Re: Correct way to configure network
On 26.11.2019 19:04, Sven Hartge wrote: Your first method is fine. Grüße, Sven. Thank you
Re: Correct way to configure network
Mimiko wrote: > On one answer in Internet I've found this mode to configure bonding: > auto bond0 > iface bond0 inet manual > down ip link set $IFACE down > post-down rmmod bonding > pre-up modprobe bonding mode=4 miimon=200 > up ip link set $IFACE up mtu 9000 > up udevadm trigger > allow-hotplug eth0 > iface eth0 inet manual > up ifenslave bond0 $IFACE > down ifenslave -d bond0 $IFACE 2> /dev/null > allow-hotplug eth1 > iface eth1 inet manual > up ifenslave bond0 $IFACE > down ifenslave -d bond0 $IFACE 2> /dev/null That was the Ubuntu-way of doing things. This is not necessary in Debian. Your first method is fine. Grüße, Sven. -- Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.
Re: Correct way to configure network
Mimiko wrote: > On 26.11.2019 16:10, Dan Ritter wrote: > > For a system which is expected to work immediately at boot, you > > want auto. > > > > For a system which doesn't have anything particularly weird > > going on, you want to use the integrations. > > Thank you. > > It is a server on which network adapters are onboard or PCI and cables are > not expected to disconnect. So in this case the currently used config is the > best? Yes, that's good. -dsr-
Re: Correct way to configure network
On 26.11.2019 16:10, Dan Ritter wrote: For a system which is expected to work immediately at boot, you want auto. For a system which doesn't have anything particularly weird going on, you want to use the integrations. Thank you. It is a server on which network adapters are onboard or PCI and cables are not expected to disconnect. So in this case the currently used config is the best?
Re: Correct way to configure network
Mimiko wrote: > Hello. > > This is a snippet of my interfaces config file: > > auto eth0 > iface eth0 inet manual > > auto eth1 > iface eth1 inet manual > > auto bond0 > iface bond0 inet manual > bond-slaves eth0 eth1 > bond-mode 802.3ad > bond-miimon 100 > bond-downdelay 200 > bond-updelay 200 > > auto vlan10 > iface vlan10 inet static > vlan-raw-device bond0 > address A.B.C.D > netmask X.X.X.X > > > > On one answer in Internet I've found this mode to configure bonding: > > auto bond0 > iface bond0 inet manual > down ip link set $IFACE down > post-down rmmod bonding > pre-up modprobe bonding mode=4 miimon=200 > up ip link set $IFACE up mtu 9000 > up udevadm trigger > > allow-hotplug eth0 > iface eth0 inet manual > up ifenslave bond0 $IFACE > down ifenslave -d bond0 $IFACE 2> /dev/null > > allow-hotplug eth1 > iface eth1 inet manual > up ifenslave bond0 $IFACE > down ifenslave -d bond0 $IFACE 2> /dev/null > > > My question is, what is a better method of configuring bonding? Whats a core > difference in the two types of configuration listed? The first method: - uses auto instead of allow-hotplug. Auto tries to bring up the interface at boot time. Preferred for PCI/PCIe and on-motherboard devices. - uses integrations into /etc/network/interfaces The second method: - uses allow-hotplug. This method waits for kernel to generate hotplug events. Preferred for USB interfaces and anything that you are likely to yank and reinsert while powered up. - doesn't use the integration features For a system which is expected to work immediately at boot, you want auto. For a system which doesn't have anything particularly weird going on, you want to use the integrations. -dsr-
Correct way to configure network
Hello. This is a snippet of my interfaces config file: auto eth0 iface eth0 inet manual auto eth1 iface eth1 inet manual auto bond0 iface bond0 inet manual bond-slaves eth0 eth1 bond-mode 802.3ad bond-miimon 100 bond-downdelay 200 bond-updelay 200 auto vlan10 iface vlan10 inet static vlan-raw-device bond0 address A.B.C.D netmask X.X.X.X On one answer in Internet I've found this mode to configure bonding: auto bond0 iface bond0 inet manual down ip link set $IFACE down post-down rmmod bonding pre-up modprobe bonding mode=4 miimon=200 up ip link set $IFACE up mtu 9000 up udevadm trigger allow-hotplug eth0 iface eth0 inet manual up ifenslave bond0 $IFACE down ifenslave -d bond0 $IFACE 2> /dev/null allow-hotplug eth1 iface eth1 inet manual up ifenslave bond0 $IFACE down ifenslave -d bond0 $IFACE 2> /dev/null My question is, what is a better method of configuring bonding? Whats a core difference in the two types of configuration listed? Thank you.
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On 07/06/14 03:38, Horatio Leragon wrote: *From:* Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz Are they really awesome? What do they do? What were the questions? I believe you are new to this mailing list. I've been told and even scolded umpteen times by some so-called Debian experts here that I've to first find out the answers myself using search tools, the almighty Debian Reference Manual, etc, etc, etc. So I'm repeating what I've been brainwashed: please find out yourself what the above command does. I'm not new to the list. I spent some time figuring out what they do, so I think I have a pretty good idea what they do. I was interested to know whether _you_ knew the answer. The second has some significant pitfalls imho, though that depends on the question. I can tell you what the original question was as I was the one who asked. It was: how to remove old kernels and their corresponding entries in the Grub2 bootloader menu from my computer? (I only wanted to keep the latest upgraded kernel) Right, that's a reasonable request. The answer, though, is not strictly what you asked for: it also removes the kernel image metapackages, so your kernel will not get new kernels when you do an apt-get upgrade. Also, I'd recommend keeping the last good kernel as well. So while it's a useful answer, I wouldn't say it's an awesome answer. It is much more useful if you're able to evaluate it and figure out what it really does before you go ahead. Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5392ce35.3030...@walnut.gen.nz
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
Yes, you're Jerry alright, imposting as a Jap? LOL From: Bzzz lazyvi...@gmx.com To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2014 12:48 AM Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? On Fri, 6 Jun 2014 09:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Horatio Leragon hlera...@yahoo.com wrote: Oh Jerry Stuckup, that's so sly of you. You're now hiding behind a new email address. I'm not Jerry, just a spectator checking that Murphy's law applied to mailing-lists is true: in each mailing-list you mind, one major dumb ass you'll find. AND PLEASE CONFIGURE CORRECTLY YOUR FRIGGING MUA! -- Meor: How do you say pig in japanese? Sleeping_God: Dish N°7. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140606184850.4e4ecdca@anubis.defcon1
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
No, it's in Hollandais, as in Francois Hollande. From: Curt cu...@free.fr To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2014 12:59 AM Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? On 2014-06-06, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 06/06/2014 12:17 PM, Bzzz wrote: On Fri, 6 Jun 2014 09:08:58 -0700 (PDT) Horatio Leragon hlera...@yahoo.com wrote: I do have an IQ of 45. This explains a lot… Which IQ scale is this score on? I think it's in Celsius (in Fahrenheit that would be about 113). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnlp3spf.22m.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
You dirty old man, where are the expletives? I miss them you know. You have been working behind the scenes, haven't you? From: Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2014 1:37 AM Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? On 4/06/2014 11:15 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: Yes, it is in my nature to call a spade a spade. And you have already shown you have little background in Linux, as this post once again shows. Yet you refuse to even attempt to learn the basic knowledge you need to even understand how to use Linux. Instead, you go searching forums and mailing lists, expecting people to hand-feed you. It's not a judgement, and it's not stereotyping. It is what you have shown you are by your words. The fact you don't like it means nothing to me. I only care about those willing to take responsibility for their actions and knowledge. Amen brother, you picked this jerk well. Wonder if we can discourage him enough to choose another community to bring down, or better still to have him go offline completely! A. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5391fc49.80...@affinityvision.com.au
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
Ah, you've finally decided to show your true colors?
You dirty old man! Jerk!
From: Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au
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enable internet access)?
On 6/06/2014 8:39 PM, Tom H wrote:
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 5:52 AM, Horatio Leragon hlera...@yahoo.com wrote:
dpkg --list 'linux-image-*' \
| perl -ane 'BEGIN { $r = `uname -r` or die; chomp $r } print $F[1],
\n if $F[0] eq ii $F[1] !~ /\Q$r\E\b/' \
| xargs -r aptitude purge -y
This script'll remove linux-image-generic and the kernel will no
longer be upgraded automatically.
And if your box has Secure Boot (even disabled), the corresponding
linux-signed-* packages will be installed and won't be purged.
That sure sounds like it would be doing us all a great service!
A.
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Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
Poor Jerry Stuckup! I caught you lying again. Your social media friends can vouch you are a lonely divorcee who drowns his misery in booze. From: Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2014 2:06 AM Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? On 6/6/2014 12:03 PM, Horatio Leragon wrote: *From:* Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net *To:* Horatio Leragon hlera...@yahoo.com *Sent:* Friday, June 6, 2014 10:35 PM *Subject:* Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? It's clear to anyone with half a brain. To those, the examples are quite good. But then Debian is made for people with half a brain - not trolls and idiots. Lemme psycho-analyze you: you're a miserable, lonely man full of bitterness and angry with the world. Your wife has divorced you and has custody of your children (if you have any to begin with) and you're a loser with women because you suck at relationship-building. That's why you spend almost your entire waking hours on a keyboard behind a computer monitor. Besides your computer, the only other companion you have is your beer. It's not hard to guess you're a pot-bellied, bald headed fatso. ROFLMAO! I guess you'd be talking about your own life - if you could have found a woman who would marry you. And no, you're wrong. I am happily married, and have been for a number of years. I spend my time on the computer because that's my job. But you wouldn't understand the term job. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53920311.3030...@attglobal.net
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
You're a troll, Jerry Stuckup. Admit it. And you lied when you said you're happily married. Your social media friends say otherwise. Troll..Troll From: Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2014 2:12 AM Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? On 6/6/2014 12:14 PM, Horatio Leragon wrote: *From:* Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net *To:* debian-user@lists.debian.org *Sent:* Friday, June 6, 2014 10:42 PM *Subject:* Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? And you once again show you refuse to learn - even when quoting the correct spelling. How many times must I tell you that I'm dyslexic? Have you ever heard of a spell checker? I didn't think so. How about a dictionary? Whether you are dyslexic or not is immaterial. The fact you refuse to learn and expect the world to hand feed you is. The pot calling the kettle black. You refuse to accept people for what they are. You want to mold them in your own conceited image. No, I just call trolls what they are. I already have. And I've figured out that what people like you think of me is immaterial. And do you think that your opinion of me matters to me? Do you think I care? It's obvious you haven't done enuf self-instropection. Or your wife wouldn't have left for another man, taking your kids along with her :-) ROFLMAO! The personal attacks continue. But you're wrong here, also. I am happily married. It's obvious you suck at relationship-building and your only companions are your computer and beer. I am excellent at relationship building, as shown by the successful businesses I've had (and continue to have). Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/539204a5.8030...@attglobal.net
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
You're speaking for yourself, troll. From: Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2014 2:14 AM Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? On 6/6/2014 1:37 PM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: On 4/06/2014 11:15 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: Yes, it is in my nature to call a spade a spade. And you have already shown you have little background in Linux, as this post once again shows. Yet you refuse to even attempt to learn the basic knowledge you need to even understand how to use Linux. Instead, you go searching forums and mailing lists, expecting people to hand-feed you. It's not a judgement, and it's not stereotyping. It is what you have shown you are by your words. The fact you don't like it means nothing to me. I only care about those willing to take responsibility for their actions and knowledge. Amen brother, you picked this jerk well. Wonder if we can discourage him enough to choose another community to bring down, or better still to have him go offline completely! A. I doubt it, Andrew. Trolls like him don't go away easily. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53920518.5000...@attglobal.net
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
This mailing list is not your personal property, Jerry Stuckup. You think you're God's gift to Debian? Bah! Pui From: Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2014 2:08 AM Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? On 6/6/2014 12:08 PM, Horatio Leragon wrote: *From:* Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net *To:* debian-user@lists.debian.org *Sent:* Friday, June 6, 2014 10:39 PM *Subject:* Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? Nope, but then I'm not the one asking for help here. Oh, you Schadenfreude, you creep. Do you think for a split second that I would be helpless if I did not receive help here? Yes, because you've been kicked out of every other place you've trolled. Not at all. Just calling you for what you are. And once again, the spelling is JUDGMENTAL. But once again you prove you refuse to learn. You see, you're judgemental again. I suppose it's your character flaw. Your claim of having an IQ of 45 is an insult to those who really DO have an IQ of 45. I do have an IQ of 45. Are you accusing me of lying, you creep? No, I'm just saying you insult those who REALLY have an IQ of 45. That's not how Debian works. Are you now the official spokesman for Debian, Stuckup? Ah, yes. The third grade mentality shows up again. No, there is no official spokesman. But I've been using Debian and on this list a LOT longer than you have. This is not your personal help source for things you're too lazy to look up - or attempt to learn on your own. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/539203ad.2010...@attglobal.net
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
Yeah, Andrew McGlasgow.. I'm expecting more expletives from you, you dirty old man! From: Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2014 2:45 AM Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? On 7/06/2014 4:14 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I doubt it, Andrew. Trolls like him don't go away easily. Unfortunately I am pretty sure you are right Jerry, but I am amazed that people are still /trying/ to help him even after he has shown horrible form and he has pissed off so many of us. But enough from me on this topic, unless he again manages to bring out the worst in me (and I somehow cannot ignore it). A. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53920c30.1040...@affinityvision.com.au
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On 7/06/2014 9:14 PM, Horatio Leragon wrote: You dirty old man, where are the expletives? I miss them you know. You have been working behind the scenes, haven't you? No, you reap your own /rewards/ I'm just glad that others can see through you as well. It will only be natural with your responses that less and less people will take any notice of your posts... it is your doing, not anything to do with me whatsoever so don't kid yourself any further/ And DO NOT expect ANY further responses from me, you don't deserve them. Oh and it is very rare for me to use expletives, I save them for the /special/ people that really do deserve them. A. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5392faf3.5010...@affinityvision.com.au
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
What do you call people who chronically spews/utters expletives and obscenities? Yeah, it's called an Andrew. From: Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2014 2:57 AM Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? On 7/06/2014 4:45 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2014-06-06 at 03:09 -0700, Horatio Leragon wrote: Did you know that I'm dyslexic? And there are many categories of dyslexia? I suffer from dyslexia too, but I'm highly gifted and I guess your IQ is also higher than 45. Learning by doing, to understand --help and man pages is great when reading is an issue. What is it like to have dyslexia? Animations Illustrations https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwZLFTW4OGY I am sure that there are different levels of dyslexia, the same as there are different levels of other conditions. The extremes in that youtube video would be very hard to deal with; but given what we've seen, dyslexia is not his greatest problem -- rather it might be his greatest excuse. A. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53920f2c.2010...@affinityvision.com.au
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
Why should I apologize when it's clearly Jerry Stuckup's fault? From: Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2014 3:24 AM Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? On Fri, 2014-06-06 at 15:04 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 6/6/2014 2:59 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Please Jerry and Horatio stopp this flame war. And especially you Horatio, consider if the above words from you are appropriate. IMO this goes much too far. :( Ralf, You're right. This guy is hopeless - even worse than most trolls. Hopefully others will ignore him as I plan to do. Jerry If Horatio should apologize to you, I'm willing to help him at the off-topic mailing list. If he shouldn't apologize to you, I will ignore him. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402082644.799.27.camel@archlinux
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On Sat, 2014-06-07 at 21:43 +1000, Andrew McGlashan wrote: [snip] Andrew do _not_ reply to Horatio yet. Only consider to reply, assumed he should apologized to the list and especially to Jerry! TIA, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402141726.4950.25.camel@archlinux
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
Go ahead Lisi Threats are for cowards made by cowards. From: Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2014 5:39 AM Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? On Friday 06 June 2014 19:57:48 Andrew McGlashan wrote: but given what we've seen, dyslexia is not his greatest problem I believe neither that he has dyslexia nor that his IQ is 45. But why on earth is anyone still bothering with him? Let's all kill-file him and get on with our lives. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201406062239.08971.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
No, no. Jerry the Stuckup. I enjoy discussing your character shortcomings very much. As I said in one of my earlier posts, you make for a very good medical case for students of psychiatry and clinical psychology. From: Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2014 3:04 AM Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? On 6/6/2014 2:59 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2014-06-06 at 09:03 -0700, Horatio Leragon wrote: __ From: Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net To: Horatio Leragon hlera...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 10:35 PM Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? It's clear to anyone with half a brain. To those, the examples are quite good. But then Debian is made for people with half a brain - not trolls and idiots. Lemme psycho-analyze you: you're a miserable, lonely man full of bitterness and angry with the world. Your wife has divorced you and has custody of your children (if you have any to begin with) and you're a loser with women because you suck at relationship-building. That's why you spend almost your entire waking hours on a keyboard behind a computer monitor. Besides your computer, the only other companion you have is your beer. It's not hard to guess you're a pot-bellied, bald headed fatso. Please Jerry and Horatio stopp this flame war. And especially you Horatio, consider if the above words from you are appropriate. IMO this goes much too far. :( Ralf, You're right. This guy is hopeless - even worse than most trolls. Hopefully others will ignore him as I plan to do. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/539210a7.5060...@attglobal.net
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
From: Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2014 4:32 PM Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? The answer, though, is not strictly what you asked for: it also removes the kernel image metapackages, so your kernel will not get new kernels when you do an apt-get upgrade. No offence, Richard but you're wrong this time. I suggest you try that command on a test machine before giving your answer as stated above. I have tried it at least 7 times in the past two weeks (and why? because I'm learning how to use Debian. When I get meet a roadblock and no immediate help is at hand, even after googling for answers, I reformat my machine and start anew.) Also, I'd recommend keeping the last good kernel as well. Thanks for the recommendation, but if and when I meet obstacles and can't solve them, I just have to reformat my machine and start afresh. It is much more useful if you're able to evaluate it and figure out what it really does before you go ahead. In case you didn't already know, I've little knowledge of Debian. By the time I finish reading and understand the concepts of bash scripting, it may be two years from now. What do you recommend that I do during these two years?
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
Don't give excuses, you dirty old man. You can't help yourself. It's in your nature and mouthing expletives is hereditary. Are your children similarly afflicted? From: Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au To: Horatio Leragon hlera...@yahoo.com; debian-user@lists.debian.org debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2014 7:43 PM Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? On 7/06/2014 9:14 PM, Horatio Leragon wrote: You dirty old man, where are the expletives? I miss them you know. You have been working behind the scenes, haven't you? No, you reap your own /rewards/ I'm just glad that others can see through you as well. It will only be natural with your responses that less and less people will take any notice of your posts... it is your doing, not anything to do with me whatsoever so don't kid yourself any further/ And DO NOT expect ANY further responses from me, you don't deserve them. Oh and it is very rare for me to use expletives, I save them for the /special/ people that really do deserve them. A.
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
Dream on Ralf. Dream on. From: Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2014 7:48 PM Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? On Sat, 2014-06-07 at 21:43 +1000, Andrew McGlashan wrote: [snip] Andrew do _not_ reply to Horatio yet. Only consider to reply, assumed he should apologized to the list and especially to Jerry! TIA, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402141726.4950.25.camel@archlinux
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On 07/06/14 23:59, Horatio Leragon wrote:
*From:* Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz
*To:* debian-user@lists.debian.org
*Sent:* Saturday, June 7, 2014 4:32 PM
*Subject:* Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter
(ie. enable internet access)?
The answer, though, is not strictly what you asked for: it also
removes the kernel image metapackages, so your kernel will not get new
kernels when you do an apt-get upgrade.
No offence, Richard but you're wrong this time.
I suggest you try that command on a test machine before giving your
answer as stated above.
root@test:/home/richard# aptitude search linux-image~i
i A linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 - Linux 3.2 for 64-bit PCs
i linux-image-amd64 - Linux for 64-bit PCs
(meta-package)
root@test:/home/richard# dpkg --list 'linux-image-*' \
| perl -ane 'BEGIN { $r = `uname -r` or die; chomp $r } print
$F[1], \n if $F[0] eq ii $F[1] !~ /\Q$r\E\b/' \
| xargs -r aptitude purge -y
The following packages will be REMOVED:
linux-image-amd64{p}
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 5,120 B will be freed.
(Reading database ... 52129 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing linux-image-amd64 ...
root@test:/home/richard#
There you are. There were no other kernel packages installed in this
case; I tend to keep my machines clear of old junk if I can.
The only package removed, then, was linux-image-amd64, the meta-package
that depends on the current linux-image package.
I have tried it at least 7 times in the past two
weeks (and why? because I'm learning how to use Debian. When I get meet
a roadblock and no immediate help is at hand, even after googling for
answers, I reformat my machine and start anew.)
Also, I'd recommend keeping the last good kernel as well.
Thanks for the recommendation, but if and when I meet obstacles and
can't solve them, I just have to reformat my machine and start afresh.
Fair enough - if you're working on a test machine, that's fine. If it's
a machine you rely on for your day-to-day work, it's a bit different.
Also, I probably should have mentioned that once you've used the new
kernel for a while, then yes you're probably safe to get rid of the old
one, as I had done above (but then also that was a test machine).
It is much more useful if you're able to evaluate it and figure out
what it really does before you go ahead.
In case you didn't already know, I've little knowledge of Debian. By the
time I finish reading and understand the concepts of bash scripting, it
may be two years from now.
What do you recommend that I do during these two years?
You intend to finish? I don't - there's always more to learn. I've been
using Debian for maybe 13 years, and GNU/Linux for longer than that, and
still have plenty to learn about bash scripting and many other things.
Just keep using Debian, experimenting, reading the documentation,
searching the web and asking (polite) questions when needed. Ignore
other people's bad attitudes (but not necessarily what they're saying)
if you can. Remember that how expert or knowledgeable someone is is not
at all related to how polite they are. Do your best to understand what
the answers are saying - they may be wrong, they may be out of date, or
they may be answering a different question to the one you thought you'd
asked (which doesn't necessarily make them useless).
Richard
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Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
From: Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2014 1:59 PM Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? I read that as being sarcastic (and nicely done too) since the Debian Reference *does* tell us things like this, documents it very well, and it *is* available on the internet. For computer geeks, yes. But for ordinary folks like me who have not background in computer science or IT, it does NOT provide sufficient examples.
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
From: Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2014 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie.
enable internet access)?
Regardless I applaud people who write documentation in any form and through
it try to help other people out. That spirit of helping
others is awesome.
I totally agree with you.
However that spirit of trying to help people out is quite lacking here, on this
mailing list. I don't wish to call out their names.
AskUbuntu.com is a totally awesome site where volunteers who are experts in
their own fields answer questions without asking ordinatry folks like me to
read man pages or reference guides even after I have told them I do not
know how to apply the syntax of the options of various commands.
An example of an awesome answer that I got from an awesome expert on that
awesome AskUbuntu.com is the following:
apt-cache search java | awk '{print($1)}' | grep -E -e
'^(ia32-)?(sun|oracle)-java' -e '^openjdk-' -e '^icedtea' -e
'^(default|gcj)-j(re|dk)' -e '^gcj-(.*)-j(re|dk)' -e 'java-common' | xargs sudo
apt-get -y remove
Yet another example of an awesome answer:
dpkg --list 'linux-image-*' \
| perl -ane 'BEGIN { $r = `uname -r` or die; chomp $r } print $F[1], \n
if $F[0] eq ii $F[1] !~ /\Q$r\E\b/' \
| xargs -r aptitude purge -y
I bet that no one here is willing to give that kind of awesome answers,
assuming that they know. The so-called experts here will tell me to first read
the official Debian Reference manual, man pages and maybe a book on bash
scripting for the uninitiated.
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
From: Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2014 10:10 PM Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? Ah, yes - that third grade name calling again. And you can't even spell judgmental. See what I mean? You're being judgemental. Did you know that I'm dyslexic? And there are many categories of dyslexia? No, I'm not full of hate and mistrust. Go and do some self-introspection.
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
From: Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2014 10:09 PM Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? Anyone who quotes a blog entry over six years old has no reason to question when someone knowledgeable tells him otherwise. You're so full of yourself. You're not the only one knowledgeable on this list. But I'm also not your unpaid consultant/tutor because you are too lazy (or, as I'm beginning to think, too stoopid) to take responsibility for your own learning. You're being judgemental again and quick to stereotype people. That's a serious defect of character. Yes, I do admit I'm stupid. I've had my IQ tested and it's only 45 :( At school, I almost always came in last. Heck, I tried many times to gain admission to college and failed. But lazy I'm not.
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 5:52 AM, Horatio Leragon hlera...@yahoo.com wrote:
dpkg --list 'linux-image-*' \
| perl -ane 'BEGIN { $r = `uname -r` or die; chomp $r } print $F[1],
\n if $F[0] eq ii $F[1] !~ /\Q$r\E\b/' \
| xargs -r aptitude purge -y
This script'll remove linux-image-generic and the kernel will no
longer be upgraded automatically.
And if your box has Secure Boot (even disabled), the corresponding
linux-signed-* packages will be installed and won't be purged.
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Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On 06/06/14 21:52, Horatio Leragon wrote:
An example of an awesome answer that I got from an awesome expert on
that awesome AskUbuntu.com is the following:
apt-cache search java | awk '{print($1)}' | grep -E -e
'^(ia32-)?(sun|oracle)-java' -e '^openjdk-' -e '^icedtea' -e
'^(default|gcj)-j(re|dk)' -e '^gcj-(.*)-j(re|dk)' -e 'java-common' |
xargs sudo apt-get -y remove
Yet another example of an awesome answer:
dpkg --list 'linux-image-*' \
| perl -ane 'BEGIN { $r = `uname -r` or die; chomp $r } print $F[1],
\n if $F[0] eq ii $F[1] !~ /\Q$r\E\b/' \
| xargs -r aptitude purge -y
Are they really awesome? What do they do? What were the questions?
The second has some significant pitfalls imho, though that depends on
the question.
Richard
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On 06/06/2014 05:52 AM, Horatio Leragon wrote:
AskUbuntu.com is a totally awesome site where volunteers who are
experts in their own fields answer questions without asking ordinatry
folks like me to read man pages or reference guides even after I
have told them I do not know how to apply the syntax of the options
of various commands.
An example of an awesome answer that I got from an awesome expert on
that awesome AskUbuntu.com is the following:
apt-cache search java | awk '{print($1)}' | grep -E -e
'^(ia32-)?(sun|oracle)-java' -e '^openjdk-' -e '^icedtea' -e
'^(default|gcj)-j(re|dk)' -e '^gcj-(.*)-j(re|dk)' -e 'java-common' | xargs
sudo apt-get -y remove
Yet another example of an awesome answer:
dpkg --list 'linux-image-*' \
| perl -ane 'BEGIN { $r = `uname -r` or die; chomp $r } print $F[1], \n
if $F[0] eq ii $F[1] !~ /\Q$r\E\b/' \
| xargs -r aptitude purge -y
I bet that no one here is willing to give that kind of awesome
answers, assuming that they know. The so-called experts here will
tell me to first read the official Debian Reference manual, man
pages and maybe a book on bash scripting for the uninitiated.
I would not consider those awesome answers.
They don't explain anything; they may let you get something done, but
they don't help you understand what you're doing, why you're doing it,
or why doing it that way works when doing it a different way wouldn't.
They may be enough for what you went looking for, but the larger goal of
any question should be to *learn* - if only so that you don't need to
ask a similar question later on, for a similar but not identical task -
rather than just to accomplish whatever task is currently at hand.
Answers like that don't help you learn.
(Unless you already know enough about the commands being used that you
can parse out the individual components and figure out what they do...
in which case you might well not have needed to ask the question in the
first place.)
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Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On 6/6/2014 6:07 AM, Horatio Leragon wrote: *From:* Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net *To:* debian-user@lists.debian.org *Sent:* Thursday, June 5, 2014 10:09 PM *Subject:* Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? Anyone who quotes a blog entry over six years old has no reason to question when someone knowledgeable tells him otherwise. You're so full of yourself. You're not the only one knowledgeable on this list. Nope, but then I'm not the one asking for help here. But I'm also not your unpaid consultant/tutor because you are too lazy (or, as I'm beginning to think, too stoopid) to take responsibility for your own learning. You're being judgemental again and quick to stereotype people. That's a serious defect of character. Not at all. Just calling you for what you are. And once again, the spelling is JUDGMENTAL. But once again you prove you refuse to learn. Yes, I do admit I'm stupid. I've had my IQ tested and it's only 45 :( At school, I almost always came in last. Heck, I tried many times to gain admission to college and failed. Your claim of having an IQ of 45 is an insult to those who really DO have an IQ of 45. But lazy I'm not. No, you just want people to give you answers to questions so you don't have to learn something. That's not how Debian works. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5391d2a3.8090...@attglobal.net
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On 6/6/2014 6:09 AM, Horatio Leragon wrote: *From:* Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net *To:* debian-user@lists.debian.org *Sent:* Thursday, June 5, 2014 10:10 PM *Subject:* Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? Ah, yes - that third grade name calling again. And you can't even spell judgmental. See what I mean? You're being judgemental. And you once again show you refuse to learn - even when quoting the correct spelling. Did you know that I'm dyslexic? And there are many categories of dyslexia? Whether you are dyslexic or not is immaterial. The fact you refuse to learn and expect the world to hand feed you is. No, I'm not full of hate and mistrust. Go and do some self-introspection. I already have. And I've figured out that what people like you think of me is immaterial. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5391d35f.6010...@attglobal.net
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
From: Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com
To: Debian User debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie.
enable internet access)?
This script'll remove linux-image-generic and the kernel will no longer be
upgraded automatically.
What do you mean by kernel will no longer be upgraded automatically? What's
your definition of automatically?
Just today, I upgraded my kernel to the latest offered by Debian.
And if your box has Secure Boot (even disabled), the corresponding
linux-signed-* packages will be installed and won't be purged.
I don't understand what you meant by the corresponding linux-signed-* packages
will be installed and won't be purged? (After I run that command, I type $sudo
apt-get autoremove and $aptitude search '~c' and $sudo aptitude purge '~c' In
my case, I manage to remove about 180MB of unwanted software.)
Can you provide a command for me to try out your assumption?
I have tried the command
dpkg --list 'linux-image-*' \
| perl -ane 'BEGIN { $r = `uname -r` or die; chomp $r } print $F[1], \n
if $F[0] eq ii $F[1] !~ /\Q$r\E\b/' \
| xargs -r aptitude purge -y
without problems and it was posted on a very popular forum frequented by Linux
experts in the world wide web. If Linux experts had issues with it, they would
have highlighted it several moons ago.
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
From: Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 7:36 PM Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? Are they really awesome? What do they do? What were the questions? I believe you are new to this mailing list. I've been told and even scolded umpteen times by some so-called Debian experts here that I've to first find out the answers myself using search tools, the almighty Debian Reference Manual, etc, etc, etc. So I'm repeating what I've been brainwashed: please find out yourself what the above command does. The second has some significant pitfalls imho, though that depends on the question. I can tell you what the original question was as I was the one who asked. It was: how to remove old kernels and their corresponding entries in the Grub2 bootloader menu from my computer? (I only wanted to keep the latest upgraded kernel)
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
From: The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie.
enable internet access)?
I would not consider those awesome answers.
Envy and jealousy is bad for health --I mean mental health.
From the time I asked questions till now, I have yet to see your awesome
answers.
They don't explain anything; they may let you get something done, but they
don't help you understand what you're doing, why you're doing it, or why
doing it that way works when doing it a different way wouldn't.
Do you think that I have learned things here? Zilch!
All that I've heard on this list is a lot of preachy stuff.
Answers like that don't help you learn.
Oh yeah? You think you're better than the Linux experts who gave me the answer?
Tell you what. If you can explain in detail what the following commands do, I
may, in future, pay more attention to what you have to say. (Talk is cheap.)
apt-cache search java | awk '{print($1)}' | grep -E -e
'^(ia32-)?(sun|oracle)-java' -e '^openjdk-' -e '^icedtea' -e
'^(default|gcj)-j(re|dk)' -e '^gcj-(.*)-j(re|dk)' -e 'java-common' | xargs sudo
apt-get -y remove
(Explain to me in detail what the above command does. Prove that besides being
a good pontificator, you are equally good at helping stupid people like me
learn.)
dpkg --list 'linux-image-*' \
| perl -ane 'BEGIN { $r = `uname -r` or die; chomp $r } print $F[1], \n
if $F[0] eq ii $F[1] !~ /\Q$r\E\b/' \
| xargs -r aptitude purge -y
(Explain to me in detail what the above command does. Prove that besides
being a good pontificator, you are equally good at helping stupid
people like me learn.)
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
From: Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net To: Horatio Leragon hlera...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 10:35 PM Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? It's clear to anyone with half a brain. To those, the examples are quite good. But then Debian is made for people with half a brain - not trolls and idiots. Lemme psycho-analyze you: you're a miserable, lonely man full of bitterness and angry with the world. Your wife has divorced you and has custody of your children (if you have any to begin with) and you're a loser with women because you suck at relationship-building. That's why you spend almost your entire waking hours on a keyboard behind a computer monitor. Besides your computer, the only other companion you have is your beer. It's not hard to guess you're a pot-bellied, bald headed fatso.
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
From: Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 10:39 PM Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? Nope, but then I'm not the one asking for help here. Oh, you Schadenfreude, you creep. Do you think for a split second that I would be helpless if I did not receive help here? Not at all. Just calling you for what you are. And once again, the spelling is JUDGMENTAL. But once again you prove you refuse to learn. You see, you're judgemental again. I suppose it's your character flaw. Your claim of having an IQ of 45 is an insult to those who really DO have an IQ of 45. I do have an IQ of 45. Are you accusing me of lying, you creep? That's not how Debian works. Are you now the official spokesman for Debian, Stuckup?
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
From: Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 10:42 PM Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? And you once again show you refuse to learn - even when quoting the correct spelling. How many times must I tell you that I'm dyslexic? Whether you are dyslexic or not is immaterial. The fact you refuse to learn and expect the world to hand feed you is. The pot calling the kettle black. You refuse to accept people for what they are. You want to mold them in your own conceited image. I already have. And I've figured out that what people like you think of me is immaterial. And do you think that your opinion of me matters to me? It's obvious you haven't done enuf self-instropection. Or your wife wouldn't have left for another man, taking your kids along with her :-) It's obvious you suck at relationship-building and your only companions are your computer and beer.
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On Fri, 6 Jun 2014 09:08:58 -0700 (PDT) Horatio Leragon hlera...@yahoo.com wrote: I do have an IQ of 45. This explains a lot… -- Rotten wood cannot be carved. -- Confucius, Analects, Book 5, Ch. 9 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140606181705.75244436@anubis.defcon1
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(Is there a reason why your mail has a Reply-To header with your own
address in it? That would tend to take the discussion off-list, which
while not necessarily inappropriate given the extent to which this is
becoming less on-topic, is not something I would have expected you to
want.)
On 06/06/2014 11:56 AM, Horatio Leragon wrote:
[that on 2014-06-06 at 21:19, The Wanderer wrote:]
I would not consider those awesome answers.
Envy and jealousy is bad for health --I mean mental health.
Ad hominem attacks, especially ones without visible basis, are bad
argument and do not make for good discussion. (Or good neighbors.)
From the time I asked questions till now, I have yet to see your
awesome answers.
That's odd, considering you've thanked me multiple times for providing
detailed explanations for things.
Regardless, I'm not claiming to have provided awesome answers. I'm
saying that the answers you described as awesome, which you received
elsewhere, are not ones to which I would apply that term.
They don't explain anything; they may let you get something done,
but they don't help you understand what you're doing, why you're
doing it, or why doing it that way works when doing it a
different way wouldn't.
Do you think that I have learned things here? Zilch!
All that I've heard on this list is a lot of preachy stuff.
I think that says more about you than it does about the answers you've
received here.
Answers like that don't help you learn.
Oh yeah? You think you're better than the Linux experts who gave me
the answer?
Not necessarily; I don't know them, or who they are, or what they know.
Tell you what. If you can explain in detail what the following
commands do, I may, in future, pay more attention to what you have to
say. (Talk is cheap.)
apt-cache search java | awk '{print($1)}' | grep -E -e
'^(ia32-)?(sun|oracle)-java' -e
'^openjdk-' -e '^icedtea' -e '^(default|gcj)-j(re|dk)' -e
'^gcj-(.*)-j(re|dk)' -e 'java-common' | xargs sudo apt-get -y remove
You've appeared to pay attention to what I had to say in the past...
And yes, I could explain in detail what each component of both of those
commands does - although I wouldn't be sure you'd understand the
explanation, since I don't know what you already know.
There wouldn't be much point to my doing so, however, since the goal is
for *you* to learn. (Not to be taught, but to learn - the difference
being that the latter involves more actual study.)
Reading commands like that is not a good way to learn, unless you
already know a fair amount about the subject.
People have tried to point you to resources which *could* help you
learn, even if you don't already know much about the subject. I don't
intend to speculate on the reasons, but it doesn't seem to have done any
good.
(Explain to me in detail what the above command does. Prove that
besides being a good pontificator, you are equally good at helping
stupid people like me learn.)
I'm OK, though not necessarily great, at helping someone who wants to
learn. In fact, I often like doing it.
I'm not particularly good at, or particularly interested in, helping
someone who isn't interested in learning - and the overall impression I
get from the total body of your posts to this list so far is that you
are not particularly interested in learning, rather than in just getting
a single answer (and then another, and then another).
(Also, good pontificator? While I might be, I'm not sure where I've
been pontificating here lately, or necessarily here at all...)
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Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Horatio Leragon hlera...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 6:39 PM
This script'll remove linux-image-generic and the kernel will no longer be
upgraded automatically.
What do you mean by kernel will no longer be upgraded automatically?
What's your definition of automatically?
My definition of automatically is that the kernel will be upgraded
when you upgrade your system with apt. If you don't have the
linux-image-amd64 metapackage on Debian (or the equivalent for
another architecture) or the linux-image-generic metapackage on
Ubuntu, this will not happen.
And if your box has Secure Boot (even disabled), the corresponding
linux-signed-* packages will be installed and won't be purged.
I don't understand what you meant by the corresponding linux-signed-*
packages will be installed and won't be purged? (After I run that command,
I type $sudo apt-get autoremove and $aptitude search '~c' and $sudo aptitude
purge '~c'. In my case, I manage to remove about 180MB of unwanted
software.)
(apt-get --purge autoremove englobes all thress commands.)
What makes yuo think that linux-signed-* will be uninstalled if you
run these commands.
Feel free to use Google to find out what the Ubuntu linux-signed-* packages are.
Can you provide a command for me to try out your assumption?
At hte moment, I only have access to a Debian unstable VM with just
one kernel installed so I can can't run this usefully on Debian but on
my Ubuntu 14.04 laptop:
# dpkg --list 'linux-image-*' | perl -ane 'BEGIN { $r = `uname -r` or
die ; chomp $r } print $F[1], \n if $F[0] eq ii $F[1] !~
/\Q$r\E\b/'
linux-image-3.13.0-24-generic
linux-image-3.13.0-27-generic
linux-image-extra-3.13.0-24-generic
linux-image-extra-3.13.0-27-generic
linux-image-generic
#
I have tried the command
dpkg --list 'linux-image-*' \
| perl -ane 'BEGIN { $r = `uname -r` or die; chomp $r } print $F[1],
\n if $F[0] eq ii $F[1] !~ /\Q$r\E\b/' \
| xargs -r aptitude purge -y
without problems and it was posted on a very popular forum frequented by
Linux experts in the world wide web. If Linux experts had issues with it,
they would have highlighted it several moons ago.
There's a lot of crap on the net, like the link that you posted previously.
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Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
Oh Jerry Stuckup, that's so sly of you. You're now hiding behind a new email address. Don't let me imitate you. From: Bzzz lazyvi...@gmx.com To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2014 12:17 AM Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? On Fri, 6 Jun 2014 09:08:58 -0700 (PDT) Horatio Leragon hlera...@yahoo.com wrote: I do have an IQ of 45. This explains a lot… -- Rotten wood cannot be carved. -- Confucius, Analects, Book 5, Ch. 9 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140606181705.75244436@anubis.defcon1
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 06/06/2014 12:17 PM, Bzzz wrote: On Fri, 6 Jun 2014 09:08:58 -0700 (PDT) Horatio Leragon hlera...@yahoo.com wrote: I do have an IQ of 45. This explains a lot… Which IQ scale is this score on? Most of the scale charts on the Wikipedia entry on IQ classification don't go down that low. The Stanford-Binet 5th-edition scale does, and labels it as moderately impaired or delayed (their lowest listed classification); the Levine and Marks 1928 scale also does, and labels it as moron (which at least is above the ranges labeled as imbecile and idiot). None of the others seem to, at a glance. It would vary depending on the scale, but offhand, I wouldn't have expected someone with an IQ that low to be capable of writing as fast (and with as good spelling and grammar) as Horatio Leragon has done in these threads. Which would imply either that he's doing extremely well for his IQ level, or that he in fact does not have an IQ that low. - -- The Wanderer recognizes that this is now offtopic, and will probably not reply further in this subthread Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTke3RAAoJEASpNY00KDJrbCIP/1hpoJuo4At5KuCf5Q67u1q9 SNJSuATaQXtf57yoYxfz4M54pkH+0ADBZgwNAMxGLsOwFLRss4LSXWFSDU6T2Adb msq6Lvx/tg5B6zto+Wq6TmvdQOaTZtvprPIH9g8dT9Vz3rX/fq3+BgHqNq4tf0pD v2W4FqR644pJVkszbt9O8+v+XI/4LMY63GHuaCMh68nJt4Hu/GRFg0LXBrCGHeWa x3QNtKPOpe3XH33RbFOF1NrFPOQGiGf4vVIeymSAdfLkKZYiRFYg7haB8moa26r1 2iaSKuXK3cs8bZ4gFrZ/TfT8tseEfwv8Z1DIMpHWkhR5KS7sQAcqyUe+ZFTncBQd vS6AaXKF8ulm7jHCVyWHHq8DPA0hxdpVKr/GvW6lIaLioKRqWEbAh7cIdTtN91F1 pI/w4VmAYAr5+8ZVTDTHhpGmk4iDTyuxMPvH5VoFcx6U4a+9BQLWW8ZyUibuidbb GN0U8y0QptCyqeJoL3QmMOKxMxhkWqYvwybctvs9m5u+VrTPWqXy1ZidCdTU5FtK d/8St/IcHRlGFTS8VszL4rjAXojX01AJ8iHw1WboB5lh81Y+V2bsNbCp6m3tvk97 RIWmWX5HhL6vJvdjFby62nPPXs6vr3H+7fabUSYWM6jbKuEyLewDWcnYhBZv7+gv rw/YOSHTx4+y7+pvIjxO =HM1k -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5391edd2.4030...@fastmail.fm
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
Let me summarize for you:
You don't know what those commands do. And you dare not admit it to me.
It's OK. A man has to save his face sometimes.
From: The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm
To: Debian User debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2014 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie.
enable internet access)?
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(Is there a reason why your mail has a Reply-To header with your own
address in it? That would tend to take the discussion off-list, which
while not necessarily inappropriate given the extent to which this is
becoming less on-topic, is not something I would have expected you to
want.)
On 06/06/2014 11:56 AM, Horatio Leragon wrote:
[that on 2014-06-06 at 21:19, The Wanderer wrote:]
I would not consider those awesome answers.
Envy and jealousy is bad for health --I mean mental health.
Ad hominem attacks, especially ones without visible basis, are bad
argument and do not make for good discussion. (Or good neighbors.)
From the time I asked questions till now, I have yet to see your
awesome answers.
That's odd, considering you've thanked me multiple times for providing
detailed explanations for things.
Regardless, I'm not claiming to have provided awesome answers. I'm
saying that the answers you described as awesome, which you received
elsewhere, are not ones to which I would apply that term.
They don't explain anything; they may let you get something done,
but they don't help you understand what you're doing, why you're
doing it, or why doing it that way works when doing it a
different way wouldn't.
Do you think that I have learned things here? Zilch!
All that I've heard on this list is a lot of preachy stuff.
I think that says more about you than it does about the answers you've
received here.
Answers like that don't help you learn.
Oh yeah? You think you're better than the Linux experts who gave me
the answer?
Not necessarily; I don't know them, or who they are, or what they know.
Tell you what. If you can explain in detail what the following
commands do, I may, in future, pay more attention to what you have to
say. (Talk is cheap.)
apt-cache search java | awk '{print($1)}' | grep -E -e
'^(ia32-)?(sun|oracle)-java' -e
'^openjdk-' -e '^icedtea' -e '^(default|gcj)-j(re|dk)' -e
'^gcj-(.*)-j(re|dk)' -e 'java-common' | xargs sudo apt-get -y remove
You've appeared to pay attention to what I had to say in the past...
And yes, I could explain in detail what each component of both of those
commands does - although I wouldn't be sure you'd understand the
explanation, since I don't know what you already know.
There wouldn't be much point to my doing so, however, since the goal is
for *you* to learn. (Not to be taught, but to learn - the difference
being that the latter involves more actual study.)
Reading commands like that is not a good way to learn, unless you
already know a fair amount about the subject.
People have tried to point you to resources which *could* help you
learn, even if you don't already know much about the subject. I don't
intend to speculate on the reasons, but it doesn't seem to have done any
good.
(Explain to me in detail what the above command does. Prove that
besides being a good pontificator, you are equally good at helping
stupid people like me learn.)
I'm OK, though not necessarily great, at helping someone who wants to
learn. In fact, I often like doing it.
I'm not particularly good at, or particularly interested in, helping
someone who isn't interested in learning - and the overall impression I
get from the total body of your posts to this list so far is that you
are not particularly interested in learning, rather than in just getting
a single answer (and then another, and then another).
(Also, good pontificator? While I might be, I'm not sure where I've
been pontificating here lately, or necessarily here at all...)
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Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On Fri, 6 Jun 2014 09:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Horatio Leragon hlera...@yahoo.com wrote: Oh Jerry Stuckup, that's so sly of you. You're now hiding behind a new email address. I'm not Jerry, just a spectator checking that Murphy's law applied to mailing-lists is true: in each mailing-list you mind, one major dumb ass you'll find. AND PLEASE CONFIGURE CORRECTLY YOUR FRIGGING MUA! -- Meor: How do you say pig in japanese? Sleeping_God: Dish N°7. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140606184850.4e4ecdca@anubis.defcon1
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On 2014-06-06, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 06/06/2014 12:17 PM, Bzzz wrote: On Fri, 6 Jun 2014 09:08:58 -0700 (PDT) Horatio Leragon hlera...@yahoo.com wrote: I do have an IQ of 45. This explains a lot… Which IQ scale is this score on? I think it's in Celsius (in Fahrenheit that would be about 113). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnlp3spf.22m.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
It might be miles per second, which would make him travelling at 2.4156% of the maximum velocity of a sheep in a vacuum. (See http://www.theregister.co.uk/Design/page/reg-standards-converter.html for confirmation- or other possibilities...) On 6 June 2014 17:59, Curt cu...@free.fr wrote: On 2014-06-06, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 06/06/2014 12:17 PM, Bzzz wrote: On Fri, 6 Jun 2014 09:08:58 -0700 (PDT) Horatio Leragon hlera...@yahoo.com wrote: I do have an IQ of 45. This explains a lot… Which IQ scale is this score on? I think it's in Celsius (in Fahrenheit that would be about 113). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnlp3spf.22m.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On 4/06/2014 11:15 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: Yes, it is in my nature to call a spade a spade. And you have already shown you have little background in Linux, as this post once again shows. Yet you refuse to even attempt to learn the basic knowledge you need to even understand how to use Linux. Instead, you go searching forums and mailing lists, expecting people to hand-feed you. It's not a judgement, and it's not stereotyping. It is what you have shown you are by your words. The fact you don't like it means nothing to me. I only care about those willing to take responsibility for their actions and knowledge. Amen brother, you picked this jerk well. Wonder if we can discourage him enough to choose another community to bring down, or better still to have him go offline completely! A. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5391fc49.80...@affinityvision.com.au
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On 6/06/2014 8:39 PM, Tom H wrote:
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 5:52 AM, Horatio Leragon hlera...@yahoo.com wrote:
dpkg --list 'linux-image-*' \
| perl -ane 'BEGIN { $r = `uname -r` or die; chomp $r } print $F[1],
\n if $F[0] eq ii $F[1] !~ /\Q$r\E\b/' \
| xargs -r aptitude purge -y
This script'll remove linux-image-generic and the kernel will no
longer be upgraded automatically.
And if your box has Secure Boot (even disabled), the corresponding
linux-signed-* packages will be installed and won't be purged.
That sure sounds like it would be doing us all a great service!
A.
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Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On 6/6/2014 12:03 PM, Horatio Leragon wrote: *From:* Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net *To:* Horatio Leragon hlera...@yahoo.com *Sent:* Friday, June 6, 2014 10:35 PM *Subject:* Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? It's clear to anyone with half a brain. To those, the examples are quite good. But then Debian is made for people with half a brain - not trolls and idiots. Lemme psycho-analyze you: you're a miserable, lonely man full of bitterness and angry with the world. Your wife has divorced you and has custody of your children (if you have any to begin with) and you're a loser with women because you suck at relationship-building. That's why you spend almost your entire waking hours on a keyboard behind a computer monitor. Besides your computer, the only other companion you have is your beer. It's not hard to guess you're a pot-bellied, bald headed fatso. ROFLMAO! I guess you'd be talking about your own life - if you could have found a woman who would marry you. And no, you're wrong. I am happily married, and have been for a number of years. I spend my time on the computer because that's my job. But you wouldn't understand the term job. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53920311.3030...@attglobal.net
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On 6/6/2014 12:08 PM, Horatio Leragon wrote: *From:* Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net *To:* debian-user@lists.debian.org *Sent:* Friday, June 6, 2014 10:39 PM *Subject:* Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? Nope, but then I'm not the one asking for help here. Oh, you Schadenfreude, you creep. Do you think for a split second that I would be helpless if I did not receive help here? Yes, because you've been kicked out of every other place you've trolled. Not at all. Just calling you for what you are. And once again, the spelling is JUDGMENTAL. But once again you prove you refuse to learn. You see, you're judgemental again. I suppose it's your character flaw. Your claim of having an IQ of 45 is an insult to those who really DO have an IQ of 45. I do have an IQ of 45. Are you accusing me of lying, you creep? No, I'm just saying you insult those who REALLY have an IQ of 45. That's not how Debian works. Are you now the official spokesman for Debian, Stuckup? Ah, yes. The third grade mentality shows up again. No, there is no official spokesman. But I've been using Debian and on this list a LOT longer than you have. This is not your personal help source for things you're too lazy to look up - or attempt to learn on your own. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/539203ad.2010...@attglobal.net
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On 6/6/2014 12:14 PM, Horatio Leragon wrote: *From:* Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net *To:* debian-user@lists.debian.org *Sent:* Friday, June 6, 2014 10:42 PM *Subject:* Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? And you once again show you refuse to learn - even when quoting the correct spelling. How many times must I tell you that I'm dyslexic? Have you ever heard of a spell checker? I didn't think so. How about a dictionary? Whether you are dyslexic or not is immaterial. The fact you refuse to learn and expect the world to hand feed you is. The pot calling the kettle black. You refuse to accept people for what they are. You want to mold them in your own conceited image. No, I just call trolls what they are. I already have. And I've figured out that what people like you think of me is immaterial. And do you think that your opinion of me matters to me? Do you think I care? It's obvious you haven't done enuf self-instropection. Or your wife wouldn't have left for another man, taking your kids along with her :-) ROFLMAO! The personal attacks continue. But you're wrong here, also. I am happily married. It's obvious you suck at relationship-building and your only companions are your computer and beer. I am excellent at relationship building, as shown by the successful businesses I've had (and continue to have). Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/539204a5.8030...@attglobal.net
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On 6/6/2014 1:37 PM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: On 4/06/2014 11:15 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: Yes, it is in my nature to call a spade a spade. And you have already shown you have little background in Linux, as this post once again shows. Yet you refuse to even attempt to learn the basic knowledge you need to even understand how to use Linux. Instead, you go searching forums and mailing lists, expecting people to hand-feed you. It's not a judgement, and it's not stereotyping. It is what you have shown you are by your words. The fact you don't like it means nothing to me. I only care about those willing to take responsibility for their actions and knowledge. Amen brother, you picked this jerk well. Wonder if we can discourage him enough to choose another community to bring down, or better still to have him go offline completely! A. I doubt it, Andrew. Trolls like him don't go away easily. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53920518.5000...@attglobal.net
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On Fri, 2014-06-06 at 02:52 -0700, Horatio Leragon wrote: I bet that no one here is willing to give that kind of awesome answers, assuming that they know. The so-called experts here will tell me to first read the official Debian Reference manual, man pages and maybe a book on bash scripting for the uninitiated. You're mistaken, assumed you post links to your research and you claim that you're unable to understand something yet, most folks on this list will provide such help too. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402079879.799.12.camel@archlinux
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On 7/06/2014 4:14 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I doubt it, Andrew. Trolls like him don't go away easily. Unfortunately I am pretty sure you are right Jerry, but I am amazed that people are still /trying/ to help him even after he has shown horrible form and he has pissed off so many of us. But enough from me on this topic, unless he again manages to bring out the worst in me (and I somehow cannot ignore it). A. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53920c30.1040...@affinityvision.com.au
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On Fri, 2014-06-06 at 03:09 -0700, Horatio Leragon wrote: Did you know that I'm dyslexic? And there are many categories of dyslexia? I suffer from dyslexia too, but I'm highly gifted and I guess your IQ is also higher than 45. Learning by doing, to understand --help and man pages is great when reading is an issue. What is it like to have dyslexia? Animations Illustrations https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwZLFTW4OGY -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402080303.799.16.camel@archlinux
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On Fri, 2014-06-06 at 10:39 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: Your claim of having an IQ of 45 is an insult to those who really DO have an IQ of 45. Full ACK! People with mental handicaps are welcome! Usually people with mental handicaps are not that eloquent as Horatio is ;). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402080768.799.19.camel@archlinux
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On 7/06/2014 4:45 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2014-06-06 at 03:09 -0700, Horatio Leragon wrote: Did you know that I'm dyslexic? And there are many categories of dyslexia? I suffer from dyslexia too, but I'm highly gifted and I guess your IQ is also higher than 45. Learning by doing, to understand --help and man pages is great when reading is an issue. What is it like to have dyslexia? Animations Illustrations https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwZLFTW4OGY I am sure that there are different levels of dyslexia, the same as there are different levels of other conditions. The extremes in that youtube video would be very hard to deal with; but given what we've seen, dyslexia is not his greatest problem -- rather it might be his greatest excuse. A. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53920f2c.2010...@affinityvision.com.au
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On Fri, 2014-06-06 at 09:03 -0700, Horatio Leragon wrote: __ From: Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net To: Horatio Leragon hlera...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 10:35 PM Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? It's clear to anyone with half a brain. To those, the examples are quite good. But then Debian is made for people with half a brain - not trolls and idiots. Lemme psycho-analyze you: you're a miserable, lonely man full of bitterness and angry with the world. Your wife has divorced you and has custody of your children (if you have any to begin with) and you're a loser with women because you suck at relationship-building. That's why you spend almost your entire waking hours on a keyboard behind a computer monitor. Besides your computer, the only other companion you have is your beer. It's not hard to guess you're a pot-bellied, bald headed fatso. Please Jerry and Horatio stopp this flame war. And especially you Horatio, consider if the above words from you are appropriate. IMO this goes much too far. :( -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402081154.799.22.camel@archlinux
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On 6/6/2014 2:59 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2014-06-06 at 09:03 -0700, Horatio Leragon wrote: __ From: Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net To: Horatio Leragon hlera...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 10:35 PM Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? It's clear to anyone with half a brain. To those, the examples are quite good. But then Debian is made for people with half a brain - not trolls and idiots. Lemme psycho-analyze you: you're a miserable, lonely man full of bitterness and angry with the world. Your wife has divorced you and has custody of your children (if you have any to begin with) and you're a loser with women because you suck at relationship-building. That's why you spend almost your entire waking hours on a keyboard behind a computer monitor. Besides your computer, the only other companion you have is your beer. It's not hard to guess you're a pot-bellied, bald headed fatso. Please Jerry and Horatio stopp this flame war. And especially you Horatio, consider if the above words from you are appropriate. IMO this goes much too far. :( Ralf, You're right. This guy is hopeless - even worse than most trolls. Hopefully others will ignore him as I plan to do. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/539210a7.5060...@attglobal.net
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On Fri, 2014-06-06 at 12:35 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: On 06/06/2014 12:17 PM, Bzzz wrote: On Fri, 6 Jun 2014 09:08:58 -0700 (PDT) Horatio Leragon hlera...@yahoo.com wrote: I do have an IQ of 45. This explains a lot… Which IQ scale is this score on? Most of the scale charts on the Wikipedia entry on IQ classification don't go down that low. The Stanford-Binet 5th-edition scale does, and labels it as moderately impaired or delayed (their lowest listed classification); the Levine and Marks 1928 scale also does, and labels it as moron (which at least is above the ranges labeled as imbecile and idiot). None of the others seem to, at a glance. It would vary depending on the scale, but offhand, I wouldn't have expected someone with an IQ that low to be capable of writing as fast (and with as good spelling and grammar) as Horatio Leragon has done in these threads. Which would imply either that he's doing extremely well for his IQ level, or that he in fact does not have an IQ that low. You're right Wanderer. Horatio must have an IQ much higher than 45. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402081475.799.23.camel@archlinux
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On Fri, 2014-06-06 at 15:04 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 6/6/2014 2:59 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Please Jerry and Horatio stopp this flame war. And especially you Horatio, consider if the above words from you are appropriate. IMO this goes much too far. :( Ralf, You're right. This guy is hopeless - even worse than most trolls. Hopefully others will ignore him as I plan to do. Jerry If Horatio should apologize to you, I'm willing to help him at the off-topic mailing list. If he shouldn't apologize to you, I will ignore him. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402082644.799.27.camel@archlinux
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On Friday 06 June 2014 19:57:48 Andrew McGlashan wrote: but given what we've seen, dyslexia is not his greatest problem I believe neither that he has dyslexia nor that his IQ is 45. But why on earth is anyone still bothering with him? Let's all kill-file him and get on with our lives. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201406062239.08971.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Procmail them out of your life: was how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On Sat, 07 Jun 2014 03:37:13 +1000 Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote: On 4/06/2014 11:15 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: Yes, it is in my nature to call a spade a spade. And you have already shown you have little background in Linux, as this post once again shows. Yet you refuse to even attempt to learn the basic knowledge you need to even understand how to use Linux. Instead, you go searching forums and mailing lists, expecting people to hand-feed you. It's not a judgement, and it's not stereotyping. It is what you have shown you are by your words. The fact you don't like it means nothing to me. I only care about those willing to take responsibility for their actions and knowledge. Amen brother, you picked this jerk well. Wonder if we can discourage him enough to choose another community to bring down, or better still to have him go offline completely! Seriously, Andrew (and everyone else), why not make Debian-Users life more pleasant for yourself, and simply procmail those you consider a waste of bandwidth out of your life. I've procmailed out 13 Debian-Users people so far, and now I find less conflict on the list, and I don't get in a bad mood seeing things that clash with my beliefs, I get in less arguments, and oh yeah, I get higher signal to noise ratio and much more useful technical information. Whatever your pet-peeve, whether it's the proudly stupid, the ingrates, the symptom description fascists, the conflict thrivers, the offtopic brigade, those who are in love with themselves, or the just plain crazy, you can get rid of them with four lines (or three if you want them *totally* out of your life) in procmail.rc. I would expect, and in fact encourage, those of you whom I annoy, to procmail me out of your lives. By procmailing annoyances out of your life, you'd be doing yourself a favor, and as a pleasant side effect, you'd be doing the whole list a favor when the list doesn't have to see highly emotional responses to stupid posts. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140606195357.4c72131b@mydesk
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
Horatio Leragon wrote: Brian wrote: I wish the Debian Reference told us things like this and was available on t'internet. :) I'm puzzled by your weird behavior, Brian. The above statement of yours contradicts what you advised me earlier in 2 replies of 1 June and 1 reply of 2 June 2014. In the latter your advice for me was to look up the man interfaces and Debian Reference Manual. Now in the latest reply, you admitted that the Debian Reference is deficient: I wish the Debian Reference told us things like this and was available on t'internet. :) I read that as being sarcastic (and nicely done too) since the Debian Reference *does* tell us things like this, documents it very well, and it *is* available on the internet. And I found it extra funny because I referenced it in my posting which I posted within a minute or two of Brian's posting. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
Horatio Leragon wrote: Bob Proulx wrote: dmesg | grep -i Eth That assumes you have that hardware. Other hardware will show up with their own id strings. Sorry, I don't understand. What do you mean by That assumes you have that hardware ? I have the network card installed in my machine. Ah... Sorry. I read that wrong. And therefore my comment was completely misplaced. Sorry. I could say how I had it wrong in my mind but it wouldn't improve things. Better to use allow-hotplug there instead of auto. Do you mean: allow-hotplug eth0 Yes. There isn't a dhcpcd command in Debian. You must be using a different system with the above notes. The above command is copied from the following guide: http://debianletters.blogspot.com/2008/01/howto-simply-configure-network-card-in.html Tom answered the question. Tom H wrote: It's created via the alternatives system by the dhcpcd/dhcpcd5 postinsts. But dhcpcd5 isn't the default dhcp client. I dare even say that it isn't very popular as compared to the other packages available. Your instructions were to install dhcp3-client so there wasn't a clue that you wanted dhcpcd5 installed. And at the time I didn't know that dhcpcd5 provided that command until Tom posted his answer. You hadn't provided that URL when you asked for feedback on your recipe. You asked for feedback and therefore I read through and provided feedback. That is the sum total of things. You have me confused. Either you are right or the writer of the said guide is wrong. Now that you have posted the URL and we see that it is from 2008 we know that it was for a much older version of the system. A lot of things have changed in that time. Regardless I applaud people who write documentation in any form and through it try to help other people out. That spirit of helping others is awesome. I think the author of that blog post was mostly right. The service command was not available then for example and so he couldn't describe it. However there are some important discrepancies that could have been better. The biggest being that it instructs to configure /etc/resolv.conf without saying that is only when assigning a static IP address and not when using DHCP. Another important discrepancy is not describing ifup and ifdown when describing the /etc/network/interfaces configuration. Because things do change this is one of the reasons I usually try to reference the official documentation. That way it will always be the authoritative reference. Or a project wiki page. Because that documentation is alive and will keep up with the current release. That is why I referenced the Debian Reference. So that you wouldn't need to believe what some random person wrote in an email. You could read the official documentation I referenced and get the authoritative answer without me there at all. On Debian that would be isc-dhcp-client. The writer of the guide states that it (the guide) is for Debian users. And you're telling me he's wrong. I'm really confused. I think I need a second opinion. Second opinions are always good. Please consult the official Debian documentation for the official opinion. Note that if you find any errors in the official docs that you can file a bug against them just as you would for any software project. And through the bug ticket you can then get the error fixed. It is a good system! Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
Surely there must be a reason why my spam filter keeps putting Horatio Leragon posts into my Spam folder, and results in the list telling me they are receiving bounces from me. I wonder what it can be. Does anyone know? On 5 June 2014 06:16, Horatio Leragon hlera...@yahoo.com wrote: -- *From:* Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net *To:* debian-user@lists.debian.org *Sent:* Thursday, June 5, 2014 11:18 AM *Subject:* Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? No arguments there, Bob. If I were you, Jerry Stuckup, I would do some soul-searching to find out why I am being judgemental, unkind, full of hate and mistrust, wasting my life away at the computer.
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On Thu, 5 Jun 2014 14:11:25 +0100 Terence terence.j...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Terence, Surely there must be a reason why my spam filter keeps putting Horatio Leragon posts into my Spam folder, and results in the list telling me That's how google seem to deal with yahoo's 'DMARC p=reject' policy. they are receiving bounces from me. That surprises me. I was under the impression that google didn't bounce that stuff. OTOH, the person I got the info from admit that their research so far is extremely limited. -- Regards _ / ) The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent It's got nothing to do with the need to impress Titanic (My Over) Reaction - 999 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On Thursday 05 June 2014 14:11:25 Terence wrote: Surely there must be a reason why my spam filter keeps putting Horatio Leragon posts into my Spam folder, and results in the list telling me they are receiving bounces from me. I wonder what it can be. Does anyone know? I'm getting the same thing on Gmail. I started out telling it every time that the posts were not spam, which got tedious. Then I decided that Gmail obviously knew something I didn't - and anyway was saving me a job since it saved me having to kill-file him. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201406051448.55859.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On Thursday, June 05, 2014 09:36:09 Brad Rogers wrote: On Thu, 5 Jun 2014 14:11:25 +0100 Terence terence.j...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Terence, Surely there must be a reason why my spam filter keeps putting Horatio Leragon posts into my Spam folder, and results in the list telling me That's how google seem to deal with yahoo's 'DMARC p=reject' policy. they are receiving bounces from me. That surprises me. I was under the impression that google didn't bounce that stuff. OTOH, the person I got the info from admit that their research so far is extremely limited. Horatio ends up in my spam folder too. With all the vaunted beyesian learning Google brags about they still haven't figured it out. -- Mike McGinn KD2CNU Be happy that brainfarts don't smell. No electrons were harmed in sending this message, some were inconvenienced. ** Registered Linux User 377849 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201406050953.36601.mikemcg...@mcginnweb.net
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On 6/5/2014 1:03 AM, Horatio Leragon wrote: *From:* Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net *To:* debian-user@lists.debian.org *Sent:* Wednesday, June 4, 2014 9:15 PM *Subject:* Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? YOU aren't. You refuse to learn. The rest of us use CURRENT DOCUMENTATION. Again, you are being judgemental and unkind in your remark. It shows you harbor a lot of hate and mistrust in your heart. Anyone who quotes a blog entry over six years old has no reason to question when someone knowledgeable tells him otherwise. I only care about those willing to take responsibility for their actions and knowledge. Just who do you think you are on this mailing list? God's gift to mankind? Bah! And you call ME judgmental? ROFLMAO! No, I'm not God's gift to mankind. But I'm also not your unpaid consultant/tutor because you are too lazy (or, as I'm beginning to think, too stoopid) to take responsibility for your own learning. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53907a07.6060...@attglobal.net
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On 6/5/2014 1:16 AM, Horatio Leragon wrote: *From:* Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net *To:* debian-user@lists.debian.org *Sent:* Thursday, June 5, 2014 11:18 AM *Subject:* Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? No arguments there, Bob. If I were you, Jerry Stuckup, I would do some soul-searching to find out why I am being judgemental, unkind, full of hate and mistrust, wasting my life away at the computer. Ah, yes - that third grade name calling again. And you can't even spell judgmental. No, I'm not full of hate and mistrust. But I also am not a sucker. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53907a50.1000...@attglobal.net
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On 6/5/2014 9:11 AM, Terence wrote: Surely there must be a reason why my spam filter keeps putting Horatio Leragon posts into my Spam folder, and results in the list telling me they are receiving bounces from me. I wonder what it can be. Does anyone know? Sounds like you've got an intelligent SPAM filter. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53907a7c.5050...@attglobal.net
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
From: Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 9:48 AM Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? Maybe you need to look at current information. The blog you reference is over 6 years old. A lot has changed since then! Look, how am I supposed to know that Debian commands have changed a lot over the course of 6 years? I read a lot of hype on the internet, telling me that Debian is the most stable of all Linux OSes. One of the hallmarks of stability is basic commands do not change over time. Take example Microsoft Windows OS. Microsoft Windows XP is the most stable OS to come out of Microsoft to date. It is about 12+ years old. Have their commands changed since the launch in 2001? No. But once again, I forgot. You refuse to learn. It's the pot calling the kettle black, Jerry. If I remember it right, you refuse to learn to stop being judgmental and stereotyping people. But I guess it's simply in your nature.
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On 6/4/2014 7:29 AM, Horatio Leragon wrote: *From:* Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net *To:* debian-user@lists.debian.org *Sent:* Wednesday, June 4, 2014 9:48 AM *Subject:* Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? Maybe you need to look at current information. The blog you reference is over 6 years old. A lot has changed since then! Look, how am I supposed to know that Debian commands have changed a lot over the course of 6 years? YOU aren't. You refuse to learn. The rest of us use CURRENT DOCUMENTATION. I read a lot of hype on the internet, telling me that Debian is the most stable of all Linux OSes. One of the hallmarks of stability is basic commands do not change over time. Take example Microsoft Windows OS. Microsoft Windows XP is the most stable OS to come out of Microsoft to date. It is about 12+ years old. Have their commands changed since the launch in 2001? No. No, that does NOT necessarily mean basic commands do not change over time. That is the hallmark of a stale OS. Good OS's change as needs and resources change. Stable DOES mean you don't need to update the kernel every six weeks, and it doesn't crash every time you turn your back. But once again, I forgot. You refuse to learn. It's the pot calling the kettle black, Jerry. If I remember it right, you refuse to learn to stop being judgmental and stereotyping people. But I guess it's simply in your nature. Yes, it is in my nature to call a spade a spade. And you have already shown you have little background in Linux, as this post once again shows. Yet you refuse to even attempt to learn the basic knowledge you need to even understand how to use Linux. Instead, you go searching forums and mailing lists, expecting people to hand-feed you. It's not a judgement, and it's not stereotyping. It is what you have shown you are by your words. The fact you don't like it means nothing to me. I only care about those willing to take responsibility for their actions and knowledge. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/538f1be1.3090...@attglobal.net
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: Horatio Leragon wrote: #dhcpcd eth0 There isn't a dhcpcd command in Debian. You must be using a different system with the above notes. It's created via the alternatives system by the dhcpcd/dhcpcd5 postinsts. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=sw4uomfktxkbeh4e-etw2yeqamz8_wccc-zrdt67rh...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Horatio Leragon hlera...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com On Debian that would be isc-dhcp-client. The writer of the guide states that it (the guide) is for Debian users. And you're telling me he's wrong. I'm really confused. I think I need a second opinion. You're easily confused. The default dhcp client on Debian is dhclient which is provided by isc-dhcp-client, previously dhcp3-client. I doubt that dhcp3-client has ever provided dhcpcd, even in 2008. So that debianist notes page is incorrect. I'd trust Bob if I were you; especially since it's MORONIC to define an interface in /etc/network/interfaces and then advise a user to acquire an ip address with a dhcp client rather than with ifup or service. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=sx5yy0rcmebrxebeo0n-c8ytpcgvjw+j-jmaucplah...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On Wed, Jun 04, 2014 at 09:15:13AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: ...snip... Yes, it is in my nature to call a spade a spade. And you have already shown you have little background in Linux, It's not only linux he has no background in. That's forgivable. More importantly it's self sufficiency he seems to have no background in, ie not having a mentor at his beck and call. ...snip... -- Bob Holtzman A man is a man who will fight with a sword or tackle Mt Everest in snow, but the bravest of all owns a '34 Ford and tries for 6000 in low. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On 6/4/2014 5:36 PM, Bob Holtzman wrote: On Wed, Jun 04, 2014 at 09:15:13AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: ...snip... Yes, it is in my nature to call a spade a spade. And you have already shown you have little background in Linux, It's not only linux he has no background in. That's forgivable. More importantly it's self sufficiency he seems to have no background in, ie not having a mentor at his beck and call. ...snip... No arguments there, Bob. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/538fe19e.9030...@attglobal.net
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
From: Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 9:15 PM Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? YOU aren't. You refuse to learn. The rest of us use CURRENT DOCUMENTATION. Again, you are being judgemental and unkind in your remark. It shows you harbor a lot of hate and mistrust in your heart. I only care about those willing to take responsibility for their actions and knowledge. Just who do you think you are on this mailing list? God's gift to mankind? Bah!
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
From: Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2014 11:18 AM Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? No arguments there, Bob. If I were you, Jerry Stuckup, I would do some soul-searching to find out why I am being judgemental, unkind, full of hate and mistrust, wasting my life away at the computer.
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
From: Marko Randjelovic marelo...@gmail.com To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Cc: Horatio Leragon hlera...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 12:22 PM Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? If you didn't unselect Desktop Environment during install, it's already installed. I unselected Desktop Environment during install as I have found it to be bloated, full of software that I do not need at all. Read some basic introduction about basic networking terms. Then you could read some basic introduction to Linux networking. I have done that and since I am still clueless, I asked the questions here. For your current problem, you didn't provide us enough information. We don't even know if your network cable is pluged in or you expect to be cnnected by wireless. During installation of Debian, there is no wired and wireless connection. Debian skips auto-configuration of network, DHCP and DHCPv6. I install a bare minimum of Debian. During Selecting software to install, I unselect all the three items offered to me: Desktop Environment, Print Server and Standard System Utilities. About one or two weeks after installation, I take my laptop computer to my friend's home where there is both wired and wireless connection. What commands do I have to type at the console, tty1, to enable internet access?
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On Tue, Jun 03, 2014 at 04:14:57AM -0700, Horatio Leragon wrote: -- From: Marko Randjelovic marelo...@gmail.com To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Cc: Horatio Leragon hlera...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 12:22 PM Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? If you didn't unselect Desktop Environment during install, it's already installed. I unselected Desktop Environment during install as I have found it to be bloated, full of software that I do not need at all. Read some basic introduction about basic networking terms. Then you could read some basic introduction to Linux networking. I have done that and since I am still clueless, I asked the questions here. For your current problem, you didn't provide us enough information. We don't even know if your network cable is pluged in or you expect to be cnnected by wireless. During installation of Debian, there is no wired and wireless connection. Debian skips auto-configuration of network, DHCP and DHCPv6. I install a bare minimum of Debian. During Selecting software to install, I unselect all the three items offered to me: Desktop Environment, Print Server and Standard System Utilities. About one or two weeks after installation, I take my laptop computer to my friend's home where there is both wired and wireless connection. What commands do I have to type at the console, tty1, to enable internet access? OK, given your preference for keeping things to a minimum, you may as well do the following. If the connection is wired and DHCP is available: #0: apt-get install isc-dhcp-client (I'm assuming you have your install CD handy) #1: sudo dhclient eth0 That should be enough to get you an IP, a nameserver and a default route. Try ping -c1 google.com or else ping -c1 8.8.8.8. If the first fails, but the second works, append namesever 8.8.8.8 to /etc/resolv.conf If the connection is wired, and DHCP is not available (i.e. a static IP is provided) #1: ip address add x.x.x.x/yy dev eth0 #2: ip route add default via z.z.z.z dev eth0 #3: echo nameserver 8.8.8.8 /etc/resolv.conf Where x.x.x.x/yy and z.z.z.z are the ip address (x.x.x.x), netmassk (yy bits) and gateway server (z.z.z.z) that your friend provides. If you visit this friend regularly, you might want to look at putting something into /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces has some good examples). If the connection is wireless, I would suggest installing wpasupplicant and then following something like the ArchLinux page on how to use it: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wpa_supplicant signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
From: Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:06 PM Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? OK, given your preference for keeping things to a minimum, you may as well do the following. If the connection is wired and DHCP is available: #0: apt-get install isc-dhcp-client (I'm assuming you have your install CD handy) #1: sudo dhclient eth0 That should be enough to get you an IP, a nameserver and a default route. Try ping -c1 google.com or else ping -c1 8.8.8.8. If the first fails, but the second works, append namesever 8.8.8.8 to /etc/resolv.conf If the connection is wired, and DHCP is not available (i.e. a static IP is provided) #1: ip address add x.x.x.x/yy dev eth0 #2: ip route add default via z.z.z.z dev eth0 #3: echo nameserver 8.8.8.8 /etc/resolv.conf Where x.x.x.x/yy and z.z.z.z are the ip address (x.x.x.x), netmassk (yy bits) and gateway server (z.z.z.z) that your friend provides. Thanks for the detailed explanation. I really appreciate it. What do you think of the following method? (I found it on Google today). Your feedback would be appreciated. * **How to configure network connection in Linux** To do so, you need root privileges and _your_favorite_text_editor, as well as knowledge of which IP address you need to enter. To find out which network interface need to be configured, type: dmesg | grep -i Eth and next strings should appear: 8139too Fast Ethernet driver 0.9.28 eth0: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xdf822c00, 00:15:f2:51:ad:da, IRQ 21 eth0: Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8101' It looks like it is eth0 (because ethernet, 0 - zero device, pretty logical). Here and below it is assumed that interface is eth0 **Configuring Linux network with static IP** Just edit the file: # nano /etc/network/interfaces or sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces For your local network static IPs are surely enough. In particular, for static IP networking you need to enter: IP-address, netmask and gateway. Change /etc/network/interfaces to something like this: auto lo iface lo inet loopback auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.1.5 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.1.1 In this example, IP-address 192.168.1.5 is set. **Configuring Linux network with dynamic IP addresses** Continue to edit network config: # nano /etc/network/interfaces or sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces It is simpler here: auto lo iface lo inet loopback auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp Similarly, network interface can be configured via command line: #dhcpcd eth0 For this, you should install in Debian aptitude install dhcp3-client. **Configuring DNS nameserver in Linux** If you don't configure DNS, you cannot connect to any Internet resource by it's name. But it's very simple to tweak it: just edit or create file /etc/resolv.conf # nano /etc/resolv.conf or sudo nano /etc/resolv.conf And type addresses like this: nameserver 192.168.1.1 nameserver 192.168.2.1 as much as it is need. The word nameserver is required. It is curious, but in fresh Debian installation there is no resolv.conf... For changes to take place immediately... ... one can reboot the system, or type: # /etc/init.d/networking restart or sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart That's all, changes will be applied for all network interfaces. *
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On Tue 03 Jun 2014 at 07:19:08 -0700, Horatio Leragon wrote: From: Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk OK, given your preference for keeping things to a minimum, you may as well do the following. [snip] Thanks for the detailed explanation. I really appreciate it. What do you think of the following method? (I found it on Google today). Your feedback would be appreciated. * It is simpler here: auto lo iface lo inet loopback auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp Forget about static configuration; this is what will suit you with a wired connection. ... one can reboot the system, or type: # /etc/init.d/networking restart or sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart ifdown -v ethX and ifup -v ethX is enough. Or reboot. * I wish the Debian Reference told us things like this and was available on t'internet. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/03062014183303.41fd6d0a2...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On Mon 02 Jun 2014 at 22:47:07 +0200, hoh...@arcor.de wrote: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote (Sun, 1 Jun 2014 19:49:34 +0100): I'll let you decide whether you need to modify your statement or the wiki to conform with reality. So listen: SW and websites are artificial and subject to continuous change, not reality. Lach. Apologies. I forgot to offer the third choice - adopt and present some facile argument not based on facts. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/03062014185116.41d35cd13...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
Horatio Leragon wrote: What do you think of the following method? (I found it on Google today). Your feedback would be appreciated. ... dmesg | grep -i Eth and next strings should appear: 8139too Fast Ethernet driver 0.9.28 eth0: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xdf822c00, 00:15:f2:51:ad:da, IRQ 21 eth0: Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8101' That assumes you have that hardware. Other hardware will show up with their own id strings. ... auto eth0 Better to use allow-hotplug there instead of auto. iface eth0 inet dhcp ... Similarly, network interface can be configured via command line: #dhcpcd eth0 There isn't a dhcpcd command in Debian. You must be using a different system with the above notes. If you are using /etc/network/interfaces then you really should use ifup and ifdown for this purpose. Which means instead of the above use: # ifdown eth0 # ifup eth0 For this, you should install in Debian aptitude install dhcp3-client. On Debian that would be isc-dhcp-client. If you don't configure DNS, you cannot connect to any Internet resource by it's name. That is only true if you are using static IP assignment. If you use static IP assignment then you must fully configure the system yourself. I like the resolvconf package and then configuring it in /etc/network/interfaces too using dns-nameservers. If you use DHCP then it will configure /etc/resolv.conf for you automatically. That is rather the entire point of DHCP (Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol) in that it will dynamically configure the host. But it's very simple to tweak it: just edit or create file /etc/resolv.conf # nano /etc/resolv.conf or sudo nano /etc/resolv.conf And type addresses like this: nameserver 192.168.1.1 nameserver 192.168.2.1 as much as it is need. Please let the file be managed by DHCP. It is simpler. The word nameserver is required. Strictly speaking no. Although that is the major use of it. See the documentation for details. man resolv.conf It is curious, but in fresh Debian installation there is no resolv.conf... Only if there is no networking configured. If you don't configure networking then you don't need /etc/resolv.conf. If you do such as through DHCP then it will be set up for you automatically. For changes to take place immediately... ... one can reboot the system, or type: # /etc/init.d/networking restart or sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart With the addition of service it closes some linger potential problems using the /etc/init.d/foo path from the command line. Such as cleaning the environment so that your personal environment does not affect the process environment. It makes for a nice safety net making things slightly more reliable. Instead of the above use: # service networking restart However that is the old way and only applies with the use of auto. But so much has moved to the event driven hotplugged system that I recommend you use allow-hotplug instead of auto as the event driven side of things is much better tested these days. In which case: # ifdown eth0 # ifup eth0 Here is some documentation from the Debian Reference concerning this: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_basic_network_configuration_with_ifupdown_legacy Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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From: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 1:41 AM Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? I wish the Debian Reference told us things like this and was available on t'internet. :) I'm puzzled by your weird behavior, Brian. The above statement of yours contradicts what you advised me earlier in 2 replies of 1 June and 1 reply of 2 June 2014. In the latter your advice for me was to look up the man interfaces and Debian Reference Manual. Now in the latest reply, you admitted that the Debian Reference is deficient: I wish the Debian Reference told us things like this and was available on t'internet. :) Weird.
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
From: Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 4:43 AM Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? Thanks, Bob, for the detailed explanation and tips. That assumes you have that hardware. Other hardware will show up with their own id strings. Sorry, I don't understand. What do you mean by That assumes you have that hardware ? I have the network card installed in my machine. Better to use allow-hotplug there instead of auto. Do you mean: allow-hotplug eth0 There isn't a dhcpcd command in Debian. You must be using a different system with the above notes. The above command is copied from the following guide: http://debianletters.blogspot.com/2008/01/howto-simply-configure-network-card-in.html You have me confused. Either you are right or the writer of the said guide is wrong. On Debian that would be isc-dhcp-client. The writer of the guide states that it (the guide) is for Debian users. And you're telling me he's wrong. I'm really confused. I think I need a second opinion.
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On Tue 03 Jun 2014 at 15:45:16 -0700, Horatio Leragon wrote: From: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk I wish the Debian Reference told us things like this and was available on t'internet. :) I'm puzzled by your weird behavior, Brian. The above statement of yours contradicts what you advised me earlier in 2 replies of 1 June and 1 reply of 2 June 2014. In the latter your advice for me was to look up the man interfaces and Debian Reference Manual. Life is full of apparent contradictions Now in the latest reply, you admitted that the Debian Reference is deficient: I wish the Debian Reference told us things like this and was available on t'internet. :) You would have to read chapter 5 of the Reference. Concentrate on the dhcp part. It'd basically two lines in /etc/network/interfaces. We are looking forward to the outcome when you visit your friend, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/04062014000230.a2d70903a...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On 6/3/2014 7:05 PM, Horatio Leragon wrote: *From:* Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com *To:* debian-user@lists.debian.org *Sent:* Wednesday, June 4, 2014 4:43 AM *Subject:* Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? Thanks, Bob, for the detailed explanation and tips. That assumes you have that hardware. Other hardware will show up with their own id strings. Sorry, I don't understand. What do you mean by That assumes you have that hardware ? I have the network card installed in my machine. Better to use allow-hotplug there instead of auto. Do you mean: allow-hotplug eth0 There isn't a dhcpcd command in Debian. You must be using a different system with the above notes. The above command is copied from the following guide: http://debianletters.blogspot.com/2008/01/howto-simply-configure-network-card-in.html You have me confused. Either you are right or the writer of the said guide is wrong. On Debian that would be isc-dhcp-client. The writer of the guide states that it (the guide) is for Debian users. And you're telling me he's wrong. I'm really confused. I think I need a second opinion. Maybe you need to look at current information. The blog you reference is over 6 years old. A lot has changed since then! But once again, I forgot. You refuse to learn. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/538e7afa.5030...@attglobal.net
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On Sun 01 Jun 2014 at 17:01:04 -0700, Horatio Leragon wrote: Did you mean that at the console, tty1, I type the following command? sudo apt-get install network-manager The installed NetworkManager package will auto-configure my laptop computer for me? It will get installed with Gnome and should be available from a menu. By the way I have a thorough look at man interfaces. It contains heaps of commands and options but no examples for beginners on how to use them. The final two paragraphs. The Debian Reference manual is in the Documentation section on www.debian.org. Brian, not everyone has a computer science or IT degree. That makes two of us. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/02062014084841.d94b3a2c2...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote (Sun, 1 Jun 2014 19:49:34 +0100): On Sun 01 Jun 2014 at 19:57:34 +0200, hoh...@arcor.de wrote: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote (Sun, 1 Jun 2014 14:15:25 +0100): On Sun 01 Jun 2014 at 05:06:33 -0700, Horatio Leragon wrote: Below is a scenario: 1. I do not have internet access during installation of Debian. The install routine will skip the steps of auto-configuring my network adapter. 2. After installation, I am able to find a place where internet access is available. 3. What are the commands to type to tell my installed Debian to auto-configure my network adapter? 4. Do I have to type the commands in a console tty1 or Gnome3 environment? If you have GNOME you'd be as well using the software it provides, Network Manager. Otherwise there is interfaces(5) (man interfaces). It has oodles of examples to look at. Note: network adapters defined in /etc/network/interfaces (interface(5)) will be ignored by Network Manager. Both of us are cabable of reading https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager#Wired_Networks_are_Unmanaged As of Debian 6.0 Squeeze, NetworkManager does not manage any interface defined in /etc/network/interfaces by default. Unmanaged devices means NetworkManager doesn't handle those network devices. This occurs when two conditions are met: I'll let you decide whether you need to modify your statement or the wiki to conform with reality. So listen: SW and websites are artificial and subject to continuous change, not reality. Lach. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140602224707.4b254...@bivalve.fritz.box
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On Sun, 1 Jun 2014 17:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Horatio Leragon hlera...@yahoo.com wrote: Did you mean that at the console, tty1, I type the following command? sudo apt-get install network-manager If you didn't unselect Desktop Environment during install, it's already installed. What do the terms iface, mapping, allow-hotplug eth1, iface lo inet loopback, up flush-mail mean? Brian, not everyone has a computer science or IT degree. Read some basic introduction about basic networking terms. Then you could read some basic introduction to Linux networking. For your current problem, you didn't provide us enough information. We don't even know if your network cable is pluged in or you expect to be cnnected by wireless. Regards -- http://markorandjelovic.hopto.org Please make your donation for humanitarian aid for flood victims in Serbia: http://www.floodrelief.gov.rs/eng/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140603062243.5dc1a...@eunet.rs
Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
Below is a scenario: 1. I do not have internet access during installation of Debian. The install routine will skip the steps of auto-configuring my network adapter. 2. After installation, I am able to find a place where internet access is available. 3. What are the commands to type to tell my installed Debian to auto-configure my network adapter? 4. Do I have to type the commands in a console tty1 or Gnome3 environment?
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On Sun 01 Jun 2014 at 05:06:33 -0700, Horatio Leragon wrote: Below is a scenario: 1. I do not have internet access during installation of Debian. The install routine will skip the steps of auto-configuring my network adapter. 2. After installation, I am able to find a place where internet access is available. 3. What are the commands to type to tell my installed Debian to auto-configure my network adapter? 4. Do I have to type the commands in a console tty1 or Gnome3 environment? If you have GNOME you'd be as well using the software it provides, Network Manager. Otherwise there is interfaces(5) (man interfaces). It has oodles of examples to look at. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/01062014141110.92455ef64...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote (Sun, 1 Jun 2014 14:15:25 +0100): On Sun 01 Jun 2014 at 05:06:33 -0700, Horatio Leragon wrote: Below is a scenario: 1. I do not have internet access during installation of Debian. The install routine will skip the steps of auto-configuring my network adapter. 2. After installation, I am able to find a place where internet access is available. 3. What are the commands to type to tell my installed Debian to auto-configure my network adapter? 4. Do I have to type the commands in a console tty1 or Gnome3 environment? If you have GNOME you'd be as well using the software it provides, Network Manager. Otherwise there is interfaces(5) (man interfaces). It has oodles of examples to look at. Note: network adapters defined in /etc/network/interfaces (interface(5)) will be ignored by Network Manager. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140601195734.4ce52...@bivalve.fritz.box
