XFree86 limiting dot-clock to 125MHz when chip goes to 230MHz

[Daniel B.]

My X server seems to be limiting the video modes to a dot-clock to
125MHz even though video adapter's chip goes to 230MHz.

The adapter is an ATI Radeon Rage XL PCI card.  The chip's dot-clock
goes to 230 MHz (per
http://ati.amd.com/products/server/ragexl/features.html ).

My X server is Sarge's xserver-xfree86 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge5.

Is there some configuration to set to tell X that the chip can
handle 230MHz?



I just upgraded from XFree36 3.3.6 (package xserver-svga) and a
Diamond Viper 330 / vNidia RIVA TNT2.  That X server allowed at least
202 MHz on that card without any special configuration.


Thanks,
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installed xserver-xfree86, what to do to switch to it?

[Daniel B.]

On Sarge, I just installed package xserver-xfree86 and in the
configuration specify to use the xserver-xfree86 server.

However, then run startx, I still get the old xserver-xvga
server (XF86_SVGA).

I even re-did the configuration (using dpkg-recongfigure).


What else do I need to do to get startx/initx/etc. to run the
xserver-xfree86 server?


I notice that the symbolic link /etc/X11/X still points to
/usr/bin/X11/XF86_SVGA.  Shouldn't the re-configuration have
changed that?  (Or is that link no longer used?  If not, what
file stored the choices of which server to run?



Thanks,
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Re: How can I force a clean reinstall of xfree86?

[Greg Folkert]

On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 00:47 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > I have tried running dpkg-reconfigure xfree86
> 
> Are you sure you're running xfree86?  Nowadays xorg is much more common.

Sarge still uses XFree86.
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Re: How can I force a clean reinstall of xfree86?

[Greg Folkert]

On Wed, 2007-03-21 at 20:40 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Greetings;
> 
> Before I do the Windows thing of a complete reinwtall of
> the system for the fourth time, can anybody tell me how to
> do this?
> 
> There is something wrong and the xserver won't come up.
> 
> All it says is "I cannot start the X server" and some other
> general stuff. 

The "some other general stuff" in the logs is exactly the info w need to
help you. Error messages are there for a reason. 

> I have tried running dpkg-reconfigure xfree86
> several times but somthing is not getting completely reset
> because I still have the same problem.

try copying the current /etc/X11/XF86-config to your home dir, for safe
keeping.

Then as "root" run "dexconf > /etc/X11/XF86-config"

Then you should be able to run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86"
successfully.

You see Sarge has the "self-preservation" thing with X that was overcome
after Sarges release.

> I also tried doing a --forcereinstall with apt-get and that
> didn't do the trick either.
> 
> Anybody know how to force a full reinstall?

BTW, remove and re-install is typically NOT going to work in the Linux
world. Remember this is NOT Microsoft's Windows.
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Re: How can I force a clean reinstall of xfree86?

[Stefan Monnier]

> I have tried running dpkg-reconfigure xfree86

Are you sure you're running xfree86?  Nowadays xorg is much more common.


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Re: How can I force a clean reinstall of xfree86?

[Kent West]

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Greetings;

Before I do the Windows thing of a complete reinstall of
the system ...

No need. You've got the basics already.

However, if you're running stable (Sarge), you might consider upgrading 
to testing (Etch), or even unstable (Sid). If you're on a server that 
needs 24x7 uptime, stick with Sarge (but then, why X?). If you're 
putting together a workstation, I think you'll do better with Etch.



There is something wrong and the xserver won't come up.

All it says is "I cannot start the X server" and some other
general stuff. I have tried running dpkg-reconfigure xfree86
several times but somthing is not getting completely reset
because I still have the same problem.
  
Look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log (probably) for lines marked with an (EE). 
Report those lines here.


Also, if your machine has an integrated video system, check the BIOS to 
make sure you've allocated sufficient video RAM (e.g. 8MB or better).


Also, if you've ever edited /etc/X11/XFree86.conf (or whatever the file 
was named in Sarge) by hand, the dpkg-reconfigure thing won't work 
unless you follow the instructions at the top of that file.


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Re: How can I force a clean reinstall of xfree86?

[Jeff D]

On Wed, 21 Mar 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Greetings;

Before I do the Windows thing of a complete reinwtall of
the system for the fourth time, can anybody tell me how to
do this?

There is something wrong and the xserver won't come up.

All it says is "I cannot start the X server" and some other
general stuff. I have tried running dpkg-reconfigure xfree86
several times but somthing is not getting completely reset
because I still have the same problem.

I also tried doing a --forcereinstall with apt-get and that
didn't do the trick either.

Anybody know how to force a full reinstall?

Thanks,
Dennis



check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors? That will problably give you a good 
idea of what having problem



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How can I force a clean reinstall of xfree86?

[wix]

Greetings;

Before I do the Windows thing of a complete reinwtall of
the system for the fourth time, can anybody tell me how to
do this?

There is something wrong and the xserver won't come up.

All it says is "I cannot start the X server" and some other
general stuff. I have tried running dpkg-reconfigure xfree86
several times but somthing is not getting completely reset
because I still have the same problem.

I also tried doing a --forcereinstall with apt-get and that
didn't do the trick either.

Anybody know how to force a full reinstall?

Thanks,
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Re: Xfree86 problems, sarge/woody

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 08:56 -0800, Arlie Stephens wrote:
> (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
> (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice
>   No such device.
> (EE) Generic Mouse: cannot open input device
> (EE) PreInit failed for input device "Generic Mouse"
> (II) UnloadModule: "mouse"

These are errors, but doesn't seem to be fatal, so I guess you can
ignore them. I think this is because the default X configuration sets up
two mice, to support both USB and PS/2. (This kludge isn't needed in
Etch AFAIK)

> (WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such device)
> (II) Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: failed
> (II) Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded

The "WW" indicates that this is simply a warning and can be ignored. APM
is used for power management (if you have supported hardware, drivers,
etc) it's a predecessor to ACPI.

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Re: Xfree86 problems, sarge/woody

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 13:47 -0800, Arlie Stephens wrote:
> > These errors (and the warnings above) indicate that you need to load the
> > framebuffer driver for nvidia cards, "modprobe nvidiafb". 
> 
> Hmm, looks like it's time to really display my ignorance. Is this a
> driver in the sense of kernel driver - and in particular, a kernel
> driver that's loaded dynamically and not built into the main kernel? 
> Or is this a "driver" in some sense specific to X? 

It's a kernel driver, or module, it's usually dynamically loaded in
Debian.

> I'm inclined to presume the former - but if so, well, the system is
> running on a kernel that was current when 'woody' was still the stable
> release of debian. Did kernels of that generation even have this
> driver - or am I looking at a need to upgrade my kernel in order to
> use this version of xfree86 on this system? (Or perhaps more correctly
> - in order to use it without much hand tweaking of files that
> dpkg-reconfigure can't seem to get right - since commenting out
> various things in XF86Config-4 did get X basically working.) 

From your error message, if you didn't change the X configuration I
would guess that it used to be loaded automatically before but wasn't
after some update. Putting it in /etc/modules would fix that.

I think it's included in both woody and sarge, but if memory serves me
right, I think it used to be called rivafb? Anyway, "locate nvidiafb"
should find it (if the locate database is up to date). 

Anyway, If you got X working without this, I wouldn't bother with it too
much...

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Re: Xfree86 problems, sarge/woody

[Arlie Stephens]

On Mar 02 2007, Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 07:56 -0800, Arlie Stephens wrote:
> > The complaint is that it fails to find a framebuffer, regardless of
> > which answer I give to the question of whether or not to use the
> > kernel's framebuffer. I (stupidly) failed to save the XF86Config file
> > before starting, but the current one is identical to an older one that
> > was lying around in /etc/X11. What I don't know is whether that's one
> > from before I got X working on this system the last time, or one that
> > actually worked. 
> 
> (EE) Unable to find a valid framebuffer device
> (EE) NV(0): Failed to open framebuffer device, consult warnings and/or errors 
> above for possible reasons
> (you may have to look at the server log to see warnings)
> 
> These errors (and the warnings above) indicate that you need to load the
> framebuffer driver for nvidia cards, "modprobe nvidiafb". 

Hmm, looks like it's time to really display my ignorance. Is this a
driver in the sense of kernel driver - and in particular, a kernel
driver that's loaded dynamically and not built into the main kernel? 
Or is this a "driver" in some sense specific to X? 

I'm inclined to presume the former - but if so, well, the system is
running on a kernel that was current when 'woody' was still the stable
release of debian. Did kernels of that generation even have this
driver - or am I looking at a need to upgrade my kernel in order to
use this version of xfree86 on this system? (Or perhaps more correctly
- in order to use it without much hand tweaking of files that
dpkg-reconfigure can't seem to get right - since commenting out
various things in XF86Config-4 did get X basically working.) 

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Re: Xfree86 problems, sarge/woody

[Arlie Stephens]

On Mar 02 2007, Wackojacko wrote:
> 
> Arlie Stephens wrote:
> 
> >The complaint is that it fails to find a framebuffer, regardless of
> >which answer I give to the question of whether or not to use the
> >kernel's framebuffer. 
> 
> Have you tried manually editing the file?  Comment out the UseFBDev 
> option below.  There are two other modules not found found errors you 
> may need to address.  See below.

I had not tried. I consider myself clueless with regard to X
configurations, and figured that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 was
about my level of competency. 

I tried your suggestions just now - the result was a more or less
working X, complete with a couple of new error messages, and what
appears to be a totally trashed window manager setup. 

In the past I've had some success with deinstalling and reinstalling
window managers that behave this way, so that's what I'll be trying
next - my guess is that "aptitude dist-upgrade --with-reccomends" got
me half of gnome, instead of the previously installed kde, though I
thought I checked for things like that. In any case, I'm not too
worried about the window manager muddle, at least until I find out 
whether my usual approach works. 

The new complaints follow:

(**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
(EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice
No such device.
(EE) Generic Mouse: cannot open input device
(EE) PreInit failed for input device "Generic Mouse"
(II) UnloadModule: "mouse"

(WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such device)
(II) Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: failed
(II) Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded

The mouse - which is PS2 - appears to be working. I don't know what
"APM" is. 

I'm surprised that commenting out the framebuffer line worked, since I
believe I'd tried both settings of that line - "true" and "false", 
courtesy of dpkg-reconfigure. 

I'll poke this some more after work - this is a personal system, so it
only gets worked on in off hours. 

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Re: Xfree86 problems, sarge/woody

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 07:56 -0800, Arlie Stephens wrote:
> The complaint is that it fails to find a framebuffer, regardless of
> which answer I give to the question of whether or not to use the
> kernel's framebuffer. I (stupidly) failed to save the XF86Config file
> before starting, but the current one is identical to an older one that
> was lying around in /etc/X11. What I don't know is whether that's one
> from before I got X working on this system the last time, or one that
> actually worked. 

(EE) Unable to find a valid framebuffer device
(EE) NV(0): Failed to open framebuffer device, consult warnings and/or errors 
above for possible reasons
(you may have to look at the server log to see warnings)

These errors (and the warnings above) indicate that you need to load the
framebuffer driver for nvidia cards, "modprobe nvidiafb". 

Are you quite sure that you disabled it correctly (double check the file
after running the configuration). It would also be interesting to see if
you get the same errors when it's set to false or commented out.


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Re: Xfree86 problems, sarge/woody

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 07:56:27AM -0800, Arlie Stephens wrote:
> Hi All,

HI

[...]
> 
> X was running after that first stage of the upgrade (to latest woody)
> but would not restart once I rebooted the system. I went ahead and
> upgraded to sarge anyway, figuring I might get lucky, and could just
> as easily debug it on sarge as on woody. 
> 
> The complaint is that it fails to find a framebuffer, regardless of
> which answer I give to the question of whether or not to use the
> kernel's framebuffer. I (stupidly) failed to save the XF86Config file
> before starting, but the current one is identical to an older one that
> was lying around in /etc/X11. What I don't know is whether that's one
> from before I got X working on this system the last time, or one that
> actually worked. 

you have specified "UseFBDev" "true"

> Section "Device"
>   Identifier  "RIVA TNT2"
>   Driver  "nv"
>   Option  "UseFBDev"  "true"
> EndSection
^

maybe try turning that off in the config file directly. Also, if that
dosn't work, try the vesa driver so that maybe you get a working X and
can sor thte nv driver later.

> 
> I'm attaching copies of /var/log/XFree96.0.log and and /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
> in the hopes that someone recognizes these symptoms.  Hopefully this
> list will accept attachments - I haven't tried that before. 
> 
> p.s. I am very much looking forward to etch - its version of X seems
> much better at figuring out how to install itself correctly. But I'd
> prefer to get this system working reliably on sarge, rather moving to
> etch immediately, if I can figure out how to do this. 

you know, the transition from xfree86 to xorg is a big one. I wouldn't
waste time trying to fix up a package that is going to be replaced by
the migration to etch. in fact, if you can do it, I'd just uninstall
X, dist-upgrade to etch and then reinstall X.

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Re: Xfree86 problems, sarge/woody

[Wackojacko]

Arlie Stephens wrote:


The complaint is that it fails to find a framebuffer, regardless of
which answer I give to the question of whether or not to use the
kernel's framebuffer. 


Have you tried manually editing the file?  Comment out the UseFBDev 
option below.  There are two other modules not found found errors you 
may need to address.  See below.

### BEGIN DEBCONF SECTION




Section "Module"
Load"GLcore"
Load"bitmap"
Load"dbe"
Load"ddc"
Load"dri"
Load"extmod"
Load"freetype"
Load"glx"
Load"int10"
Load"pex5"

This line is causing an error, comment it out for now.

Load"record"
Load"speedo"
Load"type1"
Load"vbe"
Load"xie"

This line is causing an error, comment it out for now.

EndSection





Section "Device"
Identifier  "RIVA TNT2"
Driver  "nv"
Option  "UseFBDev""true"

This line is causing an error, comment it out for now.


Errors noted

(II) LoadModule: "pex5"
(WW) Warning, couldn't open module pex5
(II) UnloadModule: "pex5"





(EE) Failed to load module "pex5" (module does not exist, 0)
(WW) Warning, couldn't open module xie
(II) UnloadModule: "xie"
(EE) Failed to load module "xie" (module does not exist, 0)





(WW) open /dev/fb1: No such device
(WW) open /dev/fb2: No such device
(WW) open /dev/fb3: No such device
(WW) open /dev/fb4: No such device
(WW) open /dev/fb5: No such device
(WW) open /dev/fb6: No such device
(WW) open /dev/fb7: No such device
(EE) Unable to find a valid framebuffer device
(EE) NV(0): Failed to open framebuffer device, consult warnings and/or errors 
above for possible reasons
(you may have to look at the server log to see warnings)


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Xfree86 problems, sarge/woody

[Arlie Stephens]

Hi All,

You folks were so helpful with my last problem, I thought I'd impose
on your patience once again with the next one downstream.

Two nights ago I (finally) upgraded an elderly system from woody to
sarge. X stopped working. Moreover, it seems to have stopped working
not during the upgrade to sarge but earlier, when I brought it up to
the latest set of woody packages, from some slightly older version.
(I say slightly older because, while it hadn't had anything installed
since 'sarge' became stable, I doubt 'woody' had changed that much 
thereafter, and I think I'd been fairly regular about updating it 
beforeheand.)

X was running after that first stage of the upgrade (to latest woody)
but would not restart once I rebooted the system. I went ahead and
upgraded to sarge anyway, figuring I might get lucky, and could just
as easily debug it on sarge as on woody. 

The complaint is that it fails to find a framebuffer, regardless of
which answer I give to the question of whether or not to use the
kernel's framebuffer. I (stupidly) failed to save the XF86Config file
before starting, but the current one is identical to an older one that
was lying around in /etc/X11. What I don't know is whether that's one
from before I got X working on this system the last time, or one that
actually worked. 

I'm attaching copies of /var/log/XFree96.0.log and and /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
in the hopes that someone recognizes these symptoms.  Hopefully this
list will accept attachments - I haven't tried that before. 

p.s. I am very much looking forward to etch - its version of X seems
much better at figuring out how to install itself correctly. But I'd
prefer to get this system working reliably on sarge, rather moving to
etch immediately, if I can figure out how to do this. 

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### BEGIN DEBCONF SECTION
# XF86Config-4 (XFree86 server configuration file) generated by dexconf, the
# Debian X Configuration tool, using values from the debconf database.
#
# Edit this file with caution, and see the XF86Config-4 manual page.
# (Type "man XF86Config-4" at the shell prompt.)
#
# If you want your changes to this file preserved by dexconf, only make changes
# before the "### BEGIN DEBCONF SECTION" line above, and/or after the
# "### END DEBCONF SECTION" line below.
#
# To change things within the debconf section, run the command:
#   dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
# as root.  Also see "How do I add custom sections to a dexconf-generated
# XF86Config or XF86Config-4 file?" in /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz.

Section "Files"
FontPath"unix/:7100"# local font server
# if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load"GLcore"
Load"bitmap"
Load"dbe"
Load"ddc"
Load"dri"
Load"extmod"
Load"freetype"
Load"glx"
Load"int10"
Load"pex5"
    Load"record"
Load"speedo"
Load"type1"
Load"vbe"
Load"xie"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Generic Keyboard"
Driver  "keyboard"
Option  "CoreKeyboard"
Option  "XkbRules"  "xfree86"
Option  "XkbModel"  "pc104"
Option  "XkbLayout" "us"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Configured Mouse"
Driver  "mouse"
Option  "CorePointer"
Option  "Device""/dev/psaux"
Option  "Protocol"  "PS/2"
Option  "ZAxisMapping"  "4 5"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Generic Mouse"
Driver  "mouse"
Option  "SendCoreEvents""true"
Option 

Re: xorg & xfree86

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Mon, 2007-01-15 at 17:22 +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> xfree86 changed its licence to something not very free, so what
> happened is that xorg foundation took the last remaining
> freely-licenced xfree86 code and renamed it xorg, then started working
> on that.

I think the actual license change simply was the final straw. See the
Wikipedia article about XFree86, especially the part about "dissent
within the project".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFree86

It really nice to see how development of X has flourished since the
split from XFree86.

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Re: xorg & xfree86

[Bill Smith]

John L Fjellstad wrote:

"Tshepang Lekhonkhobe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


xfree86 changed its licence to something not very free, so what
happened is that xorg foundation took the last remaining
freely-licenced xfree86 code and renamed it xorg, then started working
on that. Loads of other distros use xorg now, and I actually wonder
who's using xfree86, for new development today.


I think even the *BSD people went to Xorg


indeed, a long time ago



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"Tshepang Lekhonkhobe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> xfree86 changed its licence to something not very free, so what
> happened is that xorg foundation took the last remaining
> freely-licenced xfree86 code and renamed it xorg, then started working
> on that. Loads of other distros use xorg now, and I actually wonder
> who's using xfree86, for new development today.

I think even the *BSD people went to Xorg

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> I am not very clear about the differences between xorg & xfree86. Why
> did we move from xfree86 in sarge to xorg in Etch? I tried to google it.
> I could get only individual information but not a comparision.

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Re: xorg & xfree86

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:59:22 +0530
Raghu Kodali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am not very clear about the differences between xorg & xfree86. Why
> did we move from xfree86 in sarge to xorg in Etch? I tried to google
> it. I could get only individual information but not a comparision.

Licence issues:

http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/FAQ#xfree86license

You might want to read the whole page.

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Re: xorg & xfree86

[Tshepang Lekhonkhobe]

On 1/15/07, Raghu Kodali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I am not very clear about the differences between xorg & xfree86. Why
did we move from xfree86 in sarge to xorg in Etch? I tried to google it.
I could get only individual information but not a comparision.


xfree86 changed its licence to something not very free, so what
happened is that xorg foundation took the last remaining
freely-licenced xfree86 code and renamed it xorg, then started working
on that. Loads of other distros use xorg now, and I actually wonder
who's using xfree86, for new development today.


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xorg & xfree86

[Raghu Kodali]

I am not very clear about the differences between xorg & xfree86. Why
did we move from xfree86 in sarge to xorg in Etch? I tried to google it.
I could get only individual information but not a comparision.

Thanks
Raghu




It is better to throw windows out of the computer than throwing the
computer out of the window.  (Copied from a mailing list)

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Re: [Sarge] XFree86 does not start

[Thorsten Haude]

Hi,

* Thorsten Haude wrote (2006-11-27 16:33):
>* Sven Arvidsson wrote (2006-11-27 15:54):
>>You can use "dpkg -S /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/mga_drv.o" to find
>>out which package a file belongs to, and reinstall it.
>
>Thanks for the hint! It's xserver-xfree86, one of the packages I
>already reinstalled. But now I also removed three files left in the
>directory after the purge which I thought could not possibly do any
>harm (mga_drv.o.xf86, mga_drv.0.matrox and mga_hal_drv.0).
>
>Obviously, they did, now I have my X back in all its non-Xinerama
>glory. The rest should be piecocake.

And it was, just copying the old XF86Config-4 did the trick.

Thanks again!


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Re: [Sarge] XFree86 does not start

[Thorsten Haude]

Hi,

* Sven Arvidsson wrote (2006-11-27 15:54):
>You can use "dpkg -S /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/mga_drv.o" to find
>out which package a file belongs to, and reinstall it.

Thanks for the hint! It's xserver-xfree86, one of the packages I
already reinstalled. But now I also removed three files left in the
directory after the purge which I thought could not possibly do any
harm (mga_drv.o.xf86, mga_drv.0.matrox and mga_hal_drv.0).

Obviously, they did, now I have my X back in all its non-Xinerama
glory. The rest should be piecocake.


Thanks!

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Re: [Sarge] XFree86 does not start

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Mon, 2006-11-27 at 15:36 +0100, Thorsten Haude wrote:
> * Thorsten Haude wrote (2006-11-27 15:24):
> >after a recent upgrade, my X server will not start up. Log entries seem
> >to indicate that X chokes on the Matrox drivers for my G550 DH AGP.
> 
> Forgot something: A logfile can be found here:
> http://www.vranx.de/XFree86.0.log.gz

Hi,

You can use "dpkg -S /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/mga_drv.o" to find
out which package a file belongs to, and reinstall it.

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Re: [Sarge] XFree86 does not start

[Thorsten Haude]

Hi,

* Thorsten Haude wrote (2006-11-27 15:24):
>after a recent upgrade, my X server will not start up. Log entries seem
>to indicate that X chokes on the Matrox drivers for my G550 DH AGP.

Forgot something: A logfile can be found here:
http://www.vranx.de/XFree86.0.log.gz


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[Sarge] XFree86 does not start

[Thorsten Haude]

Hi,

after a recent upgrade, my X server will not start up. Log entries seem
to indicate that X chokes on the Matrox drivers for my G550 DH AGP.

Installing the Matrox drivers was pretty easy, so I figured I'll just
throw away my old stuff and do it again.

My question is: How do I get rid of my old X server? I tried to purge a
number of packages (x-window-system, x-window-sytem-core, xserver-common
and xserver-xfree86), but I get the same error after reinstalling them.

tia,
Thorsten
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Re: X resolution: dpk-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 does nothing

[Maarten Verwijs]

On Fri, Nov 24, 2006 at 07:30:18PM +0100, David Jardine wrote:
> > I tried running dpg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and it returned
> > immediately without doing anything.
> > 
> > What is the procedure for reconfiguring my x server?

Did you run dexconf after dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86?
You can check if the configuration was altered by looking at the date of
/etc/XF86Config-4


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Re: X resolution: dpk-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 does nothing

[David Jardine]

On Fri, Nov 24, 2006 at 03:39:35AM -0700, Ed Young wrote:
> For some reason debian installed X with a really low resolution so I'm
> trying to increase my screen resolution from 800x600  to something
> like 1024x768.
> 
> I tried running dpg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and it returned
> immediately without doing anything.
> 
> What is the procedure for reconfiguring my x server?

You know that you can go through the available resolutions with, 
I think, ctrl-alt and the keypad plus or minus keys?

> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: X resolution: dpk-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 does nothing

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On Fri, 2006-11-24 at 03:39 -0700, Ed Young wrote:
> For some reason debian installed X with a really low resolution so I'm
> trying to increase my screen resolution from 800x600  to something
> like 1024x768.
> 
> I tried running dpg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and it returned
 dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
> immediately without doing anything.
> 
> What is the procedure for reconfiguring my x server?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -- 
> Ed
> 

I assume that you have only mis-typed the command in this message, but I
better mention it. I also assume that you have just installed Debian
Sarge. 
To execute the above-mentioned command, you have to be root. Type su and
then the root password.

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X resolution: dpk-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 does nothing

[Ed Young]

For some reason debian installed X with a really low resolution so I'm
trying to increase my screen resolution from 800x600  to something
like 1024x768.

I tried running dpg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and it returned
immediately without doing anything.

What is the procedure for reconfiguring my x server?

Thanks,

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Re: xorg , xfree86?

[Paul E Condon]

On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 07:06:22PM +0100, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 16:24:04 -, Thomas Dickey wrote:
> > Florian Kulzer wrote:
> > 
> > > for developers to contribute. Someone can make such a statement without
> > > being an aspiring contributor himself. I see neither a "promise" nor a
> > > "lie" in what he writes.
> > 
> > The lie was this: stating that it was not allowed to happen.
> 
> There is no justification for calling someone a liar unless you can
> prove that they intentionally spread false information. 

More precisely ...unless you can prove that they intentionally spread
information that they know to be false. This is very hard to prove,
and an accuser's knowing for a fact that a statement is false has
nothing to do with proving that the putative liar did not believe it
to be true.

In general, almost nobody is a liar because they invariably believe
their own lie, and they fail the test for knowing that the statement
is false.

> 
> > Anytime the topic came up, invariably it was from people who were not
> > going to do the work, but wanted someone else to do it for them.
> 
> The wikipedia page on XFree86 certainly suggests that people willing to
> contribute were denied CVS access. If you think you know better what
> really happened then you should maybe correct this article and cite
> sources to back you up.

I have read horror stories about outsiders trying to correct
information on wikipedia. I don't know whether they are true, but the
stories seem to have more than mere truthiness. But it hardly
matters. See above about proving someone is a liar.

There does seem to be an internal controversy within the Xwindow
developer community. How else can one explain the existence of a fork?
Luckily, there seem to be enough real developers in that community to
support two prongs of an Xwindows fork, maybe more. The two camps can
compete for talent from the same pool. Perhaps the competition will
cause to pool to grow.

I persist in my belief that issues of changes in the license had
something to do with the fork happening. It was not merely a spat
over a design decision where both sides had ego involvement. And,
certainly not a spat in which one side was *right* and the other
side *wrong*. 

All this has become much to heated for me to be interested in finding
supporting evidence for my position out there on the web, so don't
bother challenging my persistent belief. If I found such, wouldn't
the response be, 'Yes, but that's not the real reason.' ? Will
historians of technology write tomes on this issue? I wonder.

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Re: xorg , xfree86?

[Thomas Dickey]

Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 16:24:04 -, Thomas Dickey wrote:
>> Florian Kulzer wrote:
>> 
>> > for developers to contribute. Someone can make such a statement without
>> > being an aspiring contributor himself. I see neither a "promise" nor a
>> > "lie" in what he writes.
>> 
>> The lie was this: stating that it was not allowed to happen.

> There is no justification for calling someone a liar unless you can
> prove that they intentionally spread false information. 

hmm - the alternative is to prove that he's stupid and spreading other
people's false information.  Take your pick.

>> Anytime the topic came up, invariably it was from people who were not
>> going to do the work, but wanted someone else to do it for them.

> The wikipedia page on XFree86 certainly suggests that people willing to

don't use that as a reference - parts of it are true, but only part.

Furthermore, as a reference for this issue, it doesn't address it.

> contribute were denied CVS access. If you think you know better what
> really happened then you should maybe correct this article and cite
> sources to back you up.

shrug: the parts that are untrue can easily be checked on mailing list
archives.  The people who wrote the wikipedia article don't care for
that - the _primary_ source of information for appears to be slashdot.

> The point of my last mail was that nothing in Kevin's messages in this
> thread justifies your borderline rude behavior. He is not responsible
> for whatever grudges you have against other people who may or may not
> have promised to contribute to XFree86. 

He's free to followup by actually reporting facts rather than lies.
(Given the nature of this mailing list, I'm assuming someone will
point out that this is not his _responsibility_).

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Re: xorg , xfree86?

[Florian Kulzer]

On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 16:24:04 -, Thomas Dickey wrote:
> Florian Kulzer wrote:
> 
> > for developers to contribute. Someone can make such a statement without
> > being an aspiring contributor himself. I see neither a "promise" nor a
> > "lie" in what he writes.
> 
> The lie was this: stating that it was not allowed to happen.

There is no justification for calling someone a liar unless you can
prove that they intentionally spread false information. 

> Anytime the topic came up, invariably it was from people who were not
> going to do the work, but wanted someone else to do it for them.

The wikipedia page on XFree86 certainly suggests that people willing to
contribute were denied CVS access. If you think you know better what
really happened then you should maybe correct this article and cite
sources to back you up.

The point of my last mail was that nothing in Kevin's messages in this
thread justifies your borderline rude behavior. He is not responsible
for whatever grudges you have against other people who may or may not
have promised to contribute to XFree86. 

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Re: xorg , xfree86?

[Thomas Dickey]

Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> for developers to contribute. Someone can make such a statement without
> being an aspiring contributor himself. I see neither a "promise" nor a
> "lie" in what he writes.

The lie was this: stating that it was not allowed to happen.

Anytime the topic came up, invariably it was from people who were not
going to do the work, but wanted someone else to do it for them.

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Re: xorg , xfree86?

[Florian Kulzer]

On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 11:22:24 -, Thomas Dickey wrote:
> Kevin Mark wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, Nov 05, 2006 at 11:03:01PM +, Thomas Dickey wrote:
> >> Kevin Mark wrote:
> >> > One of the reasons why there was not a modularized source tree in
> >> > XFree86 was that it was not allowed to happen. No? So XFree86 never
> >> > could have it, while Xorg now does. And this lead to XFree86 development
> >> > being harder than Xorg. To me this is a differnce, a major difference,
> >> > regardless which version of Xorg has it.
> 
> >> oh.  Then we'll expect to see some significant X development from _you_ in
> >> the near future, demonstrating that your comment was informed.
> 
> >  Hehe. Only on a free software list could someone ask an individual
> >  to backup their opinion by producing improvements to a mammoth project
> >  like Xorg/Freedesktop :-) The best I can do is send some pennies to the X =
> > strike
> 
> not in the least.  I noted your comment, and could only interpret it in one of
> two ways (a lie such as we often see on slashdot, or a promise that since now
> that things were being done the way you wanted, you'd start to produce
> something).
> 
> looking forward to your contribution...

I think there is a perfectly innocent interpretation of the "To me this
is a difference, a major difference, ..." statement in the context of
the discussion: Kevin is simply justifying why he chose to emphasize the
modularization. That is how I understood this sentence when I first read
it. It seems important to him that the modular structure makes it easier
for developers to contribute. Someone can make such a statement without
being an aspiring contributor himself. I see neither a "promise" nor a
"lie" in what he writes.

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Re: xorg , xfree86?

[Thomas Dickey]

Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 05, 2006 at 11:03:01PM +, Thomas Dickey wrote:
>> Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > One of the reasons why there was not a modularized source tree in
>> > XFree86 was that it was not allowed to happen. No? So XFree86 never
>> > could have it, while Xorg now does. And this lead to XFree86 development
>> > being harder than Xorg. To me this is a differnce, a major difference,
>> > regardless which version of Xorg has it.

>> oh.  Then we'll expect to see some significant X development from _you_ in
>> the near future, demonstrating that your comment was informed.

>  Hehe. Only on a free software list could someone ask an individual
>  to backup their opinion by producing improvements to a mammoth project
>  like Xorg/Freedesktop :-) The best I can do is send some pennies to the X =
> strike

not in the least.  I noted your comment, and could only interpret it in one of
two ways (a lie such as we often see on slashdot, or a promise that since now
that things were being done the way you wanted, you'd start to produce
something).

looking forward to your contribution...

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Re: xorg , xfree86?

[Kevin Mark]

On Sun, Nov 05, 2006 at 11:03:01PM +, Thomas Dickey wrote:
> Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > One of the reasons why there was not a modularized source tree in
> > XFree86 was that it was not allowed to happen. No? So XFree86 never
> > could have it, while Xorg now does. And this lead to XFree86 development
> > being harder than Xorg. To me this is a differnce, a major difference,
> > regardless which version of Xorg has it.
> 
> oh.  Then we'll expect to see some significant X development from _you_ in
> the near future, demonstrating that your comment was informed.

 Hehe. Only on a free software list could someone ask an individual
 to backup their opinion by producing improvements to a mammoth project
 like Xorg/Freedesktop :-) The best I can do is send some pennies to the X 
strike
 force. :=) Arent you involved with Xterm? Can I conclude that _you_
 dont see any benefit in your work.
 cheers,
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[Kevin Mark]

On Sun, Nov 05, 2006 at 07:04:28PM +0100, Mathias Brodala wrote:
> Hello Kevin.
> 
> Kevin Mark, 05.11.2006 19:03:
> >> That means: if you want a monolithic X-server, you can have one with Xorg 
> >> too.
> > 
> > So its possible to have a monolithic Xorg X server. Debian does not package 
> > one. Who does?
> 
> How about Debian[0]?

But that was the 6.8. Which was after the XFree86 that shipped with
Sarge when Xorg was being transitioned to the current modularized form
which is what will be shipped with Etch. We dont do that now. I was
asking who now ships one now?

> 
> (I would have accepted your statement if was the following:
> Kevin Mark, 05.11.2006 03:08:
> > One of the major differences between XFree86 and [the current] Xorg is the
> > use of modularized source.
> )
My point was that XFree86 is not modularized because the project did not
and will not allow that. It was only possible with the birth of a new
project that allowed that and had that goal in mind: xorg.

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[Thomas Dickey]

Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> One of the reasons why there was not a modularized source tree in
> XFree86 was that it was not allowed to happen. No? So XFree86 never
> could have it, while Xorg now does. And this lead to XFree86 development
> being harder than Xorg. To me this is a differnce, a major difference,
> regardless which version of Xorg has it.

oh.  Then we'll expect to see some significant X development from _you_ in
the near future, demonstrating that your comment was informed.

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Re: xorg , xfree86?

[Mathias Brodala]

Hello Kevin.

Kevin Mark, 05.11.2006 19:03:
>> That means: if you want a monolithic X-server, you can have one with Xorg 
>> too.
> 
> So its possible to have a monolithic Xorg X server. Debian does not package 
> one. Who does?

How about Debian[0]?

(I would have accepted your statement if was the following:
Kevin Mark, 05.11.2006 03:08:
> One of the major differences between XFree86 and [the current] Xorg is the
> use of modularized source.
)


Regards, Mathias

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Re: xorg , xfree86?

[Kevin Mark]

On Sun, Nov 05, 2006 at 11:13:59AM +0100, Mathias Brodala wrote:
> Hello Kevin.
> 
> Kevin Mark, 05.11.2006 03:08:
> > One of the major differences between XFree86 and Xorg is the use of 
> > modularized source.
> 
> Nope. 

Huh?

> That???s the difference between Release 6.9 and 7.0 and has nothing to
> do with differences between XFree86 and Xorg. 

One of the reasons why there was not a modularized source tree in
XFree86 was that it was not allowed to happen. No? So XFree86 never
could have it, while Xorg now does. And this lead to XFree86 development
being harder than Xorg. To me this is a differnce, a major difference,
regardless which version of Xorg has it.

> (Although the former doesn???t have a modularized tree.)

Did I not say that?

Does XFree86 have a modularized source tree? No.
Does Xorg 6.9 have a modularized source tree? No.
Does Xorg 7.0+ have a modularized source tree? Yes.

> 
> That means: if you want a monolithic X-server, you can have one with Xorg too.

So its possible to have a monolithic Xorg X server. Debian does not
package one. Who does?

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[Mathias Brodala]

Hello Kevin.

Kevin Mark, 05.11.2006 03:08:
> One of the major differences between XFree86 and Xorg is the use of 
> modularized source.

Nope. That’s the difference between Release 6.9 and 7.0 and has nothing to do
with differences between XFree86 and Xorg. (Although the former doesn’t have a
modularized tree.)

That means: if you want a monolithic X-server, you can have one with Xorg too.


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Re: xorg , xfree86?

[Kevin Mark]

On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 05:00:28PM -0700, Paul E Condon wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 04:38:36PM -0700, ChadDavis wrote:
> > Hey there.  What X system does my recent (installed yesterday ) debian etch
> > system use? Isn't there adifference between xfree86 and xorg?  The docs I
> > found on the debian site are for xfree86 but my system seems to have X11 /
> > xorg stuff on it?  Sort me out if I'm clueless.
> 
> Sarge uses xfree86. Etch uses xorg. As I understand it, there was a change
> in the license of xfree86 after release of Sarge. That change was not
> acceptable according to DFSG. So, people who take such things seriously,
> and have the talent to do something about it, have forked x-windows. 
> (I care, but don't have the talent.)
> 
One of the major differences between XFree86 and Xorg is the use of 
modularized source. This allows each part of the server to worked on
individually and by default easier and faster. There are now individual
files for the various video cards and input devices.
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Re: xorg , xfree86?

[Russell L. Harris]

ChadDavis wrote:
Hey there.  What X system does my recent (installed yesterday ) debian 
etch system use? Isn't there adifference between xfree86 and xorg?  
The docs I found on the debian site are for xfree86 but my system 
seems to have X11 / xorg stuff on it?  Sort me out if I'm clueless. 



Etch uses xorg, but you may encounter artifacts of xfree86, this being 
the tail-end of a transition period. 

The primary difference which I have noticed is a significant 
simplification of the keyboard layout scheme; xorg is cleaner and easier 
to modify than is xfree86. 

But beware!  Until a month or so ago, you could mess up your system on a 
royal scale by making changes to xfree86 even though xorg is in use.  
But with each release, the xfree86 code is being removed. 

If you are a Dvorak user, xorg now provides the "classic" Dvorak layout, 
as well as the "modified" Dvorak layout.  The classic layout is the 
original scheme, which was devised by Dvorak about 1936; the modified 
layout is a severely-compromised scheme which was standardized by ANSI 
about 1981.  (It is appears that the members of the ANSI committee were 
not touch typists, or else were coerced; hence, their failure to 
standardize the original Dvorak layout.) The classic Dvorak layout has 
been available in Debian for a year or two for the virtual console. 


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Re: xorg , xfree86?

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 04:38:36PM -0700, ChadDavis wrote:
> Hey there.  What X system does my recent (installed yesterday ) debian 
> etch
> system use? 

xorg

>Isn't there adifference between xfree86 and xorg?

yes. i think xorg is a fork of xf86. try google.

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[Paul E Condon]

On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 04:38:36PM -0700, ChadDavis wrote:
> Hey there.  What X system does my recent (installed yesterday ) debian etch
> system use? Isn't there adifference between xfree86 and xorg?  The docs I
> found on the debian site are for xfree86 but my system seems to have X11 /
> xorg stuff on it?  Sort me out if I'm clueless.

Sarge uses xfree86. Etch uses xorg. As I understand it, there was a change
in the license of xfree86 after release of Sarge. That change was not
acceptable according to DFSG. So, people who take such things seriously,
and have the talent to do something about it, have forked x-windows. 
(I care, but don't have the talent.)

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[ChadDavis]

Hey there.  What X system does my recent (installed yesterday ) debian etch system use? Isn't there adifference between xfree86 and xorg?  The docs I found on the debian site are for xfree86 but my system seems to have X11 / xorg stuff on it?  Sort me out if I'm clueless.  
Respect.

Re: TV-out with XFree86 and nv - possible?

[Uwe Dippel]

On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 10:24:32 -0500, Ryan Nowakowski wrote:

> I've been trying for a few weeks.  I have a mythtv box based on debian
> with an NVidia GeForce 4 card that I want to use to connect to my TV.
> *None* of the configs I've tried have worked with either the nv or
> nvidia drivers.  I know right now tv out is broken in the nvidia driver.
> I even tried nvtv with no success.  Good luck.  If you get anything
> working I'd sure like to hear about it.

Hmm. Cannot confirm this. For me, TV-out is fine with nvidia 8776 (and it
was with the earlier versions, as well). You need to study the README,
though, and add stuff to XF86Config, something similar to (depends on your
card, your primary display, etc., of course):

Driver  "nvidia"
Option  "TwinView"
Option  "MetaModes" "1280x1024, 640x480"
Option  "TwinViewOrientation" "Clone"
Option  "TVStandard" "PAL-G"
Option  "TVOutFormat" "SVIDEO"


Me, for my part, I'm very interested in getting rid of that blob nvidia
and use nv instead. If you get anything in this direction, please let me
know.

(Please, with a Cc:; since the traffic is too high for me to follow up on
the list.)

Uwe



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Re: TV-out with XFree86 and nv - possible?

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Sun, 2006-10-22 at 11:35 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> The description of 'nvtv' suggests it is possible:
> 
> Description: tool to control TV chips on NVidia cards under Linux
>  This is a program to control the TV encoder chips on NVidia cards under
>  Linux, in order to get tv-out with a wide range of resolutions and
>  sizes, including "overscan" modes. It does even work with the free nv 
> drivers.
> 
> But all sample configs I found with google are using the 'nvidia'
> driver. I don't need any special features, just want to watch movies on
> my TV. Any pointers to where should I start digging?

Hi,

Depending upon the graphic card and the tv encoder chip, it's quite
possible. See the documentation in /usr/share/doc/nvtv/ for the
supported list.

If your card and chip is supported, no XFree86/Xorg configuration is
needed, only adjustments in the nvtv program.

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mga error after upgrade to xfree86 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge2

[D G Teed]

Hello, Debian Users of the World...

I did have XFree86 working well with dual monitors, 2.6.16.18 kernel and
the prior xfree86 (stable sources) from the spring and summer of 2006.

A recent apt-get upgrade brought in newer xfree86 server, and
when I recently rebooted, I found X would not start.
I've tried making the kernel again, with no DRM/MGA modules
in case they were conflicting with that from XFree86 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge2
No change.

Here are the types of errors in the XFree86.log file:


Required symbol MGAValidateMode from module
/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/mga_drv.o is unresolved!
Required symbol MGASetMode from module
/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/mga_drv.o is unresolved!
Required symbol MGASetMode from module
/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/mga_drv.o is unresolved!
{...}
Fatal server error:
Some required symbols were unresolved   

Searching in google, I see others hit by this bug, but their solution
is to compile
xorg based drivers for mesa and such.  Given that this XFree86 is debian
custom stuff, where do I go to do similar to the information on this web site:

http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/Building

Is there an apt based way to build this from Debian sources and
resolve my conflicts?

Of course, I can run X with vesa, but that doesn't give me the
beauty and productivity of dual head display.

--Donald


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Re: TV-out with XFree86 and nv - possible?

[Ryan Nowakowski]

On Sun, Oct 22, 2006 at 11:35:01AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> The description of 'nvtv' suggests it is possible:
> 
> Description: tool to control TV chips on NVidia cards under Linux
>  This is a program to control the TV encoder chips on NVidia cards under
>  Linux, in order to get tv-out with a wide range of resolutions and
>  sizes, including "overscan" modes. It does even work with the free nv 
> drivers.
> 
> But all sample configs I found with google are using the 'nvidia'
> driver. I don't need any special features, just want to watch movies on
> my TV. Any pointers to where should I start digging?

I've been trying for a few weeks.  I have a mythtv box based on debian
with an NVidia GeForce 4 card that I want to use to connect to my TV.
*None* of the configs I've tried have worked with either the nv or
nvidia drivers.  I know right now tv out is broken in the nvidia driver.
I even tried nvtv with no success.  Good luck.  If you get anything
working I'd sure like to hear about it.

- Ryan


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[Andrei Popescu]

Hello all,

The description of 'nvtv' suggests it is possible:

Description: tool to control TV chips on NVidia cards under Linux
 This is a program to control the TV encoder chips on NVidia cards under
 Linux, in order to get tv-out with a wide range of resolutions and
 sizes, including "overscan" modes. It does even work with the free nv drivers.

But all sample configs I found with google are using the 'nvidia'
driver. I don't need any special features, just want to watch movies on
my TV. Any pointers to where should I start digging?

Thanks for reading,
Andrei
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Re: S3 SuperSavage video card / "XFree86-DRI" missing on display

[Florian Reitmeir]

Hi,

DRI is needed for 3D performance and video output. Not all X drivers support
DRI. And kernel support is also needed.

please post
- your X log, it should be under /var/log/XFree86.0.log (or similar)
- the output of 'lspci'

make sure
- your chipset agp driver is loaded
- your agpgart driver is loaded
you should be able to verify this by using 'lsmod'


btw, in most cases a 2.6er kernel offers more/better support for laptops


On Fre, 20 Okt 2006, RayLo wrote:

> I am running Debian 2.4.27 on a Toshiba Satellite 2405-S201. The
> machine has an S3 SuperSavage/IXC1179 video card. Everything works
> fine, except when I try to run a game called Tibia from the console I
> get:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/bin/Tibia$ ./Tibia
> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
> error: Video surface allocation failed. (Error Code 13)
> 
> I have also tried running ./Tibia engine 3 but get the same result. (I
> saw a suggestion to try that somewhere.)
> 
> Here are some key entries in my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file:
> 
> Section "Module"
>   Load"GLcore"
>   Load"bitmap"
>   Load"dbe"
>   Load"ddc"
>   Load"dri"
>   Load"extmod"
>   Load"freetype"
>   Load"glx"
>   Load"int10"
>   Load"record"
>   Load"speedo"
>   Load"type1"
>   Load"vbe"
> EndSection
> 
> Section "Device"
>   Identifier  "S3 Graphics SuperSavage/IXC1179"
>   Driver  "savage"
> EndSection
> 
> At the end, there is this section, which I thought might be relevant
> since the error message appeared to reference XFree86-DRI:
> 
> Section "DRI"
>   Mode0666
> EndSection
> 
> To the best of my knowledge, the latest S3 drivers, which include
> support for SuperSavage cards, exist in
> /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers in file savage_drv.o.
> 
> Thank you again for your help,
> Ray

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Re: video cards, the mouse, Xfree86 and Debian installation.....

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 11:55:05AM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> >Depending what you want as a window manager etc.. You have to scan 10
> 
> OK.  I will now reinstall and scan the pants of the entire 
> distribution.

STOP! You don't have to reinstall. You've got a working CLI right?
you're golden now. You don't even have to scan anymore disks either as
you're on broadband. please read "man sources.list" to learn how to
set up the apt-get system. use the main debian mirrors for now but do
change to another one soon to help spread the load. Then read "man
apt-get" so you understand how that works. Once you've got a working
CLI and an internet connection, you can download and install whatever
packages you want on your system trivially. 

for example:

apt-get install x-window-system 

will download and install all the packages needed to run the
x-window-system. its really simple.

to reconfigure the x-server, if you're having problems like specifying
the wrong driver issue the following

dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86

that will take you through the setup of the xserver and write a new
config file for you.


> 
> I now think I really need a DVD on my machine.
> 

nah. pulling packages over the net is so simple. read up on the whole
apt system. of course, you may still want a DVD, but only for the fun
stuff :)


> Vesa came up as default.  I will try it.

Vesa should work with everything. You can get the system running with
Vesa and then try reconfiguring your way into the "right" drivers for
your hardware.

> >
> >psaux or something like this?
> 

/dev/psaux is the device for a PS mouse.

hth.

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Re: video cards, the mouse, Xfree86 and Debian installation.....

[Michael Fothergill]

I have installed gnome etc as you advised.  Xwindows is working and I am 
writing this email on a browser I just fired up on my new Debian OS... 
Gnome looks good.


The windows are much nicer than Fedora's.  This seems like a powerful OS 
indeed.

It will take a little getting used to.

I should probably reconfigure the Xwindows to make it more precisely set up. 
 I can also have a go at configuring the printer.  I am well accustomed to 
doing this in Fedora.


Regards,

Michael Fothergill



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To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: video cards, the mouse, Xfree86 and Debian installation.
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:21:54 -0500

Kent West wrote:
> gpm also is a quicker means of
> experimenting with mouse types than trying to "startx" over and over
> until you get it right.
>

Or, to find the correct location, you can type "cat /dev/psaux" and move
the mouse around; if you see a bunch of garbage appear on the screen,
you've found the correct device. Ctrl-C to stop it. If "/dev/psaux"
doesn't work, you can try "/dev/ttySxx" (replace the xx with 00, 01,
etc), or "/dev/input/mice". One of these is likely to work.

Be aware that if just the right type of garbage is produced, it can
result in undesired behavior, like scrambling your terminal (the command
"reset", typed blindly, will often, but not always fix this) or even
locking up your keyboard. Then you'd either have to ssh in from another
computer to regain control of your computer (assuming you've set up
incoming ssh access, which you probably haven't), or cycle the power,
which is somewhat rough on the OS.


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Re: video cards, the mouse, Xfree86 and Debian installation.....

[Kent West]

Kent West wrote:
> gpm also is a quicker means of
> experimenting with mouse types than trying to "startx" over and over
> until you get it right.
>   

Or, to find the correct location, you can type "cat /dev/psaux" and move
the mouse around; if you see a bunch of garbage appear on the screen,
you've found the correct device. Ctrl-C to stop it. If "/dev/psaux"
doesn't work, you can try "/dev/ttySxx" (replace the xx with 00, 01,
etc), or "/dev/input/mice". One of these is likely to work.

Be aware that if just the right type of garbage is produced, it can
result in undesired behavior, like scrambling your terminal (the command
"reset", typed blindly, will often, but not always fix this) or even
locking up your keyboard. Then you'd either have to ssh in from another
computer to regain control of your computer (assuming you've set up
incoming ssh access, which you probably haven't), or cycle the power,
which is somewhat rough on the OS.


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Re: video cards, the mouse, Xfree86 and Debian installation.....

[Kent West]

 X
> no home/mikef .xsession file or Xsession file, no window manager, no
> terminal emulators found; aborting.

Oh, that's good. That means your X server is working. You just don't
have all the other accouterments needed.

Generally, "aptitude install x-window-system kde gnome" will give you
all you want. But since you've already gotten the server working, you
can build it up a bit more piecemeal if you prefer. For example, you can
"aptitude install icewm" and you'd be pleased that you're making
progress next time you "startx". But I think you'd like the first
command, installing a full system, better.

> The log messages before X tried to start contained things like"failed
> to acquire AGP,AGPdisabled, xf86 open serial cannot open device" etc

Worry about these things later. Just get a basic box working first.

> How do I run the Xwindows configuration again using the CLI in the
> install I have if it is good enough?

"dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common", I believe. Or, maybe it's
"dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86". I forget.

> Do I have to reinstall again and then configure Xwindows again there
> to get it to work?

No. Never. (Sometimes it might be easier to reinstall, but with Debian,
you can always pull yourself up by your bootstraps with a fairly limited
system.)

> Where can I get Fedora to remind me the mouse type I have precisely
> for the aid of Debian?

Not being a Fedora user, I have no clue; but I'd start by looking in the
file "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4" if it exists.

===

Welcome.

There's a fairly good "Installing Debian"-type of document on the Debian
web site, but I'm too lazy to go hunting it right now. You might find
some value through reading that.

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Re: video cards, the mouse, Xfree86 and Debian installation.....

[Michael Fothergill]

Thanks for responding,

mikef



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To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: video cards, the mouse, Xfree86 and Debian installation.
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:42:25 +1000

On Tuesday 17 October 2006 21:10, Michael Fothergill shared this with us 
all:

>--> Dear Debian folks,
>-->
>--> I have installed Debian on my PC here.

Which Debian? Sarge, Etch or Sid?


*I am using Debian Sarge 3.1 release three.


>It runs a 1200MHz Athlon CPU and
> has --> one 20GB disk on it with Fedora Core 5 on it and now after 
deleted
> Windows a --> second disk (primary) which is 40GB in size has now got 
the

> Desktop Debian --> installation on it.
>-->
>--> At least I think it does.
>-->
>--> I have a few questions about the installation process.
>-->
>--> I spent quite a while downloading the 15 or so CD iso images from 
mirror

>--> site using wget and bittorrent (bittorrent was a waste of time - not
> enough --> fellow downloaders).
>-->
>--> I then burnt them to CDs and checked them for integrity one by one 
with

> the --> Debian installer.
>-->
>--> I installed the OS a number of times but I got problems getting the X
>--> windows to work.

As root:-
apt-get install x-window-system-core
or
apt-get install x-window-system

>-->
>--> At the moment the OS is there and boots etc but only in command line
> mode. -->

startx


>--> But before talking about this I have some other queries.
>-->
>--> When I loaded up the installer it automatically found and configured 
mu

>--> cable broadband.  It looked as though it made use of this to download
> some --> security upgrades while installing from the CDs.
>-->
>--> After I got through the partitioning and base install (it never has a
>--> problem with this) I got to the reboot and the tedious entering of
> passwords --> for root and the user.

Booted?

>-->
>--> I then rebooted and fired up the OS.

Why reboot again?

>At this stage it tells you to put
> the --> first CD in.  It scans through it for what it calls index files.
> It then --> comes at you with a cryptic instruction that says something
> like "If you --> have another CD in your install set please put it in 
now

> and get it --> scanned".  Well, I've got 15 of them..

Lucky, I have 19 and had a friend download them about 6 weeks ago, maybe
longer, because I am on dial up.


Gee that's tough.  I can download an iso here in about an hour and a half or 
so in wget.


>-->
>--> We are not talking feather linux here.
>-->
>--> So I experimented with this in a number of installs.  I found that if
> you --> scanned three of the fifteen CDs it seemed to be able give you 
the

> option of --> installing the Desktop install and the other five or so
> installs webserver, --> print server, donut server, Ronald Reagan 
neocortex
> server etc, and it then --> seemed to be able to finish the rest of 
install

> with some bugs in the font --> installation and some other quirks but
> basically it seemed to work. -->

Depending what you want as a window manager etc.. You have to scan 10


OK.  I will now reinstall and scan the pants of the entire 
distribution.



apt-cdrom add

>--> But if you tried to only scan one disk it then omitted the Desktop
> install --> option and only presented you with a choice of the remaining
> five.  If you --> tried to install then it worked ok but of course there
> was no XWindows at --> all just the command line.
>-->
>--> I then tried instaling again and this time I made a mistake of 
scanning

> the --> first binary twice before the others.  Then there was a problem
> with the apt --> get installation which was fatal and it had to be
> abandoned.
>-->
>--> How many of these CDs should be scanned at this stage for index 
files?

>-->
>--> All fifteen?

Would be good, but at least 10


I now think I really need a DVD on my machine.

>-->
>--> I wish I had a DVD player on this machine.
>-->
>--> I installed again and scanned the first four of the CDs this time and
> then --> installed the Desktop.  My video card is an SiS 630/730 
according

> to Fedora. -->   I put SiS in at what I think was the video card
> manufacturer choice --> setting in install.

What comes up as default? Try vesa?


Vesa came up as default.  I will try it.


>-->
>--> There was then some stuff about Power PCs and video card bus
> identifiers.  I --> do not know what the bus identifier is for the video
> card on this machine --> and I am not sure how to determine this.
>-->
>--> But  it seemed as though i

Re: video cards, the mouse, Xfree86 and Debian installation.....

[M-L]

On Tuesday 17 October 2006 21:10, Michael Fothergill shared this with us all:
>--> Dear Debian folks,
>-->
>--> I have installed Debian on my PC here.  

Which Debian? Sarge, Etch or Sid?

>It runs a 1200MHz Athlon CPU and 
> has --> one 20GB disk on it with Fedora Core 5 on it and now after deleted
> Windows a --> second disk (primary) which is 40GB in size has now got the
> Desktop Debian --> installation on it.
>-->
>--> At least I think it does.
>-->
>--> I have a few questions about the installation process.
>-->
>--> I spent quite a while downloading the 15 or so CD iso images from mirror
>--> site using wget and bittorrent (bittorrent was a waste of time - not
> enough --> fellow downloaders).
>-->
>--> I then burnt them to CDs and checked them for integrity one by one with
> the --> Debian installer.
>-->
>--> I installed the OS a number of times but I got problems getting the X
>--> windows to work.

As root:-
apt-get install x-window-system-core
or
apt-get install x-window-system

>-->
>--> At the moment the OS is there and boots etc but only in command line
> mode. -->

startx


>--> But before talking about this I have some other queries.
>-->
>--> When I loaded up the installer it automatically found and configured mu
>--> cable broadband.  It looked as though it made use of this to download
> some --> security upgrades while installing from the CDs.
>-->
>--> After I got through the partitioning and base install (it never has a
>--> problem with this) I got to the reboot and the tedious entering of
> passwords --> for root and the user.

Booted?

>-->
>--> I then rebooted and fired up the OS.  

Why reboot again?

>At this stage it tells you to put 
> the --> first CD in.  It scans through it for what it calls index files. 
> It then --> comes at you with a cryptic instruction that says something
> like "If you --> have another CD in your install set please put it in now
> and get it --> scanned".  Well, I've got 15 of them..

Lucky, I have 19 and had a friend download them about 6 weeks ago, maybe 
longer, because I am on dial up.

>-->
>--> We are not talking feather linux here.
>-->
>--> So I experimented with this in a number of installs.  I found that if
> you --> scanned three of the fifteen CDs it seemed to be able give you the
> option of --> installing the Desktop install and the other five or so
> installs webserver, --> print server, donut server, Ronald Reagan neocortex
> server etc, and it then --> seemed to be able to finish the rest of install
> with some bugs in the font --> installation and some other quirks but
> basically it seemed to work. -->

Depending what you want as a window manager etc.. You have to scan 10
apt-cdrom add

>--> But if you tried to only scan one disk it then omitted the Desktop
> install --> option and only presented you with a choice of the remaining
> five.  If you --> tried to install then it worked ok but of course there
> was no XWindows at --> all just the command line.
>-->
>--> I then tried instaling again and this time I made a mistake of scanning
> the --> first binary twice before the others.  Then there was a problem
> with the apt --> get installation which was fatal and it had to be
> abandoned.
>-->
>--> How many of these CDs should be scanned at this stage for index files?
>-->
>--> All fifteen?

Would be good, but at least 10
>-->
>--> I wish I had a DVD player on this machine.
>-->
>--> I installed again and scanned the first four of the CDs this time and
> then --> installed the Desktop.  My video card is an SiS 630/730 according
> to Fedora. -->   I put SiS in at what I think was the video card
> manufacturer choice --> setting in install.

What comes up as default? Try vesa?

>-->
>--> There was then some stuff about Power PCs and video card bus
> identifiers.  I --> do not know what the bus identifier is for the video
> card on this machine --> and I am not sure how to determine this.
>-->
>--> But  it seemed as though it only wanted the video bus identifier to be
>--> entered if you were using an Apple PowerPC not an ordinary PC like mine.
>-->
>--> So I left it blank.  Please let me know if I was wrong here.
>-->
>--> I got to the mouse autoconfiguration bit.  I tried this but maybe it
> didn't --> work properly.  It sounded like it thought I had a serial mouse
> but I think --> I have a 3 button PS mouse.

psaux or something like this?

>-->
>--> I think I should reinstall and then choose manual configuration of the
>--> mouse.  But maybe there is a way fire up the mouse installation routine
> from --> the command line interface in my current install which does boot
> and run (if --> you think this install is OK based on scanning only the
> first four of the 15 --> CDs for index files).

Nope. probably enough for the mouse
>-->
>--> If you could give me the CLI command for this this would be useful.
>-->
>--> I also did what I could do configure Xwindows but was not successful it
>--> seems.

as root:-
dpkg-reconfig

video cards, the mouse, Xfree86 and Debian installation.....

[Michael Fothergill]

Dear Debian folks,

I have installed Debian on my PC here.  It runs a 1200MHz Athlon CPU and has 
one 20GB disk on it with Fedora Core 5 on it and now after deleted Windows a 
second disk (primary) which is 40GB in size has now got the Desktop Debian 
installation on it.


At least I think it does.

I have a few questions about the installation process.

I spent quite a while downloading the 15 or so CD iso images from mirror 
site using wget and bittorrent (bittorrent was a waste of time - not enough 
fellow downloaders).


I then burnt them to CDs and checked them for integrity one by one with the 
Debian installer.


I installed the OS a number of times but I got problems getting the X 
windows to work.


At the moment the OS is there and boots etc but only in command line mode.

But before talking about this I have some other queries.

When I loaded up the installer it automatically found and configured mu 
cable broadband.  It looked as though it made use of this to download some 
security upgrades while installing from the CDs.


After I got through the partitioning and base install (it never has a 
problem with this) I got to the reboot and the tedious entering of passwords 
for root and the user.


I then rebooted and fired up the OS.  At this stage it tells you to put the 
first CD in.  It scans through it for what it calls index files.  It then 
comes at you with a cryptic instruction that says something like "If you 
have another CD in your install set please put it in now and get it 
scanned".  Well, I've got 15 of them..


We are not talking feather linux here.

So I experimented with this in a number of installs.  I found that if you 
scanned three of the fifteen CDs it seemed to be able give you the option of 
installing the Desktop install and the other five or so installs webserver, 
print server, donut server, Ronald Reagan neocortex server etc, and it then 
seemed to be able to finish the rest of install with some bugs in the font 
installation and some other quirks but basically it seemed to work.


But if you tried to only scan one disk it then omitted the Desktop install 
option and only presented you with a choice of the remaining five.  If you 
tried to install then it worked ok but of course there was no XWindows at 
all just the command line.


I then tried instaling again and this time I made a mistake of scanning the 
first binary twice before the others.  Then there was a problem with the apt 
get installation which was fatal and it had to be abandoned.


How many of these CDs should be scanned at this stage for index files?

All fifteen?

I wish I had a DVD player on this machine.

I installed again and scanned the first four of the CDs this time and then 
installed the Desktop.  My video card is an SiS 630/730 according to Fedora. 
 I put SiS in at what I think was the video card manufacturer choice 
setting in install.


There was then some stuff about Power PCs and video card bus identifiers.  I 
do not know what the bus identifier is for the video card on this machine 
and I am not sure how to determine this.


But  it seemed as though it only wanted the video bus identifier to be 
entered if you were using an Apple PowerPC not an ordinary PC like mine.


So I left it blank.  Please let me know if I was wrong here.

I got to the mouse autoconfiguration bit.  I tried this but maybe it didn't 
work properly.  It sounded like it thought I had a serial mouse but I think 
I have a 3 button PS mouse.


I think I should reinstall and then choose manual configuration of the 
mouse.  But maybe there is a way fire up the mouse installation routine from 
the command line interface in my current install which does boot and run (if 
you think this install is OK based on scanning only the first four of the 15 
CDs for index files).


If you could give me the CLI command for this this would be useful.

I also did what I could do configure Xwindows but was not successful it 
seems.


The monitor I use is a 15 inch CRT Belinea device.   Belinea is not a 
manufacturer that X seems to know much about.   But I have got X work OK 
with it in Fedora.


I don't know the horizontal and vertical refresh numbers for it.  But maybe 
I could use Fedora to tell me them and then put high quality information 
into Debian when configuring Xwindows for it.


Suggestions here are welcome.

When I tried startx I got a little cross and a little box in the middle of 
the screen that said things like "Xsession unable to start X no home/mikef 
.xsession file or Xsession file, no window manager, no terminal emulators 
found; aborting.


Comments welcome here.

The log messages before X tried to start contained things like"failed to 
acquire AGP,AGPdisabled, xf86 open serial cannot open device" etc


Comments welcome.

How do I run the Xwindows configuration again using the CLI in the install I 
have if it is good enough?


Do I have to reinstall again and then configure Xwindows again there to get 

Re: xfree86 Upgrade Problem

[Dave Whiteley]

On Tuesday 17 October 2006 11:19, Florian Kulzer wrote:
>
> I cannot find package "lgtoclnt" anywhere in Sarge, Etch, Sid or
> Experimental. Is it an official Debian package? If not, get rid of it
> and see if that fixes the upgrade problem.
>
> --
> Regards,
>   Florian

Ah --- a silly then.

It is from our backup software - from Legato Networker.  

My problem.  I will find a work around.

Dave

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Re: xfree86 Upgrade Problem

[Florian Kulzer]

On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 10:35:40 +0100, Dave Whiteley wrote:
> I have just tried an 
> 
> apt-get update; apt-get upgrade, and I am getting the following error.
> .
> Preconfiguring packages ...
> (Reading database ... 29451 files and directories currently installed.)
> Preparing to replace xfree86-common 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1 
> (using .../xfree86-common_4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge2_all.deb) ...
> Unpacking replacement xfree86-common ...
> dpkg: error 
> processing 
> /var/cache/apt/archives/xfree86-common_4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge2_all.deb 
> (--unpack):
>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/X11', which is also in package lgtoclnt
>  System startup links for /etc/init.d/xfree86-common already exist.
> Setting up X server socket directory /tmp/.X11-unix...done.
> Setting up ICE socket directory /tmp/.ICE-unix...done.
> Errors were encountered while processing:
>  /var/cache/apt/archives/xfree86-common_4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge2_all.deb
> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
> 
> 
> Is this a silly or a reportable bug?

I cannot find package "lgtoclnt" anywhere in Sarge, Etch, Sid or
Experimental. Is it an official Debian package? If not, get rid of it
and see if that fixes the upgrade problem.

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[Dave Whiteley]

I have just tried an 

apt-get update; apt-get upgrade, and I am getting the following error.
.
Preconfiguring packages ...
(Reading database ... 29451 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace xfree86-common 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1 
(using .../xfree86-common_4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge2_all.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement xfree86-common ...
dpkg: error 
processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xfree86-common_4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge2_all.deb 
(--unpack):
 trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/X11', which is also in package lgtoclnt
 System startup links for /etc/init.d/xfree86-common already exist.
Setting up X server socket directory /tmp/.X11-unix...done.
Setting up ICE socket directory /tmp/.ICE-unix...done.
Errors were encountered while processing:
 /var/cache/apt/archives/xfree86-common_4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge2_all.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)


Is this a silly or a reportable bug?

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(FIXED) Re: startx question -- Etch & Xorg vs Sarge and XFree86

[Marc Shapiro]

Liam O'Toole wrote:


On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 10:29:33 -0700
Marc Shapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 


I am currently running Sarge with XFree86.  I have done a chroot
install of Etch with Xorg.  When I boot into Sarge I run X with the
command:

startx -- :1.0 vt07 (through an alias)

and my wife uses

startx -- :0.0 vt08

That way we can each have seperate X sessions open at the same time, 
with our own preferences, colors, bookmarks, etc.


When I boot to Etch, however, this results in a blank gray X screen
and no mouse keys seem to do anything, so I can not even open an
xterm.  All I can do is a ctl-alt-bksp to get out of X entirely.  If
I remove the alias so that startx uses no commandline parameters,
then X starts up fine, using fvwm2, setting my background color and
opening an mrxvt terminal (all this is in .xinitrc).

Does Xorg handle parameters to startx differently?  Is there some way
to get this same functionality in Etch with Xorg?  Without it, I may
have to stick with Sarge and XFree86.

   



Try using .Xsession instead of .xinitrc. For backward compatibility, do

   ln -s .xinitrc .Xsession

Also, consider putting the server arguments in .xserverrc rather than
using an alias. You can override those arguments on the command line
when required.
 

I changed the ':1.0' to ':1' and the ':0.0' to ':0' and it eventually 
started working.  Putting the server args in Xsession did not seem to 
work, even with the change in format.  I may play around with that some 
more, but for now using the alias is doing what I need.


Thanks for the input.

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Re: startx question -- Etch & Xorg vs Sarge and XFree86

[Liam O'Toole]

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 10:29:33 -0700
Marc Shapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am currently running Sarge with XFree86.  I have done a chroot
> install of Etch with Xorg.  When I boot into Sarge I run X with the
> command:
> 
> startx -- :1.0 vt07 (through an alias)
> 
> and my wife uses
> 
> startx -- :0.0 vt08
> 
> That way we can each have seperate X sessions open at the same time, 
> with our own preferences, colors, bookmarks, etc.
> 
> When I boot to Etch, however, this results in a blank gray X screen
> and no mouse keys seem to do anything, so I can not even open an
> xterm.  All I can do is a ctl-alt-bksp to get out of X entirely.  If
> I remove the alias so that startx uses no commandline parameters,
> then X starts up fine, using fvwm2, setting my background color and
> opening an mrxvt terminal (all this is in .xinitrc).
> 
> Does Xorg handle parameters to startx differently?  Is there some way
> to get this same functionality in Etch with Xorg?  Without it, I may
> have to stick with Sarge and XFree86.
> 

Try using .Xsession instead of .xinitrc. For backward compatibility, do

ln -s .xinitrc .Xsession

Also, consider putting the server arguments in .xserverrc rather than
using an alias. You can override those arguments on the command line
when required.

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[Marc Shapiro]

I am currently running Sarge with XFree86.  I have done a chroot install 
of Etch with Xorg.  When I boot into Sarge I run X with the command:


startx -- :1.0 vt07 (through an alias)

and my wife uses

startx -- :0.0 vt08

That way we can each have seperate X sessions open at the same time, 
with our own preferences, colors, bookmarks, etc.


When I boot to Etch, however, this results in a blank gray X screen and 
no mouse keys seem to do anything, so I can not even open an xterm.  All 
I can do is a ctl-alt-bksp to get out of X entirely.  If I remove the 
alias so that startx uses no commandline parameters, then X starts up 
fine, using fvwm2, setting my background color and opening an mrxvt 
terminal (all this is in .xinitrc).


Does Xorg handle parameters to startx differently?  Is there some way to 
get this same functionality in Etch with Xorg?  Without it, I may have 
to stick with Sarge and XFree86.


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Re: Migrating XFree86 to Xorg

[Florian Kulzer]

On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 20:48:00 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have a problem with my laptop, but it's not really laptop specific.
> 
> For two years I happily used it in class with an external projector.
> 
> This summer after a variety of upgrades (don't ask) I have problems.
> 
> I can currently say that debian testing/Xorg using an Xorg config
> found on the web specific for my klaptop (Averatec 3225) works
> perfectly *except* the projector says "no signal" as soon as X
> starts.
> 
> Knoppix 4.0 (Xfree86) works and so does the projector. Knoppix 5.0
> (Xorg) works, but not the projector.
> 
> Evidently there is something in the Xorg config which the projector
> can't handle.
> 
> I tried noting the horizontal and vertical sync values from the
> XFree86 config created by knopppix 4 and using those in the Xorg conf
> file. X starts fine, but the projector again refuses to
> cooperate. Obviuosly I'm missing something.
> 
> My question then: can somebody point me at a tool to migrate an
> XFree86 config to Xorg? I figure there must be one as I have
> successfully upgrade two other machines (both testing) from XFree to
> Xorg.

I have the impression that Xorg often overrides the LCD/CRT on/off keys
of laptops, while XFree86 was less "aggressive". You will have to adapt
to this beahvior. Some graphics cards have a simple command line tool to
switch the displays on and off, for others you have to change your
xorg.conf to a "cloning" configuration. We need to know what your
graphics hardware is in order to help your further. Please post the
output of

lspci | egrep -i 'vga|video'

and tell us if you start X from the command line or if you use [xkg]dm
for graphical log-in.

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Migrating XFree86 to Xorg

[dbarker]

I have a problem with my laptop, but it's not really laptop specific.

For two years I happily used it in class with an external projector.

This summer after a variety of upgrades (don't ask) I have problems.

I can currently say that debian testing/Xorg using an Xorg config
found on the web specific for my klaptop (Averatec 3225) works
perfectly *except* the projector says "no signal" as soon as X
starts.

Knoppix 4.0 (Xfree86) works and so does the projector. Knoppix 5.0
(Xorg) works, but not the projector.

Evidently there is something in the Xorg config which the projector
can't handle.

I tried noting the horizontal and vertical sync values from the
XFree86 config created by knopppix 4 and using those in the Xorg conf
file. X starts fine, but the projector again refuses to
cooperate. Obviuosly I'm missing something.

My question then: can somebody point me at a tool to migrate an
XFree86 config to Xorg? I figure there must be one as I have
successfully upgrade two other machines (both testing) from XFree to
Xorg.

Any assistance will be gratefully received.
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Re: Radeon driver and Xfree86

[José Alburquerque]

Nick Wright wrote:


Interesting -- that sounds like the machine is still running.. can you
connect to it on SSH or ping it still when it gets into that state? If
you can still log in then you might be able to just kill off the X
process and have it start again without needing the reboot. Also,
there might be some more informative logging that you can take a look
at.

 

Unfortunately, I have no other machine that I can ping or SSH from, so I 
would have no choice but to "restart".  I know that 
-- usually kills X, but even that hasn't worked 
when I've experienced these hangs.  Like you suggest, if the problem 
persists, I'll look at the logs to see what I can find :-)



With my issue there is no ping, the screen has a frozen image of what
was on the screen at the time.

 


This definitely sounds like a hardware/kernel problem.


I swapped out the motherboard yesterday afternoon to another one that
I had previously used. The hardware configuration is now the exact
same setup that ran Windows XP fine for ~1 year. I just need to wait a
few weeks to see if the problem has gone away..

 


This will probably do the trick.  Good luck once more. :-)

Sincerely
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Re: Radeon driver and Xfree86

[Nick Wright]

> I too have been experiencing "lock ups" every so often, but I don't 
> think it's because of my graphics card (ATI Rage 128 Pro).   With me it 
> happens a while after I leave xmms playing a bunch of mp3's (by then 
> xscreensaver has been active for a while).  Sometimes the music will 
> just stop playing.  When I come back, the monitor is blank, but nothing 
> I do (move the mouse, press keys) brings the monitor back.  I have to 
> press to on/off/sleep button on the computer.  When I do, it seems that 
> system goes through a normal shutdown (ie. as if I had typed "shutdown 
> -h" at the prompt).  I can then bring the computer up and it comes up 
> normally without checking file systems, etc.  I've experienced this 
> about 2 or 3 times in about the last two weeks.  I'm running testing 
> (etch).
> 

Interesting -- that sounds like the machine is still running.. can you
connect to it on SSH or ping it still when it gets into that state? If
you can still log in then you might be able to just kill off the X
process and have it start again without needing the reboot. Also,
there might be some more informative logging that you can take a look
at.

With my issue there is no ping, the screen has a frozen image of what
was on the screen at the time.

I swapped out the motherboard yesterday afternoon to another one that
I had previously used. The hardware configuration is now the exact
same setup that ran Windows XP fine for ~1 year. I just need to wait a
few weeks to see if the problem has gone away..


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Re: Radeon driver and Xfree86

[José Alburquerque]

Nick Wright wrote:


Unfortuantely the computer occasionally locks up (no kernel panic or
anything helpful to go on here). I realise there are any number of
reasons (hardware, software) that might be the cause of the random
lockups. They're happening about once a week at the moment.
 

I too have been experiencing "lock ups" every so often, but I don't 
think it's because of my graphics card (ATI Rage 128 Pro).   With me it 
happens a while after I leave xmms playing a bunch of mp3's (by then 
xscreensaver has been active for a while).  Sometimes the music will 
just stop playing.  When I come back, the monitor is blank, but nothing 
I do (move the mouse, press keys) brings the monitor back.  I have to 
press to on/off/sleep button on the computer.  When I do, it seems that 
system goes through a normal shutdown (ie. as if I had typed "shutdown 
-h" at the prompt).  I can then bring the computer up and it comes up 
normally without checking file systems, etc.  I've experienced this 
about 2 or 3 times in about the last two weeks.  I'm running testing 
(etch).



I'd like to start with the video card driver though, as I have a
feeling this is the most likely cause. There are open source drivers
at dri.freedesktop.org. I'd like to give them a go as I am pretty sure
I've tried them out in the past and found them to be fairly decent. 


My question is how to go about setting these up on debian stable? Do I
need to download and build a bunch of custom Xfree stuff, patch my
kernel, etc etc? Is there a deb source for these drivers?


Thanks,

Nick


 


I hope you get your drivers working :-)


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[Nick Wright]

Hi All,

I have been using the proprietary driver from ATI to run my radeon
9600 in a dual-screen setup.

Unfortuantely the computer occasionally locks up (no kernel panic or
anything helpful to go on here). I realise there are any number of
reasons (hardware, software) that might be the cause of the random
lockups. They're happening about once a week at the moment.

I'd like to start with the video card driver though, as I have a
feeling this is the most likely cause. There are open source drivers
at dri.freedesktop.org. I'd like to give them a go as I am pretty sure
I've tried them out in the past and found them to be fairly decent. 

My question is how to go about setting these up on debian stable? Do I
need to download and build a bunch of custom Xfree stuff, patch my
kernel, etc etc? Is there a deb source for these drivers?


Thanks,

Nick


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Re: Difference between xfree86-common and x11-common

[Michael]

Christopher Nelson wrote:

On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 10:00:06PM -0400, J F wrote:
  

The difference between xfree86-common and x11-common packages is?
and why they conflict?

Is one x11 stuff version 3 (old video cards) and the other version 4?



xfree86-common is from the XFree86 project, x11-common is from the X.org
project.  In etch, Debian is switching to X.org IIRC due to liscense
changes (but I don't know the details).  They conflict because they're
from two different implementations of X 

  

http://www.xfree86.org/legal/licenses.html

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Re: Difference between xfree86-common and x11-common

[Christopher Nelson]

On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 10:00:06PM -0400, J F wrote:
> 
> The difference between xfree86-common and x11-common packages is?
> and why they conflict?
> 
> Is one x11 stuff version 3 (old video cards) and the other version 4?

xfree86-common is from the XFree86 project, x11-common is from the X.org
project.  In etch, Debian is switching to X.org IIRC due to liscense
changes (but I don't know the details).  They conflict because they're
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[J F]

The difference between xfree86-common and x11-common packages is?
and why they conflict?


Is one x11 stuff version 3 (old video cards) and the other version 4?


Thanks
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no direct rendering with via (s3) unichrome and XFree86 4.3.0.1

[Mumia W.]

I can't seem to get direct rendering working. Here is my system info:

Linux 2.6.17.1
Debian 3.1r2.
XFree86 4.3.0.1
Relevant PCI info:
:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown
device 3108 (rev 01) (prog-if 00 [VGA])
Subsystem: Elitegroup Computer Systems: Unknown device 1828
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 10
Memory at e800 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=64M]
Memory at ec00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M]
Expansion ROM at  [disabled] [size=64K]
Capabilities: 

The file pci.ids says that device 3108 is an S3 Unichrome Pro VGA 
Adapter. I think the 'via' module supports this.


This is what I did to try to get DRM working on my system:

** modprobe via
** Edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and change this:


Section "Device"
Identifier  "Generic Video Card"
Driver  "vesa"
EndSection

  to this:

Section "Device"
Identifier  "Generic Video Card"
Driver  "via"
EndSection


When I did the "modprobe via," dmesg said this:

[drm] Initialized drm 1.0.1 20051102
ACPI: PCI Interrupt :01:00.0[A] -> Link [LNKA] -> GSI 10 (level, low) -> 
IRQ 10
[drm] Initialized via 2.7.4 20051116 on minor 0


And lsmod shows that drm and via are loaded.

But when I try to start X, it aborts with the message "(EE) no devices
detected."

How do I get my hardware to do DRI?



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problems with Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0" for an alpha machine + debian

[Antonio Parodi]

Hello,
I have installed vis5d on my alpha + debian.
When I try to run vis5d, I have the following error message:

Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".

I have checked the file of configuration for XFree86 and the string
load "dri" is present.

The details of my card are

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ lspci
:00:07.0 ISA bridge: Contaq Microsystems 82c693
:00:07.1 IDE interface: Contaq Microsystems 82c693
:00:07.2 IDE interface: Contaq Microsystems 82c693
:00:07.3 USB Controller: Contaq Microsystems 82c693
:00:0d.0 Display controller: 3DLabs GLINT R3 (rev 01)
0001:01:03.0 Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporatio n
DECchip
21142/43 (rev 41)
0001:01:06.0 SCSI storage controller: QLogic Corp. ISP1020 Fas t-wide
SCSI
(rev 06)
0001:01:08.0 PCI bridge: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip  21152
(rev
03)

Do you have any suggestion or comment?
Thank you in advance
Antonio


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Re: apt-get install: x11-common vs xfree86-common: "trying to overwrite /etc/X11/Xsession"

[Chris Bannister]

On Wed, Mar 29, 2006 at 05:39:44PM -0600, will trillich wrote:
> we haven't figured out how to get past this apt-get snag:
> 
> # apt-get install x11-common
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree... Done
> Suggested packages:
>   x-window-system-core x-window-system
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>   x11-common
> 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 22 not upgraded.
> 18 not fully installed or removed.
> Need to get 0B/1124kB of archives.
> After unpacking 1647kB of additional disk space will be used.
> Preconfiguring packages ...
> (Reading database ... 42848 files and directories currently installed.)
> Unpacking x11-common (from .../x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-4_all.deb) ...
> dpkg: error processing
> /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-4_all.deb (--unpack):
>  trying to overwrite `/etc/X11/Xsession', which is also in package
> xfree86-common
> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
> Errors were encountered while processing:
>  /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-4_all.deb
> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
> ideas?

dpkg --force-help

Specifically - "dpkg --force-all -i x11-common"

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Re: apt-get install: x11-common vs xfree86-common: "trying to overwrite /etc/X11/Xsession"

[Justin Guerin]

will trillich wrote:

> we haven't figured out how to get past this apt-get snag:
> 
> # apt-get install x11-common
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree... Done
> Suggested packages:
>   x-window-system-core x-window-system
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>   x11-common
> 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 22 not upgraded.
> 18 not fully installed or removed.
> Need to get 0B/1124kB of archives.
> After unpacking 1647kB of additional disk space will be used.
> Preconfiguring packages ...
> (Reading database ... 42848 files and directories currently installed.)
> Unpacking x11-common (from .../x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-4_all.deb) ...
> dpkg: error processing
> /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-4_all.deb (--unpack):
>  trying to overwrite `/etc/X11/Xsession', which is also in package
> xfree86-common
> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
> Errors were encountered while processing:
>  /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-4_all.deb
> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
> 
> # apt-get install xfree86-common
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree... Done
> xfree86-common is already the newest version.
> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>   libx11-6: Depends: x11-common (> 4.3.0) but it is not going to be
>   installed xfree86-common: Depends: x11-common but it is not going to be
>   installed
> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or
> specify a solution).
> 
> # apt-get -f install
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree... Done
> Correcting dependencies... Done
> The following extra packages will be installed:
>   x11-common
> Suggested packages:
>   x-window-system-core x-window-system
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>   x11-common
> 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 22 not upgraded.
> 18 not fully installed or removed.
> Need to get 0B/1124kB of archives.
> After unpacking 1647kB of additional disk space will be used.
> Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
> Preconfiguring packages ...
> (Reading database ... 42848 files and directories currently installed.)
> Unpacking x11-common (from .../x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-4_all.deb) ...
> dpkg: error processing
> /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-4_all.deb (--unpack):
>  trying to overwrite `/etc/X11/Xsession', which is also in package
> xfree86-common
> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
> Errors were encountered while processing:
>  /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-4_all.deb
> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
> 
> ideas?
> 
What happens if you try to remove xfree86-common?  If you can't just remove
it, what happens when you try to remove it and install x11-common at the
same time?

I don't know if you're on Sarge or something else, but if x11-common,
x-window-system-core and x-window-system have a higher priority, then a
dist-upgrade should be able to do the job.  However, that will try to
upgrade everything else, too.  I'd recommend using aptitude's interactive
mode.  Mark x11-common, x-window-system-core and x-window-system for
upgrade, and if it doesn't automatically mark xfree86-common for removal,
do it yourself.  Aptitude won't let you proceed with conflicts, and it will
suggest resolutions, so it should work.

Justin Guerin



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Re: apt-get install: x11-common vs xfree86-common: "trying to overwrite /etc/X11/Xsession"

[Sumo Wrestler (or just ate too much)]

will trillich wrote:

we haven't figured out how to get past this apt-get snag:
[...]
dpkg: error processing
/var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-4_all.deb (--unpack):
 trying to overwrite `/etc/X11/Xsession', which is also in package
xfree86-common
dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
Errors were encountered while processing:
 /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-4_all.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[...]


Perhaps you can use dpkg-divert to divert the new /etc/X11/Xsession to a 
new filename such as /etc/X11/Xsession-diverted.





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apt-get install: x11-common vs xfree86-common: "trying to overwrite /etc/X11/Xsession"

[will trillich]

we haven't figured out how to get past this apt-get snag:

# apt-get install x11-common
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Suggested packages:
  x-window-system-core x-window-system
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  x11-common
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 22 not upgraded.
18 not fully installed or removed.
Need to get 0B/1124kB of archives.
After unpacking 1647kB of additional disk space will be used.
Preconfiguring packages ...
(Reading database ... 42848 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking x11-common (from .../x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-4_all.deb) ...
dpkg: error processing
/var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-4_all.deb (--unpack):
 trying to overwrite `/etc/X11/Xsession', which is also in package
xfree86-common
dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
Errors were encountered while processing:
 /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-4_all.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

# apt-get install xfree86-common
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
xfree86-common is already the newest version.
You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  libx11-6: Depends: x11-common (> 4.3.0) but it is not going to be installed
  xfree86-common: Depends: x11-common but it is not going to be installed
E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or
specify a solution).

# apt-get -f install
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Correcting dependencies... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
  x11-common
Suggested packages:
  x-window-system-core x-window-system
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  x11-common
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 22 not upgraded.
18 not fully installed or removed.
Need to get 0B/1124kB of archives.
After unpacking 1647kB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
Preconfiguring packages ...
(Reading database ... 42848 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking x11-common (from .../x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-4_all.deb) ...
dpkg: error processing
/var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-4_all.deb (--unpack):
 trying to overwrite `/etc/X11/Xsession', which is also in package
xfree86-common
dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
Errors were encountered while processing:
 /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-4_all.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

ideas?

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Re: Does Xorg depend on XFree86

[Leonid Grinberg]

> does Xorg have any depends to XFree86?

Nope. X is now mainly run by X.org, and all the code that is in
XFree86 that it would depend on is in it, at least as I understand it.

> already downloaded Xorg from their site, and compiled it, but seem to be
> having problems

Why don't you just install the Debian package?

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Does Xorg depend on XFree86

[Jay]

Happy Monday all,
   Running Sarge, and realize that I may be better off running Xorg 
rather than XFree86 due to updated video drivers available for my card.  
I don't like to have packages installed that aren't being used, so my 
question is:  does Xorg have any depends to XFree86?  I've actually 
already downloaded Xorg from their site, and compiled it, but seem to be 
having problems.  Could this be due to XFree86 packages not being 
installed? 


TIA,
Jay


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Re: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86

[Doofus]

Angelina Carlton wrote:


Doofus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

 


But now I'm even more confused. Ideally I'd like to understand why it
suddenly works. Everything I've found on the net describes the great
difficulty in configuring this laptop to run correctly at
1400x1050. Some X config files I've found (which didn't work) contain
1400x1050 modelines like yours above. However, I can't see any
reference to that resolution in the now running config built by the
nVidia installer which seems to work fine. I've quoted the original
flawed XF86Config file and also the modified version that the nVidia
installer produced. Can anyone here tell me why it works?

   


Hmm the modelines are almost identical, your sure your desktop is at
1400x1050?
xdpyinfo | grep dimensions should confirm it. If it is then I am not
sure why the file dosent reflect that unless there is some sort of
auto-detection that happens first. 



Thanks again.
You're right - xdpyinfo returns 1280 x 1024.There's no virtual windowing 
going on though, and the fact remains that the only difference between 
those two config files is these entries in the useless one::


   Load  "GLcore"
   Load  "dri"

and

   Section "DRI"
   Mode0666
   EndSection


How odd. The X window must be getting stretched to fit the screen 
somehow. Hmm...




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Re: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86

[Angelina Carlton]

Doofus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> But now I'm even more confused. Ideally I'd like to understand why it
> suddenly works. Everything I've found on the net describes the great
> difficulty in configuring this laptop to run correctly at
> 1400x1050. Some X config files I've found (which didn't work) contain
> 1400x1050 modelines like yours above. However, I can't see any
> reference to that resolution in the now running config built by the
> nVidia installer which seems to work fine. I've quoted the original
> flawed XF86Config file and also the modified version that the nVidia
> installer produced. Can anyone here tell me why it works?
>
Hmm the modelines are almost identical, your sure your desktop is at
1400x1050?
xdpyinfo | grep dimensions should confirm it. If it is then I am not
sure why the file dosent reflect that unless there is some sort of
auto-detection that happens first. 

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Re: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86

[Doofus]

Angelina Carlton wrote:


Doofus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

 


xf86cfg prduces a sort of working config with a 640x480 display in the
middle of the screen, but no mouse. Can anyone describe any other
methods of fighting one's way toward a working config file?

   


ugh, the attachment I sent dosent have that resoulution but I did run
that when using XF86, the laptop now uses xorg and if your stuck I can
boot it up and send the current xorg.con whose mode line should work
with XF86

from the file I attached earlier, you could just add your resolution to
the mode line changing this:
Modes   "1280x1024" "800x600" "640x480"
to this:
Modes   "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "800x600" "640x480"



Thanks Angelina.

I've been busy trying stuff since my last post with some success, even 
if I don't understand why...


I just reinstalled sarge from scratch. This time I didn't configure a 
framebuffer text console (vga= 317).
I installed x-windows-core and configured to use the "nv" graphics 
driver, "/dev/gpmdata" mouse device and "IntelliMouse" protocal.
All was well except for the lack of a 1400x1050 screen resolution, so 
things were pretty much as before.


Next I installed the latest linux driver from the nVidia web site. The 
installer for this also configures your XF86Config-4 file and backs up 
the old one.

And bingo - I now have a full-screen apparently working setup.

But now I'm even more confused. Ideally I'd like to understand why it 
suddenly works. Everything I've found on the net describes the great 
difficulty in configuring this laptop to run correctly at 1400x1050. 
Some X config files I've found (which didn't work) contain 1400x1050 
modelines like yours above. However, I can't see any reference to that 
resolution in the now running config built by the nVidia installer which 
seems to work fine. I've quoted the original flawed XF86Config file and 
also the modified version that the nVidia installer produced. Can anyone 
here tell me why it works?





---
Working config built by nVidia installer
---

# nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig
# nvidia-xconfig:  version 1.0  ([EMAIL PROTECTED])  Wed Dec 14 
16:39:22 PST 2005


# XF86Config-4 (XFree86 X Window System server configuration file)
#
# This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
# values from the debconf database.
#
# Edit this file with caution, and see the XF86Config-4 manual page.
# (Type "man XF86Config-4" at the shell prompt.)
#
# This file is automatically updated on xserver-xfree86 package upgrades 
*only*

# if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xfree86
# package.
#
# If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
# again, run the following commands as root:
#
#   cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.custom
#   md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum
#   dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86

Section "ServerLayout"
   Identifier "Default Layout"
   Screen "Default Screen" 0 0
   InputDevice"Generic Keyboard"
   InputDevice"Configured Mouse"
EndSection

Section "Files"
   # local font server
   FontPath"unix/:7100"
   # if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these
   FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
   FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
   FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
   FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
   FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
   FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID"
   FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo"
   FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
   FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
EndSection

Section "Module"
   Load   "bitmap"
   Load   "dbe"
   Load   "ddc"
   Load   "extmod"
   Load   "freetype"
   Load   "glx"
   Load   "int10"
   Load   "record"
   Load   "speedo"
   Load   "type1"
   Load   "vbe"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
   Identifier "Generic Keyboard"
   Driver "keyboard"
   Option "CoreKeyboard"
   Option "XkbRules" "xfree86"
   Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
   Option "XkbLayout" "gb"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
   Identifier &q

Re: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86

[[KS]]

Angelina Carlton wrote:
> Doofus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> 
>>xf86cfg prduces a sort of working config with a 640x480 display in the
>>middle of the screen, but no mouse. Can anyone describe any other
>>methods of fighting one's way toward a working config file?
>>
> 
>  ugh, the attachment I sent dosent have that resoulution but I did run
>  that when using XF86, the laptop now uses xorg and if your stuck I can
>  boot it up and send the current xorg.con whose mode line should work
>  with XF86
> 
>  from the file I attached earlier, you could just add your resolution to
>  the mode line changing this:
>  Modes   "1280x1024" "800x600" "640x480"
>  to this:
>  Modes   "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "800x600" "640x480"
> 
>  

Hmmthis should have been generated when reconfiguring if correct
specs of the montior were given.

But still, you can use the relevant information from the old XF86 file.
That is why keeping a copy of the old config file before the new one
works is a good habit.

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Re: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86

[Angelina Carlton]

Doofus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> xf86cfg prduces a sort of working config with a 640x480 display in the
> middle of the screen, but no mouse. Can anyone describe any other
> methods of fighting one's way toward a working config file?
>
 ugh, the attachment I sent dosent have that resoulution but I did run
 that when using XF86, the laptop now uses xorg and if your stuck I can
 boot it up and send the current xorg.con whose mode line should work
 with XF86

 from the file I attached earlier, you could just add your resolution to
 the mode line changing this:
 Modes   "1280x1024" "800x600" "640x480"
 to this:
 Modes   "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "800x600" "640x480"

 
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Re: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86

[Angelina Carlton]

Doofus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


> Thanks for your reply, and I apologise for not reading the config file
> notes properly with regard to overwriting the file.
>
> I've looked at many web resources on this problem, and I don't know
> how I've missed your second link above. It looks excellent - I'll go
> and try setting things up again.

I have that laptop, attached is the old config file I was using, (using
xorg now) my screen was SXGA so you might want to tweak that part if you
have a different screen.
### BEGIN DEBCONF SECTION
# XF86Config-4 (XFree86 server configuration file) generated by dexconf, the
# Debian X Configuration tool, using values from the debconf database.
#
# Edit this file with caution, and see the XF86Config-4 manual page.
# (Type "man XF86Config-4" at the shell prompt.)
#
# If you want your changes to this file preserved by dexconf, only make changes
# before the "### BEGIN DEBCONF SECTION" line above, and/or after the
# "### END DEBCONF SECTION" line below.
#
# To change things within the debconf section, run the command:
#   dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
# as root.  Also see "How do I add custom sections to a dexconf-generated
# XF86Config or XF86Config-4 file?" in /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz.

Section "Files"
FontPath"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype"
FontPath"unix/:7100"# local font server
# if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load"xtt"
Load"GLcore"
Load"bitmap"
Load"dbe"
Load"ddc"
Load"dri"
Load"extmod"
Load"freetype"
Load"glx"
Load"int10"
Load"pex5"
    Load"record"
Load"speedo"
Load"type1"
Load"vbe"
Load"xie"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Generic Keyboard"
Driver  "keyboard"
Option  "CoreKeyboard"
Option  "XkbRules"  "xfree86"
Option  "XkbModel"  "pc104"
Option  "XkbLayout" "us"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Configured Mouse"
Driver  "mouse"
Option  "CorePointer"
Option  "Device""/dev/psaux"
Option  "Protocol"  "PS/2"
Option  "Emulate3Buttons"   "true"
Option  "ZAxisMapping"  "4 5"
Option  "Resolution""1600"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Generic Mouse"
Driver  "mouse"
Option  "SendCoreEvents""true"
Option  "Device""/dev/input/mice"
Option  "Protocol"  "ImPS/2"
Option  "Emulate3Buttons"   "true"
Option  "ZAxisMapping"  "4 5"
Option  "Resolution""1600"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier  "geforce4go"
Driver  "nvidia"
VideoRam65536
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier  "dell sxga"
HorizSync   30-60
VertRefresh 50-75
Option  "DPMS"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier  "Default Screen"
Device  "geforce4go"
Monitor "dell sxga"
DefaultDepth24
SubSection "Display"
Depth   1
Modes   "1280x1024"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
  

Re: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86

[Angelina Carlton]

Doofus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Thanks for your reply, and I apologise for not reading the config file
> notes properly with regard to overwriting the file.
>
> I've looked at many web resources on this problem, and I don't know
> how I've missed your second link above. It looks excellent - I'll go
> and try setting things up again.

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Re: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86

[Doofus]

kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:


Doofus wrote:

Can someone please tell me what `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86` 
actually does?


At the end of the procedure it talks about writing two new 
configuration files. Where are these files? I'd assumed it was 
talking about /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 but mine isn't changed in any way.


If you have previously edited /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 by hand then 
`dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86` will not overwrite the XF86Config 
file. In such a case, the instructions to make the file overwritable 
through dpkg-reconfigure are provided inside the file.


So just open the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and read the first few lines of 
comments.


The reason I ask is I'm having an absolute nightmare of a time trying 
to get a X windows working on my laptop - a Dell Inspiron 8200 with 
32MB nVidia GeForce2 Go graphics and a 1400x1050 pixel screen (which 
seems to be the real kicker).




Have you checked

http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/dell.html

and in particular

http://jpstrand.homeip.net/user/delli8200/delli8200.html

where they explain how to get X working under Dell Inspiron 8200.

regards
raju



Raju,

Thanks for your reply, and I apologise for not reading the config file 
notes properly with regard to overwriting the file.


I've looked at many web resources on this problem, and I don't know how 
I've missed your second link above. It looks excellent - I'll go and try 
setting things up again.




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Re: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86

[kamaraju kusumanchi]

Doofus wrote:

Can someone please tell me what `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86` 
actually does?


At the end of the procedure it talks about writing two new 
configuration files. Where are these files? I'd assumed it was talking 
about /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 but mine isn't changed in any way.


If you have previously edited /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 by hand then 
`dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86` will not overwrite the XF86Config 
file. In such a case, the instructions to make the file overwritable 
through dpkg-reconfigure are provided inside the file.


So just open the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and read the first few lines of 
comments.


The reason I ask is I'm having an absolute nightmare of a time trying 
to get a X windows working on my laptop - a Dell Inspiron 8200 with 
32MB nVidia GeForce2 Go graphics and a 1400x1050 pixel screen (which 
seems to be the real kicker).



Have you checked

http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/dell.html

and in particular

http://jpstrand.homeip.net/user/delli8200/delli8200.html

where they explain how to get X working under Dell Inspiron 8200.

regards
raju

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dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86

[Doofus]

Can someone please tell me what `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86` 
actually does?


At the end of the procedure it talks about writing two new configuration 
files. Where are these files? I'd assumed it was talking about 
/etc/X11/XF86Config-4 but mine isn't changed in any way.


The reason I ask is I'm having an absolute nightmare of a time trying to 
get a X windows working on my laptop - a Dell Inspiron 8200 with 32MB 
nVidia GeForce2 Go graphics and a 1400x1050 pixel screen (which seems to 
be the real kicker).


xf86cfg prduces a sort of working config with a 640x480 display in the 
middle of the screen, but no mouse. Can anyone describe any other 
methods of fighting one's way toward a working config file?


Many thanks.


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Re: Reconfiguring xserver-xfree86 Doesn't Work

[Ramiro Aceves]

> The instructions at the top of the config file say:
> #   cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.custom
> #   md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum
> #   dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
>
> I don't pretend to understand why but it seems that deleting the file is
> not enough.

You are right, it works.


>
> Regards
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Re: Reconfiguring xserver-xfree86 Doesn't Work

[Clive Menzies]

On (01/02/06 20:50), Thomas H. George wrote:
> I installed a new apg video card and ran dpkg-reconfigure 
> xserver-xfree86.  At first gdm exited with no display fournd.  I deleted 
> XF86Config-4 from /etc/X11 and tried again.  This time I got a display 
> but with only 640x480 resolution.  I deleted every XF86Config file in 
> the system and tried again.  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 still 
> remembered every entry I had previously made but no new XF86Config file 
> was written (I checked with updatedb and locate XF86Config - nothing) 
> and still I had a display with only 640x480 resolution.  Finally I 
> resorted the the old xf86config program.  This created a new XF86Config 
> file and a display which could switch between 1280x1024, 1024x768, 
> 800x600 and 640x480 resolutions.
> 
> The old xf86config program has solved my problem.
> 
> I post this message only because I would like to understand why 
> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 failed.
> 
> For the record the programs are pure Sarge (apt-get update and apt-get 
> dist-upgrade run this morning) but the kernel was compiled from 
> kernel-source-2.6.11_2.6.11 downloaded from testing last summer.

The instructions at the top of the config file say:
#   cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.custom
#   md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum
#   dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86

I don't pretend to understand why but it seems that deleting the file is
not enough.

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Re: Reconfiguring xserver-xfree86 Doesn't Work

[AbhiSawa]

Everything is in that XF86Config-4, create one with dpkg-reconfigure
and another with old xf86config . And run diff for both . You will get
a diffrence.

You could try one more command as a root

# XFree86 -configure

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Re: Reconfiguring xserver-xfree86 Doesn't Work

[Kumar Appaiah]

On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 08:50:48PM -0500, Thomas H. George wrote:
> I post this message only because I would like to understand why 
> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 failed.

Best thing would be to have a look into /var/log/XFree86.log. It lists
all the messages from XFree86, including the reason why it didn't
work, I guess...

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Reconfiguring xserver-xfree86 Doesn't Work

[Thomas H. George]

I installed a new apg video card and ran dpkg-reconfigure 
xserver-xfree86.  At first gdm exited with no display fournd.  I deleted 
XF86Config-4 from /etc/X11 and tried again.  This time I got a display 
but with only 640x480 resolution.  I deleted every XF86Config file in 
the system and tried again.  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 still 
remembered every entry I had previously made but no new XF86Config file 
was written (I checked with updatedb and locate XF86Config - nothing) 
and still I had a display with only 640x480 resolution.  Finally I 
resorted the the old xf86config program.  This created a new XF86Config 
file and a display which could switch between 1280x1024, 1024x768, 
800x600 and 640x480 resolutions.


The old xf86config program has solved my problem.

I post this message only because I would like to understand why 
dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 failed.


For the record the programs are pure Sarge (apt-get update and apt-get 
dist-upgrade run this morning) but the kernel was compiled from 
kernel-source-2.6.11_2.6.11 downloaded from testing last summer.


Tom George


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