Re: having high cpu problem related to kernel version

2022-01-03 Thread _ djdisodo
I found that this is a bug of kernel module "rtl8723ae"
and it also happens on kernel 5.10
i wasn't able to pin it out because i updated packages right after i
installed it
i was able to find related thread on askubuntu
https://askubuntu.com/questions/846830/irq-from-realtek-wifi-are-loading-cpu
typed `modprobe -r rtl8723ae` and cpu gone back to normal

i wasn't able to find any solution to this

this one, i  guess
https://github.com/torvalds/linux/tree/master/drivers/net/wireless/realtek/rtlwifi/rtl8723ae

2022년 1월 3일 (월) 오전 3:29, Nicholas Geovanis 님이 작성:

>
>
> On Fri, Dec 31, 2021, 4:27 PM _ djdisodo  wrote:
>
>> note that i'm using debian sid and xfce4
>>
>> it shows full of red bars on htop on one of the core between two(i
>> have atom n455 cpu)
>> iirc red bars means kernel threads
>>
>> i've tested using debian's boot menu so only thing changed is kernel
>> version
>> it was fine on kernel 5.10 it's happening on kernel 5.14 and 5.15
>>
>> i don't know exactly how to represent, but it isn't hard to if i just
>> do something like browsing or reading pdf it just starts to happen and
>> never stops even after i close all apps or log out
>>
>> https://asciinema.org/a/xTXqyZhg06enfrcHbuhasGJrm
>> https://asciinema.org/a/y0klCFDWSOsjjAQTUHlHM84mq
>>
>> 1st link is when it's fine(right after boot)
>>
>> 2nd link is when it happens
>>
>> there is no difference on application running between two
>>
>> xserver is unrelated it's high cpu usage is just because of more
>> updates on htop screen
>>
>
> And I think to get a better reading of the system state, you have to
> reduce the frequency of htop updates. Say down to every 3 or 4 secs to
> start.
>
> I don't see what you see in the video recordings you stored. Maybe because
> the top of the screen image you recorded seems to get corrupted towards the
> end of the video. But htop itself is taking 15% of a CPU by then.
>
>
>> if i watch htop on ctrl+alt+f1 terminal xserver isn't even on the
>> first page but htop still shows high cpu usage
>>
>> https://asciinema.org/a/l81ZO3hSHbA4jLm6fwLlIrfUS
>> recorded on ctrl+alt+f1 terminal
>> ran htop as root and enabled to show kernel threads
>> tho cpu usage of kernel threads aren't being displayed
>>
>>


Re: having high cpu problem related to kernel version

2022-01-02 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Fri, Dec 31, 2021, 4:27 PM _ djdisodo  wrote:

> note that i'm using debian sid and xfce4
>
> it shows full of red bars on htop on one of the core between two(i
> have atom n455 cpu)
> iirc red bars means kernel threads
>
> i've tested using debian's boot menu so only thing changed is kernel
> version
> it was fine on kernel 5.10 it's happening on kernel 5.14 and 5.15
>
> i don't know exactly how to represent, but it isn't hard to if i just
> do something like browsing or reading pdf it just starts to happen and
> never stops even after i close all apps or log out
>
> https://asciinema.org/a/xTXqyZhg06enfrcHbuhasGJrm
> https://asciinema.org/a/y0klCFDWSOsjjAQTUHlHM84mq
>
> 1st link is when it's fine(right after boot)
>
> 2nd link is when it happens
>
> there is no difference on application running between two
>
> xserver is unrelated it's high cpu usage is just because of more
> updates on htop screen
>

And I think to get a better reading of the system state, you have to reduce
the frequency of htop updates. Say down to every 3 or 4 secs to start.

I don't see what you see in the video recordings you stored. Maybe because
the top of the screen image you recorded seems to get corrupted towards the
end of the video. But htop itself is taking 15% of a CPU by then.


> if i watch htop on ctrl+alt+f1 terminal xserver isn't even on the
> first page but htop still shows high cpu usage
>
> https://asciinema.org/a/l81ZO3hSHbA4jLm6fwLlIrfUS
> recorded on ctrl+alt+f1 terminal
> ran htop as root and enabled to show kernel threads
> tho cpu usage of kernel threads aren't being displayed
>
>


having high cpu problem related to kernel version

2021-12-31 Thread _ djdisodo
note that i'm using debian sid and xfce4

it shows full of red bars on htop on one of the core between two(i
have atom n455 cpu)
iirc red bars means kernel threads

i've tested using debian's boot menu so only thing changed is kernel version
it was fine on kernel 5.10 it's happening on kernel 5.14 and 5.15

i don't know exactly how to represent, but it isn't hard to if i just
do something like browsing or reading pdf it just starts to happen and
never stops even after i close all apps or log out

https://asciinema.org/a/xTXqyZhg06enfrcHbuhasGJrm
https://asciinema.org/a/y0klCFDWSOsjjAQTUHlHM84mq

1st link is when it's fine(right after boot)

2nd link is when it happens

there is no difference on application running between two

xserver is unrelated it's high cpu usage is just because of more
updates on htop screen

if i watch htop on ctrl+alt+f1 terminal xserver isn't even on the
first page but htop still shows high cpu usage

https://asciinema.org/a/l81ZO3hSHbA4jLm6fwLlIrfUS
recorded on ctrl+alt+f1 terminal
ran htop as root and enabled to show kernel threads
tho cpu usage of kernel threads aren't being displayed



Re: 64bit ext4 and kernel version compatibility

2020-01-09 Thread R. Ramesh

On 1/9/20 2:02 AM, Klaus Singvogel wrote:

R. Ramesh wrote:

I want to make sure
that my current kernel version does not have any limitation to support 64bit
ext4.

Please consult the Kernel Wiki regarding Ext4:

https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page

You will notice that Linux 2.6.28 was the first suppored kernel with ext4,
which was released a quiet long time ago (around 2009). As your
distribution is running 3.13.0-132-generic, the support of ext4 should be
no problem (never tested it to be 100% sure).

Another important information I was missing of: the machine architecture
of your processor; whether you're running a 64bit kernel or 32bit kernel.

"uname -m" will tell you, if you have 64bit, like in "x86_64", or not.

I'm very unsure, if your processor is able to address such files. PAE
extension (32 bit) of Intel architecture supports it, but not sure about
other archs, like Raspberry Pi v1 has.

Nevertheless, I stronlgy recommend to upgrade to 16.04 LTS or better, if
this machine connects or is connectable from the internet, due to security
reasons.

Regards,
Klaus.

Klaus,

  Thanks for your help. The last time I tried to upgrade to 16.04, my 
mythtv broke. I am sure I made some mistakes. I will ry once 20.04 is 
released to do a fresh install rather than upgrade from 14.04. That way 
I will manually install mythtv and do a database backup and restore. I 
have been lazy and not doing it right. This time I will be more thorough.


  May be I should delay 64bit conversion until then. Let me see, if I 
can manage delaying it till summer.


Regards
Ramesh



Re: Re: 64bit ext4 and kernel version compatibility

2020-01-09 Thread R. Ramesh

On Thu, Jan 09, 2020 at 05:06:29PM +, Tixy wrote:
> On Thu, 2020-01-09 at 14:35 +0300, Reco wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 08, 2020 at 06:08:16PM -0600, R. Ramesh wrote:
> > > Before I get the source and build and update e2fsprogs and then the
> > > file system, I want to make sure that my current kernel version does
> > > not have any limitation to support 64bit ext4.
> > 
> > You kernel should support the feature, as it was introduced back at the

> > version 3.6 of the kernel - [1].
> > 
> > [1] https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Metadata_Checksums
> 
> That web page is talking about metadata checksums I can't see anything

> about '64-bit'.

Let me read it for you (note kernel version):

Install Linux 3.6+ and e2fsprogs 1.43-WIP.
modprobe crc32c-intel
mkfs.ext4 -O metadata_csum,64bit /dev/path/to/disk


To enable "metadata_csum" in its full glory one needs to enable "64bit"
fs feature:

In a perfect world, one could simply enable metadata checksums ...
Therefore, it is best to start by formatting a fresh
filesystem with 64-bit support enabled ...


>What I'm assuming the OP is interested is 64-bit block numbers because
>they said they want to "convert ext4 fs on this server to 64bit so that
>I can grow it past 16TB limit". Note from me, 4kB sized blocks * 2^32 =
>16TB, so block numbers whould need to be more than 32-bit for bigger
>drives.

Same page says:

Therefore, it is best to start by formatting a fresh filesystem with
64-bit support enabled, since it is not possible to upgrade a 32-bit
filesystem to a 64-bit filesystem.


So if "convert" = "mkfs", then OP is fully set.
But then again, it's nothing that can't be solved by pre-existing
backup.

Reco


Reco,

  Thanks for the details. I do not know why, for a moment I thought 3.6 
> 3.13 (must have been treating version numbers as floating point 
numbers :-)


  No I do not plan to convert/grow in place. I have 2x8tb disks (and 
several other 4TB disks) for making backup. I will back up each md that 
is less than 16TB (separately) and make them 64bit first. After that I 
will grow them as needed.


Regards
Ramesh



Re: 64bit ext4 and kernel version compatibility

2020-01-09 Thread Reco
On Thu, Jan 09, 2020 at 05:06:29PM +, Tixy wrote:
> On Thu, 2020-01-09 at 14:35 +0300, Reco wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 08, 2020 at 06:08:16PM -0600, R. Ramesh wrote:
> > > Before I get the source and build and update e2fsprogs and then the
> > > file system, I want to make sure that my current kernel version does
> > > not have any limitation to support 64bit ext4.
> > 
> > You kernel should support the feature, as it was introduced back at the
> > version 3.6 of the kernel - [1].
> > 
> > [1] https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Metadata_Checksums
> 
> That web page is talking about metadata checksums I can't see anything
> about '64-bit'.

Let me read it for you (note kernel version):

Install Linux 3.6+ and e2fsprogs 1.43-WIP.
modprobe crc32c-intel
mkfs.ext4 -O metadata_csum,64bit /dev/path/to/disk


To enable "metadata_csum" in its full glory one needs to enable "64bit"
fs feature:

In a perfect world, one could simply enable metadata checksums ...
Therefore, it is best to start by formatting a fresh
filesystem with 64-bit support enabled ...


>What I'm assuming the OP is interested is 64-bit block numbers because
>they said they want to "convert ext4 fs on this server to 64bit so that
>I can grow it past 16TB limit". Note from me, 4kB sized blocks * 2^32 =
>16TB, so block numbers whould need to be more than 32-bit for bigger
>drives.

Same page says:

Therefore, it is best to start by formatting a fresh filesystem with
64-bit support enabled, since it is not possible to upgrade a 32-bit
filesystem to a 64-bit filesystem.


So if "convert" = "mkfs", then OP is fully set.
But then again, it's nothing that can't be solved by pre-existing
backup.

Reco



Re: 64bit ext4 and kernel version compatibility

2020-01-09 Thread Tixy
On Thu, 2020-01-09 at 14:35 +0300, Reco wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 08, 2020 at 06:08:16PM -0600, R. Ramesh wrote:
> > Before I get the source and build and update e2fsprogs and then the
> > file system, I want to make sure that my current kernel version does
> > not have any limitation to support 64bit ext4.
> 
> You kernel should support the feature, as it was introduced back at the
> version 3.6 of the kernel - [1].
> 
> Reco
> 
> [1] https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Metadata_Checksums

That web page is talking about metadata checksums I can't see anything
about '64-bit'. What I'm assuming the OP is interested is 64-bit block
numbers because they said they want to "convert ext4 fs on this server
to 64bit so that I can grow it past 16TB limit". Note from me, 4kB
sized blocks * 2^32 = 16TB, so block numbers whould need to be more
than 32-bit for bigger drives.

-- 
Tixy



Re: 64bit ext4 and kernel version compatibility

2020-01-09 Thread Reco
Hi.

On Wed, Jan 08, 2020 at 06:08:16PM -0600, R. Ramesh wrote:
> Before I get the source and build and update e2fsprogs and then the
> file system, I want to make sure that my current kernel version does
> not have any limitation to support 64bit ext4.

You kernel should support the feature, as it was introduced back at the
version 3.6 of the kernel - [1].

Reco

[1] https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Metadata_Checksums



Re: 64bit ext4 and kernel version compatibility

2020-01-09 Thread Tixy
On Thu, 2020-01-09 at 09:02 +0100, Klaus Singvogel wrote:
> R. Ramesh wrote:
> > I want to make sure
> > that my current kernel version does not have any limitation to support 64bit
> > ext4.
> 
> Please consult the Kernel Wiki regarding Ext4:
> 
>   https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page
> 
> You will notice that Linux 2.6.28 was the first suppored kernel with ext4,
> which was released a quiet long time ago (around 2009). As your
> distribution is running 3.13.0-132-generic, the support of ext4 should be
> no problem (never tested it to be 100% sure).

But features keep getting added to filesystems as time goes by and it's
quite possible that support for 64-bit block numbers wasn't included
from the start. The man page for e2fsprogs says this about the '64bit'
option: "Note that some older kernels and older versions of e2fsprogs
will not support file systems with this ext4 feature enabled"

-- 
Tixy



Re: 64bit ext4 and kernel version compatibility

2020-01-09 Thread Klaus Singvogel
R. Ramesh wrote:
> I want to make sure
> that my current kernel version does not have any limitation to support 64bit
> ext4.

Please consult the Kernel Wiki regarding Ext4:

https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page

You will notice that Linux 2.6.28 was the first suppored kernel with ext4,
which was released a quiet long time ago (around 2009). As your
distribution is running 3.13.0-132-generic, the support of ext4 should be
no problem (never tested it to be 100% sure).

Another important information I was missing of: the machine architecture
of your processor; whether you're running a 64bit kernel or 32bit kernel.

"uname -m" will tell you, if you have 64bit, like in "x86_64", or not.

I'm very unsure, if your processor is able to address such files. PAE
extension (32 bit) of Intel architecture supports it, but not sure about
other archs, like Raspberry Pi v1 has.

Nevertheless, I stronlgy recommend to upgrade to 16.04 LTS or better, if
this machine connects or is connectable from the internet, due to security
reasons.

Regards,
Klaus.
-- 
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GnuPG-Key-ID: 1024R/5068792D  1994-06-27



64bit ext4 and kernel version compatibility

2020-01-08 Thread R. Ramesh

Hi,

  On my DVR, I am running fairly old version of kernel 
(3.13.0-132-generic, mythbuntu 14.04.5 LTS). I want to convert ext4 fs 
on this server to 64bit so that I can grow it past 16TB limit. At that 
time of installation (2014), e2fsprogs did not support 64bit fs.  Now it 
does. Before I get the source and build and update e2fsprogs and then 
the file system, I want to make sure that my current kernel version does 
not have any limitation to support 64bit ext4.   My google searches do 
not mention any kernel limitations. I think this is due to my inability 
to ask the right question to google. Appreciate any help I can get on 
answering my question.


At this time it is difficult for me to upgrade the kernel without 
updating the distribution (and hence mythtv) and that path is beyond me 
at this time due to time constraints.


Ramesh



Re: Re: Which kernel version (and sub-version) do I have?

2017-03-13 Thread Georg Stillfried

Yes.  Two of the above.

You are running Debian kernel 3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3 which is compatible
with the kernel ABI used in Debian kernel *package* 3.16.0-4-686-pae.



https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2016-5195  confirms
that you want 3.16.36-1+deb8u2.


Thank you for your quick reply!



Re: Which kernel version (and sub-version) do I have?

2017-03-13 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 10:18:03PM +0100, Georg Stillfried wrote:
> can someone please help me find out which kernel version (and 
> sub-version) I have?

uname -a

> $ uname -v
> #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3 (2016-07-02)
> 
> $ uname -r
> 3.16.0-4-686-pae

Or that.  It's the same as uname -a, just in pieces.

> So is the kernel version of my system 3.16.7, 3.16.0 or 3.16.63?

Yes.  Two of the above.

You are running Debian kernel 3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3 which is compatible
with the kernel ABI used in Debian kernel *package* 3.16.0-4-686-pae.

> (Backgroud: I wanted to find out whether the Dirty COW bug was fixed in 
> my system.

No, not yet.

> According to
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_COW#Remedies_and_recourse, it is 
> fixed from version 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 onwards.)

You are running a kernel that is older than this.  If you have
installed a newer kernel, you have not yet rebooted into it.

https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2016-5195 confirms
that you want 3.16.36-1+deb8u2.  (Best not to rely 100% on wikipedia
without verification.)



Which kernel version (and sub-version) do I have?

2017-03-13 Thread Georg Stillfried

Hello,

can someone please help me find out which kernel version (and 
sub-version) I have? Don't scould, I have done the search on Google and 
in the Debian documentation on how to find one's kernel version, but I 
am confused by the results:


$ uname -v
#1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3 (2016-07-02)

$ uname -r
3.16.0-4-686-pae

$ apt-cache show linux-image-686-pae
Package: linux-image-686-pae
Source: linux-latest (63)
Version: 3.16+63
[...]

So is the kernel version of my system 3.16.7, 3.16.0 or 3.16.63?

(Backgroud: I wanted to find out whether the Dirty COW bug was fixed in 
my system. According to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_COW#Remedies_and_recourse, it is 
fixed from version 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 onwards.)


Kind greetings,
Georg



Re: Defferences in kernel version and kernel release

2017-01-14 Thread Sven Hartge
Stefan Monnier <monn...@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:

>> This is what is called the Kernel-ABI. All modules compiled for
>> "3.16.0-4-amd64" will be compatible with all kernels providing this.

> I had kind of figured that out, but one thing still puzzles me: why
> isn't it "3.16-4-amd64"?  I mean, all those versions seem to always
> have a ".0" which is unused.

>From https://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-versions.html:

,
| Many programs parse the kernel version string reported by the uname
| system call or command and expect to find at least 3 version components
| separated by dots. For compatibility, the official kernel packages
| currently add '.0' to the upstream version.
`

Grüße,
Sven

-- 
Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.



Re: Defferences in kernel version and kernel release

2017-01-14 Thread Stefan Monnier
> This is what is called the Kernel-ABI. All modules compiled for
> "3.16.0-4-amd64" will be compatible with all kernels providing this.

I had kind of figured that out, but one thing still puzzles me: why
isn't it "3.16-4-amd64"?  I mean, all those versions seem to always have
a ".0" which is unused.


Stefan



Re: Defferences in kernel version and kernel release

2017-01-14 Thread Sven Hartge
solitone <solit...@mail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, January 14, 2017 1:12:52 PM CET Sven Hartge wrote:

>> This is the real kernel version.

> Hi Sven, and thanks for your explanation. This means that
> 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 is based on the following official version?

> https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v3.x/linux-3.16.36.tar.gz

Yes. Plus a multitude of patches, fixes, improvements and sometimes
backported code from newer Kernels.

Grüße,
S°

-- 
Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.



Re: Defferences in kernel version and kernel release

2017-01-14 Thread solitone
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 1:12:52 PM CET Sven Hartge wrote:
> > uname -v
> > #1 SMP Debian 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 (2016-10-19)
> 
> This is the real kernel version.

Hi Sven, and thanks for your explanation. This means that 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 is 
based on the following official version?
https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v3.x/linux-3.16.36.tar.gz



Re: Defferences in kernel version and kernel release

2017-01-14 Thread Vadim Kolchev
Thanks a lot for the clarification. Very useful info.

14 Янв 2017 г. 14:13 пользователь "Sven Hartge" <s...@svenhartge.de>
написал:

> Вадим Колчев <vadimkolc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Have up-to-date stable Jessie installation and noticed interesting thing.
> > My kernel release is different from kernel-version. Is this okay?
>
> Yes, it is.
>
> > If yes, > why is this so?
>
> > uname -r
> > 3.16.0-4-amd64
>
> This is what is called the Kernel-ABI. All modules compiled for
> "3.16.0-4-amd64" will be compatible with all kernels providing this.
>
> The kernel team aims to keep this ABI as stable as possible to avoid
> the need to recompile all external modules every time a kernel is
> updated.
>
> If the kernel changes in an incompatible way, then this string will be
> changed, for example to "3.16.0-5-amd64", meaning every out-of-tree
> kernel module needs to be recompiled.
>
> > uname -v
> > #1 SMP Debian 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 (2016-10-19)
>
> This is the real kernel version.
>
> S°
>
> --
> Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.
>
>


Re: Defferences in kernel version and kernel release

2017-01-14 Thread Sven Hartge
Вадим Колчев <vadimkolc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Have up-to-date stable Jessie installation and noticed interesting thing.
> My kernel release is different from kernel-version. Is this okay? 

Yes, it is.

> If yes, > why is this so?

> uname -r
> 3.16.0-4-amd64

This is what is called the Kernel-ABI. All modules compiled for
"3.16.0-4-amd64" will be compatible with all kernels providing this.

The kernel team aims to keep this ABI as stable as possible to avoid
the need to recompile all external modules every time a kernel is
updated.

If the kernel changes in an incompatible way, then this string will be
changed, for example to "3.16.0-5-amd64", meaning every out-of-tree
kernel module needs to be recompiled.

> uname -v
> #1 SMP Debian 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 (2016-10-19)

This is the real kernel version.

S°

-- 
Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.



Defferences in kernel version and kernel release

2017-01-14 Thread Вадим Колчев
Hi all,

Have up-to-date stable Jessie installation and noticed interesting thing.
My kernel release is different from kernel-version. Is this okay? If yes,
why is this so?

uname -r
3.16.0-4-amd64

uname -v
#1 SMP Debian 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 (2016-10-19)

Thanks in advance.

Best regards,
Vadim


Jessie Kernel Version

2015-04-27 Thread Grant Albitz
Sorry for the newb question. I am trying to determine the kernel version of 
Jessie. Uname -r produces: 3.16.0-4-amd64

I have seen other references to 3.16.7 however, and I know 3.16.7 was the 
latest 3.16.x. Is 3.16.0-4 really the equivalent of 3.16.7? either way can 
someone explain to me how I would go about verifying without having to ask =).


Re: Jessie Kernel Version

2015-04-27 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 27.04.2015 um 15:05 schrieb Grant Albitz:
 Sorry for the newb question. I am trying to determine the kernel version of 
 Jessie. Uname -r produces: 3.16.0-4-amd64
 
 I have seen other references to 3.16.7 however, and I know 3.16.7 was the 
 latest 3.16.x. Is 3.16.0-4 really the equivalent of 3.16.7? either way can 
 someone explain to me how I would go about verifying without having to ask =).
 

Have a look at
/usr/share/doc/linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64/changelog.Debian.gz
to get the exact version.

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RE: Jessie Kernel Version

2015-04-27 Thread Grant Albitz
Thank you, this confirmed it was linux (3.16.7-ckt9-3~deb8u1)


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Re: Linux kernel version for Jessie

2014-10-27 Thread berenger . morel



Le 27.10.2014 01:12, Santiago Vila a écrit :

On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 10:56:19PM +0200, Georgi Naplatanov wrote:
what kernel version will Jessie have when it became stable ? Is 
there
any chance for newer version than 3.16.x (for example 3.17.x, 
3.18.x).


Is this important at all? You will always be able to build your own
kernel or use one from backports.


The importance is that, this version of the kernel is not a LTS (but it 
seems that Ubuntu will maintain it anyway...).



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Linux kernel version for Jessie

2014-10-26 Thread Georgi Naplatanov
Hi list,

what kernel version will Jessie have when it became stable ? Is there
any chance for newer version than 3.16.x (for example 3.17.x, 3.18.x).

Kind regards
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Re: Linux kernel version for Jessie

2014-10-26 Thread Sven Hartge
Georgi Naplatanov go...@oles.biz wrote:

 what kernel version will Jessie have when it became stable ? 

3.16.x

 Is there any chance for newer version than 3.16.x (for example 3.17.x,
 3.18.x).

Zero chance: https://bits.debian.org/2014/07/kernel-version-for-jessie.html

Grüße,
S°

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Re: Linux kernel version for Jessie

2014-10-26 Thread Santiago Vila
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 10:56:19PM +0200, Georgi Naplatanov wrote:
 what kernel version will Jessie have when it became stable ? Is there
 any chance for newer version than 3.16.x (for example 3.17.x, 3.18.x).

Is this important at all? You will always be able to build your own
kernel or use one from backports.


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Re: [Fwd: Re: Re: Third-Party Software Needs Non-Debian Format for Kernel Version]

2014-02-24 Thread Thomas Vaughan
 What I'm wondering is whether I can get uname to return the desired
 format by somehow compiling a custom kernel.

 Yes you can, by getting the source code from kernel.org.
 If you simply copy the config from the Debians kernel, then IIRC
 # make-kpkg --initrd kernel-image kernel-headers
 won't use the Debians naming, but name the package and the output for
 uname -r and any string else as the original kernel.org name is.

Thank you very much! That worked well and was easy!

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Re: Re: Third-Party Software Needs Non-Debian Format for Kernel Version

2014-02-23 Thread Kushal Kumaran
Thomas Vaughan tevaug...@gmail.com writes:

 isn't supported per se. But when [the software], or the makefiles, parse 
 the string
  3.12-1-amd64
 they don't get the expected result. If the uname -r were the string
  3.12.9-1
 then parsing it would yield the expected result.
 ---END QUOTE FROM VENDOR---

 Is the reported kernel-version string, 3.12-1-amd64,
 something that I could change by compiling a custom kernel?

 Might a shell script that output the expected string work?

 An appropriately named shell script in the right place in the path
 might take care of uname(1), but I don't see how to take care of
 uname(2), the system call.

 When the vendor says that the software parses the string, I think that
 the software is calling uname().

 So my question is whether there is a way by compiling a custom kernel
 for me to alter what the uname() system call reports.


You can replace functions from dynamically linked libraries using
LD_PRELOAD.  Check using ldd on your third party binary to verify it is
dynamically linked.  A quick search found this fragment of code:
http://www.technovelty.org/c/using-ld_preload-to-override-a-function.html.
That example is replacing getpid with a function that calls the original
getpid and prints a message, but you can use the same trick for uname
and modify the utsname structure to taste before returning.

There are restrictions on what you can LD_PRELOAD, which are covered in
the manpage for ld.so(8).  But as long as you satisfy those constraints,
this should be significantly easier than building your own kernel.

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Re: Third-Party Software Needs Non-Debian Format for Kernel Version

2014-02-22 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-02-22 00:20 +0100, Thomas Vaughan wrote:

 I have downloaded some proprietary software that I want to install onto a
 64-bit Debian machine. The software is written for 64-bit linux, but the
 kernel version reported, for example, by uname (and perhaps by some system
 call that the compiled software uses) is not in a format that the software
 expects.

 ---BEGIN QUOTE FROM VENDOR---
 Its not that
  3.12-1-amd64
 isn't supported per se. But when [the software], or the makefiles, parse
 the string
  3.12-1-amd64
 they don't get the expected result. If the uname -r were the string
  3.12.9-1
 then parsing it would yield the expected result.
 ---END QUOTE FROM VENDOR---

 Is the reported kernel-version string, 3.12-1-amd64, something that I
 could change by compiling a custom kernel?

You could do that, but I would first try to run the software under
setarch x86_64 --uname-2.6 which should let it see a kernel version of
2.6.52-1-amd64.

Cheers,
   Sven


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Re: Third-Party Software Needs Non-Debian Format for Kernel Version

2014-02-22 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 22:58:40 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote:

 abiname shouldn't change should it?


 I wouldn't think so - but I also don't know.  However, if you do change
 something basic like the kernel version, what else will it affect?  You
 might get a kernel which will boot but nothing will run, for instance.

When you install your custom kernel, make sure you keep an old kernel 
around, just in case.

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Third-Party Software Needs Non-Debian Format for Kernel Version

2014-02-21 Thread Thomas Vaughan
I have downloaded some proprietary software that I want to install onto a
64-bit Debian machine. The software is written for 64-bit linux, but the
kernel version reported, for example, by uname (and perhaps by some system
call that the compiled software uses) is not in a format that the software
expects.

---BEGIN QUOTE FROM VENDOR---
Its not that
 3.12-1-amd64
isn't supported per se. But when [the software], or the makefiles, parse
the string
 3.12-1-amd64
they don't get the expected result. If the uname -r were the string
 3.12.9-1
then parsing it would yield the expected result.
---END QUOTE FROM VENDOR---

Is the reported kernel-version string, 3.12-1-amd64, something that I
could change by compiling a custom kernel?

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Re: Third-Party Software Needs Non-Debian Format for Kernel Version

2014-02-21 Thread Glenn English

On Feb 21, 2014, at 4:20 PM, Thomas Vaughan tevaug...@gmail.com wrote:

 isn't supported per se. But when [the software], or the makefiles, parse the 
 string
  3.12-1-amd64
 they don't get the expected result. If the uname -r were the string
  3.12.9-1
 then parsing it would yield the expected result.
 ---END QUOTE FROM VENDOR---
 
 Is the reported kernel-version string, 3.12-1-amd64, something that I could 
 change by compiling a custom kernel?

Might a shell script that output the expected string work?

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Re: Third-Party Software Needs Non-Debian Format for Kernel Version

2014-02-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
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On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 17:03 -0700, Glenn English wrote:
 On Feb 21, 2014, at 4:20 PM, Thomas Vaughan tevaug...@gmail.com
wrote:
 
  isn't supported per se. But when [the software], or the makefiles,
parse the string
   3.12-1-amd64
  they don't get the expected result. If the uname -r were the string
   3.12.9-1
  then parsing it would yield the expected result.
  ---END QUOTE FROM VENDOR---
  
  Is the reported kernel-version string, 3.12-1-amd64, something
that I could change by compiling a custom kernel?
 
 Might a shell script that output the expected string work?

Or link or what ever? I don't understand what the software is doing,
that the output of uname -r doesn't fit to some other string.

More information is needed.

Sure, Debian packages might be named 3.x for kernels 3.x.y, 3.x.z,
3.x.n. I like this, since I don't need to manually fix my manually
customized grub.cfg, when such a kernel is upgraded and especially those
kernels are updated and older versions automatically will be removed,
while kernels build by myself are never touched.


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Re: Third-Party Software Needs Non-Debian Format for Kernel Version

2014-02-21 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 22/02/14 11:03, Glenn English wrote:
 
 On Feb 21, 2014, at 4:20 PM, Thomas Vaughan tevaug...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 isn't supported per se. But when [the software], or the makefiles, parse the 
 string
  3.12-1-amd64
 they don't get the expected result. If the uname -r were the string
  3.12.9-1
 then parsing it would yield the expected result.
 ---END QUOTE FROM VENDOR---

 Is the reported kernel-version string, 3.12-1-amd64, something that I 
 could change by compiling a custom kernel?
 
 Might a shell script that output the expected string work?
 


Or sed?
Or export?
Or, um, more information about what Debian release is being used and the
third-party software. :)


Kind regards

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it for me? ;)


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Re: Re: Third-Party Software Needs Non-Debian Format for Kernel Version

2014-02-21 Thread Thomas Vaughan
 isn't supported per se. But when [the software], or the makefiles, parse the 
 string
  3.12-1-amd64
 they don't get the expected result. If the uname -r were the string
  3.12.9-1
 then parsing it would yield the expected result.
 ---END QUOTE FROM VENDOR---

 Is the reported kernel-version string, 3.12-1-amd64,
 something that I could change by compiling a custom kernel?

 Might a shell script that output the expected string work?

An appropriately named shell script in the right place in the path
might take care of uname(1), but I don't see how to take care of
uname(2), the system call.

When the vendor says that the software parses the string, I think that
the software is calling uname().

So my question is whether there is a way by compiling a custom kernel
for me to alter what the uname() system call reports.

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Re: Re: Third-Party Software Needs Non-Debian Format for Kernel Version

2014-02-21 Thread Thomas Vaughan
 isn't supported per se. But when [the software], or the makefiles,
 parse the string
  3.12-1-amd64
 they don't get the expected result. If the uname -r were the string
  3.12.9-1
 then parsing it would yield the expected result.
 ---END QUOTE FROM VENDOR---

 Is the reported kernel-version string, 3.12-1-amd64, something
 that I could change by compiling a custom kernel?

 Might a shell script that output the expected string work?

 Or link or what ever? I don't understand what the software is doing,
 that the output of uname -r doesn't fit to some other string.

I think that the build system is using the uname(1) command, but the
compiled software is calling the uname(2) system call.

 More information is needed.

I have not very much information, but let's assume the worst: The vendor
has some compiled code that calls the uname() system call.

Is it possible by compiling a custom kernel for me to make what uname()
returns be the format that the vendor desires, something like '3.12.9-1', or
whatever?

 Sure, Debian packages might be named 3.x for kernels 3.x.y, 3.x.z,
 3.x.n. I like this, since I don't need to manually fix my manually
 customized grub.cfg, when such a kernel is upgraded and especially those
 kernels are updated and older versions automatically will be removed,
 while kernels build by myself are never touched.

I'm not sure that I understand. The package name is one thing, but isn't
what uname returns something else?

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Re: Re: Third-Party Software Needs Non-Debian Format for Kernel Version

2014-02-21 Thread Thomas Vaughan
 isn't supported per se. But when [the software], or the makefiles, parse 
 the string
  3.12-1-amd64
 they don't get the expected result. If the uname -r were the string
  3.12.9-1
 then parsing it would yield the expected result.
 ---END QUOTE FROM VENDOR---

 Is the reported kernel-version string, 3.12-1-amd64, something that I 
 could change by compiling a custom kernel?

 Might a shell script that output the expected string work?

 Or sed?
 Or export?
 Or, um, more information about what Debian release is being used and the
 third-party software. :)

If the compiled program calls the uname() system call, then script-related fixes
won't work. I don't have the source to the compiled program.

I'm running Debian testing (jessie).

 Kind regards

And kind regards to you for replying so promptly to my plea for help!

What I'm wondering is whether I can get uname to return the desired
format by somehow compiling a custom kernel.

If so, then any help doing that properly would be appreciated.

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[Fwd: Re: Re: Third-Party Software Needs Non-Debian Format for Kernel Version]

2014-02-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
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Version
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 03:28:15 +0100
Mailer: Evolution 3.10.4 

On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 19:20 -0700, Thomas Vaughan wrote:
 What I'm wondering is whether I can get uname to return the desired
 format by somehow compiling a custom kernel.

Yes you can, by getting the source code from kernel.org.
If you simply copy the config from the Debians kernel, then IIRC
# make-kpkg --initrd kernel-image kernel-headers
won't use the Debians naming, but name the package and the output for
uname -r and any string else as the original kernel.org name is.



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Re: Third-Party Software Needs Non-Debian Format for Kernel Version

2014-02-21 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 22/02/14 13:20, Thomas Vaughan wrote:
 isn't supported per se. But when [the software], or the makefiles, parse 
 the string
  3.12-1-amd64
 they don't get the expected result. If the uname -r were the string
  3.12.9-1
 then parsing it would yield the expected result.
 ---END QUOTE FROM VENDOR---

 Is the reported kernel-version string, 3.12-1-amd64, something that I 
 could change by compiling a custom kernel?

 Might a shell script that output the expected string work?

 Or sed?
 Or export?
 Or, um, more information about what Debian release is being used and the
 third-party software. :)
 
 If the compiled program calls the uname() system call, then script-related 
 fixes
 won't work. I don't have the source to the compiled program.

Aaah - more information makes a difference. Yes - sed won't work with
compiled (though you can often make simple changes in a compiled file
with a binary editor - simpler than NOP hops).

an alias will work.

 
 I'm running Debian testing (jessie).
 
 Kind regards
 
 And kind regards to you for replying so promptly to my plea for help!
 
 What I'm wondering is whether I can get uname to return the desired
 format by somehow compiling a custom kernel.

Long way - try an alias first - it 'should' work fine. (The Debian
promise applies - if it breaks you get to keep both pieces).

 
 If so, then any help doing that properly would be appreciated.

Kind regards


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Re: Third-Party Software Needs Non-Debian Format for Kernel Version

2014-02-21 Thread Jerry Stuckle

On 2/21/2014 9:20 PM, Thomas Vaughan wrote:

isn't supported per se. But when [the software], or the makefiles, parse the 
string
  3.12-1-amd64
they don't get the expected result. If the uname -r were the string
  3.12.9-1
then parsing it would yield the expected result.
---END QUOTE FROM VENDOR---

Is the reported kernel-version string, 3.12-1-amd64, something that I could 
change by compiling a custom kernel?


Might a shell script that output the expected string work?


Or sed?
Or export?
Or, um, more information about what Debian release is being used and the
third-party software. :)


If the compiled program calls the uname() system call, then script-related fixes
won't work. I don't have the source to the compiled program.

I'm running Debian testing (jessie).


Kind regards


And kind regards to you for replying so promptly to my plea for help!

What I'm wondering is whether I can get uname to return the desired
format by somehow compiling a custom kernel.

If so, then any help doing that properly would be appreciated.



I'm not sure if it will work or not - I'm far from a Debian kernel 
expert.  But one thing to consider: are there any packages which require 
the correct Debian format?  If so, what would happen to them if you 
changed it in the kernel?


Jerry


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Re: Third-Party Software Needs Non-Debian Format for Kernel Version

2014-02-21 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 22/02/14 13:35, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
 On 2/21/2014 9:20 PM, Thomas Vaughan wrote:
 isn't supported per se. But when [the software], or the makefiles,
 parse the string
   3.12-1-amd64
 they don't get the expected result. If the uname -r were the string
   3.12.9-1
 then parsing it would yield the expected result.
 ---END QUOTE FROM VENDOR---

 Is the reported kernel-version string, 3.12-1-amd64, something
 that I could change by compiling a custom kernel?

 Might a shell script that output the expected string work?

 Or sed?
 Or export?
 Or, um, more information about what Debian release is being used and the
 third-party software. :)

 If the compiled program calls the uname() system call,

Good point. I should have given that more than a few seconds thought -
and I suspect Jerry has pointed out a simpler way than intercepting sys
calls.

Is the name of the third-party software a secret?


 then
 script-related fixes
 won't work. I don't have the source to the compiled program.

 I'm running Debian testing (jessie).

 Kind regards

 And kind regards to you for replying so promptly to my plea for help!

 What I'm wondering is whether I can get uname to return the desired
 format by somehow compiling a custom kernel.

 If so, then any help doing that properly would be appreciated.

 
 I'm not sure if it will work or not - I'm far from a Debian kernel
 expert.  

Likewise.

http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-versions.html:-
Kernel version

This is the version that appears in kernel messages, filenames,
package names and the output of 'uname -r'. In official kernel packages
it follows the format upstreamversion[-abiname][-featureset]-flavour. It
is not changed for every new package version. The abiname is changed as
explained below.

Many programs parse the kernel version string reported by the uname
system call or command and expect to find at least 3 version components
separated by dots. For compatibility, the official kernel packages
currently add '.0' to the upstream version, but this will be dropped in
wheezy+1.

So it appears to be possible.

 But one thing to consider: are there any packages which require
 the correct Debian format? 

abiname shouldn't change should it?

 If so, what would happen to them if you
 changed it in the kernel?
 
 Jerry
 
 


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Re: Third-Party Software Needs Non-Debian Format for Kernel Version

2014-02-21 Thread Jerry Stuckle

On 2/21/2014 10:04 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote:

On 22/02/14 13:35, Jerry Stuckle wrote:

On 2/21/2014 9:20 PM, Thomas Vaughan wrote:

isn't supported per se. But when [the software], or the makefiles,
parse the string
   3.12-1-amd64
they don't get the expected result. If the uname -r were the string
   3.12.9-1
then parsing it would yield the expected result.
---END QUOTE FROM VENDOR---

Is the reported kernel-version string, 3.12-1-amd64, something
that I could change by compiling a custom kernel?


Might a shell script that output the expected string work?


Or sed?
Or export?
Or, um, more information about what Debian release is being used and the
third-party software. :)


If the compiled program calls the uname() system call,


Good point. I should have given that more than a few seconds thought -
and I suspect Jerry has pointed out a simpler way than intercepting sys
calls.

Is the name of the third-party software a secret?



then
script-related fixes
won't work. I don't have the source to the compiled program.

I'm running Debian testing (jessie).


Kind regards


And kind regards to you for replying so promptly to my plea for help!

What I'm wondering is whether I can get uname to return the desired
format by somehow compiling a custom kernel.

If so, then any help doing that properly would be appreciated.



I'm not sure if it will work or not - I'm far from a Debian kernel
expert.


Likewise.

http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-versions.html:-
Kernel version

 This is the version that appears in kernel messages, filenames,
package names and the output of 'uname -r'. In official kernel packages
it follows the format upstreamversion[-abiname][-featureset]-flavour. It
is not changed for every new package version. The abiname is changed as
explained below.

Many programs parse the kernel version string reported by the uname
system call or command and expect to find at least 3 version components
separated by dots. For compatibility, the official kernel packages
currently add '.0' to the upstream version, but this will be dropped in
wheezy+1.

So it appears to be possible.


But one thing to consider: are there any packages which require
the correct Debian format?


abiname shouldn't change should it?



I wouldn't think so - but I also don't know.  However, if you do change 
something basic like the kernel version, what else will it affect?  You 
might get a kernel which will boot but nothing will run, for instance.


Just a thought.  I always worry about side effects :)

Jerry


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Re: override kernel version with make-kpkg

2013-12-13 Thread Stephen Powell
On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 22:36:02 -0500 (EST), Michael Gulick wrote:
 
 I think my only option if I want automatic upgrades is to keep the 
 abiname constant.  I'm assuming (and I'm not sure whether this 
 assumption is correct) that all the third party modules (primarily 
 nvidia drivers and vmware) will be build by dkms on reboot.  I've been 
 upgrading the kernel manually for a while and haven't had any problems, 
 so I think this is a safe assumption.  I'm not sure if this is the 
 right thing to do however, keeping the abiname the same for new stable 
 releases.  Any thoughts?

To be honest, I really don't know.  What you are trying to do is not
something that any method of building a custom kernel tries to address.
A custom kernel is, by definition, custom.  It is not designed for or
intended for automatic updates.

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Re: override kernel version with make-kpkg

2013-12-10 Thread Michael Gulick

On Mon, 09 Dec 2013 23:13:32 -0500 (EST), Stephen Powell wrote:


If you want to do this, you won't be able to use make-kpkg.  You will
need to do something like make a modified version of the Debian source
package, linux, and build it with dpkg-buildpackage.  But you want to
use upstream sources.  Hmm.  No easy way to get from point A to point B.
I haven't tried make deb-pkg in a while, but I suspect that it includes
the SUBLEVEL in the package name as well.  Give it a try and let me know
what it does on current kernels, will you?


I am trying to backport the latest LTSI 3.10-series kernels onto wheezy, 
so I ended up downloading the latest 3.10 source package from 
wheezy-backports, linux_3.10.11-1~bpo70+1.debian.tar.xz.  This package 
was based on linux 3.10.11, and I am building against 3.10.23.


I stripped out most of the patches that weren't necessary, removed the 
-rt featureset (which involved editing several configuration files), 
updated the abiname in debian/config/defines, ran dch --nmu to edit the 
changelog, and rebuilt using debuild -us -uc.


I changed the abiname to differentiate this version from the upstream 
wheezy backports.  I changed it from '0.bpo.3' to something like 
'0.bpo.mypkg1'.  Also, when editing the changelog (via 'dch --nmu'), I 
set the version to '3.10.23-0~mypkg1~bpo70+1'


This generates debian packages like 
linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.mypkg1-amd64_3.10.23-0~mypkg1~bpo70+1_amd64.deb. 
 My plan what that with future stable releases I would increment the 
abiname, e.g. to '0.bpo.mypkg2', and the version, e.g. to 
'3.10.24-0~mypkg2~bpo70+1'.  Unfortunately it seems the string 
'linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.mypkg1' is used as the package name, which means 
that subsequent builds will have a different package name, and apt-get 
upgrade will not upgrade to the latest version automatically.


I think my only option if I want automatic upgrades is to keep the 
abiname constant.  I'm assuming (and I'm not sure whether this 
assumption is correct) that all the third party modules (primarily 
nvidia drivers and vmware) will be build by dkms on reboot.  I've been 
upgrading the kernel manually for a while and haven't had any problems, 
so I think this is a safe assumption.  I'm not sure if this is the 
right thing to do however, keeping the abiname the same for new stable 
releases.  Any thoughts?




I have a web page on the subject at

   http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/Kernel.htm

You might want to give it a read.  Let me know if there's anything there
that's out of date.


I did come across your site in my searches prior to posting this.  It 
was very helpful, but as you've seen it didn't quite have what I was 
looking for.  I'll read it in depth some more and let you know if I have 
any feedback.


I'd be happy to share more details about how I rebuilt the backports 
package for a newer kernel version.  Let me know if you'd like me to 
send them to you.


Thanks,
Mike


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override kernel version with make-kpkg

2013-12-09 Thread Michael Gulick
Hi,

I'm looking for a way to override the default kernel package versions
generated by make-kpkg.  With 3.0+ kernels, the kernel sublevel (as in
VERSION.PATCHLEVEL.SUBLEVEL), which is incremented when there are stable
updates for a kernel release, is used to generate the package name.  This
produces packages with names like
'linux-image-3.10.22-mycustomversion_amd64.deb'.  Unfortunately this means
you can't upgrade these packages automatically with apt-get because apt-get
thinks this is a new version of the package (instead of just an updated
revision of the existing package version).

I would like to be able to make packages called
'linux-image-3.10-myversion_amd64.deb', or
'linux-image-3.10.0-myversion_amd64.deb', so that these packages can be
automatically upgraded via apt-get and a self-hosted repository.

I'm building against the upstream vanilla kernel.

I've tried editing the toplevel Makefile and setting SUBLEVEL = 0.  While
this does produce packages with version 3.10.0-something, the generated
file include/generated/uapi/linux/version.h now indicates that the kernel
is actually version 3.10.0 instead of 3.10.22.  The stock kernel on wheezy
(3.2.0) seems to have a correct value in version.h regardless of the
package version.

Any thoughts on how this can be done?

Thanks,
Mike


Re: override kernel version with make-kpkg

2013-12-09 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Michael Gulick mgul...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm looking for a way to override the default kernel package versions
 generated by make-kpkg. With 3.0+ kernels, the kernel sublevel (as in
 VERSION.PATCHLEVEL.SUBLEVEL), which is incremented when there are stable
 updates for a kernel release, is used to generate the package name. This
 produces packages with names like
 'linux-image-3.10.22-mycustomversion_amd64.deb'. Unfortunately this means
 you can't upgrade these packages automatically with apt-get because apt-get
 thinks this is a new version of the package (instead of just an updated
 revision of the existing package version).

 I would like to be able to make packages called
 'linux-image-3.10-myversion_amd64.deb', or
 'linux-image-3.10.0-myversion_amd64.deb', so that these packages can be
 automatically upgraded via apt-get and a self-hosted repository.

 I'm building against the upstream vanilla kernel.

 I've tried editing the toplevel Makefile and setting SUBLEVEL = 0. While
 this does produce packages with version 3.10.0-something, the generated file
 include/generated/uapi/linux/version.h now indicates that the kernel is
 actually version 3.10.0 instead of 3.10.22. The stock kernel on wheezy
 (3.2.0) seems to have a correct value in version.h regardless of the package
 version.

The kernel, unlike other packages, has a version included in its name.
For example, util-linux's deb is util-linux_2.20.1-5.5_amd64.deb
whereas the kernel's deb is
linux-image-3.11-2-amd64_3.11.8-1_amd64.deb.

AIUI Debian gets around this by having a linux-image-amd64
metapackage that depends on
linux-image-3.11-2-amd64_3.11.8-1_amd64.deb. When there's a new
version of linux-image-version-amd64 , the version of
linux-image-amd64 is bumped up and depends on it.

# aptitude search --disable-columns -F %c%a%M %p %v %V linux-image
i A linux-image-3.11-2-amd64 3.11.10-1 3.11.10-1
p  linux-image-3.11-2-amd64-dbg none 3.11.10-1
i  linux-image-amd64 3.11+54 3.11+54
p  linux-image-amd64-dbg none 3.11+54
#
# apt-cache show linux-image-amd64 | grep pool
Filename: pool/main/l/linux-latest/linux-image-amd64_3.11+54_amd64.deb
#
# apt-cache show linux-image-3.11-2-amd64 | grep pool
Filename: pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-3.11-2-amd64_3.11.10-1_amd64.deb
Filename: pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-3.11-2-amd64_3.11.8-1_amd64.deb
#
# aptitude search --disable-columns -F %c%a%M %p %v %V
'?reverse-depends(linux-image-amd64)'
i A linux-image-3.11-2-amd64 3.11.10-1 3.11.10-1
p  linux-image-3.11-2-amd64-dbg none 3.11.10-1
#

So you could create a mykernel package (for example) that plays the
same role for your linux-image-ver-myversion.


OT:

There's one thing that I don't understand.

Your kernel package name is linux-image-ver-myversion_amd64.deb
but if you look at a distro kernel deb you'll notice that it has two
_ as above.

In that distro kernel deb, 3.11.8-1 is the version of the deb and
it's set via --revision when using make-kpkg.

The make-kpkg revision default is 10.00.Custom. How are you
overriding this value and making it nil? Does '--revision ' do it?


More or less OT:

kernel-package, and therefore make-kpkg, is considered unmaintained by
the kernel maintainers.


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Re: override kernel version with make-kpkg

2013-12-09 Thread Stephen Powell
On Mon, 09 Dec 2013 15:39:29 -0500 (EST), Michael Gulick wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I'm looking for a way to override the default kernel package versions
 generated by make-kpkg.  With 3.0+ kernels, the kernel sublevel (as in
 VERSION.PATCHLEVEL.SUBLEVEL), which is incremented when there are stable
 updates for a kernel release, is used to generate the package name.  This
 produces packages with names like
 'linux-image-3.10.22-mycustomversion_amd64.deb'.

Actually, the pattern is more like

   linux-image-3.10.22-mycustomversion_3.10.22-1_amd64.deb
 
 Unfortunately this means
 you can't upgrade these packages automatically with apt-get because apt-get
 thinks this is a new version of the package (instead of just an updated
 revision of the existing package version).

You don't use apt-get (or aptitude) to install such a package, you use
dpkg.  For example,

   dpkg -i linux-image-3.10.22-mycustomversion_3.10.22-1_amd64.deb

dpkg treats this as a new package, not an upgrade to an existing package,
that's true.  And for custom kernels, that's probably what you want.

 I would like to be able to make packages called
 'linux-image-3.10-myversion_amd64.deb', or
 'linux-image-3.10.0-myversion_amd64.deb', so that these packages can be
 automatically upgraded via apt-get and a self-hosted repository.

Ah, a self-hosted repository.  OK, in that case, apt-get or aptitude is
what you would use.  Unfortunately, I know of no way to do what you want
to do.  Keep this in mind.  Up until etch, the Debian kernel team used
make-kpkg to produce its stock Debian kernels.  But beginning with lenny,
the Debian kernel team stopped using make-kpkg to produce its stock
kernel packages and went their own way.  But all three levels of the
kernel version name (VERSION, PATCHLEVEL, and SUBLEVEL) were still
used, at first, in the stock kernel version name, just as make-kpkg
does it.  But recently, the kernel team has started forcing the
sublevel to zero in the linux image package name, such as in the
stable kernels, or eliminating it altogether, such as in the
testing kernels.  The actual SUBLEVEL persists in the package version,
but not in the kernel version included in the package name.  That is
a naming convention change for linux kernel images that has been
recently adopted by the Debian kernel team.  make-kpkg still does things
the old way.  It includes the SUBLEVEL in the package name.  There is
an --append-to-version option which can be used to append your own
qualifiers, but no option that I know of to eliminate the SUBLEVEL from
the name.

If you want to do this, you won't be able to use make-kpkg.  You will
need to do something like make a modified version of the Debian source
package, linux, and build it with dpkg-buildpackage.  But you want to
use upstream sources.  Hmm.  No easy way to get from point A to point B.
I haven't tried make deb-pkg in a while, but I suspect that it includes
the SUBLEVEL in the package name as well.  Give it a try and let me know
what it does on current kernels, will you?

I have a web page on the subject at

   http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/Kernel.htm

You might want to give it a read.  Let me know if there's anything there
that's out of date.

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kernel version

2013-08-11 Thread John Lindsay
I have two files, linux_2.6.x_VCP_Driver_Source.zip and 
linux_2.6.x_VCP_Driver_Source.zip. Each 'unzips' to the following files. 
These are Silicon Labs USB drivers.


linux_2.6.x_VCP_Driver_Source.zip   
linux_2.6.x_VCP_Driver_Source.zip



cp210x.c  
cp210x.c
cp210x_gpio_example.c 
cp210x_gpio_example.c
CP210x_VCP_Linux_2.6.x_Release_Notes.txt   
CP210x_VCP_Linux_2.6.x_Release_Notes.txt
Makefile  
Makefile



These are USB drivers to enable me to use a ham radio program (fldigi) 
so I can talk to my radio and transmit digital signals via the rear 
usb port on my ICOM IC-7600. The release notes give me instructions on 
how to install the driver for ubuntu and redhat and I do believe Ubuntu 
is a derivative of Debian which if I follow the following instruction 
should enable me to install that particular driver.



Build instrutions:

Ubuntu:
1. make ( your cp210x driver )
2. cp cp210x.ko to 
/lib/modules/kernel-version/kernel/drivers/usb/serial
3. insmod 
/lib/modules/kernel-version/kernel/drivers/usb/serial/usbserial.ko

4. insmod cp210x.ko


 What I want to know is how do I determine the kernel version of my 
debian 6 system so I can load the correct version?



John


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Re: kernel version

2013-08-11 Thread David Guntner
John Lindsay grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
 
  What I want to know is how do I determine the kernel version of my
 debian 6 system so I can load the correct version?

uname -r will do it.  man uname for more. :-)

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Re: kernel version

2013-08-11 Thread Kruppt
On 2013-08-11, John Lindsay jcl...@sentex.net wrote:
snip
   What I want to know is how do I determine the 
   kernel version of my debian 6 system so 
   I can load the correct version?


 John



run uname -a from a term


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Re: kernel version

2013-08-11 Thread John Lindsay
Thanks for the info -- Running kernel 2.6.x.xx so I know which USB 
driver I need to install


On 11/08/13 01:02 PM, Kruppt wrote:

On 2013-08-11, John Lindsayjcl...@sentex.net  wrote:
snip
   

   What I want to know is how do I determine the
   kernel version of my debian 6 system so
   I can load the correct version?


John


 

run uname -a from a term


   



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Re: Error after booting default kernel version

2012-10-21 Thread Gábor Hársfalvi
2012/10/20 Johan Grönqvist johan.gronqv...@gmail.com:
 2012-10-20 10:44, Gábor Hársfalvi skrev:

 I've used this tutorial -
 http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16t=60019 - yesterday, and
 after reboot the playmouth animation worked but before it arrived
 login screen it showed me a black blank screen with a flashing cursor
 - not mouse - and after more waiting it stayed there too.


 Good! Now you know exactly what edits to what config files that you need to
 undo.



 I reboot after it and start with a previous kernel version number -
 the number ends with 486, not 686 - with Rescue Mode. It started and
 after Ctrl+D - when it needs - it booted the gui succesfully and
 everything worked well.


 So it sounds to me like there is no problem with your system as a whole,
 just the boot config for the 686 kernel.


 I would like to start the computer with the newest available kernel
 version number, what ends with 686, and what were the default when I
 started the system before, but it doesn't work and give me the error
 screen what I mentioned before.

 Please give me help to repair this to boot the computer normally as
 before it was happenned.


 I would:

 Start the system the way you can, via rescue mode.

 Undo the edits you made before. It might be enough to replace

 GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=quiet splash nomodeset
 video=uvesafb:mode_option=1400x1050-24,mtrr=3,scroll=ywrap

 by

 CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=quiet

 Run the same update-initramfs and update-grub commands as you did when
 following the guide.


 Hope it helps

 Johan


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Now you know exactly what edits to what config files that you need to
undo. - Yes, I tried that but nothing helped yet.

the boot config for the 686 kernel. - Where and how could I repair this?


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Re: Error after booting default kernel version

2012-10-21 Thread Johan Grönqvist

2012-10-21 18:34, Gábor Hársfalvi skrev:

2012/10/20 Johan Grönqvistjohan.gronqv...@gmail.com:

2012-10-20 10:44, Gábor Hársfalvi skrev:

Good! Now you know exactly what edits to what config files that you need to
undo.


Now you know exactly what edits to what config files that you need to
undo. -  Yes, I tried that but nothing helped yet.

the boot config for the 686 kernel. -  Where and how could I repair this?





Did you ensure that the line starting with GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in 
/etc/default/grub reads

GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=quiet
and put a # at the beginning of the GRUB_GFXMODE line
then run update-grub2 again (as root or using sudo)?

Did you remove the line uvesafb mode_option=1400x1050-24 mtrr=3 
scroll=ywrap (or similar) from /etc/initramfs-tool/modules

then run update-initramfs -u (as root or using sudo) again?

(I had a typo in the first mail, and I may have one again, but the above 
should describe undoing the edits from the guide.)


I would have expected that your installation would boot normally again 
after that.


Regards

Johan


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Error after booting default kernel version

2012-10-20 Thread Gábor Hársfalvi
Hi,

I've used this tutorial -
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16t=60019 - yesterday, and
after reboot the playmouth animation worked but before it arrived
login screen it showed me a black blank screen with a flashing cursor
- not mouse - and after more waiting it stayed there too.

I reboot after it and start with a previous kernel version number -
the number ends with 486, not 686 - with Rescue Mode. It started and
after Ctrl+D - when it needs - it booted the gui succesfully and
everything worked well.

I would like to start the computer with the newest available kernel
version number, what ends with 686, and what were the default when I
started the system before, but it doesn't work and give me the error
screen what I mentioned before.

Please give me help to repair this to boot the computer normally as
before it was happenned.

Thanks.


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Re: Error after booting default kernel version

2012-10-20 Thread Johan Grönqvist

2012-10-20 10:44, Gábor Hársfalvi skrev:

I've used this tutorial -
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16t=60019 - yesterday, and
after reboot the playmouth animation worked but before it arrived
login screen it showed me a black blank screen with a flashing cursor
- not mouse - and after more waiting it stayed there too.


Good! Now you know exactly what edits to what config files that you need 
to undo.




I reboot after it and start with a previous kernel version number -
the number ends with 486, not 686 - with Rescue Mode. It started and
after Ctrl+D - when it needs - it booted the gui succesfully and
everything worked well.


So it sounds to me like there is no problem with your system as a whole, 
just the boot config for the 686 kernel.



I would like to start the computer with the newest available kernel
version number, what ends with 686, and what were the default when I
started the system before, but it doesn't work and give me the error
screen what I mentioned before.

Please give me help to repair this to boot the computer normally as
before it was happenned.



I would:

Start the system the way you can, via rescue mode.

Undo the edits you made before. It might be enough to replace

GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=quiet splash nomodeset 
video=uvesafb:mode_option=1400x1050-24,mtrr=3,scroll=ywrap


by

CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=quiet

Run the same update-initramfs and update-grub commands as you did when 
following the guide.



Hope it helps

Johan


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Re: New kernel version availability.

2011-12-17 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sb, 17 dec 11, 01:28:59, Sthu Deus wrote:
 
 How do I find out if there is a new version of linux kernel package is
 available? - I mean, having 3.1 installed, to know that 3.2 is
 available?

Beside Camaleón's suggestion, aptitude keeps track of new[1] packages.

You can show the list with 'aptitude search ~N' and clear it with
'aptitude forget-new'. In interactive mode new packages have a dedicated 
section.

[1] new for aptitude means new packages that are available since your 
last 'update'. This might happen because packages have been added to 
repositories you are tracking or just because you added new repositories 
to sources.list.

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Re: New kernel version availability.

2011-12-17 Thread Bob Proulx
Sthu Deus wrote:
 apt-cache search linux-image
 ...
 Is there a more elegant way?

In addition to the ways suggested by others there is also a program to
query the database and provide other useful information.

  apt-show-versions | grep linux-image

Mine shows:

  linux-image-2.6.32-5-686/squeeze-updates uptodate 2.6.32-39
  linux-image-686/squeeze uptodate 2.6.32+29

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New kernel version availability.

2011-12-16 Thread Sthu Deus
Good time of the day.


How do I find out if there is a new version of linux kernel package is
available? - I mean, having 3.1 installed, to know that 3.2 is
available?

For the present I do it by

apt-cache search linux-image

and then look for what is available.

Is there a more elegant way?


PS apt-cache policy linux-image-exact_version shows only updates for
the version - and not a new kernel version s 3.2 vs. 3.1


Thanks for Your time.


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Re: New kernel version availability.

2011-12-16 Thread Brian
On Sat 17 Dec 2011 at 01:28:59 +0700, Sthu Deus wrote:

 How do I find out if there is a new version of linux kernel package is
 available? - I mean, having 3.1 installed, to know that 3.2 is
 available?
 
 For the present I do it by
 
 apt-cache search linux-image
 
 and then look for what is available.
 
 Is there a more elegant way?

w3m -dump http://packages.debian.org/unstable/kernel/ | grep linux-image-3.*pae 
| mail -s kernel images available brian

is about as elegant as it gets here. Could be scripted, of course, and
cron could be in on the act.


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Re: New kernel version availability.

2011-12-16 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 01:28:59 +0700, Sthu Deus wrote:

 How do I find out if there is a new version of linux kernel package is
 available? - I mean, having 3.1 installed, to know that 3.2 is
 available?

If it is available, the upgrade routine will auto-fetch it, as long as 
you have the kernel metapackage installed (for a 64-bits kernel that's 
linux-image-amd64 package).

 For the present I do it by
 
 apt-cache search linux-image
 
 and then look for what is available.
 
 Is there a more elegant way?

apt-get update  apt-get -V dist-upgrade is what I use to run in 
wheezy.

 PS apt-cache policy linux-image-exact_version shows only updates for the
 version - and not a new kernel version s 3.2 vs. 3.1

Anyway, AFAICS the latest available kernel in Debian is 3.1 (testing/sid) 
and 3.2 (for experimental). What branch are you running?

Greetings,

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Re: New kernel version availability.

2011-12-16 Thread Wayne Topa

On 12/16/2011 02:20 PM, Brian wrote:

On Sat 17 Dec 2011 at 01:28:59 +0700, Sthu Deus wrote:


How do I find out if there is a new version of linux kernel package is
available? - I mean, having 3.1 installed, to know that 3.2 is
available?

For the present I do it by

apt-cache search linux-image

and then look for what is available.

Is there a more elegant way?


w3m -dump http://packages.debian.org/unstable/kernel/ | grep linux-image-3.*pae | mail -s 
kernel images available brian

is about as elegant as it gets here. Could be scripted, of course, and
cron could be in on the act.



 apt-cache policy  linux-image-3.*

WT


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Re: get kernel version of chroot

2010-08-16 Thread Hartwig Atrops
Hi.

On Monday 16 August 2010 03:00, T o n g wrote:
 Hi,

 Is it possible to get the kernel version of a chroot system?

 I tried

   chroot chroot_fs uname -r

 but it only reports the kernel version of my current system, not the
 chroot system.

Chroot changes into a different directory structure but does not boot a 
different kernel. uname reports the kernel in use, and that did not change.

regards,

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get kernel version of chroot

2010-08-15 Thread T o n g
Hi,

Is it possible to get the kernel version of a chroot system?

I tried 

  chroot chroot_fs uname -r

but it only reports the kernel version of my current system, not the 
chroot system. 

Any other way?
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Re: get kernel version of chroot

2010-08-15 Thread Stephen Powell
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 21:00:54 -0400 (EDT), Tong wrote:
 
 Is it possible to get the kernel version of a chroot system?

I'm not sure that I understand what question you are really asking.
I am assuming that you have, for example, used a Debian installation
CD as a rescue CD on a system that you do not know what version
of the kernel it normally runs.  You are now running in a chrooted
shell session.  uname -r reports the version of the kernel
that the rescue CD is running, but you want to know what
version of the kernel the target system normally runs.

If that is what you are asking, the easiest way I know to find
out is to look at what kernel image (or images) are stored in
the /boot directory.  If there's more than one, you may be able to
determine what the default kernel is by looking for the boot
loader configuration file, such as /etc/lilo.conf, /boot/grub/menu.lst,
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Re: etch kernel version 2.6.18

2009-09-02 Thread Greg Madden
On Tuesday 01 September 2009, Greg Madden wrote:
 I have a Lenny box running the 2.6.18 kernel. I have the following
 sources added to the Lenny ones:

 deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ etch main contrib
 deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib.

 This gives me kernel version: 2.6.18-5.
 At  http://packages.debian.org/etch; it shows kernel version 2.6.18-6.

 I am using dselect, and I am wondering why the differences in kernel
 version.
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It appears  kernel 2.6.18-6 is available in dselect,  it is just not 
offered as an 'update to 2.6.18-5.

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Re: etch kernel version 2.6.18

2009-09-02 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2009-09-02 08:07 +0200, Greg Madden wrote:

 On Tuesday 01 September 2009, Greg Madden wrote:
 I have a Lenny box running the 2.6.18 kernel. I have the following
 sources added to the Lenny ones:

 deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ etch main contrib
 deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib.

 This gives me kernel version: 2.6.18-5.
 At  http://packages.debian.org/etch; it shows kernel version 2.6.18-6.

 I am using dselect, and I am wondering why the differences in kernel
 version.
 --

 TIA
 Peace

 Greg Madden

 It appears  kernel 2.6.18-6 is available in dselect,  it is just not 
 offered as an 'update to 2.6.18-5.

Because it has a different ABI, the package name differs.  The -5 and -6
indicate the ABI numbers, do not confuse it with Debian revisions.

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etch kernel version 2.6.18

2009-09-01 Thread Greg Madden
I have a Lenny box running the 2.6.18 kernel. I have the following sources 
added to the Lenny ones:
 
deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ etch main contrib
deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib. 

This gives me kernel version: 2.6.18-5. 
At  http://packages.debian.org/etch; it shows kernel version 2.6.18-6.

I am using dselect, and I am wondering why the differences in kernel 
version.
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/lib/modules/kernel-version directory not being removed

2009-08-13 Thread Kushal Koolwal

In a normal scenario, whenever we do:

apt-get purge linux-image-

the corresponding:

/lib/modules/

directory gets removed from the system.

But I noticed that suppose installed some out-of-tree kernel modules and now 
when you try to remove the same kernel (for which you installed out-of-tree 
modules), I get the following error message:

Purging configuration files for linux-image-2.6.30-1-test7 ...
Running postrm hook script /sbin/update-grub.
Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub
Searching for default file ... found: /boot/grub/default
Testing for an existing GRUB menu.lst file ... found: /boot/grub/menu.lst
Searching for splash image ... none found, skipping ...
Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.30-3-bpo50-test10
Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done

rmdir: failed to remove `/lib/modules/2.6.30-1-test7': Directory not empty
dpkg - warning: while removing linux-image-2.6.30-1-test7, directory 
`/lib/modules/2.6.30-1-test7' not empty so not removed.

In the above output I am trying to remove the kernel 2.6.30-1-test7.

I know I can explicitly remove the directory but I would is there any 
configuration file which prevents removed directory which have been tainted by 
adding some additional files/modules which were not part of the original 
package?


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Re: /lib/modules/kernel-version directory not being removed

2009-08-13 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2009-08-13 21:51 +0200, Kushal Koolwal wrote:

 In a normal scenario, whenever we do:

 apt-get purge linux-image-

 the corresponding:

 /lib/modules/

 directory gets removed from the system.

 But I noticed that suppose installed some out-of-tree kernel modules
 and now when you try to remove the same kernel (for which you
 installed out-of-tree modules), I get the following error message:

 Purging configuration files for linux-image-2.6.30-1-test7 ...
 Running postrm hook script /sbin/update-grub.
 Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub
 Searching for default file ... found: /boot/grub/default
 Testing for an existing GRUB menu.lst file ... found: /boot/grub/menu.lst
 Searching for splash image ... none found, skipping ...
 Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.30-3-bpo50-test10
 Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done

 rmdir: failed to remove `/lib/modules/2.6.30-1-test7': Directory not empty
 dpkg - warning: while removing linux-image-2.6.30-1-test7, directory 
 `/lib/modules/2.6.30-1-test7' not empty so not removed.

This sounds logical, since your out-of-tree modules are probably still
there.

 In the above output I am trying to remove the kernel 2.6.30-1-test7.

 I know I can explicitly remove the directory but I would is there any
 configuration file which prevents removed directory which have been
 tainted by adding some additional files/modules which were not part of
 the original package?

No, there is no such configuration file.  A directory cannot be removed
unless it is empty, it is as simple as that.  Or do you mean that the
directory _is_ empty?  In that case, please show the exact command you
typed and the complete output you got.

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RE: /lib/modules/kernel-version directory not being removed

2009-08-13 Thread Kushal Koolwal

 This sounds logical, since your out-of-tree modules are probably still
 there.

Yeah that's right. But why doesn't it (apt-get purge) remove those out-of-tree 
modules also when I try to remove the package? Is there a Debian package rule 
which 
says only remove files which were originally provided by the package and 
hence the
out-of-tree module (which were not a part of the original package (linux-image-)
gets left out and hence the directory is not removed since it is empty?

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Re: /lib/modules/kernel-version directory not being removed

2009-08-13 Thread John Hasler
Kushal Koolwal writes:
 Is there a Debian package rule which says only remove files which
 were originally provided by the package...

Would you expect removing vi to remove all the files you created with
it?  Purge means remove the configuration files that the package
installed in addition to all the other files from the package.
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RE: /lib/modules/kernel-version directory not being removed

2009-08-13 Thread Kushal Koolwal

 Would you expect removing vi to remove all the files you created with
 it? Purge means remove the configuration files that the package
 installed in addition to all the other files from the package.
Agreed, and I am not surprised that this happens. My intent for asking the
question was to know where does that information exists in the package - like
is there some kind of hook or a control file that does take care of this.

Just trying to understand what causes such a mechanism.


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Re: kernel version of debian testing.

2008-12-19 Thread Angus Auld


--- On Thu, 12/18/08, Jan Brosius jan.bros...@skynet.be wrote:

 From: Jan Brosius jan.bros...@skynet.be
 Subject: kernel version of debian testing.
 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 6:55 PM
 Hi,
 
 Does anyone know the kernel version in the latest version
 of debian-testing? I 
 saw on the internet that my hardware (more precisely my
 ethernet card) needs 
 kernel 2.6.27-*.
 
 thanks for any information,
 Jan

Testing is still using the 2.6.26 kernel.

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kernel version of debian testing.

2008-12-18 Thread Jan Brosius
Hi,

Does anyone know the kernel version in the latest version of debian-testing? I 
saw on the internet that my hardware (more precisely my ethernet card) needs 
kernel 2.6.27-*.

thanks for any information,
Jan


Re: kernel version of debian testing.

2008-12-18 Thread Ron Johnson

On 12/18/08 12:55, Jan Brosius wrote:

Hi,

Does anyone know the kernel version in the latest version of 
debian-testing? I saw on the internet that my hardware (more precisely 
my ethernet card) needs kernel 2.6.27-*.


thanks for any information,


$ apt-cache search linux-image | grep ^linux-image | sort

$ uname -r

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Re: kernel version of debian testing.

2008-12-18 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2008-12-18 19:08 +0100, Ron Johnson wrote:

 On 12/18/08 12:55, Jan Brosius wrote:
 Hi,

 Does anyone know the kernel version in the latest version of
 debian-testing? I saw on the internet that my hardware (more
 precisely my ethernet card) needs kernel 2.6.27-*.

 thanks for any information,

 $ apt-cache search linux-image | grep ^linux-image | sort

 $ uname -r

Kind of useless for somebody who is not running Debian yet but rather
considering to install it.

Jan, you're out of luck, 2.6.26 is the latest kernel in Debian.  There
are unofficial repositories with 2.6.27, but you may have some problems
to access them if your network doesn't work.

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Re: kernel version of debian testing.

2008-12-18 Thread Ron Johnson

On 12/18/08 12:26, Sven Joachim wrote:

On 2008-12-18 19:08 +0100, Ron Johnson wrote:


On 12/18/08 12:55, Jan Brosius wrote:

Hi,

Does anyone know the kernel version in the latest version of
debian-testing? I saw on the internet that my hardware (more
precisely my ethernet card) needs kernel 2.6.27-*.

thanks for any information,

$ apt-cache search linux-image | grep ^linux-image | sort

$ uname -r


Kind of useless for somebody who is not running Debian yet but rather
considering to install it.


Isn't he already running Debian?  Doesn't *everyone* already run 
Debian


But seriously, from this page http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages 
you can search for packages.


Specifically, this is what OP needs:
http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-imagesearchon=namessuite=testingsection=all

Of course, since he doesn't run Debian, he doesn't know to search 
for linux-image.  Shame on him!!!



Jan, you're out of luck, 2.6.26 is the latest kernel in Debian.  There
are unofficial repositories with 2.6.27, but you may have some problems
to access them if your network doesn't work.


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Kernel version for Pentium MMX

2008-07-21 Thread Account for Debian group mail

Hello,

We're in the process of upgrading some old computers from sarge to etch.

On one computer (used only as a firewall) it has:

Intel Pentium with F0 0F bug - workaround enabled.
CPU: Intel Pentium MMX stepping 03

Anyway the kernel it is running is:

vmlinuz-2.4.27-4-586tsc for the Pentium-Classic.

My question is, on the upgrade should I install the kernel-image-2.6-386
or the kernel-image-2.6-686? I see no 586tsc.

Thanks,

Ken



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Re: Kernel version for Pentium MMX

2008-07-21 Thread Guillaume Ansanay-Alex
 Intel Pentium with F0 0F bug - workaround enabled.
 CPU: Intel Pentium MMX stepping 03

 Anyway the kernel it is running is:

 vmlinuz-2.4.27-4-586tsc for the Pentium-Classic.

 My question is, on the upgrade should I install the kernel-image-2.6-386
 or the kernel-image-2.6-686? I see no 586tsc.

I'd say install the 386 one. Your CPU is not a 686.

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Re: Kernel version for Pentium MMX

2008-07-21 Thread Steven Jan Springl
On Monday 21 July 2008 22:49, Account for Debian group mail wrote:
 Hello,

 We're in the process of upgrading some old computers from sarge to etch.

 On one computer (used only as a firewall) it has:

 Intel Pentium with F0 0F bug - workaround enabled.
 CPU: Intel Pentium MMX stepping 03

 Anyway the kernel it is running is:

 vmlinuz-2.4.27-4-586tsc for the Pentium-Classic.

 My question is, on the upgrade should I install the kernel-image-2.6-386
 or the kernel-image-2.6-686? I see no 586tsc.

 Thanks,

 Ken

Ken

The Pentium MMX is a 586, you should use kernel-image-2.6-386.

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Re: Kernel version for Pentium MMX

2008-07-21 Thread Henry Luciano

Account for Debian group mail wrote:

My question is, on the upgrade should I install the kernel-image-2.6-386
or the kernel-image-2.6-686? I see no 586tsc.


Wow, this brings back memories (COAST modules anyone?) IIRC the 686 image will 
barf on your Pentium MMX as the Pentium Pro instruction set isn't supported. 
Don't know if it'd be worth looking at linux-image-2.6-486.


Out of curiosity, why hang onto an old Pentium when you can pick up an old 
Athlon or P3 for probably nothing?  Aside from not dumping yet another system 
into the waste stream that is.


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Re: Kernel version for Pentium MMX

2008-07-21 Thread Account for Debian group mail


Henry,


On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Henry Luciano wrote:

 Out of curiosity, why hang onto an old Pentium when you can pick up an old
 Athlon or P3 for probably nothing?  Aside from not dumping yet another system
 into the waste stream that is.

Because this computer was long ago paid for and there for doesn't cost
anything. It is slow as sin but does a good job as a firewall and was our
way to recycle an old worthless machine. It's been working fine as a fire
wall for several years.


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Re: Kernel version for Pentium MMX

2008-07-21 Thread Ron Johnson
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[snip]
 
 Out of curiosity, why hang onto an old Pentium when you can pick up an
 old Athlon or P3 for probably nothing?  Aside from not dumping yet
 another system into the waste stream that is.

Maybe(?) because the CPU heat sink doesn't need a fan, and is
therefore quiet?

And, of course, it's paid for.  Even quieter with a CF-IDE converter.

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Re: updater wants to update to the current kernel version

2008-06-16 Thread Andrew Storm
Thanks for that. At least I know it is not a bug.

Andrew


On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 11:37 -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
 On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 08:24:33PM +1000, Andrew Storm wrote:
  Hi whoever is out there.
  
  I recently installed debian etch in a virtual box vm. Several times
  since then the updater has wanted to update the kernel image to the same
  version as the current kernel, which is 2.6.18-6-k7. I let it do it the
  first couple of times since i was new to debian, but it has become an
  irritation. Does anyone know why this happens? Is it a bug in the
  updater? Can anyone tell me how to stop this behaviour?
  
 
 Hello Andrw,
 
 I sent this to both you and the list given your whoever is out there.
 
 There have been repeated bugs found in the kernel that have been patched
 without changing the kernel version.  So yes, you should continue to
 keep your system up-to-date even if the kernel version stays the same.
 
 I don't know what updater is, since the default package manager on
 Etch is aptitude on which you then run update to see what's new.
 
 I hope this answers your question.
 
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updater wants to update to the current kernel version

2008-06-15 Thread Andrew Storm
Hi whoever is out there.

I recently installed debian etch in a virtual box vm. Several times
since then the updater has wanted to update the kernel image to the same
version as the current kernel, which is 2.6.18-6-k7. I let it do it the
first couple of times since i was new to debian, but it has become an
irritation. Does anyone know why this happens? Is it a bug in the
updater? Can anyone tell me how to stop this behaviour?

Thanks
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Re: updater wants to update to the current kernel version

2008-06-15 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 08:24:33PM +1000, Andrew Storm wrote:
 Hi whoever is out there.
 
 I recently installed debian etch in a virtual box vm. Several times
 since then the updater has wanted to update the kernel image to the same
 version as the current kernel, which is 2.6.18-6-k7. I let it do it the
 first couple of times since i was new to debian, but it has become an
 irritation. Does anyone know why this happens? Is it a bug in the
 updater? Can anyone tell me how to stop this behaviour?
 

Hello Andrw,

I sent this to both you and the list given your whoever is out there.

There have been repeated bugs found in the kernel that have been patched
without changing the kernel version.  So yes, you should continue to
keep your system up-to-date even if the kernel version stays the same.

I don't know what updater is, since the default package manager on
Etch is aptitude on which you then run update to see what's new.

I hope this answers your question.

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Re: Lenny Install CD kernel version. [solved-sorta]

2007-07-18 Thread koffiejunkie

koffiejunkie wrote:

Jeff D wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007, koffiejunkie wrote:
When the installer came up, I hit Ctrl+Alt+F2 for a console, and did 
a uname -a.  It gave me 2.6.18.  This is what I want to check before 
downloading: which kernel the install CD uses, not which kernel it 
installs.


are you sure you have the right one?  The iso I downladed was built 
on the 10th. This is from the boot kernel of it:


No, mine was built today.  I'll look for that one and give it a try.

Thanks!


Ok, that (it's been replaced with 17 July though), does boot off the 
2.6.21, but as luck would have it my notebook died yesterday.  Sigh


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Lenny Install CD kernel version.

2007-07-15 Thread koffiejunkie

Hi guys,

I noticed that even though 2.6.21 is now in the Lenny repos, the install 
CD (well, 13 July, at least) still runs 2.6.18.


Is there any way to check, before downloading, what version of the 
kernel the install CD runs?


Thanks


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Re: Lenny Install CD kernel version.

2007-07-15 Thread Alan Ianson
On Sun July 15 2007 04:38, koffiejunkie wrote:
 Hi guys,

 I noticed that even though 2.6.21 is now in the Lenny repos, the install
 CD (well, 13 July, at least) still runs 2.6.18.

 Is there any way to check, before downloading, what version of the
 kernel the install CD runs?

What install disk are you using? The full install set hasn't been updated in a 
while, but you can get the daily built netinstall or businesscard iso and 
they use sid's kernel if I'm not mistaken.

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/


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Re: Lenny Install CD kernel version.

2007-07-15 Thread koffiejunkie

Alan Ianson wrote:

On Sun July 15 2007 04:38, koffiejunkie wrote:

Hi guys,

I noticed that even though 2.6.21 is now in the Lenny repos, the install
CD (well, 13 July, at least) still runs 2.6.18.

Is there any way to check, before downloading, what version of the
kernel the install CD runs?


What install disk are you using? The full install set hasn't been updated in a 
while, but you can get the daily built netinstall or businesscard iso and 
they use sid's kernel if I'm not mistaken.


http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/


It was the daily build netinstall from 13 July that I downloaded (I 
guess the builds are made US time, so 14 July wasn't out yet).


I checked after booting off the disc - it was 2.6.18


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Re: Lenny Install CD kernel version.

2007-07-15 Thread Alan Ianson
On Sun July 15 2007 07:53, koffiejunkie wrote:
 Alan Ianson wrote:
  On Sun July 15 2007 04:38, koffiejunkie wrote:
  Hi guys,
 
  I noticed that even though 2.6.21 is now in the Lenny repos, the install
  CD (well, 13 July, at least) still runs 2.6.18.
 
  Is there any way to check, before downloading, what version of the
  kernel the install CD runs?
 
  What install disk are you using? The full install set hasn't been updated
  in a while, but you can get the daily built netinstall or businesscard
  iso and they use sid's kernel if I'm not mistaken.
 
  http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso
 -cd/

 It was the daily build netinstall from 13 July that I downloaded (I
 guess the builds are made US time, so 14 July wasn't out yet).

 I checked after booting off the disc - it was 2.6.18

Strange, I used the disc dated July 10 and it booted and installed the 2.6.21 
kernel. Are you sure you burned the iso successfully? 


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Re: Lenny Install CD kernel version.

2007-07-15 Thread Alan Ianson
On Sun July 15 2007 07:53, koffiejunkie wrote:
 Alan Ianson wrote:
  On Sun July 15 2007 04:38, koffiejunkie wrote:
  Hi guys,
 
  I noticed that even though 2.6.21 is now in the Lenny repos, the install
  CD (well, 13 July, at least) still runs 2.6.18.
 
  Is there any way to check, before downloading, what version of the
  kernel the install CD runs?
 
  What install disk are you using? The full install set hasn't been updated
  in a while, but you can get the daily built netinstall or businesscard
  iso and they use sid's kernel if I'm not mistaken.
 
  http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso
 -cd/

 It was the daily build netinstall from 13 July that I downloaded (I
 guess the builds are made US time, so 14 July wasn't out yet).

 I checked after booting off the disc - it was 2.6.18

I used the businesscard iso, maybe there is a difference.


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Re: Lenny Install CD kernel version.

2007-07-15 Thread koffiejunkie

Alan Ianson wrote:

On Sun July 15 2007 07:53, koffiejunkie wrote:

I checked after booting off the disc - it was 2.6.18


I used the businesscard iso, maybe there is a difference.



I'll give that a try, thanks.


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Re: Lenny Install CD kernel version.

2007-07-15 Thread Jeff D

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007, koffiejunkie wrote:


Alan Ianson wrote:

On Sun July 15 2007 07:53, koffiejunkie wrote:

I checked after booting off the disc - it was 2.6.18


I used the businesscard iso, maybe there is a difference.



I'll give that a try, thanks.



for what its worth, i just grabbed both netinst and the buisines card iso 
files from:

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily.new/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/

and both of them contain the 2.6.21 kernel in them.

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Re: Lenny Install CD kernel version.

2007-07-15 Thread koffiejunkie

Jeff D wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007, koffiejunkie wrote:


Alan Ianson wrote:

On Sun July 15 2007 07:53, koffiejunkie wrote:

I checked after booting off the disc - it was 2.6.18


I used the businesscard iso, maybe there is a difference.



I'll give that a try, thanks.



for what its worth, i just grabbed both netinst and the buisines card 
iso files from:
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily.new/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ 



and both of them contain the 2.6.21 kernel in them.


I'm not really concerned with which kernel the installer installs.  I 
need the install CD itself to run the 2.6.21 kernel.


I just tried today's (15 July) businesscard ISO, booted of it with the 
following command:


expertgui vga=0x342

When the installer came up, I hit Ctrl+Alt+F2 for a console, and did a 
uname -a.  It gave me 2.6.18.  This is what I want to check before 
downloading: which kernel the install CD uses, not which kernel it installs.


The reason is that 2.6.21 fixes an ACPI bug that prevents the CPU fan in 
my notebook from working correctly (if at all), amongst other things.  I 
can install and upgrade the kernel, and that works fine, but I have to 
set up power management by hand, mostly.  I want to see if I install of 
a disc running 2.6.21, i.e. it should detect and configure ACPI 
correctly, if it makes any difference to the default setup I get after 
installation.





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Re: Lenny Install CD kernel version.

2007-07-15 Thread Alan Ianson
On Sun July 15 2007 14:10, koffiejunkie wrote:

 I'm not really concerned with which kernel the installer installs.  I
 need the install CD itself to run the 2.6.21 kernel.

 I just tried today's (15 July) businesscard ISO, booted of it with the
 following command:

 expertgui vga=0x342

I wonder if the expertgui option uses the 2.6.18 kernel? I installed with the 
command expert vga=771 and it booted the 2.6.21 kernel.

That may be an oversight..


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Re: Lenny Install CD kernel version.

2007-07-15 Thread Jeff D

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007, koffiejunkie wrote:


Jeff D wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007, koffiejunkie wrote:


Alan Ianson wrote:

On Sun July 15 2007 07:53, koffiejunkie wrote:

I checked after booting off the disc - it was 2.6.18


I used the businesscard iso, maybe there is a difference.



I'll give that a try, thanks.



for what its worth, i just grabbed both netinst and the buisines card iso 
files from:
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily.new/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ 


and both of them contain the 2.6.21 kernel in them.


I'm not really concerned with which kernel the installer installs.  I need 
the install CD itself to run the 2.6.21 kernel.


I just tried today's (15 July) businesscard ISO, booted of it with the 
following command:


expertgui vga=0x342

When the installer came up, I hit Ctrl+Alt+F2 for a console, and did a uname 
-a.  It gave me 2.6.18.  This is what I want to check before downloading: 
which kernel the install CD uses, not which kernel it installs.


The reason is that 2.6.21 fixes an ACPI bug that prevents the CPU fan in my 
notebook from working correctly (if at all), amongst other things.  I can 
install and upgrade the kernel, and that works fine, but I have to set up 
power management by hand, mostly.  I want to see if I install of a disc 
running 2.6.21, i.e. it should detect and configure ACPI correctly, if it 
makes any difference to the default setup I get after installation.





are you sure you have the right one?  The iso I downladed was built on the 
10th. This is from the boot kernel of it:


[install.386]$ strings vmlinuz  |grep 2.6
2.6.21-2-486 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) #1 Mon Jun 25 20:09:51 UTC 2007

I just booted up off of that and it booted up to the 2.6.21 kernel


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Re: Lenny Install CD kernel version.

2007-07-15 Thread koffiejunkie

Jeff D wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007, koffiejunkie wrote:
When the installer came up, I hit Ctrl+Alt+F2 for a console, and did a 
uname -a.  It gave me 2.6.18.  This is what I want to check before 
downloading: which kernel the install CD uses, not which kernel it 
installs.


are you sure you have the right one?  The iso I downladed was built on 
the 10th. This is from the boot kernel of it:


No, mine was built today.  I'll look for that one and give it a try.

Thanks!


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