Re: Lenny -> Squeeze -> Wheezy; no eth0 on Squeeze reboot
Ron Leach a écrit : > > # apt-get upgrade > returns an enormous list of changes it needs to do (this is > re-assuring, because I already thought that the upgrade had been > incomplete) but, on asking it to proceed, reports: > > WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! >libssl0.9.8 openssl libgnutls26 libxml2 python-libxml2 gnupg-curl > libtiff4 > Install these packages without verification [y/N]? > > I declined, because I want verified packages. > I executed > # apt-get debian-archive-keyring > which installed some wheezy keys, and reported that the squeeze key > was left unchanged. It said nothing about an LTS key. Repeating > # apt-get upgrade > resulted in the same verification warnings. I thought these > unverified packages might be in LTS. Indeed. > I've looked through the LTS wiki > pages, and the DSAs announcing LTS, but have found no mention of a > signing key for squeeze-lts. > > Has anybody updated squeeze from squeeze-lts, with verification? If > so, does anybody recall how they obtained a signing key? I updated several systems from squeeze to squeeze-lts, just by adding the squeeze-lts repository from my usual Debian mirror. I did not need to add any keys nor get such authentication warning. Maybe you should first try to dist-upgrade to squeeze without the squeeze-lts repository, and only then add it again ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53ce1dcb.9080...@plouf.fr.eu.org
Re: Lenny -> Squeeze -> Wheezy; no eth0 on Squeeze reboot
On 21/07/2014 15:22, Curt wrote: I think to move forward you should solve those apt errors, which are probably the source of many, if not all, of the problems you are encountering. Curt, I thought the same. The sources list is now fixed. In case anyone hits the same problem in copying the entries from the wiki, I substituted http://http.debian.net/debian/ with an example from the list of mirrors https://www.debian.org/mirror/list . I used http://ftp.be.debian.org/debian/ . But we're still not completely there. # apt-get upgrade returns an enormous list of changes it needs to do (this is re-assuring, because I already thought that the upgrade had been incomplete) but, on asking it to proceed, reports: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! libssl0.9.8 openssl libgnutls26 libxml2 python-libxml2 gnupg-curl libtiff4 Install these packages without verification [y/N]? I declined, because I want verified packages. I executed # apt-get debian-archive-keyring which installed some wheezy keys, and reported that the squeeze key was left unchanged. It said nothing about an LTS key. Repeating # apt-get upgrade resulted in the same verification warnings. I thought these unverified packages might be in LTS. I've looked through the LTS wiki pages, and the DSAs announcing LTS, but have found no mention of a signing key for squeeze-lts. Has anybody updated squeeze from squeeze-lts, with verification? If so, does anybody recall how they obtained a signing key? regards, Ron -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53cd4573.2050...@tesco.net
Re: Lenny -> Squeeze -> Wheezy; no eth0 on Squeeze reboot
On 2014-07-21, Ron Leach wrote: > Pascal, thank you. Indeed I can - I hadn't known that was a possible > method. Worked, and now able to access remotely which will make > things faster. > > Package ifupdown is missing, though. > # apt-get install ifupdown > replies: I don't believe it is missing; I believe your apt errors are preventing it from being indexed/fetched. > Just on basics for moving this forward, may I have some advice about > automating the ifconfig command? If I had a script with the ifconfig > and route add commands in it, and made it executable, could someone > suggest from where I could call it during the start-up sequence, so > that a keyboard/screen interaction wouldn't be necessary? > I think to move forward you should solve those apt errors, which are probably the source of many, if not all, of the problems you are encountering. Are you using some kind of proxy? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnlsq8gt.2gl.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: Lenny -> Squeeze -> Wheezy; no eth0 on Squeeze reboot
On 20/07/2014 21:21, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Ron Leach a écrit : Method 1: But Plugging in a USB CD-ROM isn't recognised on this (not quite working) Squeeze installation, What do you mean exactly ? Is there a /dev/srX device node ? If yes, try to manually mount it with mount on any temporary mount point. No, there is no /dev/srX. There is /dev/@scd0 and /dev/+sr0 . mc shows /dev/+sr0 in pink text. Trying # mount - t iso9660 /dev/+sr0 /mnt mount advised mount: special device /dev/+sr0 does not exist I think this Squeeze install is incomplete, and I need to complete it, first. As posted in an earlier reply, the apt sources list for the Lenny -> Squeeze upgrade is giving rise to errors in apt, so possibly there are several important things missing at the moment. regards, Ron -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53cce3e4.9040...@tesco.net
Re: Lenny -> Squeeze -> Wheezy; no eth0 on Squeeze reboot
On 20/07/2014 21:21, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Ron Leach a écrit : cannot fetch over the network Can't you just configure and activate eth0 manually ? If by DHCP : # dhclient eth0 If statically : # ifconfig eth0 netmask # route add default gw # echo nameserver >> /etc/resolv.conf # if needed Pascal, thank you. Indeed I can - I hadn't known that was a possible method. Worked, and now able to access remotely which will make things faster. Package ifupdown is missing, though. # apt-get install ifupdown replies: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Package ifupdown is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package ifupdown has no installation candidate So, I don't seem to be able to introduce ifupdown to this Squeeze system. As a result, each restart leaves eth0 down and the machine is - very - difficult to get at, and to see / touch a keyboard, to type the ifconfig command. I'm also very surprised that eth0 doesn't come up - I must have done something quite badly wrong with this upgrade for that to have happened, not least because Debian is seriously reliable with all its upgrades and documentation, and thousands of systems must have followed this path before - and may still be doing so; I doubt we're the only place with some Lenny servers running. I read and followed the Squeeze documents, though, and used the apt sources described in the squeeze-LTS documents. Here are the apt sources I'm using, and I find that several of these do not work: deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-lts main contrib non-free deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-lts main contrib non-free deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free deb http://http.debian.net/debian squeeze-lts main contrib non-free deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian squeeze-lts main contrib non-free apt reports errors on: Err http://http.debian.net squeeze-lts/main Packages 302 Found [IP: 46.4.205.44 80] Err http://http.debian.net squeeze-lts/contrib Packages 302 Found [IP: 46.4.205.44 80] Err http://http.debian.net squeeze-lts/non-free Packages 302 Found [IP: 46.4.205.44 80] Err http://http.debian.net squeeze-lts/main Sources 302 Found [IP: 46.4.205.44 80] Err http://http.debian.net squeeze-lts/contrib Sources 302 Found [IP: 46.4.205.44 80] Err http://http.debian.net squeeze-lts/non-free Sources 302 Found [IP: 46.4.205.44 80] Err http://http.debian.net squeeze/main Packages 302 Found [IP: 46.4.205.44 80] Err http://http.debian.net squeeze/contrib Packages 302 Found [IP: 46.4.205.44 80] Err http://http.debian.net squeeze/non-free Packages 302 Found [IP: 46.4.205.44 80] Err http://http.debian.net squeeze/main Sources 302 Found [IP: 46.4.205.44 80] Err http://http.debian.net squeeze/contrib Sources 302 Found [IP: 46.4.205.44 80] Err http://http.debian.net squeeze/non-free Sources 302 Found [IP: 46.4.205.44 80] W: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/squeeze-lts/main/binary-i386/Packages 302 Found [IP: 46.4.205.44 80] W: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/squeeze-lts/contrib/binary-i386/Packages 302 Found [IP: 46.4.205.44 80] W: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/squeeze-lts/non-free/binary-i386/Packages 302 Found [IP: 46.4.205.44 80] W: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/squeeze-lts/main/source/Sources 302 Found [IP: 46.4.205.44 80] W: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/squeeze-lts/contrib/source/Sources 302 Found [IP: 46.4.205.44 80] W: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/squeeze-lts/non-free/source/Sources 302 Found [IP: 46.4.205.44 80] W: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/squeeze/main/binary-i386/Packages 302 Found [IP: 46.4.205.44 80] W: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/squeeze/contrib/binary-i386/Packages 302 Found [IP: 46.4.205.44 80] W: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/squeeze/non-free/binary-i386/Packages 302 Found [IP: 46.4.205.44 80] W: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/squeeze/main/source/Sources 302 Found [IP: 46.4.205.44 80] W: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/squeeze/contrib/source/Sources 302 Found [IP: 46.4.205.44 80] W: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/squeeze/non-free/source/Sources 302 Found [IP: 46.4.205.44 80] That looks serious, and perhaps is the cause of the upgrade being incomplete. I'd followed the advice here: https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using#Add_squeeze-lts_to_your_sources.list Just on ba
Re: Lenny -> Squeeze -> Wheezy; no eth0 on Squeeze reboot
Ron Leach a écrit : > > cannot fetch over the network Can't you just configure and activate eth0 manually ? If by DHCP : # dhclient eth0 If statically : # ifconfig eth0 netmask # route add default gw # echo nameserver >> /etc/resolv.conf # if needed > Method 1: But Plugging in a USB CD-ROM isn't recognised on this (not > quite working) Squeeze installation, What do you mean exactly ? Is there a /dev/srX device node ? If yes, try to manually mount it with mount on any temporary mount point. > Method 2: Also found a Squeeze XFCE boot CD, which I have managed to > boot from and, in 'Rescue' mode, have assembled the RAID1 and have a > shell in my incomplete Squeeze root filesystem. But I cannot seem to > change directory to the installation CD; I guess that's because you're in a chroot, and the CD is mounted outside the chroot. Try to remount it inside the chroot. Or exit from the chroot, enter a rescue shell (Alt+F2), mount manually anything you need and copy the file. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53cc24e4.9040...@plouf.fr.eu.org
Re: Lenny -> Squeeze -> Wheezy; no eth0 on Squeeze reboot
On 20/07/2014 19:08, Sven Joachim wrote: It looks like the ifupdown package was removed during the upgrade. Reinstall it and the network should come back after "ifup eth0". Sven, thanks, cannot fetch over the network, but found ifupdown deb file on a Squeeze CD. I think it's on an XFCE install CD (Squeeze), as well. Method 1: But Plugging in a USB CD-ROM isn't recognised on this (not quite working) Squeeze installation, so cannot copy the ifupdown deb onto the machine to install it ifupdown. (This may be a symptom of USB problems; the documentation regarding this upgrade sequence warned of that.) Method 2: Also found a Squeeze XFCE boot CD, which I have managed to boot from and, in 'Rescue' mode, have assembled the RAID1 and have a shell in my incomplete Squeeze root filesystem. But I cannot seem to change directory to the installation CD; I had hoped to copy the ifupdown-xxx.deb file to the root, /, on the partially-working Squeeze system, and then reboot the partially-working Squeeze and simply install ifupdown from /. But I cannot see or browse the filesystem on the XFCE installation CD. From this shell, I cannot seem to run mc, either. ls does list the top level directories that I'd expect to see, so I do seem to be running the shell in the correct filesystem. Method 3: There doesn't seem to be any trace of the Lenny ifupdown (in case that might be re-installable) on the machine - for example, /var/cache/apt is empty. In summary, I've 2 CDs with ifupdown.deb on; the partial-Squeeze system doesn't see a USB CD-ROM, but booting from an XFCE install CD works, and I can run a rescue shell. Is there some way I might copy ifupdown.deb from that onto the partial-Squeeze filesystem? regards, Ron -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53cc1ab4.9060...@tesco.net
Re: Lenny -> Squeeze -> Wheezy; no eth0 on Squeeze reboot
On 2014-07-20 19:53 +0200, Ron Leach wrote: > During an upgrade attempt of a Lenny server to Wheezy (the Debian docs > say do this via Squeeze) I can't restart the Squeeze system after > executing > # apt-get upgrade > # apt-get dist-upgrade > The machine is awkward to see, or get at, so I'm fairly keen to have > an SSH link to it to finish whatever further changes I need. > > The initial reboot sequence begins loading the Squeeze system but > (from screen flashing by) > > (a) notes that statd fails - mentions NFS > (b) pauses for around 2 mins waiting for nfsd to start (it ultimately > does not) > (c) seems not to bring eth0 up > (d) X / Gnome doesn't start > (e) machine gives me a login prompt. > > Logging in as ron is ok, I can su, and running mc I can see that > /etc/network/interfaces contains the same data as had been used on > Lenny. But, trying > # ifup eth0 > or > # if-up eth0 > the machine replies with command not found. It looks like the ifupdown package was removed during the upgrade. Reinstall it and the network should come back after "ifup eth0". Cheers, Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87ppgzoqbw@turtle.gmx.de
Re: Lenny security support dropped
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 11:20:55 +0100, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > Andrew Wood wrote: > >>> Well, I love Debian Lenny, the first release that I use regularly, >>> it's very sad news >> It was the first version of Debian I used too Lenny is also my first entry point to Debian :-) > It was my eighth release of debian -- Man, do I feel old now ;-) > >> but I wouldnt call it a sad day. On the contrary Im excited for the >> future of Debian - Wheezy and Gnome 3 look great. > > For my desktop I am less into look and more into functions. Gnome3 comes > are some nice ideas with good usability. Agree. >> Using Wheezy as my main desktop OS now. Used to be a Mac fan but hate >> the new UI in OS X Lion, think Gnome 3 is much more elegant. > > It sure is elegant. If only it would be less patronizing. Lots of > formerly already few available config options are simply gone. Many > others are better hidden than ever before. E.g. there is no GUI way to > configure the backdrop of gdm any more. The top panel is not > configurable at all. More panels need some trickery to spawn in the > first place. There is no power off item in the panel menu, only > log-out... Most of the complaints come from gnome-shell's lack of configurability but sure it is (configurable). We only need to look at LinuxMint's Cinnamon. I think is just a matter of time users can easily control the full look & feel of the desktop in a convenient way (by means of extensions) although I would like to see this option integrated in gnome- shell itself in a not so long future. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jh5i7j$qqo$6...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Lenny security support dropped
Andrew Wood wrote: >> Well, I love Debian Lenny, the first release that I use regularly, >> it's very sad news > It was the first version of Debian I used too It was my eighth release of debian -- Man, do I feel old now ;-) > but I wouldnt call it a sad day. On the contrary Im excited for > the future of Debian - Wheezy and Gnome 3 look great. For my desktop I am less into look and more into functions. Gnome3 comes are some nice ideas with good usability. > Using Wheezy as my main desktop OS now. Used to > be a Mac fan but hate the new UI in OS X Lion, think Gnome 3 is much > more elegant. It sure is elegant. If only it would be less patronizing. Lots of formerly already few available config options are simply gone. Many others are better hidden than ever before. E.g. there is no GUI way to configure the backdrop of gdm any more. The top panel is not configurable at all. More panels need some trickery to spawn in the first place. There is no power off item in the panel menu, only log-out... ---<)kaimartin(>--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Email: k...@familieknaak.de Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel: http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x6C0B9F53 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jh5fee$391$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Lenny security support dropped
Well, I love Debian Lenny, the first release that I use regularly, it's very sad news It was the first version of Debian I used too but I wouldnt call it a sad day. On the contrary Im excited for the future of Debian - Wheezy and Gnome 3 look great. Using Wheezy as my main desktop OS now. Used to be a Mac fan but hate the new UI in OS X Lion, think Gnome 3 is much more elegant. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f35ab70.8090...@me.com
Re: Lenny security support dropped
2012/2/10 Camaleón : > Hi, > > Well, just for those who have missed the official notice, Lenny is not > supported anymore: > > http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209.en.html > > *** > February 9th, 2012 > Security Support for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 terminated on February 6th > > One year after the release of Debian 6.0 alias "Squeeze" and nearly three > years after the release of Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 alias "Lenny" the > security support for the old distribution (5.0 alias "Lenny") came to an > end a few days ago. The Debian project is proud to have been able to > support its old distribution for such a long time and even for one year > after a new version has been released. > *** > > Let's hope Wheezy freezes this summer and comes out this same year O:-} > > Greetings, > > -- > Camaleón > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jh3stm$777$9...@dough.gmane.org > Well, I love Debian Lenny, the first release that I use regularly, it's very sad news -- "Dios en su Cielo, todo bien en la Tierra" *** -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAGGkdu=DYgy8HCQgEnJxN+FF4ycjVnb=fn42hpj4c-omxu2...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Lenny (Debian 5.0) approaching end of life
On Mon, 09 Jan 2012 14:47:03 -0400, francis picabia wrote: > On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Camaleón wrote: (...) >>> disturbances? >>> Have you upgraded a Debian from old->new stable before? >> >> (...) >> >> Nope, never ever. In Spanish I would say "jamás de los jamases" :-) >> >> In do run in place upgrades on my testing computers that now runs on a >> perpetual Debian "testing" but on production systems I would never do a >> distribution upgrade and not because is not going to work (I know >> Debian has one of the best in site upgrades available in linux with the >> plus of release notes which help a lot to minimize the risks) but I'm a >> very conservative sysadmin and one of my mottos is "always keep a >> running system" so overwriting something that is working is something >> that the mere thought gives me gooseflesh. >> >> Of course, I can do this way because I don't have thousand machines to >> administer not have to remotely access to them, in such case I would >> reconsider the in place upgrade path :-) >> >> > We run about 5 servers with Debian which have been upgraded in place, > from Lenny to Squeeze. A couple started life as Debian 3.0 and have > been upgraded a version a few times. The services offered from these > servers varies. One is an INN news server. One is our DHCP/DNS server > for a network with up to 5000 nodes on it. Another 3 servers provide > web sites and programming platforms. > > We upgrade in place because it works, and because we can't afford to buy > a new server for every OS life cycle. (...) Nice to know the upgrade path (instead a full pararel install) does the work for you. I understand every sysadmin has developed his/her own maintenance techniques and sticks to those that have been working for his/ her setups over the years. > The issues with services breaking can be mitigated by testing on a VM > instance with your usual configuration in advance. For example, I tested > our DHCP config and DNS config on a VM system with squeeze versions of > bind and ISC DHCP. I personally don't like using VM for this purpose because they don't provide reliable results (what usually fails when upgrading from a older version to another are hardware related problems more than problematic services). In the end, software issues are usually easier to solve than hardware compatibility problems (like buggy drivers). > The other part we can take advantage of is to do the upgrade work > between busy cycles, and for us that means when students are away. The > downtime for my last upgrade, of the DNS/DHCP was about 30 minutes, > mainly due to the requirement of fiddling around with kernel needs (the > rootdelay=9 issue I mention in another thread). I also try to reduce the downtime for the installation of a new release by performing the migration on holidays or over the weekends when users are not at the office. > The other thing I try to do, keeping in mind Camaleón's mentioning of > conservative practises, is to have a fall back plan for anything > important. Websites can be migrated to another system temporarily > during an upgrade. I can set up secondary DNS and have another system > ready to start with a copy of our DHCP config. In the case of a service > like INN, no one would notice if it is down for awhile, and people can > live without it for some time if needed. That would be great but I don't have secondary machines for balancing all of the services (I wish I had!) so this is not always possible :-) > I feel my practises are also conservative, but in the direction of > keeping prepared for a zero day exploit. I know Debian is quick to > patch security problems, but I can't be ready to do so with an > unsupported version of Debian. Patching the problem may also be > possible outside of the Debian packages, but if I need to act quickly on > several systems and it is time consuming to determine what chain of > dependencies may need updates, I'd prefer to avoid downtime caused by > flawed emergency patching methods. (...) Yup, running an unsupported (unpattched) system is a high risk, even more if it is providing external services (web hosting, e-mail...) :-( Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jehonh$r4p$9...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Lenny (Debian 5.0) approaching end of life
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Camaleón wrote: > On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 19:33:42 -0500, Tony Baldwin wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 04:36:49PM +0100, Camaleón wrote: > > (...) > >>> > Why can't you use squeeze? >>> > -- >>> > Sent from my Android phone with GMX Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >>> >>> Indeed, I do can, but I prefer to accomodate the span-life of the next >>> installation round to match the longest support cycle possible with the >>> less disturbances for me (admin) and my users :-) >>> >>> >> disturbances? >> Have you upgraded a Debian from old->new stable before? > > (...) > > Nope, never ever. In Spanish I would say "jamás de los jamases" :-) > > In do run in place upgrades on my testing computers that now runs on a > perpetual Debian "testing" but on production systems I would never do a > distribution upgrade and not because is not going to work (I know Debian > has one of the best in site upgrades available in linux with the plus of > release notes which help a lot to minimize the risks) but I'm a very > conservative sysadmin and one of my mottos is "always keep a running > system" so overwriting something that is working is something that the > mere thought gives me gooseflesh. > > Of course, I can do this way because I don't have thousand machines to > administer not have to remotely access to them, in such case I would > reconsider the in place upgrade path :-) > We run about 5 servers with Debian which have been upgraded in place, from Lenny to Squeeze. A couple started life as Debian 3.0 and have been upgraded a version a few times. The services offered from these servers varies. One is an INN news server. One is our DHCP/DNS server for a network with up to 5000 nodes on it. Another 3 servers provide web sites and programming platforms. We upgrade in place because it works, and because we can't afford to buy a new server for every OS life cycle. The issues with services breaking can be mitigated by testing on a VM instance with your usual configuration in advance. For example, I tested our DHCP config and DNS config on a VM system with squeeze versions of bind and ISC DHCP. We did have a couple of little surprises, like the path to the dhcp leases changing (impacts NetReg and dhcpstatus script). The other part we can take advantage of is to do the upgrade work between busy cycles, and for us that means when students are away. The downtime for my last upgrade, of the DNS/DHCP was about 30 minutes, mainly due to the requirement of fiddling around with kernel needs (the rootdelay=9 issue I mention in another thread). The other thing I try to do, keeping in mind Camaleón's mentioning of conservative practises, is to have a fall back plan for anything important. Websites can be migrated to another system temporarily during an upgrade. I can set up secondary DNS and have another system ready to start with a copy of our DHCP config. In the case of a service like INN, no one would notice if it is down for awhile, and people can live without it for some time if needed. I feel my practises are also conservative, but in the direction of keeping prepared for a zero day exploit. I know Debian is quick to patch security problems, but I can't be ready to do so with an unsupported version of Debian. Patching the problem may also be possible outside of the Debian packages, but if I need to act quickly on several systems and it is time consuming to determine what chain of dependencies may need updates, I'd prefer to avoid downtime caused by flawed emergency patching methods. Upgrading to a new system is ideal, and for some complex systems using software developed in house and third party, it is the only way to go ahead. However, we can't always afford to buy new systems for each OS life cycle. Especially for purely open source based services where the upgrade path is common to the open source user community and for which google hints abound, an upgrade in place is a good fit. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CA+AKB6Ef0W3CtrWXrur2KxEczM5pmaD7mFN2KAYoZ=psxv0...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Lenny (Debian 5.0) approaching end of life
On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 19:33:42 -0500, Tony Baldwin wrote: > On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 04:36:49PM +0100, Camaleón wrote: (...) >> > Why can't you use squeeze? >> > -- >> > Sent from my Android phone with GMX Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >> >> Indeed, I do can, but I prefer to accomodate the span-life of the next >> installation round to match the longest support cycle possible with the >> less disturbances for me (admin) and my users :-) >> >> > disturbances? > Have you upgraded a Debian from old->new stable before? (...) Nope, never ever. In Spanish I would say "jamás de los jamases" :-) In do run in place upgrades on my testing computers that now runs on a perpetual Debian "testing" but on production systems I would never do a distribution upgrade and not because is not going to work (I know Debian has one of the best in site upgrades available in linux with the plus of release notes which help a lot to minimize the risks) but I'm a very conservative sysadmin and one of my mottos is "always keep a running system" so overwriting something that is working is something that the mere thought gives me gooseflesh. Of course, I can do this way because I don't have thousand machines to administer not have to remotely access to them, in such case I would reconsider the in place upgrade path :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2012.01.07.11.20...@gmail.com
Re: Lenny (Debian 5.0) approaching end of life
On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 13:46:38 -0800, Steven Rosenberg wrote: > On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Camaleón wrote: >> On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 15:10:19 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: (...) >>> You probably missed >>> http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2009/msg00010.html >>> >>> , >>> | In the light of these goals and also in consideration of the Debian >>> | community's feedback to the release team's initial announcement >>> during | the keynote of this year's DebConf in Caceres, Spain, the >>> Release Team | has additionally decided to revisit its decision on >>> December 2009 as the | proposed freeze date. A new timeline will be >>> announced by the Debian | Release Team in early September. >>> ` >> >> Yup, I did read it, but it does not say a word about the possibility of >> a direct jump (lenny → wheezy) nor if the first decission was going to >> be retired. > > The official upgrade process for Lenny to Squeeze was not as easy as a > simple dist-upgrade, and I wonder if Lenny-to-Wheezy would be too > difficult to work out. I can't imagine that those with Lenny aren't > encouraged to go Lenny-Squeeze-Wheezy. > > Truth be told, I'd just do a reinstall of Wheezy when the time comes. When I said "a direct jump" I was thinking on security patches support lifecycle, that is, in having lenny patches delivered until wheezy is released, not in running a direct upgrade. In fact I never do "in place" upgrades (which overwrites the last running system), I always install a new linux release in pararel, on a separate partition. With todays hard disks capacities space is not a constraint. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2012.01.07.11.03...@gmail.com
Re: Lenny (Debian 5.0) approaching end of life
On Fri, 6 Jan 2012 19:45:25 -0500 Tony Baldwin wrote: > On Fri, Jan 06, 2012 at 01:46:38PM -0800, Steven Rosenberg wrote: > > > > The official upgrade process for Lenny to Squeeze was not as easy > > as a simple dist-upgrade, and I wonder if Lenny-to-Wheezy would be > > too > > It really amazes me to see anybody say(write) this. > Having used several distributions (as mentioned), > I found the Lenny->Squeeze (my first Debian upgrade) to be amazingly > easy. Like falling off a log. > Come back and tell us when you've done a dozen servers. Everything in life is easy and works first time. except when it doesn't. Take a brand new clean and basic Debian installation, do an upgrade and it really should Just Work every time. Take a server which was originally, say, sarge, and upgrade it, and you roll the dice. It has had so many configuration changes made, so many extra scripts added, a few outright bodges, and you really can't be confident that everything will come through OK. A server upgrade is traumatic, and to be avoided where possible. The only thing worse is a clean installation, which you then have to spend a few days fiddling with to get everything working the way you want. I'm down to looking after my own server and one for a client, and my own lenny-to-squeeze upgrade went easily. But I had spent some time studying the upgrade notes, and I could see significant work there if I was doing certain things differently. As it was, I was worried about the FreeRADIUS server, which I had compiled myself, an experience I had no wish to repeat. The squeeze FreeRADIUS now had SSL support built-in, so would my hand-compiled version upgrade smoothly? It did, but there was no way to predict that, and there were still minor quibbles about switching to a dpkg-registered package from an independent one. Generally an upgrade *will* break a few things, usually when software is withdrawn from Debian, though sometimes when there is a major software version change. My previous upgrade from etch to lenny broke my mail server, and it took me a few hours and some determined use of dpkg to get it running again. The problem wasn't the software itself, but the heavily-modified configuration file, which left aptitude stuck with a partly-installed package which could neither go further nor be removed. I have no argument about Debian having a relatively smooth and well-researched upgrade path. The upgrade can also normally be done with only one reboot (possibly more after certain preparations, if they were necessary) with minimal disturbance to users. That's why so many Internet servers use it. Most recent Windows versions cannot be upgraded at all, Microsoft being reduced to producing scripts to ease the migration of users and data to a completely different machine. While I have dabbled with other Linux distributions in the past, it has always been easier to clean install a newer version and just copy data. It's only when a few years' worth of customisation is added that an easy upgrade becomes really important. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120107103458.00675...@jretrading.com
Re: Lenny (Debian 5.0) approaching end of life
On Fri, Jan 06, 2012 at 01:46:38PM -0800, Steven Rosenberg wrote: > On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Camaleón wrote: > > On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 15:10:19 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > >> On Vi, 06 ian 12, 12:11:36, Camaleón wrote: > > > > Yup, I did read it, but it does not say a word about the possibility of a > > direct jump (lenny → wheezy) nor if the first decission was going to be > > retired. > > The official upgrade process for Lenny to Squeeze was not as easy as a > simple dist-upgrade, and I wonder if Lenny-to-Wheezy would be too It really amazes me to see anybody say(write) this. Having used several distributions (as mentioned), I found the Lenny->Squeeze (my first Debian upgrade) to be amazingly easy. Like falling off a log. ./tony -- http://www.tonybaldwin.me All Tony, all the time! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120107004525.gb13...@deathstar.hsd1.ct.comcast.net
Re: Lenny (Debian 5.0) approaching end of life
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 04:36:49PM +0100, Camaleón wrote: > El 2012-01-04 a las 13:42 -0500, Tony Baldwin escribió: > > (resending to the list) > > > "Camaleón" wrote: > > > > >On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 10:54:29 -0400, francis picabia wrote: > > > > > >> There was discussion here a few months ago about there being no official > > >> date for end of life on Lenny. This has changed. I just noticed this > > >> item on the security announcement mailing list: > > >> > > >> http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2011/msg00238.html > > >> > > >> No new Lenny updates after 6 February 2012. > > > > > >Yes, unfortunately Debian team changed their mind at the middle of the > > >proccess. This unforeseen change forces me to keep my lenny systems until > > >wheezy is released which means having unpatched servers and workstations > > >for months ;-( > > > Why can't you use squeeze? > > -- > > Sent from my Android phone with GMX Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > Indeed, I do can, but I prefer to accomodate the span-life of the next > installation round to match the longest support cycle possible with the > less disturbances for me (admin) and my users :-) > disturbances? Have you upgraded a Debian from old->new stable before? You should just upgrade to Squeeze. Lenny was my first Debian (had tried to install woody years ago, but the installer never got my X working, on various hardware...weird... so I stuck with RH/Fedora from RH7.0 up to FC4, then played with ubuntu, pclinuxos, and a few others. RH/FC, Ubuntu, PC, etc., all frequently broke stuff on updtes/upgrades). So, the lenny->squeeze upgrade was my first Debian upgrade. EASIEST UPGRADE EVER! Seriously. Not only was I thrilled that Squeeze was released on my birthday, but I spent about 1 hour doing the upgrade, and was back in business as if nothing had changed (except, well, stuff was even better). No disturbances. I'm not lying. While I have tried numerous distributions in the past, after such a completely seemless and ridiculously easy upgrade, especially, and the rock solid/nothing ever breaks stability of Debian STable, I just can't imagine myself ever wanting to change to another distribution again. Ever. So easy to upgrade. ./tony -- http://www.tonybaldwin.me All Tony, all the time! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120107003342.ga13...@deathstar.hsd1.ct.comcast.net
Re: Lenny (Debian 5.0) approaching end of life
Canaima (debian derivative) made an update assistant [1] for the upgrade from it's lenny-based version (2.1) to it's squeeze-based (3.0), and everything worked out ok for users: they didn't have to reinstall. You can take a look at it's main script [2] (bash, comments in spanish). ¿Is this suitable for Debian? -- [1]https://gitorious.org/canaima-gnu-linux/asistente-actualizacion/trees/master [2]https://gitorious.org/canaima-gnu-linux/asistente-actualizacion/blobs/master/scripts/aa-principal.sh -- On 06/01/12 17:58, Lisi wrote: > On Friday 06 January 2012 21:46:38 Steven Rosenberg wrote: >> Truth be told, I'd just do a reinstall of Wheezy when the time comes. > > That's generally a good idea anyway! (IMHO, of ciourse.) > > Lisi > > -- Luis Alejandro Martínez Faneyth Blog: http://www.huntingbears.com.ve/ Twitter/Identi.ca: @LuisAlejandro ED51 8FE7 4107 715D 0464 8366 F614 5A95 E78D AA2E CODE IS POETRY signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Lenny (Debian 5.0) approaching end of life
On Friday 06 January 2012 21:46:38 Steven Rosenberg wrote: > Truth be told, I'd just do a reinstall of Wheezy when the time comes. That's generally a good idea anyway! (IMHO, of ciourse.) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201201062228.39352.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Lenny (Debian 5.0) approaching end of life
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Camaleón wrote: > On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 15:10:19 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > >> On Vi, 06 ian 12, 12:11:36, Camaleón wrote: >>> >>> Sure (this was also discussed in this same list, time ago...). The >>> possibility of jumping from Lenny to Wheezy was oficially mentioned >>> here: >>> >>> Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes >>> http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2009/msg9.html >>> >>> And this announcement was not corrected nor modified afterwards (unless >>> I missed something), so I managed the installation on my Lenny systems >>> having in mind such statement which it finally turned out to be not >>> possible :-) >> >> You probably missed >> http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2009/msg00010.html >> >> , >> | In the light of these goals and also in consideration of the Debian | >> community's feedback to the release team's initial announcement during | >> the keynote of this year's DebConf in Caceres, Spain, the Release Team | >> has additionally decided to revisit its decision on December 2009 as the >> | proposed freeze date. A new timeline will be announced by the Debian | >> Release Team in early September. >> ` > > Yup, I did read it, but it does not say a word about the possibility of a > direct jump (lenny → wheezy) nor if the first decission was going to be > retired. The official upgrade process for Lenny to Squeeze was not as easy as a simple dist-upgrade, and I wonder if Lenny-to-Wheezy would be too difficult to work out. I can't imagine that those with Lenny aren't encouraged to go Lenny-Squeeze-Wheezy. Truth be told, I'd just do a reinstall of Wheezy when the time comes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caldrw3pmpqftasjuhbdu9ec7dh4o3wu1o2ytbitkyi_t0t-...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Lenny (Debian 5.0) approaching end of life
On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 15:10:19 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Vi, 06 ian 12, 12:11:36, Camaleón wrote: >> >> Sure (this was also discussed in this same list, time ago...). The >> possibility of jumping from Lenny to Wheezy was oficially mentioned >> here: >> >> Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes >> http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2009/msg9.html >> >> And this announcement was not corrected nor modified afterwards (unless >> I missed something), so I managed the installation on my Lenny systems >> having in mind such statement which it finally turned out to be not >> possible :-) > > You probably missed > http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2009/msg00010.html > > , > | In the light of these goals and also in consideration of the Debian | > community's feedback to the release team's initial announcement during | > the keynote of this year's DebConf in Caceres, Spain, the Release Team | > has additionally decided to revisit its decision on December 2009 as the > | proposed freeze date. A new timeline will be announced by the Debian | > Release Team in early September. > ` Yup, I did read it, but it does not say a word about the possibility of a direct jump (lenny → wheezy) nor if the first decission was going to be retired. I think this kind of announcements and changes on project directions are important enough to get them properly addressed and communicated to the community. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2012.01.06.14.31...@gmail.com
Re: Lenny (Debian 5.0) approaching end of life
On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 05:33:08 +, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:36:49 +0100, Camaleón wrote: > >> El 2012-01-04 a las 13:42 -0500, Tony Baldwin escribió: (...) >>> Why can't you use squeeze? >>> -- >>> Sent from my Android phone with GMX Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >> >> Indeed, I do can, but I prefer to accomodate the span-life of the next >> installation round to match the longest support cycle possible with the >> less disturbances for me (admin) and my users :-) > > I can't give up on Lenny entirely, because my scanner doesn't work with > later kernels. You can delay it but you'll have to solve that issue sooner or later... anyway, have you filled a bug for that? Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2012.01.06.14.18...@gmail.com
Re: Lenny (Debian 5.0) approaching end of life
On Vi, 06 ian 12, 12:11:36, Camaleón wrote: > > Sure (this was also discussed in this same list, time ago...). The > possibility of jumping from Lenny to Wheezy was oficially mentioned here: > > Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes > http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2009/msg9.html > > And this announcement was not corrected nor modified afterwards (unless I > missed something), so I managed the installation on my Lenny systems > having in mind such statement which it finally turned out to be not > possible :-) You probably missed http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2009/msg00010.html , | In the light of these goals and also in consideration of the Debian | community's feedback to the release team's initial announcement during | the keynote of this year's DebConf in Caceres, Spain, the Release Team | has additionally decided to revisit its decision on December 2009 as the | proposed freeze date. A new timeline will be announced by the Debian | Release Team in early September. ` Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Lenny (Debian 5.0) approaching end of life
On 06/01/12 23:11, � wrote: > On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 12:36:07 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > >> On Mi, 04 ian 12, 17:37:42, Camaleón wrote: No new Lenny updates after 6 February 2012. >>> > it came out the possibility of having release freeze periods and the > above mentioned announcement lead me to think, in order to accomodate > to the new release plan, as a exceptional measure, lenny users could > jump to wheezy. > > However, it is still unclear to me if we have now adopted such stable > release freeze cycle, because wheezy is expected to be freeze on > June 2012 and not December 2012 (nor it was on December 2011) :-? > > Greetings, > See:- http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/06/msg02594.html Cheers -- Iceweasel/Firefox extensions for finding answers to Debian questions:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f06ecfe.1090...@gmail.com
Re: Lenny (Debian 5.0) approaching end of life
On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 12:36:07 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Mi, 04 ian 12, 17:37:42, Camaleón wrote: >> > >> > No new Lenny updates after 6 February 2012. >> >> Yes, unfortunately Debian team changed their mind at the middle of the >> proccess. This unforeseen change forces me to keep my lenny systems >> until wheezy is released which means having unpatched servers and >> workstations for months ;-( > > Could you elaborate on the "change of mind"? Sure (this was also discussed in this same list, time ago...). The possibility of jumping from Lenny to Wheezy was oficially mentioned here: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2009/msg9.html And this announcement was not corrected nor modified afterwards (unless I missed something), so I managed the installation on my Lenny systems having in mind such statement which it finally turned out to be not possible :-) > As far as I know (but can't find the reference right now) oldstable is > supported one year after a stable release or until the next release, > whichever comes *first*[1]. > > [1] Since Debian has been releasing once about every 2 years this > usually means oldstable is supported only one year after the release. You mean this doc: *** http://www.debian.org/security/faq.en.html#lifespan Q: How long will security updates be provided? A: The security team tries to support a stable distribution for about one year after the next stable distribution has been released, except when another stable distribution is released within this year. It is not possible to support three distributions; supporting two simultaneously is already difficult enough. *** Yes, I was also aware of that document at the time I decided to migrate from openSUSE to Debian. But -in the meantime- it came out the possibility of having release freeze periods and the above mentioned announcement lead me to think, in order to accomodate to the new release plan, as a exceptional measure, lenny users could jump to wheezy. However, it is still unclear to me if we have now adopted such stable release freeze cycle, because wheezy is expected to be freeze on June 2012 and not December 2012 (nor it was on December 2011) :-? Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2012.01.06.12.11...@gmail.com
Re: Lenny (Debian 5.0) approaching end of life
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 5:36 AM, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Mi, 04 ian 12, 17:37:42, Camaleón wrote: >> > >> > No new Lenny updates after 6 February 2012. >> >> Yes, unfortunately Debian team changed their mind at the middle of the >> proccess. This unforeseen change forces me to keep my lenny systems until >> wheezy is released which means having unpatched servers and workstations >> for months ;-( > > Could you elaborate on the "change of mind"? As far as I know (but can't > find the reference right now) oldstable is supported one year after a > stable release or until the next release, whichever comes *first*[1]. +1; woody, etch, and sarge followed the same schedule. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=sz1i+ks4waqdru9gy3wz4tafri832_04focrbptlnc...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Lenny (Debian 5.0) approaching end of life
On Mi, 04 ian 12, 17:37:42, Camaleón wrote: > > > > No new Lenny updates after 6 February 2012. > > Yes, unfortunately Debian team changed their mind at the middle of the > proccess. This unforeseen change forces me to keep my lenny systems until > wheezy is released which means having unpatched servers and workstations > for months ;-( Could you elaborate on the "change of mind"? As far as I know (but can't find the reference right now) oldstable is supported one year after a stable release or until the next release, whichever comes *first*[1]. [1] Since Debian has been releasing once about every 2 years this usually means oldstable is supported only one year after the release. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Lenny (Debian 5.0) approaching end of life
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:36:49 +0100, Camaleón wrote: > El 2012-01-04 a las 13:42 -0500, Tony Baldwin escribió: > > (resending to the list) > >> "Camaleón" wrote: >> >> >On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 10:54:29 -0400, francis picabia wrote: >> > >> >> There was discussion here a few months ago about there being no >> >> official date for end of life on Lenny. This has changed. I just >> >> noticed this item on the security announcement mailing list: >> >> >> >> http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2011/msg00238.html >> >> >> >> No new Lenny updates after 6 February 2012. >> > >> >Yes, unfortunately Debian team changed their mind at the middle of the >> >proccess. This unforeseen change forces me to keep my lenny systems >> >until wheezy is released which means having unpatched servers and >> >workstations for months ;-( > >> Why can't you use squeeze? >> -- >> Sent from my Android phone with GMX Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > Indeed, I do can, but I prefer to accomodate the span-life of the next > installation round to match the longest support cycle possible with the > less disturbances for me (admin) and my users :-) I can't give up on Lenny entirely, because my scanner doesn't work with later kernels. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/je612k$dek$2...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Lenny (Debian 5.0) approaching end of life
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John A. Sullivan III wrote: > And then there is Trinity (www.trinitydesktop.org) continuing KDE 3 > development. I am using it very successfully on Squeeze - John Yes indeed, when the Trinity mirrors are working again and the most irritating of the bugs in Trinity are fixed. I only got one of my three boxes working with Squeeze and Trinity before the mirrors went down, but cannot use removable media in that box because of some of those bugs. The other two boxes will not be upgraded to before next May. Will Wheezy be out by then? Ken -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAk8FzHAACgkQlNlJzOkJmTfmswCeN/4lO8vNBgsUDFAFqZcK1l+d PHAAnj/BcCVFX05OprXlZ6Lihtijwdey =jeA9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f05cc70.4060...@heard.name
Re: Lenny (Debian 5.0) approaching end of life
El 2012-01-04 a las 13:42 -0500, Tony Baldwin escribió: (resending to the list) > "Camaleón" wrote: > > >On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 10:54:29 -0400, francis picabia wrote: > > > >> There was discussion here a few months ago about there being no official > >> date for end of life on Lenny. This has changed. I just noticed this > >> item on the security announcement mailing list: > >> > >> http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2011/msg00238.html > >> > >> No new Lenny updates after 6 February 2012. > > > >Yes, unfortunately Debian team changed their mind at the middle of the > >proccess. This unforeseen change forces me to keep my lenny systems until > >wheezy is released which means having unpatched servers and workstations > >for months ;-( > Why can't you use squeeze? > -- > Sent from my Android phone with GMX Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Indeed, I do can, but I prefer to accomodate the span-life of the next installation round to match the longest support cycle possible with the less disturbances for me (admin) and my users :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120105153649.gb6...@stt008.linux.site
Re: Lenny (Debian 5.0) approaching end of life
On 05/01/12 02:43, tony baldwin wrote: >> - Original Message - >> From: Lisi >> Sent: 01/04/12 10:34 AM >> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org >> Subject: Re: Lenny (Debian 5.0) approaching end of life >> >> On Wednesday 04 January 2012 15:26:01 Tony Baldwin wrote: >>> On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 10:54:29AM -0400, francis picabia wrote: >>>> There was discussion here a few months ago about there being no official >>>> date for end of life on Lenny. This has changed. I just noticed this >>>> item on the security announcement mailing list: >>>> >>>> http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2011/msg00238.html >>>> >>>> No new Lenny updates after 6 February 2012. >>> >>> Ah...sadness... >>> Lenny was my first. >>> On the upside, Squeeze was released on my birthday last year (Feb. 6, >>> which is also the day of Lenny's demise...mixed feelings...). >> >> Lenny takes KDE 3.5.10 with it. I am happy with Squeeze replacing Lenny - >> execept that it has not got KDE3. I mourn its passing. :-( >> >> Lisi > > I use openbox, anyway. > I was a KDE user from about 2000 to about 2006 or 07ish, when KDE3 > came out. I didn't like it. > Now I really prefer light, efficient, simple. > > ./tony > -- > http://www.tonybaldwin.me > All Tony, all the time! > > Then you might like RazorQT Tony - it's very new, but it has the feature s of OpenBox and KDE:- http://razor-qt.org/ Cheers -- Iceweasel/Firefox extensions for finding answers to Debian questions:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f04c650.2050...@gmail.com
Re: Lenny (Debian 5.0) approaching end of life
On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 10:54:29 -0400, francis picabia wrote: > There was discussion here a few months ago about there being no official > date for end of life on Lenny. This has changed. I just noticed this > item on the security announcement mailing list: > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2011/msg00238.html > > No new Lenny updates after 6 February 2012. Yes, unfortunately Debian team changed their mind at the middle of the proccess. This unforeseen change forces me to keep my lenny systems until wheezy is released which means having unpatched servers and workstations for months ;-( Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2012.01.04.17.37...@gmail.com
Re: Lenny (Debian 5.0) approaching end of life
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:34 +, Lisi wrote: > On Wednesday 04 January 2012 15:26:01 Tony Baldwin wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 10:54:29AM -0400, francis picabia wrote: > > > There was discussion here a few months ago about there being no official > > > date for end of life on Lenny. This has changed. I just noticed this > > > item on the security announcement mailing list: > > > > > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2011/msg00238.html > > > > > > No new Lenny updates after 6 February 2012. > > > > Ah...sadness... > > Lenny was my first. > > On the upside, Squeeze was released on my birthday last year (Feb. 6, > > which is also the day of Lenny's demise...mixed feelings...). > > Lenny takes KDE 3.5.10 with it. I am happy with Squeeze replacing Lenny - > execept that it has not got KDE3. I mourn its passing. :-( > > Lisi > > And then there is Trinity (www.trinitydesktop.org) continuing KDE 3 development. I am using it very successfully on Squeeze - John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1325692330.7219.152.ca...@denise.theartistscloset.com
Re: Lenny (Debian 5.0) approaching end of life
On Wednesday 04 January 2012 15:43:12 tony baldwin wrote: > Now I really prefer light, efficient, simple. Horses for courses! Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201201041549.25004.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Lenny (Debian 5.0) approaching end of life
> - Original Message - > From: Lisi > Sent: 01/04/12 10:34 AM > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Lenny (Debian 5.0) approaching end of life > > On Wednesday 04 January 2012 15:26:01 Tony Baldwin wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 10:54:29AM -0400, francis picabia wrote: > > > There was discussion here a few months ago about there being no official > > > date for end of life on Lenny. This has changed. I just noticed this > > > item on the security announcement mailing list: > > > > > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2011/msg00238.html > > > > > > No new Lenny updates after 6 February 2012. > > > > Ah...sadness... > > Lenny was my first. > > On the upside, Squeeze was released on my birthday last year (Feb. 6, > > which is also the day of Lenny's demise...mixed feelings...). > > Lenny takes KDE 3.5.10 with it. I am happy with Squeeze replacing Lenny - > execept that it has not got KDE3. I mourn its passing. :-( > > Lisi I use openbox, anyway. I was a KDE user from about 2000 to about 2006 or 07ish, when KDE3 came out. I didn't like it. Now I really prefer light, efficient, simple. ./tony -- http://www.tonybaldwin.me All Tony, all the time! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120104154312.12...@gmx.com
Re: Lenny (Debian 5.0) approaching end of life
On Wednesday 04 January 2012 15:26:01 Tony Baldwin wrote: > On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 10:54:29AM -0400, francis picabia wrote: > > There was discussion here a few months ago about there being no official > > date for end of life on Lenny. This has changed. I just noticed this > > item on the security announcement mailing list: > > > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2011/msg00238.html > > > > No new Lenny updates after 6 February 2012. > > Ah...sadness... > Lenny was my first. > On the upside, Squeeze was released on my birthday last year (Feb. 6, > which is also the day of Lenny's demise...mixed feelings...). Lenny takes KDE 3.5.10 with it. I am happy with Squeeze replacing Lenny - execept that it has not got KDE3. I mourn its passing. :-( Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201201041534.44204.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Lenny (Debian 5.0) approaching end of life
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 10:54:29AM -0400, francis picabia wrote: > There was discussion here a few months ago about there being no official date > for end of life on Lenny. This has changed. I just noticed this item > on the security announcement mailing list: > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2011/msg00238.html > > No new Lenny updates after 6 February 2012. Ah...sadness... Lenny was my first. On the upside, Squeeze was released on my birthday last year (Feb. 6, which is also the day of Lenny's demise...mixed feelings...). ./tony -- http://www.tonybaldwin.me All Tony, all the time! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120104152601.gc32...@deathstar.hsd1.ct.comcast.net
Re: lenny hosting wheezy chroot
Hi, On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 11:15:29PM -0800, Ross Boylan wrote: > I am looking for advice on how to run a wheezy chroot from a lenny host, > in particular how to handle dev, udev, and X. > > BACKGROUND > > My system is running lenny and I wanted to use python 2.7. I upgraded > debootstrap from backports and then created a wheezy (actually, > "testing") chroot with --variant=minbase. After some rough spots (I > needed to bind mount sys and proc, and eventually /dev/pts, and install > a package so debconf could ask questions during the install) thing seem > to be running. > > Now I want to try mythtv in the chroot, which requires X, which I > believe requires /dev to be hooked up properly. The Debian Reference > for lenny provides some instructions about setting up using a different > virtual terminal Yes since it worked on earlier days, I wrote it. Maybe, by lenny it may have been outdated content. > (the current version does not: > http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch09.en.html#_chroot_system. > The lenny reference suggests running MAKEDEV. Most other sources suggest > mount -bind is the way to go, but some people caution this can lead to > trouble (and there were some Debian bugs > (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=623060_ in this scenario). > Anyway, some X start up codes and other packages had major changes which made it imossible for me to do this. I then said, heck .. too much troble. it is much easier using kvm or other newer technology. In order to avoid false expectation, I removed such contents. So I do not bother using chroot for X application any more. Please note we DD always use chroot for building pakcages. so chroot with bind mounting devices are valid for many situation. > FYI I have a single core P4 without hardware virtualization. This is > one reason I'm trying a chroot and not a VM. virtualbox is likely good choice. > I also thought a chroot would be simpler :) If it works :-) > I am not especially concerned about chroot > security, except in the sense that I don't want to inadvertently mess up > the host from inside the chroot. You can read through scripts such as pbuilder and schroot to see how people handle some issues. But they usually do not do X. I think use of or making your own backported package is the way to use such old box semi-stably. Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120103121859.ga26...@goofy.lan
Re: lenny hosting wheezy chroot
On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 1:15 AM, Ross Boylan wrote: > I am looking for advice on how to run a wheezy chroot from a lenny host, > in particular how to handle dev, udev, and X. > While it's not an answer to the questions you've asked, I just want to make sure you're aware of a project called OpenVZ which is sort of like Solaris zones, but on Linux (i.e.; you have virtual "containers" for systems, all of which actually share the same kernel, but are otherwise completely separate). Here's the Wikipedia overview: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVZ And here's some documentation to get you started if it looks interesting to you: http://www.howtoforge.com/installing-and-using-openvz-on-debian-squeeze-amd64 This sort of solution sounds more or less like what you're looking for, aside from your desire to run two different distributions concurrently (OpenVZ would not support something like that). Good luck with your project! -- Chris
Re: lenny->squeeze upgrade - failed with grub-pc upgrade
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Lukasz Szybalski wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 11:09 PM, Lukasz Szybalski
> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> In the process of upgrading from debian lenny amd64 to debian squeezy
>> amd64 I was able to successfully upgrade to kernel 32 and new udev.
>> Then after reboot I followed with apt-get dist-upgrade.
>>
>> Everything went fine, but towards the end I was asked to upgrade to
>> grub-pc. During this choice I was asked to specify mbr to install new
>> boot loader. I've selected my "flash" drive that I have used before to
>> hold my "boot" partition I believe.
>>
>> After restart I can only see "GRUB>".
>>
>> While Recovering from grub-pc install failure. I've started from cd
>> (rescue) mode. I then assembled my raid partition (sdb1,sdc1,sdd1) and
>> executed into shell of my lvm root group mapper_xyz_root. From there I
>> run "upgrade-from-grub-legecy" and this time I've selected my usb and
>> sda to install grub.
>>
>> Still no lock.
>>
>> Then I tried "update-grub"
>>
>> Now I get "grub loading...
>> no module name found"
>>
>> What should I do now? I've logged in with rescue cd again and now my
>> /boot partition no longer holds other files except for "/boot/grub/.."
>> What happened to my kernel files 26 and 32 that were on the /boot?
>>
>> What are my choices on installing grub-pc? Do I need "boot" partition?
>> What should be on it? Why did files got removed? Should I be
>> installing grub on my lvm root group? or sda? or /boot flashdrive?
>>
>> I would appreciate some guidance on this.
>
>
> LILO is not an option.
>
> I think the better question is where was the original grub installed
> (MBR?) and where is the new grub-pc (aka grub2 ) installed (mbr?)
> Will update-grub configure the whole system, or do I need to create my
> own config files? How do I install that to xyz sda mbr.
>
> Thanks,
> Lucas
>
"""
Lukasz Szybalski wrote:
> In the process of upgrading from debian lenny amd64 to debian squeezy
> amd64 I was able to successfully upgrade to kernel 32 and new udev.
> Then after reboot I followed with apt-get dist-upgrade.
You say "after reboot" and so you must have used grub to reboot,
right?
> Everything went fine, but towards the end I was asked to upgrade to
> grub-pc.
Asked to upgrade by asking you to run upgrade-from-grub-legacy
yourself manually from the command line? Or by some other means?
> During this choice I was asked to specify mbr to install new
> boot loader. I've selected my "flash" drive that I have used before to
> hold my "boot" partition I believe.
I think the most normal installation is to select your first raw
drive. That is, if you have /boot on /dev/sda1 and / on /dev/sda5 or
some such then you would install grub on /dev/sda without adding any
partition numbers.
**That is correct, I don't know why I thought I had a usb, but in this
computer I did not have a usb driver, so I should have selected
/dev/sda. In rescue mode I did that many times and it still failed.
> After restart I can only see "GRUB>".
Grub appears to be installed then. But the problem would seem to be
that grub's configuration file didn't point to the root filesystem.
** Correct, at that point I'm not sure if that was still grub 1 or
grub 2(grub-pc). (more on it below) The information below was very
useful after I gut the grub> menu.
At that point you can issue instructions to grub. You should be able
to get some good information. It is a little confusing to describe
but the most important thing to know is that TAB will expand and list
your possible options. Use this to explore your system at that point
and to see what is where. You can type in "help" to get a list of
commands available but that will produce a lot of output and will
overwhelm you.
At the grub prompt type in "root (" and then hit TAB to have it
complete. It will look like this:
grub> root (
Press TAB at that point and it will fill out to the available
options.
grub> root (hd0,
Press TAB again to have it list them out.
grub> root (hd0,
Possible partitions are:
Partition hd0,sda1
Partition hd0,sda2
Then select one of them and repeat to list the contents of that
filesystem.
grub> root (hd0,0)/
Possible files are:
lost+found/ System.map-2.6.32-5-686 vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686 grub/
config-2.6.32-5-686 initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686
That verifies that on my system hd0,0 (/dev/sda1) is my /boot
partition. Repeat again with the other partition numbers.
grub> root (hd0,1)/
Possible files are:
bin/ boot/ dev/ home/ lib/ lost+found/ media/ mnt/ opt/ ...
That verifies that on the system I tried that hd0,1 (/dev/sda2) is the
root partition.
So to manually tell grub what it needs to boot I can type in the
following:
grub> root (hd0,0)
grub> kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.32-3-amd64 root=/dev/sda2 ro
grub> initrd /initrd.img-2.6.32-3-amd64
grub> boot
Use TAB to complete the filenames to ensure that you have the right
location and to save you from typing in all of the d
Re: lenny->squeeze upgrade - failed with grub-pc upgrade
Lukasz Szybalski wrote:
> In the process of upgrading from debian lenny amd64 to debian squeezy
> amd64 I was able to successfully upgrade to kernel 32 and new udev.
> Then after reboot I followed with apt-get dist-upgrade.
You say "after reboot" and so you must have used grub to reboot,
right?
> Everything went fine, but towards the end I was asked to upgrade to
> grub-pc.
Asked to upgrade by asking you to run upgrade-from-grub-legacy
yourself manually from the command line? Or by some other means?
> During this choice I was asked to specify mbr to install new
> boot loader. I've selected my "flash" drive that I have used before to
> hold my "boot" partition I believe.
I think the most normal installation is to select your first raw
drive. That is, if you have /boot on /dev/sda1 and / on /dev/sda5 or
some such then you would install grub on /dev/sda without adding any
partition numbers.
> After restart I can only see "GRUB>".
Grub appears to be installed then. But the problem would seem to be
that grub's configuration file didn't point to the root filesystem.
At that point you can issue instructions to grub. You should be able
to get some good information. It is a little confusing to describe
but the most important thing to know is that TAB will expand and list
your possible options. Use this to explore your system at that point
and to see what is where. You can type in "help" to get a list of
commands available but that will produce a lot of output and will
overwhelm you.
At the grub prompt type in "root (" and then hit TAB to have it
complete. It will look like this:
grub> root (
Press TAB at that point and it will fill out to the available
options.
grub> root (hd0,
Press TAB again to have it list them out.
grub> root (hd0,
Possible partitions are:
Partition hd0,sda1
Partition hd0,sda2
Then select one of them and repeat to list the contents of that
filesystem.
grub> root (hd0,0)/
Possible files are:
lost+found/ System.map-2.6.32-5-686 vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686 grub/
config-2.6.32-5-686 initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686
That verifies that on my system hd0,0 (/dev/sda1) is my /boot
partition. Repeat again with the other partition numbers.
grub> root (hd0,1)/
Possible files are:
bin/ boot/ dev/ home/ lib/ lost+found/ media/ mnt/ opt/ ...
That verifies that on the system I tried that hd0,1 (/dev/sda2) is the
root partition.
So to manually tell grub what it needs to boot I can type in the
following:
grub> root (hd0,0)
grub> kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.32-3-amd64 root=/dev/sda2 ro
grub> initrd /initrd.img-2.6.32-3-amd64
grub> boot
Use TAB to complete the filenames to ensure that you have the right
location and to save you from typing in all of the details of the
version numbers and architecture type.
If that works then your problem is not your grub install to the boot
partition but rather your configuration for grub in /boot/grub/* that
is the problem.
> While Recovering from grub-pc install failure. I've started from cd
> (rescue) mode.
A debian-installer disk in rescue mode should work okay.
> I then assembled my raid partition (sdb1,sdc1,sdd1) and
Why did you need to assemble the raid? That points to a different
problem. The raid should be automatically assembled by the initial
ram disk (initrd) and if it isn't then you are past grub and onto the
initrd phase of boot.
Did you by any chance add a disk to the raid but not rebuild the
initrd image? The initrd has the UUIDs of every disk in the raid as a
copy of the /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf file in the initrd. If you have
added a disk to the raid and it is required for the lvm to start then
this also needs to be added to the initrd copy of the mdadm.conf
file. Otherwise it will fail to start the raid at boot time.
> executed into shell of my lvm root group mapper_xyz_root. From there I
> run "upgrade-from-grub-legecy" and this time I've selected my usb and
> sda to install grub.
I think you are mixing issues. I think you mixing up grub with raid
with lvm but really those are all separate. This is very easy to
become confused about but just the same I think that is what is
happening.
> Then I tried "update-grub"
>
> Now I get "grub loading...
> no module name found"
That I don't know.
> What should I do now? I've logged in with rescue cd again and now my
> /boot partition no longer holds other files except for "/boot/grub/.."
> What happened to my kernel files 26 and 32 that were on the /boot?
Mounted the wrong partition? They should still be there. Take a deep
breath. Remain calm. Try it again. They should be there.
If you have somehow wiped them out then you will need to either
recover them or reinstall them from the chroot.
I have upgraded many machines from Lenny to Squeeze and although I
think this upgrade has the more problems of any of the previous
upgrades I have never had any of the problems you have mentioned.
> What are my choices on installing grub-pc? Do I need "boot" part
Re: lenny->squeeze upgrade - failed with grub-pc upgrade
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 11:09 PM, Lukasz Szybalski wrote: > Hello, > In the process of upgrading from debian lenny amd64 to debian squeezy > amd64 I was able to successfully upgrade to kernel 32 and new udev. > Then after reboot I followed with apt-get dist-upgrade. > > Everything went fine, but towards the end I was asked to upgrade to > grub-pc. During this choice I was asked to specify mbr to install new > boot loader. I've selected my "flash" drive that I have used before to > hold my "boot" partition I believe. > > After restart I can only see "GRUB>". > > While Recovering from grub-pc install failure. I've started from cd > (rescue) mode. I then assembled my raid partition (sdb1,sdc1,sdd1) and > executed into shell of my lvm root group mapper_xyz_root. From there I > run "upgrade-from-grub-legecy" and this time I've selected my usb and > sda to install grub. > > Still no lock. > > Then I tried "update-grub" > > Now I get "grub loading... > no module name found" > > What should I do now? I've logged in with rescue cd again and now my > /boot partition no longer holds other files except for "/boot/grub/.." > What happened to my kernel files 26 and 32 that were on the /boot? > > What are my choices on installing grub-pc? Do I need "boot" partition? > What should be on it? Why did files got removed? Should I be > installing grub on my lvm root group? or sda? or /boot flashdrive? > > I would appreciate some guidance on this. LILO is not an option. I think the better question is where was the original grub installed (MBR?) and where is the new grub-pc (aka grub2 ) installed (mbr?) Will update-grub configure the whole system, or do I need to create my own config files? How do I install that to xyz sda mbr. Thanks, Lucas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKkTUv1igG5Hs80XqtQcadt7jcRgpqOSH9UscRohoT-Cd=d...@mail.gmail.com
Re: lenny->squeeze upgrade - failed with grub-pc upgrade
On Mon, 01 Aug 2011 00:09:36 -0400 (EDT), Lukasz Szybalski wrote: > ... > After restart I can only see "GRUB>". > ... > Then I tried "update-grub" > ... > Now I get "grub loading... > no module name found" > ... > What should I do now? > ... > I would appreciate some guidance on this. I agree with Stan. It's your system and it's your call. I don't know what you plan to do, but if I were in your shoes, I'd switch to LILO. I've had nothing but trouble with grub-pc. If you decide you want to switch to LILO, I recommend the following web page: http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/lilo.htm If you want to stay with grub-pc, stay on the line and maybe someone with grub-pc expertise will help you. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/405721977.1017844.1312242341589.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: lenny->squeeze upgrade - failed with grub-pc upgrade
On 7/31/2011 11:09 PM, Lukasz Szybalski wrote: > Everything went fine, but towards the end I was asked to upgrade to > grub-pc. LILO - Til you pull it from my cold dead hands! -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e368fff.3000...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: lenny to squeeze dbus-daemon
On Vi, 22 apr 11, 18:28:23, Camaleón wrote: > On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 12:34:26 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > > > I did my first server upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze the other day and > > dbus-daemon was installed automatically. > > You should have instructed apt to do not install recommended packages by > default. Depending on the box I have two approaches on dealing with Recommends: 1. low disk space Turn Recommends off, but beware of missing functionality 2. sufficient disk space Leave Recommends on, but inspect the list of packages to be installed, especially when the number of additional packages is more then say 5-10 to 1. Aptitude interactive mode is great for this ;) Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: lenny to squeeze dbus-daemon
Stan Hoeppner (s...@hardwarefreak.com on 2011-04-22 13:12 -0500): > ~$ aptitude why dbus > i libdbus-1-3 Recommends dbus > > ~$ aptitude why libdbus-1-3 > i dbus Depends libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2) > > It appears my only dependency is circular. Not necessarily. Sadly, aptitude why only discovers one reason, not *all* reasons. More specifically, it stops its search at the first non-automatically installed package. > Aptitude says both are > optional and not installed automatically. But, considering dbus was > not part of my Lenny system, nor Etch before it, it sure seems that > it was automatically installed by the Squeeze upgrade. Sadly, a dist-upgrade does not do a good job of keeping "automatically installed" packages automatic. Try the following: # aptitude markauto libdbus-1-3 $ aptitude why dbus > So, my question stands. Does (headless) Squeeze need the dbus-daemon > for something that Lenny did not, or can I safely remove it? $ aptitude -s purge dbus should give you that answer. On my two headless boxes, dbus is not installed, so it is not *always* required. But like other have said, it really depends on the services you're running on that box. Regards, Arno -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110423104308.77cb4...@neminis.loos.site
Re: lenny to squeeze dbus-daemon
On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 12:34:26 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > I did my first server upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze the other day and > dbus-daemon was installed automatically. You should have instructed apt to do not install recommended packages by default. > Dbus is strictly for desktops isn't it? Is this necessary on a > headless server? Can I safely remove it? You can remove it whenever not required by any other package/application. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.04.22.18.28...@gmail.com
Re: lenny to squeeze dbus-daemon
Erwan David put forth on 4/22/2011 12:40 PM: > On 22/04/11 19:34, Stan Hoeppner wrote: >> I did my first server upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze the other day and >> dbus-daemon was installed automatically. Dbus is strictly for desktops >> isn't it? Is this necessary on a headless server? Can I safely remove it? >> > > aptitude why dbus tells me avahi-daemon depends on dbus. And I use avahi > to publish afp (netatalk) and ssh services... That doesn't really answer my question. ~$ aptitude why dbus i libdbus-1-3 Recommends dbus ~$ aptitude why libdbus-1-3 i dbus Depends libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2) It appears my only dependency is circular. Aptitude says both are optional and not installed automatically. But, considering dbus was not part of my Lenny system, nor Etch before it, it sure seems that it was automatically installed by the Squeeze upgrade. So, my question stands. Does (headless) Squeeze need the dbus-daemon for something that Lenny did not, or can I safely remove it? -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4db1c4f5.6070...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: lenny to squeeze dbus-daemon
On 22/04/11 19:34, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > I did my first server upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze the other day and > dbus-daemon was installed automatically. Dbus is strictly for desktops > isn't it? Is this necessary on a headless server? Can I safely remove it? > aptitude why dbus tells me avahi-daemon depends on dbus. And I use avahi to publish afp (netatalk) and ssh services... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4db1bd78.5040...@rail.eu.org
Re: Lenny -> Squeeze : Apache2:LDAP SSL auth not working anymore
I'm having the example same problem after my upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze With SSL on this just gives me "Internal Server Error" without writing to the logs: ErrorDocument 404 default DAV svn SVNParentPath /var/www/usvn-1.0/files/svn SVNListParentPath off AuthType Basic AuthName "USVN" AuthBasicProvider ldap AuthzLDAPAuthoritative off AuthLDAPURL ldaps://myserver.mydomain.com:989/cn=users,dc=myserver,dc=mydomain,dc=com?uid AuthzSVNAccessFile /var/www/usvn-1.0/files/authz Require valid-user If I turn SSL off on the LDAP server the following works fine: ErrorDocument 404 default DAV svn SVNParentPath /var/www/usvn-1.0/files/svn SVNListParentPath off AuthType Basic AuthName "USVN" AuthBasicProvider ldap AuthzLDAPAuthoritative off AuthLDAPURL ldap://myserver.mydomain.com:389/cn=users,dc=myserver,dc=mydomain,dc=com?uid AuthzSVNAccessFile /var/www/usvn-1.0/files/authz Require valid-user -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/7aecb912-7d3b-47a3-a0e0-361b38890...@gmail.com
Re: Lenny-to-Squeeze: ... and no net. (Sorry, reSending)
Andrei Popescu wrote: On Lu, 21 feb 11, 10:01:42, PMA wrote: I gather from docs that the problem was my ISDN connection which, after the reboot following "install -udev", Squeeze simply disabled. I'm not sure what you mean here. httpd://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s01.en, just before Sec 2.1.6.1, says "ISDN is supported, but not during the installation". So I've now on another box downloaded debian-6.0.0-i386-DVD-1-iso and cat'd it to a usb stick; then on my half-upgraded box mounted the stick on /media/usbdisk and edited /etc/apt/sources.list to say just deb file:/media/usbdisk stable main contrib And now I've run "apt-get update", which responds Get:1 file: stable Release 900B [though] Ign file: ... [the specified components] At this point, can I safely proceed with "apt-get dist-upgrade" (the upgrade-doc's first command (4.4.6) after that reboot)? It's difficult to say, because I don't know if the first DVD has all the needed packages to upgrade your box to squeeze. Maybe you should post here the output of 'apt-get dist-upgrade -s' (-s means "simulate"). The DVD need only go far enough to re-establish net access. Once the install process finished, I'd continue via the net as originally intended. But in any case, I have switched tracks here: saved aside all my "stuff", wiped the system disk clean, installed Squeeze from scratch via the stick, brought my stuff back -- and Voila!, everything works. It's tempting to think that this strategy -- where feasible, of course -- would also be preferable for anyone. Or maybe I was just lucky. Thanks for your caution. Pete Hope this helps, Andrei -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d6953d9.3020...@aya.yale.edu
Re: Lenny-to-Squeeze: ... and no net. (Sorry, reSending)
On Lu, 21 feb 11, 10:01:42, PMA wrote: > > I gather from docs that the problem was my ISDN connection which, > after the reboot following "install -udev", Squeeze simply disabled. I'm not sure what you mean here. > So I've now on another box downloaded debian-6.0.0-i386-DVD-1-iso > and cat'd it to a usb stick; then on my half-upgraded box mounted the > stick on /media/usbdisk and edited /etc/apt/sources.list to say just >deb file:/media/usbdisk stable main contrib > And now I've run "apt-get update", which responds >Get:1 file: stable Release 900B > [though] Ign file: ... [the specified components] > > At this point, can I safely proceed with "apt-get dist-upgrade" > (the upgrade-doc's first command (4.4.6) after that reboot)? It's difficult to say, because I don't know if the first DVD has all the needed packages to upgrade your box to squeeze. Maybe you should post here the output of 'apt-get dist-upgrade -s' (-s means "simulate"). Hope this helps, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Lenny-to-Squeeze: ... and no net. (Sorry, reSending)
On Sun, 2011-02-13 at 13:04 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Sb, 12 feb 11, 20:43:55, armst...@eskimo.com wrote: > > Hi List. > > > > In the midst of upgrading Lenny to Squeeze - specifically, upon reboot after > > installing the new kernel and udev - I find that: > > > > 1) My external hard drive, whose partitions Lenny had always happily mounted > >with fstab lines like "/dev/sdc1 /mnt/u/0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0", > >gets no mounts at all. > > Is this copy-pasted from fstab? > > >FYI: the drive isn't completely ignored, as a kern.log line lists all its > >partitions; and I am able to mount each manually using the old syntax. > > Could you please post the relevant log lines and exact comand line that > works > > >Does Squeeze require upgraded fstab-entry parameters (in addition > >to the > >new device specification)? Or -- what else should I be asking? > > Device names may change from hda to sda and so, I'm not aware of other > changes. > > > 2) There is no net connection. (So I'm writing this from another computer.) > >And dmesg.0 now mentions "Tigon3". Does this mean that I need to append > >"contrib non-free" after "main" in /etc/sources.list, and then re-execute > >"apt-get upgrade"? And then re-install both the new kernel and udev? > > This lacks a lot of information to be able to start guessing what's > wrong and it would be better to start a separate thread about it. - MY APOLOGIES FOR RESENDING. Iceweasel mishandled a lot of my mail -- maybe this, maybe your reply. If you have responded already, please resend as well. (I've got Iceape Mail instead now, working ok.) Hi again, Andrei. I gather from docs that the problem was my ISDN connection which, after the reboot following "install -udev", Squeeze simply disabled. So I've now on another box downloaded debian-6.0.0-i386-DVD-1-iso and cat'd it to a usb stick; then on my half-upgraded box mounted the stick on /media/usbdisk and edited /etc/apt/sources.list to say just deb file:/media/usbdisk stable main contrib And now I've run "apt-get update", which responds Get:1 file: stable Release 900B [though] Ign file: ... [the specified components] At this point, can I safely proceed with "apt-get dist-upgrade" (the upgrade-doc's first command (4.4.6) after that reboot)? Thanks again for your time. Pete P.S. The "missing mounts" issue (stupid mistake of mine) is fixed. > Please include at a minimum your /etc/network/interfaces (or mention if > you use network-manager), the relevant lspci line, the relevant lines in > dmesg and the output of 'ifconfig -a' and 'uname -a'. > > Regards, > Andrei -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d627e56.3080...@aya.yale.edu
Re: Lenny and 2TB USB drive
Checking 'dmesg' was the answer. It showed that the drive WAS being seen. I did a manual mount and everything worked properly. I also did the same with another 2TB drive with NTFS. Again, a manual mount worked. This tells me the difference between the 1TB and 2TB drives is in the way auto-mount handles them. Since I can get what I need working, I'm not going to persue the matter furfher. Thanks for the help. John Salmon salmo...@comcast.net On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 17:30 +, Camaleón wrote: > On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:36:11 -0600, John Salmon wrote: > > > I'm still living comfortably in Lenny-land. I tried to attach a 2 TB USB > > drive to both of my Linux systems with no success. The drive formats to > > ext3 format using mke2fs with no problem, but won't mount for use. The > > same procedure works fine with 1 IB drives on either system. I assume > > this is a limitation with the installed USB drivers. Is this something > > that will be taken care of in the near future? I wanted to use the 2 TB > > drive as backup for my 1 TB drives, plus backup to upgrade from Lenny. > > Hum... did you create the partition table before formatting? > > BTW, what does "dmesg" say when you connect the drive? > > Greetings, > > -- > Camaleón > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1298214319.3418.8.camel@peace
Re: Lenny and 2TB USB drive
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:36:11 -0600, John Salmon wrote: > I'm still living comfortably in Lenny-land. I tried to attach a 2 TB USB > drive to both of my Linux systems with no success. The drive formats to > ext3 format using mke2fs with no problem, but won't mount for use. The > same procedure works fine with 1 IB drives on either system. I assume > this is a limitation with the installed USB drivers. Is this something > that will be taken care of in the near future? I wanted to use the 2 TB > drive as backup for my 1 TB drives, plus backup to upgrade from Lenny. Hum... did you create the partition table before formatting? BTW, what does "dmesg" say when you connect the drive? Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.02.18.17.30...@gmail.com
Re: Lenny-to-Squeeze: missing mounts, and no net.
On Sb, 12 feb 11, 20:43:55, armst...@eskimo.com wrote: > Hi List. > > In the midst of upgrading Lenny to Squeeze - specifically, upon reboot after > installing the new kernel and udev - I find that: > > 1) My external hard drive, whose partitions Lenny had always happily mounted >with fstab lines like "/dev/sdc1 /mnt/u/0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0", >gets no mounts at all. Is this copy-pasted from fstab? >FYI: the drive isn't completely ignored, as a kern.log line lists all its >partitions; and I am able to mount each manually using the old syntax. Could you please post the relevant log lines and exact comand line that works >Does Squeeze require upgraded fstab-entry parameters (in addition >to the >new device specification)? Or -- what else should I be asking? Device names may change from hda to sda and so, I'm not aware of other changes. > 2) There is no net connection. (So I'm writing this from another computer.) >And dmesg.0 now mentions "Tigon3". Does this mean that I need to append >"contrib non-free" after "main" in /etc/sources.list, and then re-execute >"apt-get upgrade"? And then re-install both the new kernel and udev? This lacks a lot of information to be able to start guessing what's wrong and it would be better to start a separate thread about it. Please include at a minimum your /etc/network/interfaces (or mention if you use network-manager), the relevant lspci line, the relevant lines in dmesg and the output of 'ifconfig -a' and 'uname -a'. Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Lenny install can't use CD-ROM or flash drive
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 21:45:55 +, I wrote: > [Lenny 5.0.2 install failed to detect the CD/DVD drive.] On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:11:13 +, Camaleón responded: > Your BIOS could to provide additional options for the storage controller. > Have you tried, besides choosing AHCI, by explictly disabling "Intel > Raid" (if available)? Thanks. I looked for such options and found none. This motherboard (Intel DH55HC) doesn't support RAID at all. On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 21:45:55 +, I wrote: > (This is the ISO I happen to have, and I couldn't find newer Lenny ISOs when > I looked today.) . . . . . . . On 2011-02-10 23:47:13 GMT, Brian responded: > It may not help but: > > http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ That did help! Thanks. I had been looking at another site (archive.debian.org/debian/dists/) that only goes up to etch. An install CD with 5.0.8 (as well as one with 6.0.0) did manage to find the CD drive. Three seconds later, 5.0.8 (but not 6.0.0) failed to detect the onboard NIC. I took the easy way out and added a NIC card, and the install completed. Now I have a display problem. If I can't figure that out I'll ask in a new thread. Thanks to both of you for your help. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/loom.20110212t024708-...@post.gmane.org
Re: Lenny install can't use CD-ROM or flash drive
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 21:45:55 +, Steve Kleene wrote: > Today I got a new desktop and tried to install Lenny from a netinst CD, > as I've done several times before. The install starts and sets the > language but then fails at "Detect and mount CD-ROM" with these errors: > > "No common CD-ROM drive was detected. > ... > Load CD-ROM drivers from removable media?" (...) > There are quite a few posts concerning this error message. I tried just > a couple of suggestions, e.g. setting Configure Storage Controller in > the BIOS to AHCI instead of IDE. No luck. I now welcome any ideas on > how to get Lenny installed. Your BIOS could to provide additional options for the storage controller. Have you tried, besides choosing AHCI, by explictly disabling "Intel Raid" (if available)? Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.02.11.12.11...@gmail.com
Re: Lenny install can't use CD-ROM or flash drive
On Thu 10 Feb 2011 at 21:45:55 +, Steve Kleene wrote: > I also tried booting from an 8-GB USB flash drive, which I made with: > > cat debian-502-i386-netinst.iso >/dev/sdc I doubt this will work as it isn't a hybrid iso. You should be better off with http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en Section 4.3.2. > (This is the ISO I happen to have, and I couldn't find newer Lenny ISOs when > I looked today.) . . . . . . . It may not help but: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110210234713.GX32679@desktop
Re: lenny to squeeze upgrade health check....
>> I think with the next upgrade I am about to do I will back up the work I started to do the back up with nautilus as a user and then as well as backing up my work files I included the recommended /etc and var/lib directories that the upgrade procedure advises.. But the burner reader couldn't read certain files in /etc I think because they are root files and I am only a user.. I tried logging in as root in the gdm but it doesn't let you do that.. Maybe it would work if I fired up gnomebaker from a root terminal and then did the back up. Nautilus conked after a while so I switched to using Gnomebaker. I will try to copy what I can and then do the upgrade. Michael Fothergill -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/AANLkTi=kCMZHBAsMmkvVHRt-dwZEvJOXDYATFhCAx=e...@mail.gmail.com
Re: lenny to squeeze upgrade health check....
On Monday 07 February 2011 04:44:54 am Michael Fothergill wrote: > I think with the next upgrade I am about to do I will back up the work > files run this script, install a new a kernel and play around with > some of the other instructions and then finally do the aptitude > dist-upgrade and see how it goes. The other machine had no important > work files on it. I am thinking, from release notes and comments, 'apt-get upgrade' first , to safely upgrade all packages that don't require new depends or deletions. Install the new kernel, reboot, then you can use aptitude or apt-get to finish. It seems dl the non-free firmware package and having it available would be a good practice to get into for upgrades, (esp laptops) at least being aware that firware policy has changed for Squeeze. -- Peace, Greg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201102071602.13253.gomadtr...@gci.net
Re: lenny to squeeze upgrade health check....
On Mon, Feb 07, 2011 at 03:27:21PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote: > >> # script -t 2>~/upgrade-squeeze.time -a ~/upgrade-squeeze.script > > > > But how do you turn it off? I mean after the upgrade is over and you > don't need it any more do you type something in like script -stop > ~/upgrade-squeeze.time? > > Or does it stop automatically once you log off or power down? From the Release Notes, section 4.4.1: "After you have completed the upgrade, you can stop script by typing exit at the prompt." signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: lenny to squeeze upgrade health check....
>> # script -t 2>~/upgrade-squeeze.time -a ~/upgrade-squeeze.script > > This is not specific to the upgrade, it can be used at any time (almost). > It records the screen and any text printed to it or entered from the > keyboard. What's more, you can replay it at different speeds if you like -- > slow it down or speed it up (not on the fly). Thanks for the suggestions here.. But how do you turn it off? I mean after the upgrade is over and you don't need it any more do you type something in like script -stop ~/upgrade-squeeze.time? Or does it stop automatically once you log off or power down? Regards Michael Fothergill -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktiknxs7n5zrx4ddvnntlji3uktqqoo0ec7urk...@mail.gmail.com
Re: lenny to squeeze upgrade health check....
Hi Michael, Michael Fothergill wrote: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes # script -t 2>~/upgrade-squeeze.time -a ~/upgrade-squeeze.script This is not specific to the upgrade, it can be used at any time (almost). A very dumb question I have about this is do you do aptitude dist-upgrade before you run this command or afterward? There doesn't seem to be much point trying to collect something before you have started to do it Would it crash because it couldn't find any squeeze upgrade activity if you ran it before you started the upgrade? It records the screen and any text printed to it or entered from the keyboard. What's more, you can replay it at different speeds if you like -- slow it down or speed it up (not on the fly). Very handy to record any activities and you can start it any time you like. Combine with screen and you've got a great way to "document" the task. Having a script of a normal install process would be fantastic; I'm sure it could be added easily enough too! Cheers -- Kind Regards AndrewM Andrew McGlashan Broadband Solutions now including VoIP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d5009f7.4010...@affinityvision.com.au
Re: lenny to squeeze upgrade health check....
> > http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes OK, I went and read it. I also installed gdm on the current machine and it fixed the window manager problem. Now I want upgrade another machine from Lenny to Squeeze so I am going to try and do it more carefully this time. I notice that you can keep a log of the upgrade itself using # script -t 2>~/upgrade-squeeze.time -a ~/upgrade-squeeze.script A very dumb question I have about this is do you do aptitude dist-upgrade before you run this command or afterward? There doesn't seem to be much point trying to collect something before you have started to do it Would it crash because it couldn't find any squeeze upgrade activity if you ran it before you started the upgrade? I think with the next upgrade I am about to do I will back up the work files run this script, install a new a kernel and play around with some of the other instructions and then finally do the aptitude dist-upgrade and see how it goes. The other machine had no important work files on it. Regards Michael Fothergill -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikbwk+m2ixcfq4sj81zbtn8at6yg+io+pwyo...@mail.gmail.com
Re: lenny to squeeze upgrade health check....
On Sunday 06 February 2011 12:13:33 pm Michael Fothergill wrote: > Dear Folks, > > I upgraded from Lenny to Squeeze on my AMD64 box. It did work but I > got some grumbles about the package grabbing applet not being able to > find some files it wanted from the repositories and some grumbling > about one or two disorganised package dependencies in Openoffice and > other minor grumbles. > > But I am running it nevertheless. What commands could I run to do a > sort of upgrade health check? Something like aptitude > sniff-out-bad-dependencies > and aptitude try-to-repair-them-if -possible? > > I used the mirror.ox.ac.uk as the repository. ftp.uk.debian.org > seemed to be out of commission for a while but I think it is working > again now. > > Comments appreciated. > > Michael Fothergill > > P.S. The window managing program that starts xwindows automatically > from the login prompt doesn't seem to have installed so I am having to > type startx at the terminal but then gnome fires up OK. http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes esp. chapter 4: 4.4.6 upgrading kernel & udev. Failures of X are logged in '/var/log/Xorg.0.log' One thing I noticed is apt-get is recommended now, for more tasks. -- Peace, Greg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201102061324.03322.gomadtr...@gci.net
Re: lenny to squeeze upgrade health check....
In , Michael Fothergill wrote: >I upgraded from Lenny to Squeeze on my AMD64 box. It did work but I >got some grumbles about the package grabbing applet not being able to >find some files it wanted from the repositories and some grumbling >about one or two disorganised package dependencies in Openoffice and >other minor grumbles. Did you read the Squeeze release notes and follow the upgrade instructions therein? If not, the upgrade likely didn't complete correctly. >But I am running it nevertheless. What commands could I run to do a >sort of upgrade health check? Something like aptitude >sniff-out-bad-dependencies >and aptitude try-to-repair-them-if -possible? (aptitude install) or (apt-get install) actually do both of those automatically. (apt-get -f install) works harder at it, but (aptitude install) can use the interactive resolver for tough situations. >P.S. The window managing program that starts xwindows automatically >from the login prompt doesn't seem to have installed so I am having to >type startx at the terminal but then gnome fires up OK. Make sure you have gdm, kdm, or xdm installed and that it is running correctly. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[SOLVED] Re: Lenny -> Squeeze kernel upgrade
Very helpful, thank you Bob! Mark On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: > Mark wrote: > > Since I have kernel 2.6.26-2-686 just as the Release Notes say, I thought > I > > would have to install linux-image-2.6.32-x-686 (for example), instead of > " > > linux-image-2.6-686". > > > > Can anyone help clarify please? > > The linux-image-2.6-686 package is a metapackage that exists only to > depend upon the latest kernel package linux-image-2.6.32-x-686. It is > designed to pull in upgrades. That is why the release notes say to > install it. Installing the metapackage also installs the latest point > release kernel. > > What is the point of confusion over linux-image-2.6.32-x-686? Sure > you can avoid the metapackage and install it manually. But then you > will always have to install the latest point release manually. That > isn't as good. It is better to follow the release notes and install > the metapackage so that the latest point release kernel is installed > automatically when you install security upgrades. > > Note that a lot of Linux kernel users install their own custom kernel > for custom hardware support. They are the ones that the release notes > are dancing around. They won't have the stock kernel installed. > Since you do you don't need to worry about it. Just follow the > release notes and install the linux-image-2.6-686 kernel. >
Re: Lenny -> Squeeze kernel upgrade
Mark wrote: > Since I have kernel 2.6.26-2-686 just as the Release Notes say, I thought I > would have to install linux-image-2.6.32-x-686 (for example), instead of " > linux-image-2.6-686". > > Can anyone help clarify please? The linux-image-2.6-686 package is a metapackage that exists only to depend upon the latest kernel package linux-image-2.6.32-x-686. It is designed to pull in upgrades. That is why the release notes say to install it. Installing the metapackage also installs the latest point release kernel. What is the point of confusion over linux-image-2.6.32-x-686? Sure you can avoid the metapackage and install it manually. But then you will always have to install the latest point release manually. That isn't as good. It is better to follow the release notes and install the metapackage so that the latest point release kernel is installed automatically when you install security upgrades. Note that a lot of Linux kernel users install their own custom kernel for custom hardware support. They are the ones that the release notes are dancing around. They won't have the stock kernel installed. Since you do you don't need to worry about it. Just follow the release notes and install the linux-image-2.6-686 kernel. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Lenny Apache2: ReverseProxy -> https -> http://localhost:port
Denny Schierz wrote: > nothing helps. It's all the same. Maybe a bug, or unsupported. Or a > configuration problem with the proxy module > > hmmm Hmm... Works okay for me. What modules do you have enabled? ls /etc/apache2/mods-enabled If you do not have the proxy modules enabled then enable them, restart, and try again. a2enmod proxy a2enmod proxy_balancer a2enmod proxy_http a2enmod rewrite /etc/init.d/apache2 restart I am not sure what modules are needed. You may need to try a few things. I think those are needed at the least. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Lenny Apache2: ReverseProxy -> https -> http://localhost:port
hi, Am Montag, den 24.01.2011, 11:41 -0700 schrieb Bob Proulx: > Turn the rewrite engine on and then try it again. I think that is the > missing component for you. > > RewriteEngine On nothing helps. It's all the same. Maybe a bug, or unsupported. Or a configuration problem with the proxy module hmmm cu denny signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Lenny or Squeeze?
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 07:29:46PM +0100, Klistvud wrote: > Dne, 25. 01. 2011 18:59:24 je Matt Harrison napisal(a): > >I really don't want to just > >finish customizing Lenny to the way I want it to only have an upgrade > >reinstall all of the packages that I just uninstalled. > > You answered your own question. For best OOBE, wait 10 days for > Squeeze to get stable, then install it! > I remember installing squeeze from a lenny business card install, maybe by selecting testing repositories? I was probably in expert mode. I imagine I then had to upgrade the kernel of the "base install." -- Regards, Freeman "Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question. NO (or Linux) is the answer." --Somebody -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110126012204.GA9081@Europa.office
Re: Lenny or Squeeze?
On Tuesday 25 January 2011 16:48:58 Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Ma, 25 ian 11, 16:31:26, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > > (Migrating from Lenny to Squeeze is going to be a bit more of a pain for > > many users that the Etch -> Lenny upgrade. For most everyone, there'll > > be an extra reboot [or two] to get the udev / kernel stuff right. > > I got away with only one and that was due to grub1 -> grub2. I think the > udev/kernel issue was solved (or it turned out it was a non-issue?). Ah, good to hear. I figured it was possible to have udev support both the stable (Lenny) and stable+1 (Squeeze) kernels, which is normally a requirement for userland applications in Debian. I've already mostly switched my systems over to Squeeze, so I expect the release to go mostly unnoticed on my systems -- perhaps fewer updates, but I'm good with that. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Lenny or Squeeze?
On Ma, 25 ian 11, 16:31:26, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > > (Migrating from Lenny to Squeeze is going to be a bit more of a pain for many > users that the Etch -> Lenny upgrade. For most everyone, there'll be > an extra reboot [or two] to get the udev / kernel stuff right. I got away with only one and that was due to grub1 -> grub2. I think the udev/kernel issue was solved (or it turned out it was a non-issue?). Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Lenny or Squeeze?
On Tuesday 25 January 2011 11:59:24 Matt Harrison wrote: > However, that being said, I am looking to switch back. I know Lenny > is currently Stable but I have seen posts suggesting Squeeze will be > out within a few months hopefully so I am wondering if I should just > put it off until Squeeze becomes the current Stable or if I should > install the RC of Squeezeor...just install the current version of > Lenny and then upgrade to Squeeze when it becomes Stable. If you are comfortable managing mount points, doing your own partitioning, etc. from the command line, just install Squeeze using the debootstrap method from within Ubuntu. If you aren't, just wait for the 2011-02-06 release of Squeeze and install that. (Migrating from Lenny to Squeeze is going to be a bit more of a pain for many users that the Etch -> Lenny upgrade. For most everyone, there'll be an extra reboot [or two] to get the udev / kernel stuff right. For anyone using KDE related stuff, the transition from KDE 3 to KDE SC 4 might be near-traumatic.) In any case, the Squeeze release notes are a must-skim should-read for anyone wanting to install it. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Lenny or Squeeze?
Dne, 25. 01. 2011 23:02:32 je Joe napisal(a): On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 19:29:46 +0100 Klistvud wrote: > > For best OOBE, I see you also walk the Dark Path as well. Nope. That was sarcasm, like, erm ... saying "Debian EULA" instead of "Debian Free Software Guidelines" ;P -- Cheerio, Klistvud http://bufferoverflow.tiddlyspot.com Certifiable Loonix User #481801 Please reply to the list, not to me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1295994176.14659.2@compax
Re: Lenny or Squeeze?
On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 19:29:46 +0100 Klistvud wrote: > > For best OOBE, I see you also walk the Dark Path as well. The joys of marketing-speak... -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110125220232.3c662...@jresid.jretrading.com
Re: Lenny or Squeeze?
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 12:59 -0500, Matt Harrison wrote: > However, that being said, I am looking to switch back. I know Lenny > is currently Stable but I have seen posts suggesting Squeeze will be > out within a few months hopefully so I am wondering if I should just Squeeze is expected to be released on the 5./6. February. [0] > put it off until Squeeze becomes the current Stable or if I should > install the RC of Squeezeor...just install the current version of > Lenny and then upgrade to Squeeze when it becomes Stable. You could install using the rc2 installer, but there are still some problems. Check [1] and [2] > I know the Ubuntu upgrade between distros is crap so I really don't > want to just finish customizing Lenny to the way I want it to only > have an upgrade reinstall all of the packages that I just uninstalled. Debian has typically no problems to upgrade between releases. The key is to follow the release notes. They describe the complete process in great detail. [3] [0] http://lists.debian.org/20110118193635.gc4...@halon.org.uk [1] http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual [2] http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ [2] http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes -- .''`. Wolodja Wentland : :' : `. `'` 4096R/CAF14EFC `- 081C B7CD FF04 2BA9 94EA 36B2 8B7F 7D30 CAF1 4EFC signature.asc Description: Digital signature The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: Lenny or Squeeze?
Dne, 25. 01. 2011 18:59:24 je Matt Harrison napisal(a): I really don't want to just finish customizing Lenny to the way I want it to only have an upgrade reinstall all of the packages that I just uninstalled. You answered your own question. For best OOBE, wait 10 days for Squeeze to get stable, then install it! -- Cheerio, Klistvud http://bufferoverflow.tiddlyspot.com Certifiable Loonix User #481801 Please reply to the list, not to me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1295980186.14659.1@compax
Re: Lenny Apache2: ReverseProxy -> https -> http://localhost:port
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > Bob Proulx wrote: > >Denny Schierz wrote: > >> NameVirtualHost 1.2.3.4:443 > >> > > > >SSL name based virtual hosts are not yet supported. You should remove > >that line from the configuration file. > > Is that just because Lenny's Apache is really old? 'Cause Apache (from > upstream) has supported it for a while and I've had it in production (system > based on Ubuntu Maverick) for a number of months. It certainly is not supported in Lenny and that was specifically what the original poster says in the subject line. :-) Hmm... NameVirtualHost *:443 in Sid. Starting a new thread to talk about that topic since it isn't related to reverse proxies. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Lenny Apache2: ReverseProxy -> https -> http://localhost:port
In <20110124184103.gd30...@hysteria.proulx.com>, Bob Proulx wrote: >Denny Schierz wrote: >> NameVirtualHost 1.2.3.4:443 >> > >SSL name based virtual hosts are not yet supported. You should remove >that line from the configuration file. Is that just because Lenny's Apache is really old? 'Cause Apache (from upstream) has supported it for a while and I've had it in production (system based on Ubuntu Maverick) for a number of months. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Lenny Apache2: ReverseProxy -> https -> http://localhost:port
Denny Schierz wrote: > NameVirtualHost 1.2.3.4:443 > SSL name based virtual hosts are not yet supported. You should remove that line from the configuration file. > ProxyPass /calendars/ http://localhost:8008/calendars/ > ProxyPassReverse /calendars/ http://localhost:8008/calendars/ > ProxyPass /principals/ http://localhost:8008/principals/ > ProxyPassReverse /principals/ http://localhost:8008/principals/ Not sure but I think you shouldn't have the trailing slashes there. ProxyPass /calendars http://localhost:8008/calendars ... It depends upon the effect you are trying to achieve and what level you are trying to proxy. I don't have the trailing slashes in my configurations so I must have decided I didn't want that at that time in the past when I set up my reverse proxy site. I don't have time to research it again now. (shrug) > The exactly same lines, works for the non-ssl virtual host. the log > says, > > "File does not > exist: /var/www/user/websites/foobar.bla/htdocs/calendars" > > the best: if you type in" https://foobar.bla/calendars/user/foobar/..."; > > the log says only: "File does not > exist: /var/www/user/websites/foobar.bla/htdocs/calendars" Turn the rewrite engine on and then try it again. I think that is the missing component for you. RewriteEngine On Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Lenny - xvinfo: No Adaptors present.. No XVideo
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 09:12:35AM EST, Camaleón wrote: [..] > Okay, just remember Squeeze uses a different set of driver (nouveau) than > lenny (nv), it is possible that you don't need to tewak anything there. Thanks, I'll remember this thread when I'm ready to switch to squeeze. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110117213247.GA11185@pavo.local
Re: Lenny - xvinfo: No Adaptors present.. No XVideo
On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 16:24:17 -0500, Chris Jones wrote: > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 06:58:54AM EST, Camaleón wrote: > Ten years I've been using X every day and apart from a few silly tricks > learned through experience.. I'm just about as ignorant as I was when I > started off. Read it as follows: you've had ten years of a troubleless X system so you should to be proud of that ;-) >> loading the GLX module using some part of the nvidia closed drivers... >> how is that possible? :-? > > Broken environment..? :-) Something was messed up, yep. >> Now look mine: >> >> *** >> (II) LoadModule: "glx" >> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so (II) Module >> glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.4.2, module version = >> 1.0.0 ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.3 (==) AIGLX enabled >> (II) Loading extension GLX >> *** >> >> Here is loading the Xorg stock GLX extension. > > I _assumed_ I might be able to conjure up some trick or other to switch > between the nvidia and nv drivers.. maybe not quite on the fly.. but at > least without having to reboot.. as a result, you caught me right in the > middle of testing possible solutions and I had not removed the nvidia > packages. > > As Sven rightly observed, what I had failed to notice was that since I > had no GLX at all loaded in my Xserver.. OpenGL programs did not work > any more.. But as Sven also remarked, this is a separate problem. AFAICT, you can have both drivers installed (at least in lenny), "nv" and "nvidia" and then adjust your "xorg.conf" file accordingly. In all the machines I have the "nvidia" driver installed it lives in harmony with "xserver-xorg-video-nv" :-) >> *** >> (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 >> (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device (--) >> Chipset Quadro FX 1500 found >> *** > > This log is lenny's.. and my card is unsupported by either ‘nv’ or > ‘nvidia’, so that would appear to be consistent. Well, your card is supported but not all features are available when using the "nv" driver, as it seems :-( >> I still don't see why are you so reluctant to "test" the closed source >> driver. Just to test, for seeing how it goes and if it solves nothing >> then at least you can decide the next step with confidence :-) > > Not at all. I tested it under squeeze where my card is supported and the > newer nvidia driver addresses the ‘black console’ issue. On the other > hand, I was experiencing extreme slowness in programs such as icesweasel > and a completely broken keyboard with stuff like the down arrow key > mapped to Mode_Switch (!) .. try to do a dpkg-reconfigure that brings up > ncurses screens with a broken down arrow. > > At that point, I decided that it made better sense to reinstall squeeze > at some point in the future and start again from scratch. The "black console" can be because in Squeeze KMS is enabled by default so, when using the nvidia driver, you have to ensure that KMS is off. > But since the card is working fine in ubuntu 10.10, I am not really > worried about getting this to work now. > > At this point, I am more concerned as to what completely borked my > out-of-the-box squeeze environment. Your card is very powerful and I'm sure you will get the best of it with the closed drivers, but I don't want to repeat like a loop myself by telling you the advantadges of using the nvidia driver :-) >> So you can test the closed driver in squeeze and see how it goes. If >> all is fine you can then install the latest driver available from >> nvidia site in lenny (it will require driver compilation). > > Thanks, but since within a few months I will have switched to squeeze > for my activities.. it's probably not worth it. After all, the only > thing (apart from DRI) that's not working in lenny, is that I have to > use the ‘x11’ video driver in mplayer.. and as a result, I cannot watch > the news full-screen. I can live with that. Okay, just remember Squeeze uses a different set of driver (nouveau) than lenny (nv), it is possible that you don't need to tewak anything there. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.01.17.14.12...@gmail.com
Re: Lenny - xvinfo: No Adaptors present.. No XVideo
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 07:26:08AM EST, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2011-01-15 12:58 +0100, Camaleón wrote: [..] > > It seems loading the GLX module using some part of the nvidia closed > > drivers... how is that possible? :-? > > Because the nvidia-glx package is installed, even though Chris does > not use it. This is bad because no program that uses OpenGL will be > able to run, but not directly related to the problem. Good catch.. > > And there is something more in your log it caught my attention: > > > > *** > > (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 > > (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device > > (--) Chipset Unknown NVIDIA chip found > > Yeah, the nv driver is too old and does not really know the card. > Should not be much of a problem, though. Just the XVideo stuff, where I'm concerned. > > I still don't see why are you so reluctant to "test" the closed > > source driver. Just to test, for seeing how it goes and if it solves > > nothing then at least you can decide the next step with confidence > > :-) > I wonder why Chris bought a laptop with such a powerful card in the > first place if he has no use for it. Intel graphics would have been > cheaper and also cause much less headaches. Incompetence..? :-) I needed a new laptop urgently because my 11-year old machine's display was on its way out, and when I saw a high-end machine from a year ago at 25% of the original price at the lenovo outlet.. with specs that should prove suitable for hopefully many years to come, I verified other folks had gotten it to work with GNU/linux. Since the laptop was not built to order, I was not in a position to make any changes to the configuration. I wasn't going to look a gift horse in the mouth. And who knows, contrary to the color calibrator, fingerprint reader, and other options that I have little use for.. I might find some uses to make up for the dollars this card is going to add to my electricity bill. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110116214031.GB4196@pavo.local
Re: Lenny - xvinfo: No Adaptors present.. No XVideo
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 06:58:54AM EST, Camaleón wrote: > On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 21:03:19 -0500, Chris Jones wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:37:11PM EST, Camaleón wrote: > > > > [..] > Some comments on the log... > > *** > (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so > (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" > compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 > Module class: X.Org Server Extension > (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 173.14.09 Thu Jun 5 00:07:40 PDT 2008 > (II) Loading extension GLX > ** > > It seems Ten years I've been using X every day and apart from a few silly tricks learned through experience.. I'm just about as ignorant as I was when I started off. > loading the GLX module using some part of the nvidia closed > drivers... how is that possible? :-? Broken environment..? :-) > Now look mine: > > *** > (II) LoadModule: "glx" > (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so > (II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > compiled for 1.4.2, module version = 1.0.0 > ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.3 > (==) AIGLX enabled > (II) Loading extension GLX > *** > > Here is loading the Xorg stock GLX extension. I _assumed_ I might be able to conjure up some trick or other to switch between the nvidia and nv drivers.. maybe not quite on the fly.. but at least without having to reboot.. as a result, you caught me right in the middle of testing possible solutions and I had not removed the nvidia packages. As Sven rightly observed, what I had failed to notice was that since I had no GLX at all loaded in my Xserver.. OpenGL programs did not work any more.. But as Sven also remarked, this is a separate problem. > ... > > And there is something more in your log it caught my attention: > > *** > (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 > (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device > (--) Chipset Unknown NVIDIA chip found > *** > > And now compare to mine: > > *** > (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 > (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device > (--) Chipset Quadro FX 1500 found > *** This log is lenny's.. and my card is unsupported by either ‘nv’ or ‘nvidia’, so that would appear to be consistent. > I still don't see why are you so reluctant to "test" the closed source > driver. Just to test, for seeing how it goes and if it solves nothing > then at least you can decide the next step with confidence :-) Not at all. I tested it under squeeze where my card is supported and the newer nvidia driver addresses the ‘black console’ issue. On the other hand, I was experiencing extreme slowness in programs such as icesweasel and a completely broken keyboard with stuff like the down arrow key mapped to Mode_Switch (!) .. try to do a dpkg-reconfigure that brings up ncurses screens with a broken down arrow. At that point, I decided that it made better sense to reinstall squeeze at some point in the future and start again from scratch. But since the card is working fine in ubuntu 10.10, I am not really worried about getting this to work now. At this point, I am more concerned as to what completely borked my out-of-the-box squeeze environment. > You said your card was "unsupported" and you maybe right. > > - Lenny ships "nvidia-glx" 173.14.09 and your card is not listed: > > http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.14.09/README/appendix-a.html > > - But Squeeze ships "nvidia-glx" 195.36.31 and your card appears > there: > > http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/195.36.31/README/supportedchips.html > So you can test the closed driver in squeeze and see how it goes. If > all is fine you can then install the latest driver available from > nvidia site in lenny (it will require driver compilation). Thanks, but since within a few months I will have switched to squeeze for my activities.. it's probably not worth it. After all, the only thing (apart from DRI) that's not working in lenny, is that I have to use the ‘x11’ video driver in mplayer.. and as a result, I cannot watch the news full-screen. I can live with that. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110116212417.GA4196@pavo.local
Re: Lenny - xvinfo: No Adaptors present.. No XVideo
On 2011-01-15 12:58 +0100, Camaleón wrote: > On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 21:03:19 -0500, Chris Jones wrote: > >> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:37:11PM EST, Camaleón wrote: >> >> [..] >> >>> Maybe it's time for you attach/upload the whole "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" >>> file :-) >> >> Hey.. why not.. >> >> http://pastebin.com/38DZcW7D > > Thanks :-) > > Some comments on the log... > > *** > (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so > (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" > compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 > Module class: X.Org Server Extension > (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 173.14.09 Thu Jun 5 00:07:40 PDT 2008 > (II) Loading extension GLX > ** > > It seems loading the GLX module using some part of the nvidia closed > drivers... how is that possible? :-? Because the nvidia-glx package is installed, even though Chris does not use it. This is bad because no program that uses OpenGL will be able to run, but not directly related to the problem. > And there is something more in your log it caught my attention: > > *** > (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 > (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device > (--) Chipset Unknown NVIDIA chip found Yeah, the nv driver is too old and does not really know the card. Should not be much of a problem, though. > I still don't see why are you so reluctant to "test" the closed source > driver. Just to test, for seeing how it goes and if it solves nothing > then at least you can decide the next step with confidence :-) I wonder why Chris bought a laptop with such a powerful card in the first place if he has no use for it. Intel graphics would have been cheaper and also cause much less headaches. Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87r5cemjz3@turtle.gmx.de
Re: Lenny - xvinfo: No Adaptors present.. No XVideo
On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 21:03:19 -0500, Chris Jones wrote: > On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:37:11PM EST, Camaleón wrote: > > [..] > >> Maybe it's time for you attach/upload the whole "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" >> file :-) > > Hey.. why not.. > > http://pastebin.com/38DZcW7D Thanks :-) Some comments on the log... *** (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 173.14.09 Thu Jun 5 00:07:40 PDT 2008 (II) Loading extension GLX ** It seems loading the GLX module using some part of the nvidia closed drivers... how is that possible? :-? Now look mine: *** (II) LoadModule: "glx" (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so (II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.4.2, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.3 (==) AIGLX enabled (II) Loading extension GLX *** Here is loading the Xorg stock GLX extension. ... And there is something more in your log it caught my attention: *** (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device (--) Chipset Unknown NVIDIA chip found *** And now compare to mine: *** (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device (--) Chipset Quadro FX 1500 found *** I still don't see why are you so reluctant to "test" the closed source driver. Just to test, for seeing how it goes and if it solves nothing then at least you can decide the next step with confidence :-) You said your card was "unsupported" and you maybe right. - Lenny ships "nvidia-glx" 173.14.09 and your card is not listed: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.14.09/README/appendix-a.html - But Squeeze ships "nvidia-glx" 195.36.31 and your card appears there: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/195.36.31/README/supportedchips.html So you can test the closed driver in squeeze and see how it goes. If all is fine you can then install the latest driver available from nvidia site in lenny (it will require driver compilation). Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.01.15.11.58...@gmail.com
Re: Lenny - xvinfo: No Adaptors present.. No XVideo
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:37:11PM EST, Camaleón wrote: [..] > Maybe it's time for you attach/upload the whole "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" > file :-) Hey.. why not.. http://pastebin.com/38DZcW7D Enjoy¹..! cj ¹ this is the log on ‘lenny’ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110115020319.GB4242@pavo.local
Re: Lenny - xvinfo: No Adaptors present..
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:06:51AM EST, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2011-01-14 09:24 +0100, Chris Jones wrote: > > I'm in the last stages of migrating my (mostly legacy) stuff to a newer > > laptop and cannot get mplayer to work as well as I had hoped on debian > > lenny. > > > > On my previous system with an old ATI Mach64, I specified the XVideo > > output driver and was getting pretty decent results. > > > > On the new system, with a fairly current nvidia video card, and the > > default ‘nv’ free driver, only the sound appears to work when I stream > > TV news channels or play .flv videos. > > The problem is that > > a) fairly current hardware may generally not work very well with a >relatively old system (Lenny's kernel and the nv driver are from >mid-2008), and Yes, we are agreed.. > b) the nv driver does not support the XVideo extension on GeForce 8 and >newer. I don't know if my card (Quad FX 3700M - mobile version) is newer. But on squeeze I do see it listed among many others in the Xorg log suggesting it might be supported. It is not listed in lenny's Xorg logs. > > Hoping that this might be a simple case of debian ’lenny’ being too old > > for my hardware and that I only needed to be patient and the problem > > would take care of itself, I proceeded to boot into debian ‘squeeze’, > > but unfortunately, I got the exact same results as on lenny: no video > > with ‘xv’, very choppy sound with ‘sdl’, and xvinfo outputs the same > > three messages as above. > > Which video driver do you use? Since I have no gaming needs or such, I was planning on using the ‘nv’ driver on both systems. > On Squeeze, nouveau is the default, and it does support XVideo here: > , > | % xvinfo > | X-Video Extension version 2.2 > | screen #0 > | Adaptor #0: "Nouveau GeForce 8/9 Textured Video" > | [...] > ` I tried to activate the nouveau driver which was indeed installed by default, but this eventually caused squeeze to freeze.. couldn't even ssh to the laptop from another machine. In any case, before the freeze, I did manage to run xvinfo.. same as with ‘nv’.. no adaptors present. > And what's your graphics card? Use "lspci -k" to also show its kernel > drivers, if any. On lenny, this is all I see that looks like a graphics card: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Device 061e (rev a2) Kernel modules: nvidiafb, nvidia But lsmod shows that these modules were not loaded. Looks like it's going to be a difficult card and I guess I should focus on getting it to work in squeeze at this point. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110115011539.GA4242@pavo.local
Re: Lenny - xvinfo: No Adaptors present..
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 09:20:37AM EST, Klistvud wrote: > Dne, 14. 01. 2011 09:24:32 je Chris Jones napisal(a): [..] >> On the new system, with a fairly current nvidia video card, and the >> default ‘nv’ free driver, only the sound appears to work when I stream >> TV news channels or play .flv videos. > It may be that the nv driver you use is simply slower than the > proprietary nvidia driver. At first glance, does not account for the fact that I do see some crappy video with other mplayer -vo's such as ‘sdl’ or ‘x11’. > See http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Installation-1 for > installing the proprietary nvidia driver from the Debian repositories. >> Hoping that this might be a simple case of debian ’lenny’ being too old >> for my hardware and that I only needed to be patient and the problem >> would take care of itself, I proceeded to boot into debian ‘squeeze’, >> but unfortunately, I got the exact same results as on lenny: no video >> with ‘xv’, very choppy sound with ‘sdl’, and xvinfo outputs the same >> three messages as above. > > Unless you have very specific needs, Squeeze is the way to go on a laptop > machine. Since it will happen any time soon, I decided it made more sense to wait till squeeze becomes stable.. > A more recent kernel, more hardware is supported, ext4 filesystem, > and so on. There is really no reason to stick with Lenny in your case > as far as I can see (but the decision is yours, of course). I have an up-to-date squeeze environment ready to roll.. but I'm having the exact same problem with it.. Looks like regardless of the version, ‘nv’ doesn't play well with my video card. >> I am not really keen on installing the ‘nvidia’ driver on the debian >> systems, > You can say that again. I ran a quick test about a month ago with the proprietary driver, plus patched kernel.. etc. and I what I saw was that hardware rendering worked fine. But the linux console was non functional. Let me login, type startx, etc. but all I could see was a black screen. Impractical for normal utilization.. This problem is fixed with the newer version of the ‘nvidia’ driver that comes with ubuntu 10.10. Ibid. squeeze, presumably. >> but on the other hand, it would be nice to be able to take a quick >> look at the news and such without having to reboot.. >> >> Is this situation to be expected, or is there any way I could get >> this to work? > I'm afraid it's the former. Freedom never comes cheap (i.e. without > sacrifice). I'll give the ‘nouveau’ driver a run for its money when I'm done switching to squeeze. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110114175521.GC4143@pavo.local
Re: Lenny - xvinfo: No Adaptors present..
On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 12:08:12 -0500, Chris Jones wrote: > On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 09:11:33AM EST, Camaleón wrote: >> On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 03:24:32 -0500, Chris Jones wrote: > > [..] > >> > Is this telling me is that the XVideo extension on the new machine is >> > not enabled? > >> You can check it: >> >> stt008:~# cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep XVideo (II) Loading extension >> XVideo >> (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation > > I saw these as well. > > Makes it all even curiouser since the only (EE) messages I saw were > relative to the touchpad - disabled in the BIOS so I need to comment it > out in xorg.conf - and slightly more to the point (but to be expected) a > message where Xorg complains about not being able to initialize the GLX > extension. Maybe it's time for you attach/upload the whole "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" file :-) >> Hum... I get output from two lenny systems running "nv" and "nvidia" so >> the problem must be in other place :-? > > What does xvinfo tell you on the system where you're running nv..? > > In other words, should I expect failure with the xvinfo output I am > getting, or should I just ignore it? In that machine running "nv" driver I've got this card: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G71 [Quadro FX 1500] (rev a1) Kernel modules: nvidiafb And I get this (full output): http://pastebin.com/QrQCQp17 stt005:~# xvinfo X-Video Extension version 2.2 screen #0 Adaptor #0: "NV17 Video Texture" number of ports: 32 port base: 355 operations supported: PutImage supported visuals: depth 24, visualID 0x21 depth 24, visualID 0x24 (...) No, it should not fail unless something wrong happens (like card/driver combo you use does not provide such support as Sven pointed out). >> The closed source driver for nvidia works quite well under my lenny >> systems, I have no complaints (easy to install and very stable). I only >> have it installed on systems where I need additional capabilities that >> "nv" driver cannot provide. > > I innocently thought I wouldn't need any ‘additional capabilities’.. > just watching the news once in a while.. no fancy 3D gaming or such > like.. Well, I have no problems for playing offline/online videos with the "nv" driver so if you are experiencing any issue with it, you can try with another driver or another media player >:-) > And since the ‘nvidia’ driver that comes with lenny does not support my > card, I figured installing it was both unnecesssary and asking for > trouble. What kind of card do you have? I really doubt is not supported by any of the nvidia drivers available in lenny :-? Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.01.14.17.37...@gmail.com
Re: Lenny - xvinfo: No Adaptors present..
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 09:11:33AM EST, Camaleón wrote: > On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 03:24:32 -0500, Chris Jones wrote: [..] > > Is this telling me is that the XVideo extension on the new machine > > is not enabled? > You can check it: > > stt008:~# cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep XVideo > (II) Loading extension XVideo > (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation I saw these as well. Makes it all even curiouser since the only (EE) messages I saw were relative to the touchpad - disabled in the BIOS so I need to comment it out in xorg.conf - and slightly more to the point (but to be expected) a message where Xorg complains about not being able to initialize the GLX extension. [..] > Hum... I get output from two lenny systems running "nv" and "nvidia" > so the problem must be in other place :-? What does xvinfo tell you on the system where you're running nv..? In other words, should I expect failure with the xvinfo output I am getting, or should I just ignore it? > > I am not really keen on installing the ‘nvidia’ driver on the debian > > systems, but on the other hand, it would be nice to be able to take > > a quick look at the news and such without having to reboot.. > > The closed source driver for nvidia works quite well under my lenny > systems, I have no complaints (easy to install and very stable). > I only have it installed on systems where I need additional > capabilities that "nv" driver cannot provide. I innocently thought I wouldn't need any ‘additional capabilities’.. just watching the news once in a while.. no fancy 3D gaming or such like.. And since the ‘nvidia’ driver that comes with lenny does not support my card, I figured installing it was both unnecesssary and asking for trouble. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110114170812.GB4143@pavo.local
Re: Lenny - xvinfo: No Adaptors present..
On 2011-01-14 09:24 +0100, Chris Jones wrote: > I'm in the last stages of migrating my (mostly legacy) stuff to a newer > laptop and cannot get mplayer to work as well as I had hoped on debian > lenny. > > On my previous system with an old ATI Mach64, I specified the XVideo > output driver and was getting pretty decent results. > > On the new system, with a fairly current nvidia video card, and the > default ‘nv’ free driver, only the sound appears to work when I stream > TV news channels or play .flv videos. The problem is that a) fairly current hardware may generally not work very well with a relatively old system (Lenny's kernel and the nv driver are from mid-2008), and b) the nv driver does not support the XVideo extension on GeForce 8 and newer. > Hoping that this might be a simple case of debian ’lenny’ being too old > for my hardware and that I only needed to be patient and the problem > would take care of itself, I proceeded to boot into debian ‘squeeze’, > but unfortunately, I got the exact same results as on lenny: no video > with ‘xv’, very choppy sound with ‘sdl’, and xvinfo outputs the same > three messages as above. Which video driver do you use? On Squeeze, nouveau is the default, and it does support XVideo here: , | % xvinfo | X-Video Extension version 2.2 | screen #0 | Adaptor #0: "Nouveau GeForce 8/9 Textured Video" | [...] ` And what's your graphics card? Use "lspci -k" to also show its kernel drivers, if any. Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87hbdbzcys@turtle.gmx.de
Re: Lenny - xvinfo: No Adaptors present..
Dne, 14. 01. 2011 09:24:32 je Chris Jones napisal(a): I'm in the last stages of migrating my (mostly legacy) stuff to a newer laptop and cannot get mplayer to work as well as I had hoped on debian lenny. On my previous system with an old ATI Mach64, I specified the XVideo output driver and was getting pretty decent results. On the new system, with a fairly current nvidia video card, and the default ‘nv’ free driver, only the sound appears to work when I stream TV news channels or play .flv videos. It may be that the nv driver you use is simply slower than the proprietary nvidia driver. See http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Installation-1 for installing the proprietary nvidia driver from the Debian repositories. Hoping that this might be a simple case of debian ’lenny’ being too old for my hardware and that I only needed to be patient and the problem would take care of itself, I proceeded to boot into debian ‘squeeze’, but unfortunately, I got the exact same results as on lenny: no video with ‘xv’, very choppy sound with ‘sdl’, and xvinfo outputs the same three messages as above. Unless you have very specific needs, Squeeze is the way to go on a laptop machine. A more recent kernel, more hardware is supported, ext4 filesystem, and so on. There is really no reason to stick with Lenny in your case as far as I can see (but the decision is yours, of course). I am not really keen on installing the ‘nvidia’ driver on the debian systems, You can say that again. but on the other hand, it would be nice to be able to take a quick look at the news and such without having to reboot.. Is this situation to be expected, or is there any way I could get this to work? I'm afraid it's the former. Freedom never comes cheap (i.e. without sacrifice). -- Cheerio, Klistvud http://bufferoverflow.tiddlyspot.com Certifiable Loonix User #481801 Please reply to the list, not to me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1295014837.6082.1@compax
Re: Lenny - xvinfo: No Adaptors present..
On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 03:24:32 -0500, Chris Jones wrote: > I'm in the last stages of migrating my (mostly legacy) stuff to a newer > laptop and cannot get mplayer to work as well as I had hoped on debian > lenny. > > On my previous system with an old ATI Mach64, I specified the XVideo > output driver and was getting pretty decent results. > > On the new system, with a fairly current nvidia video card, and the > default ‘nv’ free driver, only the sound appears to work when I stream > TV news channels or play .flv videos. You may try with the proprietary "nvidia" driver or test with another video player. (...) > In any event, I ran that same xvinfo command on the old laptop and got > about two screenfuls of output for my trouble, one line accurately > naming my video card somewhere near the top, followed by many lines of > cryptic output. > > Is this telling me is that the XVideo extension on the new machine is > not enabled? You can check it: stt008:~# cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep XVideo (II) Loading extension XVideo (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation > I have among other things a Ubuntu 10.10 system on the same laptop and > with the proprietary ‘nvidia’ driver, the xvinfo command produces output > similar to what I am getting on my former machine. > > Hoping that this might be a simple case of debian ’lenny’ being too old > for my hardware and that I only needed to be patient and the problem > would take care of itself, I proceeded to boot into debian ‘squeeze’, > but unfortunately, I got the exact same results as on lenny: no video > with ‘xv’, very choppy sound with ‘sdl’, and xvinfo outputs the same > three messages as above. Hum... I get output from two lenny systems running "nv" and "nvidia" so the problem must be in other place :-? > I am not really keen on installing the ‘nvidia’ driver on the debian > systems, but on the other hand, it would be nice to be able to take a > quick look at the news and such without having to reboot.. The closed source driver for nvidia works quite well under my lenny systems, I have no complaints (easy to install and very stable). I only have it installed on systems where I need additional capabilities that "nv" driver cannot provide. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.01.14.14.11...@gmail.com
Re: lenny -> squeeze with trinity
Mike Bird wrote: > Please contact me on list or off if I can be of any further > assistance. thank you for the compact information. I'm preparing a trinity on top of squeeze for further use of kde3. One problem I had was with tora+oracle and the other with kplayer using a dvbt card. I had to compile the old sources of kplayer with kde3. I could also build debian packages but not sure about it. anyway I could compile them only from within kdeveloper. from the command line I've got strange errors. May be it applies to other apps too. regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/igik3q$qh...@dough.gmane.org
Re: lenny -> squeeze with trinity
On Mon January 10 2011 17:06:34 Brad Alexander wrote: > Did an apt-get update (and aptitude update) and tried both an apt-get > dist-upgrade and an aptitude full-upgrade, and both wanted to > deinstall trinity. Hi Brad, There are a few minor conflicts that can be worked around. One I recall involves sudo and another involves desktop-base. After some experimentation we now use sudo-trinity instead of sudo, but desktop-base instead of desktop-base-trinity. In order to do this we remove both the desktop-base-trinity and kde-trinity packages, but we install most or all of their depends depending upon how much "stuff" is needed on a particular workstation. Some people (including us) have a problem with kdm-trinity, so we use kdm from KDE 4, which unfortunately brings in some extra KDE 4 libraries. We use phonon-backend-null here to avoid KDE 4 sound drivers. FWIW, I've appended our trinity seed package list. We install all of these "--no-recommends" except amarok-trinity. Also if you want a working ktorrent find an old copy of ktorrent2.2 as it is still by far the best. Trinity is well worth the effort. Our test users love it and it's improving far faster than KDE 4 (which as of our our last test a couple of weeks ago STILL can't install a working KMail). KDE 3.5: 9/10 Trinity: 8/10 KDE 4.4: 2/10 Please contact me on list or off if I can be of any further assistance. --Mike Bird amarok-engine-xine-trinity amarok-trinity exiv2-trinity gwenview-trinity k3b-trinity kdeaddons-trinity kde-core-trinity kdemultimedia-trinity kdeutils-trinity kgamma-trinity kghostview-trinity kipi-plugins-trinity kivio-trinity klaptopdaemon-trinity kmail-trinity knemo-trinity konversation-trinity kpdf-trinity kpowersave-trinity krita-trinity kscreensaver-xsavers-trinity ksnapshot-trinity kuickshow-trinity kviewshell-trinity kview-trinity kweather-trinity sudo-trinity kdm phonon-backend-null -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201101101748.50548.mgb-deb...@yosemite.net
