't be a big deal in most cases.

Then, once you have name resolution, set up sendmail/exim on that
machine to report 'atomcam.com' as the domain, rather than
'localdomain'. (someone posted yesterday with how to do this in exim)

Hopefully this will help!

-b3



Re: domain setup & email/DSL

2001-02-09 Thread b3
Glenn Becker wrote:
> i'm at such a low level with this stuff that i am unclear on what DNS
> hosting 'really is.' :-)  sometimes i don't know how i do anything ...

LOL - it's OK - we were all there once.

Basically a DNS server converts 'machinename.domainname.tld' into an ip
address.  They're basically an intermediary between the computer (that
only wants to deal with ips) and you (who probably finds it easier to
remember www.atomcam.com than an ip address).  Now - someone is hosting
your DNS services for atomcam.com - from the whois database, I get the
following:

[ rest of whois query snipped for brevity ]

 Domain servers in listed order:

   NS1.WARPED.NET   207.126.104.14
   NS2.WARPED.NET   209.249.126.8
   NS3.WARPED.NET   208.62.64.130
   NS4.WARPED.NET   209.249.76.200

So it looks like Warped.net is doing your DNS hosting, as well as the
web hosting you mentioned earlier.  So, they're the ones you'd want to
get in contact with about adding the 'A' record for your new machine =) 
Depending on their policies, they may or may not charge you for this -
you'll have to check with them on that.
 
> and i also find myself wondering about the apache setup i currently have
> running (mostly for the sake of future experimentation - i haven't done
> anything with it yet)... under the setup you describe, would it have a
> non-numeric address for the outside world? it couldn't be www.atomcam.com
> because that's the wife's site!

The short answer is yes.  The long answer is that once your machine has
an 'A' record associated with its ip address, anything that currently
works by ip (like web/ftp/telnet/ssh/etc...) will work with the name
you've given it in the 'A' record (what you tell the machine itself it's
hostname is really doesn't matter, except locally).  So, if you have
them set up an 'A' record for 'debian.atomcam.com', then when you put
http://debian.atomcam.com into your web browser, it should try to
connect to apache on your machine =)  The same goes for other services
like ftp or telnet.
 
> typing in the numeric ip or localhost gets me to the default page fine, of
> course. maybe i need to read up on DNS ... :-S

Not a bad idea - although the documention can get a bit confusing, so be
forewarned =)

-b3

> At 11:07am on Fri, 9 Feb 2001, b3 wrote:
> 
> > What needs to happen for this to work, is that you need to have the 'A'
> > record for 'debian.atomcam.com' pointed to the ip of the machine in
> > question, in your DNS configs =)  I'm doing the same thing with a new
> > domain I registered through Dotster (who does user-controlled DNS
> > hosting for an extra $10/year) - I don't have 'www' defined yet, nor do
> > I have an 'MX' record (still negotiating the hosting details) - but the
> > 'A' records I set up for my laptop and desktop machine are working
> > beautifully.
> >
> > I'd get in contact with whomever does your DNS hosting, and ask them to
> > add the record for you - it shouldn't be a big deal in most cases.
> >
> > Then, once you have name resolution, set up sendmail/exim on that
> > machine to report 'atomcam.com' as the domain, rather than
> > 'localdomain'. (someone posted yesterday with how to do this in exim)
> >
> > Hopefully this will help!
> >
> > -b3
> >



Re: apt-get config for woody

2001-02-19 Thread b3
On Mon, Feb 19, 2001 at 03:01:15PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> What do I need to put in sources.list to upgrade to woody?
> Is there an ISO if I am installing from scratch?
> What is the best way to get woody on a new machine?

No ISOs (yet) - probably won't be any until Woody is frozen...

Easiest way (if you've got a good 'net connection) would be to change
'stable' to 'woody' (or 'testing' - they point the same place) in your
/etc/apt/sources.list, then do a apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade to
get everything upgraded.  I've found that the less you have installed, the
better the upgrade works - but that may just be my experience =)

-b3



Re: Push mirror?

2001-02-19 Thread b3

Hmm...Have you considered running an IMAP server on the work machine?  It
seems to me that would solve most of your problems, as you could then
connect in from home, and see the same mailboxes and such.

Works great for me - I run IMAP on a small server (P120,32mb ram) at my
home, and connect from my laptop at home and at work.  No matter where I am,
the mailboxes are the same =)

-b3

On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 10:17:47AM +1300, Corrin Lakeland wrote:
> I was planning to of synchronise my mail between home and work:
> However this is ugly.  I'd really like any changes to ~/Mail at home or work 
> to automagically appear at home.  Some possible options:





Re: Debian or Linux 7???

2001-02-19 Thread b3

Hi Steve!

The kernel being used isn't really the biggest concern when it comes to
security - the ammount of access you allow the outside world is.

Any distribution would be rock-stable, if it was disconnected entirely from
the network.  For most of us, however, that's not an option. ::grin::

So...there are two main things you can do to limit your chances of getting
"hacked":

1 - stay on top of security updates - Debian makes this REALLY easy, as long
as you have the security update server in your apt sources.list.  It doesn't
hurt to subscribe to a couple security-related mailing lists either =)

2 - learn how to configure your system to be more secure - Chances are you
don't need, or can replace, a lot of the services that you're running.
Close off ports using ipchains, shut down inetd services you don't need, and
replace things like telnet with ssh =)  If you work someplace with a good
sysadmin, schedule some time to sit down with him/her and discuss security -
you'll learn a LOT.

If you follow these 2 steps, you can be assured of a reasonable secure
system, no matter which distribution you choose.  We're a bit biased around
here towards Debian, for a variety of reasons - but you should expect that
from a Debian mailing list ;)  By no means is this an exhaustive summary of
system security, but it's what I live by =)

-b3

On Mon, Feb 19, 2001 at 06:11:55PM -0500, Steve Rudd wrote:
> I am considering joining the debian family, but am a bit concerned about 
> security.
> Just how much more secure is Debian than redhat?



Re: Push mirror?

2001-02-19 Thread b3

I don't have too much experience with different IMAP servers -- haven't had
the need to "shop around" as yet =)

I run imapd, which I installed on my potato box with 'apt-get install imapd'
- right out of the box it worked just fine, no configuration required =)
Considering that I have it running on a p120 with 32 megs of ram, and it's
fairly snappy, I would assume that performance would be pretty good.
(although if there's an alternative that works better, I'd love to hear
about it)

Mutt isn't too tough to set up with IMAP - took me about a half hour to hunt
up the required settings.  I'd imagine most IMAP clients will have a similar
setup - basically instead of /var/spool/mail/username for the spool, you'd
use {your.server.net}INBOX for the spool, and instead of ~/mail or ~/Mail
for the folder path, you'd use {your.server.net}mail

If you have any trouble setting it up, drop me a line.  I don't mind helping
out =)

-b3

On Mon, Feb 19, 2001 at 06:22:02PM -0500, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote:
> On that topic, what IMAP server do you recommend? I'd like to set one up, but
> I'd prefer if it could (1) be fast and (2) work with my regular unix mail
> spool file setup (mbox). I would be willing (and eager) to forgo #2 if somehow
> the new format could notify me when I receive new mail as the standard mbox
> format does.
> 
> On Mon, Feb 19, 2001 at 05:57:25PM -0500, b3 wrote:
> > 
> > Hmm...Have you considered running an IMAP server on the work machine?  It
> > seems to me that would solve most of your problems, as you could then
> > connect in from home, and see the same mailboxes and such.
> > 
> > On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 10:17:47AM +1300, Corrin Lakeland wrote:
> > > I was planning to of synchronise my mail between home and work:
> > > However this is ugly.  I'd really like any changes to ~/Mail at home or 
> > > work 
> > > to automagically appear at home.  Some possible options:



Re: Push mirror?

2001-02-19 Thread b3
On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 12:38:17PM +1300, Corrin Lakeland wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:57, b3 wrote:
> > Hmm...Have you considered running an IMAP server on the work machine? 
> 
> I considered this, but evolution is the only imap aware client I know, and 
> while it is in debian, it isn't exactly what I would call stable.

Hmm...I use Mutt myself (which is in stable, I think) and it works fine.
Netscape 4 has IMAP support in its mail client, as does Mozilla. Both have
worked well for me in the past (I switched to Mutt for simplicity and the
ability to run on a terminal =) ) Pine is another popular choice, but I
haven't gotten it to compile under Debian yet (gives weird errors...)

I've played around with evolution, and I like it, but it's definitely not
ready fo primetime just yet.

Everyone has a favorite mailer, and most have SOME support for IMAP --
sometimes it's just hidden =)

-b3




Re: Woody and Netscape Communicator

2001-02-21 Thread b3
On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 09:30:10AM -0500, Matt Grant wrote:
> My load meter seems to be pegged.I click Netscape and nothing happens. When I 
> run Top to see whats taking up my Cpu I see communicator maybe 3 times.
> when I kill the one thats been running the longest the netscape I just 
> clicked opens up.

This has happened to me occasionally under various linux distros(Redhat,
Debian, Slack...) for years.  I believe it's a flaw with Netscape itself,
rather than with a specific distro/package.  When it happens, just kill off
the runaway process andeverything comes back to normal =)

Annoying, but Konqueror and Mozilla are getting REALLY close to replacing
Netscape for just about everything.

-b3



courier-imap package broken?

2001-02-25 Thread b3
Not *quite* sure if this is a buglet or not...figured I'd run it by you guys
first before I file a big report on it.

Tracking unstable/woody (mostly unstable ;) ) I get the following when
attempting to install courier-imap:

---
# apt-get install courier-imap
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
 
Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
that package should be filed.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:
  
Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
courier-imap: Depends: libssl095a but it is not installable
E: Sorry, broken packages
---

A little poking involving libssl produces this:

---
# apt-get -s install libssl
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Package libssl has no available version, but exists in the database.
This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and
never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents
of sources.list
However the following packages replace it:
  libssl096 libssl09

# apt-get install libssl096
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Sorry, libssl096 is already the newest version.
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 10  not upgraded.

# dpkg -s libssl096
Package: libssl096
Status: install ok installed
Priority: optional
Section: non-us/main
Installed-Size: 1012
Maintainer: Christoph Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Source: openssl
Version: 0.9.6-1
Replaces: libssl, libssl09
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.1.2)
Conflicts: ssleay (<< 0.9.2b), libssl
Description: SSL shared libraries
 This package contains Eric Young's ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) implementation
 of SSL and supporting libraries.
 .
 It's the base for SSLtelnet, SSLftp and Apache-SSL.

# apt-get install libssl09
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Sorry, libssl09 is already the newest version.
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 10  not upgraded.

# dpkg -s libssl09
Package: libssl09
Status: install ok installed
Priority: optional
Section: non-us/main
Installed-Size: 865
Maintainer: Christoph Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Source: openssl
Version: 0.9.4-5
Replaces: libssl
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.1.2)
Conflicts: ssleay (<< 0.9.2b), libssl
Description: SSL shared libraries
 This package contains Eric Young's ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) implementation
 of SSL and supporting libraries.
 .
 It's the base for SSLtelnet, SSLftp and Apache-SSL.

---

Any ideas?

-b3



Re: Mozilla instability - followup

2001-02-25 Thread b3

Hi Glenn!

You might want to check in the menu config files for your various
windowmanagers and see if they are passing some kind of strange arguments to
Mozilla that you may not have been passing on the command line. (some
windowmanagers seem to have some REALLY strange ideas about passing
arguments to certain programs...)

I believe the default menus for Debian are in /etc/menu/ (various files from
there - they're fairly easy to understand, IIRC)

If no weird arguments are being passed, there may be an enviroment variable
issue, although I'm not exactly sure which ones Mozilla cares about.

What build of Mozilla are you using?  You might consider switching to the
nightlies, if your'e still running .8 -- they seem MUCH faster and a bit
more stable on my system (YMMV, of course ;) )

The nightly builds can be obtained through:

http://www.mozillazine.org (fetchbuilds link on the right)

or, more simply by ftp:

ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/latest/

-b3


On Sat, Feb 24, 2001 at 10:46:22PM -0500, Glenn Becker wrote:
> 
> I thought it might be a good idea to see if I could get an error output
> for this problem, so tried firing up Mozilla from the command line - to my
> surprise, the browser worked fine when invoked this way! I could enter
> addresses in the location bar without the browser crashing on
> me.
> 
> However, the problem re-appeared when I opened Mozilla with wmaker or
> blackbox menus. So: there is a way to avoid the problem, but I'd still
> like to know *why* this happens and if there is a way to fix it. It's in
> the mildly-annoying-but-why-does-it-happen camp.

> > Whenever I try to interact with Mozilla at all, whether it's entering a
> > new address in the location field or filling out a form, doing so blows
> > the app away. It just disappears. I attempt to put the cursor in the
> > location field, hit backspace and the whole thing goes away.



Re: X-WINDOW-MANAGER

2001-03-04 Thread b3

Generally, I just create a .xsession file in my home directory to start
whichever windowmanager I want.  You basically just exec [wm command], like
this:

exec wmaker   # (for WindowMaker)

- or -

exec blackbox # (for Blackbox)

- or -

exec startkde # (for KDE)

etc...

You can also setup startup programs in .xsession - just put them before the
exec line.  This is handy for starting dockapps and such under
wmaker/blackbox.

I admit, I haven't played around much with the update-alternatives command -
haven't had much need, as the above works well for me =)  Switching window
managers is as easy as editing the exec line to point at the new one.
Perhaps someone more familiar with update-alternatives could comment on the
lockup issue?

IIRC, .bashrc is executed by non-login shells, and .bash_profile is executed
by login shells (confirmation anyone?) -- is it possible that you're
starting a login shell (and this executing .bash_profile, and ignoring
.bashrc)?  I believe some other distros actually do a check in .bash_profile
for the existance of .bashrc, and execute it if it's found.  Just checked my
.bash_profile - no such command there - so I don't think debian does that
(I'm a relatively new (2 months) convert to debian, so I'm still getting my
sealegs ;) )

Hopefully this helps =)

-b3

On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 08:09:40AM -0800, D. Hoyem wrote:
> I had previously ask how to get Black Box as my window
> manager and was filled with more information than I
> expected and was able to change from ICEWM-GNOME to
> Black Box... everything was good.  Well the kid came
> out in me and was wondering what the other window
> managers looked like, ie AfterStep, WMmaker. etc so I
> exited as user and logged in as root, did a
> update-alternatives --config x-window-manager and
> selected WMmanager.  Typed startx and the WMmanger
> opened up, but my system was froze, ctrl-alt(F1, F2,
> F3), alt (F1, F2, F3 etc), ctrl alt Backspace, ctrl
> alt (+) or (-), or ctrl alt del did nothing this thing
> was froze, and this happens a lot...all I can do is
> turn off the power and restart it. I again did a
> startx as root and was froze again, on the next
> restart I logged in as user and was froze.  On the
> next go around I logged in as root did the update
> -alternatives --config x-window-manager and selected
> IECWM-GNOME and everything was ok. I am able to change
> the window manager from the ICEWM menu it will go to
> the window manager that I select, but, if memory
> serves me correctly, when I shutdown and do a restart
> I'm froze again. I have maybe 6 different window
> managers on this system.  I don't know if this is
> related but I have edited the user ~/.bashrc so that
> it will ask for verifiction when I mv, cp or delete
> and it is not functioning either.  Should I delete all
> of the window managers except the one that I want to
> use ie Black Box or what... any and all help is a
> appreciated and a education.



Re: dist upgrade

2001-03-04 Thread b3
On Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 03:41:34PM -0800, Raphael Crawford-Marks wrote:
> could someone give me or point me to step-by-step instructions on how to do
> a dist upgrade (potato to woody)?

(as root)

1) edit /etc/apt/sources.list, replacing "stable" with "testing" ("woody"
   will work for most mirrors too)

2) apt-get update (updates the package lists)

3) cross fingers (optional, but it seems to help ;) )

4) apt-get dist-upgrade (performs the upgrade)

The biggest gotcha seems to be with X - if you have a laptop or other
non-standard video card - be prepared to do some tweaking to get Xfree 4 up
and running (it's generally not too tough - running xf86config generally
does wonders as long as you know your hardware well).

-b3



Re: konqueror problem

2001-03-05 Thread b3

I had this problem as well, until either last night's update, or the night
before (not sure which) - it seems to be working fine (at least for me) now.

(tracking unstable/sid that is...not sure about potato packages)

-b3

On Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 10:43:15AM -0800, Brian Murphy wrote:
> testing it out) the browser will "hang" on a site.  For example...I went to
> slashdot and then tried to go to kde.org.  Slashdot came up fine, but when
> you type in kde.org, the screen blanks out briefly like it is changing to
> the new site, but then slashdot just comes back up.  HAND ...
> kde.org would be up in the address line...weird.  The only way to get out of
> this little cycle is to kill Konquerer and restart it.  Then it works



Re: Installing Debian

2001-03-07 Thread b3

> Well first of all IMHO most of the defaults make sense.
> The problem here is you trade off power for ease of use. And I

Exactly - the more you "simplify", the more choice you lose.

> have yet to see a really good way around this. Maybe the best
> way would be to make "levels" of install like RH has. Novice-Deity

Definitely - give newbies an installer with some bells and whistles,
that does some automated choosing, but keeps the ability to go to a
higher-level if necessary - as well as get the documentation to
understand the advanced settings.

> or something like that but I can see how that would be hard to 
> maintain. In short I think the best thing to do is to continue to
> work on FAQs etc. To help people with coming up with something

I think the most important thing is to have comprehensive, relevant
docs in the installer itself, as well as available afterwards.  Having
an easily-accessible, comprehensive help system is nearly as good for
a newbie installer as a "smart" installer that makes all the decisions
for you.

The key there is "easily accessible" -- remember one of the key things
is to teach the newbie user HOW to RTFM, and WHY they should.  If
good, relevant documentation is available at the newbie's fingertips,
there's no excuse for them not to use it. Then, it's just a matter of
GETTING them to use it.

> that will work. Maybe something along the lines of a list of nice
> reasonable options, what they mean and other places to look for
> them. Really now that you can do the simple option on a install
> the rest of it is just knowing what to do. I think I just found
> a project thanks.

Something like...

Advanced - "I already know what to do, and how to do it, just let me
at the configs."

(allows you to directly edit a config file)

Intermediate - "I know the configs, just show me where to put them."

(menu-based forms for various config options - explain which settings
are going into which configuration files, etc...)

Novice - "I'm entirely confusled by this - give me some help!"

(attempt to autodetect where possible - where impossible, do some
handholding - and always explain exactly WHAT is going on, and WHY)

At any of these categories, you should be able to switch to any other,
as well as access any relevant manpages/howtos.

At least that's how I envision an installer "done right". =)

OK - I've ranted long enough.  Back to work...

-b3



Re: Little advice for AA

2001-03-11 Thread b3

Same issue here...opening any QT app (in my case licq - not running
KDE 2.1 yet ;) ) produces:

Xlib:  extension "RENDER" missing on display ":0.0"

No AA. =( In all other respects, the app works fine.  It just seems
that the unstable QT app packages are built to support RENDER, but
somehow the ati driver in unstable either hasn't caught up, or we're
missing something...

My info:

- tracking unstable, updated every 48-72 hrs
- XFree86 4.0.2
- ati driver (rage mobility 8mb): (from /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/)

-rwxr-xr-x1 root root38636 Feb 22 00:09 ati_drv.o

- /usr/X11R6/lib/libXrender.a is present:

-rw-r--r--1 root root17006 Feb 22 00:13 libXrender.a

Now...should there be a corresponding extension in
/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions? Is there a non-standard package
that needs to be installed for all the pieces to work correctly
together? (I've already tried the basics...freetype2, freetype2-dev,
upgrading qt (I think it's at 2.3 or something in unstable now...),
etc... no dice.)

-b3

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 06:59:57PM +0100, William Leese wrote:
> to add to this. I'm also using the ati driver on X4.02, unstable. AA doesnt 
> work on this comp either however i think that has something to do with the 
> fact that X cant find the RENDER extension. i get the warning
> 
> Xlib:  extension "RENDER" missing on display ":0.0"
> 
> when i open a QT app.








Re: apt-get question

2001-03-11 Thread b3
On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 02:45:06PM -0700, Eric Richardson wrote:
> 1. Does the order matter? Will it look to cd first if the cd entry is
> first in the file and then online second?

I'm not entirely sure if order matters or not - I generally only keep
the cdrom entries in there until I have the network working, then I
comment 'em out, and let apt grab what it needs over the
network. (That way I only need my install cds around for the base
installation =) )

> 2. My setup says potato but should it say stable? Does this have the
> consequence that if testing becomes stable I would get an upgrade? With
> potato in the file will no upgrade occur?

Correct - if you track by distribution name (slink, potato, woody,
sid, etc...) you'll stay with that particular distribution.  If you
track by the meta-name (for lack of a better term ;) ) (stable,
testing, unstable) you'll get the upgrade to the next step up when
they switch. (IE: if you use "potato" you'll always get "potato"
packages, but if you use "stable", then when woody becomes stable,
you'll get upgraded to woody.)

> 3. I want the security updates so is the default entry fine?

Yep - AFAIK that's the only place to get 'em. =)

> 4. I should be at version 2.2r2 as I did an update from r0. Should the
> kernel be 2.2.18 as it seems this is in the proposed changes or should I
> stick with 2.2.17?

Hmm...IIRC, potato installed (for me) with a 2.2.18-pre kernel - I've
since upgraded my server box (basic potato with some stuff from woody
and unstable as necessary) to 2.2.18 final, and my laptop (tracking
unstable) to a combination of 2.2.18 final (everything works) and
2.4.2 (still working on sound and irda).  No problems, although I
still haven't done things the "debian way", instead preferring to
install the new kernel myself =) Haven't run into any issues, and it
taught me a LOT about the hardware in the 2 machines.
 
> I know these questions are basic but thanks for the help.

Hey - we're all newbies at some point =)

-b3



Re: Several questions

2001-03-13 Thread b3
On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 12:47:59AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> How do I install KDE (if it?s a good idea to do so)?

If you're tracking unstable, the commands are:

apt-get update
apt-get install task-kde

This *should* install KDE 2.1, which is, IMHO, rather slick.

> Is there any command I can use to know which C compilers I have 
> installed?

Hmm...Since I don't do much work with C, I'm not familiar with the
intricacies of the various compilers.  I do know that gcc and egcs are
popular options in that area though - perhaps a:

dpkg -s gcc

or

dpkg -s egcs

would give you the information you're looking for (if you're looking
for info about the compiler(s) themselves...to see if either is
installed, you could always try a:

dpkg -l | grep gcc

or

dpkg -l | grep egcs

To see if they're present =)

-b3



Re: Several questions

2001-03-13 Thread b3

I'm not sure - I don't have a stock potato box here to test it out on.

If you want to test it yourself:

apt-get -s install task-kde

should tell you if the task-kde package is available under potato, as
well as the additional packages it will install =) The -s option tells
apt not to actually install anything.  It's great for test-runs.

-b3

On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 08:48:14AM -0700, Mike Millner wrote:
> Will the packages you mentioned below for kde 2.1 install on potato without
> any problem?
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike
> - Original Message -
> From: "b3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 7:52 AM
> Subject: Re: Several questions
> 
> 
> > On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 12:47:59AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > > How do I install KDE (if it?s a good idea to do so)?
> >
> > If you're tracking unstable, the commands are:
> >
> > apt-get update
> > apt-get install task-kde
> >
> > This *should* install KDE 2.1, which is, IMHO, rather slick.
> >
> > > Is there any command I can use to know which C compilers I have
> > > installed?
> >
> > Hmm...Since I don't do much work with C, I'm not familiar with the
> > intricacies of the various compilers.  I do know that gcc and egcs are
> > popular options in that area though - perhaps a:
> >
> > dpkg -s gcc
> >
> > or
> >
> > dpkg -s egcs
> >
> > would give you the information you're looking for (if you're looking
> > for info about the compiler(s) themselves...to see if either is
> > installed, you could always try a:
> >
> > dpkg -l | grep gcc
> >
> > or
> >
> > dpkg -l | grep egcs
> >
> > To see if they're present =)
> >
> > -b3
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Re: No startx or xinit in sid?

2001-03-14 Thread b3
>   I tried changing from woody to unstable and it seems to have
>   removed xfree86setup and there is no startx or xinit? How do I
>   proceed from here? Where does the documentation for this reside?

Hmm...just a hunch...

apt-get install xinit

=) I remember having to do this was well, but in my case it was a case
of not having installed X at all until after I'd made the jump to sid.
Somehow, xinit missed out on the initial apt-getting of XFree 4.0.2
(probably my own fault).

I could be wrong, and it could be an entirely different issue in your
case though =)

-b3



Re: NIC identification

2001-03-17 Thread b3
On Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 12:52:54PM -0500, Hall Stevenson wrote:
> > I've got a Dell box I'm installing debian on with an intergrated
> > NIC on the motherboard.
> 
> The NIC is likely a PCI device even when it's integrated into the MB.
> So, try "cat /proc/pci" and look for an "ethernet controller" line. It
> will probably give you the chipset it uses which is usually a pretty
> good starting point.

(just to add a bit) If it doesn't tell you the exact chipset, it may
give you a vendor and model ID - there's a good chance you can figure
out the chipset from this.  Just do a search on Google for:

vendor  model  ethernet

This has helped me identify many a piece of otherwise unidentifiable
hardware =)

-b3



Re: pb ethernet

2001-04-10 Thread b3
On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:33:55PM +0200, Govaere Jan wrote:
> I try an debian install in expert mode but i don't know how to confogure the
> ethernet card. It's a compaq. Before, i was working on a Mandrake and all
> was automatic !

1) What brand/model is the card?
   If you're not sure, the following might help:
   - If you're also running Windows, what does it identify the card as?
   - running lspci *may* shed some insight if all else fails

2) Is it detected at startup?
   - 'dmesg | grep eth0' will probably tell you if it is.

3) (if it *IS* detected at startup) What does /sbin/ifconfig say about the
card?

4) What kind of network are you on?  (Cable modem, DSL, LAN, etc...
Basically we need to know what protocol you use to get your network configs
(dhcp, bootp, etc...) or if you have a static config)

Basically, if the card isn't detected at startup, it means that you'll need
to search out drivers for it, or possibly recompile the kernel.

If it is detected at startup, and it shows up in ifconfig, it's just a
matter of getting your network settings in there.  /etc/network/interfaces
is your friend =)  The type of network you're on will determine what
settings you need to put in there.

-b3



Re: Fw: su in X

2001-04-13 Thread b3
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 03:09:35AM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote:

> X11 apps should not be run as root, if it requires that its broken.  

I'd have to agree here - my one exception is Mozilla, which requires one run
as root before it'll work for normal users (dunno why - it's annoying, but
it's how it's been for a VERY long time now)

-b3





Re: Installed X4 and Nvidia Kernel, help getting a window scheme like wmaker setup

2001-04-13 Thread b3

My solution would be to create a ~/.xsession file, and put in the line:

exec wmaker

...then restart X and see what you get.  AFAIK, .xinitrc only works when
you're starting x from the console (IE: 'startx'), whereas xdm/kdm/gdm use
.xsession (actually, .xsession works for me from 'startx' as well...)

-b3

On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 01:49:40PM +0100, Wayne Brown wrote:
> Hi, 
> I have installed Debian 2.2.r2 ok. I have a Geforce II Card so had to
> install X4 and the Nvidia Kernel modules. X4 was installed using the
> Xinstall script, on top of my existing 3.3 installation. 
> Created a XF86config file ok, this works fine. When I boot up, I get a
> graphical login box (plain white) on a grey background. I log in and get a
> grey screen with a small white terminal window top left with a prompt. You
> cant move the window. 
> I can start say wmaker by typing this at the prompt and it starts up fine
> but I cant get it to boot into wmaker automatically ( or anything else for
> that matter).
> Someone suggested checking I my .xinitrc file in my home directory. There
> isnt one probably because its never run before. And there is no default
> xinitrc in any other directorys. 
> I created a file called xinitrc with a line:
> exec wmaker
> 
> and put this in my home directory and rebooted and it didnt work.
> 
> XDM starts up ok, but I am confused as to where files should now be stored.
> It seems I have files under /etc/X11/ and /usr/X11R86/ . 
> Please Help!
> 
> TIA
> 
> Wayne.
> 
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Re: water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink.

2001-04-17 Thread b3
On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 04:51:32PM -0400, David Raleigh Arnold wrote:
> The mouse is a big deal with any editor. Emacs and Xemacs fail utterly
> to take full
> advantage of the mouse, or even of the pc101 keyboard. They don't even
> use the delete key in a sane manner.

I agree - although from a pure usability perspective, an editor *should* be
workable without the mouse at all.  By definition, while using an editor,
your hands will naturally be on the keyboard.  Having to move your hand from
the keyboard to the mouse should be unnecessary to accomplish any given
task.  However, if someone wants to use the mouse for something, I don't
think that should be denied - as long as a keyboard-based alternative exists.

> Sorry to have upset you. Scrollbars belong on the left. ;-)

How so?  I'm interested in hearing the usability basis for this.  Not that I
disagree - but it seems more "natural" for me to have a scrollbar on the
right-hand side of the window.  I do recognize, however, that many "older"
*nix apps (emacs, xterm, etc...) default to having the scrollbar on the
left.  I'm just curious as to the reasons behind it =)

-b3



Re: To sid or not to sid?

2001-04-18 Thread b3

I've done it a number of times on various machines without any major issues.
The biggest things are XFree86 changing versions, and the fact that any
given day, at any given time, some of the packages *may* be broken (hence:
unstable ;) ) Suprisingly (at least to me) unstable seems to be MORE stable
at any given time than testing, which can drop key packages seemingly at the
drop of a hat (it's a side-effect of how testing works...)

If you're confident that your video card is well supported under XFree86
4.x, and that you can configure it, I say go for it.  Just make sure to stay
on top of what's broken and such (this list helps) before you do a
dist-upgrade (and learn how to submit meaningful bug reports).  If the idea
of upgrading a few packages, only to find out you can't get into X anymore
(or can't dialup, or can't run program xyzzy, or whatever) scares the
bejeezus out of you (and it should!) you may want to consider staying with
stable.

Of course, the bleeding edge is the only way for me =)

-b3

On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 12:22:50PM -0500, Jorge Santos wrote:
> 
> I'm thinking on upgrading my work machine to sid, but I need to get
> *some* work done, so I can't afford too much trouble.  So, has anyone
> upgraded a potato to sid?  Comments?
> 
> jorge santos
> 
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Re: Consoles inaccessible w/ Ctl-Alt-FN

2001-04-23 Thread b3

Jumping in here with a longshot (especially considering I only got 3 hrs
sleep last night - treat this advice accordingly)

With the fact that it "locks" when doing C-M-F1 (and, I'm assuming, for any
other F-key), I wonder if it's a problem with X switching to the framebuffer
(if you're using a fb console...) I know mine takes about a 1/2 second to a 
second to "resync" to the console (Both running @ 1024x768, FB is vesa, X is
4.0.2 ati)

While you're in the "locked" condition, is the terminal active (even though
you can't see anything)? Try logging in blind and touching a file...




touch XYZZY

...then switching back to X (C-M-F7) and seeing if the file is there...

If it is, it's obviously a conflict between X and whatever console you're
using -- if it's a framebuffer, try using the "normal" one (vga=normal in
lilo.conf) and see if that helps.  If you're using the normal one...I dunno.

If you DON'T start X (IE: you don't go through x/k/gdm) can you switch
terminals?  If not, I don't think it's GNOME...might start looking into the
console-* packages to see if there's anything amiss.

-b3

On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 09:01:34AM +0100, Etienne Grossmann wrote:
>   According to 'xev', my 'alt' is 'Alt_L', which I would say is
> ok. The left 'Windows' is 'Select' and the right one is
> 'Mode_switch'. Neither C-Left_Windows-F1 nor C-Right_Windows-F1
> changes to console.
> 
>   I forgot to say that when I do C-M-F1, the terminal "freezes" : the
> mouse and keyboard have no apparent effect, except that C-M-F7
> restores control over the terminal.
> 
>   I guess I'll try to install the usual gnome. The problem is that apt
> only sees the helix packages. I'll see if removing the 'extra' cd from
> the sources.list does the trick. 



Re: Mail client

2001-04-24 Thread b3

I have to second this.  mutt is OUTSTANDING.  It does have a small learning
curve, however, so be forewarned.  If you need any help setting it up, there
are PLENTY of mutt users on this list (including myself) who would be
willing to help.

-b3

On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 08:28:25AM -0600, ray p wrote:
> The same mail client I use everywhere mutt or course.
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 03:50:08PM +0200, Ales Jerman wrote:
> > Which X Mail clent to use under FVWM2?
> > Thanks!
> > Bye,
> > 
> > 
> > Ale?
> > 
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Re: Selective mail download (was Re: Mail client)

2001-04-24 Thread b3

Truthfully, I'm not sure - given that I use 2 email systems:

Personal mail: I use fetchmail to pop the mail off the server, and procmail
to filter it into various mailboxes.

Work mail: We have an IMAP server setup - which is (sortof) like doing email
like you would newsgroups - you download a message list, then select which
message to view - that message is then downloaded. You can access the IMAP
server from multiple clients, and always see the same inbox, whether you're
using mutt, netscape, or whatever client you choose.

POP, AFAIK, wasn't really meant to be used on a selective basis (although
you can always tell it not to remove mail from the server) - rather, it was
made to facilitate moving mail between a server and a client (note: i could
be wrong, but that's how I've always perceived it).  IMAP sounds like it
would be better suited to the situation you're in - although I don't know if
it's an option in your case. (some mail servers run both IMAP and POP - some
only one or the other)

If you have IMAP access to your mail, I'd suggest that.  (it seems like the
closest match to what you're looking for) Barring that, you may be able to
set up fetchmail to only download emails under a certain size at home, and
leave everything on the server - so that when you get to work, all the email
would download, including the large ones your home client skipped over.

Of course, it may be possible to do all this with mutt alone (it's extensible
beyond my current understanding ;) ) perhaps someone in a similar setup will
comment.  Otherwise, Google would be a good place to start searching.

-b3


On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 04:31:38PM +0100, Liam Ward wrote:
> Do any of these mail readers allow selective download from a POP 
> server? In other words, I want to view the message headers and choose 
> the ones I wish to download. I access my work mail from home and 
> sometimes get large attachments that I could choose not to download 
> when I'm dialing in from home.
> 
> Pegasus for Win32 (which is free but not open source) does this very 
> nicely but I've switched to Debian at home now.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Liam
> 
> On 24 Apr 2001, at 10:43, b3 wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I have to second this.  mutt is OUTSTANDING.  It does have a small
> > learning curve, however, so be forewarned.  If you need any help
> > setting it up, there are PLENTY of mutt users on this list (including
> > myself) who would be willing to help.
> > 
> > -b3
> > 
> > On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 08:28:25AM -0600, ray p wrote:
> > > The same mail client I use everywhere mutt or course.
> > > On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 03:50:08PM +0200, Ales Jerman wrote:
> > > > Which X Mail clent to use under FVWM2?
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > Bye,
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Ale?
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Re: The Perfect Debian / Personal Computer

2001-04-24 Thread b3
> So far, it seems that everyone has suggested avoiding internal modems
> and getting an external one. Why ?? If someone is capable of building
> their own PC, I'd hope they're also capable of reading the requirements
> of a modem they purchase. I've used two or three different *internal*
> modems with Linux with no problems. There are plenty out there that will
> work just fine.

Speaking from personal experience, I find having a set of modem lights a
godsend when trying to troubleshoot modem problems.  There *are* programs
which can emulate them for internal modems, but it's much easier to just
HAVE the lights right there on the modem.

External modems have the best chance of NOT being a winmodem (I haven't seen
an external winmodem - do any exist?) - so a new buyer might be less likely
to come home with a winmodem than if they went to CompUSA/BestBuy/wherever
looking for an internal modem (I've noticed employees at these places are
typically VERY clueless, and even had it suggested to me that a winmodem was
"better" than a hardware modem because "it's made for Windows" (this after
I'd already asked the guy about linux compatibility, just to see what his
response would be ;P ).

I used to do phone support for a dial-up ISP, so I can tell you with
certainty that the problems people had with external modems were MUCH easier
to troubleshoot than internal ones. (If only for the fact that we could ask
"What kind of modem is it?" and get a MEANINGFUL response, rather than "It's
in my computer", and the afore-mentioned diagnostic lights =) )

Internal modems can work well - especially if you know what you're doing.
They can also be a pain in the arse, like most anything, if they don't work
right.  BUT I will grant you that an internal modem would generally be
cheaper than a comparable external modem. I, too, have a couple old USR
internal modems (pre-winmodem days) that can still work quite well.  That
doesn't mean that were I to buy a modem today that I would buy an internal...

With broadband connections becoming more popular, however, I see the modem
thing becoming less and less of an issue.

Just my 2 cents =)

-b3



Re: cron: nth of month?

2001-04-27 Thread b3
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 07:19:11PM -0500, will trillich wrote:
> what if we propose something like
> 
>   #min hr monthday month weekday cmd
>  0  1 1  1  *echo Jan 1 1:00am
>   #and for the new concepts, which could use tweaking:
>  0  1-1  *  *echo last-of-every-month, 1:00am
>  0  1 *  *   mon-fri echo mon,tue,wed,thu,fri at 1:00am
>  0  1 *  *wed1   echo first wednesday each month, 1am
>  0  4 *  *sun-1  echo last wednesday each month, 4am

I'm with you up to the last one...shouldn't 'sun-1' refer to the last
*sunday* of a month?  Otherwise I'm unsure as to the logic of having 'wed1'
refer to the first wednesday, but 'sun-1' refer to the last
wednesday...maybe I'm missing something?

Of course, it's entirely possible this is just a typo, in which case, all is
right with the world ;)

-b3



Re: make xfs serve windows true type fonts?

2001-04-28 Thread b3
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 11:31:26AM +0800, Eric Boo wrote:
> What's the difference between adding the path to xfs-xtt's config and
> adding it to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4?

Adding to xfs-xtt's config tells xfs-xtt about them.

Adding to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 tells Xfree4 about them.

> Does running xfs-xtt give a better look?

I tried getting xfs-xtt up and running a while ago, without much success. It
seemed (to me at least) that it didnt want to "play nice" with XFree4.
Solved the problem by removing it entirely and letting xfs (the XFree4 font
server) handle the truetype fonts.  Works like a charm.  

The font output isn't too bad, but it looks REALLY nice under KDE 2.1.1 on
my work machine (TNT2 vidcard, nv driver), although antialiasing slows X
down quite a bit. On my laptop (ATI vidcard, ati driver) I can't get KDE's
antialiasing to work at all - looks like the ati driver doesn't have AA
support just yet.

-b3



Re: Sawfish debs for potato

2001-05-14 Thread b3
On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 05:43:12PM +0200, Henrik Enberg wrote:
> 
> Anyone know where to find a fairly modern version of sawfish for Potato?  I
> don't have the bandwidth to download Ximiam Gnome (and I don't want it).

Hmm...I'm running unstable here - there are 2 different sawfish
packages - sawfish, and sawfish-gnome.

I would assume that you could set your deb-src entry in sources.list
to point at unstable, download and build the source deb on your potato
machine with something similar to:

apt-get --build source sawfish

...and then dpkg -i the resulting deb file.  You may need to fetch
some dependencies (I'm not sure what you'd need - I believe there's a
build-deps argument you can give to apt, but I'm unsure of it off the
top of my head) but in theory it should work.

-b3



Re: Console: weird scrolling

2001-05-15 Thread b3
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 09:43:17PM -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:
> Quoting Bill Spears([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > In console mode, scrolling leaves the top 4 or 5 lines unmoved.  This
> > has happened twice now, both times while I was using 'man', ctr-z, doing
> > some stuff, 'fg', ctrl-z, etc.  Does this mean anything to anybody?
> > (Going to X and back fixes it)
> > 
> > Just noticed that at the first login after the boot there is a Penguin
> > occupying approx. the same vertical space and that the same partial
> > scrolling takes place!
> 
> To stop it from doing that, switch to console 2, and back again.  BTW
> it only happens on tty1.

It seems to be a framebuffer thing - starting with vga=normal doesn't
set it off, but vga=791 does.  (using the vesa framebuffer on an ATI
Rage Mobility with kernel 2.4.4).

Switching VTs, starting X, or 'reset'ing the terminal all seem to fix
the problem.  A simple 'clear' doesn't seem to do the trick.

It would be nice if there was an option to disable that graphic
entirely, or replace it with a user-defined pixmap...

-b3

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Re: Karsten's browser reviews (updated)

2001-05-15 Thread b3
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 04:07:42PM +1000, Craig Holyoak wrote:
> Where did you get your .deb's from? The links on the website seem to be
> dead!

Just picked up the Galeon/Mozilla/various libs/kitchen sink package
from a combination of:

deb http://www.markybob.com/mozilla/deb/ ./

and debian unstable.  I have to admit, Galeon *IS* slick.  I'd tried
it a while back, and it was still a bit unstable for my taste.  Now,
I'm happy to say that it may actually be competing with Konqueror for
"preferred browser" status.  I *love* the tabs (although I can do very
similar things through pwm).  Damn fine piece of work.

-b3

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Re: PHP

2001-05-16 Thread b3

Very odd.  Did you install apache/php/mysql from source, or from debs?

IIRC, when installing the debs (at least in unstable) it asks to run
apacheconf to set things up.  I do remember having to go in and
manually set the mime-type config for .php files, however.  I don't
recall having to touch the Add/LoadModule lines (although it'd be a
good idea to check)

Here's the general set of debs I have apt install:

apache php4 php4-dev php4-imap php4-gd php4-mysql mysql-server
libapache-mod-perl libapache-dbi-perl libdbi-perl libdbd-mysql-perl

I think that's everything - if you don't want mod_perl, you can leave
out the last four pretty safely.

-b3

On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 05:09:21PM +0800, Keneth wrote:
> The line has been added! and I feel that there is something wrong with the
> httpd.conf. I added manually below code by myself, but doesnt seem to load
> the php modules
> 
> AddModule php4_module mod_php4.c
> LoadModule php4_module /usr/local/apache/modules/libphp4.so
> 
> Besides I coudlnt find libphp.so after following the install guide come with
> the PHP-4.0.5 too.
> 
> I am using Apache_1.3.19 and mysql.
> 
> Could you help?
> From: "Kevin Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Keneth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 5:03 PM
> Subject: Re: PHP
> 
> 
> > > Please help, my apache only load the content of a php instead of runnnig
> > it.
> >
> > Make sure you have a line in your httpd.conf file which reads:
> >
> > AddType application/x-httpd-php .php
> >
> > or, for PHP3:
> >
> > AddType application/x-httpd-php .php3
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> 
> 

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Re: PHP

2001-05-16 Thread b3
Hi Keneth,

The php3 and php3-mysql packages are for version 3 of php.  The
packages I mentioned are for version 4.  If you want to use version 3,
and NOT version 4, then you have the correct packages.  If you want to
upgrade to php4, install the ones I mentioned.

I'm unfamiliar with the tweaks needed to activate the php3 packages,
as I haven't installed them myself.  I know the php4 packages pretty
well, though =)

There are basically 2 things you should have to do, to make sure that
your apache install recognizes your version of php.

The first is to make sure you're loading the php modules.  In
httpd.conf, look for a line resembling the following:

LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so

(this is the php4 module - yours might be libphp3.so or libphp.so)

Make sure it's uncommented.

Next, look for the following section:

# For example, the PHP 3.x module (not part of the Apache
# distribution - see http://www.php.net) will typically use:
#
#AddType application/x-httpd-php3 .php3
#AddType application/x-httpd-php3-source .phps
#
# And for PHP 4.x, use:
#
AddType application/x-httpd-php .php
AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps

(here I have the php4 entries uncommented, but you can see the php3
ones above it, commented out in my case.  In your case you'll probably
want the php3 ones active, and the php4 ones uncommented.)

After making sure everything is correct, stop apache with:

# /etc/init.d/apache stop

Verify that it's indeed stopped (ps aux | grep apache) and restart
it with:

# /etc/init.d/apache start

Now, in your apache docroot (default on Debian seems to be /var/www)
make a file called phpinfo.php3 (or phpinfo.php if you upgrade to
php4) containing the following:



Save it, then bring it up in a browser with:

http://localhost/phpinfo.php3

If all goes well, you should see the php information page, which can
tell you all sorts of nifty things about your installation.

If all doesn't go well, let us know what happens.

-b3

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 09:39:36AM +0800, Keneth wrote:
> I found that PHP3 and PHP3-MYSQL installed in "DSELECT", should I remove
> them and install the deb you mentioned?
> 
> PIVO
> >
> > Very odd.  Did you install apache/php/mysql from source, or from debs?
> >
> > IIRC, when installing the debs (at least in unstable) it asks to run
> > apacheconf to set things up.  I do remember having to go in and
> > manually set the mime-type config for .php files, however.  I don't
> > recall having to touch the Add/LoadModule lines (although it'd be a
> > good idea to check)
> >
> > Here's the general set of debs I have apt install:
> >
> > apache php4 php4-dev php4-imap php4-gd php4-mysql mysql-server
> > libapache-mod-perl libapache-dbi-perl libdbi-perl libdbd-mysql-perl
> >
> > I think that's everything - if you don't want mod_perl, you can leave
> > out the last four pretty safely.
> >
> > -b3
> >
> > On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 05:09:21PM +0800, Keneth wrote:
> > > The line has been added! and I feel that there is something wrong with
> the
> > > httpd.conf. I added manually below code by myself, but doesnt seem to
> load
> > > the php modules
> > >
> > > AddModule php4_module mod_php4.c
> > > LoadModule php4_module /usr/local/apache/modules/libphp4.so
> > >
> > > Besides I coudlnt find libphp.so after following the install guide come
> with
> > > the PHP-4.0.5 too.
> > >
> > > I am using Apache_1.3.19 and mysql.
> > >
> > > Could you help?
> > > From: "Kevin Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "Keneth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 5:03 PM
> > > Subject: Re: PHP
> > >
> > >
> > > > > Please help, my apache only load the content of a php instead of
> runnnig
> > > > it.
> > > >
> > > > Make sure you have a line in your httpd.conf file which reads:
> > > >
> > > > AddType application/x-httpd-php .php
> > > >
> > > > or, for PHP3:
> > > >
> > > > AddType application/x-httpd-php .php3
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> 

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Re: staroffice package

2001-05-17 Thread b3
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 07:57:37PM +0100, J.A.Serralheiro wrote:
> Hi, is there any staroffice package available from debian?

StarOffice is cost-free commercial software that (AFAIK) isn't
packaged for Debian.  You can download it from Sun, however, and it
does work under Debian.

The install can be a bit tricky - make sure you run the installer
first as root with /net, as this will do a "network install" - then
switch to a normal user and run the installer to get the user stuff
going.

-b3

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