Re: Hi, I'm using Neptune os. I'm new to Debian. I got it it successfully installsd, how do I setup network?

[David Wright]

On Fri 24 Nov 2023 at 23:52:29 (+), Chris Goody wrote:
> Neptune is based on Debian, I cant also activate my wired connection via USB 
> tethering. It says actives. But not fully on.

My notes say the following:

Connect phone with USB cable. Pull down notifications:
Tap USB,
Tap again for other uses,
Tap USB tethering.

On the computer, ifupdown is installed (the debian-installer default).
Root wrote this file:

  $ cat /etc/network/interfaces.d/tethered
  allow-hotplug usb0
  iface usb0 inet dhcp
  $ 

  # ifup usb0

  $ ip r
  default via 192.168.50.93 dev usb0 
  192.168.50.0/24 dev usb0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.50.231 
  $ 

When finished:

  # ifdown usb0

On the phone, deselect USB tethering button.
(This may require selecting something else, like Charging Only.)
Remove cable.

(Leave ifupdown and interfaces.d/tethered.)

Cheers,
David.

Hi, I'm using Neptune os. I'm new to Debian. I got it it successfully installsd, how do I setup network?

[Chris Goody]

Neptune is based on Debian, I cant also activate my wired connection via USB 
tethering. It says actives. But not fully on.


I use Realtek drivers and rtw89.

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Re: new to debian

[황병희]

>  See here for detailed explanation:
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList

I added five lines, thanks Karthik!

Sincerely, Byung-Hee

Re: new to debian

[Karthik]

On Sun, Sep 5, 2021, 4:15 PM 황병희  wrote:

> Hellow~
>
> Actually i am new to Debian. Especially i did install Debian 11 Bullseye
> udner Chrome OS (ARM64 MT8173 Chromebook).
>
> Before i used Ubuntu 18.04 LTS.
>
> My question is:
> Is this canonical way?
>
> #+BEGIN_SRC: sh
> soyeomul@penguin:/etc/apt$ cat sources.list
> deb https://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye main
> soyeomul@penguin:/etc/apt$
> #+END_SRC
>
> That is only one line.
>
> Are you asking that one line is enough?. If you're then, yeah that one
> line is enough for main repository binary packages


> If you need updates(security and point releases) ,sources and non-free
> packages you need an extra line


> See here for detailed explanation:

https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList

new to debian

[황병희]

Hellow~

Actually i am new to Debian. Especially i did install Debian 11 Bullseye
udner Chrome OS (ARM64 MT8173 Chromebook).

Before i used Ubuntu 18.04 LTS.

My question is:
Is this canonical way?

#+BEGIN_SRC: sh
soyeomul@penguin:/etc/apt$ cat sources.list
deb https://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye main
soyeomul@penguin:/etc/apt$
#+END_SRC

That is only one line.

Thanks for any comments!

Sincerely, Byung-Hee

Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management

[Sven Hartge]

Tanstaafl  wrote:
> On 2014-01-03 9:18 AM, Sven Hartge  wrote:
>>> emerge --pretend -vuDN world
>>> results in a list of all available updates, as well as any dependencies
>>> that would be installed, which I can then pick and choose from. I
>>> usually wait until newly available updates have been available for at
>>> least a few days before installing them, to avoid nasty surprises.

>> apt-get -s dist-upgrade

> Um... it looks like this actually performs the update?

> I want to see what updates would be applied, but NOT apply them yet.

> That is what the --pretend flag in gentoo does (actually the short 
> version is 'emerge -pvuDN world')...

man apt-get:

,
|  -s, --simulate, --just-print, --dry-run, --recon, --no-act
|  No action; perform a simulation of events that would occur but do not 
actually change
|  the system. Configuration Item: APT::Get::Simulate.
`

Grüße,
S°

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Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management

[Pol Hallen]

   #!/bin/sh
   # At least once a day update the index package lists and download
   # pending upgrades.
   {
 apt-get -q update && apt-get -q autoclean && apt-get -q upgrade -d -y && 
apt-get -q dist-upgrade -d -y
   } 2>&1 | mailx -s "apt download output" root
   exit 0


cool! thanks

Pol

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Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management

[Alex Mestiashvili]

On 01/14/2014 12:05 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:

On 2014-01-03 9:18 AM, Sven Hartge  wrote:

emerge --pretend -vuDN world
results in a list of all available updates, as well as any dependencies
that would be installed, which I can then pick and choose from. I
usually wait until newly available updates have been available for at
least a few days before installing them, to avoid nasty surprises.



apt-get -s dist-upgrade


Um... it looks like this actually performs the update?

I want to see what updates would be applied, but NOT apply them yet.

That is what the --pretend flag in gentoo does (actually the short 
version is 'emerge -pvuDN world')...





are there man pages in gentoo :) ?

man apt-get

-s, --simulate, --just-print, --dry-run, --recon, --no-act
   No action; perform a simulation of events that would occur 
but do not actually change the system. Configuration Item: 
APT::Get::Simulate.


   Simulated runs performed as a user will automatically 
deactivate locking (Debug::NoLocking), and if the option 
APT::Get::Show-User-Simulation-Note is set (as it is by default) a 
notice will also
   be displayed indicating that this is only a simulation. Runs 
performed as root do not trigger either NoLocking or the notice - 
superusers should know what they are doing without further warnings

   from apt-get.

   Simulated runs print out a series of lines, each 
representing a dpkg operation: configure (Conf), remove (Remv) or unpack 
(Inst). Square brackets indicate broken packages, and empty square

   brackets indicate breaks that are of no consequence (rare).


Regards,
Alex


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Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management

[Tanstaafl]

On 2014-01-03 9:18 AM, Sven Hartge  wrote:

emerge --pretend -vuDN world
results in a list of all available updates, as well as any dependencies
that would be installed, which I can then pick and choose from. I
usually wait until newly available updates have been available for at
least a few days before installing them, to avoid nasty surprises.



apt-get -s dist-upgrade


Um... it looks like this actually performs the update?

I want to see what updates would be applied, but NOT apply them yet.

That is what the --pretend flag in gentoo does (actually the short 
version is 'emerge -pvuDN world')...



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Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management

[Felix C. Stegerman]

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On 2014-01-05 01:43, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 10:31:35PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>> On Friday 03 January 2014 14:16:34 Brian wrote:
>>> The '-s' can be omitted if more than one package is to
>>> installed.
>> 
>> i.e., if you are requesting more than one package, it will tell
>> you what it is going to install before doing it anyway.  You need
>> the -s for one package, because if you have only asked for one
>> package it otherwise just goes right ahead and installs it.
> 
> I've always looked on it as; if you didn't ask for a particular 
> package to be installed then it won't do it without your
> permission.
> 

Indeed.  I prefer aptitude to apt-get (and I'm assuming their
behaviour regarding installing packages not requested is the same --
correct me if I'm wrong).  When installing the packages you requested
does not result in more packages being installed, it just installs
them; otherwise it prompts.  And aptitude has the -P option to always
prompt.

@Tanstaafl:

Also, the -s option simulates the installation of packages (dry run,
like --pretend w/ emerge).  But if you use aptitude -P, you get a
prompt you can cancel.  Also, aptitude safe-upgrade/full-upgrade
always prompts before upgrading.

Also, aptitude has a TUI (and minesweeper), but no super cow powers
(apt-get moo vs aptitude moo).

The FAQ:
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html,
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkg_basics.en.html.

The Reference:
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_basic_package_management_operations.

The Wiki: https://wiki.debian.org/Apt.

The handbook: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/wheezy/apt.html.

Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Packaging_Tool.

Also, the apt-get and aptitude man pages are pretty comprehensive.

And then there's also dpkg, dpkg-reconfigure, apt-cache, apt-file,
apt-show-versions, apt-listbugs, apt-listchanges, apt-rdepends,
update-alteratives, apt_preferences, debconf, etc.

Enjoy.


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Re: New to Debian (I'm a Gentoo user) - static IP vs DHCP

[Zenaan Harkness]

On 1/6/14, Bob Proulx  wrote:
> Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>> Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>> > Tanstaafl wrote:
>> >> # The primary network interface
...
>> >> network ###.###.###.###
>> >> broadcast ###.###.###.###
>> >
>> > Since you already fixed your issue I'll just comment on your interfaces
>> > file. BTW, there is a man page for it: interfaces(5).
>> > 3. it's safe to get rid of 'network' and 'broadcast', they are
>> > calculated from address and netmask ;)
>>
>> Actually not. Some home adsl modems and routers these days default to
>> 172.XX.. and 10. subnets, and Debian (Linux kernel?) chooses networks
>> such as 255.255.0.0 and 255.0.0.0 and correspondingly for broadcasts.
>
> I think you have misread "network" as "netmask".  The "netmask" is

Ack. My bad :)
Thank you for spotting that.
Zenaan


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Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management

[Stephen Allen]

On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 04:29:59PM -0700, Bob Proulx wrote:
>   apt-get -q update && apt-get -q autoclean && apt-get -q upgrade -d -y && 
>   apt-get -q dist-upgrade -d -y
> 
> 
> 
> Some fun details that may spark some ideas...

Wow! Thanks Bob, some interesting stuff.


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Re: New to Debian (I'm a Gentoo user) - static IP vs DHCP

[Bob Proulx]

Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > Tanstaafl wrote:
> >> # The primary network interface
> >> #allow-hotplug eth0
> >> auto eth0
> >> iface eth0 inet static
> >> address ###.###.###.###
> >> gateway ###.###.###.###
> >> netmask 255.255.255.0
> >> network ###.###.###.###
> >> broadcast ###.###.###.###
> >
> > Since you already fixed your issue I'll just comment on your interfaces
> > file. BTW, there is a man page for it: interfaces(5).
> 
> > 3. it's safe to get rid of 'network' and 'broadcast', they are
> > calculated from address and netmask ;)
> 
> Actually not. Some home adsl modems and routers these days default to
> 172.XX.. and 10. subnets, and Debian (Linux kernel?) chooses networks
> such as 255.255.0.0 and 255.0.0.0 and correspondingly for broadcasts.

I think you have misread "network" as "netmask".  The "netmask" is
needed.  If the netmask is specified then the "network" and
"broadcast" are not.  The program can calculate network and broadcast
from the network setting.  So set only the network and let the other
two be calculated by the program.

It used to be that the debian-installer would create those network and
broadcast entries as examples.  This was because there were
documentation examples showing how all of the options were used.  This
inadvertently caused people reading the documentation to think that
all of those options were needed.  They weren't.

Those examples have been removed and the d-i no longer creates those
entries.  Starting a couple of years ago there has been a push to
clean these up so that they are no longer distributing such examples.

Here is a reference:
  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=630551

And so now seeing "network" and "broadcast" in the file triggers a
motherly cleanup response.  It is dirty.  It needs to be cleaned! :-)

Bob


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Re: New to Debian (I'm a Gentoo user) - static IP vs DHCP

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Du, 05 ian 14, 23:47:32, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> 
> > 3. it's safe to get rid of 'network' and 'broadcast', they are
> > calculated from address and netmask ;)
> 
> Actually not. Some home adsl modems and routers these days default to
> 172.XX.. and 10. subnets, and Debian (Linux kernel?) chooses networks
> such as 255.255.0.0 and 255.0.0.0 and correspondingly for broadcasts.
 
I admit my knowledge is quite sketchy in this area, but this just 
doesn't make sense to me. Could you provide a more concrete example of 
address/netmask and resulting network/broadcast?

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: New to Debian (I'm a Gentoo user) - static IP vs DHCP

[Zenaan Harkness]

On 1/5/14, Andrei POPESCU  wrote:
> On Vi, 03 ian 14, 07:29:52, Tanstaafl wrote:
>> # The primary network interface
>> #allow-hotplug eth0
>> auto eth0
>> iface eth0 inet static
>> address ###.###.###.###
>> gateway ###.###.###.###
>> netmask 255.255.255.0
>> network ###.###.###.###
>> broadcast ###.###.###.###
>
> Since you already fixed your issue I'll just comment on your interfaces
> file. BTW, there is a man page for it: interfaces(5).

> 3. it's safe to get rid of 'network' and 'broadcast', they are
> calculated from address and netmask ;)

Actually not. Some home adsl modems and routers these days default to
172.XX.. and 10. subnets, and Debian (Linux kernel?) chooses networks
such as 255.255.0.0 and 255.0.0.0 and correspondingly for broadcasts.

I always set these to a .../24 version, or occasionally I've even set
them less (to a smaller subnet) eg /28


> 4. If you prefer to keep all network settings in one file you could
> install the package 'resolvconf' and add a 'dns-nameservers' line (no,
> the 's' is not a typo, since you can add more of them, separated by
> spaces).

Agreed. I find this very convenient. Only caveat to manually applied
DNS servers is that if your DNS is otherwise provided by your ISP, and
they change their DNS ip address (has happened to me occasionally)
then obviously the manually assigned addresses must be updated.

Best
Zenaan


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Re: New to Debian (I'm a Gentoo user) - static IP vs DHCP

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Vi, 03 ian 14, 07:29:52, Tanstaafl wrote:
> 
> # The primary network interface
> #allow-hotplug eth0
> auto eth0
> iface eth0 inet static
> address ###.###.###.###
> gateway ###.###.###.###
> netmask 255.255.255.0
> network ###.###.###.###
> broadcast ###.###.###.###

Since you already fixed your issue I'll just comment on your interfaces 
file. BTW, there is a man page for it: interfaces(5).

1. Do you have a specific reason for using 'auto' instead of 
'allow-hotplug'? I doubt you'll see any difference in practice.

2. Indenting makes your file easier to read, e.g.

iface eth0 inet static
address ...
gateway ...
netmask ...

3. it's safe to get rid of 'network' and 'broadcast', they are 
calculated from address and netmask ;)

4. If you prefer to keep all network settings in one file you could 
install the package 'resolvconf' and add a 'dns-nameservers' line (no, 
the 's' is not a typo, since you can add more of them, separated by 
spaces).

This is additional complexity for a machine with a static address that 
rarely changes, but I thought you should be aware of the possibility.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 10:31:35PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Friday 03 January 2014 14:16:34 Brian wrote:
> > The '-s' can be omitted if more than one package is to installed.
> 
> i.e., if you are requesting more than one package, it will tell you 
> what it is going to install before doing it anyway.  You need the -s 
> for one package, because if you have only asked for one package it 
> otherwise just goes right ahead and installs it.

I've always looked on it as; if you didn't ask for a particular
package to be installed then it won't do it without your permission.

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Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management

[Robert Holtzman]

On Sat, Jan 04, 2014 at 09:50:59AM +, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 03 Jan 2014 at 17:21:40 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 09:20:33AM -0800, Carl Johnson wrote:
> > > 
> > > You might want to look into the debian-reference package.  It is also
> > > available on the web at 
> > > http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/.
> > 
> > It looks like most/all this stuff is obsolete.
> 
> What a strange observation, Did you have anything in particular in mind?
> Osamu Aoki is assiduous in keeping the manual current and I'm sure he
> would welcome constructive proposals to improve it.

My mistake. I had been looking at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals and
most of those are marked as obsolete/deprecated, so I made the
assumption that...

Sorry.

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Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management

[Brian]

On Fri 03 Jan 2014 at 17:21:40 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 09:20:33AM -0800, Carl Johnson wrote:
> > 
> > You might want to look into the debian-reference package.  It is also
> > available on the web at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/.
> 
> It looks like most/all this stuff is obsolete.

What a strange observation, Did you have anything in particular in mind?
Osamu Aoki is assiduous in keeping the manual current and I'm sure he
would welcome constructive proposals to improve it.


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Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management

[Nemeth Gyorgy]

2014-01-03 14:44 keltezéssel, Tanstaafl írta:
> In gentoo, I routinely perform pretend updates to see what updates are
> available, so a process like:
> 
> eix-sync
> to synchronizes the local repo with the online one
> 
> eix packagename
> shows all available versions of that package, and what repo they reside
> in (stable, testing, etc)
> 
> emerge --pretend -vuDN world
> results in a list of all available updates, as well as any dependencies
> that would be installed, which I can then pick and choose from. I
> usually wait until newly available updates have been available for at
> least a few days before installing them, to avoid nasty surprises.

For regularly checking updates I use the cron-apt package, actually it
does almost the same as you wish. I configured it to check the updates
(apt-get update), download but not install the updated packages (apt-get
-d dist-upgrade). If there is packages to be updated it sends a mail
with the packagenames to be updated.


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Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management

[Sven Hartge]

John Hasler  wrote:
> Sven Hartge writes:

>> Depending on which version of Debian you installed, you will rarely
>> get any updates at all. Wheezy (7.x) is stable and only get security
>> updates and major bug fixes via point releases about every two
>> months: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases/PointReleases

> Don't wait for the point releases.  You should have security in your
> sources, subscribe to the security list, and do updates as required to
> get security fixes.

Yes, my wording was misleading. I should not try to write technical
English after being awake for more than 30 hours ...

Grüße,
S°

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Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management

[Robert Holtzman]

On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 09:20:33AM -0800, Carl Johnson wrote:
> Tanstaafl  writes:
> 
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I have some questions about how to do certain maintenance tasks in
> > Debian that I do routinely in gentoo.
> ...
> > Is there a decent manual describing basic maintenance tasks like this?
> 
> You might want to look into the debian-reference package.  It is also
> available on the web at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/.

It looks like most/all this stuff is obsolete.

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Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management

[Bob Proulx]

Brian wrote:
> Tanstaafl wrote:
> > eix packagename
> > shows all available versions of that package, and what repo they
> > reside in (stable, testing, etc)
> 
>apt-cache 

Typo: apt-cache show 

> and
>apt-cache policy 
> 
> > emerge --pretend -vuDN world
> > results in a list of all available updates, as well as any
> > dependencies that would be installed, which I can then pick and
> > choose from. I usually wait until newly available updates have been
> > available for at least a few days before installing them, to avoid
> > nasty surprises.
> 
>apt-get upgrade -s
> 
> or
> 
>apt-get dist-upgrade -s
> 
> The '-s' can be omitted if more than one package is to installed.

I find that using "apt-get dist-upgrade -d -y" to be useful too.  It
doesn't install anything but downloads the packages that will be
installed.  It tells me what will be installed while also doing useful
work.

I have a crontab in cron daily so that when I manually install these
then everything is ready and fast and I don't have to wait on the
download part to happen.

  apt-get -q update && apt-get -q autoclean && apt-get -q upgrade -d -y && 
apt-get -q dist-upgrade -d -y



Some fun details that may spark some ideas...

I have a lot of systems to maintain.  Therefore I automate as much as
I can to make things happen for me.  I have the following in
/etc/cron.daily/apt-dist-upgrade-download file:

  #!/bin/sh
  # At least once a day update the index package lists and download
  # pending upgrades.
  {
apt-get -q update && apt-get -q autoclean && apt-get -q upgrade -d -y && 
apt-get -q dist-upgrade -d -y
  } 2>&1 | mailx -s "apt download output" root
  exit 0

The above does not install anything.  But it does update the apt index
files (aka Packages) daily and it automatically downloads the packages
so that things are ready to go when I come to them later.

And it always sends an email from the machine.  This is a heartbeat
for me to keep track of the machine.  If I don't get the email then I
know something is wrong.  So I have cron that looks for missing email.

If you are using procmail it is convenient to have procmail filter out
mail that says nothing needs to be done.  Nothing needs to be done if
the mail says "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not
upgraded."  File those off into a folder per machine.

  :0HB
  * ^Subject: Cron 
  * ^/etc/cron.daily/apt-get-update-download:
  * ^0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
  machines/example/

  :0HBc
  * ^Subject: Cron 
  * ^/etc/cron.daily/apt-get-update-download:
  machines/example/

Then I check that folder by cron.  If I don't have a new message then
I know the machine did not email me and I have to go check it.  If
there is a problem I can check the history in the appropriate mailbox.

  #!/bin/sh
  # Use the daily mail as a keepalive.
  if [ $(find $HOME/Mail/machines/example -type f -cmin -1440 -print | wc -l) 
-eq 0 ]; then
echo "example failed to email us recently"
  fi
  # Prune older messages.
  find $HOME/Mail/machines/example -type f -mtime +30 -delete
  exit 0

The above is for one single machine "example".  I didn't show the
expanded parameterized versions for any machine because that is not as
clear what is happening.  But you get the idea.  Always automate as
much as possible. :-)

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Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 03 January 2014 14:16:34 Brian wrote:
> The '-s' can be omitted if more than one package is to installed.

i.e., if you are requesting more than one package, it will tell you 
what it is going to install before doing it anyway.  You need the -s 
for one package, because if you have only asked for one package it 
otherwise just goes right ahead and installs it.

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Re: Half-OT: New to Debian (I'm a Gentoo user) - static IP vs DHCP

[Zenaan Harkness]

On 1/3/14, Ralf Mardorf  wrote:
> On Fri, 2014-01-03 at 07:29 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote:
>> (Debian and FreeBSD being the top contenders)
>
> There's a Debian BSD port too:
> https://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD

> For servers likely Debian stable is the best way to go, but I don't have
> experiences with this and if you need to compile software from upstream
> you anyway need to switch to testing or unstable.

Not true.

I compiled various software for Debian stable, a few years ago, and
git quite a few times last year, and used to regularly compile new
kernels, and years ago even Ardour, all on Debian stable. git only has
about 10 dependencies though (and a few to build the documentation),
so very straightforward.

If the software depends on some libraries that also are newer than in
Debian stable, you might have to compile those too. If your software
you want to compile has lots of new dependencies, your build process
might be a bit daunting and then yes, sid might be a better choice.
But it definitely depends.

Absolutes, are _always_ wrong.

;)


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Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management

[Harry Putnam]

"Andrew M.A. Cater"  writes:

>> emerge --pretend -vuDN world

Welcome to another former gentoo hand.

If you have X running:
I'm pretty sure, though have never used it, that there is a little
tool on you desktop menus somewhere.  With a name like 
`Software updates', probably under system tools or some such.

I think that tool will show what is to be installed without installing
it. If you want to install them you have to indicate so... I think.




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Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management

[Carl Johnson]

Tanstaafl  writes:

> Hello all,
>
> I have some questions about how to do certain maintenance tasks in
> Debian that I do routinely in gentoo.
...
> Is there a decent manual describing basic maintenance tasks like this?

You might want to look into the debian-reference package.  It is also
available on the web at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/.

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Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 08:44:49AM -0500, Tanstaafl wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I have some questions about how to do certain maintenance tasks in
> Debian that I do routinely in gentoo.
> 
> I've read man apt-get, but didn't find answers to these questions.
> What I'm looking for is the equivalent commands in debian to achieve
> the same things.
> 
> In gentoo, I routinely perform pretend updates to see what updates
> are available, so a process like:
> 
> eix-sync
> to synchronizes the local repo with the online one
> 
> eix packagename
> shows all available versions of that package, and what repo they
> reside in (stable, testing, etc)
> 
> emerge --pretend -vuDN world
> results in a list of all available updates, as well as any
> dependencies that would be installed, which I can then pick and
> choose from. I usually wait until newly available updates have been
> available for at least a few days before installing them, to avoid
> nasty surprises.
> 
> Is there a decent manual describing basic maintenance tasks like this?
> 
> Thanks
> 

apt-get install debian-handbook

That should sort many of your questions :)

AndyC


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Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management

[Miles Fidelman]

Brian wrote:

On Fri 03 Jan 2014 at 08:44:49 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote:


I have some questions about how to do certain maintenance tasks in
Debian that I do routinely in gentoo.

eix-sync
to synchronizes the local repo with the online one



Is there a decent manual describing basic maintenance tasks like this?

apt-get(8) and apt-cache(8).

"The Debian System, Concepts and Techniques" by Martin Krafft, 
(http://debiansystem.info/) to be a pretty good reference to how things 
are organized in Debian.  Probably the most comprehensive writeup on 
Debian package management that I've seen, and some good sections on 
system admin as well. Might be a little dated though (2005) - things 
have changed a bit.


You might want to browse through http://www.debian.org/doc/books

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Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management

[John Hasler]

Sven Hartge writes:
> Depending on which version of Debian you installed, you will rarely get
> any updates at all. Wheezy (7.x) is stable and only get security updates
> and major bug fixes via point releases about every two months:
> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases/PointReleases

Don't wait for the point releases.  You should have security in your
sources, subscribe to the security list, and do updates as required to
get security fixes.
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Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management

[Brian]

On Fri 03 Jan 2014 at 08:44:49 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote:

> I have some questions about how to do certain maintenance tasks in
> Debian that I do routinely in gentoo.
> 
> eix-sync
> to synchronizes the local repo with the online one

   apt-get update

> eix packagename
> shows all available versions of that package, and what repo they
> reside in (stable, testing, etc)

   apt-cache 

and

   apt-cache policy 

> emerge --pretend -vuDN world
> results in a list of all available updates, as well as any
> dependencies that would be installed, which I can then pick and
> choose from. I usually wait until newly available updates have been
> available for at least a few days before installing them, to avoid
> nasty surprises.

   apt-get upgrade -s

or

   apt-get dist-upgrade -s

The '-s' can be omitted if more than one package is to installed.

> Is there a decent manual describing basic maintenance tasks like this?

apt-get(8) and apt-cache(8).


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Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management

[Sven Hartge]

Tanstaafl  wrote:

> In gentoo, I routinely perform pretend updates to see what updates are
> available, so a process like:

Depending on which version of Debian you installed, you will rarely get
any updates at all. Wheezy (7.x) is stable and only get security updates
and major bug fixes via point releases about every two months:
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases/PointReleases

Only Testing and Unstable receive daily updates.

If you use Testing or Unstable, I advise you to install the packages
apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs.

> eix-sync
> to synchronizes the local repo with the online one

apt-get update

> eix packagename
> shows all available versions of that package, and what repo they reside 
> in (stable, testing, etc)

apt-cache show 

or

apt-cache policy 

> emerge --pretend -vuDN world
> results in a list of all available updates, as well as any dependencies 
> that would be installed, which I can then pick and choose from. I 
> usually wait until newly available updates have been available for at 
> least a few days before installing them, to avoid nasty surprises.

apt-get -s dist-upgrade

If you want to upgrade only a subset of packages, just use

apt-get install  [ ...]

> Is there a decent manual describing basic maintenance tasks like this?

You may want to start reading at
https://wiki.debian.org/SystemAdministration 


Grüße,
Sven.

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SOLVED: Re: New to Debian (I'm a Gentoo user) - static IP vs DHCP

[Tanstaafl]

On 2014-01-03 8:43 AM, Brian  wrote:

On Fri 03 Jan 2014 at 07:29:52 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote:


Since I've configured eth0 for a static IP, why are these DHCP
requests even happening? I've looked in /etc/init.d and don't see
anything about a DHCP client. And most importantly, how do I stop
them? I know I could probably uninstall DHCP client, but that
doesn't seem like the proper solution.



You could start by taking a look at the thread at

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/10/msg00434.html


Perfect, thanks... googling didn't reveal that thread... :(

Since I hadn't cp'd my original /etc/network/interfaces file (so I 
couldn't do the 'ifdown -i  /etc/network/interfaces.bak eth0' part, I 
just found/killed the running dhcp client process.


Seems to have taken care of it.

Thx again


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New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management

[Tanstaafl]

Hello all,

I have some questions about how to do certain maintenance tasks in 
Debian that I do routinely in gentoo.


I've read man apt-get, but didn't find answers to these questions. What 
I'm looking for is the equivalent commands in debian to achieve the same 
things.


In gentoo, I routinely perform pretend updates to see what updates are 
available, so a process like:


eix-sync
to synchronizes the local repo with the online one

eix packagename
shows all available versions of that package, and what repo they reside 
in (stable, testing, etc)


emerge --pretend -vuDN world
results in a list of all available updates, as well as any dependencies 
that would be installed, which I can then pick and choose from. I 
usually wait until newly available updates have been available for at 
least a few days before installing them, to avoid nasty surprises.


Is there a decent manual describing basic maintenance tasks like this?

Thanks


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Re: New to Debian (I'm a Gentoo user) - static IP vs DHCP

[Brian]

On Fri 03 Jan 2014 at 07:29:52 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote:

> Since I've configured eth0 for a static IP, why are these DHCP
> requests even happening? I've looked in /etc/init.d and don't see
> anything about a DHCP client. And most importantly, how do I stop
> them? I know I could probably uninstall DHCP client, but that
> doesn't seem like the proper solution.

You could start by taking a look at the thread at

   https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/10/msg00434.html


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Half-OT: New to Debian (I'm a Gentoo user) - static IP vs DHCP

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 2014-01-03 at 07:29 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote:
> (Debian and FreeBSD being the top contenders)

There's a Debian BSD port too:

https://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD

And Arch Linux provides a FreeBSD port like approach:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Build_System

I made bad experiences with kFreeBSD. My "main" distro is Arch Linux. I
prefer Arch over Debian regarding to my exotic need, audio production
and the license policy of Debian, e.g. Linuxsampler doesn't fit to
Debian's policy regarding to it's license. IOW awesome software often
needs to be compiled by your own for Debian and it could become an
issue, when using Debian stable.

Debian Linux is closer to FreeBSD (I also have a FreeBSD install), than
Arch Linux is, since Arch comes with sytemd. I suspect that Debian will
drop init scripts too.

For servers likely Debian stable is the best way to go, but I don't have
experiences with this and if you need to compile software from upstream
you anyway need to switch to testing or unstable.

Just some thoughts,
Ralf



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New to Debian (I'm a Gentoo user) - static IP vs DHCP

[Tanstaafl]

Hello all,

First posting to the list. I'm a long time Gentoo user, but I'm playing 
with my first Debian system since many years ago.


I've been considering a wholesale change to another distro (Debian and 
FreeBSD being the top contenders) for some time now due to some of the 
changes that have happened in the last year or two with gentoo (won't go 
into details). I will soon be rolling out a new groupware system (SOGo) 
that is not supported on gentoo or FreeBSD, so Debian (no way I'm going 
RedHat) is the obvious choice for this new server - and since SOGo 
doesn't officially support FreeBSD, I will most likely use Debian for 
the new mail server as well.


I'll be posting a series of questions trying to get my head around the 
differences between Debian and Gentoo. I will rtfm as much as possible, 
but I have some questions that I need to address fairly quickly to get 
this new SOGo server ready for implementation, so some of my questions 
may seem lazy, but that will only be because time is short. Specific 
answers are appreciated, but pointers to the docs are absolutely sufficient.


First question is, I have set the system to a static IP and restarted 
the network service:


less /etc/network/interfaces

# This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
# and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).

# The loopback network interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

# The primary network interface
#allow-hotplug eth0
auto eth0
iface eth0 inet static
address ###.###.###.###
gateway ###.###.###.###
netmask 255.255.255.0
network ###.###.###.###
broadcast ###.###.###.###

service networking --full-restart

But, every 10-20 seconds, I'm seeing DHCP requests in the logs (they are 
being blocked by the firewall - I'm paranoid, and implement both inbound 
AND outbound rules):



Jan  3 07:12:30 sogo dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to ###.###.###.### port 67
Jan  3 07:12:30 sogo dhclient: send_packet: Operation not permitted
Jan  3 07:12:30 sogo kernel: [12868185.930627] (fw>): IN= OUT=eth0 
SRC=###.###.###.### DST=###.###.###.### LEN=328 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=0 DF 
PROTO=UDP SPT=68 DPT=67 LEN=308
Jan  3 07:12:49 sogo dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to ###.###.###.### port 67
Jan  3 07:12:49 sogo dhclient: send_packet: Operation not permitted
Jan  3 07:12:49 sogo kernel: [12868204.222463] (fw>): IN= OUT=eth0 
SRC=###.###.###.### DST=###.###.###.### LEN=328 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=0 DF 
PROTO=UDP SPT=68 DPT=67 LEN=308


Since I've configured eth0 for a static IP, why are these DHCP requests 
even happening? I've looked in /etc/init.d and don't see anything about 
a DHCP client. And most importantly, how do I stop them? I know I could 
probably uninstall DHCP client, but that doesn't seem like the proper 
solution.


Thanks

Charles


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Re: New to Debian (what I've done so far)

[Chris Bannister]

On Mon, Jun 07, 2010 at 03:37:27PM -0700, ABSDoug wrote:
> I'm in Windows right now for my iPhone... SO slow, that last blank E-mail was 
> a Windows freeze issue. 

That message alone will get you quite a bit of help. :)_

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Re: New to Debian (what I've done so far)

[ABSDoug]

Sorry... I messed up! I thought I had made a disk with the full install... I 
made another copy of the net install. I've got it working. Now for getting my 
wireless working. I'll start another thread.



  


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Fwd: Re: New to Debian (what I've done so far)

[Alexander Batischev]

- Forwarded message from ABSDoug  -

Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 15:39:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: ABSDoug 
To: Alexander Batischev 
Subject: Re: New to Debian (what I've done so far)

--- On Mon, 6/7/10, Alexander Batischev  wrote:

> How did you try to install Gnome? Did you check "Install
> Desktop Environment"
> in tasksel (this menu which appears on installation time)?
> Or did you installed
> basic system (with no DE or WM, without xorg at all) and
> then try to run
> aptitude install gnome? Please provide more information.
> 
> > That's where I'm at so far.
> Btw, you don't need to start new thread each time you
> response. Keep whole
> discussion in one thread, please - it's easier to follow
> (or not-follow)
> and manage/search, then.

I don't rememeber getting any options like we're talking about. Lemme try it 
aogain. I'll report back exactly what I did.


  

- End forwarded message -

P.S. ABSDoug, please check whom you respond to: it's not catastrophic if you
replied to me - I'll simply forward message to list - but it's considered as
bad taste.

---
Regards,
Alexander Batischev


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Re: New to Debian (what I've done so far)

[Alexander Batischev]

On Mon, Jun 07, 2010 at 03:37:27PM -0700, ABSDoug wrote:
> Javier, thanks for pointing me in the right direction! & yes I'm subscribed...
> don't know why I didn't get the orginal replys to my original post, but I am
> now.
Did you read manual I mentioned before?

Anyone can write to debian-user, but only subsribers can receive mails sent to
list by others. So when others replied to your post, subscribers received that
answers, but you didn't. Somebody CC'ed you (sent you a copy) when replying -
that way you get some responses. Now you're subscribed and get all the answers

You also will get all the mails sent to other threads in this list, too (I do
not know are you familiar enough with mailing lists to know that, so I think I
should mention it so you won't be confused when your mailbox be flooded by
dozens of mails per day).

If you didn't receive some replies, don't worry - there are online archive of
all the mails sent to list. You can find it here[1] - scoll down to Archives,
choose month and year and go reading!

Good luck with Debian!

1. http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/

---
Regards,
Alexander Batischev

 


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Re: New to Debian (what I've done so far)

[Mark]

On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 3:13 PM, ABSDoug  wrote:

> 1st, tried to do "Installing Debian GNU/Linux via the
> Internet"(debian-504-i386-netinst.iso) but could not connect to wireless. At
> the time I did not have physical access to the router, but that can be done
> now if necessary.
>
> 2nd, tried the big DVD image (debian-504-i386-DVD-1.iso). Tried to run GUI,
> no go. Tried to install Gnome & got E: coundn't find package Gnome.
>
> That's where I'm at so far. TIA.
>

The dvd installer includes Gnome in the installation unless you tell it not
too, maybe your installation didn't work correctly?  Have you md5
checksummed your dvd download?

Mark

Re: New to Debian (what I've done so far)

[ABSDoug]

I'm in Windows right now for my iPhone... SO slow, that last blank E-mail was a 
Windows freeze issue. 

Javier, thanks for pointing me in the right direction! & yes I'm subscribed... 
don't know why I didn't get the orginal replys to my original post, but I am 
now.


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>From DVD you can install an desktop standard which include gnome

Regards,
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Re: New to Debian (what I've done so far)

[ABSDoug]

--- On Mon, 6/7/10, Javier Barroso  wrote:


From: Javier Barroso 
Subject: Re: New to Debian (what I've done so far)
To: "ABSDoug" 
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 6:25 PM


On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:13 AM, ABSDoug  wrote:


1st, tried to do "Installing Debian GNU/Linux via the 
Internet"(debian-504-i386-netinst.iso) but could not connect to wireless. At 
the time I did not have physical access to the router, but that can be done now 
if necessary.

2nd, tried the big DVD image (debian-504-i386-DVD-1.iso). Tried to run GUI, no 
go. Tried to install Gnome & got E: coundn't find package Gnome.
 
That's where I'm at so far. TIA. 

See http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/06/msg00396.html and reply our 
questions

>From DVD you can install an desktop standard which include gnome

Regards,
PD: I'm CCing you, but if you are subscripted I shouldn't do it






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Re: New to Debian (what I've done so far)

[Alexander Batischev]

Hi,

On Mon, Jun 07, 2010 at 03:13:11PM -0700, ABSDoug wrote:
> 1st, tried to do "Installing Debian GNU/Linux via the Internet"
> (debian-504-i386-netinst.iso) but could not connect to wireless. At the time
> I did not have physical access to the router, but that can be done now if
> necessary. 
On which hardware do you try to install it? I don't know how to get wifi to
work on installation if it's not working out of box, so I'm simply curious.

> 2nd, tried the big DVD image (debian-504-i386-DVD-1.iso).
Good idea, as far as you don't have Internet connection on installation time.

> Tried to run GUI, no go.
You mean graphic installer? If it doesn't work, try text mode - I assure you,
it isn't hard!

> Tried to install Gnome & got E: coundn't find package Gnome.
How did you try to install Gnome? Did you check "Install Desktop Environment"
in tasksel (this menu which appears on installation time)? Or did you installed
basic system (with no DE or WM, without xorg at all) and then try to run
aptitude install gnome? Please provide more information.

> That's where I'm at so far.
Btw, you don't need to start new thread each time you response. Keep whole
discussion in one thread, please - it's easier to follow (or not-follow)
and manage/search, then.

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Re: New to Debian (what I've done so far)

[Javier Barroso]

On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:13 AM, ABSDoug  wrote:

> 1st, tried to do "Installing Debian GNU/Linux via the
> Internet"(debian-504-i386-netinst.iso) but could not connect to wireless. At
> the time I did not have physical access to the router, but that can be done
> now if necessary.
>
> 2nd, tried the big DVD image (debian-504-i386-DVD-1.iso). Tried to run GUI,
> no go. Tried to install Gnome & got E: coundn't find package Gnome.
>
> That's where I'm at so far. TIA.
>
See http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/06/msg00396.html and reply our
questions

>From DVD you can install an desktop standard which include gnome

Regards,
PD: I'm CCing you, but if you are subscripted I shouldn't do it

New to Debian (what I've done so far)

[ABSDoug]

1st, tried to do "Installing Debian GNU/Linux via the 
Internet"(debian-504-i386-netinst.iso) but could not connect to wireless. At 
the time I did not have physical access to the router, but that can be done now 
if necessary. 

2nd, tried the big DVD image (debian-504-i386-DVD-1.iso). Tried to run GUI, no 
go. Tried to install Gnome & got E: coundn't find package Gnome.
 
That's where I'm at so far. TIA. 






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Re: New to Debian

[Alan Greenberger]

On 2009-12-03, deb...@toursbymexico.com  wrote:
>
> 2) How can I install KDE? Currently it is running with Gnome... I've just
> download all 5 DVDs plus the updates one... the gnome (un)install shows
> most KDE applications to install, but not the full window manager... and,
> once installed, is it safe to remove Gnome to free disk space? Just the
> window manager, not its libraries that should break some dependencies if
> deleted.

see http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde3.html
The KDE CD for installing Lenny works well.  The page gives other
options.


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Re: New to Debian

[John Hasler]

Miguel writes:
> Am thinking on making a new installation to findout how to use the
> expert mode, perhaps in such way I will be able to make a more
> detailed installation that allows me to choose LILO too...

You are overthinking this.  Just install the lilo package ("apt-get
install lilo"), read the docs, and follow instructions.  No need to
reinstall.
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Re: New to Debian

[debian]

Hi Rob

I did what you say but the installer does not give a LILO option, it only
warns that the system will not boot without GRUB and forced me to choose
YES... Am thinking on making a new installation to findout how to use the
expert mode, perhaps in such way I will be able to make a more detailed
installation that allows me to choose LILO too...

Thanks for your response.

Take care,
Miguel

>> 4) Is it possible to install LILO instead of GRUB? I know it is better
>> and
>> advanced, but I like LILO... would it be safe to install it without
>> breaking some kind of dependence?
>>
> When the installer asks if you want to install GRUB, I think you can say
> "no" or "cancel" and you will get an option to install LILO.  If you
> want to install LILO after your installation, you can do that too.
>
> -Rob


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Re: New to Debian

[Rob Owens]

On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:29:57AM -0700, deb...@toursbymexico.com wrote:
> Hello
> 
> I'm new to Debian, have used Slackware for years but latest release was a
> mess so I decided to move to Debian and give it a try, however I have some
> doubts and need to complete my configuration to keep working while
> learning to use this new distro, so these are my current doubts:
> 
> 1) How can I disable the graphical login and/or avoid X11 to start
> automatically? I can't install the nVidia driver since it tells me to stop
> X11 before. And, is it possible to leave it that way, just with the simple
> text consoles, and start X11 manually when required?
> 
I'd use sysv-rc-conf to disable gdm in runlevel 2 (the default runlevel)

> 2) How can I install KDE? Currently it is running with Gnome... I've just
> download all 5 DVDs plus the updates one... the gnome (un)install shows
> most KDE applications to install, but not the full window manager... and,
> once installed, is it safe to remove Gnome to free disk space? Just the
> window manager, not its libraries that should break some dependencies if
> deleted.
> 
Try using the netinst CD.  By hitting one of the Function keys at boot
time, you can find out how to specify KDE as your GUI environment.
Gnome is the default (as you've discovered).

> 3) There are some programs/drivers that independently of the distro, I
> prefer to install them by hand from sources. Does it affect in some way if
> I do this? The most common ones are kernel, MySQL, msn, irc, some
> multimedia stuff, etc. but at least the kernel and MySQL that I don't like
> to use packages for them...
> 
You should look at backports.org and debian-multimedia.org

> 4) Is it possible to install LILO instead of GRUB? I know it is better and
> advanced, but I like LILO... would it be safe to install it without
> breaking some kind of dependence?
> 
When the installer asks if you want to install GRUB, I think you can say
"no" or "cancel" and you will get an option to install LILO.  If you
want to install LILO after your installation, you can do that too.  

-Rob


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Re: New to Debian

[Wolodja Wentland]

On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:29 -0700, deb...@toursbymexico.com wrote:
> I'm new to Debian, have used Slackware for years but latest release was a
> mess so I decided to move to Debian and give it a try, 
Welcome!

> 1) How can I disable the graphical login and/or avoid X11 to start
> automatically? I can't install the nVidia driver since it tells me to stop
> X11 before. And, is it possible to leave it that way, just with the simple
> text consoles, and start X11 manually when required?

You just need to disable whatever service starts xorg in the applicable
runlevels. You can do this easily with rcconf or sysv-rc-conf. the
service you are looking for is probably gdm, xdm or kdm.

> 2) How can I install KDE? Currently it is running with Gnome... I've just
> download all 5 DVDs plus the updates one... the gnome (un)install shows

You usually don't need all 5 DVDs and from the rest of your mail I can
see that using them was definitely the wrong choice for you. I would
suggest to use the netinstall CD next time and just install the base
system. You can then download and install everything you want and built
exactly the system that you want/need without all the cruft that is
installed if you select one of the tasks.

I would also recommend using the 'expert' mode during installation as I
have the impression that you pretty much know what you want to install
and how to configure your system.

> most KDE applications to install, but not the full window manager... and,
> once installed, is it safe to remove Gnome to free disk space? Just the
> window manager, not its libraries that should break some dependencies if
> deleted.

You can safely remove all of GNOME if you don't need it. Some packages
might remain as dependencies of programs you installed though.

> 3) There are some programs/drivers that independently of the distro, I
> prefer to install them by hand from sources. Does it affect in some way if
> I do this? The most common ones are kernel, MySQL, msn, irc, some
> multimedia stuff, etc. but at least the kernel and MySQL that I don't like
> to use packages for them...

I don't quite understand why you would want to do so, but it is
certainly possible. You might run into problems with other packages that
depend on these packages ... but that has already been mentioned.

Note that this will also deprive you from security updates by Debian and
that the packages shipped with Debian are specifically tailored towards
the Debian platform (and the ones you compile are not).

A better way might be to download the source package of a binary package
that is configured in a way you dislike, tailor it to your needs and
install "your" package.

I would really suggest that you try "The Debian Way" for some time and
learn about the advantages and (maybe) disadvantages ... This means that
you have to adapt your administration style a little - but it is always
fun to learn something new, or?

If you have further questions do not hesitate to write another mail or
join #debian at the freenode or oftc network.

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Re: New to Debian

[Johannes Wiedersich]

Kumar Appaiah wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:29:57AM -0700, deb...@toursbymexico.com wrote:
>> 4) Is it possible to install LILO instead of GRUB? I know it is better and
>> advanced, but I like LILO... would it be safe to install it without
>> breaking some kind of dependence?
> 
> I believe so, but I don't know the methods/problems. Someone
> else/Google should be able to help you with this.

IIRC, the installer for lenny has an option to install lilo instead of
grub (expert mode).

-- 
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Three nations have not officially adopted the International System
of Units as their primary or sole system of measurement: Burma,
Liberia, and the United States.

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Re: New to Debian

[Kelly Clowers]

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 08:29,   wrote:
> Hello
>
> I'm new to Debian, have used Slackware for years but latest release was a
> mess so I decided to move to Debian and give it a try, however I have some
> doubts and need to complete my configuration to keep working while
> learning to use this new distro, so these are my current doubts:
>
> 1) How can I disable the graphical login and/or avoid X11 to start
> automatically? I can't install the nVidia driver since it tells me to stop
> X11 before. And, is it possible to leave it that way, just with the simple
> text consoles, and start X11 manually when required?

Just remove gdm/kdm/xdm, and use startx - that's what I do.

> 2) How can I install KDE? Currently it is running with Gnome... I've just
> download all 5 DVDs plus the updates one... the gnome (un)install shows
> most KDE applications to install, but not the full window manager... and,
> once installed, is it safe to remove Gnome to free disk space? Just the
> window manager, not its libraries that should break some dependencies if
> deleted.


As Kumar said, kde-core and kde are KDE metapackages and will bring in
varying amounts of KDE.

Yon definitely remove all or part of Gnome. I have a fair amount of Gnome
and a small amount of KDE on my system, but not the metapackages
for either one.

Instead of the Gnome installer, you might try using Aptitude in interactive
(ncurses) mode. I find that is the best way to work with complex package
selection.

> 3) There are some programs/drivers that independently of the distro, I
> prefer to install them by hand from sources. Does it affect in some way if
> I do this? The most common ones are kernel, MySQL, msn, irc, some
> multimedia stuff, etc. but at least the kernel and MySQL that I don't like
> to use packages for them...

You can do that, but if other packages needs MySQL, you either need
the equivs package to let the system know you have MySQL, or you
need to turn your compiled version into a .deb (shouldn't be too hard,
with debhelper).


> 4) Is it possible to install LILO instead of GRUB? I know it is better and
> advanced, but I like LILO... would it be safe to install it without
> breaking some kind of dependence?

Should work, but I have never gone back to lilo before.

> Well, that's enough by now, today I need at least to setup the nVidia
> driver and hopefully the latest kernel (no matter if it is GRUB by now)...

Good luck!


Cheers,
Kelly Clowers


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Re: New to Debian

[Kumar Appaiah]

On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:29:57AM -0700, deb...@toursbymexico.com wrote:
> 1) How can I disable the graphical login and/or avoid X11 to start
> automatically? I can't install the nVidia driver since it tells me to stop
> X11 before. And, is it possible to leave it that way, just with the simple
> text consoles, and start X11 manually when required?

Well, one way to do this would be to close the display manager you
use. For example, if gdm is what is running, I'd use /etc/init.d/gdm stop
Alternately, you can switch runlevels, but that isn't really
necessary, I think. See http://wiki.debian.org/RunLevel and
http://www.debian-administration.org/article/An_introduction_to_run-levels
for details.

> 2) How can I install KDE? Currently it is running with Gnome... I've just
> download all 5 DVDs plus the updates one... the gnome (un)install shows
> most KDE applications to install, but not the full window manager... and,
> once installed, is it safe to remove Gnome to free disk space? Just the
> window manager, not its libraries that should break some dependencies if
> deleted.

Yes. It is free to remove the parts of Gnome which is not needed. To
get KDE, you can install one of the meta packages, such as kde-core
(in Lenny), or get all things KDE with the "kde" package.

> 3) There are some programs/drivers that independently of the distro, I
> prefer to install them by hand from sources. Does it affect in some way if
> I do this? The most common ones are kernel, MySQL, msn, irc, some
> multimedia stuff, etc. but at least the kernel and MySQL that I don't like
> to use packages for them...

It shouldn't, but then, you might have problems getting other
dependencies working. The kernel shouldn't be bother, but MySQL is
more significant, since, if a package from Debian needs MySQL to run,
you'd have to explicitly specify that you have your own MySQL, since
it won't be able to find the Debian installed MySQL.

If package versions being old is your worry, you could consider
Backports, which offer you updated software for Stable Debian
releases: http://www.backports.org

> 4) Is it possible to install LILO instead of GRUB? I know it is better and
> advanced, but I like LILO... would it be safe to install it without
> breaking some kind of dependence?

I believe so, but I don't know the methods/problems. Someone
else/Google should be able to help you with this.

> Well, that's enough by now, today I need at least to setup the nVidia
> driver and hopefully the latest kernel (no matter if it is GRUB by now)...
> 
> Thanks for your help,

Have a great time with your Debian installation, and we'll do our best
to answer your queries here.

Kumar


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New to Debian

[debian]

Hello

I'm new to Debian, have used Slackware for years but latest release was a
mess so I decided to move to Debian and give it a try, however I have some
doubts and need to complete my configuration to keep working while
learning to use this new distro, so these are my current doubts:

1) How can I disable the graphical login and/or avoid X11 to start
automatically? I can't install the nVidia driver since it tells me to stop
X11 before. And, is it possible to leave it that way, just with the simple
text consoles, and start X11 manually when required?

2) How can I install KDE? Currently it is running with Gnome... I've just
download all 5 DVDs plus the updates one... the gnome (un)install shows
most KDE applications to install, but not the full window manager... and,
once installed, is it safe to remove Gnome to free disk space? Just the
window manager, not its libraries that should break some dependencies if
deleted.

3) There are some programs/drivers that independently of the distro, I
prefer to install them by hand from sources. Does it affect in some way if
I do this? The most common ones are kernel, MySQL, msn, irc, some
multimedia stuff, etc. but at least the kernel and MySQL that I don't like
to use packages for them...

4) Is it possible to install LILO instead of GRUB? I know it is better and
advanced, but I like LILO... would it be safe to install it without
breaking some kind of dependence?

Well, that's enough by now, today I need at least to setup the nVidia
driver and hopefully the latest kernel (no matter if it is GRUB by now)...

Thanks for your help,

Miguel


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Re: [SOLVED] new to debian need help with fonts rendering (?)

[thirstyh2o]

On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:46:46 +, thirstyh2o wrote:

> font rendering in Ubuntu is way easier on my eyes than in Lenny

SOLVED. 

Since I did it long time ago I totally forgotten that I installed under 
Ubuntu MS TrueType fonts and configured X to use them. 

All I needed in Lenny was to install ttf-mscorefonts-installer package 
from repository and then to follow simple instructions in /usr/share/doc/
x-ttcidfont-conf/README.Debian file to configure X.

That's it. My fonts are as shiny as I used to have them under Ubuntu.

So, the issue was not exactly with the fonts rendering but rather with 
the fonts themselves. The default fonts are not the best. At least for my 
eyes.



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Re: new to debian need help with fonts rendering (?)

[thirstyh2o]

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:36:34 +0200, Giuseppe Marinelli wrote:

> This is something I have been coping with since my switch to Linux. I
> tried multiple font types (DejaVu, Bitstream, Liberation) and multiple
> configurations but I have not managed to get a decent font rendering
> yet.
> 
> The present configuration consists of the Liberation fonts with
> autohinter enabled, subpixel rendering enabled and bitmap fonts disabled
> but I don't find the rendering good enough.

What puzzles me the most is the fact that I'm running both Ubuntu and 
Debian on the same very hardware, using now the same video driver, and in 
both cases using the  same fonts and settings, but in Ubuntu I do not 
have any problems with fonts at all.




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Re: new to debian need help with fonts rendering (?)

[thirstyh2o]

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:22:06 +0530, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote:

> The proprietary driver improves performance even for other stuff though
> it is more likely to crash, especially during suspend/resume.

Installed the proprietary driver but did not have a lot of improvements 
(if any) with it either.

> Try running `dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config` and ensure that the
> option for sub-pixel rendering is correct. If you had to change it, you
> might have to run `dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig` for the changes to take
> effect.

Tried tweaking with it before the proprietary driver install and after it 
without any luck as well.



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Re: new to debian need help with fonts rendering (?)

[Giuseppe Marinelli]

On Tuesday 21 July 2009 03:52:06 Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote:
> thirstyh2o wrote:
> > Hi, folks.
> >
> > I'm coming from Ubuntu crowd where I spent last couple of years. Finally
> > decided:"Why 'Debian based', why not Debian itself".
> >
> > So to be. I've installed Debian 5.0.2 on my Dell Latitude D820 as dual
> > boot to my Ubuntu Jaunty.  The laptop has Nvidia video card on it. The
> > resolution and refresh rate were set properly by installer, and I was
> > quite pleased by that.
> >
> > Everything was just fine except... font rendering. I find that, font
> > rendering in Ubuntu is way easier on my eyes than in Lenny, where my eyes
> > start soring after 15-20 minutes.
> >
> > In Ubuntu I do use proprietary/restricted video drivers. But in Lenny,
> > since I'm not a gamer, I was willing to stick with default open source
> > driver.
>
> The proprietary driver improves performance even for other stuff though
> it is more likely to crash, especially during suspend/resume.
>
> > Hence the question, is there any way to improve font rendering with open
> > source driver or I'll have to install the proprietary one.
> >
> > Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Try running `dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config` and ensure that the
> option for sub-pixel rendering is correct. If you had to change it, you
> might have to run `dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig` for the changes to take
> effect.

This is something I have been coping with since my switch to Linux.
I tried multiple font types (DejaVu, Bitstream, Liberation) and multiple 
configurations but I have not managed to get a decent font rendering yet.

The present configuration consists of the Liberation fonts with autohinter 
enabled, subpixel rendering enabled and bitmap fonts disabled but I don't 
find the rendering good enough.


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Re: new to debian need help with fonts rendering (?)

[Raj Kiran Grandhi]

thirstyh2o wrote:

Hi, folks.

I'm coming from Ubuntu crowd where I spent last couple of years. Finally 
decided:"Why 'Debian based', why not Debian itself". 

So to be. I've installed Debian 5.0.2 on my Dell Latitude D820 as dual 
boot to my Ubuntu Jaunty.  The laptop has Nvidia video card on it. The 
resolution and refresh rate were set properly by installer, and I was 
quite pleased by that.


Everything was just fine except... font rendering. I find that, font 
rendering in Ubuntu is way easier on my eyes than in Lenny, where my eyes 
start soring after 15-20 minutes.


In Ubuntu I do use proprietary/restricted video drivers. But in Lenny, 
since I'm not a gamer, I was willing to stick with default open source 
driver.


The proprietary driver improves performance even for other stuff though 
it is more likely to crash, especially during suspend/resume.




Hence the question, is there any way to improve font rendering with open 
source driver or I'll have to install the proprietary one.


Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated.



Try running `dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config` and ensure that the 
option for sub-pixel rendering is correct. If you had to change it, you 
might have to run `dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig` for the changes to take 
effect.









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new to debian need help with fonts rendering (?)

[thirstyh2o]

Hi, folks.

I'm coming from Ubuntu crowd where I spent last couple of years. Finally 
decided:"Why 'Debian based', why not Debian itself". 

So to be. I've installed Debian 5.0.2 on my Dell Latitude D820 as dual 
boot to my Ubuntu Jaunty.  The laptop has Nvidia video card on it. The 
resolution and refresh rate were set properly by installer, and I was 
quite pleased by that.

Everything was just fine except... font rendering. I find that, font 
rendering in Ubuntu is way easier on my eyes than in Lenny, where my eyes 
start soring after 15-20 minutes.

In Ubuntu I do use proprietary/restricted video drivers. But in Lenny, 
since I'm not a gamer, I was willing to stick with default open source 
driver.

Hence the question, is there any way to improve font rendering with open 
source driver or I'll have to install the proprietary one.

Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated.



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Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

[Mark Shroyer]

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 09:45:05PM +, Glyn Astill wrote:
> > 'ALL=(ALL) ALL' is no more dangerous than having the 'su' binary
> > available.
> > 
> > The NOPASSWD option is not the default.
> 
> No. For su they'd have to enter the root password, for sudo su they'd
> just have to enter the password of the current user and they are root.

And what I'm saying is that in the most likely attack scenario for this
type of user--remote exploit of an essentially single-user system
through an application running under a regular account, such as a web
browser or a word processor--it isn't magically harder for an attacker
to obtain the root password than it would be to obtain the regular
user's password.  Both would typically have to be obtained through the
same process.

If you're worried about brute-force attacks on a user's password, that's
one thing.  But most basic desktop systems, such as the one the OP was
describing, are not running SSH or other remote-login services.  With
the type of attack vector this type of user should be concerned about,
two passwords does not equal twice the security.

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Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux

[Osamu Aoki]

Hi,

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 03:03:23AM -0500, dwain wrote:
> hello all.  i just installed debian tonight next to win xp.  they seem to
> play well together.  i was trying to setup the bug report and found that i
> can't sudo into root.  i can get into the synaptic package manager with the
> root password and this has me a bit confused why i can't login as root in
> the terminal with sudo.  is there another command that i can try to do this?

Ubuntu sets up sudo while setting no password for root in its default as
I observe.  You sounds like one from Ubuntu or some other Debian derivatives.

> also i would like to update my system.  would i: apt-get update and then:
> apt-get install to do this?
> 
> any help would be appreciated, but please keep your responses simple as i am
> trying to learn a new os and am in the process of migrating away from
> windows.

I do not think you get bigger picture without reading documentation
given in the system.

For started, you amy wish to read documentation in 
 http://www.debian.org
 http://www.debian.org/doc

"Debian Reference" web pages on Debian need update soonish.  For now
please look at:
 http://people.debian.org/~osamu/pub/po4a/html/index.en.html

* Debian is not Ubuntu.  So you need to set up sudo by yourself.
  http://people.debian.org/~osamu/pub/po4a/html/ch01.en.html#_sudo_configuration
  (If you are the only one, no security issue.)

* There are multiple ways to get root.  (Including one without password)
  
http://people.debian.org/~osamu/pub/po4a/html/ch04.en.html#_securing_the_root_password

Good luck.

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Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

[Paul E Condon]

On 2009-05-22_18:19:19, dwain wrote:
> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Douglas A. Tutty  wrote:
> 

Hi, dwain

I went back in the archives and read your original post. It is pretty
clear to me from that post that you are a single user working on your
own computer.  There is no sysadmin to help or hinder you. You are
your own sysadmin. If you screw up, it is not a firing offense, it is
just a learning experience.  So, have at it. Other distros try much
too hard to 'protect' their users.  Gnome tries to hide how the system
really works, IMHO. Ubuntu is Debian without the transparency, but
with cutesy alliterative names. Sudo is really not a substitute for
su. It is something the boss sysadmin foists on the grunt sysadmins in
a large shop. But you are you, not boss, not grunt.

Look at the documentation at debian.org. There is a lot of really good
stuff that in other distributions is stuff that 'the user shouldn't
have to know' (and therefore we won't tell him). But not in Debian. In
Debian there is a clear possibility of becoming a real expert by
self-study (with some mentoring when you ask for it). But debian-user
let you down here by grabbing your thread and turning it into a
discussion about how the run the sysadmin dept. of a large
organization. It's pretty clear to me that that isn't what you were
asking.

Go do your thing. 

I've recently set up a second computer in my home, an old pentium
III. It runs approx (a proxy specifically designed to be a local cache
of Debian packages), and adzapper (a nifty thingy that eliminates the
paid advertising clutter on your web browser). If you once do an
install of Debian through approx, all subsequent installs throuch
approx go MUCH FASTER. No matter the speed of you internet connection,
it is less than 100MHz Ethernet, which is about as slow as you can get
a local Ethernet to go these days. With this in place, and disk
partitions set up so that /home is on a separate partition that doesn't
get touched in an install, it hardly matters what you do as root.
Just a short interlude in which you can contemplate why you messed up.
No need to explain it to anyone. 

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Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

[Neal Hogan]

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:19 PM, dwain  wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Douglas A. Tutty  wrote:
>>
>> > i too was disappointed.  i tried su and authentication failed.  how do i
>> > update my system without being able to log in as root?
>> >
>> > now i don't mind a spirited discussion on the pros and cons of sudo vs.
>> > su,
>> > but my original question still has not been answered; and with this new
>> > development i am really at a loss.
>> >
>> > you are saying that  sudo and su are not available from a user console,
>> > then
>> > how do i fix this so i can become root when i need to?
>>
>>
>> Root login from a secure serial console has been described as the
>> ultimate command line of last resort.  I always have a serial console
>> set up in inittab (and in grub too for that matter).  I guess if you
>> can't log in as root (or otherwise get root), you'll need to boot a live
>> CD such as grml and fix whatever is preventing you from getting root.
>>
>> A last resort would be:
>>
>> 1.      physically disconnect the box from the network.
>> 2.      boot a live CD
>> 3.      edit the password file to allow root login without a password
>> 4.      reboot into the system and log in as root
>> 5.      passwd as root and give yourself a root password.
>> 6.      shutdown
>> 7.      reconnect the box to the network.
>> 8.      carry on as normal.
>>
>>
>> If you want to use sudo for most things, but have root login available,
>> put the root password in a card in an envelope in a locked location.
>> You'll know if someone needed the root password by the tear in the
>> envelope.  Unless it was removed, the root login should be recorded in
>> syslog as well.
>>
>
> thanks for the reply.  i would definitely need more detailed information for
> your solution, but i think i have solved the problem.  i have played around
> with other linux distros before with the same result as i am experiencing
> now, but (now for the solution) none of them had a root terminal like debian
> has, or i didn't see one.  i could update, although there didn't appear to
> be updates available, from this terminal.  what a terrific idea.  and my
> root password worked on the login to the root terminal.
>
> please don't tell me that using the root terminal is not prescribed, but
> tell me if you must.  finding the root terminal has made my life with debian
> much less stressful.  i probably will not be using it very much, except for
> updates to the system, but it's nice to know that it works.

I forget and am to lazy to look up the dets of your original post . .
. but . . .


So . . . you want root(-like) access for upgrading and adding
packages? Otherwise, you'll be logging in like like the rest of us
drakes ( I think that's the term)? Basically, you want to go from your
drake-login to an admin position to do certain things ?


Well, it depends upon the privileges of your users (eg. drake). . .
look that up (if you don't know)? 'su' is a default command that
allows root capabilities and requires root pword. 'sudo' is a
non-default package that is similar (as the "interesting" discussion
has pointed out). All of this is well documented.

In the end, the "interesting" discussion has given you some tid-bits
to chew on. User privileges is a very basic thing and I suspect the
"interesting" tangent is due to this fact. Perhaps they assume the
most basic (although, from some of the posts, it's doubtful).

-Neal
>
> cheers,
> dwain
>
>
>
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Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

[Alex Samad]

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 07:09:17PM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 05:50:28PM -0500, dwain wrote:
> > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:16 PM, George  wrote:
> > 

[snip]

> 
> A last resort would be:
> 
> 1.physically disconnect the box from the network.
> 2.boot a live CD

You could also boot with kernel option init=/bin/bash

> 3.edit the password file to allow root login without a password
> 4.reboot into the system and log in as root
> 5.passwd as root and give yourself a root password.
> 6.shutdown
> 7.reconnect the box to the network.
> 8.carry on as normal.
> 
> 

[snip]

> 
> Doug.
> 
> 

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Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

[dwain]

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Douglas A. Tutty  wrote:

> > i too was disappointed.  i tried su and authentication failed.  how do i
> > update my system without being able to log in as root?
> >
> > now i don't mind a spirited discussion on the pros and cons of sudo vs.
> su,
> > but my original question still has not been answered; and with this new
> > development i am really at a loss.
> >
> > you are saying that  sudo and su are not available from a user console,
> then
> > how do i fix this so i can become root when i need to?
>
>
> Root login from a secure serial console has been described as the
> ultimate command line of last resort.  I always have a serial console
> set up in inittab (and in grub too for that matter).  I guess if you
> can't log in as root (or otherwise get root), you'll need to boot a live
> CD such as grml and fix whatever is preventing you from getting root.
>
> A last resort would be:
>
> 1.  physically disconnect the box from the network.
> 2.  boot a live CD
> 3.  edit the password file to allow root login without a password
> 4.  reboot into the system and log in as root
> 5.  passwd as root and give yourself a root password.
> 6.  shutdown
> 7.  reconnect the box to the network.
> 8.  carry on as normal.
>
>
> If you want to use sudo for most things, but have root login available,
> put the root password in a card in an envelope in a locked location.
> You'll know if someone needed the root password by the tear in the
> envelope.  Unless it was removed, the root login should be recorded in
> syslog as well.
>
>
thanks for the reply.  i would definitely need more detailed information for
your solution, but i think i have solved the problem.  i have played around
with other linux distros before with the same result as i am experiencing
now, but (now for the solution) none of them had a root terminal like debian
has, or i didn't see one.  i could update, although there didn't appear to
be updates available, from this terminal.  what a terrific idea.  and my
root password worked on the login to the root terminal.

please don't tell me that using the root terminal is not prescribed, but
tell me if you must.  finding the root terminal has made my life with debian
much less stressful.  i probably will not be using it very much, except for
updates to the system, but it's nice to know that it works.

cheers,
dwain



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Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 05:50:28PM -0500, dwain wrote:
> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:16 PM, George  wrote:
> 
> > I was a little disappointed being called out on my suggestions in my
> > original post. Obviously the person isn’t a sys admin and from my
> > understanding the whole purpose of sudo is so the user only has root
> > privileges for that given command instead of during the entire terminal
> > session. I personally see nothing wrong with what I suggested other then
> > using visudo to edit the sudoers file instead of vim.
> >
> 
> i too was disappointed.  i tried su and authentication failed.  how do i
> update my system without being able to log in as root?
> 
> now i don't mind a spirited discussion on the pros and cons of sudo vs. su,
> but my original question still has not been answered; and with this new
> development i am really at a loss.
> 
> you are saying that  sudo and su are not available from a user console, then
> how do i fix this so i can become root when i need to?
 

Root login from a secure serial console has been described as the
ultimate command line of last resort.  I always have a serial console
set up in inittab (and in grub too for that matter).  I guess if you
can't log in as root (or otherwise get root), you'll need to boot a live
CD such as grml and fix whatever is preventing you from getting root.  

A last resort would be:

1.  physically disconnect the box from the network.
2.  boot a live CD
3.  edit the password file to allow root login without a password
4.  reboot into the system and log in as root
5.  passwd as root and give yourself a root password.
6.  shutdown
7.  reconnect the box to the network.
8.  carry on as normal.


If you want to use sudo for most things, but have root login available,
put the root password in a card in an envelope in a locked location.
You'll know if someone needed the root password by the tear in the
envelope.  Unless it was removed, the root login should be recorded in
syslog as well.

Doug.


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Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

[dwain]

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:16 PM, George  wrote:

> I was a little disappointed being called out on my suggestions in my
> original post. Obviously the person isn’t a sys admin and from my
> understanding the whole purpose of sudo is so the user only has root
> privileges for that given command instead of during the entire terminal
> session. I personally see nothing wrong with what I suggested other then
> using visudo to edit the sudoers file instead of vim.
>

i too was disappointed.  i tried su and authentication failed.  how do i
update my system without being able to log in as root?

now i don't mind a spirited discussion on the pros and cons of sudo vs. su,
but my original question still has not been answered; and with this new
development i am really at a loss.

you are saying that  sudo and su are not available from a user console, then
how do i fix this so i can become root when i need to?

cheers, dwain



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Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In Friday 22 May 2009, Glyn wrote:
>--- On Fri, 22/5/09, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.  wrote:
>> Glyn Astill wrote:
>> > ALL=(All) ALL is a bad idea.
>>
>> Um, no.  With 'ALL=(ALL) ALL' they would still have to
>> type in their
>> password unless they had recently given their
>> credentials.  If you want to
>> you can turn off the caching of credentials, so that sudo
>> always asks for a
>> password.  You can also have it ask for the target
>> user's password instead
>> of the source user's password, if you like.
>>
>> 'ALL=(ALL) ALL' is no more dangerous than having the 'su'
>> binary available.
>>
>> The NOPASSWD option is not the default.
>
>No. For su they'd have to enter the root password, for sudo su they'd just
> have to enter the password of the current user and they are root.

1. That depends on how the administrator has configured sudo; my openSUSE 
laptop asks for root's password when my user runs sudo.
2. That is an advantage, not a disadvantage in many environments; the more a 
password is shared the harder it is to protect and change.

'ALL=(ALL) ALL' is differently secure than have a 'su' binary around, but it 
is not more or less secure.
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Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

[Glyn Astill]

--- On Fri, 22/5/09, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.  wrote:

> From: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. 
> Subject: Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Date: Friday, 22 May, 2009, 9:20 PM
> In <857394.80354...@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com>,
> Glyn Astill wrote:
> >--- On Fri, 22/5/09, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. 
> wrote:
> >> It's not equivalent to running as root, since (a)
> you have
> >> to prefix
> >> privileged operations with "sudo", (b) you have to
> re-auth
> >> such actions by
> >> entering your password and (c) your sudo
> credentials will
> >> timeout
> >> automatically after they are not used.
> >
> >Errr, yeah whatever Until they just do "sudo su"
> and they're in.
> > ALL=(All) ALL is a bad idea.
> 
> Um, no.  With 'ALL=(ALL) ALL' they would still have to
> type in their 
> password unless they had recently given their
> credentials.  If you want to 
> you can turn off the caching of credentials, so that sudo
> always asks for a 
> password.  You can also have it ask for the target
> user's password instead 
> of the source user's password, if you like.
> 
> 'ALL=(ALL) ALL' is no more dangerous than having the 'su'
> binary available.
> 
> The NOPASSWD option is not the default.

No. For su they'd have to enter the root password, for sudo su they'd just have 
to enter the password of the current user and they are root.





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Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <857394.80354...@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com>, Glyn Astill wrote:
>--- On Fri, 22/5/09, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.  wrote:
>> It's not equivalent to running as root, since (a) you have
>> to prefix
>> privileged operations with "sudo", (b) you have to re-auth
>> such actions by
>> entering your password and (c) your sudo credentials will
>> timeout
>> automatically after they are not used.
>
>Errr, yeah whatever Until they just do "sudo su" and they're in.
> ALL=(All) ALL is a bad idea.

Um, no.  With 'ALL=(ALL) ALL' they would still have to type in their 
password unless they had recently given their credentials.  If you want to 
you can turn off the caching of credentials, so that sudo always asks for a 
password.  You can also have it ask for the target user's password instead 
of the source user's password, if you like.

'ALL=(ALL) ALL' is no more dangerous than having the 'su' binary available.

The NOPASSWD option is not the default.
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Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

[Glyn Astill]

--- On Fri, 22/5/09, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.  wrote:

> From: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. 
> Subject: Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Date: Friday, 22 May, 2009, 8:14 PM
> In <20090522183807.ga16...@markshroyer.com>,
> Mark Shroyer wrote:
> >On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 06:56:18AM -0700, Thorny
> wrote:
> >> You've just advised an obvious newbie (stated in
> post) on how to make
> >> his system insecure. Giving ALL=(All) ALL rights
> to a normal user is
> >> pretty much the same as running as root and is not
> recommended on a
> >> Debian system.
> 
> It's not equivalent to running as root, since (a) you have
> to prefix 
> privileged operations with "sudo", (b) you have to re-auth
> such actions by 
> entering your password and (c) your sudo credentials will
> timeout 
> automatically after they are not used.


Errr, yeah whatever Until they just do "sudo su" and they're in. ALL=(All) 
ALL is a bad idea.
> 





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Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <78582fa40905221202r3efedabege566a47c61144...@mail.gmail.com>, S Scharf 
wrote:
>On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Mark Shroyer <
>subscriber+deb...@markshroyer.com 
>wrote:
>> It *would* be safer to use neither su nor sudo, and only have root log
>> in on a separate, secure console, thereby eliminating the possibility of
>> password sniffing from a compromised regular account.  However, few
>> desktop Linux users actually run their computers this way.
>
>Actually on most systems I use, root login from the console is
> dis-allowed, and the user
>must become root after logging into their own account. This provides an
>audit trail on who
>logged in as root.

This is also true of my Linux configurations.  I do not allow root logins 
via ssh and generally lock the root account so it can't be (directly) used 
from the terminal either.  Debian's "single-user mode" is intelligent enough 
not to ask for the (locked) root password; I'm not sure about other 
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RE: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

[George]

>From: S Scharf [mailto:ss11...@gmail.com] 
>Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 3:03 PM
>To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>Subject: Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)


>On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Mark Shroyer
 >wrote:

>It *would* be safer to use neither su nor sudo, and only have root log
>in on a separate, secure console, thereby eliminating the possibility of
>password sniffing from a compromised regular account.  However, few
>desktop Linux users actually run their computers this way.

>Actually on most systems I use, root login from the console is dis-allowed,
and the user
>must become root after logging into their own account. This provides an
audit trail on who
>logged in as root.

>Stuart

I was a little disappointed being called out on my suggestions in my
original post. Obviously the person isn’t a sys admin and from my
understanding the whole purpose of sudo is so the user only has root
privileges for that given command instead of during the entire terminal
session. I personally see nothing wrong with what I suggested other then
using visudo to edit the sudoers file instead of vim.  

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Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <20090522183807.ga16...@markshroyer.com>, Mark Shroyer wrote:
>On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 06:56:18AM -0700, Thorny wrote:
>> You've just advised an obvious newbie (stated in post) on how to make
>> his system insecure. Giving ALL=(All) ALL rights to a normal user is
>> pretty much the same as running as root and is not recommended on a
>> Debian system.

It's not equivalent to running as root, since (a) you have to prefix 
privileged operations with "sudo", (b) you have to re-auth such actions by 
entering your password and (c) your sudo credentials will timeout 
automatically after they are not used.

Using the NOPASSWD option is (usually) bad, but still leaves protection "a" 
from the above list in place.

>> It is what was asked for, sort of, but he may not have
>> have realized the significance.
>
>I have to call shenanigans on this.  What's the threat model, exactly,
>where it is safer to have a regular user su'ing to root than to have him
>use sudo to the same effect?

I also find the sudo approach scales better.  When one (super) user leaves 
the organization, you disable his or her credentials but leave the other 
users' credentials alone.  It's much better than having to change root's 
password and communicate that change to many people.  Because of security 
concerns passwords to be shared among as few people as possible; sudo (and 
some other tools) lets you do this with root privileges.

Even if you don't agree that asking for the user's password instead of 
root's password is a good thing, you can have sudo ask for root's password 
so that you get the "security" of su with the added flexibility of sudo.
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Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

[S Scharf]

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Mark Shroyer <
subscriber+deb...@markshroyer.com >wrote:

>
> It *would* be safer to use neither su nor sudo, and only have root log
> in on a separate, secure console, thereby eliminating the possibility of
> password sniffing from a compromised regular account.  However, few
> desktop Linux users actually run their computers this way.
>

Actually on most systems I use, root login from the console is dis-allowed,
and the user
must become root after logging into their own account. This provides an
audit trail on who
logged in as root.

Stuart

sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

[Mark Shroyer]

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 06:56:18AM -0700, Thorny wrote:
> You've just advised an obvious newbie (stated in post) on how to make his
> system insecure. Giving ALL=(All) ALL rights to a normal user is pretty
> much the same as running as root and is not recommended on a Debian
> system. It is what was asked for, sort of, but he may not have have
> realized the significance.

I have to call shenanigans on this.  What's the threat model, exactly,
where it is safer to have a regular user su'ing to root than to have him
use sudo to the same effect?

Suppose that an attacker has managed to execute code under a user's
account (say, through a web browser exploit), and wants to use this as a
stepping stone to root.  If the targeted account is in /etc/sudoers with
"ALL=(ALL) ALL" (but *not* NOPASSWD, obviously), then the attacker still
needs to capture the user's password before he can escalate privileges
through sudo.

If the targeted user uses su instead of sudo (and gksu instead of
gksudo), the situation is no better and no worse: if the attacker can
get code to run under the user's account, then he can attempt to log the
user's keystrokes until he obtains the root password.

It *would* be safer to use neither su nor sudo, and only have root log
in on a separate, secure console, thereby eliminating the possibility of
password sniffing from a compromised regular account.  However, few
desktop Linux users actually run their computers this way.

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RE: new to list, new to debian, new to linux

[Thorny]

On Fri, 22 May 2009 06:14:59 -0400, George posted:

> You have to install the sudo package to be able to use sudo.
> 
> 
>  
> If you want to install sudo you will first need to open a terminal and
> type:
> 
> $ su
> 
> $
> 
> # aptitude update <- let it do it’s thing and it will tell you if there
> are any updates
> 
> # aptitude safe-upgrade <- let it do it’s upgrade
> 
> # aptitude install sudo < let it install sudo
> 
> # vim /etc/sudoers < now you can edit the sudoers file and add your
> username. The new line will look just like the line for root except
> replace root with your username.
> 
> 
>  
> You should then be able to use sudo to run root commands.
> 

George,
You've just advised an obvious newbie (stated in post) on how to make his
system insecure. Giving ALL=(All) ALL rights to a normal user is pretty
much the same as running as root and is not recommended on a Debian
system. It is what was asked for, sort of, but he may not have have
realized the significance.

In addition you didn't advise to do a full-upgrade after the safe-upgrade
so it's possible that some packages on the system might not be upgraded.

And, you did it with a top-post and with HTML. Please don't top-post and
please use text only for the mailing list.

Dwain,
It is insecure to give a normal user *all* root rights with sudo. Since
you could use the Synaptic GUI package manager by entering root password,
you could upgrade from there or use the command line tool Aptitude by su
to root in the terminal before entering the aptitude commands. 

Just to be clear dwain, you are talking about a Debian Lenny install
aren't you, not one of the *buntu releases? The *buntu releases are
configured differently from Debian and included an "sudoer", by default
with install.


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Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux

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On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 08:45:03AM -0400, Bob Parnes wrote:
> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 06:24:49AM -0400, Daryl Styrk wrote:
> > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 06:14:59AM -0400, George wrote:
> > > You have to install the sudo package to be able to use sudo. 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > # vim /etc/sudoers < now you can edit the sudoers file and add your 
> > > username. The new line will look just like the line for root except 
> > > replace root with your username.
> > 
> > the command 'visudo' should be used to edit the sudoers file according to
> > the man page. 
> > 
> > "visudo edits the sudoers file in a safe fashion, analogous to vipw(8).
> > visudo locks the sudoers file against multiple simultaneous edits,
> > provides basic sanity checks, and checks for parse errors. If the sudoers
> > file is currently being edited you will receive a message to try again
> > later."
> > 
> > --
> > Daryl Styrk
> > Naples, FL USA
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> Here is my sudoers file, which may help as an example:
> 
> 
> # sudoers file.
> #
> # This file MUST be edited with the 'visudo' command as root.
> #
> # See the man page for details on how to write a sudoers file.
> #
> 
> # Host alias specification
> 
> # User alias specification
> 
> # Cmnd alias specification
> Cmnd_AliasHALT = /sbin/halt
> Cmnd_AliasREBOOT = /sbin/reboot
> Cmnd_AliasAPT = /usr/bin/apt-get, /usr/bin/aptitude
> Cmnd_AliasDPKG = /usr/bin/dpkg
> Cmnd_AliasMOUNT = /bin/mount, /bin/umount
> Cmnd_AliasKERNEL = /usr/bin/make, /usr/bin/make-kpkg
> 
> 
> # User privilege specification
> root  ALL=(ALL) ALL
> bpALL= HALT, REBOOT, APT, DPKG, MOUNT, KERNEL
> 
> #Defaults logfile=/var/log/sudolog
> Defaults:bp   timestamp_timeout=60
> -
> 
> Bob Parnes
> 
> 

I believe this was meant for the list. 

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RE: new to list, new to debian, new to linux

[George]

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On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 06:14:59AM -0400, George wrote:
> You have to install the sudo package to be able to use sudo. 
> 
>  
> # vim /etc/sudoers < now you can edit the sudoers file and add your
username. The new line will look just like the line for root except replace
root with your username.

the command 'visudo' should be used to edit the sudoers file according to
the man page. 

"visudo edits the sudoers file in a safe fashion, analogous to vipw(8).
visudo locks the sudoers file against multiple simultaneous edits,
provides basic sanity checks, and checks for parse errors. If the sudoers
file is currently being edited you will receive a message to try again
later."

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Definitely, I completely forgot about visudo. I am used to installing sudo
for the first package whenever I do a fresh install and am so used to using
vim for everything. 


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On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 06:14:59AM -0400, George wrote:
> You have to install the sudo package to be able to use sudo. 
> 
>  
> # vim /etc/sudoers < now you can edit the sudoers file and add your username. 
> The new line will look just like the line for root except replace root with 
> your username.

the command 'visudo' should be used to edit the sudoers file according to
the man page. 

"visudo edits the sudoers file in a safe fashion, analogous to vipw(8).
visudo locks the sudoers file against multiple simultaneous edits,
provides basic sanity checks, and checks for parse errors. If the sudoers
file is currently being edited you will receive a message to try again
later."

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RE: new to list, new to debian, new to linux

[George]

You have to install the sudo package to be able to use sudo. 

 

If you want to install sudo you will first need to open a terminal and type:

$ su

$

# aptitude update <- let it do it’s thing and it will tell you if there are any 
updates

# aptitude safe-upgrade <- let it do it’s upgrade

# aptitude install sudo < let it install sudo

# vim /etc/sudoers < now you can edit the sudoers file and add your username. 
The new line will look just like the line for root except replace root with 
your username.

 

You should then be able to use sudo to run root commands.

 


George Randall 

From: dwain [mailto:dwain.alf...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 4:03 AM
To: debian
Subject: new to list, new to debian, new to linux

 

hello all.  i just installed debian tonight next to win xp.  they seem to play 
well together.  i was trying to setup the bug report and found that i can't 
sudo into root.  i can get into the synaptic package manager with the root 
password and this has me a bit confused why i can't login as root in the 
terminal with sudo.  is there another command that i can try to do this?

also i would like to update my system.  would i: apt-get update and then: 
apt-get install to do this?

any help would be appreciated, but please keep your responses simple as i am 
trying to learn a new os and am in the process of migrating away from windows.

cheers,
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Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux

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On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 03:03:23AM -0500, dwain wrote:
> hello all.  i just installed debian tonight next to win xp.  they seem to
> play well together.  i was trying to setup the bug report and found that i
> can't sudo into root.  i can get into the synaptic package manager with the
> root password and this has me a bit confused why i can't login as root in
> the terminal with sudo.  is there another command that i can try to do this?
> 
> also i would like to update my system.  would i: apt-get update and then:
> apt-get install to do this?
> 
> any help would be appreciated, but please keep your responses simple as i am
> trying to learn a new os and am in the process of migrating away from
> windows.
> 
> cheers,
> dwain
> 
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What error msg are you getting?  Have you added yourself to the sudoers
file? 

Are you able to simply type 'su' and then be prompted for the root password?

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new to list, new to debian, new to linux

[dwain]

hello all.  i just installed debian tonight next to win xp.  they seem to
play well together.  i was trying to setup the bug report and found that i
can't sudo into root.  i can get into the synaptic package manager with the
root password and this has me a bit confused why i can't login as root in
the terminal with sudo.  is there another command that i can try to do this?

also i would like to update my system.  would i: apt-get update and then:
apt-get install to do this?

any help would be appreciated, but please keep your responses simple as i am
trying to learn a new os and am in the process of migrating away from
windows.

cheers,
dwain

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Re: new to debian but having installation problems

[Douglas Tutty]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 02:10:40PM -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> On Monday 01 January 2007 02:24, Mike Myers wrote:
> > On 1/1/07, Kamaraju Kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > m-a update
> > > m-a prepare
> > > m-a a-i nvidia
> > >
> > > modconf
> > >   -> select and load the nvidia module
 
> the modconf command essentially does what you would be doing with modprobe, 
> but in a "GUI" way. Both modconf, m-a are explained in their man pages (not 
> very clear but good enough if you know what they do).
> 
> Documentation on nvidia can be found at 
> http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html
> 

I'm using amd64 Etch.

I'm using nVIDIA EN7300GT silent and I'm using the nvidia driver since I
want to use hardware playback not software.  If I remember right, here's
how I did it (it wasn't painful at all in fact it was so simple it
didn't stick in my head too well):

Get x working with the nv driver.

Manually copy xorg.conf to xorg.conf.nv (later steps do
something similar but I'm paranoid)

install: (remember to have contrib and non-free in
/etc/apt/sources.list)
nvidia-glx 

(in my case) nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 (the generic nvidia
kernel package that matches the generic kernel package,
both depend on the most recent kernel, great for
updates).
 
nvidia-settings

nvidia-xconfig

read all the man pages and docs in /usr/share/doc/nvidia*

run nvidia-xconfig
it alters your xorg.conf file and gets everything ready
to run with the new module.  Module loading happens
automatically.

I never needed to use modconf or module-assistant or the source.

Good luck.

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Re: new to debian but having installation problems

[Kamaraju Kusumanchi]

On Monday 01 January 2007 02:24, Mike Myers wrote:
> On 1/1/07, Kamaraju Kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > m-a update
> > m-a prepare
> > m-a a-i nvidia
> >
> > modconf
> >   -> select and load the nvidia module
> >
> > m-a stands for the module-assistant. The above procedure requires for you
> > to
> > have contrib non-free (along with main) added to your apt-get mirrors in
> > the /etc/apt/sources.list
> >
> > You will need to do this every time you update your kernel.
> >
> > hth
> > raju
> >
>
> That's good to know!  What is all that doing behind the scenes?  I'm used
> to loading the module manually and adding a line in
> /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel- 2.6 so it is loaded while booting up.  So I
> would just do like,
>
> modprobe nvidia; echo "nvidia" >> /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6;
>
> and be done.  If you can point me to where I can RTFM that'd be awsome,
> heh.  Thanks!

the modconf command essentially does what you would be doing with modprobe, 
but in a "GUI" way. Both modconf, m-a are explained in their man pages (not 
very clear but good enough if you know what they do).

Documentation on nvidia can be found at 
http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html

It has been a long time since I have looked at these, so there might be other 
new documents as well.

raju


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Re: new to debian but having installation problems

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On 1/1/07, Kamaraju Kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Sunday 31 December 2006 12:24, Mike Myers wrote:
>
> Thanks for the tips!  I downloaded the etch cd and it detected my card
and
> installed fine.  The only issue now is getting the nvidia driver
installed.
> The 'nv' driver doesn't work with my widescreen display at all.  It
looks
> like to do this, I need to have a custom kernel so the driver from
nvidia
> can build a module for it.  Might there be an easier way to do this?

m-a update
m-a prepare
m-a a-i nvidia

modconf
  -> select and load the nvidia module

m-a stands for the module-assistant. The above procedure requires for you
to
have contrib non-free (along with main) added to your apt-get mirrors in
the /etc/apt/sources.list

You will need to do this every time you update your kernel.

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That's good to know!  What is all that doing behind the scenes?  I'm used to
loading the module manually and adding a line in
/etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel- 2.6 so it is loaded while booting up.  So I
would just do like,

modprobe nvidia; echo "nvidia" >> /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6;

and be done.  If you can point me to where I can RTFM that'd be awsome,
heh.  Thanks!

Re: new to debian but having installation problems

[Kamaraju Kusumanchi]

On Sunday 31 December 2006 12:24, Mike Myers wrote:
>
> Thanks for the tips!  I downloaded the etch cd and it detected my card and
> installed fine.  The only issue now is getting the nvidia driver installed.
> The 'nv' driver doesn't work with my widescreen display at all.  It looks
> like to do this, I need to have a custom kernel so the driver from nvidia
> can build a module for it.  Might there be an easier way to do this?

m-a update
m-a prepare
m-a a-i nvidia

modconf
  -> select and load the nvidia module

m-a stands for the module-assistant. The above procedure requires for you to 
have contrib non-free (along with main) added to your apt-get mirrors in 
the /etc/apt/sources.list

You will need to do this every time you update your kernel.

hth
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Re: new to debian but having installation problems

[Mike Myers]

Yes!  That's exactly what I was looking for.  I also had to install the
nvidia-glx package to allow xorg to use the driver.  Thanks a lot!

On 12/31/06, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 11:24:03AM -0600, Mike Myers wrote:
> >
> >
> Thanks for the tips!  I downloaded the etch cd and it detected my card
and
> installed fine.  The only issue now is getting the nvidia driver
installed.
> The 'nv' driver doesn't work with my widescreen display at all.  It
looks
> like to do this, I need to have a custom kernel so the driver from
nvidia
> can build a module for it.  Might there be an easier way to do this?

yup. install the nvidia-kernel package appropriate for your
system. you will have to add the 'non-free' repository to your
sources.list.

edit /etc/apt/sources.list
you will find a line like

deb http://somemirror.here.org/debian/ etch main

add to the end of that line "contrib non-free" without the quotes

deb http://somemirror.here.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free

use your favorite package manager to update the cache

apt-get update
aptitude update
etc.

apt-cache search nvidia-kernel and check out the various
packages. probably you want nvidia-kernel-2.6- or
nvidia-kernel-legacy-2.6-

enjoy

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Re: new to debian but having installation problems

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 11:24:03AM -0600, Mike Myers wrote:
> >
> Thanks for the tips!  I downloaded the etch cd and it detected my card and
> installed fine.  The only issue now is getting the nvidia driver installed.
> The 'nv' driver doesn't work with my widescreen display at all.  It looks
> like to do this, I need to have a custom kernel so the driver from nvidia
> can build a module for it.  Might there be an easier way to do this?

You can use a stock kernel just fine:

http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/

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On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 11:24:03AM -0600, Mike Myers wrote:
> >
> >
> Thanks for the tips!  I downloaded the etch cd and it detected my card and
> installed fine.  The only issue now is getting the nvidia driver installed.
> The 'nv' driver doesn't work with my widescreen display at all.  It looks
> like to do this, I need to have a custom kernel so the driver from nvidia
> can build a module for it.  Might there be an easier way to do this?

yup. install the nvidia-kernel package appropriate for your
system. you will have to add the 'non-free' repository to your
sources.list.

edit /etc/apt/sources.list
you will find a line like

deb http://somemirror.here.org/debian/ etch main

add to the end of that line "contrib non-free" without the quotes

deb http://somemirror.here.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free

use your favorite package manager to update the cache

apt-get update
aptitude update
etc.

apt-cache search nvidia-kernel and check out the various
packages. probably you want nvidia-kernel-2.6- or
nvidia-kernel-legacy-2.6-

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[Mike Myers]

On 12/31/06, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 11:36:57PM -0600, Mike Myers wrote:
> On 12/30/06, Roberto C. Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 11:20:41PM -0600, Mike Myers wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks for the prompt response!
> >>
> >> I'm using the i386 netinst.  The ethernet card is an intel
1000gigabit
> >> ethernet pro.  When I boot to the cd and go into a second terminal,
> >lspci
[...]
>
> Anyways, I still have Gentoo on that machine, and lspci just tells me
> that
> it's an Intel 1000Gigabit Ethernet Pro.  I'm not at the machine now to
> copy
> it verbatim, but it uses the e1000 driver in the kernel.  The install cd

not sure exactly which 2.6.8 kernel is in the sarge install, but I
still have 2.6.8-2 hanging around and it has the e1000 module, so
probably a 'linux26' when booting the installer would do it. if not,
then the etch install definitely will.

A



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Thanks for the tips!  I downloaded the etch cd and it detected my card and
installed fine.  The only issue now is getting the nvidia driver installed.
The 'nv' driver doesn't work with my widescreen display at all.  It looks
like to do this, I need to have a custom kernel so the driver from nvidia
can build a module for it.  Might there be an easier way to do this?

Re: new to debian but having installation problems

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 11:36:57PM -0600, Mike Myers wrote:
> On 12/30/06, Roberto C. Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 11:20:41PM -0600, Mike Myers wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks for the prompt response!
> >>
> >> I'm using the i386 netinst.  The ethernet card is an intel 1000gigabit
> >> ethernet pro.  When I boot to the cd and go into a second terminal,
> >lspci
[...]
> 
> Anyways, I still have Gentoo on that machine, and lspci just tells me 
> that
> it's an Intel 1000Gigabit Ethernet Pro.  I'm not at the machine now to 
> copy
> it verbatim, but it uses the e1000 driver in the kernel.  The install cd 

not sure exactly which 2.6.8 kernel is in the sarge install, but I
still have 2.6.8-2 hanging around and it has the e1000 module, so
probably a 'linux26' when booting the installer would do it. if not,
then the etch install definitely will.

A



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Re: new to debian but having installation problems

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On 12/30/2006 11:05 PM, Mike Myers wrote:

Hello,

I'm new to debian, but not to linux.  I've been using Gentoo for the past 6
years or so, but I'm getting tired of having to make sure any new updates
aren't going to destroy my systems.  I'm just wanting a system I can use
instead of babysit.  So I was going to try debian out because of apt-get,
and the fact that it has releases instead of having major updates released
on live systems.

So anyways, I grabbed the netinst install cd and boot to it, only to find
out that it can't find my e1000 ethernet card...?  Is there some kind of
known problem with this card and the netinst cd or something?  I can use it
without any problems in Gentoo and windows.

Any help would be appreciated!



My advice, part 1: See if the e1000 is recognized when you boot with the 
linux26 boot option. That uses a more recent kernel that recognizes a 
little more hardware.


My advice, part 2: Use Etch. Etch is *far* more up-to-date than Sarge, 
and Etch will become the new "Stable" soon, and Etch certainly accepts 
more hardware than Sarge.



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Re: new to debian but having installation problems

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 11:36:57PM -0600, Mike Myers wrote:
> I got the i386 stable.. which I think is sarge? (i'm not caught up on the
> lingo yet :P)  Here's the url I used:
> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r4-i386-netinst.iso
> 
Etch will be release Any Day Now(TM), so you probably want to use that
instead.  The kernel in Sarge is quite old.  Etch has a much more
current kernel with more up to date drivers.

> Anyways, I still have Gentoo on that machine, and lspci just tells me that
> it's an Intel 1000Gigabit Ethernet Pro.  I'm not at the machine now to copy
> it verbatim, but it uses the e1000 driver in the kernel.  The install cd has
> that module in the list of modules for network cards, but the installer says
> it can't find the card.  I can try to tinker with it when I get home in
> about 20 minutes.  With my kind of luck, I prolly just need to modprobe it
> instead of rely on the installer to find it >.>

I am guessing that trying Etch will solve the problem.  If not, you will
likely need to provide the verbatim output of lspci.

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: new to debian but having installation problems

[Mike Myers]

On 12/30/06, Roberto C. Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 11:20:41PM -0600, Mike Myers wrote:
>
> Thanks for the prompt response!
>
> I'm using the i386 netinst.  The ethernet card is an intel 1000gigabit
> ethernet pro.  When I boot to the cd and go into a second terminal,
lspci
> doesn't run.  I guess it doesn't come with the netinst livecd.

Did you get the Sarge, Etch or Sid netinst?  Do you have Gentoo
installed on the system?  If so, use that to run lspci.  If not, do you
have a LiveCD (Knoppix or something like that) that you can use?

Regards,

-Roberto

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I got the i386 stable.. which I think is sarge? (i'm not caught up on the
lingo yet :P)  Here's the url I used:
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r4-i386-netinst.iso

Anyways, I still have Gentoo on that machine, and lspci just tells me that
it's an Intel 1000Gigabit Ethernet Pro.  I'm not at the machine now to copy
it verbatim, but it uses the e1000 driver in the kernel.  The install cd has
that module in the list of modules for network cards, but the installer says
it can't find the card.  I can try to tinker with it when I get home in
about 20 minutes.  With my kind of luck, I prolly just need to modprobe it
instead of rely on the installer to find it >.>

Re: new to debian but having installation problems

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 11:20:41PM -0600, Mike Myers wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the prompt response!
> 
> I'm using the i386 netinst.  The ethernet card is an intel 1000gigabit
> ethernet pro.  When I boot to the cd and go into a second terminal, lspci
> doesn't run.  I guess it doesn't come with the netinst livecd.

Did you get the Sarge, Etch or Sid netinst?  Do you have Gentoo
installed on the system?  If so, use that to run lspci.  If not, do you
have a LiveCD (Knoppix or something like that) that you can use?

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: new to debian but having installation problems

[Mike Myers]

On 12/30/06, Roberto C. Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 11:05:09PM -0600, Mike Myers wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm new to debian, but not to linux.  I've been using Gentoo for the
past 6
> years or so, but I'm getting tired of having to make sure any new
updates
> aren't going to destroy my systems.  I'm just wanting a system I can use
> instead of babysit.  So I was going to try debian out because of
apt-get,
> and the fact that it has releases instead of having major updates
released
> on live systems.
>

Welcom to the wonderful world of Debian!



Thanks!


So anyways, I grabbed the netinst install cd and boot to it, only to find
> out that it can't find my e1000 ethernet card...?  Is there some kind of
> known problem with this card and the netinst cd or something?  I can use
it
> without any problems in Gentoo and windows.
>
Which netinst CD did you download?  Which e1000 card do you have?  Maybe
the output of `lspci -vvv` showing the section for that card?

> Any help would be appreciated!

Regards,

-Roberto
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Thanks for the prompt response!

I'm using the i386 netinst.  The ethernet card is an intel 1000gigabit
ethernet pro.  When I boot to the cd and go into a second terminal, lspci
doesn't run.  I guess it doesn't come with the netinst livecd.