Re: root password of debian live cd?

[Richmond]

Timothy M Butterworth  writes:

> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 2:03 AM hlyg  wrote:
>
>
> On 5/30/23 12:37, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >
> > This seems to have been discussed like eight years ago:
> >
> >    https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2015/05/msg00081.html
> >
> > Perhaps it should go into a FAQ.
> >
> > Cheers
>
>
> Thank tomas!
>
> many packages break because of empty password? some other distro
> have no
> password for live cd, they don't break?
>
> i have tried latest deb11 live cd for i386/gnome, live or Live
> aren't
> correct passwords
>
>
> The Live CD has no root password you have to use sudo. 

Someone here suggested using live-config as a command line parameter in
Grub.

https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=102937

If you are logged in as user you can use:

sudo bash

To get a root command prompt and set the root passwd using

passwd

Re: root password of debian live cd?

[Default User]

On Tue, 2023-05-30 at 00:05 -0400, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 12:02 AM hlyg  wrote:
> > Thank bw! internet search also shows that live is password, but
> > it's not 
> > correct
> > 
> 
> 
> Live is the password you use with sudo as there is no root password
> set. 
> 
> > i have rebooted,
> > 
> > > probably something like this
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_least_privilege
> > > 
> > > .
> > i think they disclaim all responsibilities, they can use empty
> > password, 
> > as some other distro do
> 
> 
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I don't mean to clog up this thread with an unnecessary post, but I
just wanted to note that I (unfortunately) have had to use (as recently
as 2023-05-28): 

debian-live-11.7.0-amd64-gnome+nonfree.iso 

a number of times recently, due to flatpak being a corpulent space hog,
obnoxiously trying very hard to fill up my /var partition (10Gb, as
originally set by the Debian installer).  But that is just a side
issue.  

(Note: this is the Gnome Live image that has the non-free extra
drivers, etc., not the  "standard" Debian Live image.  Perhaps the
standard Debian Live image works differently; I never use it.  And
note, this is Debian 11.7 (Bullseye), Debian 12 (Bookworm) may also act
differently.

I can state that in my experience, unequivocally, it boots into a Gnome
DE without any password needed.  If administrative permission is needed
to do something, "sudo " works, without having to enter any
password.  Example:

sudo apt install timeshift


This post is just a FWIW. Feel free to disregard.

Re: root password of debian live cd?

[Timothy M Butterworth]

On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 2:03 AM hlyg  wrote:

>
> On 5/30/23 12:37, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >
> > This seems to have been discussed like eight years ago:
> >
> >https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2015/05/msg00081.html
> >
> > Perhaps it should go into a FAQ.
> >
> > Cheers
>
>
> Thank tomas!
>
> many packages break because of empty password? some other distro have no
> password for live cd, they don't break?
>
> i have tried latest deb11 live cd for i386/gnome, live or Live aren't
> correct passwords
>

The Live CD has no root password you have to use sudo.


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Re: root password of debian live cd?

[hlyg]

On 5/30/23 12:37, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:


This seems to have been discussed like eight years ago:

   https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2015/05/msg00081.html

Perhaps it should go into a FAQ.

Cheers



Thank tomas!

many packages break because of empty password? some other distro have no 
password for live cd, they don't break?


i have tried latest deb11 live cd for i386/gnome, live or Live aren't 
correct passwords

Re: root password of debian live cd?

[tomas]

On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 07:52:21AM +0800, hlyg wrote:
> debian-live-11.0.0-i386-lxde.iso
> 
> do you know root password of cd above?

the "standard" Debian live user is "user" with password "live"
> 
> why do they create root password of live cd?


This seems to have been discussed like eight years ago:

  https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2015/05/msg00081.html

Perhaps it should go into a FAQ.

Cheers
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Re: root password of debian live cd?

[Timothy M Butterworth]

On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 12:02 AM hlyg  wrote:

> Thank bw! internet search also shows that live is password, but it's not
> correct
>

Live is the password you use with sudo as there is no root password set.

i have rebooted,
>
> > probably something like this
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_least_privilege
> >
> > .
> i think they disclaim all responsibilities, they can use empty password,
> as some other distro do
>


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Re: root password of debian live cd?

[hlyg]

Thank bw! internet search also shows that live is password, but it's not 
correct


i have rebooted,


probably something like this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_least_privilege

.
i think they disclaim all responsibilities, they can use empty password, 
as some other distro do

root password of debian live cd?

[bw]

> do you know root password of cd above?
try sudo -i there usually is no root passwd 

and if it asks try 'live'

> why do they create root password of live cd?

probably something like this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_least_privilege

root password of debian live cd?

[hlyg]

debian-live-11.0.0-i386-lxde.iso

do you know root password of cd above?

why do they create root password of live cd?

Re: Debian Install CD, locks up computer system.

[Felix Miata]

Joe composed on 2021-01-14 17:25 (UTC):

> Windows does not contain any provision for running any
> other operating system but itself.

But, unless something changed very recently, it still retains the ability to 
read
and transfer control to the PBR of an alien partition (i.e. chainload to Grub).

> It is necessary for a new operating system to hijack the boot process,

Strictly speaking, it is not necessary. Practically speaking, it is what usually
happens, same as what Windows does if installed after Linux.

> or at least to amend the BIOS boot list to place itself as highest priority,
> and it will then offer Windows as an option at boot time.
Probably it should in most cases, but don't count on it happening without
intervention.
-- 
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is based on faith, not on science.

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Re: Debian Install CD, locks up computer system.

[Joe]

On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 12:20:44 +0100
Pierre-Elliott Bécue  wrote:

> Le mercredi 13 janvier 2021 à 16:19:40-0500, brian.h...@hotmail.com a
> écrit :
> > I am being run around in circles trying to get assistance.  I am
> > being redirected by individuals and WEB pages having "ALL THE
> > ANSWERS" and not needing to know the facts.
> > 
> > It is clear that I have encountered a serious and destructive
> > problem.
> > 
> > 
> > I have installed the "debian-10.7.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso" to a USB drive
> > connected to a Lenovo T420 which was running Windows 10 Pro.
> > 
> > The system boots to Windows 10 on the C: drive with the option of
> > booting to another device if I press F12 at booting.
> > 
> > I use F12 to boot to the CD Drive, "debian-10.7.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso".
> > I installed as Debian to an attached USB external drive. I used the
> > standard non graphical installer. Installation
> > proceeded fine, I accepted all defaults and did not install any
> > additional software/drivers.  After 'Install System' the installer
> > opened the CD Drive and asked me to reboot.  The "Install Grub"
> > never came up.
> > 
> > I rebooted and got the bios Boot Menu that would come up when I
> > pressed F12 came up without my pressing F12.  The boot device list
> > now has "debian" now added to the top of the boot menu.  None of
> > the items in the list boot their respective devices.
> > 
> > 
> > The Menu Reads:
> > 
> > debian
> > Windows Boot Manager
> > ATA HDD0: WDC WD3200BEKT-08PBMT1
> > USB HDD: FUJISTU MHV2080AH
> > ATAPI CD0: Optiarca DVD RW AD-7710H
> > 
> > item ATA...
> > is my Drive containing the all the Windows 10 system,
> > including the Windows Boot Manager
> > 
> > item USB...
> > is my external drive containing the newly installed Debian
> > 10
> > 
> > item ATAPI...
> > in my CD Drive
> > 
> > 
> > Additional Notes:
> > 
> > I have used the same process to install Debian version 2 through 8
> > to secondary drives.
> > 
> > Nothing in documentation that I have come across indicates that
> > this "new" debian would alter the "bios" boot menu or in anyway
> > effect the Windows 10 operating systems drive.  By right it had no
> > business doing so automatically.
> > 
> > I can see no reason for some-one to believe that this would happen.
> > 
> > This is a very destructive problem.
> > 
> > I am looking at $200.00 cost to have new system installed and the
> > loss of everything on my Windows 10 System.
> > 
> > I am retired on a disability pension.  My background is system
> > logistics. This install has altered the existing bios/Windows 10
> > System without notification.  This directly violates the standards
> > set for Debian installs.

No, an additional operating system *must* 'alter' something or it will
never boot. Windows does not contain any provision for running any
other operating system but itself. It is necessary for a new operating
system to hijack the boot process, or at least to amend the BIOS boot
list to place itself as highest priority, and it will then offer Windows
as an option at boot time.
> > 
> > Please, forward this to anyone that might be able to provide
> > assistance.
> > 
> > I would like help, direction as to how to reinstate the original
> > boot sequence for my computer.

Have you tried the BIOS boot key of your computer? I have a problem
where my computer will not boot to its default BIOS entry, but using
the boot key I can choose to boot to Windows. If that works for you,
it's not the answer, but it's a workaround to get Windows running.

> > 
> > I believe the only party capable of addressing this issue is the
> > team or person that setup the Debian installer for this CD.

That is possibly true, at least if they either are or can talk to the
stretch installer team (see below). 
> > 
> > PS:  This is a new problem and therefore there is no documentation
> > in the historical archives that could possible address this issue.  
> 
> Dear Brian,
> 
> For these matters, the debian-user mailing list is the right place to
> go.
> 
> Indeed, the Community Team is a team which is here to handle
> interactions between members of the Debian Community that go wrong,
> and tries to have the Debian Code of Conduct followed by the members
> of the community in their interactions.
> 
> For convenience, I cc-ed the list here.
> 
> As for your specific matter,

Re: Debian Install CD, locks up computer system.

[Leandro neto]

 

 I am haven the same problem I found a hidden file :0 debian magic cookie. Ruined everything mine
 
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 Le mercredi 13 janvier 2021 à 16:19:40-0500, brian.h...@hotmail.com a écrit : > I am being run around in circles trying to get assistance. I am being > redirected by individuals and WEB pages having "ALL THE ANSWERS" and not > needing to know the facts. > > It is clear that I have encountered a serious and destructive problem. > > > I have installed the "debian-10.7.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso" to a USB drive > connected to a Lenovo T420 which was running Windows 10 Pro. > > The system boots to Windows 10 on the C: drive with the option of booting to > another device if I press F12 at booting. > > I use F12 to boot to the CD Drive, "debian-10.7.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso". > I installed as Debian to an attached USB external drive. I used the standard > non graphical installer. Installation > proceeded fine, I accepted all defaults and did not install any additional > software/drivers. After 'Install System' the installer opened the CD Drive > and asked me to reboot. The "Install Grub" never came up. > > I rebooted and got the bios Boot Menu that would come up when I pressed F12 > came up without my pressing F12. The boot device list now has "debian" now > added to the top of the boot menu. None of the items in the list boot their > respective devices. > > > The Menu Reads: > > debian > Windows Boot Manager > ATA HDD0: WDC WD3200BEKT-08PBMT1 > USB HDD: FUJISTU MHV2080AH > ATAPI CD0: Optiarca DVD RW AD-7710H > > item ATA... > is my Drive containing the all the Windows 10 system, including the Windows > Boot Manager > > item USB... > is my external drive containing the newly installed Debian 10 > > item ATAPI... > in my CD Drive > > > Additional Notes: > > I have used the same process to install Debian version 2 through 8 to > secondary drives. > > Nothing in documentation that I have come across indicates that this "new" > debian would alter the "bios" boot menu or in anyway effect the Windows 10 > operating systems drive. By right it had no business doing so > automatically. > > I can see no reason for some-one to believe that this would happen. > > This is a very destructive problem. > > I am looking at $200.00 cost to have new system installed and the loss of > everything on my Windows 10 System. > > I am retired on a disability pension. My background is system logistics. > This install has altered the existing bios/Windows 10 System without > notification. This directly violates the standards set for Debian installs. > > Please, forward this to anyone that might be able to provide assistance. > > I would like help, direction as to how to reinstate the original boot > sequence for my computer. > > I believe the only party capable of addressing this issue is the team or > person that setup the Debian installer for this CD. > > PS: This is a new problem and therefore there is no documentation in the > historical archives that could possible address this issue. Dear Brian, For these matters, the debian-user mailing list is the right place to go. Indeed, the Community Team is a team which is here to handle interactions between members of the Debian Community that go wrong, and tries to have the Debian Code of Conduct followed by the members of the community in their interactions. For convenience, I cc-ed the list here. As for your specific matter, Windows 10 being an UEFI system, Debian installation has to accomodate for this, and if you used the basic installer, it did indeed attempt to install grub and create the specific entry. Probably something went south there. If you indeed tried to boot "Debian", and it failed, I'd guess it's because, while the grub binary is on the uefi part of your main disk along with the windows bootloader and other potential stuff, the grub configuration is on your external drive which is not yet seen properly when you hit the "debian" entry choice (which is the one you should use, as grub will also allow you to boot windows 10), but it's a wild guess. I'll let some users to chime in, as I admit I'm not the best to help people debug such issues over mail. :/ But I'll keep an eye. Bests, -- Pierre-Elliott Bécue GPG: 9AE0 4D98 6400 E3B6 7528 F493 0D44 2664 1949 74E2 It's far easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them. 
   
  
 

Re: Debian Install CD, locks up computer system.

[Pierre-Elliott Bécue]

Le mercredi 13 janvier 2021 à 16:19:40-0500, brian.h...@hotmail.com a écrit :
> I am being run around in circles trying to get assistance.  I am being
> redirected by individuals and WEB pages having "ALL THE ANSWERS" and not
> needing to know the facts.
> 
> It is clear that I have encountered a serious and destructive problem.
> 
> 
> I have installed the "debian-10.7.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso" to a USB drive
> connected to a Lenovo T420 which was running Windows 10 Pro.
> 
> The system boots to Windows 10 on the C: drive with the option of booting to
> another device if I press F12 at booting.
> 
> I use F12 to boot to the CD Drive, "debian-10.7.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso".
> I installed as Debian to an attached USB external drive. I used the standard
> non graphical installer. Installation
> proceeded fine, I accepted all defaults and did not install any additional
> software/drivers.  After 'Install System' the installer opened the CD Drive
> and asked me to reboot.  The "Install Grub" never came up.
> 
> I rebooted and got the bios Boot Menu that would come up when I pressed F12
> came up without my pressing F12.  The boot device list now has "debian" now
> added to the top of the boot menu.  None of the items in the list boot their
> respective devices.
> 
> 
> The Menu Reads:
> 
>   debian
>   Windows Boot Manager
> ATA HDD0: WDC WD3200BEKT-08PBMT1
>   USB HDD: FUJISTU MHV2080AH
>   ATAPI CD0: Optiarca DVD RW AD-7710H
> 
> item ATA...
>   is my Drive containing the all the Windows 10 system, including the 
> Windows
> Boot Manager
> 
> item USB...
>   is my external drive containing the newly installed Debian 10
> 
> item ATAPI...
>   in my CD Drive
> 
> 
> Additional Notes:
> 
> I have used the same process to install Debian version 2 through 8 to
> secondary drives.
> 
> Nothing in documentation that I have come across indicates that this "new"
> debian would alter the "bios" boot menu or in anyway effect the Windows 10
> operating systems drive.  By right it had no business doing so
> automatically.
> 
> I can see no reason for some-one to believe that this would happen.
> 
> This is a very destructive problem.
> 
> I am looking at $200.00 cost to have new system installed and the loss of
> everything on my Windows 10 System.
> 
> I am retired on a disability pension.  My background is system logistics.
> This install has altered the existing bios/Windows 10 System without
> notification.  This directly violates the standards set for Debian installs.
> 
> Please, forward this to anyone that might be able to provide assistance.
> 
> I would like help, direction as to how to reinstate the original boot
> sequence for my computer.
> 
> I believe the only party capable of addressing this issue is the team or
> person that setup the Debian installer for this CD.
> 
> PS:  This is a new problem and therefore there is no documentation in the
> historical archives that could possible address this issue.

Dear Brian,

For these matters, the debian-user mailing list is the right place to
go.

Indeed, the Community Team is a team which is here to handle
interactions between members of the Debian Community that go wrong, and
tries to have the Debian Code of Conduct followed by the members of the
community in their interactions.

For convenience, I cc-ed the list here.

As for your specific matter, Windows 10 being an UEFI system, Debian
installation has to accomodate for this, and if you used the basic
installer, it did indeed attempt to install grub and create the specific
entry. Probably something went south there.

If you indeed tried to boot "Debian", and it failed, I'd guess it's
because, while the grub binary is on the uefi part of your main disk
along with the windows bootloader and other potential stuff, the grub
configuration is on your external drive which is not yet seen properly
when you hit the "debian" entry choice (which is the one you should use,
as grub will also allow you to boot windows 10), but it's a wild guess.

I'll let some users to chime in, as I admit I'm not the best to help
people debug such issues over mail. :/ But I'll keep an eye.

Bests,

-- 
Pierre-Elliott Bécue
GPG: 9AE0 4D98 6400 E3B6 7528  F493 0D44 2664 1949 74E2
It's far easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.


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Re: Debian Live CD standart

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 19 March 2017 17:27:34 Alex wrote:
> Здравствуйте!
> Скачал Debian Live CD standart записал на флешку программой
> Win32DiskImager. Запускается окно с выбором, выбираю первый вариант,
> после некоторых процессов просит ввести логин и пароль. Что нужно
> вводить? Ранее линуксами не пользовался. Версия 64-битная.

This is the English speaking Debian-User list.  You want:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-russian/

Lisi

Debian Live CD standart

[Alex]

Здравствуйте!
Скачал Debian Live CD standart записал на флешку программой
Win32DiskImager. Запускается окно с выбором, выбираю первый вариант,
после некоторых процессов просит ввести логин и пароль. Что нужно
вводить? Ранее линуксами не пользовался. Версия 64-битная.

Re: Debian live CD does not support intel I217-LM

[Mark Fletcher]

On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 12:12:34PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 09:19:04PM -0400, Noel De Sousa wrote:
> >Will debian live x64 support the I217 Intel network card. Currently it does
> >not and this is keeping a few small businesses, I support from moving to
> >debian.
> 
> Hi Noel,
> 
> I'm surprised it doesn't work - the e1000e driver in Jessie (8.x)
> claims to support the I217. What symptoms are you seeing?
> 
> You might also get better help on the debian-user mailing list. Adding
> a CC there.
> 

It couldn't simply be that it needs firmware from non-free, could it? 
Grab the install image that includes firmware and try that.

Mark

Re: Debian live CD does not support intel I217-LM

[Steve McIntyre]

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 09:19:04PM -0400, Noel De Sousa wrote:
>Will debian live x64 support the I217 Intel network card. Currently it does
>not and this is keeping a few small businesses, I support from moving to
>debian.

Hi Noel,

I'm surprised it doesn't work - the e1000e driver in Jessie (8.x)
claims to support the I217. What symptoms are you seeing?

You might also get better help on the debian-user mailing list. Adding
a CC there.

-- 
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com
You lock the door
And throw away the key
There's someone in my head but it's not me 

Re: Live CD & Debian Testing CD & KDE Built-In Problem

[tomas]

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> kernel source code searching for a driver source code, kernel patch,
> download linux-headers, build tool .

Perhaps module-assistant is for you [1]. It's quite a while since I used it
last time, but as far as I remember it takes care of all those nitty-gritties
and you end up with a ready-to-install .deb

[1] 

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Live CD & Debian Testing CD & KDE Built-In Problem

[Deep Blue]

I can't install Debian 8.2 on my efi bios tablet until now So, i downloaded
debian testing dvd which support efi, New kernel, built-in kde5, almost
perfect !! But it doesn't have live cd :( now i'm looking for the livecd in
the wiki, trying to find a way made it by myself Why not combine testing &
live cd into one dvd ?
or it will be better kde5 + debian testing + live into one cd



and linux hardware compatibility is pain for me :( i just want install wifi
driver in a few click or one commandline, the fact is i have to download
kernel source code searching for a driver source code, kernel patch,
download linux-headers, build tool . and compile it :( if it lucky for
some one like me never compiled driver before, can done it just one night
!!

the worst thing is how can i download kernel source or driversource, build
tool etc without network connection?

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Bob Holtzman]

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 10:02:56PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Monday 23 November 2015 19:03:04 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 09:38:02PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:

  snip...

> > >
> > > Or maybe I just remind you of your Freshman English teacher.  ;-)  (I'm
> > > probably old more than enough.  Though I probably speak the wrong kind of
> > > English.)
> >
> > Unless you're in your 90s, you're not old enough.
> 
> Oh well - I still probably speak the wrong kind of English. ;-)

Fear not, fair maiden. We've been known to make allowances.

-- 

Bob Holtzman
A fair fight is the result of poor planning.

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Lisi Reisz]

On Monday 23 November 2015 19:03:04 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 09:38:02PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Sunday 22 November 2015 20:32:30 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 10:51:00PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > > On Saturday 21 November 2015 22:37:27 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 09:00:36AM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday 20 November 2015 23:23:56 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:10:38PM -0800, Ross Boylan wrote:
> > > > > > > > So the operations are simply setting up an environment for
> > > > > > > > doing the rescue, not overwriting the existing system?  I'm
> > > > > > > > happy to change my expectation if that's the case.Maybe
> > > > > > > > by the end of it there is a more complete system, e.g., with
> > > > > > > > bash.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In the meantime I've downloaded the first CD of the Debian
> > > > > > > > live CD's. Ross
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wanna bet?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think perhaps we should be less subtle (than this and my ??).
> > > > > > Ross, there is only one Live CD.  Well, for different
> > > > > > architectures there is more than one - but it sounds as though
> > > > > > you have downloaded the wrong CD.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gee. Can't a guy have *any* fun anymore?
> > > >
> > > > Well, it felt a little unfair once there were two of us!  I had
> > > > already felt that I had been less than fair.  Sorry. :-(  But come
> > > > on, admit it. We could have been just a tincy* bit more helpful.  ;-)
> > > > Lisi
> > > > * https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/teensy
> > >
> > > Why do I feel like I'm back in Freshman English class?
> >
> > Not you.  When I use slightly obscure English I try to remember that I am
> > on an international list and explain.  I did in fact look up "tincy" to
> > see whether people could look it up for themselves, and even most of the
> > Internet didn't know it.  So I referenced something that explained the
> > meaning in which I had used it - which was not as a girl's name!  I used
> > it in the first place because you would know it.
> >
> > And Ross hadn't given any sign of having understood what either of us was
> > on about.  I thought we would get an ("Oh!  Of course!")
> >
> > Or maybe I just remind you of your Freshman English teacher.  ;-)  (I'm
> > probably old more than enough.  Though I probably speak the wrong kind of
> > English.)
>
> Unless you're in your 90s, you're not old enough.

Oh well - I still probably speak the wrong kind of English. ;-)

Lisi

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Bob Holtzman]

On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 09:38:02PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Sunday 22 November 2015 20:32:30 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 10:51:00PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Saturday 21 November 2015 22:37:27 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 09:00:36AM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > > > On Friday 20 November 2015 23:23:56 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > > > > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:10:38PM -0800, Ross Boylan wrote:
> > > > > > > So the operations are simply setting up an environment for doing
> > > > > > > the rescue, not overwriting the existing system?  I'm happy to
> > > > > > > change my expectation if that's the case.Maybe by the end of
> > > > > > > it there is a more complete system, e.g., with bash.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In the meantime I've downloaded the first CD of the Debian live
> > > > > > > CD's. Ross
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wanna bet?
> > > > >
> > > > > I think perhaps we should be less subtle (than this and my ??). 
> > > > > Ross, there is only one Live CD.  Well, for different architectures
> > > > > there is more than one - but it sounds as though you have downloaded
> > > > > the wrong CD.
> > > >
> > > > Gee. Can't a guy have *any* fun anymore?
> > >
> > > Well, it felt a little unfair once there were two of us!  I had already
> > > felt that I had been less than fair.  Sorry. :-(  But come on, admit it.
> > > We could have been just a tincy* bit more helpful.  ;-)
> > > Lisi
> > > * https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/teensy
> >
> > Why do I feel like I'm back in Freshman English class?
> 
> Not you.  When I use slightly obscure English I try to remember that I am on 
> an international list and explain.  I did in fact look up "tincy" to see 
> whether people could look it up for themselves, and even most of the Internet 
> didn't know it.  So I referenced something that explained the meaning in 
> which I had used it - which was not as a girl's name!  I used it in the first 
> place because you would know it.
> 
> And Ross hadn't given any sign of having understood what either of us was on 
> about.  I thought we would get an ("Oh!  Of course!")
> 
> Or maybe I just remind you of your Freshman English teacher.  ;-)  (I'm 
> probably old more than enough.  Though I probably speak the wrong kind of 
> English.)

Unless you're in your 90s, you're not old enough.

-- 

Bob Holtzman
A fair fight is the result of poor planning.

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Chris Bannister]

On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 05:56:35PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> 
> I think I knew what you meant Lisi, but on this side of the small pond we 
> spell it teensy, meaning a very small quantity of something.  Like a 
> pinch of salt in a recipe.  Thats normally less than a dash unless you 
> shake the container really hard. :)

Hmmm, is that more, or less, than a 'smidgin'? :)

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/smidgen

It looks like a tad is larger than a dash. :)

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 22 November 2015 16:38:02 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Sunday 22 November 2015 20:32:30 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 10:51:00PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Saturday 21 November 2015 22:37:27 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 09:00:36AM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > > > On Friday 20 November 2015 23:23:56 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > > > > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:10:38PM -0800, Ross Boylan wrote:
> > > > > > > So the operations are simply setting up an environment for
> > > > > > > doing the rescue, not overwriting the existing system? 
> > > > > > > I'm happy to change my expectation if that's the case.   
> > > > > > > Maybe by the end of it there is a more complete system,
> > > > > > > e.g., with bash.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In the meantime I've downloaded the first CD of the Debian
> > > > > > > live CD's. Ross
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wanna bet?
> > > > >
> > > > > I think perhaps we should be less subtle (than this and my
> > > > > ??). Ross, there is only one Live CD.  Well, for different
> > > > > architectures there is more than one - but it sounds as though
> > > > > you have downloaded the wrong CD.
> > > >
> > > > Gee. Can't a guy have *any* fun anymore?
> > >
> > > Well, it felt a little unfair once there were two of us!  I had
> > > already felt that I had been less than fair.  Sorry. :-(  But come
> > > on, admit it. We could have been just a tincy* bit more helpful. 
> > > ;-)
> > > Lisi
> > > * https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/teensy
> >
> > Why do I feel like I'm back in Freshman English class?
>
> Not you.  When I use slightly obscure English I try to remember that I
> am on an international list and explain.  I did in fact look up
> "tincy" to see whether people could look it up for themselves, and
> even most of the Internet didn't know it.  So I referenced something
> that explained the meaning in which I had used it - which was not as a
> girl's name!  I used it in the first place because you would know it.
>
> And Ross hadn't given any sign of having understood what either of us
> was on about.  I thought we would get an ("Oh!  Of course!")
>
> Or maybe I just remind you of your Freshman English teacher.  ;-) 
> (I'm probably old more than enough.  Though I probably speak the wrong
> kind of English.)
>
> Lisi

I think I knew what you meant Lisi, but on this side of the small pond we 
spell it teensy, meaning a very small quantity of something.  Like a 
pinch of salt in a recipe.  Thats normally less than a dash unless you 
shake the container really hard. :)

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 22 November 2015 19:00:19 Chris Bannister wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 05:56:35PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I think I knew what you meant Lisi, but on this side of the small
> > pond we spell it teensy, meaning a very small quantity of something.
> >  Like a pinch of salt in a recipe.  Thats normally less than a dash
> > unless you shake the container really hard. :)
>
> Hmmm, is that more, or less, than a 'smidgin'? :)

I think that depends on which side of the Mason-Dixon line you hale from.  
As an old Iowa Farm raised kid, we always treated a smidgeon like it was 
about 1/4 of a pinch.

Much of this depends on one command of the language he speaks.  King of 
that category would have to be our long time United States Senator, 
Robert C. Byrd, deceased, who was past master at telling someone to go 
to hell, in such flowery language that they looked forward to the trip.

> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/smidgen
>
> It looks like a tad is larger than a dash. :)

Generally, yes.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Bob Holtzman]

On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 10:51:00PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Saturday 21 November 2015 22:37:27 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 09:00:36AM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Friday 20 November 2015 23:23:56 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:10:38PM -0800, Ross Boylan wrote:
> > > > > So the operations are simply setting up an environment for doing the
> > > > > rescue, not overwriting the existing system?  I'm happy to change my
> > > > > expectation if that's the case.Maybe by the end of it there is a
> > > > > more complete system, e.g., with bash.
> > > > >
> > > > > In the meantime I've downloaded the first CD of the Debian live CD's.
> > > > > Ross
> > > >
> > > > Wanna bet?
> > >
> > > I think perhaps we should be less subtle (than this and my ??).  Ross,
> > > there is only one Live CD.  Well, for different architectures there is
> > > more than one - but it sounds as though you have downloaded the wrong CD.
> >
> > Gee. Can't a guy have *any* fun anymore?
> 
> Well, it felt a little unfair once there were two of us!  I had already felt 
> that I had been less than fair.  Sorry. :-(  But come on, admit it. We could 
> have been just a tincy* bit more helpful.  ;-)
> Lisi
> * https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/teensy

Why do I feel like I'm back in Freshman English class? 

-- 

Bob Holtzman
A fair fight is the result of poor planning.

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[John Hasler]

Brian writes:
> It looks like it is. What functional disadvantage is it to a user of
> sysvinit or systemd?

The login terminal becomes inaccessible, messages from X are hidden, and
one of the terminals is used up.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 22 November 2015 20:32:30 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 10:51:00PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Saturday 21 November 2015 22:37:27 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 09:00:36AM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > > On Friday 20 November 2015 23:23:56 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > > > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:10:38PM -0800, Ross Boylan wrote:
> > > > > > So the operations are simply setting up an environment for doing
> > > > > > the rescue, not overwriting the existing system?  I'm happy to
> > > > > > change my expectation if that's the case.Maybe by the end of
> > > > > > it there is a more complete system, e.g., with bash.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the meantime I've downloaded the first CD of the Debian live
> > > > > > CD's. Ross
> > > > >
> > > > > Wanna bet?
> > > >
> > > > I think perhaps we should be less subtle (than this and my ??). 
> > > > Ross, there is only one Live CD.  Well, for different architectures
> > > > there is more than one - but it sounds as though you have downloaded
> > > > the wrong CD.
> > >
> > > Gee. Can't a guy have *any* fun anymore?
> >
> > Well, it felt a little unfair once there were two of us!  I had already
> > felt that I had been less than fair.  Sorry. :-(  But come on, admit it.
> > We could have been just a tincy* bit more helpful.  ;-)
> > Lisi
> > * https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/teensy
>
> Why do I feel like I'm back in Freshman English class?

Not you.  When I use slightly obscure English I try to remember that I am on 
an international list and explain.  I did in fact look up "tincy" to see 
whether people could look it up for themselves, and even most of the Internet 
didn't know it.  So I referenced something that explained the meaning in 
which I had used it - which was not as a girl's name!  I used it in the first 
place because you would know it.

And Ross hadn't given any sign of having understood what either of us was on 
about.  I thought we would get an ("Oh!  Of course!")

Or maybe I just remind you of your Freshman English teacher.  ;-)  (I'm 
probably old more than enough.  Though I probably speak the wrong kind of 
English.)

Lisi

Correction Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 22 November 2015 21:38:02 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> I'm
> probably old more than enough.


"I'm probably more than old enough."

Sorry - moved some words and misread the result. :-(

Lisi

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Ross Boylan]

Yes; I ended up with the Debian Installer.  I think I've found the
right place now.  Of course, there's Knoppix, but the smaller image is
a bit dated.

Thanks everyone for your help.

Ross



On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 1:00 AM, Lisi Reisz <lisi.re...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday 20 November 2015 23:23:56 Bob Holtzman wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:10:38PM -0800, Ross Boylan wrote:
>> > So the operations are simply setting up an environment for doing the
>> > rescue, not overwriting the existing system?  I'm happy to change my
>> > expectation if that's the case.Maybe by the end of it there is a more
>> > complete system, e.g., with bash.
>> >
>> > In the meantime I've downloaded the first CD of the Debian live CD's.
>> > Ross
>>
>> Wanna bet?
>
> I think perhaps we should be less subtle (than this and my ??).  Ross, there
> is only one Live CD.  Well, for different architectures there is more than
> one - but it sounds as though you have downloaded the wrong CD.
>
> Lisi
>

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Ross Boylan]

The Debian live CD isn't much as a rescue CD; it lacks parted and lvm,
for example.  At least the text only image I used did.  Of course, you
can install those packages after startup.

I wasn't logged in, and it took some searching to find out the right
id.  For the record it's user, with password live.  Use sudo to get to
root.  The system is running the ssh server, but it's not  configured
to accept passwords.
Ross

On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Ross Boylan
<rossboy...@stanfordalumni.org> wrote:
> Yes; I ended up with the Debian Installer.  I think I've found the
> right place now.  Of course, there's Knoppix, but the smaller image is
> a bit dated.
>
> Thanks everyone for your help.
>
> Ross
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 1:00 AM, Lisi Reisz <lisi.re...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Friday 20 November 2015 23:23:56 Bob Holtzman wrote:
>>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:10:38PM -0800, Ross Boylan wrote:
>>> > So the operations are simply setting up an environment for doing the
>>> > rescue, not overwriting the existing system?  I'm happy to change my
>>> > expectation if that's the case.Maybe by the end of it there is a more
>>> > complete system, e.g., with bash.
>>> >
>>> > In the meantime I've downloaded the first CD of the Debian live CD's.
>>> > Ross
>>>
>>> Wanna bet?
>>
>> I think perhaps we should be less subtle (than this and my ??).  Ross, there
>> is only one Live CD.  Well, for different architectures there is more than
>> one - but it sounds as though you have downloaded the wrong CD.
>>
>> Lisi
>>

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Bob Holtzman]

On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 09:00:36AM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Friday 20 November 2015 23:23:56 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:10:38PM -0800, Ross Boylan wrote:
> > > So the operations are simply setting up an environment for doing the
> > > rescue, not overwriting the existing system?  I'm happy to change my
> > > expectation if that's the case.Maybe by the end of it there is a more
> > > complete system, e.g., with bash.
> > >
> > > In the meantime I've downloaded the first CD of the Debian live CD's.
> > > Ross
> >
> > Wanna bet?
> 
> I think perhaps we should be less subtle (than this and my ??).  Ross, there 
> is only one Live CD.  Well, for different architectures there is more than 
> one - but it sounds as though you have downloaded the wrong CD.

Gee. Can't a guy have *any* fun anymore?

-- 

Bob Holtzman
A fair fight is the result of poor planning.

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Lisi Reisz]

On Saturday 21 November 2015 22:37:27 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 09:00:36AM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Friday 20 November 2015 23:23:56 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:10:38PM -0800, Ross Boylan wrote:
> > > > So the operations are simply setting up an environment for doing the
> > > > rescue, not overwriting the existing system?  I'm happy to change my
> > > > expectation if that's the case.Maybe by the end of it there is a
> > > > more complete system, e.g., with bash.
> > > >
> > > > In the meantime I've downloaded the first CD of the Debian live CD's.
> > > > Ross
> > >
> > > Wanna bet?
> >
> > I think perhaps we should be less subtle (than this and my ??).  Ross,
> > there is only one Live CD.  Well, for different architectures there is
> > more than one - but it sounds as though you have downloaded the wrong CD.
>
> Gee. Can't a guy have *any* fun anymore?

Well, it felt a little unfair once there were two of us!  I had already felt 
that I had been less than fair.  Sorry. :-(  But come on, admit it. We could 
have been just a tincy* bit more helpful.  ;-)
Lisi
* https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/teensy

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 20 November 2015 23:23:56 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:10:38PM -0800, Ross Boylan wrote:
> > So the operations are simply setting up an environment for doing the
> > rescue, not overwriting the existing system?  I'm happy to change my
> > expectation if that's the case.Maybe by the end of it there is a more
> > complete system, e.g., with bash.
> >
> > In the meantime I've downloaded the first CD of the Debian live CD's.
> > Ross
>
> Wanna bet?

I think perhaps we should be less subtle (than this and my ??).  Ross, there 
is only one Live CD.  Well, for different architectures there is more than 
one - but it sounds as though you have downloaded the wrong CD.

Lisi

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Pascal Hambourg]

Ross Boylan a écrit :
> After booting the Debian 8.2 netinst iso I noticed a couple of oddities.
> 
> First, I selected advanced and rescue, but this seemed to end up walking me
> through the installer.

Indeed, the first steps are identical to an installation.

> I was expecting to be dropped into a shell.  At the
> screen that asked for system name I switched virtual terminals.

Too bad : the rescue screen was the next step.

> Second, vgimportclone is on the system, but when I try to run it the
> message is "vgimportclone: not found".  It is the only vg* command in /sbin
> that is not a symlink to lvm but a shell script.

It appears that vgimportclone is defined as a bash script (1st line
contains #!/bin/bash) but bash is not included in the Debian installer.
I don't know if this script really requires bash or could be run with
the installer's shell, ash. In the latter case, just modify the script
header or create a symlink /bin/bash pointing to sh or ash.

>  Any recommendations for a rescue image that
> has at least lvm, parted, and ext4 utilities?

The Debian installer have them all.

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Brian]

On Fri 20 Nov 2015 at 11:18:41 -0800, Ross Boylan wrote:

> After booting the Debian 8.2 netinst iso I noticed a couple of oddities.
> 
> First, I selected advanced and rescue, but this seemed to end up walking me
> through the installer.  I was expecting to be dropped into a shell.  At the
> screen that asked for system name I switched virtual terminals.

Ye of little faith; the top left-hand of the screen says "Rescue mode".

Your expectations do not accord with what Rescue mode does to prepare
the environment for accessing the installer's commands, Which should
change - your expectations or the installer?

It's a pity you didn't progress from the step asking for the hostname.

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Ross Boylan]

So the operations are simply setting up an environment for doing the
rescue, not overwriting the existing system?  I'm happy to change my
expectation if that's the case.Maybe by the end of it there is a more
complete system, e.g., with bash.

In the meantime I've downloaded the first CD of the Debian live CD's.
Ross

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Brian <a...@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:

> On Fri 20 Nov 2015 at 11:18:41 -0800, Ross Boylan wrote:
>
> > After booting the Debian 8.2 netinst iso I noticed a couple of oddities.
> >
> > First, I selected advanced and rescue, but this seemed to end up walking
> me
> > through the installer.  I was expecting to be dropped into a shell.  At
> the
> > screen that asked for system name I switched virtual terminals.
>
> Ye of little faith; the top left-hand of the screen says "Rescue mode".
>
> Your expectations do not accord with what Rescue mode does to prepare
> the environment for accessing the installer's commands, Which should
> change - your expectations or the installer?
>
> It's a pity you didn't progress from the step asking for the hostname.
>
>

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Pascal Hambourg]

Ross Boylan a écrit :
> So the operations are simply setting up an environment for doing the
> rescue, not overwriting the existing system?

Even in installer mode, nothing is written on the disks until you
validate the changes in partman, the partitioning tool.

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Chris Edwards]

On 21/11/15 08:18, Ross Boylan wrote:

After booting the Debian 8.2 netinst iso I noticed a couple of oddities.

First, I selected advanced and rescue, but this seemed to end up walking
me through the installer.  I was expecting to be dropped into a shell.
At the screen that asked for system name I switched virtual terminals.



In my experience, "rescue" is a bit of a misnomer, as the toolset is 
just too rudimentary.


For practical rescue activities, I've found the "live" image is far more 
heroic. It has more utilities out of the box, and can install packages 
into the live environment for any extras you might need. I often use it 
for resizing Windows partitions I want to keep when installing Debian 
(you can install from within the live environment too).


Hope this helps,
--
Chris

Debian rescue CD oddities

[Ross Boylan]

After booting the Debian 8.2 netinst iso I noticed a couple of oddities.

First, I selected advanced and rescue, but this seemed to end up walking me
through the installer.  I was expecting to be dropped into a shell.  At the
screen that asked for system name I switched virtual terminals.

Second, vgimportclone is on the system, but when I try to run it the
message is "vgimportclone: not found".  It is the only vg* command in /sbin
that is not a symlink to lvm but a shell script.

Are these behaviors expected?  Any recommendations for a rescue image that
has at least lvm, parted, and ext4 utilities?

If these are bugs, what package should I report them against?

Thanks.
Ross Boylan

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[tomas]

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> It appears that vgimportclone is defined as a bash script (1st line
> contains #!/bin/bash) but bash is not included in the Debian installer.
> I don't know if this script really requires bash or could be run with
> the installer's shell, ash. In the latter case, just modify the script
> header or create a symlink /bin/bash pointing to sh or ash.

or -- the minimal-invasive variant, try invoking the shell explicitly,
as in ash /sbin/vgimportclone

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Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 20 November 2015 20:10:38 Ross Boylan wrote:
> In the meantime I've downloaded the first CD of the Debian live CD's.

??

Lisi

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Brian]

On Fri 20 Nov 2015 at 12:10:38 -0800, Ross Boylan wrote:

> So the operations are simply setting up an environment for doing the
> rescue, not overwriting the existing system?  I'm happy to change my
> expectation if that's the case.Maybe by the end of it there is a more
> complete system, e.g., with bash.

Language, keyboard, network and hardware discovery take place; the same
things which happen when actually installing. Tools to work in the
installer environment (if you choose to) are also loaded into memory.
The shell is /bin/sh whether you are in /dev/sd* or not. There is no TAB
completion, which makes things a bit tedious.

Everyone should (as "It's not a bad idea to ) trial rescue mode in
the event is becomes necessary to use it in earnest. :)

> 
> In the meantime I've downloaded the first CD of the Debian live CD's.

I've never really explored a graphical approach to rescue. Maybe it's
time to.

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Bob Holtzman]

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:10:38PM -0800, Ross Boylan wrote:
> So the operations are simply setting up an environment for doing the
> rescue, not overwriting the existing system?  I'm happy to change my
> expectation if that's the case.Maybe by the end of it there is a more
> complete system, e.g., with bash.
> 
> In the meantime I've downloaded the first CD of the Debian live CD's.
> Ross

Wanna bet?

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Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Lisi Reisz]

On 8 October 2012 15:37, Wally Lepore wallylep...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 4:09 AM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
 Then install it!  As one paranoid to another, you really have nothing to 
 lose.

 Ok, got it!  I'm good to go!

:-)

 BEFORE DOING ANYTHING AT ALL MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE YOUR
 WINDOWS DRIVE WELL BACKED UP.

 Done!  I'm good to go Lisi.  Good to go!

:-))

 Sorry to shout, but you don't seem to have taken that in!!  Your
 Windows drive is precious to you.  You need to have a good backup at
 all times.  What if your drive dies?  You are not paranoid enough
 about this!!


 Thank you for this most important warning. Its always good to make
 sure it sinks in! It's all taken care of. I'm good to go!


 Install it!!

 Good luck,


 Ok,  I'm good to go.  I'm good to go!

That's good news!

 BTW,  I noticed you replied to this post off-list.

Oh, dear.  I struggle rather with Gmail, which is hopefully only temporary.

 I actually posted
 some off-list replies to the list to keep the chain of events in
 order. Perhaps I shouldn't have done that but my last post I emailed
 to you (on-list) asked questions that you answered here. I just want
 to be sure that the question/answer cycle is complete for other newbie
 installers who read the thread.

Thank you.  That is very helpful.

 I'll reply off-list in the future to all off-lists emails. I'm fairly
 new to this mailing list stuff as well and keep forgetting to
 reply-all when responding. I used to work in MS Outlook express for
 my mail prior to moving to gmail. Outlook express replied to all
 automatically when I responded. Gmail does not automatically do this
 which is probably better. Gmail just takes some getting used to.

You can say that again!

 If you can kindly 'add' the reply you sent me today to the user-list
 (to complete the thread) I would appreciate it.

I'll try.  My previous errors do not suggest that my attempts will
necessarily be successful!

 Perhaps a shortened
 version to save you time. If you want me to add the reply just let me
 know. I'm installing Debian and have no further pre-install questions
 unless of course something happens that requires help. In that case I
 will have started a new thread (different topic).

 Lisi, thanks for your patience and help.

You're very welcome.  let us (or anyhow me!) know how you get on.

Lisi

Sorry all.  Untrimmed at the bottom here because I am cack-handed at
all things Gmail. :-(

 Wally


 On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 4:09 AM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, Wally,

 On 7 October 2012 22:26, Wally Lepore wallylep...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 7 October 2012 19:05, Wally Lepore wallylep...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm not understanding please. Do I download the .zip file you
 suggested and run that from the USB stick and that alone will tell me
 if any firmware is needed for my system prior to running the netinst
 CD I created?

 On Oct 7, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com replied:

 No.  You have to offer that at a later stage when you are asked for it
 by the installer.

 Hi Lisi,

 Thanks for helping again. Can we please start over? I'm not understanding.

 Before installing Debian Squeeze via the netinst.iso file, I was
 advised to run the Debian LiveCd to test my systems hardware. Is this
 still recommended or should I forget the liveCD and simply begin the
 install process to my hard drive using the netinst CD that I burned?

 Yes.  Just try to install.  It will soon tell you that there is a
 problem, if there is one.  And what have you got to lose?

 If you do recommend that I simply begin the install to my hard drive,
 and if during the install, the installer asked for firmware, then I
 place the USB stick into the computer (that has the the firmware on
 it)

 Yes.

 OR should the USB stick already be in the computer prior to the
 install?

 No.  If you need to put it in, you will be asked by the installer.

 This is confusing and I appreciate your help.

 You are making it a good deal more confusing than it needs to be.
 There is nothing we can say that will enable you to visualise the
 whole process.  Just take a leap in the dark.

 Here is the link where I downloaded the firmware .zip file
 http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/squeeze/current/

 It doesn't matter.  Just install.  If you have got the wrong file the
 installer will soon tell you!

 I would strongly recommend using ethernet, not wi-fi, for your net
 install if you possibly can.  It is easier and you are much less
 likely to need firmware.


 Thanks for that advice. Yes, I am using ethernet for the net install.
 [snip a long list of unnecessary details.]

 Just trying to get Debian installed. Thank you very much!

 Then install it!  As one paranoid to another, you really have nothing to 
 lose.

 BEFORE DOING ANYTHING AT ALL MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE YOUR WINDOWS
 DRIVE WELL BACKED UP.

 Sorry to shout, but you don't seem to have taken that in!!  Your
 

Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Lisi Reisz]

Hi, Wally,

On 7 October 2012 22:26, Wally Lepore wallylep...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 7 October 2012 19:05, Wally Lepore wallylep...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm not understanding please. Do I download the .zip file you
 suggested and run that from the USB stick and that alone will tell me
 if any firmware is needed for my system prior to running the netinst
 CD I created?

 On Oct 7, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com replied:

 No.  You have to offer that at a later stage when you are asked for it
 by the installer.

 Hi Lisi,

 Thanks for helping again. Can we please start over? I'm not understanding.

 Before installing Debian Squeeze via the netinst.iso file, I was
 advised to run the Debian LiveCd to test my systems hardware. Is this
 still recommended or should I forget the liveCD and simply begin the
 install process to my hard drive using the netinst CD that I burned?

Yes.  Just try to install.  It will soon tell you that there is a
problem, if there is one.  And what have you got to lose?

 If you do recommend that I simply begin the install to my hard drive,
 and if during the install, the installer asked for firmware, then I
 place the USB stick into the computer (that has the the firmware on
 it)

Yes.

 OR should the USB stick already be in the computer prior to the
 install?

No.  If you need to put it in, you will be asked by the installer.

 This is confusing and I appreciate your help.

You are making it a good deal more confusing than it needs to be.
There is nothing we can say that will enable you to visualise the
whole process.  Just take a leap in the dark.

 Here is the link where I downloaded the firmware .zip file
 http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/squeeze/current/

It doesn't matter.  Just install.  If you have got the wrong file the
installer will soon tell you!

 I would strongly recommend using ethernet, not wi-fi, for your net
 install if you possibly can.  It is easier and you are much less
 likely to need firmware.


 Thanks for that advice. Yes, I am using ethernet for the net install.
[snip a long list of unnecessary details.]

 Just trying to get Debian installed. Thank you very much!

Then install it!  As one paranoid to another, you really have nothing to lose.

BEFORE DOING ANYTHING AT ALL MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE YOUR WINDOWS
DRIVE WELL BACKED UP.

Sorry to shout, but you don't seem to have taken that in!!  Your
Windows drive is precious to you.  You need to have a good backup at
all times.  What if your drive dies?  You are not paranoid enough
about this!!

Then, just install and see where it gets you.  There is nothing else
that we collectively can do to help you install.  Only you can do
anything more.  Install it!!

Good luck,
Lisi


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Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Wally Lepore]

On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 5:46 AM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:

 You will have a good idea what to expect after reading Chapter 6 of the
 guide.


Hi Brian

Chapter 6 discusses using the Debian Installer. I am not utilizing the
installer. I downloaded the netinst.iso file. Is there a difference?

Here is the link that describes the netinst file that I downloaded.
http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/

  You will also have prepared for the possible need for firmware by
 unzipping the file you get from

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/

 to a USB stick after reading Section 2.2.

I'm not understanding please. Do I download the .zip file you
suggested and run that from the USB stick and that alone will tell me
if any firmware is needed for my system prior to running the netinst
CD I created?

Appreciate the help in getting Debian installed.


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Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Paul E Condon]

On 20121007_140524, Wally Lepore wrote:
 On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 5:46 AM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:
 
  You will have a good idea what to expect after reading Chapter 6 of the
  guide.
 
 
 Hi Brian
 
 Chapter 6 discusses using the Debian Installer. I am not utilizing the
 installer. I downloaded the netinst.iso file. Is there a difference?
 
 Here is the link that describes the netinst file that I downloaded.
 http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
 
   You will also have prepared for the possible need for firmware by
  unzipping the file you get from
 
 http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/
 
  to a USB stick after reading Section 2.2.
 
 I'm not understanding please. Do I download the .zip file you
 suggested and run that from the USB stick and that alone will tell me
 if any firmware is needed for my system prior to running the netinst
 CD I created?
 
 Appreciate the help in getting Debian installed.

Wally,

Windows and Debian use different file systems on disk. I think Windows
is incapable of modifying data on extN formatted disks that Debian
uses. And Windows does have some safety checks that keep you from
mistakenly formatting a disk that already has a non-Windows format on
it.

Conversely, Debian can read and write the Windows file system, but
only if you tell it to mount the Windows disk. During install you will
be given a opportunity to select what disks and partitions you want
Debian to mount in detail. Use this opportunity. Make sure you see the
Windows disk while configuring, and be sure you select do not mount.

HTH

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[NIT] Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Neal Murphy]

On Sunday, October 07, 2012 03:18:25 PM Paul E Condon wrote:
 Windows and Debian use different file systems on disk. I think Windows
 is incapable of modifying data on extN formatted disks that Debian
 uses.


A minor NIT to pick.

There is an EXT3 driver for Winders that enables it to read and write certain 
Linux file systems. It worked quite well, though it's been some years since I 
used it.


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Re: [NIT] Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Paul E Condon]

On 20121007_152845, Neal Murphy wrote:
 On Sunday, October 07, 2012 03:18:25 PM Paul E Condon wrote:
  Windows and Debian use different file systems on disk. I think Windows
  is incapable of modifying data on extN formatted disks that Debian
  uses.
 
 
 A minor NIT to pick.
 
 There is an EXT3 driver for Winders that enables it to read and write certain 
 Linux file systems. It worked quite well, though it's been some years since I 
 used it.

I didn't know that. 
Wally,

I had assumed that your Windows computer is a plain vanilla Windows
machine with the only software on it purchased from a Microsoft
approved software outlet. 

But if the computer you have has been powned by a Debian hating Linux
guru to has placed a version of Linux some other Linus on it in a
hidden location waiting and watching for a Debian install ... Well
even paranoids can have enemies.  Be afraid, be very afraid... ;-)


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Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Brian]

On Sun 07 Oct 2012 at 14:05:24 -0400, Wally Lepore wrote:

 Chapter 6 discusses using the Debian Installer. I am not utilizing the
 installer. I downloaded the netinst.iso file. Is there a difference?

No difference. They are the same thing.

 I'm not understanding please. Do I download the .zip file you
 suggested

Yes.

and run that from the USB stick

You do not run it, you unzip it. The contents of the zip file then get
unpacked.

and that alone will tell me
 if any firmware is needed for my system prior to running the netinst
 CD I created?

No. The unpacked files are used by the installer (your netinst,iso) if
they are required. It will tell you if you need to provide firmware.

You have the netinst.iso on a CD, I think. Have you actually booted from
it? If you haven't, do it immediately after reading this mail. Remove
the drive you have Windows on if you must. Read the installer Guide, stop
agonising and get stuck in. You may make mistakes, but so what. It's
only an operating system you are installing, not a procedure to replace a
defective heart. You can always start all over again.


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Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Wally Lepore]

 On 7 October 2012 19:05, Wally Lepore wallylep...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm not understanding please. Do I download the .zip file you
 suggested and run that from the USB stick and that alone will tell me
 if any firmware is needed for my system prior to running the netinst
 CD I created?

 On Oct 7, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com replied:

 No.  You have to offer that at a later stage when you are asked for it
 by the installer.

Hi Lisi,

Thanks for helping again. Can we please start over? I'm not understanding.

Before installing Debian Squeeze via the netinst.iso file, I was
advised to run the Debian LiveCd to test my systems hardware. Is this
still recommended or should I forget the liveCD and simply begin the
install process to my hard drive using the netinst CD that I burned?

If you do recommend that I simply begin the install to my hard drive,
and if during the install, the installer asked for firmware, then I
place the USB stick into the computer (that has the the firmware on
it) OR should the USB stick already be in the computer prior to the
install? This is confusing and I appreciate your help.

Here is the link where I downloaded the firmware .zip file
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/squeeze/current/


 I would strongly recommend using ethernet, not wi-fi, for your net
 install if you possibly can.  It is easier and you are much less
 likely to need firmware.


Thanks for that advice. Yes, I am using ethernet for the net install.

By the way, here is a link to the motherboard I'm using to install
Debian Squeeze. The motherboard is an iWill DVD266R. The board has SMP
as it uses 'two' pentium III processors. It provides up to 4 gigs
'max' of DDR memory however I only have 1 gig of RAM installed. It
should handle Debian Squeeze (basic system) no problem. I can provide
any additional hardware specs if needed.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mainboards/display/iwill-dvd266-r.html

The Debian detailed instruction guide says that dual processors are
supported. See:
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s01.html.en#id583798

I have the raid controllers turned 'off' and using an 80 gig Western
Digital EIDE hard drive to install Debian to.

Also following instructions on section titled, 3.6.3. Miscellaneous
BIOS Settings
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s06.html.en#id586045

Complete Debian Install instructions for i386
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/

Just trying to get Debian installed. Thank you very much!


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Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Wally Lepore]

On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:
On Sun 07 Oct 2012 at 14:05:24 -0400, Wally Lepore wrote:

 and run that from the USB stick?


 You do not run it, you unzip it. The contents of the zip file then get
 unpacked.

Yes I understand how to extract files. Sorry, I meant to say:
After downloading the zip file, do I unpack it to a folder on the USB drive?

I just extracted all the files from the firmware zip file 'as a test'
to see the contents and noticed all the files are .deb files. Ok I
understand now. I thought the firmware zip file contained an iso image
or something that needed to be burned to the USB drive. Sorry for the
confusion.

 and that alone will tell me if any firmware is needed for my
 system prior to running the netinst CD I created?


 No. The unpacked files are used by the installer (your netinst,iso) if
 they are required. It will tell you if you need to provide firmware.

Ok, therefore both the netinst cd installer and the USB stick have to
be in the computer at boot up? or if the installer asks for the
firmware I simply plug in the USB drive that contains the firmware
files?

 You have the netinst.iso on a CD, I think.

Yes I have it already it burned to a CD.

Have you actually booted from it?

No, not yet.

If you haven't, do it immediately after reading this mail. Remove
 the drive you have Windows on if you must. Read the installer Guide, stop
 agonising and get stuck in. You may make mistakes, but so what. It's
 only an operating system you are installing, not a procedure to replace a
 defective heart. You can always start all over again.

Ok got it! But just to clarify. The reason I was holding back is
because it was suggested that I run the LiveCD first and see if Debian
has any issues with my hardware etc.

So what you are recommending is forget the LiveCD and just boot up the
installer and begin the install process to my hard drive?

Thanks Brian.


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Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Brian]

On Sun 07 Oct 2012 at 19:02:29 -0400, Wally Lepore wrote:

 On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:
 
  You do not run it, you unzip it. The contents of the zip file then get
  unpacked.
 
 Yes I understand how to extract files. Sorry, I meant to say:
 After downloading the zip file, do I unpack it to a folder on the USB drive?
 
 I just extracted all the files from the firmware zip file 'as a test'
 to see the contents and noticed all the files are .deb files. Ok I
 understand now. I thought the firmware zip file contained an iso image
 or something that needed to be burned to the USB drive. Sorry for the
 confusion.

Just copy the extracted .deb files to the USB drive. Or put the firmware
zip file on the drive and extract them there. There is no ned to put
them in a folder on the drive

  No. The unpacked files are used by the installer (your netinst,iso) if
  they are required. It will tell you if you need to provide firmware.
 
 Ok, therefore both the netinst cd installer and the USB stick have to
 be in the computer at boot up? or if the installer asks for the
 firmware I simply plug in the USB drive that contains the firmware
 files?

The USB stick does not have to be in computer at boot time. Take the
second option.

 If you haven't, do it immediately after reading this mail. Remove
  the drive you have Windows on if you must. Read the installer Guide, stop
  agonising and get stuck in. You may make mistakes, but so what. It's
  only an operating system you are installing, not a procedure to replace a
  defective heart. You can always start all over again.
 
 Ok got it! But just to clarify. The reason I was holding back is
 because it was suggested that I run the LiveCD first and see if Debian
 has any issues with my hardware etc.

The firmware .debs should accomodate just about all the common hardware
a user would meet.
 
 So what you are recommending is forget the LiveCD and just boot up the
 installer and begin the install process to my hard drive?

That would be my recommendation. If you do not get a move on Wheezy will
have been released. :)


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Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 07:03:11PM -0400, Wally Lepore wrote:
 Hi Members,
 
 I just downloaded the Debian netinst.iso file called
 debian-6.0.6-i386-netinst.iso. The file is only 191 MB because it
 installs the most basic Debian system. I then acquire the rest via the
 internet.

Yep, that is what the netinst is for. :)

 I will be installing Debian to a freshly wiped-clean hard drive. No
 other OS will be present on the hard drive. Not a Dual boot (in this
 case). I do have windows loaded on a separate hard drive but I will
 remove this drive and install the Debian drive when I choose to work
 with the Debian OS.

Debian will coexist with other OS's whereas Windows is a selfish OS and
wants everything for itself.

I would ditch Windows completely unless you know you need it because
you have proprietry software. Although nowadays there is usually a Linux
alternative. More importantly, is hardware support; make sure Linux will
work with your hardware.

I would grab a LiveCD and check the hardware works. At least you can get
a listing (lspci, et al) for further checks.

 I understand I can load a dual boot using two separate drives as I
 found instructions here that describe the set-up:
 http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2012/07/23/dual-boot-ubuntu-12-04-and-windows-7-on-a-computer-with-2-hard-drives/

Yeah, just be aware of the Disk UUID and also where you stick the MBR.

 But unless someone can kindly convince me otherwise, I simply prefer
 to keep both OS's from ever knowing each other. I hope this method
 does not cause BIOS or firmware issues.

The hardware may require firmware regardless. That is why I suggest you
get a listing of your hardware, then you can find out if firmware is
required.

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Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Brian]

On Fri 05 Oct 2012 at 19:03:11 -0400, Wally Lepore wrote:

 I just downloaded the Debian netinst.iso file called
 debian-6.0.6-i386-netinst.iso. The file is only 191 MB because it
 installs the most basic Debian system. I then acquire the rest via the
 internet.
 
 I was reading the install instructions here:
 http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/
 
 This is extremely detailed and certainly very helpful. However since I
 only have one CD to install, can I simply load the install CD and
 follow on the on-screen installation walk-thru that includes setting
 up the partitions (similar to Ubuntu's installer) or will I be
 expecting something completely different? Just would like to know
 what's headed my way before loading the CD.

You will have a good idea what to expect after reading Chapter 6 of the
guide. You will also have prepared for the possible need for firmware by
unzipping the file you get from

   http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/

to a USB stick after reading Section 2.2.

You might want to take up the offer at the partitioning stage of doing
it manually. One large partition and a GB or two of swap space would
suit many people.
 
 I will be installing Debian to a freshly wiped-clean hard drive. No
 other OS will be present on the hard drive. Not a Dual boot (in this
 case). I do have windows loaded on a separate hard drive but I will
 remove this drive and install the Debian drive when I choose to work
 with the Debian OS.

In this situation installing GRUB to the MBR of the drive should go very
smoothly.

 I understand I can load a dual boot using two separate drives as I
 found instructions here that describe the set-up:
 http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2012/07/23/dual-boot-ubuntu-12-04-and-windows-7-on-a-computer-with-2-hard-drives/
 
 But unless someone can kindly convince me otherwise, I simply prefer
 to keep both OS's from ever knowing each other. I hope this method
 does not cause BIOS or firmware issues.

Not a problem. Just do it.


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Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Lisi]

On Saturday 06 October 2012 10:46:04 Brian wrote:
 On Fri 05 Oct 2012 at 19:03:11 -0400, Wally Lepore wrote:
  I just downloaded the Debian netinst.iso file called
  debian-6.0.6-i386-netinst.iso. The file is only 191 MB because it
  installs the most basic Debian system. I then acquire the rest via the
  internet.
 
  I was reading the install instructions here:
  http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/
 
  This is extremely detailed and certainly very helpful. However since I
  only have one CD to install, can I simply load the install CD and
  follow on the on-screen installation walk-thru that includes setting
  up the partitions (similar to Ubuntu's installer) or will I be
  expecting something completely different? Just would like to know
  what's headed my way before loading the CD.

 You will have a good idea what to expect after reading Chapter 6 of the
 guide. You will also have prepared for the possible need for firmware by
 unzipping the file you get from

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/

 to a USB stick after reading Section 2.2.

 You might want to take up the offer at the partitioning stage of doing
 it manually. One large partition and a GB or two of swap space would
 suit many people.

  I will be installing Debian to a freshly wiped-clean hard drive. No
  other OS will be present on the hard drive. Not a Dual boot (in this
  case). I do have windows loaded on a separate hard drive but I will
  remove this drive and install the Debian drive when I choose to work
  with the Debian OS.

 In this situation installing GRUB to the MBR of the drive should go very
 smoothly.

  I understand I can load a dual boot using two separate drives as I
  found instructions here that describe the set-up:
  http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2012/07/23/dual-boot-ubuntu-12-04-and-windows-7
 -on-a-computer-with-2-hard-drives/
 
  But unless someone can kindly convince me otherwise, I simply prefer
  to keep both OS's from ever knowing each other. I hope this method
  does not cause BIOS or firmware issues.

I have in the past set up a system on which I dual-booted by having Windows on 
one HDD and Linux on another. I then switched between them by changing the 
boot order in the BIOS.  Easier and quicker than moving disks around.

I solve the problem now by not having Windows!

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Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Wally Lepore]

 Chris Bannister wrote:  (On Oct, 06, 2012)

 Debian will coexist with other OS's whereas Windows is a selfish OS and
 wants everything for itself.


That is why I can't afford a single trip-up with upsetting windows.
My whole life is on that drive! Sure I have my files backed up but the
applications alone would simply take weeks to reinstall if need be.


 I would ditch Windows completely unless you know you need it because
 you have proprietry software. Although nowadays there is usually a Linux
 alternative. More importantly, is hardware support; make sure Linux will
 work with your hardware.


I understand your suggestion and eventually I hope to move in that
direction but -for now- its highly unlikely that I'd be able to make a
100% switch. I am  involved with stock and currency trading and
utilize a whole bunch of applications for this profession. I am also a
musician and likewise utilize Sonar as my Digital Audio Workstation
along with a host of other applications to assist in composing music.

I also work with video editing and a host of other photo work. I
understand there are replacements for some (if not all of these)
applications, but the downtime would be enormous and I just can't
afford that right now. Step-by-step (as you already know). Thanks for
the up-lifting spirit. :-)


 I would grab a LiveCD and check the hardware works. At least you can get
 a listing (lspci, et al) for further checks.


Is this the link for the live CD?
http://www.debian.org/CD/live/

I ask because I attempted to install Ubuntu awhile back and their
LiveCd was a snap to find and download but that's a whole other story.
I'm still learning my way around Debian's web site.


 The hardware may require firmware regardless. That is why I suggest you
 get a listing of your hardware, then you can find out if firmware is
 required.


Using the Live CD link above?

Thank you for helping Chris.


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Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Wally Lepore]

 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: (On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 5:46 AM),

 You will have a good idea what to expect after reading Chapter 6 of the
 guide. You will also have prepared for the possible need for firmware by
 unzipping the file you get from

 http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/

 to a USB stick after reading Section 2.2.

 You might want to take up the offer at the partitioning stage of doing
 it manually. One large partition and a GB or two of swap space would
 suit many people.


Hi Brian,

Yes I am studying and reading Chapter 6. That link you sent me
above...is that for the LiveCD that test my hardware for firmware?

I never burned anything to a USB stick. Reading section 2.2 should be
a real education. I read in the past that burning iso images to a USB
can destroy the USB stick. It's just what I've read but I have no
experience performing this procedure as of yet.

Reading section 2.2 now. Thanks Brian.


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Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Wally Lepore]

 Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: (On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 6:14 AM),

 I have in the past set up a system on which I dual-booted by having
 Windows on one HDD and Linux on another.
 I then switched between them by changing the boot order in the BIOS.
 Easier and quicker than moving disks around.

 I solve the problem now by not having Windows!

 Lisi

Hi Lisi,

Good point. I am aware of changing the boot order of the drives in
BIOS but someone brought up a good point awhile back.
If I have both drives on a single cable
(Windows drive set to master and Debian drive set to slave),
can I change the boot order and make a slave drive boot first?
I was warned that this may not work.

I thought changing the boot order only works when drives (disks)
are installed on their own separate ribbon cables and each drive
is set to master (obviously).

Thank you Lisi.


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Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Lisi]

On Saturday 06 October 2012 15:22:52 Wally Lepore wrote:
  Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: (On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 6:14 AM),
 
  I have in the past set up a system on which I dual-booted by having
  Windows on one HDD and Linux on another.
  I then switched between them by changing the boot order in the BIOS.
  Easier and quicker than moving disks around.
 
  I solve the problem now by not having Windows!
 
  Lisi

 Hi Lisi,

 Good point. I am aware of changing the boot order of the drives in
 BIOS but someone brought up a good point awhile back.
 If I have both drives on a single cable
 (Windows drive set to master and Debian drive set to slave),
 can I change the boot order and make a slave drive boot first?
 I was warned that this may not work.

 I thought changing the boot order only works when drives (disks)
 are installed on their own separate ribbon cables and each drive
 is set to master (obviously).

 Thank you Lisi.

Hi, Wally,

It was quite a long time ago, but so far as I remember they were both on the 
same cable.  I think that I had both optical drives on one cable and both IDE 
drives on another.  It may depend on the specific motherboard and BIOS, the 
specific cables and drives, even which way the wind is blowing. ;-)

The fact that it worked for me, doesn't mean that it will work for you.  But 
if your informant only says that it might not work, then there is nothing to 
lose.  Why not try it?  If it works, well and good.  If it doesn't work, too 
bad, and go back to your original plan.

Before doing any playing around, if the stuff you have on your Windows HDD is 
so precious, you really need a good backup, such as done by Clonezilla, 
Norton Ghost,etc.; even dd.  Indeed, you need that good a backup all the time 
in case the HDD dies.  (They do you know.  Usually just when it is most 
inconvenient.)

Lisi


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Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Chris Bannister]

On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 10:04:17AM -0400, Wally Lepore wrote:
 
 Is this the link for the live CD?
 http://www.debian.org/CD/live/

Thats one. There is also knoppix, and various others.

 I ask because I attempted to install Ubuntu awhile back and their
 LiveCd was a snap to find and download but that's a whole other story.

If you still have it lying around, I'd use that, the software to get the
hardware is not specific to Debian. I'd just run sudo lspci -vv  in a
terminal and save as a text file to any old USB stick you've got lying
around. 

Boot CD - Plug in USB - find out where it is mounted, then in a
terminal issue: sudo lspci -vv  /mountpoint/lspci-list

and voila!


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Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Wally Lepore]

Hi Members,

I just downloaded the Debian netinst.iso file called
debian-6.0.6-i386-netinst.iso. The file is only 191 MB because it
installs the most basic Debian system. I then acquire the rest via the
internet.

I was reading the install instructions here:
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/

This is extremely detailed and certainly very helpful. However since I
only have one CD to install, can I simply load the install CD and
follow on the on-screen installation walk-thru that includes setting
up the partitions (similar to Ubuntu's installer) or will I be
expecting something completely different? Just would like to know
what's headed my way before loading the CD.

The install link (above) is incredibly detailed. I found the BIOS
settings titled, 3.6.3. Miscellaneous BIOS Settings to be very
helpful.

I will be installing Debian to a freshly wiped-clean hard drive. No
other OS will be present on the hard drive. Not a Dual boot (in this
case). I do have windows loaded on a separate hard drive but I will
remove this drive and install the Debian drive when I choose to work
with the Debian OS.

I understand I can load a dual boot using two separate drives as I
found instructions here that describe the set-up:
http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2012/07/23/dual-boot-ubuntu-12-04-and-windows-7-on-a-computer-with-2-hard-drives/

But unless someone can kindly convince me otherwise, I simply prefer
to keep both OS's from ever knowing each other. I hope this method
does not cause BIOS or firmware issues.

Thank you


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Re: Relavant mailing list - Debian Live CD????

[Camaleón]

On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 20:17:44 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:

 In the past month I'm certain that I saw a reference to a Live CD 
 mailing list.
 IIRC it was in a sig.
 I don't see it at http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ 

It is indeed there:

http://lists.debian.org/completeindex.html

 Its evidently not an official list ;) Guidance please.

Uh, why not? Debian Live is an official flavour.

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Re: Relavant mailing list - Debian Live CD????

[Andreas Rönnquist]

On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 20:17:44 -0600
Richard Owlett rowl...@pcnetinc.com wrote:

 In the past month I'm certain that I saw a reference to a 
 Live CD  mailing list.
 IIRC it was in a sig.
 I don't see it at http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/
 Its evidently not an official list ;)
 Guidance please.
 

This is probably what you are looking for

http://lists.debian.org/debian-live/

- I found it through this page:

http://lists.debian.org/devel.html

(Going from Developers on http://lists.debian.org )

best regards
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Re: Relavant mailing list - Debian Live CD????

[Keith McKenzie]

http://live.debian.net/  is the home page, which has a link to
http://lists.debian.org/debian-live/, which is what you seem to be
looking for.

On 24/02/2012, Andreas Rönnquist mailingli...@gusnan.se wrote:
 On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 20:17:44 -0600
 Richard Owlett rowl...@pcnetinc.com wrote:

 In the past month I'm certain that I saw a reference to a
 Live CD  mailing list.
 IIRC it was in a sig.
 I don't see it at http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/
 Its evidently not an official list ;)
 Guidance please.


 This is probably what you are looking for

 http://lists.debian.org/debian-live/

 - I found it through this page:

 http://lists.debian.org/devel.html

 (Going from Developers on http://lists.debian.org )

 best regards
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[Richard Owlett]

In the past month I'm certain that I saw a reference to a 
Live CD  mailing list.

IIRC it was in a sig.
I don't see it at http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/
Its evidently not an official list ;)
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Daily built Debian Installer cd kept asking for stable dists.

[Magicloud Magiclouds]

Hi,
  Just want to reinstall a debian box, so download the daily built iso
from cdimage.debian.org.
  Since I am out of CDR, I simply `cat the_iso.iso  /dev/udisk`. It
booted, things seemed fine until the step of finding the install cd
(sorry I cannot remember the exact menu item name now). It failed for
no valid release file for stable suite, according to the log, it
should be in /cdrom/dists/stable/. Well, this is a testing d-i, so
there is only /cdrom/dists/testing.
  Not sure if this is because the udisk boot (never tried this way
before). What should I do now?
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Re: Daily built Debian Installer cd kept asking for stable dists.

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Du, 19 feb 12, 17:39:22, Magicloud Magiclouds wrote:
 Hi,
   Just want to reinstall a debian box, so download the daily built iso
 from cdimage.debian.org.
   Since I am out of CDR, I simply `cat the_iso.iso  /dev/udisk`. 

I think the only image that works when booted from the target media is 
the mini.iso (GTK or not), but you need a reasonably good internet 
connection because even parts of the installer are downloaded.

Kind regards,
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Re: Daily built Debian Installer cd kept asking for stable dists.

[Thierry Chatelet]

On Sunday 19 February 2012 10:54:17 Andrei POPESCU wrote:
 On Du, 19 feb 12, 17:39:22, Magicloud Magiclouds wrote:
  Hi,
  
Just want to reinstall a debian box, so download the daily built iso
  
  from cdimage.debian.org.
  
Since I am out of CDR, I simply `cat the_iso.iso  /dev/udisk`.
 
 I think the only image that works when booted from the target media is
 the mini.iso (GTK or not), but you need a reasonably good internet
 connection because even parts of the installer are downloaded.
 
 Kind regards,
 Andrei

Netinstall works out of a usb stick
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Re: Daily built Debian Installer cd kept asking for stable dists.

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Du, 19 feb 12, 12:00:19, Thierry Chatelet wrote:
 On Sunday 19 February 2012 10:54:17 Andrei POPESCU wrote:
  
  I think the only image that works when booted from the target media is
  the mini.iso (GTK or not), but you need a reasonably good internet
  connection because even parts of the installer are downloaded.
 
 Netinstall works out of a usb stick

All (reasonably current) images work from an USB stick, but AFAIR
not from the *target* media (== the media the system will be installed 
*to*, not *from*).

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Re: Daily built Debian Installer cd kept asking for stable dists.

[Jude DaShiell]

I've had situations where the daily builds have thrown a media change 
message and asked for the disk that was already being used to install 
the system to be put into the machine.  Unfortunately, the drive door is 
locked and the media change dialog only respects alt-fx alt-f2 ... and 
ejecting the disk and replacing it and doing alt-f1 and hitting enter 
leaves the system in a closed loop.  One might be forgiven if they 
thought Microsoft paid crackers had gotten to the code and broken it if 
they didn't know any better.

On Sun, 19 Feb 2012, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

 On Du, 19 feb 12, 12:00:19, Thierry Chatelet wrote:
  On Sunday 19 February 2012 10:54:17 Andrei POPESCU wrote:
   
   I think the only image that works when booted from the target media is
   the mini.iso (GTK or not), but you need a reasonably good internet
   connection because even parts of the installer are downloaded.
  
  Netinstall works out of a usb stick
 
 All (reasonably current) images work from an USB stick, but AFAIR
 not from the *target* media (== the media the system will be installed 
 *to*, not *from*).
 
 Hope this explains,
 Andrei
 


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installing Debian from CD

[Russel Mulla]

hello,
how does one complie the installation boot CD?
and what -which files would I use of the 8 dvds?

Re: installing Debian from CD

[Camaleón]

On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 10:31:59 -0500, Russel Mulla wrote:

 how does one complie the installation boot CD? and what -which files
 would I use of the 8 dvds? 

You usually only need the first of the medias (either the first CD or 
DVD).

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Re: installing Debian from CD

[Lisi]

On Sunday 05 February 2012 15:31:59 Russel Mulla wrote:
 hello,
 how does one complie the installation boot CD?

You don't.  You download the .iso and burn it to CD or DVD.  You need to burn 
the image to CD or DVD, not copy the files.  ($CD burner should have a menu 
entry for this.)

 and what -which files would I use of the 8 dvds?

Personally, I would say none of them.  I would download the netinstall CD and 
do a net install.  That way you have an already updated system and download 
only the packages that you actually want.

But if you do want to use the DVDs, then you only need the first one if you 
have internet access.

Lisi



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Re: Debian Live CD

[Marcos Antonio Rufino do Egito]

Obrigado a Todos!

Estou tentando baixar agora ...



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Re: Debian Live CD

[Gustavo Soares [SLot]]

http://wiki.debian.org/LiveCD


Em 29-09-2011 14:08, Marcos Antonio Rufino do Egito escreveu:

Boa Tarde Debianos!

Alguém sabe como posso baixar o Debian live CD ...

Grato!





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Re: Debian Live CD

[Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw)]

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On 29-09-2011 14:11, Gustavo Soares [SLot] wrote:
 Em 29-09-2011 14:08, Marcos Antonio Rufino do Egito escreveu:
 Boa Tarde Debianos!

 Alguém sabe como posso baixar o Debian live CD ...

 http://wiki.debian.org/LiveCD

Só para registrar algo que nem sempre é óbvio ou fácil de encontrar.

A maioria dos espelhos de download carrega uma cópia dos CDs e dos
live CDs, por exemplo:

Nosso espelho primário no Brasil tem uma cópia dos CDs:

http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian-cd/


Lá você encontra o 6.0.2-live que é o Debian Live CD.

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Re: debian live cd

[Klaus Becker]

Le vendredi 16 septembre 2011 07:33:17, Pierre Meurisse a écrit :
 On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 07:24:09AM +0200, Georges wrote:
 ...
   Au pif : http://live.debian.net/ ?
  
  Vendredi : Wouarf ! je les ai toutes essayé et aucune ne permet de 
  configurer le 
  clavier et la langue au départ.
   Qwerty c'est pas terrible et en console sans X c'est décourageant : 
  iso-hybrid/ 
  
 J'utilise un CD debian-live que j'ai configuré moi-même il y a plusieurs mois
 Il y a en principe une option qui permet de tout franciser. Dans la dernière
 version de live-helper que j'ai utilisée, cela n'avait plus l'air de marcher.
 Mais à l'utilisation, c'est facile à contourner :
 - en console : loadkeys fr
 - sous X : setxkbmap fr
 et c'est bon pour toute la session.
 
 A+
 
 

Connais-tu http://aptosid.com/ ? 

Klaus

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Re: debian live cd

[Georges]

Le vendredi 16 septembre 2011 12:13:01, Klaus Becker a écrit :

Bonsoir,

 Le vendredi 16 septembre 2011 07:33:17, Pierre Meurisse a écrit :
  On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 07:24:09AM +0200, Georges wrote:
  ...
  
Au pif : http://live.debian.net/ ?
   
   Vendredi : Wouarf ! je les ai toutes essayé et aucune ne permet de
   configurer le clavier et la langue au départ.
   
Qwerty c'est pas terrible et en console sans X c'est décourageant :
iso-hybrid/
  
  J'utilise un CD debian-live que j'ai configuré moi-même il y a plusieurs
  mois Il y a en principe une option qui permet de tout franciser. Dans la
  dernière version de live-helper que j'ai utilisée, cela n'avait plus
  l'air de marcher. Mais à l'utilisation, c'est facile à contourner :
  - en console : loadkeys fr
  - sous X : setxkbmap fr
  et c'est bon pour toute la session.
  
  A+
 
 Connais-tu http://aptosid.com/ ?
Non, et comme je ne pratique que très mal l'anglais je n'ai pas tout compris 
sur 
leur site.
Bon, en le faisant traduire par chromium je vais approfondir mais les 
traductions sont souvent _approximatives_

 Klaus
Georges
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Re: debian live cd

[Georges]

Le vendredi 16 septembre 2011 21:24:14, Georges a écrit :

[couic..]

Et Jean-Christophe Saint-Marc ma écrit ce qui suit, en privé, car pas abonné à 
la liste, et qui peu servir à plus d'un. Donc je transmet avec son accord.

[copie ...]
Bonjour,

petit préalable : les développeurs debian live ont l'habitude de changer
la syntaxe entre les versions donc tout ce qui suit est valable pour squeeze

utiliser les live cd debian disponibles sur
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/
ou pour amd64
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/

choisir la version du cd (trié ici par taille)
standard
rescue
lxde-desktop
xfce-desktop
kde-desktop
gnome-desktop

au boot du cd, sur le menu, faire Échap pour avoir le prompt et booter
avec la commande suivante
boot: live live-config.locales=fr keyboard-layouts=fr timezone=Europe/Paris

ça fonctionne bien avec le live cd gnome qui contient déjà les
traductions alors que pour kde, vu que le paquet kde-l10n-fr n'est pas
inclus il faut l'ajouter pour que ça fasse effet

on peut automatiser la procédure de boot francisé en modifiant l'iso du
cd avec isomaster par exemple ; il suffit d'éditer le fichier qui va
bien : isolinux/live.cfg
et de remplacer
 append initrd=/live/initrd.img boot=live config   quiet
par
 append initrd=/live/initrd.img boot=live config
live-config.locales=fr keyboard-layouts=fr  quiet

pour ceux qui veulent se lancer avec live-helper et créer un cd adapté :
http://live.debian.net/manual/fr/html/

librement votre
[...copie]

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Re: debian live cd

[philippe monroux]

De (from) (von) linux.debus...@free.fr :


 pour ceux qui veulent se lancer avec live-helper et créer un cd adapté :
 http://live.debian.net/manual/fr/html/
 
C'est amha le meilleure soluce. Pour ne pas s'ennuyer avec les
différentes syntaxes il y a la configuration auto (voir la doc) qui se
fait grâce à des fichiers qui se trouvent ds le rep auto:

-rwxr--r-- 1 root root   53 31 oct.   2010 build
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 21 janv.  2011 cache
-rwxr--r-- 1 root root  129 31 oct.   2010 clean
-rwxr--r-- 1 root root  350 12 sept. 16:36 config
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 21 janv.  2011 functions
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 21 janv.  2011 scripts

le + important est le config dont je communique la contenance du mien :

#!/bin/sh
lb config noauto \
-b usb-hdd \
--bootappend-live locales=fr_FR.UTF-8 keyboard-layouts=fr persistent \
--packages mc gnumeric xpdf htop idle geogebra emacs openprinting-ppds cups 
lsb mutt virtualbox-ose  \
-p xfce \
-d squeeze \
-a i386 \
-k 686 \
--archive-areas main contrib non-free \
--includes none \
--syslinux-timeout 5 \
${@}


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itou

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debian live cd

[Georges]

Bonjour,

A propos, ou trouver un live cd debian squeeze qui permet de le lancer comme 
knopix kaella et d'autres avec un clavier  _français_ et la langue  fr_FR.UTF-8.

Je cherche depuis des jours et _tous_ sont infernalement difficile à configurer.

J'ai même essayé avec live-helper  remastersys mais c'est le souq pour trouver 
un bon / simple tutorial.

Quand aux messages d'erreur en _English_ :-(

Aide sera chaleureusement accueilli par novice et moi même 8-)

Georges

ps : sa permettrai de contrer le succés de   Ubuchose (buesque ?) 8-)

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Re: debian live cd

[Jean-Yves F. Barbier]

On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 22:41:36 +0200, Georges linux.debus...@free.fr wrote:

 A propos, ou trouver un live cd debian squeeze qui permet de le lancer comme 
 knopix kaella et d'autres avec un clavier  _français_ et la langue
 fr_FR.UTF-8.
 
 Je cherche depuis des jours et _tous_ sont infernalement difficile à
 configurer.

Quel intérêt? Alors qu'il suffit d'une courte ligne de Cde pour lancer une
Knoppix comme on veut (basée sur squeeze, experimental  sid).
Si c'est juste pour modifier son boot, il existe de tas de HOWTOs qui
expliquent comment faire.

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Re: debian live cd

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 A propos, ou trouver un live cd debian squeeze qui permet de le lancer comme 
 knopix kaella et d'autres avec un clavier  _français_ et la langue  
 fr_FR.UTF-8.

Au pif : http://live.debian.net/ ?

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Re: debian live cd

[Georges]

Le jeudi 15 septembre 2011 23:06:09, Aéris a écrit :
 Le 15/09/2011 22:50, Georges a écrit :
  Bonjour,
  
  A propos, ou trouver un live cd debian squeeze qui permet de le lancer
  comme knopix kaella et d'autres avec un clavier  _français_ et la langue
   fr_FR.UTF-8.
 
 Au pif : http://live.debian.net/ ?

Vendredi : Wouarf ! je les ai toutes essayé et aucune ne permet de configurer 
le 
clavier et la langue au départ.
 Qwerty c'est pas terrible et en console sans X c'est décourageant : 
iso-hybrid/ 

Merci quand même

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Re: debian live cd

[Pierre Meurisse]

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 07:24:09AM +0200, Georges wrote:
...
  Au pif : http://live.debian.net/ ?
 
 Vendredi : Wouarf ! je les ai toutes essayé et aucune ne permet de configurer 
 le 
 clavier et la langue au départ.
  Qwerty c'est pas terrible et en console sans X c'est décourageant : 
 iso-hybrid/ 
 
J'utilise un CD debian-live que j'ai configuré moi-même il y a plusieurs mois
Il y a en principe une option qui permet de tout franciser. Dans la dernière
version de live-helper que j'ai utilisée, cela n'avait plus l'air de marcher.
Mais à l'utilisation, c'est facile à contourner :
- en console : loadkeys fr
- sous X : setxkbmap fr
et c'est bon pour toute la session.

A+

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installation debian 6.0 cd

[roberto]

Hello, i am going to install debian 6.0 on my laptop.
Is this the correct cd-image to install debian with the kde desktop
environment ?
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/i386/bt-cd/debian-6.0.2.1-i386-kde-CD-1.iso.torrent


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Re: installation debian 6.0 cd

[Roman Khomasuridze]

hi.

yes it is.


Regards
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On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:39 PM, roberto robert...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello, i am going to install debian 6.0 on my laptop.
 Is this the correct cd-image to install debian with the kde desktop
 environment ?

 http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/i386/bt-cd/debian-6.0.2.1-i386-kde-CD-1.iso.torrent


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Re: installation debian 6.0 cd

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:39:57 +0200, roberto wrote:

 Hello, i am going to install debian 6.0 on my laptop. Is this the
 correct cd-image to install debian with the kde desktop environment ?
 http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/i386/bt-cd/debian-6.0.2.1-i386-kde-CD-1.iso.torrent

If you want the 32-bits install CD, yes.

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Re: Download Debian live CD testing?

[news]

opts! , sorry,  pardon me, please apologise myself ,excuse me, disculpe yo 
for the non bis in idem
 of last day , maybe
found something maybe useful (some said interesting) :
http://live.debian.net/

with my best
mr thuillier-charmet
23-07-2011




 Hi,

 a colleague just asked where they can download Debian
 Live CD for testing/wheezy. Do they exist? TIA.

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Re: Download Debian live CD testing?

[W. Martin Borgert]

Quoting Noah Duffy n.milo.du...@gmail.com:

http://www.debian.org/CD/live/

That should help you out.


I cannot find any reference to wheezy/testing (nor
sid/unstable) on that page, only squeeze/stable.
Thanks anyway.


On Jul 21, 2011 11:51 AM, W. Martin Borgert deba...@debian.org wrote:

Hi,

a colleague just asked where they can download Debian
Live CD for testing/wheezy. Do they exist? TIA.

Cheers


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Re: Download Debian live CD testing?

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 14:30:24 +0200, W. Martin Borgert wrote:

 Quoting Noah Duffy n.milo.du...@gmail.com:
 http://www.debian.org/CD/live/

 That should help you out.
 
 I cannot find any reference to wheezy/testing (nor sid/unstable) on that
 page, only squeeze/stable. Thanks anyway.

http://live.debian.net/

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Download Debian live CD testing?

[W. Martin Borgert]

Hi,

a colleague just asked where they can download Debian
Live CD for testing/wheezy. Do they exist? TIA.

Cheers


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Re: Download Debian live CD testing?

[Noah Duffy]

http://www.debian.org/CD/live/

That should help you out.
On Jul 21, 2011 11:51 AM, W. Martin Borgert deba...@debian.org wrote:
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 a colleague just asked where they can download Debian
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Re: Download Debian live CD testing?

[Michael Checca]

On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:34:28 -0400, W. Martin Borgert deba...@debian.org  
wrote:



Hi,

a colleague just asked where they can download Debian
Live CD for testing/wheezy. Do they exist? TIA.

Cheers




No CD exists for sid. You will have to download the one for Wheezy and  
change your sources.list

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/

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Re: Download Debian live CD testing?

[thuillier-charmet]

Le Thu, 21 Jul 2011 18:34:28 +0200,
W. Martin Borgert deba...@debian.org a écrit :

 Hi,
 
 a colleague just asked where they can download Debian
 Live CD for testing/wheezy. Do they exist? TIA.
 
 Cheers

 

Hope to be useful in this relax forum env :

http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/

with grace


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NAT i Debian 6.0.0 cd.

[Lech Pankowski]

 sysctl -p  ?Niestety nie działa. Wstawiłem to do wspomnianego 
 /etc/rc2.d/S04iptables.sh po linii, która ma zapewniać translację.Na wszelki 
 wypadek zrestartowałem serwer.Zajrzałem do /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward - 
 jest '1'.Czy prawdopodobne, że to coś z jądrem? Instalowałem z pierwszego 
 krążka CD wskazując na dodatkowy serwer FTP.Pozdr.L. P.

Re: NAT i Debian 6.0.0 cd.

[Tomasz Suchodolski]

W dniu 22 lutego 2011 12:00 użytkownik Lech Pankowski
lp...@uwb.edu.pl napisał:
 sysctl -p  ?

 Niestety nie działa.
 Wstawiłem to do wspomnianego /etc/rc2.d/S04iptables.sh po linii, która ma
 zapewniać translację.
 Na wszelki wypadek zrestartowałem serwer.
 Zajrzałem do /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward - jest '1'.

 Czy prawdopodobne, że to coś z jądrem? Instalowałem z pierwszego krążka CD
 wskazując na dodatkowy serwer FTP.

 Pozdr.
 L. P.


A sprawdziłeś czy ten skrypt  się wykonuje ?
Sprawdź czy reguły są załadowane: iptables -L -n


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Fw: NAT i Debian 6.0.0 cd.

[opakor]

 sysctl -p  ?

Niestety nie działa. 
Wstawiłem to do wspomnianego /etc/rc2.d/S04iptables.sh po linii, która ma 
zapewniać translację.
Na wszelki wypadek zrestartowałem serwer.
Zajrzałem do /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward - jest '1'.

Czy prawdopodobne, że to coś z jądrem? Instalowałem z pierwszego krążka CD 
wskazując na dodatkowy serwer FTP.

Pozdr.
L. P.

Czy wykonałes po skopiowaniu  komende:
 update-rc.d nazwa_skryptu_iptables enable

nieraz skopiowanie samego symlinku nie pomaga :)

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