Re: WP 8 problem
At 16:48 20.12.98 -0500, Ed Cogburn wrote: We all *knew* it is commercial software, so why act surprised when Corel handles the WP8 free edition just like other commercial companies that release a 'free' or 'demo' version to potential customers? For crying out loud, they are asking only $50 or so for the full version, so stop whining. If you don't like it don't use it. Thanks for the nice suggestion, Ed. Hence we all have your permission not to use SW which we do not like! ric ___ Riccardo Tommasini University of Berne - Institute of Applied Physics - Laser Dept. Sidlerstrasse 5 - CH-3012 Bern FAX: +41 31 6313765 [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cx.unibe.ch/iap/ ___
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On Mon, 21 Dec 1998, Riccardo Tommasini wrote: : At 16:48 20.12.98 -0500, Ed Cogburn wrote: : We all *knew* it is commercial software, so why act surprised when : Corel handles the WP8 free edition just like other commercial companies : that release a 'free' or 'demo' version to potential customers? For : crying out loud, they are asking only $50 or so for the full version, so : stop whining. If you don't like it don't use it. : : : : Thanks for the nice suggestion, Ed. : Hence we all have your permission not to use : SW which we do not like! Sorry, but despite your sarcasm Ed is right on, as far as this list is concerned. If you're so upset by the way Corel has released their free version, complain to THEM, not us. We're not Corel, eh. -- Nathan Norman MidcoNet 410 South Phillips Avenue Sioux Falls, SD mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.midco.net finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP Key: (0xA33B86E9)
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ted told, otherwise, what DO I do if I get a Word7 file by email? You tell the sender politely (the first time) to send it in a real standardized format. For email, this means plain text (not mime) unless there is content (equations, tables, etc., or if it is a file being sent for the recipeint to use) that can't be displayed in plain text, and that it is both rude and wrong to use a format such as word or wordperfect for regular email. The second time, you open the file with a text editor that can handle it, and send the garbled text back :) Among the few recent benefits to modern civilisation which we in the UK can claim is the concept of being economical with the truth; it seems we have managed to convey it to others ... Ahh, so it's *you* guys that caused our mess in D.C. :) Couldn't you have stuck with bombarding us with extraneous u's :) rick, who finds George III to not be so bad compared with our last century or so :) --
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-Original Message- From: Riccardo Tommasini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ed Cogburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Monday, 21 December 1998 15:58 Subject: Re: WP 8 problem Riccardo Tommasini University of Berne - Institute of Applied Physics - Laser Dept. More to the point are there any good jobs for a PHD at Berne.
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This is bull pucky of the worst kind since it is inaccurate and off topic. ;^) Take a look at http://linux.corel.com/linux8/highlights.htm. ;^) This includes a Breakdown of Features for each Version which very clearly spells out what is and what is not included in each version. The description given of the download version seems to me to be a very complete word processor. The section on the personal retail version says very plainly that advanced drawing and charting applications are added. Only equation editting is not explicitly mentioned. If you had bought the personal retail version (on cd) you pro'ly could've returned it if you didn't like it for a refund instead of blowing your money on nonrefundable download fees. I don't think Corel intended to deceive anybody. I think some people got excited and didn't read carefully. Sometimes when you don't pays your money you still take your chances. Jack To: Charles Collicutt [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org (bcc: Jack A Walker/BII) Subject: Re: WP 8 problem At 22:53 18.12.98 +, Charles wrote: [] Charles, indeed I think all this satisfactory reports about WP8 and the fact that one should not have complains about limitations of free a software are an example of the poor's man happiness. The points are: - the cost it takes to dowload 23 MBytes of software, i.e. the phone bill. - the fact that corel never pointed out any limitation. - the fact that at no cost there are a lot of products much better than the free version of WP8. Hence congratulations to all the guys happy with such a bunch of useless code. ric ___ Riccardo Tommasini University of Berne - Institute of Applied Physics - Laser Dept. Sidlerstrasse 5 - CH-3012 Bern FAX: +41 31 6313765 [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cx.unibe.ch/iap/ ___ -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: WP 8 problem
In a message dated 12/18/98 3:10:06 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1) The filenames are in lowercase to begin with, I really can't see complaining if your download changed the case of the names. Granted, the What? Do you mean you got gui00.gz, gui[1-6]0.gz and not GUI[0-6]0.GZ files? You didn't, like all the others who mentioned this, get Upper-Case files? That's exactly what I mean. I downloaded gui0-6.gz AND guilg00.gz and got all lowercase file names - using IE 4.01 (yah, on my Win95 box). 3) The install instructions at download time specifically say gunzip it, then tar it. I have the printed page of the download screen in front of me. As I had plenty of reading time :-( , I have read it more then once. I am unable to find the info that says to gunzip the files. Which BTW was false anyway as the files were only tar'ed. I do see tho that the single file is listed at 23.6 Meg. Others report it to be 27 Meg. Yah, I don't know where the got 27M, mine was 23.6, or 23.2 for the 7 parts. Also, the directions on download.com said to gzunzip then tar the files. -Jay
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Thanks for the info. I think for someone like me in Australia it might be cheaper to order the personal CDROM. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Sunday, 20 December 1998 6:38 Subject: Re: WP 8 problem My only suggestion is to get the BIG 23 Meg file and not to bother with the 7 3-4 meg packages. They are a waste of time.
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What? Do you mean you got gui00.gz, gui[1-6]0.gz and not GUI[0-6]0.GZ files? You didn't, like all the others who mentioned this, get Upper-Case files? That's exactly what I mean. I downloaded gui0-6.gz AND guilg00.gz and got all lowercase file names - using IE 4.01 (yah, on my Win95 box). Indeed, Win95, IE4 and Office 97 all find you are too stupid to know how to capitalize your files and often do it for you... Just to make your life easier Anyway, what kinda stupid filesystem does take account of capitalized letters? (Translated in understandable english and quoted from a technical support message I had from Microsoft a few months back) Christian -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Case of WP8 installation file (was RE: WP 8 Problem
Guys (and gals,) I don't know what your problem is. Tar DOES NOT CARE in any way whether it extracts from FOOBAR.MY.FANCY.EXTENSION or GUIL001.GZ or GUIL001.TAR.GZ or guil001.gz or whatever. Just invoke it as tar xvfz filename and it will extract the Runme script and the other installation files. Then, invoke ./Runme and it will properly install WP8. It's really that simple, no need to mess around with the case of the name of the file you downloaded. Ralf -- Ralf G. R. Bergs * Welkenrather Str. 100/102 * 52074 Aachen * Germany +49-241-876892, +49-241-86 (fax) * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * PGP ok!
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At 13:22 18.12.98 +, Dave Swegen wrote: What do you mean useless? If you want a fully functional word processor with all the extra bells and whistles go download bloaty-hog staroffice. I find it rather amazing that people complain about something they paid nothing for. Granted they might have made it clearer that those functions are only available in the paid-for version. So don't be so bloody ungrateful and cheap - go and buy the full version (which doesn't cost an extortionate amount of money) if you want those features. Useless my arse... Dave it seems you are really a funny guy! Don't you aunderstand the problem? Ok, the problem is as follows: -Corel claims they release a fully fuctional release of WP. Then, after installing what is meant to be a word processor, you discover that you cannot insert graphics and equations. Do you think this is still a usefull wordprocessor? -Stardivision made the same a long time ago, and you really get a fully functional office suite. Now take your conclusions. ric ___ Riccardo Tommasini University of Berne - Institute of Applied Physics - Laser Dept. Sidlerstrasse 5 - CH-3012 Bern FAX: +41 31 6313765 [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cx.unibe.ch/iap/ ___
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Dear Richard, thanks for your suggestions about Lyx. I am starting to use and appreciate it. Until now I used XEmacs and I am always been happy about Latex. Of course I will appreciate the whole Latex package much more, with the capabilities offered by Lyx. Ric At 10:46 18.12.98 -0600, you wrote: have you tried a fairly recent lyx? It is very stable (there's only one or two ways known to crash it), and the equations are very easy. I bought a mac 128 in '84, and several more until I saw lyx's equations. It also has a patch for mail-merge, which I wrote after realizing that that would be easier than facing the modern Word-style merge again :) -- ___ Riccardo Tommasini University of Berne - Institute of Applied Physics - Laser Dept. Sidlerstrasse 5 - CH-3012 Bern FAX: +41 31 6313765 [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cx.unibe.ch/iap/ ___
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At 18:44 18.12.98 +0500, Wayne wrote: I find it a total waste of time and effort. I would not bother to even download it now _even_ if they said it was totally FREE. Dear Wayne, if you ever had success installin WordPerfect 8 you had found that it does not allow you to include equations and graphics. These two limitations made it even absurd to call such a software a wordprocessor. Forget it. ric ___ Riccardo Tommasini University of Berne - Institute of Applied Physics - Laser Dept. Sidlerstrasse 5 - CH-3012 Bern FAX: +41 31 6313765 [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cx.unibe.ch/iap/ ___
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At 22:53 18.12.98 +, Charles wrote: On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Dave Swegen wrote: all the extra bells and whistles go download bloaty-hog staroffice. I find it rather amazing that people complain about something they paid nothing for. Paid nothing for?! We have per minute phone bills here - downloading something that big which turns out not to be fully functional at all is in fact a waste of money. Downloading large files over a pretty slow connection with per minute phone bills is not my idea of fun - at least I get some compensation if the program is worth it... It's not so much the fact that I don't like WP - in fact I think it is a good quality product - it's that it wasn't obvious that it would not be fully functional and I decided to spend my time online downloading it as I believed I'd be getting a good, truly fully functional package (which, incidentally, I do get from StarOffice). -- Charles Charles, indeed I think all this satisfactory reports about WP8 and the fact that one should not have complains about limitations of free a software are an example of the poor's man happiness. The points are: - the cost it takes to dowload 23 MBytes of software, i.e. the phone bill. - the fact that corel never pointed out any limitation. - the fact that at no cost there are a lot of products much better than the free version of WP8. Hence congratulations to all the guys happy with such a bunch of useless code. ric ___ Riccardo Tommasini University of Berne - Institute of Applied Physics - Laser Dept. Sidlerstrasse 5 - CH-3012 Bern FAX: +41 31 6313765 [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cx.unibe.ch/iap/ ___
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On 20-Dec-98 Riccardo Tommasini wrote: Charles, indeed I think all this satisfactory reports about WP8 and the fact that one should not have complains about limitations of free a software are an example of the poor's man happiness. The points are: - the cost it takes to dowload 23 MBytes of software, i.e. the phone bill. - the fact that corel never pointed out any limitation. - the fact that at no cost there are a lot of products much better than the free version of WP8. Hence congratulations to all the guys happy with such a bunch of useless code. ric Let me try to balance this argument. I'm basically in agreement with Riccardo, without wishing to be so dismissive. The free download version is in fact _very_ useful for anything which is plain text/tables/etc so long as you don't need equations or drawing capbilities. However, it would have been fair dealing for Corel to make the true limitations clear beforehand. I think that in ALL European countries people pay by the minute for phone connections, and getting WP8 cost me at least $5 (equivalent). I'm keen to get WP8 anyway, if only for the MS file format import/export facilities (otherwise, what DO I do if I get a Word7 file by email? I can run Word-6 under WABI, but no Win-95 software). I've used WP since 5.1, including WP6 on Linux and the demo WP7 (indeed fully functional but reminds you every minute or so that you haven't paid for it). In order to legitimately use WP8 outside the home, anf for the sake of the manual a nd the extras, I would happily have paid up the reasonable price for the commercial version when it came out, subject to being satisfied that it worked properly for me. The interest of the download version is that it lets you check it out for misbehaviour, and for whether it does enough for you. With equations and graphics missing, I can't do this properly, and I do feel somewhat cheated of my $5. I don't think Corel were straightforward about this. Their Web page said the download was a Fully functional word processor (which it isn't, even compared with WP-5.1 -- i.e. equations, though you can still import grahics e.g. jpeg); and that the commercial version would include in addition Advanced drawing and charting applicationsd with online Help -- no mention of equations, and Advanced suggests that Basic drawing and charting applications would be available. Among the few recent benefits to modern civilisation which we in the UK can claim is the concept of being economical with the truth; it seems we have managed to convey it to others ... Best wishes to all, Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 20-Dec-98 Time: 17:51:59
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The free download version is in fact _very_ useful for anything which is plain text/tables/etc so long as you don't need equations or drawing capbilities. I couldn't have said it better myself. However, it would have been fair dealing for Corel to make the true limitations clear beforehand. I think that in ALL European countries people pay by the minute for phone connections, and getting WP8 cost me at least $5 (equivalent). Once again, right to the point. I don't think Corel were straightforward about this. Their Web page said the download was a Fully functional word processor (which it isn't, even compared with WP-5.1 -- i.e. equations, though you can still import grahics e.g. jpeg); and that the commercial version would include in addition Advanced drawing and charting applicationsd with online Help -- no mention of equations, and Advanced suggests that Basic drawing and charting applications would be available. Corel has done exactly as one should have expected. They published a fully functional word processor, which didn't contain any of the fancy things one can expect from a full-fledged office suite of apps. Corel stated those facts in a way that makes you want to download the program, test it for yourself, and when you find that those things you nned to be really productive (for the college student I am, doing it's physical sciences studies, equation handling is a required thing). The fact is, Although it's a full-fledged word processor, WordPerfect 8 for linux is intended to promote the sales of Corel's WordPerfect Suite. Now that this is said and done, I'd like to add a last thing: It's free guys. You don't have the right to complain. YOU made the decision to download it, and pay the phone bill. It's not Corel's fault. And if you aren't used to being 'tricked' (this is hardly a trick, but anyway) like that, you aren't living in the same world I am. EVERY single company in the world wants you to pay them. They are going to use all tricks possible, and permitted by law. Even giving you freely a powerful app as WordPerfect is. BTW: I have nothing against Corel, I downloaded WordPerfect 8 and I am pretty satisfied of what it is. It is what I expected all along, something to make them earn even more money. You can't be unaware of that. Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 947212
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Christian Lavoie wrote: The free download version is in fact _very_ useful for anything which is plain text/tables/etc so long as you don't need equations or drawing capbilities. I couldn't have said it better myself. However, it would have been fair dealing for Corel to make the true limitations clear beforehand. I think that in ALL European countries people pay by the minute for phone connections, and getting WP8 cost me at least $5 (equivalent). Once again, right to the point. I don't think Corel were straightforward about this. Their Web page said the download was a Fully functional word processor (which it isn't, even compared with WP-5.1 -- i.e. equations, though you can still import grahics e.g. jpeg); and that the commercial version would include in addition Advanced drawing and charting applicationsd with online Help -- no mention of equations, and Advanced suggests that Basic drawing and charting applications would be available. Corel has done exactly as one should have expected. They published a fully functional word processor, which didn't contain any of the fancy things one can expect from a full-fledged office suite of apps. Corel stated those facts in a way that makes you want to download the program, test it for yourself, and when you find that those things you nned to be really productive (for the college student I am, doing it's physical sciences studies, equation handling is a required thing). The fact is, Although it's a full-fledged word processor, WordPerfect 8 for linux is intended to promote the sales of Corel's WordPerfect Suite. Now that this is said and done, I'd like to add a last thing: It's free guys. You don't have the right to complain. YOU made the decision to download it, and pay the phone bill. It's not Corel's fault. And if you aren't used to being 'tricked' (this is hardly a trick, but anyway) like that, you aren't living in the same world I am. EVERY single company in the world wants you to pay them. They are going to use all tricks possible, and permitted by law. Even giving you freely a powerful app as WordPerfect is. BTW: I have nothing against Corel, I downloaded WordPerfect 8 and I am pretty satisfied of what it is. It is what I expected all along, something to make them earn even more money. You can't be unaware of that. Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 947212 I agree with Christian. Most of the people complaining are, in their hearts, OpenSource believers who subconsciously are hostile to any non-OpenSource software. WP8 *is* a fully functional word proccessor with some of its advanced features disabled. We can argue about whether Corel should have been more explicit about the difference between the full version and this free one, but there is no doubt about the usefullness of the software. I've already used it to create and print a list of items with a right-justified dot leader that Lyx can't do. We all *knew* it is commercial software, so why act surprised when Corel handles the WP8 free edition just like other commercial companies that release a 'free' or 'demo' version to potential customers? For crying out loud, they are asking only $50 or so for the full version, so stop whining. If you don't like it don't use it. -- Ed C.
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On Sun, Dec 20, 1998 at 16:46 +0100, Riccardo Tommasini wrote: Dave it seems you are really a funny guy! Not funny, just weird :) Don't you aunderstand the problem? Ok, the problem is as follows: -Corel claims they release a fully fuctional release of WP. Then, after installing what is meant to be a word processor, you discover that you cannot insert graphics and equations. Do you think this is still a usefull wordprocessor? Since I never use equations, and you can insert graphics (try loading a jpeg or a GIF), I find it very good. It processes words very well, has a good spellchecker, allows full layout control (though I haven't figured out how to do margin notes - I like those in my CV) and has more functions than you can shake a stick at. As somebody pointed out, Corel were strictly speaking correct, as the equation editor and graphics editor are separate apps (but I think it was wrong of them to not mention this). So yes, I think it is a very useful wordprocessor - I understand your complaint, but I don't agree with it. All I know is that this version of WP would have done an excellent job of my 3rd year dissertation. So let's leave it at that - I'm happy, you're not. -Stardivision made the same a long time ago, and you really get a fully functional office suite. Now take your conclusions. That WP is perfect for my needs, and isn't slow and bloaty like SO? ;) A turd is a turd even if it is big, steaming and delivered in wrapping paper. I still have to meet anyone who used all the functions of word 2.0, let alone word97... Cheers Dave -- Dave Swegen | Debian 2.0 on Linux i386 2.1.125 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP key available on request [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Linux: The Choice of a GNU Generation --
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On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Dave Swegen wrote: all the extra bells and whistles go download bloaty-hog staroffice. I find it rather amazing that people complain about something they paid nothing for. Paid nothing for?! We have per minute phone bills here - downloading something that big which turns out not to be fully functional at all is in fact a waste of money. Downloading large files over a pretty slow connection with per minute phone bills is not my idea of fun - at least I get some compensation if the program is worth it... It's not so much the fact that I don't like WP - in fact I think it is a good quality product - it's that it wasn't obvious that it would not be fully functional and I decided to spend my time online downloading it as I believed I'd be getting a good, truly fully functional package (which, incidentally, I do get from StarOffice). -- Charles
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In reply to:Dave Swegen Quoting Dave Swegen([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Fri, Dec 18, 1998 at 11:21 +0100, Riccardo Tommasini wrote: I think there is a very big difference between StarDivision, who released a real Fully Functional version of StarOffice, and Corel, who simply made us lost our time to download a useless SW. What do you mean useless? If you want a fully functional word processor with all the extra bells and whistles go download bloaty-hog staroffice. I find it rather amazing that people complain about something they paid nothing for. Granted they might have made it clearer that those functions are only available in the paid-for version. So don't be so bloody ungrateful and cheap - go and buy the full version (which doesn't cost an extortionate amount of money) if you want those features. Useless my arse... Dave Well I agree with Riccardo! It took me 18 hours to _finally_ get all 7 parts of the software. I found that there readme was written by someone that didn't even try to load the 7 parts. I then found that the Runme file didn't do anything (useful) so I had to figure out why .gz files were not, if fact, gzipped but tarred. Then, after looking at the Runme script, saw that it expected lowercase file names, so changed them. Ok, now to get the Runme to run. Forget it. It is looking for files that aren't there. A check of the ./linux/bin file shows that they are not executeable, in fact 'file ./linux/bin' says they are data files. OK, look on the list to see what others are finding. OK, now look for xwp. I am still looking. It isn't in the packages that I have. Look for _any_ executeables. Found Runme, which doesn't do anything but ask me if I have 'unzip'ed un-tared the files'. I find it a total waste of time and effort. I would not bother to even download it now _even_ if they said it was totally FREE. --- My REPLY: I had no problem at all in installing wp8. I didnot have to rename any files or anything. I tried it from the console, and under X windows (the install looks real nice under X). I was logged in as root during the install in all cases. I think the reason I had no problems was that I used the HUGE 24M download, and not the seven small files. The problem may be in the piecing the 7 files together. I think you must do the following on all files: tar -zxf 'filename' first. What confuses is the extension is .gz, not .tar.gz. The files are tar.gz's in anycase. Do this for all the 7 files in the same directory. Then type ./Runme Anyway it worked for me with the One large file. And make sure that you have most of the old lib5c and Xlib lib's installed or it won't work. _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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Well I agree with Riccardo! It took me 18 hours to _finally_ get all 7 parts of the software. I found that there readme was written by someone that didn't even try to load the 7 parts. I then found that the Runme file didn't do anything (useful) so I had to figure out why .gz files were not, if fact, gzipped but tarred. Then, after looking at the Runme script, saw that it expected lowercase file names, so changed them. Ok, now to get the Runme to run. Forget it. It is looking for files that aren't there. A check of the ./linux/bin file shows that they are not executeable, in fact 'file ./linux/bin' says they are data files. OK, look on the list to see what others are finding. OK, now look for xwp. I am still looking. It isn't in the packages that I have. Look for _any_ executeables. Found Runme, which doesn't do anything but ask me if I have 'unzip'ed un-tared the files'. I find it a total waste of time and effort. I would not bother to even download it now _even_ if they said it was totally FREE. I don't understand why it took 18 hours??? it's not 180 megs or something... I got mine from ftp.cdrom.com, which gave me 2-3kps.. that ftpsite is also where I get my debian packages, so if it takes you 18 hours you should have waited for other places to mirror it... places you normally get good transfer rates with.. As for installation, everything went virtually uneventfully... moved the file to home directory, tar xzzvf GUI* it extracted fine. read readme, not much there, ran runme, didn't work. read readme again, found out you had to run it in 'sh' shell. Ran sh. Ran runme, installed it. Ran xwp from wpbin directory. The functionality is another story though... fooling around with the software, I found some parts that said only available in commercial version. I was under the impression that it was fully functionable for personal use.. that made no mention of limited features. They should have indicated it was limited in some way.
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On Fri, Dec 18, 1998 at 22:53 +, Charles Collicutt wrote: On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Dave Swegen wrote: all the extra bells and whistles go download bloaty-hog staroffice. I find it rather amazing that people complain about something they paid nothing for. Paid nothing for?! We have per minute phone bills here - downloading something that big which turns out not to be fully functional at all is in fact a waste of money. Downloading large files over a pretty slow connection with per minute phone bills is not my idea of fun - at least I get some compensation if the program is worth it... It's not so much the fact that I don't like WP - in fact I think it is a good quality product - it's that it wasn't obvious that it would not be fully functional and I decided to spend my time online downloading it as I believed I'd be getting a good, truly fully functional package (which, incidentally, I do get from StarOffice). Yes, I unfortunatly have to pay the extortionate p/m costs too, but even so I found the ~4 quid I paid for WP well worth it. OK, so it's lacking a couple of non-vital features. As I said in my previous post it is a tad crap that they didn't mention the lacking features. And, notice who your money went to: Not to Corel, but to BT. I think your complaints would be far better directed at those greedy, stingy, incompetent nincompoops (good word that :) After all, it does exactly what it says it says on the box - it processes words, and damn well too as far as I can tell. And to say it isn't fully functional is an exaggeration and over-dramatisation of epic proportions (no doubt caused by irritation at BTs excellent, ahem, service ;) Remember also that as free editors go it kicks the living shit out of Notepad on winders. Oh, and it doesn't crash anywhere near as often as StarOffice. But then if equations are that important to you it must be worth using a buggy, bloaty piece of MS-wannabee software *shrug* Personally I'd use LaTeX for that sort of thing anyway... Cheers Dave -- Dave Swegen | Debian 2.0 on Linux i386 2.1.125 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP key available on request [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Linux: The Choice of a GNU Generation --
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Subject: Re: WP 8 problem Date: Fri, Dec 18, 1998 at 11:44:24PM -0500 In reply to:Tun Yang Quoting Tun Yang([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Well I agree with Riccardo! It took me 18 hours to _finally_ get all 7 parts of the software. I found that there readme was written by someone that didn't even try to load the 7 parts. I then found that the Runme file didn't do anything (useful) so I had to figure out why .gz files were not, if fact, gzipped but tarred. Then, after looking at the Runme script, saw that it expected lowercase file names, so changed them. Ok, now to get the Runme to run. Forget it. It is looking for files that aren't there. A check of the ./linux/bin file shows that they are not executeable, in fact 'file ./linux/bin' says they are data files. OK, look on the list to see what others are finding. OK, now look for xwp. I am still looking. It isn't in the packages that I have. Look for _any_ executeables. Found Runme, which doesn't do anything but ask me if I have 'unzip'ed un-tared the files'. I find it a total waste of time and effort. I would not bother to even download it now _even_ if they said it was totally FREE. I don't understand why it took 18 hours??? it's not 180 megs or something... I got mine from ftp.cdrom.com, which gave me 2-3kps.. that ftpsite is also where I get my debian packages, so if it takes you 18 hours you should have waited for other places to mirror it... places you normally get good transfer rates with.. My download rate was between 65 Bytes/Sec up to a whoping 260 Bytes/Sec (all from download.com), with breaks of up to 15 minutes between bursts! I should have quit after an hour or so but left to get some work done and by the time I got back I was 6 hours into the download! Note that here in the mountains my 33.6K modem can only conntct to my ISP at 24K-26.4K. Thanks Bell Atlantic for the great phone lines!! As for installation, everything went virtually uneventfully... moved the file to home directory, tar xzzvf GUI* it extracted fine. read readme, not much there, ran runme, didn't work. read readme again, found out you had to run it in 'sh' shell. Ran sh. Ran runme, installed it. Ran xwp from wpbin directory. The functionality is another story though... fooling around with the software, I found some parts that said only available in commercial version. I was under the impression that it was fully functionable for personal use.. that made no mention of limited features. They should have indicated it was limited in some way. At the urging of some of my clients, I broke down and tried to get WP8 again. This time I used ftp.cdrom.com and got the FULL 23Meg package (2 Hr 45 Minutes with only 1 timeout). This package was the one to get as it _did_ work OK. The 7 package download did not work! My impression is that it is less bloat then SO4 that I had tried a few months ago. It is fast. It isn't perfect as I have had it crash, but it is very versatile and is easy to use. If what I read about the price for the Personal version costing $70, then this is a very good addition to the Linux arsenal. My only suggestion is to get the BIG 23 Meg file and not to bother with the 7 3-4 meg packages. They are a waste of time. ___ Wayne T. Topa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: WP 8 problem
You have to register at http://linux.corel.com. But all this is unusefull cause WP is actually for nothing. indeed I installed and tried WordPerfect. After this bothersome work I discovered that, even though Corel said that this version is fully functional, equations and graphics are enabled only in commercial versions of the software!!! Hence , what is such a software meant for? ric At 21:12 17.12.98 -0700, Bob Nielsen wrote: I downloaded it and ran the installation program, but the first time I tried to actually run WP 8 (yes, it was on the same day I installed), I got a message that the demo period had expired (it's supposed to be 90 days) and asked me to enter a serial number. Subsequent tries give the message: An unrecoverable X Window server error has occurred. Your WordPerfect documents have been backed up in your backup directory. X Error of failed request: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) Major Opcode of failed request: 28 (X_GrabButton) Serial number of failed request: 2296 Current serial number in output stream: 2297 (The serial numbers change if the attempt to run is repeated). Arggh! Does anyone have a clue as to what I should do? Bob Bob Nielsen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DM42nh http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null ___ Riccardo Tommasini University of Berne - Institute of Applied Physics - Laser Dept. Sidlerstrasse 5 - CH-3012 Bern FAX: +41 31 6313765 [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cx.unibe.ch/iap/ ___
Re: WP 8 problem
On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Riccardo Tommasini wrote: You have to register at http://linux.corel.com. But all this is unusefull cause WP is actually for nothing. indeed I installed and tried WordPerfect. After this bothersome work I discovered that, even though Corel said that this version is fully functional, equations and graphics are enabled only in commercial versions of the software!!! Yes, but this is explained at Corel's site: http://linux.corel.com/linux8/highlights.htm Hence , what is such a software meant for? Although I agree Corel could have stated that more clearly, the Download Version of WP8 is really meant to get you started with all the core wordprocessing tasks -- if you then find out that WP8 works for you, you're encouraged to buy the Personal Version. I find this a fair enough approach. Cleto
Re: WP 8 problem
At 11:12 18.12.98 +0100, you wrote: On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Cleto Pescia wrote: Yes, but this is explained at Corel's site: http://linux.corel.com/linux8/highlights.htm Hi Cleto, at the Highlights from corel, no mention about equations or graphics is given. This is an extract from that page: Corel® WordPerfect® 8 for Linux® (Downloadable Version) Fully functional word processor Unlimited usage for personal, non-commercial use provided end user registers as user of the product within 90-day period Multi-language support Import/Export Filters includes support for Office 97 document formats Online help system Over 90 built-in spreadsheet functions E-mail directly from Corel WordPerfect Instantly become a Webmaster with Publish to Internet HTML exporting features I think there is a very big difference between StarDivision, who released a real Fully Functional version of StarOffice, and Corel, who simply made us lost our time to download a useless SW. ric At 11:12 18.12.98 +0100, you wrote: On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Riccardo Tommasini wrote: You have to register at http://linux.corel.com. But all this is unusefull cause WP is actually for nothing. indeed I installed and tried WordPerfect. After this bothersome work I discovered that, even though Corel said that this version is fully functional, equations and graphics are enabled only in commercial versions of the software!!! Yes, but this is explained at Corel's site: http://linux.corel.com/linux8/highlights.htm Hence , what is such a software meant for? Although I agree Corel could have stated that more clearly, the Download Version of WP8 is really meant to get you started with all the core wordprocessing tasks -- if you then find out that WP8 works for you, you're encouraged to buy the Personal Version. I find this a fair enough approach. Cleto -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null ___ Riccardo Tommasini University of Berne - Institute of Applied Physics - Laser Dept. Sidlerstrasse 5 - CH-3012 Bern FAX: +41 31 6313765 [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cx.unibe.ch/iap/ ___
Re: WP 8 problem
riccardo wrote, But all this is unusefull cause WP is actually for nothing. indeed I installed and tried WordPerfect. After this bothersome work I discovered that, even though Corel said that this version is fully functional, equations and graphics are enabled only in commercial versions of the software!!! Hence , what is such a software meant for? to convince you to use LyX :) At version 1.0pre4 . . . Equations are much easier than the equation editors I've seen, anyway. In fact, lyx's handling of equations is why I have a linux box . . . --
Re: WP 8 problem
At 09:35 18.12.98 Richard E. Hawkins wrote: But all this is unusefull cause WP is actually for nothing. indeed I installed and tried WordPerfect. After this bothersome work I discovered that, even though Corel said that this version is fully functional, equations and graphics are enabled only in commercial versions of the software!!! Hence , what is such a software meant for? to convince you to use LyX :) At version 1.0pre4 . . . Equations are much easier than the equation editors I've seen, anyway. In fact, lyx's handling of equations is why I have a linux box . . . Dear Richard, I am using LaTeX as well, with XEmacs, for my works, but I was looking to applications appealing for the other people in my department in such a way to convince them to reject Windows and use Linux instead. Some people fear to leave common office packages, such as WordPerfect, and jump to LaTeX. So, for these guys StarOffice remains the best. ric ___ Riccardo Tommasini University of Berne - Institute of Applied Physics - Laser Dept. Sidlerstrasse 5 - CH-3012 Bern FAX: +41 31 6313765 [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cx.unibe.ch/iap/ ___
Re: WP 8 problem
On Fri, Dec 18, 1998 at 11:21 +0100, Riccardo Tommasini wrote: I think there is a very big difference between StarDivision, who released a real Fully Functional version of StarOffice, and Corel, who simply made us lost our time to download a useless SW. What do you mean useless? If you want a fully functional word processor with all the extra bells and whistles go download bloaty-hog staroffice. I find it rather amazing that people complain about something they paid nothing for. Granted they might have made it clearer that those functions are only available in the paid-for version. So don't be so bloody ungrateful and cheap - go and buy the full version (which doesn't cost an extortionate amount of money) if you want those features. Useless my arse... Dave -- Dave Swegen | Debian 2.0 on Linux i386 2.1.125 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP key available on request [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Linux: The Choice of a GNU Generation --
Re: WP 8 problem
have you tried a fairly recent lyx? It is very stable (there's only one or two ways known to crash it), and the equations are very easy. I bought a mac 128 in '84, and several more until I saw lyx's equations. It also has a patch for mail-merge, which I wrote after realizing that that would be easier than facing the modern Word-style merge again :) --
Re: WP 8 problem
On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, George Bonser wrote: On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Dave Swegen wrote: What do you mean useless? If you want a fully functional word processor with all the extra bells and whistles go download bloaty-hog staroffice. I find it rather amazing that people complain about something they paid nothing for. Granted they might have made it clearer that those functions are only available in the paid-for version. So don't be so bloody ungrateful and cheap - go and buy the full version (which doesn't cost an extortionate amount of money) if you want those features. Useless my arse... Agreed. WP8 is MUCH faster than StarOffice and does not seem to be as much a resource hog. Some functions are disabled, but not the ones I use. I can't wait for the rest of the Corel suite to show up. Now that there is some competition in the Linux market, maybe we will get better performance in future versions. I've been using WP7 for several months and it runs quite nicely. So far I haven't found anything new with WP8. I'd like to have some of the other apps from the WP Suite, like QuattroPro. I guess that will be late next year, unless they wait for WP2000, the next version. Hopefully Corel will include a database someday as well, to better compete with M$ Office. Strangely enough, the problem I was having: An unrecoverable X Window server error has occurred. Your WordPerfect documents have been backed up in your backup directory. X Error of failed request: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) Major Opcode of failed request: 28 (X_GrabButton) Serial number of failed request: 2296 Current serial number in output stream: 2297 seems to be related to WindowManager. If I run X as root or another user, or use twm, I don't get this error. Even removing all my X config files from my home directory didn't help. Strange! Does anyone know what might make a call to X_GrabButton? Bob Bob Nielsen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DM42nh http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen
Re: WP 8 problem
Subject: Re: WP 8 problem Date: Fri, Dec 18, 1998 at 01:22:54PM + In reply to:Dave Swegen Quoting Dave Swegen([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Fri, Dec 18, 1998 at 11:21 +0100, Riccardo Tommasini wrote: I think there is a very big difference between StarDivision, who released a real Fully Functional version of StarOffice, and Corel, who simply made us lost our time to download a useless SW. What do you mean useless? If you want a fully functional word processor with all the extra bells and whistles go download bloaty-hog staroffice. I find it rather amazing that people complain about something they paid nothing for. Granted they might have made it clearer that those functions are only available in the paid-for version. So don't be so bloody ungrateful and cheap - go and buy the full version (which doesn't cost an extortionate amount of money) if you want those features. Useless my arse... Dave Well I agree with Riccardo! It took me 18 hours to _finally_ get all 7 parts of the software. I found that there readme was written by someone that didn't even try to load the 7 parts. I then found that the Runme file didn't do anything (useful) so I had to figure out why .gz files were not, if fact, gzipped but tarred. Then, after looking at the Runme script, saw that it expected lowercase file names, so changed them. Ok, now to get the Runme to run. Forget it. It is looking for files that aren't there. A check of the ./linux/bin file shows that they are not executeable, in fact 'file ./linux/bin' says they are data files. OK, look on the list to see what others are finding. OK, now look for xwp. I am still looking. It isn't in the packages that I have. Look for _any_ executeables. Found Runme, which doesn't do anything but ask me if I have 'unzip'ed un-tared the files'. I find it a total waste of time and effort. I would not bother to even download it now _even_ if they said it was totally FREE. -- | LINUX - Because a PC is a terrible thing to waste..on WinDoze | ___ Wayne T. Topa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: WP 8 problem
In a message dated 12/18/98 1:08:53 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well I agree with Riccardo! It took me 18 hours to _finally_ get all 7 parts of the software. I found that there readme was written by someone that didn't even try to load the 7 parts. I then found that the Runme file didn't do anything (useful) so I had to figure out why .gz files were not, if fact, gzipped but tarred. Then, after looking at the Runme script, saw that it expected lowercase file names, so changed them. Ok, now to get the Runme to run. Forget it. It is looking for files that aren't there. A check of the ./linux/bin file shows that they are not executeable, in fact 'file ./linux/bin' says they are data files. OK, look on the list to see what others are finding. OK, now look for xwp. I am still looking. It isn't in the packages that I have. Look for _any_ executeables. Found Runme, which doesn't do anything but ask me if I have 'unzip'ed un-tared the files'. I find it a total waste of time and effort. I would not bother to even download it now _even_ if they said it was totally FREE. Sorry, but I didn't experience ANY of the problems you're having... 1) The filenames are in lowercase to begin with, I really can't see complaining if your download changed the case of the names. Granted, the Runme script could be a little smarter and handle upper case names as well, but why should it? Linux is a case-sensitive language! 2) My download took all of 2 hours for all 7 parts - and then I downloaded the full version for grins. NO problems at all. 3) The install instructions at download time specifically say gunzip it, then tar it. 4) Data files can also be executible, depending on their access rights. 5) Waste of time and effort? Hardly... I have always loved Word Perfect, and even when my office standards require me to use Word97 on my machine, I still have a copy of WP loaded that I use instead. I've used it since the early DOS days. Now I find that I can get a free copy of it for use on my Debian machine? Fan-f'n'-tastic!! 6) As for the eqution/graphics capabilities... This is a free demo version folks. And further, if there are packages (like Lyx) that do it better, why not use them!! All I know is I have a great word processor for Debian now, one that I've used for years and have grown to love. My 2 cents. -Jay
Re: WP 8 problem
Subject: Re: WP 8 problem Date: Fri, Dec 18, 1998 at 02:27:28PM -0500 In reply to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]([EMAIL PROTECTED]): In a message dated 12/18/98 1:08:53 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well I agree with Riccardo! It took me 18 hours to _finally_ get all 7 parts of the software. I found that there readme was written by someone that didn't even try to load the 7 parts. I then found that the Runme file didn't do anything (useful) so I had to figure out why .gz files were not, if fact, gzipped but tarred. Then, after looking at the Runme script, saw that it expected lowercase file names, so changed them. Ok, now to get the Runme to run. Forget it. It is looking for files that aren't there. A check of the ./linux/bin file shows that they are not executeable, in fact 'file ./linux/bin' says they are data files. OK, look on the list to see what others are finding. OK, now look for xwp. I am still looking. It isn't in the packages that I have. Look for _any_ executeables. Found Runme, which doesn't do anything but ask me if I have 'unzip'ed un-tared the files'. I find it a total waste of time and effort. I would not bother to even download it now _even_ if they said it was totally FREE. Sorry, but I didn't experience ANY of the problems you're having... Well congrats, I am glad you had no problems. 1) The filenames are in lowercase to begin with, I really can't see complaining if your download changed the case of the names. Granted, the What? Do you mean you got gui00.gz, gui[1-6]0.gz and not GUI[0-6]0.GZ files? You didn't, like all the others who mentioned this, get Upper-Case files? 2) My download took all of 2 hours for all 7 parts - and then I downloaded the full version for grins. NO problems at all. Well I screwed up and used download.com :-( 3) The install instructions at download time specifically say gunzip it, then tar it. I have the printed page of the download screen in front of me. As I had plenty of reading time :-( , I have read it more then once. I am unable to find the info that says to gunzip the files. Which BTW was false anyway as the files were only tar'ed. I do see tho that the single file is listed at 23.6 Meg. Others report it to be 27 Meg. 4) Data files can also be executible, depending on their access rights. VT1 root-S33:/program/NEW/WP8# ls -l ./linux/bin/* -rw-r--r-- 1 424 users 2770843 Nov 12 02:40 ./linux/bin/archfltr -rw-r--r-- 1 424 users 42186 Feb 6 1998 ./linux/bin/cjpeg -rw-r--r-- 1 424 users 731160 Dec 8 00:25 ./linux/bin/cvt -rw-r--r-- 1 424 users 52410 Feb 6 1998 ./linux/bin/djpeg [snip] As I said above the linux/bin dir contains data files not executeable files, at least from the 7 files I downloaded. 5) Waste of time and effort? Hardly... I have always loved Word Perfect, and even when my office standards require me to use Word97 on my machine, I still have a copy of WP loaded that I use instead. I've used it since the early DOS days. Now I find that I can get a free copy of it for use on my Debian machine? Fan-f'n'-tastic!! Yep a 2 hour, in your case - 18 Hr in mine, download and you can use it FREE for 90 Days. 6) As for the eqution/graphics capabilities... This is a free demo version folks. And further, if there are packages (like Lyx) that do it better, why not use them!! All I know is I have a great word processor for Debian now, one that I've used for years and have grown to love. I wouldn't know about this, remember I spent 18 hours downloading, for nothing. BTW, Thanks to those who sent mail telling me that they also had tried the 7 part download and found it didn't work They also say the BIG 27 Meg one does, in fact, work. Thanks for the info but I have had it with WP8. I really had high hopes for it too. My 2 cents. -Jay -- USER, n.: The word computer professionals use when they mean idiot. -- Dave Barry, Claw Your Way to the Top ___ Wayne T. Topa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: WP 8 problem
Sorry, but I didn't experience ANY of the problems you're having... Me either. I downloaded the whole 23M in just under two hours. On a 33.6 conenction no less! 2) My download took all of 2 hours for all 7 parts - and then I downloaded the full version for grins. NO problems at all. 3) The install instructions at download time specifically say gunzip it, then tar it. I didn't however find this to be true. When I tried tar xvfz GUI000.GZ it said that it wasn't a gzip file. So I did tar xvf and it went quite smoothly. I'm not sure why they put a GZ after the filename, because the file I downloaded was most certainly not a gzip. 6) As for the eqution/graphics capabilities... This is a free demo version folks. And further, if there are packages (like Lyx) that do it better, why not use them!! All I know is I have a great word processor for Debian now, one that I've used for years and have grown to love. Quite true. Linux has never had much in the way of word processing programs. Unless you want to count all the text formatting programs. I tried StarOffice, but no matter what I did it crashed every time I tried to run setup. The setup window would sorta half-load, and that was the end of it. (We're talking crashed to the point of having to re-boot, no error messages, no nothing. Just a good solid freeze.) I suppose that the archive could have been corrupted during transmission, but I finally gave up on the whole thing. I personally am very grateful to corel for this sign of support for the linux community. -Colin
