Re: Simple iptables table doesn't let me forward X windows
On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 07:30:09PM +, Joe wrote: > On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 12:13:12 -0600 > Jason wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I am trying to setup (what should be) a simple iptables table between > > two machines on a local network, both with static IP addresses. The > > machine I want to set up the iptables on is a headless server which I > > access using ssh. I want to cut off all communications except with the > > machine I ssh from. What I did works except when I try to run a GUI > > program on the server to display locally, after a pause I get > > something like: > > > > Geany: cannot open display > > or > > xterm: Xt error: Can't open display: localhost:10.0 > > > > both of which work before I run the iptables commands. > > OK, that leaves little doubt that it's a firewall issue. > > > > > Here's what I did (000.000.000.000 is substituted for actual IP > > address of client machine): > > > > $ sudo iptables -A INPUT -s 000.000.000.000 -j ACCEPT > > $ sudo iptables -A OUTPUT -d 000.000.000.000 -j ACCEPT > > $ sudo iptables -P INPUT DROP > > $ sudo iptables -P OUTPUT DROP > > > > I also tried to add > > > > $ sudo iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT > > You'll also want a lo ACCEPT in the OUTPUT chain. Which fixed my problem, see my reply to Pascal. > > > > > without success. > > > > What do I need to do to get X forwarding to work? > > > > Others may know the exact answer in this case. I'll make couple of > suggestions for future iptables issues. > > 1. Take one of the very basic firewall scripts (there are many around) > that works statefully i.e. allows everything out, accepts established > and related state replies, drops invalid packets, accepts lo in and out. > Start from there, check your X forwarding works, then add IP address > restrictions as required one by one. When it breaks, you know exactly > what did it. > > 2. Use -j LOG targets with various --log-prefix values in various > places to understand what's going on, generally what's being dropped > by mistake. When you finish with them, comment them out but leave them > there for future use. Tailor them by address and/or port to look for > specific issues. In your existing case: > > iptables -A INPUT -j LOG --log-level debug --log-prefix "INPUT dropped:" > > just before the actual DROP judgement, and another for OUTPUT. It will > generate a lot of stuff quite quickly, so comment it once you have some > logs to examine. It's amazing what really obvious things you can > overlook with a firewall, and this will identify them fairly quickly. > It's a much less tedious job than using a packet capture application, > which is massive overkill for simple networking problems. > > 3. You may be doing this without telling us here, but when you have a > script to make your firewall, put in initialisation commands first, to > remove any existing rules, and set overall DROP defaults in case your > main iptables logic takes a wrong turn. You'll want at least the -F and > -X iptables options for filter, nat and mangle tables. If you haven't > disabled IPv6 altogether, you'll also need corresponding ip6tables > commands, as IPv6 is wide open by default. > I'm learning. Thanks for responding! -- Jason
Re: Simple iptables table doesn't let me forward X windows
On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 07:58:27PM +0100, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Le 20/01/2018 à 19:13, Jason a écrit : > > > >I am trying to setup (what should be) a simple iptables table > > I don't think so. In iptables, "tables" are preexisting data structures > containing chains, and chains contain rules that you create. The set of > rules in these chains and tables is called, well, a ruleset. Thanks for the clarification. This is my first experience using iptables and my knowledge of it is elementary at best. > > >between > >two machines on a local network, both with static IP addresses. > > Nonsense. A ruleset is set up on one machine, not between two machines. I had thought after I wrote it that the wording probably wasn't correct. > > >The machine I want to set up the iptables on > > As I wrote : on one machine. > > >is a headless server which I > >access using ssh. I want to cut off all communications except with the > >machine I ssh from. > > I guess you use X tunnelling with ssh -X or -Y ? Yes, with -X. > >What I did works except when I try to run a GUI > >program on the server to display locally, after a pause I get > >something like: > > > > Geany: cannot open display > >or > > xterm: Xt error: Can't open display: localhost:10.0 > > > >both of which work before I run the iptables commands. > > > >Here's what I did (000.000.000.000 is substituted for actual IP > >address of client machine): > > You really should not use that kind of address for substitution. 0.0.0.0 has > a special meaning. You could use addresses in 192.0.2.0/24 which are > reserved for examples and documentation instead. Okay, making a note of it. > >$ sudo iptables -A INPUT -s 000.000.000.000 -j ACCEPT > >$ sudo iptables -A OUTPUT -d 000.000.000.000 -j ACCEPT > >$ sudo iptables -P INPUT DROP > >$ sudo iptables -P OUTPUT DROP > > > >I also tried to add > > > >$ sudo iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT > > > >without success. > > > >What do I need to do to get X forwarding to work? > > Add > > iptables -A OUTPUT -o lo -j ACCEPT That works, thanks a lot Pascal! > > Note that this ruleset allows much more than just SSH and X forwarding > between the two machines. Which is fine in this case. Thanks again! -- Jason
Re: Simple iptables table doesn't let me forward X windows
Joe wrote: > OK, that leaves little doubt that it's a firewall issue. usually xauth missing or wrong xauth people do upgrade, then just press yes and pile up mess over mess and then come here to ask for help. it's fun regards
Re: Simple iptables table doesn't let me forward X windows
On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 12:13:12 -0600 Jason wrote: > Hi, > > I am trying to setup (what should be) a simple iptables table between > two machines on a local network, both with static IP addresses. The > machine I want to set up the iptables on is a headless server which I > access using ssh. I want to cut off all communications except with the > machine I ssh from. What I did works except when I try to run a GUI > program on the server to display locally, after a pause I get > something like: > > Geany: cannot open display > or > xterm: Xt error: Can't open display: localhost:10.0 > > both of which work before I run the iptables commands. OK, that leaves little doubt that it's a firewall issue. > > Here's what I did (000.000.000.000 is substituted for actual IP > address of client machine): > > $ sudo iptables -A INPUT -s 000.000.000.000 -j ACCEPT > $ sudo iptables -A OUTPUT -d 000.000.000.000 -j ACCEPT > $ sudo iptables -P INPUT DROP > $ sudo iptables -P OUTPUT DROP > > I also tried to add > > $ sudo iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT You'll also want a lo ACCEPT in the OUTPUT chain. > > without success. > > What do I need to do to get X forwarding to work? > Others may know the exact answer in this case. I'll make couple of suggestions for future iptables issues. 1. Take one of the very basic firewall scripts (there are many around) that works statefully i.e. allows everything out, accepts established and related state replies, drops invalid packets, accepts lo in and out. Start from there, check your X forwarding works, then add IP address restrictions as required one by one. When it breaks, you know exactly what did it. 2. Use -j LOG targets with various --log-prefix values in various places to understand what's going on, generally what's being dropped by mistake. When you finish with them, comment them out but leave them there for future use. Tailor them by address and/or port to look for specific issues. In your existing case: iptables -A INPUT -j LOG --log-level debug --log-prefix "INPUT dropped:" just before the actual DROP judgement, and another for OUTPUT. It will generate a lot of stuff quite quickly, so comment it once you have some logs to examine. It's amazing what really obvious things you can overlook with a firewall, and this will identify them fairly quickly. It's a much less tedious job than using a packet capture application, which is massive overkill for simple networking problems. 3. You may be doing this without telling us here, but when you have a script to make your firewall, put in initialisation commands first, to remove any existing rules, and set overall DROP defaults in case your main iptables logic takes a wrong turn. You'll want at least the -F and -X iptables options for filter, nat and mangle tables. If you haven't disabled IPv6 altogether, you'll also need corresponding ip6tables commands, as IPv6 is wide open by default. -- Joe
Re: Simple iptables table doesn't let me forward X windows
Le 20/01/2018 à 19:13, Jason a écrit : I am trying to setup (what should be) a simple iptables table I don't think so. In iptables, "tables" are preexisting data structures containing chains, and chains contain rules that you create. The set of rules in these chains and tables is called, well, a ruleset. between two machines on a local network, both with static IP addresses. Nonsense. A ruleset is set up on one machine, not between two machines. The machine I want to set up the iptables on As I wrote : on one machine. is a headless server which I access using ssh. I want to cut off all communications except with the machine I ssh from. I guess you use X tunnelling with ssh -X or -Y ? What I did works except when I try to run a GUI program on the server to display locally, after a pause I get something like: Geany: cannot open display or xterm: Xt error: Can't open display: localhost:10.0 both of which work before I run the iptables commands. Here's what I did (000.000.000.000 is substituted for actual IP address of client machine): You really should not use that kind of address for substitution. 0.0.0.0 has a special meaning. You could use addresses in 192.0.2.0/24 which are reserved for examples and documentation instead. $ sudo iptables -A INPUT -s 000.000.000.000 -j ACCEPT $ sudo iptables -A OUTPUT -d 000.000.000.000 -j ACCEPT $ sudo iptables -P INPUT DROP $ sudo iptables -P OUTPUT DROP I also tried to add $ sudo iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT without success. What do I need to do to get X forwarding to work? Add iptables -A OUTPUT -o lo -j ACCEPT Note that this ruleset allows much more than just SSH and X forwarding between the two machines.
Simple iptables table doesn't let me forward X windows
Hi, I am trying to setup (what should be) a simple iptables table between two machines on a local network, both with static IP addresses. The machine I want to set up the iptables on is a headless server which I access using ssh. I want to cut off all communications except with the machine I ssh from. What I did works except when I try to run a GUI program on the server to display locally, after a pause I get something like: Geany: cannot open display or xterm: Xt error: Can't open display: localhost:10.0 both of which work before I run the iptables commands. Here's what I did (000.000.000.000 is substituted for actual IP address of client machine): $ sudo iptables -A INPUT -s 000.000.000.000 -j ACCEPT $ sudo iptables -A OUTPUT -d 000.000.000.000 -j ACCEPT $ sudo iptables -P INPUT DROP $ sudo iptables -P OUTPUT DROP I also tried to add $ sudo iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT without success. What do I need to do to get X forwarding to work? Thanks! -- Jason
Re: Projector, Debian, OS X, Windows, HDMI
On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:11:51 + Joe wrote: > On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 03:54:10 -0500 > German wrote: > > > Hi list, > > > > First of all good news. I recently bought not expensive LCD > > projector. So I hooked it up to my computer's HDMI output, plugged > > the other end of HDMI cable to projector and voila, all of the > > context of my monitor was mirrored on the wall. All programs, > > icons, etc.. I opened up movie player and turned on cartoon and > > enjoyed it on the screen. This set up running Debian 8.0. > > > > > > Then I tried it to connect to Mac Book Air ( OS X) with the help of > > mini display port to HDMI cable. For a while I got computer's > > wallpaper on the wall ( but not the icons and other stuff which is > > on Mac's display) and connection was lost ( projector displayed "no > > input" icon. If this is not faulty mini display to HDMI cord, what > > might me a problem? > > > > > > The third time, Windows machine was connected to projector. By > > HDMI-HDMI cable. Again, only wallpaper of computer was projected on > > the wall. No browser and any other programs and icons which are > > present on the screen of Windows machine. > > > > > > Can anyone clue me in what happens? Does other OS's need to be > > specifically adjust setting? What are the setting there might be? > > Anyway, please share your thoughts. Thank you > > > > Windows needs to know what you want to do with the second monitor: do > you want it to be an extension of the first, giving you more desktop, > or do you want it to be a copy, e.g. to run a projector while you > still work from the laptop screen. It also wants to know whether you > want a taskbar on one monitor or both, and which is the primary > screen. > > So what you're seeing on Windows is the default setting: you should > find that if you move the mouse pointer off the edge of the main > screen, it appears on the projector screen, though you'll have to > experiment to find which edge to move from. > > You need to right-click on an empty area of the desktop and I'm not > sure where you go from there, but explore the menu until you find the > multiple monitors setup. > > I'd guess that Macs would have similar features, that's probably where > MS copied theirs from, and almost certainly where the Linux randr > multiple monitor setup came from as well. > Thank you, i'll try to figure this out
Re: Projector, Debian, OS X, Windows, HDMI
On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 03:54:10 -0500 German wrote: > Hi list, > > First of all good news. I recently bought not expensive LCD projector. > So I hooked it up to my computer's HDMI output, plugged the other end > of HDMI cable to projector and voila, all of the context of my monitor > was mirrored on the wall. All programs, icons, etc.. I opened up movie > player and turned on cartoon and enjoyed it on the screen. This set up > running Debian 8.0. > > > Then I tried it to connect to Mac Book Air ( OS X) with the help of > mini display port to HDMI cable. For a while I got computer's > wallpaper on the wall ( but not the icons and other stuff which is on > Mac's display) and connection was lost ( projector displayed "no > input" icon. If this is not faulty mini display to HDMI cord, what > might me a problem? > > > The third time, Windows machine was connected to projector. By > HDMI-HDMI cable. Again, only wallpaper of computer was projected on > the wall. No browser and any other programs and icons which are > present on the screen of Windows machine. > > > Can anyone clue me in what happens? Does other OS's need to be > specifically adjust setting? What are the setting there might be? > Anyway, please share your thoughts. Thank you > Windows needs to know what you want to do with the second monitor: do you want it to be an extension of the first, giving you more desktop, or do you want it to be a copy, e.g. to run a projector while you still work from the laptop screen. It also wants to know whether you want a taskbar on one monitor or both, and which is the primary screen. So what you're seeing on Windows is the default setting: you should find that if you move the mouse pointer off the edge of the main screen, it appears on the projector screen, though you'll have to experiment to find which edge to move from. You need to right-click on an empty area of the desktop and I'm not sure where you go from there, but explore the menu until you find the multiple monitors setup. I'd guess that Macs would have similar features, that's probably where MS copied theirs from, and almost certainly where the Linux randr multiple monitor setup came from as well. -- Joe
Projector, Debian, OS X, Windows, HDMI
Hi list, First of all good news. I recently bought not expensive LCD projector. So I hooked it up to my computer's HDMI output, plugged the other end of HDMI cable to projector and voila, all of the context of my monitor was mirrored on the wall. All programs, icons, etc.. I opened up movie player and turned on cartoon and enjoyed it on the screen. This set up running Debian 8.0. Then I tried it to connect to Mac Book Air ( OS X) with the help of mini display port to HDMI cable. For a while I got computer's wallpaper on the wall ( but not the icons and other stuff which is on Mac's display) and connection was lost ( projector displayed "no input" icon. If this is not faulty mini display to HDMI cord, what might me a problem? The third time, Windows machine was connected to projector. By HDMI-HDMI cable. Again, only wallpaper of computer was projected on the wall. No browser and any other programs and icons which are present on the screen of Windows machine. Can anyone clue me in what happens? Does other OS's need to be specifically adjust setting? What are the setting there might be? Anyway, please share your thoughts. Thank you
Re: disable keyboard outside of X Windows too
Hi. On Sun, 10 Aug 2014 11:02:13 +0800 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson wrote: > So how can I do it (and not zap the USB keyboard at the same time)? This should disable your PS/2 keyboard both in the console or X: echo -n manual > /sys/bus/serio/devices/serio0/bind_mode echo -n serio1 > /sys/bus/serio/drivers/atkbd/unbind To revert this change, you'll need this: echo -n atkbd > /sys/bus/serio/devices/serio0/drvctl echo -n auto > /sys/bus/serio/devices/serio0/bind_mode Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140810102800.5aadcc1d4ce06d3401df6...@gmail.com
disable keyboard outside of X Windows too
Gentlemen, I wish to disable my built-in keyboard which is inhabited by a ghost occasionally typing bad things. I will instead use my USB keyboard. Of course in X windows, all that is needed is $ xinput --disable 'AT Translated Set 2 keyboard' The problem is I wish to disable the bad keyboard also in tty1 through tty6, i.e., outside of X Windows too! I found some things I could echo into: $ (cd /sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio0/ && find * -type f -perm /u=w) bind_mode drvctl extra force_release input/input0/power/control input/input0/power/async input/input0/power/autosuspend_delay_ms input/input0/event0/power/control input/input0/event0/power/async input/input0/event0/power/autosuspend_delay_ms input/input0/event0/uevent input/input0/uevent power/control power/async power/autosuspend_delay_ms scroll set softraw softrepeat uevent But looking in /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-3.14/Documentation/ABI/testing/ doesn't reveal how to actually turn it off! One might think that echo 0 > power/control would do it but answer would be way off! So how can I do it (and not zap the USB keyboard at the same time)? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87mwbd6o96@jidanni.org
X windows not refreshing using opengl
Whenever I'm running a windowed opengl application, say mplayer -vo gl, the window will not refresh. Switching (e.g. ALT-TAB) to a different window will force a single update. Running full-screen may or may not cause the window to be refreshed properly (e.g. mplayer works fine, a wine application does not). I am running Debian Wheezy on amd64. Because of dropped support for RV770 I have pinned xserver-xorg to 1:7.6+8 from the snapshot archive, with xserver* and xorg* pinned to snapshot.debian.org (using 20110911T211512Z). My Wheezy is otherwise fully updated. The problem has persisted for a number of months now. Any pointers? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1367710403.21835.yahoomail...@web142405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com
Re: X-windows copy/paste mess [SOLVED]
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:13:01 + (UTC), I wrote: > I'm running testing (Wheezy) and am failing to get copy/paste working cleanly > among my most common windows, namely: > > several xterms > virtualbox running a virtual XP client > iceweasel > ... > Is there any way to get all of these programs to use the same selection? I'd > be happy if xterm could be told to always copy to both PRIMARY and CLIPBOARD, > but it seems you have to pick one or the other. There were no follow-ups, so maybe no one was interested in this problem. But I did eventually find a solution here: http://www.davidsimmons.com/soft/xtermhacks/ and will post it in case anyone else can benefit. The solution was to add this to ~/.Xresources: XTerm*VT100.translations: #override : select-end(PRIMARY, CLIPBOARD, CUT_BUFFER0) I can't say that I fully understand the syntax, but supposedly it does the following: xterm copies a highlighted selection into both CLIPBOARD and PRIMARY (and also a cut buffer) text is pasted from CLIPBOARD if there is nothing in PRIMARY Here are the results of copy/paste tests after the change: + xterm -> iceweasel URL window + iceweasel URL window -> xterm + iceweasel main window -> xterm + acroread -> xterm + xterm -> Explorer URL window + Explorer URL window -> xterm + Explorer main window -> xterm + xterm -> Word + Word -> xterm + Acrobat -> xterm + Explorer URL window -> iceweasel URL window - iceweasel URL window -> Explorer URL window - iceweasel URL window -> Word Here Explorer, Word, and Acrobat were in the virtualbox XP client. `+' means the paste worked; `-' means it didn't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/loom.20110322t211241-...@post.gmane.org
X-windows copy/paste mess
I'm running testing (Wheezy) and am failing to get copy/paste working cleanly among my most common windows, namely: several xterms virtualbox running a virtual XP client iceweasel The window manager is fvwm. As far as I can tell, the problem comes down to this: virtualbox only reads from the CLIPBOARD selection. iceweasel only reads from or writes to PRIMARY. xterms can be configured to work with PRIMARY or CLIPBOARD but not both. At first, I relied on defaults (PRIMARY), and all copy/paste worked with one exception: I couldn't paste into virtualbox. (This had not been a problem with VMware.) After reading this: http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/7805 I added a line to ~/.Xresources: xterm*selectToClipboard: true This makes xterms use CLIPBOARD instead of the default PRIMARY. After that, I could copy and paste between an xterm and virtualbox (via CLIPBOARD). Now, though, I can't do copy/paste with iceweasel and anything else, probably because iceweasel uses PRIMARY exclusively. Adding this to ~/.Xresources: iceweasel*selectToClipboard: true had no effect. There are solutions posted, e.g.: http://blog.bigsmoke.us/2010/01/31/xterm-clipboard-selection I haven't tried to duplicate those yet because they require extra keystrokes to specify PRIMARY or CLIPBOARD. I can get from xterm to iceweasel by creating a cut buffer with xcutsel, but that's too hard. Is there any way to get all of these programs to use the same selection? I'd be happy if xterm could be told to always copy to both PRIMARY and CLIPBOARD, but it seems you have to pick one or the other. Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/loom.20110321t181022-...@post.gmane.org
Re: Resolved issue in 2.6.32-5-686 kernel using x windows.
On Fri, 04 Mar 2011, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > In <4d71a670.4030...@gmail.com>, Ryan David Larrowe wrote: > > I had filed a bug report about my system not booting properly and > >was unable to file it against the Debian version I was using for that > >reason( it wouldn't boot ). > > While bugs get discussed here, they don't get reported here, nor to the get > updated or closed here. There are dedicated email addresses that handle the > stuff at bugs.d.o And we need the bug # to close it. Ryan, you should have received an email from the bug tracking system with the bug number. Can you check it? -- "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110305165743.ga28...@khazad-dum.debian.net
Re: Resolved issue in 2.6.32-5-686 kernel using x windows.
In <4d71a670.4030...@gmail.com>, Ryan David Larrowe wrote: > I had filed a bug report about my system not booting properly and >was unable to file it against the Debian version I was using for that >reason( it wouldn't boot ). While bugs get discussed here, they don't get reported here, nor to the get updated or closed here. There are dedicated email addresses that handle the stuff at bugs.d.o -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Resolved issue in 2.6.32-5-686 kernel using x windows.
To whom it may concern: I had filed a bug report about my system not booting properly and was unable to file it against the Debian version I was using for that reason( it wouldn't boot ). The screen would flash along with the keyboard lights and the system was unresponsive. I am sending this email to report that I was able to get my system up and running using Debian 6.0 kernel version 2.6.32-5-686. I ran the grub video test and after that I have had no problems. I am using an ATI RadeonHD 3650 AGP video card. I hope this helps to resolve some issues. Thank you, Ryan Larrowe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d71a670.4030...@gmail.com
Re: debian testing amd64: X windows trouble after todays updates. (input events problem?)
On 2010.12.10. 14:41, Peter Koellner wrote: Well, I found the dpkg log with all the packages updated in that batch. one of them or a combination has to be responsible. I guess it might be desktop-base 6.0.2 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d04ed3d.50...@informatik.hu
Re: debian testing amd64: X windows trouble after todays updates. (input events problem?)
Well, I am using debian testing on laptops since around 1999. Stable always seems to be missing the one or other driver or configuration for that, sometimes I have to fall back to unstable. Anyway, what I do now - in fact, have already done - is sending in a bug report. I still have my doubts that desktop-base is the cause, since it really does not do very much. Only the other packages are more unlikely to cause the effect. Most of the time, such annoyances vanish after a few days, weeks or months, until now I never had one like this that completely broke usability. So maybe I'll try to get desktop-base 5.0.6 somewhere, take a look at the differences and try to figure out if something there might be the cause. Only I had to switch back to a working machine now to do something productive. For your problem: Normally I use dselect and there '=' to fix a package whenever I get this dependency upgrade problem where someone put a minor version/release number in a dependency that really does not work with the continouus upgrades in testing or unstable. I must admit that I never bothered to find out what underlying dpkg functionality that one uses to do its work. On Fri, 10 Dec 2010, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Peter Koellner wrote: Well, I found the dpkg log with all the packages updated in that batch. one of them or a combination has to be responsible. I guess it might be desktop-base 6.0.2 Indeed, but what are you going to do? I do a backup before a dist-upgrade, so I can fall back to something that works. But never doing an upgrade again is not an option. Pinning never seems to work for me: right now I want to pin mc, mondo and mindi, but it does not work, they get updated anyway: Package: mc Pin: version 4.6* Pin-Priority: 1001 Package: wmtemp Pin: version 0.0.6-3 Pin-Priority: 1001 Hugo -- peter koellner -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.osx.2.00.1012101654220@local.meinefc.de
Re: debian testing amd64: X windows trouble after todays updates. (input events problem?)
Peter Koellner wrote: Well, I found the dpkg log with all the packages updated in that batch. one of them or a combination has to be responsible. I guess it might be desktop-base 6.0.2 Indeed, but what are you going to do? I do a backup before a dist-upgrade, so I can fall back to something that works. But never doing an upgrade again is not an option. Pinning never seems to work for me: right now I want to pin mc, mondo and mindi, but it does not work, they get updated anyway: Package: mc Pin: version 4.6* Pin-Priority: 1001 Package: wmtemp Pin: version 0.0.6-3 Pin-Priority: 1001 Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/idti4b$jf...@dough.gmane.org
Re: debian testing amd64: X windows trouble after todays updates. (input events problem?)
Well, I found the dpkg log with all the packages updated in that batch. one of them or a combination has to be responsible. I guess it might be desktop-base 6.0.2 -- peter koellner 2010-12-09 16:33:55 upgrade php-net-smtp 1.4.2-1 1.4.2-3 2010-12-09 16:33:57 upgrade php-soap 0.12.0-1 0.12.0-2 2010-12-09 16:33:58 upgrade isc-dhcp-client 4.1.1-P1-12 4.1.1-P1-15 2010-12-09 16:33:59 upgrade isc-dhcp-common 4.1.1-P1-12 4.1.1-P1-15 2010-12-09 16:34:01 upgrade libkrb5-dev 1.8.3+dfsg-2 1.8.3+dfsg-3 2010-12-09 16:34:02 upgrade krb5-multidev 1.8.3+dfsg-2 1.8.3+dfsg-3 2010-12-09 16:34:03 upgrade libk5crypto3 1.8.3+dfsg-2 1.8.3+dfsg-3 2010-12-09 16:34:04 upgrade libgssapi-krb5-2 1.8.3+dfsg-2 1.8.3+dfsg-3 2010-12-09 16:34:05 upgrade libkrb5-3 1.8.3+dfsg-2 1.8.3+dfsg-3 2010-12-09 16:34:07 upgrade libkrb5support0 1.8.3+dfsg-2 1.8.3+dfsg-3 2010-12-09 16:34:08 upgrade libgssrpc4 1.8.3+dfsg-2 1.8.3+dfsg-3 2010-12-09 16:34:09 upgrade libkdb5-4 1.8.3+dfsg-2 1.8.3+dfsg-3 2010-12-09 16:34:10 upgrade libkadm5srv-mit7 1.8.3+dfsg-2 1.8.3+dfsg-3 2010-12-09 16:34:11 upgrade libkadm5clnt-mit7 1.8.3+dfsg-2 1.8.3+dfsg-3 2010-12-09 16:34:12 upgrade desktop-base 5.0.6 6.0.2 2010-12-09 16:34:15 upgrade gthumb 3:2.11.5-3 3:2.11.5-4 2010-12-09 16:34:17 upgrade gthumb-data 3:2.11.5-3 3:2.11.5-4 2010-12-09 16:34:20 upgrade php5-cli 5.3.3-4 5.3.3-5 2010-12-09 16:34:21 upgrade php5-mysql 5.3.3-4 5.3.3-5 2010-12-09 16:34:22 upgrade php5-mcrypt 5.3.3-4 5.3.3-5 2010-12-09 16:34:24 upgrade php5-gd 5.3.3-4 5.3.3-5 2010-12-09 16:34:25 upgrade libapache2-mod-php5 5.3.3-4 5.3.3-5 2010-12-09 16:34:26 upgrade php5-common 5.3.3-4 5.3.3-5 2010-12-09 16:34:27 upgrade libasyncns0 0.3-1 0.3-1.1 2010-12-09 16:34:28 upgrade libwebkit-1.0-common 1.2.5-2 1.2.5-2.1 2010-12-09 16:34:30 upgrade libwebkit-1.0-2 1.2.5-2 1.2.5-2.1 2010-12-09 16:34:31 upgrade php-pear 5.3.3-4 5.3.3-5 2010-12-09 16:34:33 upgrade php5 5.3.3-4 5.3.3-5 2010-12-09 16:34:35 upgrade python2.5 2.5.5-10 2.5.5-11 2010-12-09 16:34:37 upgrade python2.5-minimal 2.5.5-10 2.5.5-11 2010-12-09 16:34:38 upgrade wpasupplicant 0.6.10-2 0.6.10-2.1 2010-12-09 16:34:40 upgrade dhcp3-client 4.1.1-P1-12 4.1.1-P1-15 2010-12-09 16:34:41 upgrade dhcp3-common 4.1.1-P1-12 4.1.1-P1-15
Re: debian testing amd64: X windows trouble after todays updates. (input events problem?)
On Thu, 9 Dec 2010, Peter Koellner wrote: I switched between xdm and gdm, and the problem with unresponsive window manager and locked in focused window seems to go away with that, though I am not totally sure. Today I am having the same effect after starting the gnome session via xdm, so the display manager has nothing to do with it. The input events seem to reach the window manager and gnome panels occasionally, but I have to try for minutes until I am able to switch focus, close a window or start another application. I don't see any error messages. This is an effect so bad I have not experienced ever with debian during the last twelve years or so. The gnome panel gets redrawn on schedule and I can use my application in keyboard focus, but mouse events seem to have difficulties. xpdf left a dysfunctional menu on the display, when I try to click the Quit menu entry the mouseclick event reaches the gnome panel below instead and minimizes the xpdf window. So I guess some part of the X input event handling got clobbered. -- peter koellner -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.02.1012101401330.2...@kropotkin
Re: debian testing amd64: X windows trouble after todays updates. (gdm problem?)
I switched between xdm and gdm, and the problem with unresponsive window manager and locked in focused window seems to go away with that, though I am not totally sure. Inbetween, it worked with gdm for a short time, but on the second try I started a terminal window and iceweasel/firefox in quick succession from the panel, and afterwards could not switch or move windows or use the panel again for some time. Now I have configured xdm as default window manager and until now there have not been any problems. The virtual console problem is still there, I guess there is some problem with the 16:9 geometry there, but I have no idea where to start searching. -- peter koellner -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.02.1012091952150.3...@kropotkin
debian testing amd64: X windows trouble after todays updates. (gdm problem?)
Hi! I am running a lenovo thinkpad T510 with debian testing. after doing a maintenance package update today, I discovered that the gnome desktop locked up frequently. That is, the current foreground application still gets mouse and keypoard input, but window manager and gnome panel funcionality went dead. Occasionally responsiveness came back, but I could not really reproduce that. Next thing what happened was when I switched to console I discovered that the console ran out a few lines at the bottom, so I could not see the current line. I guess this is a different problem not necessarily connected and could be older since I did not use console mode for a couple of weeks. After doing a few reboots and trials I switched gdm over to a twm session. TWM got the same problem, locking me in after opening an xterm, which I could not even resize afterwards. After a while and some random key/mousebutton combinations, it worked again for some time but not for long. I could not reproduce the circumstances of failure, but apart from the xterm window itself the window manager does not seem to be responsive. Unfortunately the thing is conected via WLAN and this Gnome network thingy does not bother to start the connection from console, so the laptop is now disconnected until I figure out how to configure wpa_supplicant again without that gnome-based stuff.. Basic data: uname -a Linux kropotkin 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Nov 25 18:02:11 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux lspci tells me: VGA: nVidia Corp. GT218 [NVS 3100M] Display size: 1920x1080 nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 version 195.36.31+2 nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-amd64 version 195.36.31+2 all the other nvidia modules show version 195.36.31-6 In top, I see Xorg at 85% CPU usage, twm around 40%. After leaving xterm, twm seems to want to place some new window i cancelled long ago. It seems that Xwindows switched to modal windows somehow... then I have shut down gdm and started X manually from console by startx. This seems to work even with gnome so I suspect it might be a gdm problem. I can provide more details as soon as I have the laptop itself reconnected to the net. The effect started after updating packages about four hours ago. I am not sure which package is the culprit, but it has to be a recent change somewhere. I'll now put together the list of installed packages. and more information. So where should I go next to report the problem? Replies to me in CC. please. -- peter koellner -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.osx.2.00.1012091834450@local.meinefc.de
Re: no x windows part2
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. < b...@iguanasuicide.net> wrote: > In , shawn > wilson wrote: > >so, i'm installing dependencies for drupal on this debian box. it wants > >php5-gd which has some x windows dependencies. > > It depends on libx11-6. I guess gd.so needs some symbols from that > library. > > This might be needed for converting to/from some X11-specific image > formats. > Alternatively, it might be needlessly pulled in based on over-zealous > linking. > Lintian does check for some of that, you might check the PTS for any known > issues for php5-gd. > > >so, why is it necessary to have the x windows server to convert images? > > libx11-6 does not contain nor depend on an X11 server. It is the client > libraries, which allow an X11 client program to communicate with an X11 > server, if needed. > > There's a massive difference from being able to connect to an X11 server as > a > client and requiring a running X11 server to function. > so, i ended up saying screw it, and ended up just letting it install. i'll just let apt-get install what it wants. i installed some of the harden* packages and i'll make sure apparmor or selinux is configured as good as i can manage and install tripwire before i go live and call it a day.
Re: no x windows part2
In , shawn wilson wrote: >so, i'm installing dependencies for drupal on this debian box. it wants >php5-gd which has some x windows dependencies. It depends on libx11-6. I guess gd.so needs some symbols from that library. This might be needed for converting to/from some X11-specific image formats. Alternatively, it might be needlessly pulled in based on over-zealous linking. Lintian does check for some of that, you might check the PTS for any known issues for php5-gd. >so, why is it necessary to have the x windows server to convert images? libx11-6 does not contain nor depend on an X11 server. It is the client libraries, which allow an X11 client program to communicate with an X11 server, if needed. There's a massive difference from being able to connect to an X11 server as a client and requiring a running X11 server to function. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
no x windows part2
so, i'm installing dependencies for drupal on this debian box. it wants php5-gd which has some x windows dependencies. just for the heck of it, i checked imagemagick which has more dependencies. the only thing i can find in the package that might be required by anything is: /etc/init.d/x11-common /usr/X11R6/bin /usr/bin/X11 so, why is it necessary to have the x windows server to convert images?
Re: no x windows
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 1:12 AM, shawn wilson wrote:
> yes, thanks. that did the trick nicely.
>
> i did an:
> apt-cache show openssh-server | grep Depends | sed -e 's/,/\n'
> which of course didn't show the 'Recommends' so i totally missed looking
> for that.
>
> though, i don't think i'll forget this one again any time soon :)
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 12:55 AM, Phil Requirements <
> simultane...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> On 2010-12-04 23:07:31 -0500, shawn wilson wrote:
>> > so, i go to install openssh-server on a machine that i intend to be a
>> web
>> > development environment and it wants to install libx11-6, x11-common,
>> > libx11-data and some other stuff. i went to track down what was
>> depending on
>> > x libraries, but i decided it really doesn't matter - why do i need x
>> > libraries to run an ssh server?
>>
>> You certainly don't need X to have a ssh server. I only looked at it
>> it briefly, but I'm guessing it tried to install the package "xauth",
>> which is a "recommends" of openssh-server.
>>
>> The new default for aptitude is to say "yes" to recommends. There is a
>> way to configure your machine so that it says "no" by default to
>> recommends. That has been discussed recently on this list.
>>
>> > i've spent two hours googling (and even bing) on how to keep x windows
>> off
>> > of debian. i've found tons of stuff about x windows problems which is
>> ironic
>> > since my problem is keeping a minimalistic system which doesn't include
>> x. i
>> > know one of the options gentoo's ports offers is not installing x (or
>> used
>> > to offer).
>>
>> I can see that you would have trouble find that information in a web
>> search. I think that getting a system with X should be as simple as
>> not allowing it to be installed. I think the problem you are running
>> into is that the package system is pulling in recommends
>> automatically.
>>
>> > i've found some options in dpkg, but nothing in apt-get. i don't see
>> anyway
>> > to pass dpkg's --ignore-depends with apt-get. i'm thinking i'm looking
>> for
>> > something in /etc/apt/apt.conf or apt-config but i can't come up with
>> > anything.
>>
>> You can ignore a recommends at the time of installing by doing:
>>
>>aptitude install openssh-server -R
>>
>> I don't use apt-get, but when I search inside the man page...
>>
>>man apt-get
>>
>> ...I see the option "--no-install-recommends". So that would translate
>> into:
>>
>>apt-get install openssh-server --no-install-recommends
>>
>> If you want to set an option so that aptitude says "no" by default
>> to recommends, you can try this tutorial:
>>
>>
>> http://linux.koolsolutions.com/2009/01/07/howto-tell-apt-get-not-to-install-recommends-packages-in-debian-linux/
>>
>
since i prefer apt-get;
after messing around with this stuff for a while;
apt-get() {if [[ $1 == "install" ]]; then command apt-get "$@"
--no-install-recommends ; else command apt-get "$@"; fi; }
i decided to look at apt.conf and between google and
/usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz i came up with this:
# cat apt.conf
APT::Install-Recommends "0";
APT::Install-Suggests "0";
which could probably be written better as:
APT {
Install-Recommends "False";
Install-Suggests "False";
};
thanks again for the help
>
>>
> > is it possible to have a functioning debian install without x windows? if
>> > so, why isn't this documented maybe in the debian faq or something?
>>
>> Yes, many computers do not use X, especially server computers.
>>
>> I think one reason it is not documented is because many people setting
>> up CLI-only computers, or server computers, are already experienced
>> with wrangling their package management software.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>
Re: no x windows
yes, thanks. that did the trick nicely. i did an: apt-cache show openssh-server | grep Depends | sed -e 's/,/\n' which of course didn't show the 'Recommends' so i totally missed looking for that. though, i don't think i'll forget this one again any time soon :) On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 12:55 AM, Phil Requirements wrote: > On 2010-12-04 23:07:31 -0500, shawn wilson wrote: > > so, i go to install openssh-server on a machine that i intend to be a web > > development environment and it wants to install libx11-6, x11-common, > > libx11-data and some other stuff. i went to track down what was depending > on > > x libraries, but i decided it really doesn't matter - why do i need x > > libraries to run an ssh server? > > You certainly don't need X to have a ssh server. I only looked at it > it briefly, but I'm guessing it tried to install the package "xauth", > which is a "recommends" of openssh-server. > > The new default for aptitude is to say "yes" to recommends. There is a > way to configure your machine so that it says "no" by default to > recommends. That has been discussed recently on this list. > > > i've spent two hours googling (and even bing) on how to keep x windows > off > > of debian. i've found tons of stuff about x windows problems which is > ironic > > since my problem is keeping a minimalistic system which doesn't include > x. i > > know one of the options gentoo's ports offers is not installing x (or > used > > to offer). > > I can see that you would have trouble find that information in a web > search. I think that getting a system with X should be as simple as > not allowing it to be installed. I think the problem you are running > into is that the package system is pulling in recommends > automatically. > > > i've found some options in dpkg, but nothing in apt-get. i don't see > anyway > > to pass dpkg's --ignore-depends with apt-get. i'm thinking i'm looking > for > > something in /etc/apt/apt.conf or apt-config but i can't come up with > > anything. > > You can ignore a recommends at the time of installing by doing: > >aptitude install openssh-server -R > > I don't use apt-get, but when I search inside the man page... > >man apt-get > > ...I see the option "--no-install-recommends". So that would translate > into: > >apt-get install openssh-server --no-install-recommends > > If you want to set an option so that aptitude says "no" by default > to recommends, you can try this tutorial: > > > http://linux.koolsolutions.com/2009/01/07/howto-tell-apt-get-not-to-install-recommends-packages-in-debian-linux/ > > > is it possible to have a functioning debian install without x windows? if > > so, why isn't this documented maybe in the debian faq or something? > > Yes, many computers do not use X, especially server computers. > > I think one reason it is not documented is because many people setting > up CLI-only computers, or server computers, are already experienced > with wrangling their package management software. > > Hope this helps, > > Phil > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2010120507.ga18...@kasploosh.net > >
Re: no x windows
On 2010-12-04 23:07:31 -0500, shawn wilson wrote: > so, i go to install openssh-server on a machine that i intend to be a web > development environment and it wants to install libx11-6, x11-common, > libx11-data and some other stuff. i went to track down what was depending on > x libraries, but i decided it really doesn't matter - why do i need x > libraries to run an ssh server? You certainly don't need X to have a ssh server. I only looked at it it briefly, but I'm guessing it tried to install the package "xauth", which is a "recommends" of openssh-server. The new default for aptitude is to say "yes" to recommends. There is a way to configure your machine so that it says "no" by default to recommends. That has been discussed recently on this list. > i've spent two hours googling (and even bing) on how to keep x windows off > of debian. i've found tons of stuff about x windows problems which is ironic > since my problem is keeping a minimalistic system which doesn't include x. i > know one of the options gentoo's ports offers is not installing x (or used > to offer). I can see that you would have trouble find that information in a web search. I think that getting a system with X should be as simple as not allowing it to be installed. I think the problem you are running into is that the package system is pulling in recommends automatically. > i've found some options in dpkg, but nothing in apt-get. i don't see anyway > to pass dpkg's --ignore-depends with apt-get. i'm thinking i'm looking for > something in /etc/apt/apt.conf or apt-config but i can't come up with > anything. You can ignore a recommends at the time of installing by doing: aptitude install openssh-server -R I don't use apt-get, but when I search inside the man page... man apt-get ...I see the option "--no-install-recommends". So that would translate into: apt-get install openssh-server --no-install-recommends If you want to set an option so that aptitude says "no" by default to recommends, you can try this tutorial: http://linux.koolsolutions.com/2009/01/07/howto-tell-apt-get-not-to-install-recommends-packages-in-debian-linux/ > is it possible to have a functioning debian install without x windows? if > so, why isn't this documented maybe in the debian faq or something? Yes, many computers do not use X, especially server computers. I think one reason it is not documented is because many people setting up CLI-only computers, or server computers, are already experienced with wrangling their package management software. Hope this helps, Phil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2010120507.ga18...@kasploosh.net
Re: no x windows
shawn wilson wrote: > why do i need x libraries to run an ssh server? Probably because SSH supports X protocol tunneling. > i've spent two hours googling (and even bing) on how to keep x windows off > of debian. But you're not installing X Windows. It's not requiring that you install the X server, right? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101205053238.ga17...@adsl-64-142-29-25.sonic.net
no x windows
so, i go to install openssh-server on a machine that i intend to be a web development environment and it wants to install libx11-6, x11-common, libx11-data and some other stuff. i went to track down what was depending on x libraries, but i decided it really doesn't matter - why do i need x libraries to run an ssh server? i've spent two hours googling (and even bing) on how to keep x windows off of debian. i've found tons of stuff about x windows problems which is ironic since my problem is keeping a minimalistic system which doesn't include x. i know one of the options gentoo's ports offers is not installing x (or used to offer). i've found some options in dpkg, but nothing in apt-get. i don't see anyway to pass dpkg's --ignore-depends with apt-get. i'm thinking i'm looking for something in /etc/apt/apt.conf or apt-config but i can't come up with anything. is it possible to have a functioning debian install without x windows? if so, why isn't this documented maybe in the debian faq or something?
Re: Bizarre X windows behaviour?
Dne, 21. 11. 2009 00:10:15 je Andrew Sackville-West napisal(a): > > Running Debian lenny. I installed the Catalyst driver (from > > manufacturer) for my ATI Radeon > > HD 4550 card and it seems to be working, but I noticed something I may be misreading your post, but it would be smarter if you installed the fglrx package(s) from the 'non-free' repository instead of the 'from manufacturer' driver. You should first uninstall your current Catalyst driver, of course. -- Regards and good luck, Klistvud Certifiable Loonix User #481801 http://bufferoverflow.tiddlyspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bizarre X windows behaviour?
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:23:34PM -0500, Zachary Uram wrote: > Running Debian lenny. I installed the Catalyst driver (from > manufacturer) for my ATI Radeon > HD 4550 card and it seems to be working, but I noticed something weird. > Now when I move a window it no longer shows the window static as it is > being moved, > it's like it keeps redrawing it as I move it. So as I drag it it will move it > a > little then redraw the window, move it a little, then redraw the > window, etc. don't take this the wrong way, but how do you think it is done? The image is redrawn constantly to give the effect of motion. It's just that usually the redraw happens fast enough for you to not see it. I don't know a thing about ATI, but it sounds to me like the driver is not making use of any hardware acceleration, so the redraw is taking longer. I'm willing to bet that if you watch your cpu, you'll see it taking the load when you rapidly move a window around. I would suggest investigating what acceleration is available for that driver/card combination. There may be options you aren't using that will remedy the situation for you. sorry I'm not more helpful, but maybe that points you in the right direction. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bizarre X windows behaviour?
Running Debian lenny. I installed the Catalyst driver (from manufacturer) for my ATI Radeon HD 4550 card and it seems to be working, but I noticed something weird. Now when I move a window it no longer shows the window static as it is being moved, it's like it keeps redrawing it as I move it. So as I drag it it will move it a little then redraw the window, move it a little, then redraw the window, etc. Also I noticed in Firefox when I scroll it does the same thing, instead of keeping the text fixed it redraws the text as the scroller moves. i really don't like this. It didn't do this in Ubuntu and I used to same driver. How can I fix this? Here is my /etc/X11/xorg.conf # xorg.conf (X.Org X Window System server configuration file) # # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using # values from the debconf database. # # Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page. # (Type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.) # # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only* # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg # package. # # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated # again, run the following command: # sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "aticonfig Layout" Screen 0 "aticonfig-Screen[0]-0" 0 0 EndSection Section "Files" EndSection Section "Module" EndSection Section "ServerFlags" Option "Xinerama" "off" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Generic Keyboard" Driver "kbd" Option "XkbRules" "xorg" Option "XkbModel" "pc104" Option "XkbLayout" "us" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Configured Mouse" Driver "mouse" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Configured Monitor" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "aticonfig-Monitor[0]-0" Option "VendorName" "ATI Proprietary Driver" Option "ModelName" "Generic Autodetecting Monitor" Option "DPMS" "true" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "0-CRT2" Option "VendorName" "ATI Proprietary Driver" Option "ModelName" "Generic Autodetecting Monitor" Option "DPMS" "true" Option "PreferredMode" "1440x900" Option "TargetRefresh" "60" Option "Position" "0 0" Option "Rotate" "normal" Option "Disable" "false" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Configured Video Device" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "aticonfig-Device[0]-0" Driver "fglrx" Option "Monitor-CRT2" "0-CRT2" BusID "PCI:1:0:0" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" Monitor"Configured Monitor" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "aticonfig-Screen[0]-0" Device "aticonfig-Device[0]-0" Monitor"aticonfig-Monitor[0]-0" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 EndSubSection EndSection Regards, Zach -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: debian 4.0 r0 installation - x-windows starts but gets stuck in black in white screen
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 04:53:53AM -0800, 2006me wrote: > Hi, I have the following issue. When I start my recent debian > installation (4.0 r0) everything work fine except when it comes to > start the x-window. It starts up but gets stuck in a black and white > screen with the mouse pointer as a X. right away. well. this is good. It means X is working. > Nothing else > happens. Gnome will not come up even if you wait a while (say 20 > min). have you installed Gnome? How do you start your X session: from a console prompt with 'startx' or from gdm|xdm|kdm? > I don't really > know where to start looking for error messages. /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but X is working so that won't say much. maybe ~/.xsession-errors but I bet that's empty. > > It would be a great help if you could point me to where I should > continue the search my x-window issues. So I can fix my own box. I'm guessing you don't actually have a window manager or desktop environment installed. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
debian 4.0 r0 installation - x-windows starts but gets stuck in black in white screen
Hi, I have the following issue. When I start my recent debian installation (4.0 r0) everything work fine except when it comes to start the x-window. It starts up but gets stuck in a black and white screen with the mouse pointer as a X. right away. Nothing else happens. Gnome will not come up even if you wait a while (say 20 min). I don't really know where to start looking for error messages. It would be a great help if you could point me to where I should continue the search my x-window issues. So I can fix my own box. Thanks. Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Launch App without X-Windows
On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 04:08:02PM -0500, Stephen Yorke wrote: > Thanks a lot Andrew. > > I think you have cleared up a few things for me now and think I have to > go and research the .xinitrc file and see if that is going to work > properly with fluxbox so I can get rid of GDM and just launch a single > app on boot up...sort of a Kiosk type setup for a LiveCD project which > was just thrown at me. well, you don't even need fluxbox. if its just the single app and that's all you want to run, then a one line xinitrc should do it. A > > On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 02:26:07PM -0500, Stephen Yorke wrote: > > Thanks for the quick response. > > > > So it seems like I would ALWAYS need an X-Server but I can do without > a Window Manager. > > no you don't ALWAYS need an X-server. However, to run X applications, > you do. You are correct in that you do not need a window manager. You > can run an X application all on its own within X. for example, you could > (assuming you have X configured), create a .xinitrc file in your home > directory with the following contents: > > firefox > > then type startx at the command prompt and you'll get an X session with > just the one application running in it, probably full screen. How well > this might behave is debateable. > > you can also do away with all the *dm's and just run a windowmanager > directly with an .xinitrc that looks like this > > fvwm > > or whatever window manager you want. > > A > signature.asc Description: Digital signature
RE: Launch App without X-Windows
Thanks a lot Andrew. I think you have cleared up a few things for me now and think I have to go and research the .xinitrc file and see if that is going to work properly with fluxbox so I can get rid of GDM and just launch a single app on boot up...sort of a Kiosk type setup for a LiveCD project which was just thrown at me. Thanks again for the answers. -Stephen -Original Message- From: Andrew Sackville-West [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 3:51 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Launch App without X-Windows On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 02:26:07PM -0500, Stephen Yorke wrote: > Thanks for the quick response. > > So it seems like I would ALWAYS need an X-Server but I can do without a Window Manager. no you don't ALWAYS need an X-server. However, to run X applications, you do. You are correct in that you do not need a window manager. You can run an X application all on its own within X. for example, you could (assuming you have X configured), create a .xinitrc file in your home directory with the following contents: firefox then type startx at the command prompt and you'll get an X session with just the one application running in it, probably full screen. How well this might behave is debateable. you can also do away with all the *dm's and just run a windowmanager directly with an .xinitrc that looks like this fvwm or whatever window manager you want. A > > -Stephen > > > > From: Kevin Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wed 1/10/2007 2:23 PM > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Launch App without X-Windows > > > > On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 01:55:21PM -0500, Stephen Yorke wrote: > > Hello all and thanks in advance to any replies I get to this message. > > > > I have a couple of things... > > > > What I want to do is be able to launch applications without actually > > loading X. What I mean is, I want to load RDesktop or Firefox or > > some other application and without actually having a desktop > > environment have the applications still launch for me. > > > > 1. What necessary pieces would I absolutely have to have in place? > > (Window Manager, Video stuff, Mouse, Keyboard, ETC) 2. Any > > recommended links to read about what I actually want to do? > > > > Thanks a lot, Stephen > Hi Stephen, > here is some info: > firefox requires X windows. X windows has certain requirements. > video card->kernel modules->kernel-> X windows modules-> x server+>firefox >window manager+ > x libraries+ > > There are many types of applications: > console > curses-based > frame-buffer based > > x based > -athena-based > -qt based > -gtk based > -other toolkits > -x frame buffer based > > The only way I know of running an X windows app with out using a > regular X server is by using the x virtual frame buffer server. > > $ apt-cache show xvfb > Package: xvfb > Priority: optional > Section: x11 > Installed-Size: 3800 > Maintainer: Debian X Strike Force > Architecture: i386 > Source: xorg-server > Version: 2:1.1.1-14 > Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libfontenc1, libxau6, libxdmcp6, > libxfont1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) > Recommends: xbase-clients > Filename: pool/main/x/xorg-server/xvfb_1.1.1-14_i386.deb > Size: 1536234 > MD5sum: 4f008f696f8aa23aef59090898a2a63b > SHA1: 539a380d0dc0f16ba81c7eeb371e307524645d0e > SHA256: > 8590b30e11df3684e49bd70b5946215eeab71d64881974507b15279c933559cf > Description: Virtual Framebuffer 'fake' X server Xvfb provides an X > server that can run on machines with no display hardware and no > physical input devices. It emulates a dumb framebuffer using virtual > memory. The primary use of this server was intended to be server > testing, but other novel uses for it have been found, including > testing clients against unusual depths and screen configurations, > doing batch processing with Xvfb as a background rendering engine, > load testing, as an aid to porting the X server to a new platform, > and providing an unobtrusive way to run applications that don't > really need an X server but insist on having one anyway. > . > This package also contains a convenience script called xvfb-run which > simplifies the automated execution of X clients in a virtual server > environment. This convenience script requires the use of the xauth > program. > . > More information about X.Org can be found at: > http://xorg.free
Re: Launch App without X-Windows
On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 02:26:07PM -0500, Stephen Yorke wrote: > Thanks for the quick response. > > So it seems like I would ALWAYS need an X-Server but I can do without a > Window Manager. no you don't ALWAYS need an X-server. However, to run X applications, you do. You are correct in that you do not need a window manager. You can run an X application all on its own within X. for example, you could (assuming you have X configured), create a .xinitrc file in your home directory with the following contents: firefox then type startx at the command prompt and you'll get an X session with just the one application running in it, probably full screen. How well this might behave is debateable. you can also do away with all the *dm's and just run a windowmanager directly with an .xinitrc that looks like this fvwm or whatever window manager you want. A > > -Stephen > > > > From: Kevin Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wed 1/10/2007 2:23 PM > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Launch App without X-Windows > > > > On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 01:55:21PM -0500, Stephen Yorke wrote: > > Hello all and thanks in advance to any replies I get to this message. > > > > I have a couple of things... > > > > What I want to do is be able to launch applications without actually > > loading X. What I mean is, I want to load RDesktop or Firefox or some > > other application and without actually having a desktop environment > > have the applications still launch for me. > > > > 1. What necessary pieces would I absolutely have to have in place? > > (Window Manager, Video stuff, Mouse, Keyboard, ETC) 2. Any recommended > > links to read about what I actually want to do? > > > > Thanks a lot, Stephen > Hi Stephen, > here is some info: > firefox requires X windows. X windows has certain requirements. > video card->kernel modules->kernel-> X windows modules-> x server+>firefox >window manager+ > x libraries+ > > There are many types of applications: > console > curses-based > frame-buffer based > > x based > -athena-based > -qt based > -gtk based > -other toolkits > -x frame buffer based > > The only way I know of running an X windows app with out using a regular > X server is by using the x virtual frame buffer server. > > $ apt-cache show xvfb > Package: xvfb > Priority: optional > Section: x11 > Installed-Size: 3800 > Maintainer: Debian X Strike Force > Architecture: i386 > Source: xorg-server > Version: 2:1.1.1-14 > Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libfontenc1, libxau6, libxdmcp6, libxfont1, > zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) > Recommends: xbase-clients > Filename: pool/main/x/xorg-server/xvfb_1.1.1-14_i386.deb > Size: 1536234 > MD5sum: 4f008f696f8aa23aef59090898a2a63b > SHA1: 539a380d0dc0f16ba81c7eeb371e307524645d0e > SHA256: 8590b30e11df3684e49bd70b5946215eeab71d64881974507b15279c933559cf > Description: Virtual Framebuffer 'fake' X server > Xvfb provides an X server that can run on machines with no display hardware > and no physical input devices. It emulates a dumb framebuffer using virtual > memory. The primary use of this server was intended to be server testing, > but other novel uses for it have been found, including testing clients > against unusual depths and screen configurations, doing batch processing with > Xvfb as a background rendering engine, load testing, as an aid to porting the > X server to a new platform, and providing an unobtrusive way to run > applications that don't really need an X server but insist on having one > anyway. > . > This package also contains a convenience script called xvfb-run which > simplifies the automated execution of X clients in a virtual server > environment. This convenience script requires the use of the xauth > program. > . > More information about X.Org can be found at: > http://xorg.freedesktop.org <http://xorg.freedesktop.org/> > > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg> > . > This module can be found as the module 'xserver/xorg' at > :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs/xorg > Tag: interface::framebuffer, network::server, role::program, x11::xserver > cheers, > Kev > -- > | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | > | : :' : The Universal | 'under construction' | > | `. `' Operating System| go to counter.li.org and | > | `-http://www.debian.org/ |be counted! #238656 | > | my keysever: subkeys.pgp.net | my NPO: cfsg.org | > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > signature.asc Description: Digital signature
RE: Launch App without X-Windows
Or no Desktop Manager...no KDM, GDM, ETC... -Original Message- From: Kevin Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 2:24 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Launch App without X-Windows -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 01:55:21PM -0500, Stephen Yorke wrote: > Hello all and thanks in advance to any replies I get to this message. > > I have a couple of things... > > What I want to do is be able to launch applications without actually > loading X. What I mean is, I want to load RDesktop or Firefox or some > other application and without actually having a desktop environment > have the applications still launch for me. > > 1. What necessary pieces would I absolutely have to have in place? > (Window Manager, Video stuff, Mouse, Keyboard, ETC) 2. Any recommended > links to read about what I actually want to do? > > Thanks a lot, Stephen Hi Stephen, here is some info: firefox requires X windows. X windows has certain requirements. video card->kernel modules->kernel-> X windows modules-> x server+>firefox window manager+ x libraries+ There are many types of applications: console curses-based frame-buffer based x based - -athena-based - -qt based - -gtk based - -other toolkits - -x frame buffer based The only way I know of running an X windows app with out using a regular X server is by using the x virtual frame buffer server. $ apt-cache show xvfb Package: xvfb Priority: optional Section: x11 Installed-Size: 3800 Maintainer: Debian X Strike Force Architecture: i386 Source: xorg-server Version: 2:1.1.1-14 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libfontenc1, libxau6, libxdmcp6, libxfont1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) Recommends: xbase-clients Filename: pool/main/x/xorg-server/xvfb_1.1.1-14_i386.deb Size: 1536234 MD5sum: 4f008f696f8aa23aef59090898a2a63b SHA1: 539a380d0dc0f16ba81c7eeb371e307524645d0e SHA256: 8590b30e11df3684e49bd70b5946215eeab71d64881974507b15279c933559cf Description: Virtual Framebuffer 'fake' X server Xvfb provides an X server that can run on machines with no display hardware and no physical input devices. It emulates a dumb framebuffer using virtual memory. The primary use of this server was intended to be server testing, but other novel uses for it have been found, including testing clients against unusual depths and screen configurations, doing batch processing with Xvfb as a background rendering engine, load testing, as an aid to porting the X server to a new platform, and providing an unobtrusive way to run applications that don't really need an X server but insist on having one anyway. . This package also contains a convenience script called xvfb-run which simplifies the automated execution of X clients in a virtual server environment. This convenience script requires the use of the xauth program. . More information about X.Org can be found at: http://xorg.freedesktop.org> http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg> . This module can be found as the module 'xserver/xorg' at :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs/xorg Tag: interface::framebuffer, network::server, role::program, x11::xserver cheers, Kev - -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal | 'under construction' | | `. `' Operating System| go to counter.li.org and | | `-http://www.debian.org/ |be counted! #238656 | | my keysever: subkeys.pgp.net | my NPO: cfsg.org | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFpT0+v8UcC1qRZVMRAp9qAJ4v4Sw4cT+nE3oHKulNYsChikkEeACdFnrY S4m4BYpQQc4z7nbmBjVoCe4= =4bXU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Launch App without X-Windows
Thanks for the quick response. So it seems like I would ALWAYS need an X-Server but I can do without a Window Manager. -Stephen From: Kevin Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 1/10/2007 2:23 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Launch App without X-Windows -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 01:55:21PM -0500, Stephen Yorke wrote: > Hello all and thanks in advance to any replies I get to this message. > > I have a couple of things... > > What I want to do is be able to launch applications without actually > loading X. What I mean is, I want to load RDesktop or Firefox or some > other application and without actually having a desktop environment > have the applications still launch for me. > > 1. What necessary pieces would I absolutely have to have in place? > (Window Manager, Video stuff, Mouse, Keyboard, ETC) 2. Any recommended > links to read about what I actually want to do? > > Thanks a lot, Stephen Hi Stephen, here is some info: firefox requires X windows. X windows has certain requirements. video card->kernel modules->kernel-> X windows modules-> x server+>firefox window manager+ x libraries+ There are many types of applications: console curses-based frame-buffer based x based - -athena-based - -qt based - -gtk based - -other toolkits - -x frame buffer based The only way I know of running an X windows app with out using a regular X server is by using the x virtual frame buffer server. $ apt-cache show xvfb Package: xvfb Priority: optional Section: x11 Installed-Size: 3800 Maintainer: Debian X Strike Force Architecture: i386 Source: xorg-server Version: 2:1.1.1-14 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libfontenc1, libxau6, libxdmcp6, libxfont1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) Recommends: xbase-clients Filename: pool/main/x/xorg-server/xvfb_1.1.1-14_i386.deb Size: 1536234 MD5sum: 4f008f696f8aa23aef59090898a2a63b SHA1: 539a380d0dc0f16ba81c7eeb371e307524645d0e SHA256: 8590b30e11df3684e49bd70b5946215eeab71d64881974507b15279c933559cf Description: Virtual Framebuffer 'fake' X server Xvfb provides an X server that can run on machines with no display hardware and no physical input devices. It emulates a dumb framebuffer using virtual memory. The primary use of this server was intended to be server testing, but other novel uses for it have been found, including testing clients against unusual depths and screen configurations, doing batch processing with Xvfb as a background rendering engine, load testing, as an aid to porting the X server to a new platform, and providing an unobtrusive way to run applications that don't really need an X server but insist on having one anyway. . This package also contains a convenience script called xvfb-run which simplifies the automated execution of X clients in a virtual server environment. This convenience script requires the use of the xauth program. . More information about X.Org can be found at: http://xorg.freedesktop.org <http://xorg.freedesktop.org/> > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg> . This module can be found as the module 'xserver/xorg' at :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs/xorg Tag: interface::framebuffer, network::server, role::program, x11::xserver cheers, Kev - -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal | 'under construction' | | `. `' Operating System| go to counter.li.org and | | `-http://www.debian.org/ |be counted! #238656 | | my keysever: subkeys.pgp.net | my NPO: cfsg.org | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFpT0+v8UcC1qRZVMRAp9qAJ4v4Sw4cT+nE3oHKulNYsChikkEeACdFnrY S4m4BYpQQc4z7nbmBjVoCe4= =4bXU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Launch App without X-Windows
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 01:55:21PM -0500, Stephen Yorke wrote: > Hello all and thanks in advance to any replies I get to this message. > > I have a couple of things... > > What I want to do is be able to launch applications without actually > loading X. What I mean is, I want to load RDesktop or Firefox or some > other application and without actually having a desktop environment > have the applications still launch for me. > > 1. What necessary pieces would I absolutely have to have in place? > (Window Manager, Video stuff, Mouse, Keyboard, ETC) 2. Any recommended > links to read about what I actually want to do? > > Thanks a lot, Stephen Hi Stephen, here is some info: firefox requires X windows. X windows has certain requirements. video card->kernel modules->kernel-> X windows modules-> x server+>firefox window manager+ x libraries+ There are many types of applications: console curses-based frame-buffer based x based - -athena-based - -qt based - -gtk based - -other toolkits - -x frame buffer based The only way I know of running an X windows app with out using a regular X server is by using the x virtual frame buffer server. $ apt-cache show xvfb Package: xvfb Priority: optional Section: x11 Installed-Size: 3800 Maintainer: Debian X Strike Force Architecture: i386 Source: xorg-server Version: 2:1.1.1-14 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libfontenc1, libxau6, libxdmcp6, libxfont1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) Recommends: xbase-clients Filename: pool/main/x/xorg-server/xvfb_1.1.1-14_i386.deb Size: 1536234 MD5sum: 4f008f696f8aa23aef59090898a2a63b SHA1: 539a380d0dc0f16ba81c7eeb371e307524645d0e SHA256: 8590b30e11df3684e49bd70b5946215eeab71d64881974507b15279c933559cf Description: Virtual Framebuffer 'fake' X server Xvfb provides an X server that can run on machines with no display hardware and no physical input devices. It emulates a dumb framebuffer using virtual memory. The primary use of this server was intended to be server testing, but other novel uses for it have been found, including testing clients against unusual depths and screen configurations, doing batch processing with Xvfb as a background rendering engine, load testing, as an aid to porting the X server to a new platform, and providing an unobtrusive way to run applications that don't really need an X server but insist on having one anyway. . This package also contains a convenience script called xvfb-run which simplifies the automated execution of X clients in a virtual server environment. This convenience script requires the use of the xauth program. . More information about X.Org can be found at: http://xorg.freedesktop.org> http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg> . This module can be found as the module 'xserver/xorg' at :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs/xorg Tag: interface::framebuffer, network::server, role::program, x11::xserver cheers, Kev - -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal | 'under construction' | | `. `' Operating System| go to counter.li.org and | | `-http://www.debian.org/ |be counted! #238656 | | my keysever: subkeys.pgp.net | my NPO: cfsg.org | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFpT0+v8UcC1qRZVMRAp9qAJ4v4Sw4cT+nE3oHKulNYsChikkEeACdFnrY S4m4BYpQQc4z7nbmBjVoCe4= =4bXU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Launch App without X-Windows
Hello all and thanks in advance to any replies I get to this message. I have a couple of things... What I want to do is be able to launch applications without actually loading X. What I mean is, I want to load RDesktop or Firefox or some other application and without actually having a desktop environment have the applications still launch for me. 1. What necessary pieces would I absolutely have to have in place? (Window Manager, Video stuff, Mouse, Keyboard, ETC) 2. Any recommended links to read about what I actually want to do? Thanks a lot, Stephen
RE: Minimal X-Windows Setup
This worked GREAT...although it only saved me 1MB in my final LiveCD ISO but hey...it is a start. I guess it is all about how you enter your package list...I put what I really wanted before xserver-xorg and it worked like a champ...none of that extra stuff. Thanks a lot. -Yorke -Original Message- From: Kevin B. McCarty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 3:31 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: RE: Minimal X-Windows Setup Stephen Yorke wrote: > I have tried the EXACT listing you have here but it still puts on all > the xserver-xorg-video-* stuff...I do not know exactly how much overhead > these packages add but I would really rather using just the VESA driver > and remove the rest...but a question about that...how do I force the > usage of just the VESA driver? If you're using aptitude or apt-get at the command line, try putting xserver-xorg-video-vesa at the beginning of the list, like this: aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-vesa xserver-xorg [...] or else just install xserver-xorg-video-vesa FIRST and then all the other stuff in a second run. The trick here is that the -vesa package Provides "xserver-xorg-video". So if you install xserver-xorg-video-vesa FIRST, then xserver-xorg's dependency on "xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video" is satisfied without APT having to pull in xserver-xorg-video-all (a meta-package that, as its name says, pulls in every video driver). Similarly you can specify a particular package that Provides "xserver-xorg-input" to prevent the xserver-xorg-input-all meta-package from pulling in all the input drivers. Just make sure you know exactly which one you need! And if you change your hardware in the future, remember that you may need to install new -video- and/or -input- packages to suit. best regards, -- Kevin B. McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Physics Department WWW: http://www.princeton.edu/~kmccarty/Princeton University GPG: public key ID 4F83C751 Princeton, NJ 08544 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Minimal X-Windows Setup
On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 12:31:28PM -0700, Kevin B. McCarty wrote: [...] > The trick here is that the -vesa package Provides "xserver-xorg-video". > So if you install xserver-xorg-video-vesa FIRST, then xserver-xorg's > dependency on "xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video" is satisfied > without APT having to pull in xserver-xorg-video-all (a meta-package > that, as its name says, pulls in every video driver). Is it really true that apt-get (or aptitude) doesn't realise that a dependency has been satisfied if the package that satisfies it is listed later in the command line? That doesn't sound very clever. Or is there a good reason for it? -- David Jardine "Running Debian GNU/Linux and loving every minute of it." -L. von Sacher-M.(1835-1895) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Kevin Mark wrote: > Hi Stephen, > 'x-window-system-core' < 'x-window-system', so install the former. Nope, they're exactly the same in Etch and Sid. Assuming there are no sarge, sarge security, or backports entries in your sources.list, try apt-cache show x-window-system-core | egrep '^(Depend|Suggest|Recomm)' apt-cache show x-window-system | egrep '^(Depend|Suggest|Recomm)' to see for yourself. Unfortunately there seems not to be an "xorg-core" meta-package. > but it maybe the dpkg front-end that you are using that is adding > 'suggests'. aptitude normally adds this, so you may see more things ^^ ITYM "recommends" > being downloaded. So checkout the aptitude options to turn this off and > it will install less things. best regards, -- Kevin B. McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Physics Department WWW: http://www.princeton.edu/~kmccarty/Princeton University GPG: public key ID 4F83C751 Princeton, NJ 08544 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Minimal X-Windows Setup
"Kevin B. McCarty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Stephen Yorke wrote: > > > I have tried the EXACT listing you have here but it still puts on all > > the xserver-xorg-video-* stuff...I do not know exactly how much overhead > > these packages add but I would really rather using just the VESA driver > > and remove the rest...but a question about that...how do I force the > > usage of just the VESA driver? > > If you're using aptitude or apt-get at the command line, try putting > xserver-xorg-video-vesa at the beginning of the list, like this: > > aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-vesa xserver-xorg [...] > > or else just install xserver-xorg-video-vesa FIRST and then all the > other stuff in a second run. > > The trick here is that the -vesa package Provides "xserver-xorg-video". > So if you install xserver-xorg-video-vesa FIRST, then xserver-xorg's > dependency on "xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video" is satisfied > without APT having to pull in xserver-xorg-video-all (a meta-package > that, as its name says, pulls in every video driver). > > Similarly you can specify a particular package that Provides > "xserver-xorg-input" to prevent the xserver-xorg-input-all meta-package > from pulling in all the input drivers. Just make sure you know exactly > which one you need! And if you change your hardware in the future, > remember that you may need to install new -video- and/or > -input- packages to suit. I've had good results with aptitude in interactive mode when doing stuff like this. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Minimal X-Windows Setup
Hello Stephen. Stephen Yorke, 02.10.2006 21:18: > I have tried the EXACT listing you have here but it still puts on all > the xserver-xorg-video-* stuff... That’s not a problem as you can remove unecessary video drivers anytime you want after that. > I do not know exactly how much overhead > these packages add but I would really rather using just the VESA driver > and remove the rest...but a question about that...how do I force the > usage of just the VESA driver? Set it as driver for your card in your xorg.conf. Regards, Mathias -- debian/rules signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
RE: Minimal X-Windows Setup
Stephen Yorke wrote: > I have tried the EXACT listing you have here but it still puts on all > the xserver-xorg-video-* stuff...I do not know exactly how much overhead > these packages add but I would really rather using just the VESA driver > and remove the rest...but a question about that...how do I force the > usage of just the VESA driver? If you're using aptitude or apt-get at the command line, try putting xserver-xorg-video-vesa at the beginning of the list, like this: aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-vesa xserver-xorg [...] or else just install xserver-xorg-video-vesa FIRST and then all the other stuff in a second run. The trick here is that the -vesa package Provides "xserver-xorg-video". So if you install xserver-xorg-video-vesa FIRST, then xserver-xorg's dependency on "xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video" is satisfied without APT having to pull in xserver-xorg-video-all (a meta-package that, as its name says, pulls in every video driver). Similarly you can specify a particular package that Provides "xserver-xorg-input" to prevent the xserver-xorg-input-all meta-package from pulling in all the input drivers. Just make sure you know exactly which one you need! And if you change your hardware in the future, remember that you may need to install new -video- and/or -input- packages to suit. best regards, -- Kevin B. McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Physics Department WWW: http://www.princeton.edu/~kmccarty/Princeton University GPG: public key ID 4F83C751 Princeton, NJ 08544 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I am using apt-get...so this does make total sense that all the depends are being sucked down via aptitude. Thanks...I have a little more to look at now which helps a ton. -Stephen -Original Message- From: Kevin Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 3:30 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Minimal X-Windows Setup On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 12:24:10PM -0400, Stephen Yorke wrote: > > All, > > I am looking for a basic X-Windows setup&I have tried several things but I am > just not getting it. > > Does anyone have some sort of package list which will get me a BASIC/MINIMAL X > setup. Anytime I do anything with X-WINDOW-SERVER-* I get tons of dependencies > and I do not want them. > > Mainly, I want an X setup which will allow me to view an X session log in with > GDM and have Fluxbox as my window manager. Maybe I am going about it all wrong > but I know I am going through hell trying to figure it out. > > Thanks in advance, > Stephen Hi Stephen, 'x-window-system-core' < 'x-window-system', so install the former. but it maybe the dpkg front-end that you are using that is adding 'suggests'. aptitude normally adds this, so you may see more things being downloaded. So checkout the aptitude options to turn this off and it will install less things. HTH, Kev ps. what commnd are you using to install this, if this is not the case? -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal | debian.home.pipeline.com | | `. `' Operating System| go to counter.li.org and | | `-http://www.debian.org/ |be counted! #238656 | | my keysever: pgp.mit.edu | my NPO: cfsg.org |
Re: Minimal X-Windows Setup
On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 12:24:10PM -0400, Stephen Yorke wrote: > > All, > > I am looking for a basic X-Windows setup&I have tried several things but I am > just not getting it. > > Does anyone have some sort of package list which will get me a BASIC/MINIMAL X > setup. Anytime I do anything with X-WINDOW-SERVER-* I get tons of > dependencies > and I do not want them. > > Mainly, I want an X setup which will allow me to view an X session log in with > GDM and have Fluxbox as my window manager. Maybe I am going about it all > wrong > but I know I am going through hell trying to figure it out. > > Thanks in advance, > Stephen Hi Stephen, 'x-window-system-core' < 'x-window-system', so install the former. but it maybe the dpkg front-end that you are using that is adding 'suggests'. aptitude normally adds this, so you may see more things being downloaded. So checkout the aptitude options to turn this off and it will install less things. HTH, Kev ps. what commnd are you using to install this, if this is not the case? -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal | debian.home.pipeline.com | | `. `' Operating System| go to counter.li.org and | | `-http://www.debian.org/ |be counted! #238656 | | my keysever: pgp.mit.edu | my NPO: cfsg.org | signature.asc Description: Digital signature
RE: Minimal X-Windows Setup
I have tried the EXACT listing you have here but it still puts on all the xserver-xorg-video-* stuff...I do not know exactly how much overhead these packages add but I would really rather using just the VESA driver and remove the rest...but a question about that...how do I force the usage of just the VESA driver? Thanks in advance, Stephen -Original Message- From: Kevin B. McCarty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 3:09 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Minimal X-Windows Setup Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 12:24:10PM -0400, Stephen Yorke wrote: >> I am looking for a basic X-Windows setup...I have tried several things >> but I am just not getting it. >> >> Does anyone have some sort of package list which will get me a >> BASIC/MINIMAL X setup. Anytime I do anything with X-WINDOW-SERVER-* I >> get tons of dependencies and I do not want them. >> >> Mainly, I want an X setup which will allow me to view an X session log >> in with GDM and have Fluxbox as my window manager. Maybe I am going >> about it all wrong but I know I am going through hell trying to figure >> it out. >> > You need at least x-window-system-core (if that is still the name of the > metapackage). If you choose xdm, that will be better than gdm (which > will pull in quite a few GNOME libs. Actually, x-window-system-core and x-window-system (in Sid & Etch) are identical meta-packages that do nothing but Depend upon the xorg meta-package. The basic problem is that any sane installation of X should probably include the xbase-clients package, which includes rather useful things like startx and xauth scripts. Unfortunately it also includes a whole lot of junk that pulls in a lot of library dependencies. But until this package is split apart, I don't see any way around this problem. See for instance bug # 332521. I guess one could at least skip a few dependencies (like imake) by not installing the xorg metapackage, and installing only the following minimal list of packages and their dependencies: xserver-xorg xfonts-base xfonts-100dpi xbase-clients xkb-data xterm xdm (As Roberto says, xdm will pull in fewer packages than gdm. Choose xfonts-75dpi and/or xfonts-scalable as well as or instead of xfonts-100dpi if you wish. You can try not installing xbase-clients, but I don't know how well things will work.) ... and then uninstalling all the xserver-xorg-* packages except the ones appropriate to his system. Note, I haven't at all tested this suggestion, so caveat emptor. regards, -- Kevin B. McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Physics Department WWW: http://www.princeton.edu/~kmccarty/Princeton University GPG: public key ID 4F83C751 Princeton, NJ 08544 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 12:24:10PM -0400, Stephen Yorke wrote: >> I am looking for a basic X-Windows setup...I have tried several things >> but I am just not getting it. >> >> Does anyone have some sort of package list which will get me a >> BASIC/MINIMAL X setup. Anytime I do anything with X-WINDOW-SERVER-* I >> get tons of dependencies and I do not want them. >> >> Mainly, I want an X setup which will allow me to view an X session log >> in with GDM and have Fluxbox as my window manager. Maybe I am going >> about it all wrong but I know I am going through hell trying to figure >> it out. >> > You need at least x-window-system-core (if that is still the name of the > metapackage). If you choose xdm, that will be better than gdm (which > will pull in quite a few GNOME libs. Actually, x-window-system-core and x-window-system (in Sid & Etch) are identical meta-packages that do nothing but Depend upon the xorg meta-package. The basic problem is that any sane installation of X should probably include the xbase-clients package, which includes rather useful things like startx and xauth scripts. Unfortunately it also includes a whole lot of junk that pulls in a lot of library dependencies. But until this package is split apart, I don't see any way around this problem. See for instance bug # 332521. I guess one could at least skip a few dependencies (like imake) by not installing the xorg metapackage, and installing only the following minimal list of packages and their dependencies: xserver-xorg xfonts-base xfonts-100dpi xbase-clients xkb-data xterm xdm (As Roberto says, xdm will pull in fewer packages than gdm. Choose xfonts-75dpi and/or xfonts-scalable as well as or instead of xfonts-100dpi if you wish. You can try not installing xbase-clients, but I don't know how well things will work.) ... and then uninstalling all the xserver-xorg-* packages except the ones appropriate to his system. Note, I haven't at all tested this suggestion, so caveat emptor. regards, -- Kevin B. McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Physics Department WWW: http://www.princeton.edu/~kmccarty/Princeton University GPG: public key ID 4F83C751 Princeton, NJ 08544 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 12:24:10PM -0400, Stephen Yorke wrote: > All, > > > > I am looking for a basic X-Windows setup...I have tried several things > but I am just not getting it. > > > > Does anyone have some sort of package list which will get me a > BASIC/MINIMAL X setup. Anytime I do anything with X-WINDOW-SERVER-* I > get tons of dependencies and I do not want them. > > > > Mainly, I want an X setup which will allow me to view an X session log > in with GDM and have Fluxbox as my window manager. Maybe I am going > about it all wrong but I know I am going through hell trying to figure > it out. > You need at least x-window-system-core (if that is still the name of the metapackage). If you choose xdm, that will be better than gdm (which will pull in quite a few GNOME libs. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Minimal X-Windows Setup
All, I am looking for a basic X-Windows setup…I have tried several things but I am just not getting it. Does anyone have some sort of package list which will get me a BASIC/MINIMAL X setup. Anytime I do anything with X-WINDOW-SERVER-* I get tons of dependencies and I do not want them. Mainly, I want an X setup which will allow me to view an X session log in with GDM and have Fluxbox as my window manager. Maybe I am going about it all wrong but I know I am going through hell trying to figure it out. Thanks in advance, Stephen
Re: X Windows not installed
On Mon, Jun 26, 2006 at 00:29:01 -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Michael M. wrote: > > Florian Kulzer wrote: > > >Make sure you have the packages "discover1" (for 2.6 kernels) or > > >"discover" (for 2.4 kernels) installed, as well as "xresprobe", > > > > Oh, so *that's* the difference between 'discover' and 'discover1'! I > > No, neither discover1 nor discover 2 are kernel specific. discover 2 is > a rewritten version of discover; both are basically obsolete in Debian > with a 2.6 kernel with the exception of being used for initial X > hardware detection. Thank you for the clarification. When I was confused about the issue I googled through the Debian site and found "switched kernels 2.6 to discover1" (or similar) in some installer changelog. (Sorry, can't find the exact link right now.) That was obviously a red herring. -- Regards, Florian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Michael M. wrote: > Florian Kulzer wrote: > >Make sure you have the packages "discover1" (for 2.6 kernels) or > >"discover" (for 2.4 kernels) installed, as well as "xresprobe", > > Oh, so *that's* the difference between 'discover' and 'discover1'! I No, neither discover1 nor discover 2 are kernel specific. discover 2 is a rewritten version of discover; both are basically obsolete in Debian with a 2.6 kernel with the exception of being used for initial X hardware detection. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: X Windows not installed
Florian Kulzer wrote: Make sure you have the packages "discover1" (for 2.6 kernels) or "discover" (for 2.4 kernels) installed, as well as "xresprobe", "mdetect", "read-edid" and, if applicable, "laptop-detect". Then run (as root) dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and you should get a proper configuration. If the mouse still fails you can run (again as root) mdetect -x to see which settings are correct. Your graphics card should be supported by the "sis" driver and the configuration dialog should allow you to select the appropriate resolution(s). Oh, so *that's* the difference between 'discover' and 'discover1'! I wondered about that, but in my laziness I hadn't investigated yet. I kept wondering if I should remove 'discover1' and install 'discover' (the two packages conflict) because whatever documentation I'd read said you need 'discover' if you want auto-detection. I never saw anything about 'discover1.' But I kinda figured the system knew best what it needed ... at least, I hoped so. It seems to me a simple line in the package descriptions of each would clear up any potential for confusion. Well now I know -- thanks! -- Michael M. ++ Portland, OR ++ USA "No live organism can continue for long to exist sanely under conditions of absolute reality; even larks and katydids are supposed, by some, to dream." --S. Jackson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X Windows not installed
On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 16:58:14 +0800, Dr Bean wrote: > On Sun, 25 Jun 2006, Thibaut Paumard wrote: > > > Le dimanche 25 juin 2006 ? 09:28 +0800, Dr Bean a ?crit : > > > > > Also give some details about your system (video hardware). > > > > Where would I get that. dmesg says just: > > > Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 > > > The sources of information for that would be: > .. > > - lspci; > .. > > lspci says: > > :01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated > Systems [SiS] 86C326 5598/6326 (rev d2) > > I now remember however, the X error message I got when I was > trying to start X. It was not a video error. It was a mouse > error, no pointer device found. > > When I was installing, I was asked some questions about the > mouse, eg was it a serial port or PS/2, and then given a choice > of files. I chose the default, /dev/input/mice. > > The last time I tried installing I didn't see these questions. > Instead, I was asked to move the mouse around so the installer > could determine the type. Make sure you have the packages "discover1" (for 2.6 kernels) or "discover" (for 2.4 kernels) installed, as well as "xresprobe", "mdetect", "read-edid" and, if applicable, "laptop-detect". Then run (as root) dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and you should get a proper configuration. If the mouse still fails you can run (again as root) mdetect -x to see which settings are correct. Your graphics card should be supported by the "sis" driver and the configuration dialog should allow you to select the appropriate resolution(s). -- Regards, Florian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X Windows not installed
On Sun, 25 Jun 2006, Thibaut Paumard wrote: > Le dimanche 25 juin 2006 ? 09:28 +0800, Dr Bean a ?crit : > > > Also give some details about your system (video hardware). > > Where would I get that. dmesg says just: > > Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 > The sources of information for that would be: .. > - lspci; .. lspci says: :01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 86C326 5598/6326 (rev d2) I now remember however, the X error message I got when I was trying to start X. It was not a video error. It was a mouse error, no pointer device found. When I was installing, I was asked some questions about the mouse, eg was it a serial port or PS/2, and then given a choice of files. I chose the default, /dev/input/mice. The last time I tried installing I didn't see these questions. Instead, I was asked to move the mouse around so the installer could determine the type. -- Dr Bean Success is going from failure to failure without a loss of enthusiasm-- Winston Churchill -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X Windows not installed
Le dimanche 25 juin 2006 à 09:28 +0800, Dr Bean a écrit : > On Thu, 22 Jun 2006, Thibaut Paumard wrote: > > > Le jeudi 22 juin 2006 ? 20:03 +0800, Dr Bean a ?crit : > > > I don't think I have X Windows installed. How do I now install > > > it? > > [...] > > > I have now a perfectly good console-based linux system, but exec > > > startx doesn't give me X Windows. > > This is a late answer. Sorry. No problem. > [...] > > Also give some details about your system (video hardware). > > Where would I get that. dmesg says just: > Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 The sources of information for that would be: - the manual for your computer; - the website of the manufacturer if you can determine a brand and model for the beast; - lspci; - open the box and look at the labels on the card; - if you also have Windows (or any other OS) on the same machine, have a look at the other OS's configuration. Regards, T. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 22 Jun 2006, Thibaut Paumard wrote: > Le jeudi 22 juin 2006 ? 20:03 +0800, Dr Bean a ?crit : > > I don't think I have X Windows installed. How do I now install > > it? > [...] > > I have now a perfectly good console-based linux system, but exec > > startx doesn't give me X Windows. This is a late answer. Sorry. I think there was some user error ;-) involved. Now I reinstalled sarge, and I have X. Everything is OK. I think I may have confused sid and sarge. They're easy to confuse. > But you do have startx? Do you get a "command not found" error, or a > hole bunch of lines? I think I got a number of lines. > If it's the latter, then X is there but not > configured properly. Please post the error message you get when issuing > startx. The error was ... I've forgotten. > Also give some details about your system (video hardware). Where would I get that. dmesg says just: Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 > > I used apt-get to install > > gnome, which may explain a few X11 libs I have and some X docs in > > /usr/share. [...] > If you installed gnome, then I'd say it's impossible you didn't install > X as well. Floria Kulzer said that this is not so, because someone might be running X from another machine, and so not want it on the X client, the machine which has gnome. The lesson I learned from this experience was, 1. debian users are very helpful. 2. debian is different than fedora 3. be careful about what you are doing -- Dr BeanNo trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a great many instructions were executed. --from Richard Rognlie's signature -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X Windows not installed
On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 20:03:33 +0800, Dr Bean wrote: > I don't think I have X Windows installed. How do I now install > it? > > Installing sid with installer-i386, I was given a choice about what > kind of setup I wanted, eg a personal workstation, an Internet > server, etc. > > With the cursor on the personal workstation, I hit Enter and > was surprised by the installer immediately starting to do > something. I expected some more questions. That part of the setup is handled by a utility called "tasksel". You can run it again if you want a second chance. (But you don't have to, see below.) The trick is to move the cursor to an item and then press to select it. An asterisk will indicate that an option has been selected. > What it was doing I don't think had anything to do with > installing a personal workstation, which is mainly X Windows, I > think. I didn't get asked whether I wanted gnome or KDE for > example. > > I have now a perfectly good console-based linux system, but exec > startx doesn't give me X Windows. I used apt-get to install > gnome, which may explain a few X11 libs I have and some X docs in > /usr/share. Installing Gnome does not automatically pull the Xorg packages because you could be running the X server on another machine and therefore not want the X packages on the client computer which runs Gnome. > Assuming debian-installer didn't install X Windows, how do I now > do that? Can I do it with apt-get? Or do I have to start from the > start again and boot the system with debian-installer? > > None of the packages in the X Window System software package > list seem to be relevant. Normally it should be enough to run apt-get install xorg (You also need a package which provides "x-window-manager", but I think installing Gnome takes care of that by pulling in "metacity".) If you want a graphical log-in screen you can install the package "gdm". -- Regards, Florian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X Windows not installed
Le jeudi 22 juin 2006 à 20:03 +0800, Dr Bean a écrit : > I don't think I have X Windows installed. How do I now install > it? [...] > I have now a perfectly good console-based linux system, but exec > startx doesn't give me X Windows. But you do have startx? Do you get a "command not found" error, or a hole bunch of lines? If it's the latter, then X is there but not configured properly. Please post the error message you get when issuing startx. Also give some details about your system (video hardware). > I used apt-get to install > gnome, which may explain a few X11 libs I have and some X docs in > /usr/share. [...] If you installed gnome, then I'd say it's impossible you didn't install X as well. Thibaut. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X Windows not installed
I don't think I have X Windows installed. How do I now install it? Installing sid with installer-i386, I was given a choice about what kind of setup I wanted, eg a personal workstation, an Internet server, etc. With the cursor on the personal workstation, I hit Enter and was surprised by the installer immediately starting to do something. I expected some more questions. What it was doing I don't think had anything to do with installing a personal workstation, which is mainly X Windows, I think. I didn't get asked whether I wanted gnome or KDE for example. I have now a perfectly good console-based linux system, but exec startx doesn't give me X Windows. I used apt-get to install gnome, which may explain a few X11 libs I have and some X docs in /usr/share. Assuming debian-installer didn't install X Windows, how do I now do that? Can I do it with apt-get? Or do I have to start from the start again and boot the system with debian-installer? None of the packages in the X Window System software package list seem to be relevant. -- Dr Bean Anyone who doesn't make mistakes isn't trying hard enough. -- Wess Roberts -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-Windows Problems - Solved
On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 01:20:17AM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: > On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 10:20:08 -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: > > On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 12:34:45PM -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: > > [...] > > > That all sounds like there are some configuration problems in your > system. Maybe you still have old configuration files which were not > upgraded properly. You could try to purge gdm and xdm and then reinstall > them: > > apt-get --purge remove xdm gdm > apt-get install xdm gdm > > (The "--purge" option makes sure that all configuration files are > removed, therefore you will get the up-to-date ones from the new > packages when you install xdm and gdm again.) > > -- > Regards, > Florian > Yes, that did the trick and everything seems to be working normally now except the Wacom mouse. I'll start a new thread for that. Thanks, Tom > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-Windows Problems - Wacom
Tangled thread; one of yesterday's postings just showed up. A later posting reported editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf as per linuxwacom.sf.net manual. I now have the following situation: The stylus moves the cursor, the mouse does not. The mouse buttons and scroll wheel work. Tom George -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-Windows Problems - Puzzled
On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 10:20:08 -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: > On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 12:34:45PM -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: [...] > > I now have all the lines in sources.list commented out except those for > > testing. I ran "apt-get install -f" followed by "apt-get update" then > > "apt-get dist-upgrade" and, finally, "apt-get install -f" again with no > > problems. The final "apt-get install -f" exited with "0 upgraded, 0 > > newly installed, 0 removed and 0 not upgraded" > > > > Rebooted. A line with a red + went by with a message something to the > > effect: 'files not mounted with error code 96' but the system started at > > console tty1, no X-window. Logged on as root, went to /usr/sbin and ran > > gdm. X-window gnome logon screen came up and I logged on as tom, > > started Mozilla and read mail. Still cannot use Wacom mouse, lsmod > > shows wacom module loaded, not used. > > > > Regards, > > Tom > > > Every now and then Mozilla locks up - i.e. mouse pointer moves on > screen, clicks still do nothing. To escape I go to ~/.mozilla/default, > get the pid that lock points to and kill it. > > It occurred to me to try to start xdm rather than gdm. This didn't work > and strace /etc/init.d/xdm start indicated the failure was because there > is no xdm in /usr/bin/X11. whereis xdm found it in /usr/bin but I could > not start it from there as I have been starting gdm from /usr/sbin. That all sounds like there are some configuration problems in your system. Maybe you still have old configuration files which were not upgraded properly. You could try to purge gdm and xdm and then reinstall them: apt-get --purge remove xdm gdm apt-get install xdm gdm (The "--purge" option makes sure that all configuration files are removed, therefore you will get the up-to-date ones from the new packages when you install xdm and gdm again.) -- Regards, Florian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-Windows Problems, xorgcfg error
The thread is tangled because some of my previous posting have not shown up as yet. Continuing to try to get the Wacom mouse to work, ran xorgcfg. The program runs but with output to stderror "Failed to initialize module list". strace xorgcfg shows it is looking in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/linux. The directory /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers contains the modules for the video drivers but no subdirectory linux. I also went to linuxwacom webpage section on adding input devices and used this information to manually edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf. The expert mode of xorgcfg shows these additions but still no wacom mouse. Tom George -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-Windows Problems - Puzzled
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 12:34:45PM -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: > On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 03:09:39PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: > > On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 14:04:57 -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: > > > On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 11:30:37AM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: > > > > On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 16:41:09 -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: > > > > > I am stumbling through the move from Sarge to testing. I have > > > > > managed > > > > > to get gdm to start but if I switch to a console I lose the window > > > > > and > > > > > must restart gdm. Equally frustrating, my Wacom tablet mouse is not > > > > > recognized though it worked perfectly in Sarge and the wacom module > > > > > is > > > > > installed. > > > > > > > > > > This may be because I have not yet installed x-window-system-core. > > > > > Apt-get reports that this package and 457 other packages are not > > > > > installed as they cannot be verified. Should I go ahead and install > > > > > them anyway? > > > > [...] > > > > > > Testing is using Xorg instead of Xfree86. Once you have downloaded the > > > > archive keys and completed the upgrade, you can try "dpkg-reconfigure > > > > xserver-xorg". (This should happen automatically during the upgrade > > > > anyway.) > > > > > > > > If you still have problems with Xorg after that, post the output of the > > > > following three commands: > > > > > > > > lspci | grep -i vga > > > > awk '/Section "(Device|Monitor|Screen)"/,/EndSection/' > > > > /etc/X11/xorg.conf > > > > egrep '^\((EE|WW)\)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log > > > > [...] > > > > > Thank you for you assistance, Florian. I am attaching the output of > > > apt-key list and sources.list. > > > > > > > > > /etc/apt/trusted.gpg > > > > > > pub 1024R/1DB114E0 2004-01-15 [expired: 2005-01-27] > > > uid Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2004) <[EMAIL > > > PROTECTED]> > > > > > > pub 1024D/4F368D5D 2005-01-31 [expired: 2006-01-31] > > > uid Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2005) <[EMAIL > > > PROTECTED]> > > > > > > pub 1024D/B5F5BBED 2005-04-24 > > > uid Debian AMD64 Archive Key > > > > > > sub 2048g/34FC6FE5 2005-04-24 > > > > > > pub 1024D/2D230C5F 2006-01-03 [expires: 2007-02-07] > > > uid Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) <[EMAIL > > > PROTECTED]> > > > > [...] > > > > > deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main > > > > > > deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free > > > deb http://security.debian.org testing/updates main contrib non-free > > > > That looks OK to me; the only thing that I notice is that you are > > missing Christian Marillat's signing key. I would propose to ignore this > > for now and to just comment out the ftp.nerim.net line. (I also think > > you have to change "sarge" to "etch" or "testing" now.) When the problem > > with X/gdm is settled you can always get the key as described here > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/05/msg02309.html > > and install what you want from Marillat's packages. > > > > [...] > > > > I think your problem is the result of an incomplete transition from > > XFree86 to Xorg. With the ftp.nerim.net line commented out, try "apt-get > > update" again. If apt is still missing some amd64-specific keys (I don't > > know too much about those) then it should at least give you the numbers > > of those keys. Post these numbers here and we can tell you were to find > > the corresponding keys. > > > > With all keys provided you should be able to do "apt-get install -f" to > > fix all unresolved issues. Once that works without errors and an > > "apt-get dist-upgrade" tells you that there are no more packages to > > upgrade, you should have a working Xorg. If that does not work we have > > to take a closer look, but first apt-get has to bring your system into a > > consistent state by completing the upgrade. > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Florian > > > I now have all the lines in sources.list commented out except those for > testing. I ran "apt-get install -f" followed by "apt-get update" then > "apt-get dist-upgrade" and, finally, "apt-get install -f" again with no > problems. The final "apt-get install -f" exited with "0 upgraded, 0 > newly installed, 0 removed and 0 not upgraded" > > Rebooted. A line with a red + went by with a message something to the > effect: 'files not mounted with error code 96' but the system started at > console tty1, no X-window. Logged on as root, went to /usr/sbin and ran > gdm. X-window gnome logon screen came up and I logged on as tom, > started Mozilla and read mail. Still cannot use Wacom mouse, lsmod > shows wacom module loaded, not used. > > Regards, > Tom > Every now and then Mozilla locks up - i.e. mouse pointer moves on screen, clicks still do nothing. To escape I go to ~/.mozilla/default, get the pid that lock points to and kill it. It occurred to me to tr
Re: X-Windows Problems - Progress
Thomas H. George wrote: On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 02:04:57PM -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 11:30:37AM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 16:41:09 -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: I am stumbling through the move from Sarge to testing. I have managed to get gdm to start but if I switch to a console I lose the window and must restart gdm. Equally frustrating, my Wacom tablet mouse is not recognized though it worked perfectly in Sarge and the wacom module is installed. This may be because I have not yet installed x-window-system-core. Apt-get reports that this package and 457 other packages are not installed as they cannot be verified. Should I go ahead and install them anyway? Which archive signing keys are known to your apt-key? Post the output of "apt-key list" and the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list file, then we can tell you which ones are missing (and how to install them). I would first try to complete the upgrade and install all packages before addressing the X problem. [...] Thank you for you assistance, Florian. I am attaching the output of apt-key list and sources.list. # See sources.list(5) for more information, especialy # Remember that you can only use http, ftp or file URIs # CDROMs are managed through the apt-cdrom tool. # deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian oldstable main contrib non-free # deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free # deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free # deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free # deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/ # deb-src http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt source/ deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org testing/updates main contrib non-free # Uncomment if you want the apt-get source function to work deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free Best regards, Tom Florian's comments led me to recognize the link to ftp.nerim.net might be the problem. I commented out and was able to complete the upgrade though I still had to purge glibc-doc to resolve a conflict. After completing the upgrade I had no X-windows at all. strace /etc/init.d/gdm restart revealed no gdm in /usr/bin. I found it in /usr/sbin and was able to start the program from there. I can now switch back and forth between X-windows (Ctl-Alt-F7) and consoles (Ctl-Alt-F1, etc) with no problems. The Wacom mouse still does not work. I found and installed xserver-xorg-input-wacom but this has not helped. The Debian Changelog in /usr/share/doc/wacom-tools seems to indicate unresolved problems. I will wait for new updates. I just did the dist-upgrade from Sarge to Sid and ran into Xorg also of course. Resolved all of that, probably because I don't have a left handed mouse but a two-seater that runs fine. Remains the incompatibility between Sarge's mysql and Sid's: this message comes up every boot: Fri May 26 05:16:49 2006: This script updates all the mysql privilege tables to be usable by Fri May 26 05:16:49 2006: MySQL 4.0 and above. Fri May 26 05:16:49 2006: Fri May 26 05:16:49 2006: This is needed if you want to use the new GRANT functions, Fri May 26 05:16:49 2006: CREATE AGGREGATE FUNCTION, stored procedures, or Fri May 26 05:16:49 2006: more secure passwords in 4.1 Fri May 26 05:16:49 2006: Fri May 26 05:16:49 2006: @(#)Network Audio System Release 1.7 Fri May 26 05:16:49 2006: Got a failure from command: Fri May 26 05:16:49 2006: cat /usr/share/mysql/mysql_fix_privilege_tables.sql | /usr/bin/mysql --verbose --no-def$ Fri May 26 05:16:49 2006: Please check the above output and try again. Fri May 26 05:16:49 2006: Fri May 26 05:16:49 2006: Running the script with the --verbose option may give you some information Fri May 26 05:16:49 2006: of what went wrong. Fri May 26 05:16:49 2006: Fri May 26 05:16:49 2006: If you get an 'Access denied' error, you should run this script again and Fri May 26 05:16:49 2006: give the MySQL root user password as an argument with the --password= option H -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-Windows Problems
On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 03:09:39PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: > On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 14:04:57 -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: > > On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 11:30:37AM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: > > > On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 16:41:09 -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: > > > > I am stumbling through the move from Sarge to testing. I have managed > > > > to get gdm to start but if I switch to a console I lose the window and > > > > must restart gdm. Equally frustrating, my Wacom tablet mouse is not > > > > recognized though it worked perfectly in Sarge and the wacom module is > > > > installed. > > > > > > > > This may be because I have not yet installed x-window-system-core. > > > > Apt-get reports that this package and 457 other packages are not > > > > installed as they cannot be verified. Should I go ahead and install > > > > them anyway? > > [...] > > > > Testing is using Xorg instead of Xfree86. Once you have downloaded the > > > archive keys and completed the upgrade, you can try "dpkg-reconfigure > > > xserver-xorg". (This should happen automatically during the upgrade > > > anyway.) > > > > > > If you still have problems with Xorg after that, post the output of the > > > following three commands: > > > > > > lspci | grep -i vga > > > awk '/Section "(Device|Monitor|Screen)"/,/EndSection/' /etc/X11/xorg.conf > > > egrep '^\((EE|WW)\)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log > > [...] > > > Thank you for you assistance, Florian. I am attaching the output of > > apt-key list and sources.list. > > > > > > /etc/apt/trusted.gpg > > > > pub 1024R/1DB114E0 2004-01-15 [expired: 2005-01-27] > > uid Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2004) <[EMAIL > > PROTECTED]> > > > > pub 1024D/4F368D5D 2005-01-31 [expired: 2006-01-31] > > uid Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2005) <[EMAIL > > PROTECTED]> > > > > pub 1024D/B5F5BBED 2005-04-24 > > uid Debian AMD64 Archive Key > > > > sub 2048g/34FC6FE5 2005-04-24 > > > > pub 1024D/2D230C5F 2006-01-03 [expires: 2007-02-07] > > uid Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) <[EMAIL > > PROTECTED]> > > [...] > > > deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main > > > > deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free > > deb http://security.debian.org testing/updates main contrib non-free > > That looks OK to me; the only thing that I notice is that you are > missing Christian Marillat's signing key. I would propose to ignore this > for now and to just comment out the ftp.nerim.net line. (I also think > you have to change "sarge" to "etch" or "testing" now.) When the problem > with X/gdm is settled you can always get the key as described here > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/05/msg02309.html > and install what you want from Marillat's packages. > > [...] > > I think your problem is the result of an incomplete transition from > XFree86 to Xorg. With the ftp.nerim.net line commented out, try "apt-get > update" again. If apt is still missing some amd64-specific keys (I don't > know too much about those) then it should at least give you the numbers > of those keys. Post these numbers here and we can tell you were to find > the corresponding keys. > > With all keys provided you should be able to do "apt-get install -f" to > fix all unresolved issues. Once that works without errors and an > "apt-get dist-upgrade" tells you that there are no more packages to > upgrade, you should have a working Xorg. If that does not work we have > to take a closer look, but first apt-get has to bring your system into a > consistent state by completing the upgrade. > > -- > Regards, > Florian > I now have all the lines in sources.list commented out except those for testing. I ran "apt-get install -f" followed by "apt-get update" then "apt-get dist-upgrade" and, finally, "apt-get install -f" again with no problems. The final "apt-get install -f" exited with "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 removed and 0 not upgraded" Rebooted. A line with a red + went by with a message something to the effect: 'files not mounted with error code 96' but the system started at console tty1, no X-window. Logged on as root, went to /usr/sbin and ran gdm. X-window gnome logon screen came up and I logged on as tom, started Mozilla and read mail. Still cannot use Wacom mouse, lsmod shows wacom module loaded, not used. Regards, Tom > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-Windows Problems - Progress
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 02:04:57PM -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: > On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 11:30:37AM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: > > On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 16:41:09 -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: > > > I am stumbling through the move from Sarge to testing. I have managed > > > to get gdm to start but if I switch to a console I lose the window and > > > must restart gdm. Equally frustrating, my Wacom tablet mouse is not > > > recognized though it worked perfectly in Sarge and the wacom module is > > > installed. > > > > > > This may be because I have not yet installed x-window-system-core. > > > Apt-get reports that this package and 457 other packages are not > > > installed as they cannot be verified. Should I go ahead and install > > > them anyway? > > > > Which archive signing keys are known to your apt-key? Post the output of > > "apt-key list" and the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list file, then > > we can tell you which ones are missing (and how to install them). I > > would first try to complete the upgrade and install all packages before > > addressing the X problem. > > > > [...] > > > Thank you for you assistance, Florian. I am attaching the output of > apt-key list and sources.list. > > # See sources.list(5) for more information, especialy > # Remember that you can only use http, ftp or file URIs > # CDROMs are managed through the apt-cdrom tool. > > # deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian oldstable main contrib non-free > # deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free > # deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free > # deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free > > # deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/ > # deb-src http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt source/ > deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main > > deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free > deb http://security.debian.org testing/updates main contrib non-free > > > # Uncomment if you want the apt-get source function to work > > deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free > > deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free > > Best regards, > > Tom Florian's comments led me to recognize the link to ftp.nerim.net might be the problem. I commented out and was able to complete the upgrade though I still had to purge glibc-doc to resolve a conflict. After completing the upgrade I had no X-windows at all. strace /etc/init.d/gdm restart revealed no gdm in /usr/bin. I found it in /usr/sbin and was able to start the program from there. I can now switch back and forth between X-windows (Ctl-Alt-F7) and consoles (Ctl-Alt-F1, etc) with no problems. The Wacom mouse still does not work. I found and installed xserver-xorg-input-wacom but this has not helped. The Debian Changelog in /usr/share/doc/wacom-tools seems to indicate unresolved problems. I will wait for new updates. Tom George > > > > -- > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-Windows Problems
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 14:04:57 -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: > On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 11:30:37AM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: > > On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 16:41:09 -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: > > > I am stumbling through the move from Sarge to testing. I have managed > > > to get gdm to start but if I switch to a console I lose the window and > > > must restart gdm. Equally frustrating, my Wacom tablet mouse is not > > > recognized though it worked perfectly in Sarge and the wacom module is > > > installed. > > > > > > This may be because I have not yet installed x-window-system-core. > > > Apt-get reports that this package and 457 other packages are not > > > installed as they cannot be verified. Should I go ahead and install > > > them anyway? [...] > > Testing is using Xorg instead of Xfree86. Once you have downloaded the > > archive keys and completed the upgrade, you can try "dpkg-reconfigure > > xserver-xorg". (This should happen automatically during the upgrade > > anyway.) > > > > If you still have problems with Xorg after that, post the output of the > > following three commands: > > > > lspci | grep -i vga > > awk '/Section "(Device|Monitor|Screen)"/,/EndSection/' /etc/X11/xorg.conf > > egrep '^\((EE|WW)\)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log [...] > Thank you for you assistance, Florian. I am attaching the output of > apt-key list and sources.list. > > > /etc/apt/trusted.gpg > > pub 1024R/1DB114E0 2004-01-15 [expired: 2005-01-27] > uid Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2004) <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> > > pub 1024D/4F368D5D 2005-01-31 [expired: 2006-01-31] > uid Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2005) <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> > > pub 1024D/B5F5BBED 2005-04-24 > uid Debian AMD64 Archive Key > sub 2048g/34FC6FE5 2005-04-24 > > pub 1024D/2D230C5F 2006-01-03 [expires: 2007-02-07] > uid Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> [...] > deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main > > deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free > deb http://security.debian.org testing/updates main contrib non-free That looks OK to me; the only thing that I notice is that you are missing Christian Marillat's signing key. I would propose to ignore this for now and to just comment out the ftp.nerim.net line. (I also think you have to change "sarge" to "etch" or "testing" now.) When the problem with X/gdm is settled you can always get the key as described here http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/05/msg02309.html and install what you want from Marillat's packages. [...] I think your problem is the result of an incomplete transition from XFree86 to Xorg. With the ftp.nerim.net line commented out, try "apt-get update" again. If apt is still missing some amd64-specific keys (I don't know too much about those) then it should at least give you the numbers of those keys. Post these numbers here and we can tell you were to find the corresponding keys. With all keys provided you should be able to do "apt-get install -f" to fix all unresolved issues. Once that works without errors and an "apt-get dist-upgrade" tells you that there are no more packages to upgrade, you should have a working Xorg. If that does not work we have to take a closer look, but first apt-get has to bring your system into a consistent state by completing the upgrade. -- Regards, Florian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-Windows Problems
Thomas H. George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 03:30:43AM +, s. keeling wrote: > > Thomas H. George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > I am stumbling through the move from Sarge to testing. I have managed > > > > There are reasons why Sarge is called stable. Stay with > > Sarge/stable. Testing is meant for those who *know* Debian well > > enough to not stumble, not for those who want newer software. > > I feel a little put down but not deterred and a little puzzled. Should Not a put down. :-) > only developers use testing? Is there not some advantage in having a I didn't mention developers. I said "those who *know* Debian well enough to not stumble". The point of all this is to get a working system. The point of Debian is to produce stable; always has been, hopefully always will be. > larger group trying to use the packages as long as it is understood that > they may fail? There is, sure, but if you're stumbling with testing, how much help can you be? I think it's better for you and Debian that you have a working system from which you can continue to learn. I've been running Linux since '93, Debian since the late '90's, yet I'm still stumbling in ways. Since re-installing my system over the weekend, I can't get my printer to work. It was fine a week ago. I can't figure out how to get a left-handed mouse. No amount of fiddling with xmodmap, ~/.inputrc, or gpm repeating has had any effect. I learned how to do all that stuff a long time ago, yet here I am running a _stable_ system which is exhibiting warts. It's bloody annoying. Less experienced users might be tempted to give up on Debian if stuff like that was happening to them, and that's the last thing Debian needs. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling Linux Counter #80292 - -Spammers! http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling/emails.html http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 03:30:43AM +, s. keeling wrote: > Thomas H. George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I am stumbling through the move from Sarge to testing. I have managed > > There are reasons why Sarge is called stable. Stay with > Sarge/stable. Testing is meant for those who *know* Debian well > enough to not stumble, not for those who want newer software. > > I feel a little put down but not deterred and a little puzzled. Should only developers use testing? Is there not some advantage in having a larger group trying to use the packages as long as it is understood that they may fail? Tom George > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-Windows Problems
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 11:30:37AM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: > On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 16:41:09 -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: > > I am stumbling through the move from Sarge to testing. I have managed > > to get gdm to start but if I switch to a console I lose the window and > > must restart gdm. Equally frustrating, my Wacom tablet mouse is not > > recognized though it worked perfectly in Sarge and the wacom module is > > installed. > > > > This may be because I have not yet installed x-window-system-core. > > Apt-get reports that this package and 457 other packages are not > > installed as they cannot be verified. Should I go ahead and install > > them anyway? > > Which archive signing keys are known to your apt-key? Post the output of > "apt-key list" and the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list file, then > we can tell you which ones are missing (and how to install them). I > would first try to complete the upgrade and install all packages before > addressing the X problem. > > [...] > > > Next I ran apt-get dist-upgrade. After this the ethernet connection > > failed, gdm tried to start repeatedly and failed and there was a message > > that udev required kernel 2.6.12 or higher. I had 2.6.11. > > > > Next I booted from a bbc-2.1 cd and used lynx to find and download the > > linux-2.6.15 kernel source from the Debian website. I compiled this > > kernel using the .config from the 2.6.11 kernel directory, updated > > lilo.conf, and booted from the new kernel. The ethernet connection was > > restored but gdm still would not start. I tried dpkg-reconfigure > > xserver-xfree86 without success. > > > > Next I recalled that previously I had solved this problem by running > > xf86config from /usr/X11R6/bin. The upgrade had deleted this program > > but I recovered it from another computer and ran it. This created an > > XF86Config file in /etc/X11 and then gdm could start. > > Testing is using Xorg instead of Xfree86. Once you have downloaded the > archive keys and completed the upgrade, you can try "dpkg-reconfigure > xserver-xorg". (This should happen automatically during the upgrade > anyway.) > > If you still have problems with Xorg after that, post the output of the > following three commands: > > lspci | grep -i vga > awk '/Section "(Device|Monitor|Screen)"/,/EndSection/' /etc/X11/xorg.conf > egrep '^\((EE|WW)\)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log > > -- > Regards, > Florian > Thank you for you assistance, Florian. I am attaching the output of apt-key list and sources.list. /etc/apt/trusted.gpg pub 1024R/1DB114E0 2004-01-15 [expired: 2005-01-27] uid Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2004) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> pub 1024D/4F368D5D 2005-01-31 [expired: 2006-01-31] uid Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2005) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> pub 1024D/B5F5BBED 2005-04-24 uid Debian AMD64 Archive Key sub 2048g/34FC6FE5 2005-04-24 pub 1024D/2D230C5F 2006-01-03 [expires: 2007-02-07] uid Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> # See sources.list(5) for more information, especialy # Remember that you can only use http, ftp or file URIs # CDROMs are managed through the apt-cdrom tool. # deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian oldstable main contrib non-free # deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free # deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free # deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free # deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/ # deb-src http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt source/ deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org testing/updates main contrib non-free # Uncomment if you want the apt-get source function to work deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free Best regards, Tom > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-Windows Problems
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 16:41:09 -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: > I am stumbling through the move from Sarge to testing. I have managed > to get gdm to start but if I switch to a console I lose the window and > must restart gdm. Equally frustrating, my Wacom tablet mouse is not > recognized though it worked perfectly in Sarge and the wacom module is > installed. > > This may be because I have not yet installed x-window-system-core. > Apt-get reports that this package and 457 other packages are not > installed as they cannot be verified. Should I go ahead and install > them anyway? Which archive signing keys are known to your apt-key? Post the output of "apt-key list" and the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list file, then we can tell you which ones are missing (and how to install them). I would first try to complete the upgrade and install all packages before addressing the X problem. [...] > Next I ran apt-get dist-upgrade. After this the ethernet connection > failed, gdm tried to start repeatedly and failed and there was a message > that udev required kernel 2.6.12 or higher. I had 2.6.11. > > Next I booted from a bbc-2.1 cd and used lynx to find and download the > linux-2.6.15 kernel source from the Debian website. I compiled this > kernel using the .config from the 2.6.11 kernel directory, updated > lilo.conf, and booted from the new kernel. The ethernet connection was > restored but gdm still would not start. I tried dpkg-reconfigure > xserver-xfree86 without success. > > Next I recalled that previously I had solved this problem by running > xf86config from /usr/X11R6/bin. The upgrade had deleted this program > but I recovered it from another computer and ran it. This created an > XF86Config file in /etc/X11 and then gdm could start. Testing is using Xorg instead of Xfree86. Once you have downloaded the archive keys and completed the upgrade, you can try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg". (This should happen automatically during the upgrade anyway.) If you still have problems with Xorg after that, post the output of the following three commands: lspci | grep -i vga awk '/Section "(Device|Monitor|Screen)"/,/EndSection/' /etc/X11/xorg.conf egrep '^\((EE|WW)\)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log -- Regards, Florian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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s. keeling wrote: > Thomas H. George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> I am stumbling through the move from Sarge to testing. I have managed > > > There are reasons why Sarge is called stable. Stay with > Sarge/stable. Testing is meant for those who *know* Debian well > enough to not stumble, not for those who want newer software. > I can see your point. However, at some point in the near future, Etch will become stable and then those who don't know Debian well enough to not stumble will be expected to upgrade their machines. Someone has to go there first. -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: X-Windows Problems
Thomas H. George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I am stumbling through the move from Sarge to testing. I have managed There are reasons why Sarge is called stable. Stay with Sarge/stable. Testing is meant for those who *know* Debian well enough to not stumble, not for those who want newer software. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling Linux Counter #80292 - -Spammers! http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling/emails.html http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Windows Problems
I am stumbling through the move from Sarge to testing. I have managed to get gdm to start but if I switch to a console I lose the window and must restart gdm. Equally frustrating, my Wacom tablet mouse is not recognized though it worked perfectly in Sarge and the wacom module is installed. This may be because I have not yet installed x-window-system-core. Apt-get reports that this package and 457 other packages are not installed as they cannot be verified. Should I go ahead and install them anyway? I know there have been many past messages on the list regarding the move from Sarge to testing and I will try to go back to the archives to see if this problem has already been solved repeatedly. In the meantime if anyone has any quick words of advice they would be very welcome. For the record, I started off by backing up all of my home directory and all of /etc. Next I ran apt-get dist-upgrade. After this the ethernet connection failed, gdm tried to start repeatedly and failed and there was a message that udev required kernel 2.6.12 or higher. I had 2.6.11. Next I booted from a bbc-2.1 cd and used lynx to find and download the linux-2.6.15 kernel source from the Debian website. I compiled this kernel using the .config from the 2.6.11 kernel directory, updated lilo.conf, and booted from the new kernel. The ethernet connection was restored but gdm still would not start. I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 without success. Next I recalled that previously I had solved this problem by running xf86config from /usr/X11R6/bin. The upgrade had deleted this program but I recovered it from another computer and ran it. This created an XF86Config file in /etc/X11 and then gdm could start. It took me all day to get this far so I am posting this message and will resume the struggle tomorrow. Tom George -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem setting the screen resolution with Gnome and X-Windows
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 14:19:00 -0700, Philip Stephens wrote:
> Hi,
> I don't know who is going to see this. The Debian list isn't that
> user-friendly (brace for incoming mortar). For instance, how do I know
> if this user problem was responded to?
The web archive at lists.debian.org has links to follow-up posts. You
can also google for the subject line, with the additional qualifier
"site:debian.org" appended to your query.
> Anyway, I'm having the same issue with screen resolution as Scott Huey
> describes in message ID:
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/11/msg00573.html
>
> Did you (Scott) ever get this resolved? Thanks for any help.
>
> By the way, I've done the steps described in that message as well, to no
> avail. I know my monitor is capable of greater resolution because when I
> plug my Mac into it, I get many resolution options.
That still does not tell you which resolutions are supported by the
graphics card in your PC. We need to know exactly which graphics card
you have (the "lspci" command will tell you that), which version of
Debian you are using ("cat /etc/issue"), and how you have set up your X
Window system. The following command will extract the relevant parts of
your X configuration file:
cat /etc/X11/{XF86Config-4,xorg.conf} | awk '/Section
"(Device|Monitor|Screen)"/,/EndSection/'
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Hi, I don't know who is going to see this. The Debian list isn't that user-friendly (brace for incoming mortar). For instance, how do I know if this user problem was responded to? Anyway, I'm having the same issue with screen resolution as Scott Huey describes in message ID: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/11/msg00573.html Did you (Scott) ever get this resolved? Thanks for any help. By the way, I've done the steps described in that message as well, to no avail. I know my monitor is capable of greater resolution because when I plug my Mac into it, I get many resolution options. Phil Stephens -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: messed up my X-windows in Etch
Just as a follow-up, in case anyone else had the same problem: I installed gdm with aptitude, and that appears to work just fine. I still have no idea what's wrong with xdm, but for the moment it's not an issue. Cheers, Tyler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well, it is not really that big a problem. However, I *would* like to know why it doesn't work. The only feature I'm missing without xdm is a convenient button to click to shutdown my computer, as an alternative to "shutdown -h now". I know xdm doesn't have one built-in, but it wasn't too hard to add one. This is actually very handy, in case my wife needs reboot into Windows when I've left the machine on. Cheers, Tyler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: messed up my X-windows in Etch
Tyler Smith wrote: > No, that's what I did the first time. I tried /etc/init.d/xdm restart > both from within X, and when that failed to produce any messages, > after closing X. It didn't produce any error messages or anything else. > ** (rox:5499): WARNING **: mkdir(/home/tyler.choice): Permission denied This is the first thing I'd look at. Why is the system wanting to create a "tyler.choice" directory in /home? I haven't been keeping up with this thread. Have you tried "startx" instead of xdm? Have you tried a different window manager/environment? Have you tried a different user? Have you tried as root (normally not recommended, and here only as a last resort test)? -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: messed up my X-windows in Etch
No, that's what I did the first time. I tried /etc/init.d/xdm restart
both from within X, and when that failed to produce any messages, after
closing X. It didn't produce any error messages or anything else.
.xsession-errors is 14000+ lines long. The entries from today and
yesterday are pasted below.
I've also pasted the apt-cache results. Thanks again for your help!
Tyler
Xsession: X session started for tyler at Sun Apr 30 18:07:02 EDT 2006
Warning: Failed to open file(/usr/share/fluxbox/nls/en_CA/fluxbox.cat)
for translation, using default messages.
BScreen::BScreen: managing screen 0 using visual 0x23, depth 16
selected locale: en-US
DOUBLE-CLICK: 250 --> -1 THRESHOLD: 8 --> -1 selected locale: en-US
DOUBLE-CLICK: 250 --> -1 THRESHOLD: 8 --> -1 selected locale: en-US
DOUBLE-CLICK: 250 --> -1 THRESHOLD: 8 --> -1
(Gecko:5063): gnome-vfs-modules-WARNING **: Could not initialize inotify
(gpdf:5420): gnome-vfs-modules-WARNING **: Could not initialize inotify
(gpdf:5420): Bonobo-WARNING **: FIXME: verb 'FileOpenMenu' not found,
emit exception
** (rox:5499): WARNING **: mkdir(/home/tyler.choice): Permission denied
** (rox:5499): WARNING **: mkdir(/home/tyler.choice): Permission denied
** (rox:5499): WARNING **: mkdir(/home/tyler.choice): Permission denied
** (rox:5499): WARNING **: mkdir(/home/tyler.choice): Permission denied
** (rox:5499): WARNING **: mkdir(/home/tyler.choice): Permission denied
** (rox:5499): WARNING **: mkdir(/home/tyler.choice): Permission denied
xiTK received SIGSEGV signal, RIP.
bad extension
bad extension
bad extension
Corrupt JPEG data: 15 extraneous bytes before marker 0xdb
selected locale: en-US
DOUBLE-CLICK: 250 --> -1 THRESHOLD: 8 --> -1 Xsession: X session started
for tyler at Mon May 1 09:08:37 EDT 2006
Warning: Failed to open file(/usr/share/fluxbox/nls/en_CA/fluxbox.cat)
for translation, using default messages.
BScreen::BScreen: managing screen 0 using visual 0x23, depth 16
selected locale: en-US
DOUBLE-CLICK: 250 --> -1 THRESHOLD: 8 --> -1
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache --installed depends xdm | awk '/Depends/{print
$2}' | dpkg -l xdm $(cat)
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err:
uppercase=bad)
||/ Name Version Description
+++-=-=-===
ii cpp 4.0.2-2 The GNU C preprocessor (cpp)
ii debconf 1.4.72Debian configuration management
system
ii libc6 2.3.6-7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
ii libice6 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6Inter-Client Exchange library
ii libpam0g 0.79-3.1 Pluggable Authentication Modules
library
ii libselinux1 1.30-1SELinux shared libraries
ii libsm66.9.0.dfsg.1-6X Window System Session
Management library
ii libx11-6 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6X Window System protocol client
library
ii libxau6 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6X Authentication library
ii libxaw7 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6X Athena widget set library
ii libxdmcp6 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6X Display Manager Control
Protocol library
ii libxext6 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6X Window System miscellaneous
extension library
ii libxinerama1 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6X Window System multi-head
display library
ii libxmu6 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6X Window System miscellaneous
utility library
ii libxpm4 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6X pixmap library
ii libxt66.9.0.dfsg.1-6X Toolkit Intrinsics
ii x11-common6.9.0.dfsg.1-6X Window System (X.Org)
infrastructure
ii xbase-clients 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6miscellaneous X clients
ii xdm 1.0.1-6 X display manager
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Re: messed up my X-windows in Etch
On Sun, Apr 30, 2006 at 18:34:20 -0400, Tyler Smith wrote:
> Ok, I've fixed the resolution problem. Somewhere in my
> upgrading/configuring I lost the 1280x1024 setting from my xorg.conf
> file, which was easily fixed. Now I just need to know how to get my
> graphical login back.
There was obviously a small misunderstanding with my last mail. You
should shut down X and then try
/etc/init.d/xdm restart
from the console. Hopefully you will get an error message which tells us
what is going wrong. You should also have a look at .xsession-errors in
your user's home directory after you run this command.
Another thing to check is the status of xdm and all the packages it
depends on. You can do this with
apt-cache --installed depends xdm | awk '/Depends/{print $2}' | dpkg -l xdm
$(cat)
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On 30 Apr 2006, Tyler Smith wrote: > Ok, I've fixed the resolution problem. Somewhere in my > upgrading/configuring I lost the 1280x1024 setting from my xorg.conf > file, which was easily fixed. Now I just need to know how to get my > graphical login back. > > Cheers, > > Tyler > I've always found that xdm is something I'm better without. If it fails to start for any reason it may be impossible to log in at all, especially if the crtl-alt-F* command doesn't work so that you can't get to a console. I always disable xdm and use startx. Anthony -- Anthony Campbell - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Microsoft-free zone - Using Linux Gnu-Debian http://www.acampbell.org.uk (blog, book reviews, on-line books and sceptical articles) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ok, I've fixed the resolution problem. Somewhere in my upgrading/configuring I lost the 1280x1024 setting from my xorg.conf file, which was easily fixed. Now I just need to know how to get my graphical login back. Cheers, Tyler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: messed up my X-windows in Etch
Thanks for your help. In response to your questions: I'm using xdm /etc/init.d/xdm restart didn't do anything - I entered it into a terminal after starting x, and another prompt appeared. No error messages or anything else. I tried again after closing X, both as me and as root, same result. My xorg.conf file is pasted below. egrep - results pasted below lspci - command not found xpdyinfo - results pasted below [all of these run from a window after starting X] Cheers, Tyler # (Xorg X Window System server configuration file) # # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using # values from the debconf database. # # Edit this file with caution, and see the manual page. # (Type "man " at the shell prompt.) # # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only* # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg # package. # # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated # again, run the following commands as root: # # cp .custom # md5sum >/var/lib/xfree86/.md5sum # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg Section "Files" FontPath"unix/:7100" # local font server # if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi" EndSection Section "Module" Load"bitmap" Load"dbe" Load"ddc" Load"dri" Load"extmod" Load"freetype" Load"glx" Load"int10" Load"record" Load"type1" Load"v4l" Load"vbe" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Generic Keyboard" Driver "keyboard" Option "CoreKeyboard" Option "XkbRules""xorg" Option "XkbModel""pc104" Option "XkbLayout" "us" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Configured Mouse" Driver "mouse" Option "CorePointer" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option "Protocol""ImPS/2" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true" Option "ZAxisMapping""4 5" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "NVIDIA Corporation NV6 [Vanta/Vanta LT]" Driver "nv" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Xdebconfigurator Monitor" Option "DPMS" HorizSync 24-82 VertRefresh 55-77 EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" Device "NVIDIA Corporation NV6 [Vanta/Vanta LT]" Monitor "Xdebconfigurator Monitor" DefaultDepth16 SubSection "Display" Depth 1 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x400" "640x480" "320x240" "320x200" "320x400" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 4 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x400" "640x480" "320x240" "320x200" "320x400" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x400" "640x480" "320x240" "320x200" "320x400" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 15 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x400" "640x480" "320x240" "320x200" "320x400" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x400" "640x480" "320x240" "320x200" "320x400" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x400" "640x480" "320x240" "320x200" "320x400" EndSubSection EndSection Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "Default Layout" Screen "Default Screen" InputDevice "Generic Keyboard" InputDevice "Configured Mouse" EndSection Section "DRI" Mode0666 EndSection (WW) The directory "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" does not exist. (WW) The directory "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID" does not exist. (WW) Open ACPI failed (/proc/acpi/event) (No such file or directory) (WW) (1280x960,Xdebconfigurator Monitor) mode clock 148.5MHz exceeds DDC maximum 140MHz (WW) (1280x1024,Xdebconfigurator Monitor) mode clock 157.5MHz exceeds DDC maximum 140MHz (WW) (1600x120
Re: messed up my X-windows in Etch
On Sun, Apr 30, 2006 at 14:30:53 -0400, Tyler Smith wrote: > Hi, > > Following a recent upgrade of my Etch box I have mucked up my X. I no > longer get the graphical log-on, but after logging in startx does bring > get me into my fluxbox desktop. In the past xdebconfigurator followed by > dexconf solved all my problems, so I tried that. Unfortunately, > xdebconfigurator crashed X-windows (ie the monitor went black, > displaying only the message that no signal was being received). So then > I dried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. I bumbled my way through that, > after which I couldn't get into X at all. > > I retried the xdebconfigurator/deconf, and this time it worked, but the > screen looks a little wonky (resolution seems off somehow, and maximized > windows spill over the edge of the screen). > > So I know I've broken something, but I don't know what. I'd be happy to > reinstall X if that will solve the problem, but how to do so? I tried > with aptitude but succeeded only in reinstalling the metapackage itself, > without all of its dependencies. > > If anyone can point me in the right direction that would be fantastic! First of all, as far as your graphical log-on is concerned, which one were you using when everything still worked? If you cannot recall setting up anything specific, then it probably was xdm. Try /etc/init.d/xdm restart and post the error messages and/or describe what happens. (Replace "xdm" with "gdm" or "kdm" if applicable.) Regarding your general problem with X: Your description of the various things you did and of the symptoms does not really make it easy to tell what is going on. Please post your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and, after you run startx, the output of the following commands: egrep '^\((EE|WW)\)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log lspci | grep -i vga xdpyinfo (xdpyinfo has to be run from a terminal within X.) -- Regards, Florian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: messed up my X-windows in Etch
On Sunday 30 April 2006 14:30, Tyler Smith wrote: > Hi, > > Following a recent upgrade of my Etch box I have mucked up my X. I no > longer get the graphical log-on, but after logging in startx does bring > get me into my fluxbox desktop. Sorry that I can't help but I got exactly the same problem. Kind regards, Eike -- Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE Casilla de Correo 1519 Asuncion / Paraguay Tel.: 595-21-578698 FAX: 595-21-578690 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
messed up my X-windows in Etch
Hi, Following a recent upgrade of my Etch box I have mucked up my X. I no longer get the graphical log-on, but after logging in startx does bring get me into my fluxbox desktop. In the past xdebconfigurator followed by dexconf solved all my problems, so I tried that. Unfortunately, xdebconfigurator crashed X-windows (ie the monitor went black, displaying only the message that no signal was being received). So then I dried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. I bumbled my way through that, after which I couldn't get into X at all. I retried the xdebconfigurator/deconf, and this time it worked, but the screen looks a little wonky (resolution seems off somehow, and maximized windows spill over the edge of the screen). So I know I've broken something, but I don't know what. I'd be happy to reinstall X if that will solve the problem, but how to do so? I tried with aptitude but succeeded only in reinstalling the metapackage itself, without all of its dependencies. If anyone can point me in the right direction that would be fantastic! Thanks, Tyler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X Windows Fonts with Symbols? - Thanks
On Tue, Mar 28, 2006 at 09:12:42PM -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: > On Tue, Mar 28, 2006 at 08:50:10PM -0500, Thomas H. George wrote: > > I would like to write some text which includes the symbols for Spades, > > Hearts, Diamonds and Clubs. I know that some years ago I had a word > > processor with fonts which included these symbols but now I can't find > > any. I used xfontsel to examine the symbol and dingbats fonts with no > > success. Thinking I was missing something I wrote a couple of lines of > > C++ to display the ascii characters from 40 to 255 but it didn't show > > anything beyond character 127 - presumably because I haven't yet figured > > out how to change fonts in the program. > > > > I'll struggle with this some more tomorrow but if I am missing something > > obvious I would appreciate being pointed in the right direction. > > Specifically, I have started learning Perl-Tk from the widget program > > and the man page and I would like to write text on the canvas widget > > which includes the playing card symbols. > > > > Tom George > Hi Tom, > I am aware of 2 choices: 'symbols' font or using UTF-8 unicode symbols. > cheers, > Kev > -- Thanks, Kev. I rewrote my character display program in Perl where I was able to select different fonts. In the font Symbol I found characters 199 -202 were Clubs, Diamonds, Hearts and Spades. Amazingly -to me at least - xfontsel shows none of these characters although it does display some of the subsequent special characters. Tom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X Windows Fonts with Symbols?
On Tue, Mar 28, 2006 at 08:50:10PM -0500, Thomas H. George wrote: > I would like to write some text which includes the symbols for Spades, > Hearts, Diamonds and Clubs. I know that some years ago I had a word > processor with fonts which included these symbols but now I can't find > any. I used xfontsel to examine the symbol and dingbats fonts with no > success. Thinking I was missing something I wrote a couple of lines of > C++ to display the ascii characters from 40 to 255 but it didn't show > anything beyond character 127 - presumably because I haven't yet figured > out how to change fonts in the program. > > I'll struggle with this some more tomorrow but if I am missing something > obvious I would appreciate being pointed in the right direction. > Specifically, I have started learning Perl-Tk from the widget program > and the man page and I would like to write text on the canvas widget > which includes the playing card symbols. > > Tom George Hi Tom, I am aware of 2 choices: 'symbols' font or using UTF-8 unicode symbols. cheers, Kev -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal | debian.home.pipeline.com | | `. `' Operating System| go to counter.li.org and | | `-http://www.debian.org/ |be counted! #238656 | | my keysever: pgp.mit.edu | my NPO: cfsg.org | signature.asc Description: Digital signature
X Windows Fonts with Symbols?
I would like to write some text which includes the symbols for Spades, Hearts, Diamonds and Clubs. I know that some years ago I had a word processor with fonts which included these symbols but now I can't find any. I used xfontsel to examine the symbol and dingbats fonts with no success. Thinking I was missing something I wrote a couple of lines of C++ to display the ascii characters from 40 to 255 but it didn't show anything beyond character 127 - presumably because I haven't yet figured out how to change fonts in the program. I'll struggle with this some more tomorrow but if I am missing something obvious I would appreciate being pointed in the right direction. Specifically, I have started learning Perl-Tk from the widget program and the man page and I would like to write text on the canvas widget which includes the playing card symbols. Tom George -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Does NVIDIA 128 MB RAM (Pine) AGP Card support 1280x1024 and play mpeg videos in X windows?
> You really need to tell us a little more about your system, I assume you have > a SIS chipset and what to know if you can switch graphics cards to get a > higher resolution. > > A lot of that depends on the monitor, lcd, or display you are using. Some > displays cannot support that resolution. Search with google, for your > display and see it if supports that resolution. I have a Samsung SyncMaster 753DF 17" monitor and it does support 1280x1024 but the mpeg movies don't play at that resolution. > Does your motherboard support an AGP slot, some intergrated video motherboards > do not support, or have a AGP slot. It would be kind of silly to buy a card > that can not be used on your board. Yes. AGP support exists. The current card is an AGP card. Regards -- Rishi
Re: Does NVIDIA 128 MB RAM (Pine) AGP Card support 1280x1024 and play mpeg videos in X windows?
>Rishi > But I'm unable to play mpeg videos in 1280x1027 resolution. >So therefore I wanted to know if I buy this video card: Pine, 128 MB >NVIDIA AGP Card, FX model, that it would work on my Debian Sarge >system - meaning get high resolution and play mpeg videos? You really need to tell us a little more about your system, I assume you have a SIS chipset and what to know if you can switch graphics cards to get a higher resolution. A lot of that depends on the monitor, lcd, or display you are using. Some displays cannot support that resolution. Search with google, for your display and see it if supports that resolution. Does your motherboard support an AGP slot, some intergrated video motherboards do not support, or have a AGP slot. It would be kind of silly to buy a card that can not be used on your board. If your talking about playing higher resolutions such as HD content in 1080i or 1080p playback, you might not have the cpu power to do that. It's also a good chance if you have a vga monitor that it will not support the higher resolutions that HD will demand. I would suggest you post your system spec's and then we can get a better idea of what is required. Gnu_Raiz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
