Re: package manager

[Charles Curley]

On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 11:57:58 -0600
William Torrez Corea  wrote:

> > Hit:8 https://repo.steampowered.com/steam stable InRelease
> >
> > Hit:9 https://ftp.postgresql.org/pub/pgadmin/pgadmin4/apt/bullseye
> > pgadmin4 InRelease
> > Hit:10 tor+http://deb.ooni.org unstable InRelease
> > Err:4 http://repo.mysql.com/apt/debian bullseye InRelease
> >   The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public
> > key is not available: NO_PUBKEY B7B3B788A8D3785C

First, what Andy Smith  said. You have a lot of
non-Debian repos in there, and there's no guarantee they will play
nicely with each other.

Second, in Hit 9 in the quoted results above, you are trying to pull
from the postgres repo for bullseye, when at the top you are pulling
from bookworm updates (Hit 1). Crossing different different Debian
versions like that is also a recipe for problems.

Third, when you copy and paste from a terminal to an email, copy an
paste the whole thing, including leading and trailing command line
prompts. Otherwise we're guessing what you did and may miss significant
information.

Fourth, that "NO_PUBKEY B7B3B788A8D3785C" above indicates that you do
not have the key for that repo. I would search on that phrase and see
what comes up. Failing that, go to the repo's web site, find and follow
instructions there on how to get (and verify) the missing key.


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Re: package manager

[Andy Smith]

Hi William,

On Sat, Dec 23, 2023 at 11:57:58AM -0600, William Torrez Corea wrote:
> > W: An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is
> > not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error:
> > http://repo.mysql.com/apt/debian bullseye InRelease: The following
> > signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available:
> > NO_PUBKEY B7B3B788A8D3785C
> > W: tor+http://deb.ooni.org/dists/unstable/InRelease: Key is stored in
> > legacy trusted.gpg keyring (/etc/apt/trusted.gpg), see the DEPRECATION
> > section in apt-key(8) for details.
> > W: Failed to fetch
> > http://repo.mysql.com/apt/debian/dists/bullseye/InRelease  The following
> > signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available:
> > NO_PUBKEY B7B3B788A8D3785C
> > W: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old
> > ones used instead.

The repositories that you're having problems with aren't official
Debian repositories, so you might need to ask them about the
problems, or at the very least have a look at each of their
documentations to see if you are still using them correctly.

You have a lot of non-standard repositories here so you really need
to know what you are doing in order to not break your system. There
is no real guarantee that all of the repositories you're using are
designed to be used with Debian bullseye or with each other.

> I try remove some packages
> 
> *apt purge tor*
> 
> Reading package lists... Done
> > Building dependency tree... Done
> > Reading state information... Done
> > The following packages will be REMOVED:
> >   tor*
> > 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
> > 11 not fully installed or removed.
> > After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used.
> > Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
> > Setting up mysql-common (8.0.35-1debian11) ...
> > update-alternatives: error: alternative path /etc/mysql/my.cnf.fallback
> > doesn't
> > exist
> > dpkg: error processing package mysql-common (--configure):

etc..

So this might seem confusing but the situation you're in is that the
MySQL package (which you got from a non-Debian source so possibly
can't be advised upon here except in general terms) failed to
uninstall and as a result no further apt operations can be done
until that is resolved.

Possibly if you don't care about the sanctity of whatever MySQL data
exists on your system you can forcibly remove these MySQL packages
with a set of "dpkg -r" operations.

Failing that you may need to look in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ for the
various .postinst scripts which will be named after the MySQL
packages. These are what are failing to run. You can fix them to
work or you can delete them so they don't need to be run. After
that, removal should be possible. Once the MySQL problem is fixed,
your apt should start being functional again. Or else you find the
next problem. 

These are quite advanced topics. If this seems daunting, I would
advise trying to keep third-party repositories at a minimum.

You may also want to consult MySQL support for advise about problems
you're experiencing removing their packages.

Thanks,
Andy

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Re: easy package manager for debian based distros

[David Wright]

On Sat 09 Jul 2022 at 08:58:36 (-0400), Devin Harper wrote:
[reordered into some sort of logical order]
> please add the most necessary and common examples of package management
> with apt to the synopsis of "man apt".

> the commands that should be in the synopsis are "sudo apt update",
> "apt search [app name]", "sudo apt install [app name]", "sudo apt upgrade",
> "sudo apt remove [app name]", "sudo apt purge [app name]", " sudo apt
> autoremove".

You obviously know what you want this synopsis to look like, so
I suggest you get writing, rather than leaving it up to someone else
to second-guess what it is you want.

> this will act as a readme for all
> debian based distros to use apt as their only package manager.

> then distros can just say read "man apt" upon install and look
> at the synopsis section to tell people how to use their/your package
> manager.

That presumably means that you're going to collate all the options etc
that are documented alsewhere, so that they all appear under man apt.

> then we can get rid of the inferior and discrete guis for package
> management.

> cli package
> management is way better than ubuntu's software package manager for
> example.

You seem to have forgotten about visual tools that are text-based,
such as aptitude. Where do these fit into your grand scheme?

Finally, it's not in the nature of free software to be proscriptive
about what's available. People will continue to write whatever
software they feel like writing despite your judgmentalism.

Cheers,
David.

easy package manager for debian based distros

[Devin Harper]

hi
please add the most necessary and common examples of package management
with apt to the synopsis of "man apt". this will act as a readme for all
debian based distros to use apt as their only package manager. cli package
management is way better than ubuntu's software package manager for
example. the commands that should be in the synopsis are "sudo apt update",
"apt search [app name]", "sudo apt install [app name]", "sudo apt upgrade",
"sudo apt remove [app name]", "sudo apt purge [app name]", " sudo apt
autoremove". then distros can just say read "man apt" upon install and look
at the synopsis section to tell people how to use their/your package
manager. then we can get rid of the inferior and discrete guis for package
management.

sincerely devin wesley harper

Re: Disable/skip/ignore !! Configure the package manager dialog in preseed

[Ravi Roy]

On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 12:02 PM, Ravi Roy  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> [!!] Configure the package manager
>
>Cannot access repository
> The repository on xx.xx.xx.xx could not be accessed, so its updates will
> not be made available to you at this time. You should investigate it later.
> Commented out entries for xx.xx.xx.xx have been add /etc/apt/sources.list
>
> 
>  
>
> Does somebody have faced this issue? i did googling but did not get a
> workaround/fix for this
>
> Just want to mention here for reference if somebody face this issue - it
can be resolved by adding the following entry into preseed.

d-i apt-setup/services-select multiselect

Thank you.

Disable/skip/ignore !! Configure the package manager dialog in preseed

[Ravi Roy]

Hi,

I'm using PXE boot server to install debian 9 using preseed in headless way.
I'm using my product DVD as local debian reposiotry (having main contrib
and non-free) sections enabled.

I've to install some tools from non-free sections so i'm putting

local repo configuration:

d-i mirror/protocol http
d-i mirror/country string manual
d-i mirror/http/hostname string xx.xx.xx.xx
d-i mirror/http/directory string /
d-i mirror/http/proxy string
d-i debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated boolean true

To enable non-free tools to be installed i'm using :

d-i apt-setup/non-free boolean true
d-i apt-setup/contrib boolean true

It works as expected but i getting below mentioned annoying dialog which
i'm not sure how to ignore/skip/disable using pressed and should be able to
install non-free and contrib tools from local repo:

[!!] Configure the package manager

   Cannot access repository
The repository on xx.xx.xx.xx could not be accessed, so its updates will
not be made available to you at this time. You should investigate it later.
Commented out entries for xx.xx.xx.xx have been add /etc/apt/sources.list


 

Does somebody have faced this issue? i did googling but did not get a
workaround/fix for this

Thank you.
Ravi.

Aptitude package manager "package" Solved

[OECT T]

Hi all:

I appreciate everyone’s answer, now I’m clear that “aptitude” is still one of 
the main tool for package managing.

I installed from a CD Rom created by jigdo and I verified myself the iso image 
with md5sum and sha1sums.

The only different thing I did from previous installations is that this time I 
choose Graphic Installation.

# apt-cache policy aptitude (shows the next result):
aptitude:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 0.8.7-1
  Version table:
 0.8.7-1 500
500 cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 9.3.0 _Stretch_ - Official amd64 DVD 
Binary-1 20171209-12:11] stretch/main amd64 Packages
500 http://ftp.mx.debian.org/debian stretch/main amd64 Packages

Regards to everyone and thanks again


Oscar Corte

Re: Packages web page, was Re: Aptitude package manager "package"

[David Wright]

On Wed 24 Jan 2018 at 16:38:24 (+), Curt wrote:
> On 2018-01-24,   wrote:
> >
> >> > [1] https://packages.debian.org/
> >> > [2] 
> >> > https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=aptitude=names=all=all
> >> 
> >> Hm. I had occasion to go to ¹ yesterday. (In passing, if I remove the
> >> word "index", I end up at a different page ² but the results are the
> >> same.) With the defaults (package names/stetch/any) I typed syslog.
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >> OK, so syslog-ng seems to have more heads than a hydra, but what was
> >> more concerning was that there was no mention of rsyslog (which was
> >> what I was really interested in).
> >
> > Not a real solution, but a trick would be to choose "source packages";
> > this cuts down a few of the hydra's heads, and rsyslog shows then up.
> > Given that a source package gives birth to three binary packages (or
> > sometimes many more), some amount of combinatorial explosion is not
> > surprising.
> >
> 
> I ticked 'Descriptions' (for 'stable', 'any') which searches package
> names and descriptions, and the keyword 'syslog' returned 101 matching
> packages, of which rsyslog was one.
> 
> I'm not sure that demonstrates anything of any utility, though.

Well, it nicely demonstrates that 29 was nowhere near the limit
that it feels it has to place on the number of results.

And as Debian fragments its packages more and more, perhaps
that limit should be (a) selectable and (b) behave as a
cut-off, ie display matches up to the limit instead of nothing.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Packages web page, was Re: Aptitude package manager "package"

[Cindy-Sue Causey]

On 1/24/18, to...@tuxteam.de  wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 09:05:08AM -0600, David Wright wrote:

>> So forget using this page for anything really vague like kernel-image,
>> even if you set suite, section and then architecture; it can't even
>> show you the most basic generic versions like linux-image-686-pae, but
>> only "You have searched for packages that [sic] names contain
>> kernel-image
>> in suite(s) stretch, all★ sections, and architecture(s) amd64." and
>> "Your keyword was too generic. Please consider using a longer keyword
>> or more keywords."
>
> I do use that page as a second source, whenever I don't understand
> what apt/aptitude are trying to tell me -- or whenever I'm looking
> up something for a distribution I currently don't have access to.
> For that, the page is invaluable to me, despite its defficiencies.
>
> YMMV, and all that :-)


Absolutely. Searching packages for releases I don't have parked on a
partition at the moment is the biggest reason I turn to that webpage
these days. That type of search will most often be because of an
inquiry someone has made here on Debian-User. Seems like most often it
will be about the availability of packages that maybe Developers have
held back or some suchly.. :)

Cindy :)
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with duct tape *

Re: Packages web page, was Re: Aptitude package manager "package"

[Cindy-Sue Causey]

Good morning.. :) I just noticed Webmaster was CC'd here. I left that
in place because who knows when it comes to various Debian features
evolving their perks over time.. :)


On 1/24/18, David Wright <deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk> wrote:
> On Wed 24 Jan 2018 at 10:53:17 (+0100), to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 10:21:45AM +0100, Floris wrote:
>> > Op Tue, 23 Jan 2018 20:44:19 +0100 schreef OECT T
>> > <oect_1...@hotmail.com>:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> > >I searched into Synaptics package manager and noticed that the
>> > >package is not marked with the Debian icon >indicating that the
>> > >package is not supported.
>> > >
>> > On my system (Debian sid) aptitude has the Debian logo in synaptics.
>>
>> Folks, learn to use the web site. Just surf over to [1] and you can
>> query the current package database. For example, entering "aptitude"
>> into the form and choosing "any" as Distribution shows you what
>> distributions carry aptitude as a package [2] (and which versions
>> of said package are in each distrib).
>> [1] https://packages.debian.org/
>> [2]
>> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=aptitude=names=all=all
>
> Hm. I had occasion to go to ¹ yesterday. (In passing, if I remove the
> word "index", I end up at a different page ² but the results are the
> same.) With the defaults (package names/stetch/any) I typed syslog.


Sometime in the past, I accidentally figured out that it's trained to
redirect to search if you simply attach a sought after package name to
the end, e.g.

https://packages.debian.org/aptitude

That redirects to:

https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=aptitude

That feature's primary benefit is that the initial URL is short and
thus *cognitively friendly* to remember for the more generic of
searches. Yes, that's for simple, head on searches. No, that method is
not handy when one is trying to dig deeper in for answers.


> With only 29 matches returned, I was surprised to also get the message
> "Your keyword was too generic, for optimizing reasons some results
> might have been suppressed. Please consider using a longer keyword or
> more keywords." ³


I get that... A LOT... lol


> OK, so syslog-ng seems to have more heads than a hydra, but what was
> more concerning was that there was no mention of rsyslog (which was
> what I was really interested in).
>
> So forget using this page for anything really vague like kernel-image,


PERFECT example. kernel-image is the one that sent it into serious
tizzies for me a couple months ago. Whatever I encountered overwhelmed
it so much that I either tossed the search to the side to try again
later or reverted back to digging around in apt-cache that day.


> even if you set suite, section and then architecture; it can't even
> show you the most basic generic versions like linux-image-686-pae, but
> only "You have searched for packages that [sic] names contain kernel-image
> in suite(s) stretch, all★ sections, and architecture(s) amd64." and
> "Your keyword was too generic. Please consider using a longer keyword
> or more keywords."
>
> ★ yes, selecting the architecture widens the sections back to all.
>
> ¹
> https://packages.debian.org/index
> ²
> https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
> ³
> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=syslog=names=stretch=all


I'm not sure why I do end up on packages.debian.org occasionally. I
primarily rely on "apt-cache search" for my own nosing around.

One thing I like about apt-cache is that you can do partial word
searches which is a *cognitively friendly* perk for me. For others,
that would be a negative perk because it brings in too much
information. A partial word example would be:

apt-cache search deskto environm

That particular perk has helped me answer at least one question here
on Debian-User, now that I think about it. Someone will be looking for
a package they absolutely cannot find. By chipping away at the end of
the sought after package name, apt-cache has eventually landed either
the correct package name or a viable alternative.

apt-cache gets a LOT of attention from me every day. For example, I've
never been 100% confident in my grasp of certain terms such as
"desktop environment" versus other concepts. Before I comment on that
topic anywhere, I sometimes turn to my apt-cache and plug that in to
make sure I'm using it correctly based on what packages apt-cache
returns for that phrase.

Another way I use apt-cache is to seek out a package that I know by
name then check out that package's description via "apt-cache show
[package-name]". I then take keywords from THAT description and plug
them back into "apt-cache search" to see if anything new looks worth
downloading for fun and giggles... not to mention potentially borking
an otherwise stable setup so as to have an excuse to check out
debootstrap yet again... :)

Cindy :)
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Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with duct tape *

Re: Packages web page, was Re: Aptitude package manager "package"

[Curt]

On 2018-01-24,   wrote:
>
>> > [1] https://packages.debian.org/
>> > [2] 
>> > https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=aptitude=names=all=all
>> 
>> Hm. I had occasion to go to ¹ yesterday. (In passing, if I remove the
>> word "index", I end up at a different page ² but the results are the
>> same.) With the defaults (package names/stetch/any) I typed syslog.
>
> [...]
>
>> OK, so syslog-ng seems to have more heads than a hydra, but what was
>> more concerning was that there was no mention of rsyslog (which was
>> what I was really interested in).
>
> Not a real solution, but a trick would be to choose "source packages";
> this cuts down a few of the hydra's heads, and rsyslog shows then up.
> Given that a source package gives birth to three binary packages (or
> sometimes many more), some amount of combinatorial explosion is not
> surprising.
>

I ticked 'Descriptions' (for 'stable', 'any') which searches package
names and descriptions, and the keyword 'syslog' returned 101 matching
packages, of which rsyslog was one.

I'm not sure that demonstrates anything of any utility, though.

The page informed me of the following concerning the results:

 Note that this only shows the best matches, sorted by relevance. If the
 first few packages don't match what you searched for, try using more
 keywords or alternative keywords.

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is running the country.” – Kurt Vonnegut

Re: Aptitude package manager "package"

[davidson]

On Tue, 23 Jan 2018, OECT T wrote:


Hi all:


I just installed Debian Stretch 9.3.0 and noticed that the Aptitude
package was not installed by default.

I searched into Synaptics package manager and noticed that the
package is not marked with the Debian icon indicating that the
package is not supported.

I would appreciate any comments about it.

What other command line packages are recommended instead of
Aptitude?


This reference work (which you cite)

 Debian Reference :: Chapter 2. Debian package management
 https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html

discusses

 * apt-get,
 * apt,
 * aptitude,

and even has a section devoted to a comparison of the three:

 2.2.1. apt vs. apt-get / apt-cache vs. aptitude
 
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_literal_apt_literal_vs_literal_apt_get_literal_literal_apt_cache_literal_vs_literal_aptitude_literal

Re: Packages web page, was Re: Aptitude package manager "package"

[tomas]

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On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 09:05:08AM -0600, David Wright wrote:
> On Wed 24 Jan 2018 at 10:53:17 (+0100), to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 10:21:45AM +0100, Floris wrote:
> > > Op Tue, 23 Jan 2018 20:44:19 +0100 schreef OECT T <oect_1...@hotmail.com>:
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> > > >I searched into Synaptics package manager and noticed that the
> > > >package is not marked with the Debian icon >indicating that the
> > > >package is not supported.
> > > >
> > > On my system (Debian sid) aptitude has the Debian logo in synaptics.
> > 
> > Folks, learn to use the web site. Just surf over to [1] and you can
> > query the current package database. For example, entering "aptitude"
> > into the form and choosing "any" as Distribution shows you what
> > distributions carry aptitude as a package [2] (and which versions
> > of said package are in each distrib).
> > [1] https://packages.debian.org/
> > [2] 
> > https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=aptitude=names=all=all
> 
> Hm. I had occasion to go to ¹ yesterday. (In passing, if I remove the
> word "index", I end up at a different page ² but the results are the
> same.) With the defaults (package names/stetch/any) I typed syslog.

[...]

> OK, so syslog-ng seems to have more heads than a hydra, but what was
> more concerning was that there was no mention of rsyslog (which was
> what I was really interested in).

Not a real solution, but a trick would be to choose "source packages";
this cuts down a few of the hydra's heads, and rsyslog shows then up.
Given that a source package gives birth to three binary packages (or
sometimes many more), some amount of combinatorial explosion is not
surprising.

> So forget using this page for anything really vague like kernel-image,
> even if you set suite, section and then architecture; it can't even
> show you the most basic generic versions like linux-image-686-pae, but
> only "You have searched for packages that [sic] names contain kernel-image
> in suite(s) stretch, all★ sections, and architecture(s) amd64." and
> "Your keyword was too generic. Please consider using a longer keyword
> or more keywords."

I do use that page as a second source, whenever I don't understand
what apt/aptitude are trying to tell me -- or whenever I'm looking
up something for a distribution I currently don't have access to.
For that, the page is invaluable to me, despite its defficiencies.

YMMV, and all that :-)

Cheers
- -- tomás
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Packages web page, was Re: Aptitude package manager "package"

[David Wright]

On Wed 24 Jan 2018 at 10:53:17 (+0100), to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 10:21:45AM +0100, Floris wrote:
> > Op Tue, 23 Jan 2018 20:44:19 +0100 schreef OECT T <oect_1...@hotmail.com>:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > >I searched into Synaptics package manager and noticed that the
> > >package is not marked with the Debian icon >indicating that the
> > >package is not supported.
> > >
> > On my system (Debian sid) aptitude has the Debian logo in synaptics.
> 
> Folks, learn to use the web site. Just surf over to [1] and you can
> query the current package database. For example, entering "aptitude"
> into the form and choosing "any" as Distribution shows you what
> distributions carry aptitude as a package [2] (and which versions
> of said package are in each distrib).
> [1] https://packages.debian.org/
> [2] 
> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=aptitude=names=all=all

Hm. I had occasion to go to ¹ yesterday. (In passing, if I remove the
word "index", I end up at a different page ² but the results are the
same.) With the defaults (package names/stetch/any) I typed syslog.

With only 29 matches returned, I was surprised to also get the message
"Your keyword was too generic, for optimizing reasons some results
might have been suppressed. Please consider using a longer keyword or
more keywords." ³

OK, so syslog-ng seems to have more heads than a hydra, but what was
more concerning was that there was no mention of rsyslog (which was
what I was really interested in).

So forget using this page for anything really vague like kernel-image,
even if you set suite, section and then architecture; it can't even
show you the most basic generic versions like linux-image-686-pae, but
only "You have searched for packages that [sic] names contain kernel-image
in suite(s) stretch, all★ sections, and architecture(s) amd64." and
"Your keyword was too generic. Please consider using a longer keyword
or more keywords."

★ yes, selecting the architecture widens the sections back to all.

¹
https://packages.debian.org/index
²
https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
³
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=syslog=names=stretch=all

Cheers,
David.

Re: Aptitude package manager "package"

[Brian]

On Tue 23 Jan 2018 at 19:44:19 +, OECT T wrote:

> I just installed Debian Stretch 9.3.0 and noticed that the Aptitude
> package was not installed by default.

The correct conclusion to draw from this is that aptitude does not have
a Priority: higher than optional in stretch.
 
> I searched into Synaptics package manager and noticed that the package
> is not marked with the Debian icon indicating that the package is not
> supported.

This conclusion has been comprehensively dealt with by Tomas.

> I would appreciate any comments about it.
> 
> What other command line packages are recommended instead of Aptitude?
> 
> Is Aptitude or will be soon a deprecated package ? (Debian Reference
> still contains a good deal of information about Aptitude)

No.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Aptitude package manager "package"

[Brad Rogers]

On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 19:44:19 +
OECT T <oect_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hello OECT,

>I just installed Debian Stretch 9.3.0 and noticed that the Aptitude
>package was not installed by default.

With a Priority of 'optional', it won't be installed at installation
time unless you specifically request that it be.

>I searched into Synaptics package manager and noticed that the package
>is not marked with the Debian icon indicating that the package is not
>supported.

That's not necessarily what the (lack of) icon means at all.  It can
simply be that the relevant package is not in 'main', but resides in
either 'contrib' or 'non-free'.  Of course, obsolete and local packages
won't have the Debian logo either because they're no longer in the
repos.  In Synaptic here (on a testing machine, as it happens) Aptitude
has the Debian logo alongside.

In any case, aptitude is listed as available in Stretch, so I'm not sure
as to why you're not seeing with the logo.  See;
https://packages.debian.org/stretch/aptitude

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Re: Aptitude package manager "package"

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> >Folks, learn to use the web site [...]

> Thanks for explaining how to use the internet /s

Always glad to help.

> >For aptitude, it turns out that aptitude is in wheezy (aka 7, aka

[...]

> Maybe you could point the OP a way how to find out what is wrong?

Well, I did the start by pointing out how to double-check whatever
Synaptics is displaying. Since I don't have much experience with
it (I tried to explain why), I'll leave the second part to you.

Cheers
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Re: Aptitude package manager "package"

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 07:44:19PM +, OECT T wrote:

I just installed Debian Stretch 9.3.0 and noticed that the Aptitude
package was not installed by default.

I searched into Synaptics package manager and noticed that the package
is not marked with the Debian icon indicating that the package is not
supported.


I do not know what conditions cause the Debian icon to appear or not
appear in Synaptic. However, aptitude is a first-class package in the
main area of the Debian archive, it's as supported as any other Debian
package in that place.

I think the use of aptitude *when performing a Debian release upgrade*
is not recommended anymore but for normal use it is perfectly fine.

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Re: Aptitude package manager "package"

[Floris]

Op Wed, 24 Jan 2018 10:53:17 +0100 schreef <to...@tuxteam.de>:


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On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 10:21:45AM +0100, Floris wrote:
Op Tue, 23 Jan 2018 20:44:19 +0100 schreef OECT T  
<oect_1...@hotmail.com>:


[...]


>I searched into Synaptics package manager and noticed that the
>package is not marked with the Debian icon >indicating that the
>package is not supported.
>
On my system (Debian sid) aptitude has the Debian logo in synaptics.


Folks, learn to use the web site. Just surf over to [1] and you can
query the current package database. For example, entering "aptitude"
into the form and choosing "any" as Distribution shows you what
distributions carry aptitude as a package [2] (and which versions
of said package are in each distrib).


Thanks for explaining how to use the internet /s


For aptitude, it turns out that aptitude is in wheezy (aka 7, aka
(currently) oldoldstable), jessie (aka 8, aka oldstable), stretch
(aka 9, aka stable), buster (aka testing) and sid (aka unstable).

Thus either the icon in Synaptics is wrong (check your package
sources, check your update status) or whatever Synaptics is trying
to tell you with this icon is not what you think it's telling you.


Maybe you could point the OP a way how to find out what is wrong?


Personally, I've perceived Synaptics as pretty unpredictable, but
I've never found out whether it's the program or it's me.


Synaptics is very useful for users who wants a GUI for apt or dpkg. But I  
agree with you when there is a dependency issue it isn't very useful.



[1] https://packages.debian.org/
[2]  
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=aptitude=names=all=all

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On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 10:21:45AM +0100, Floris wrote:
> Op Tue, 23 Jan 2018 20:44:19 +0100 schreef OECT T <oect_1...@hotmail.com>:

[...]

> >I searched into Synaptics package manager and noticed that the
> >package is not marked with the Debian icon >indicating that the
> >package is not supported.
> >
> On my system (Debian sid) aptitude has the Debian logo in synaptics.

Folks, learn to use the web site. Just surf over to [1] and you can
query the current package database. For example, entering "aptitude"
into the form and choosing "any" as Distribution shows you what
distributions carry aptitude as a package [2] (and which versions
of said package are in each distrib).

For aptitude, it turns out that aptitude is in wheezy (aka 7, aka
(currently) oldoldstable), jessie (aka 8, aka oldstable), stretch
(aka 9, aka stable), buster (aka testing) and sid (aka unstable).

Thus either the icon in Synaptics is wrong (check your package
sources, check your update status) or whatever Synaptics is trying
to tell you with this icon is not what you think it's telling you.

Personally, I've perceived Synaptics as pretty unpredictable, but
I've never found out whether it's the program or it's me.

Cheers

[1] https://packages.debian.org/
[2] 
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Re: Aptitude package manager "package"

[Floris]

Op Tue, 23 Jan 2018 20:44:19 +0100 schreef OECT T <oect_1...@hotmail.com>:





Hi all:





I just installed Debian Stretch 9.3.0 and noticed that the Aptitude  
package was not installed by default.




I searched into Synaptics package manager and noticed that the package  
is not marked with the Debian icon >indicating that the package is not  
supported.


On my system (Debian sid) aptitude has the Debian logo in synaptics. Did  
you install and update the debian-keyring package? Or do you have an  
untrusted source in your sources.list? You can find the download source  
with "apt-cache policy aptitude"


(example)

$ apt-cache policy aptitude
aptitude:
  Installed: 0.8.10-6
  Candidate: 0.8.10-6
  Version table:
 *** 0.8.10-6 500
500 http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
500 http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian buster/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

Re: Aptitude package manager "package"

[john doe]

On 1/23/2018 8:44 PM, OECT T wrote:


What other command line packages are recommended instead of Aptitude?



https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html

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Aptitude package manager "package"

[OECT T]

Hi all:


I just installed Debian Stretch 9.3.0 and noticed that the Aptitude package was 
not installed by default.

I searched into Synaptics package manager and noticed that the package is not 
marked with the Debian icon indicating that the package is not supported.

I would appreciate any comments about it.

What other command line packages are recommended instead of Aptitude?

Is Aptitude or will be soon a deprecated package ? (Debian Reference still 
contains a good deal of information about Aptitude)

Regards

Oscar Corte

Re: repairing damage to package manager

[Jochen Spieker]

songbird:
> Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:
>> 
>> One more O.T. observation: Debian let me do a truly dumb thing, but I
>> wouldn't have it any other way.
> 
>   who here hasn't done an erroneous rm or some
> other fumble fingered thing?
> 
>   a few weeks ago i was working on tagging some
> pictures and didn't notice that i had selected 
> 9000 of them instead of the few i intended.  then
> i deleted the tags.  there is no way to interrupt
> this.  oops.  i had to go find the backup files 
> and restore the database which held the tags.

Good point. I cannot stress the need for backups enough. Every couple of
months someone approaches me because they have important data on a dying
disk. Right now it hit my best man who should really know better.

(No, uninstalling apt would not be covered by my backups either. But as
we have seen, you can recover from issues like this easily in many
cases. :))

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[songbird]

Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:
>Jochen Spieker wrote:
>> Chuck Hallenbeck:
>> > 
>> > # apt-get remove upgrade-system apt
>> 
>> Nice one! This brightens my day a little as it reminds me how I found
>> out the relationship betweent the commands available on MSDOS 5.0 and
>> the contents of the C:\DOS directory. :) I don't know how many times I
>> had deleted stuff from there until it finally hit me.
>> 
>> Anyway, it's great of you not to be too embarassed to ask this and it is
>> even better that you could get help so quickly. It was more difficult
>> with MSDOS and no internet back then.
>
> Well, I have to tell you, I did hesitate to ask. But the help I got was
> not only quick, but right on target.  The trick is to learn from other
> people's mistakes, not one's own.
>
> One more O.T. observation: Debian let me do a truly dumb thing, but I
> wouldn't have it any other way.

  who here hasn't done an erroneous rm or some
other fumble fingered thing?

  a few weeks ago i was working on tagging some
pictures and didn't notice that i had selected 
9000 of them instead of the few i intended.  then
i deleted the tags.  there is no way to interrupt
this.  oops.  i had to go find the backup files 
and restore the database which held the tags.
luckily i did make a backup of my work and that 
was all it was to restore the tags instead of 
having to actually go dig up the 9000 picture
files again.


  songbird

Re: repairing damage to package manager

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 24 March 2017 19:57:56 Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:
> One more O.T. observation: Debian let me do a truly dumb thing, but I
> wouldn't have it any other way.

:-)))  +1

Lisi

Re: repairing damage to package manager

[Jochen Spieker]

Chuck Hallenbeck:
> 
> One more O.T. observation: Debian let me do a truly dumb thing, but I
> wouldn't have it any other way.

That's the spirit!

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[Chuck Hallenbeck]

Hi J.,

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 08:47:18PM +0100, Jochen Spieker wrote:
> Chuck Hallenbeck:
> > 
> > # apt-get remove upgrade-system apt
> 
> Nice one! This brightens my day a little as it reminds me how I found
> out the relationship betweent the commands available on MSDOS 5.0 and
> the contents of the C:\DOS directory. :) I don't know how many times I
> had deleted stuff from there until it finally hit me.
> 
> Anyway, it's great of you not to be too embarassed to ask this and it is
> even better that you could get help so quickly. It was more difficult
> with MSDOS and no internet back then.

Well, I have to tell you, I did hesitate to ask. But the help I got was
not only quick, but right on target.  The trick is to learn from other
people's mistakes, not one's own.

One more O.T. observation: Debian let me do a truly dumb thing, but I
wouldn't have it any other way.

Chuck

> 
> J.
> -- 
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Re: repairing damage to package manager

[Jochen Spieker]

Chuck Hallenbeck:
> 
> # apt-get remove upgrade-system apt

Nice one! This brightens my day a little as it reminds me how I found
out the relationship betweent the commands available on MSDOS 5.0 and
the contents of the C:\DOS directory. :) I don't know how many times I
had deleted stuff from there until it finally hit me.

Anyway, it's great of you not to be too embarassed to ask this and it is
even better that you could get help so quickly. It was more difficult
with MSDOS and no internet back then.

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Re: repairing damage to package manager

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

Hi,


On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 03:22:06PM -0400, songbird wrote:
> Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:
> ...
> > I presume you are suggesting using wget to retrieve the missing
> > packages after identifying their URL's? 
> 
>   if you haven't cleared /var/cache/apt/archives you
> can check what is in there by:
> 
> $ ls /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb | grep apt and
> see what versions are showing up.
> 
> then if they are still there you can try
> dpkg -i on the latest versions
> 
> 
>   songbird

That's good to know for future problems, but I managed to find the
correct download link, retrieved it, and it installed okay with the 
dpkg -i command. I ran apt-get update and apt-get upgrade with no
errors and nothing to do, so perhaps I am in the clear.

Thanks for the help. 

Chuck



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Re: repairing damage to package manager

[songbird]

Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:
...
> I presume you are suggesting using wget to retrieve the missing
> packages after identifying their URL's? 

  if you haven't cleared /var/cache/apt/archives you
can check what is in there by:

$ ls /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb | grep apt and
see what versions are showing up.

then if they are still there you can try
dpkg -i on the latest versions


  songbird

Re: repairing damage to package manager

[Mark Fletcher]

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:53:59AM -0400, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:
> 
> I presume you are suggesting using wget to retrieve the missing
> packages after identifying their URL's? 
> 

Yeah, or just download the package from packages.debian.org with a web 
browser, and then use dpkg -i on it.

Check the dependency this for the package and consider whether you might 
need to (re-)download any of those in addition. Hopefully not, but...

Mark

Re: repairing damage to package manager

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

Hi Jonathan,

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 03:40:52PM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:30:31AM -0400, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:
> > dpkg-reconfigure doesn't help, nor dpkg -i apt-get.
> 
> "apt-get" exists in the "apt" package, but "dpkg -i" takes an argument to
> a local .deb archive, not a package name. Try downloading a .deb of apt
> for your version of debian and architecture (e.g. amd64 for stable/jessie
> => https://packages.debian.org/jessie/apt bottom of the page) and running
> 
>   dpkg -i 
> 
> This might fail with missing dependencies. If so, you can attempt to manually
> download them too, and then retry, this time adding the dependencies to the
> dpkg invocation:
> 
>   dpkg -i   
> 
> This may need repeating for missing dependencies for the second .deb.
> 
> If you still have your install media handy, mounting them might speed this
> process up as the necessary .deb files will all be on there (modulo security
> updates since then).
> 
> But you might tire of playing whack'a'mole with missing .deb dependencies with
> the above technique: it's hard to say how many there might be or how long this
> process might take, to weigh up whether to do this or just reinstall.
> 

I presume you are suggesting using wget to retrieve the missing
packages after identifying their URL's? 

I appreciate your suggestion, I'll see what I can do.

Chuck

Re: repairing damage to package manager

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:30:31AM -0400, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:
> dpkg-reconfigure doesn't help, nor dpkg -i apt-get.

"apt-get" exists in the "apt" package, but "dpkg -i" takes an argument to
a local .deb archive, not a package name. Try downloading a .deb of apt
for your version of debian and architecture (e.g. amd64 for stable/jessie
=> https://packages.debian.org/jessie/apt bottom of the page) and running

dpkg -i 

This might fail with missing dependencies. If so, you can attempt to manually
download them too, and then retry, this time adding the dependencies to the
dpkg invocation:

dpkg -i   

This may need repeating for missing dependencies for the second .deb.

If you still have your install media handy, mounting them might speed this
process up as the necessary .deb files will all be on there (modulo security
updates since then).

But you might tire of playing whack'a'mole with missing .deb dependencies with
the above technique: it's hard to say how many there might be or how long this
process might take, to weigh up whether to do this or just reinstall.

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[Chuck Hallenbeck]

Correction below:


On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:30:31AM -0400, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> I've been using Debian Stretch for a couple of months, and following
> this list for a month or two. I'm afraid I did something stupid anyway,
> and find myself with a damaged apt-get and can't figure out how to fix
> it short of reinstalling.
> 
> Here is what I did to damage it:
> 
> The discussion about automatic upgrading contained a reference to
> "upgrade-system"  and I decided to give it a try.
> 
> I installed it, placed a recommended set of preferences in
> /etc/apt/preferences.d with a legally named file,  and executed it
> 
> # upgrade-system
> 
> It should me what it wanted to do, mostly no surprises, except it's
> last item wanted to remove dozens and dozens of things, some of which I
> recognized as things I manually requested in connection with an earlier
> (and abandoned) experiment.
> 
> So I said "no" to the prompt. So far so good.
> 
> After a bit, I decided to back out of my interest in upgrade-system,
> and remove it with apt-get remove.
> 
> And here is what I think was stupid:
> 
> I had also played with the command "apt" which is another front to
> apt-get and friends, and perhaps misremembered whether it was already
> present, or whether I had to install it to play with it. What I did
> that was stupid was to add it to the packages to remove, so I entered
> this:
> 
> # apt-get remove upgrade-system apt
> 
> I am now unable to use any of my familiar package tools. Although
> "which" shows me apt-get, it cannot be found when attempting to execute
Sorry! apt-get is not shown by which. aptitude is.


> it. Running aptitude complains about not finding apt-get.
> dpkg-reconfigure doesn't help, nor dpkg -i apt-get.
> 
> Is there anything I can do short of reinstalling? I am no beginner, but
> I am pretty new to Debian.  I am using a base system with a screen
> reader, no desktop. (which I installed with the netinst CD image on
> purpose, despite the defaults, which I don't regard as a problem).
> 
> If I can get out of this one, I promise never to do a stupid thing
> again.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> When a clock is hungry it goes back four seconds.

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repairing damage to package manager

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

Hi folks,

I've been using Debian Stretch for a couple of months, and following
this list for a month or two. I'm afraid I did something stupid anyway,
and find myself with a damaged apt-get and can't figure out how to fix
it short of reinstalling.

Here is what I did to damage it:

The discussion about automatic upgrading contained a reference to
"upgrade-system"  and I decided to give it a try.

I installed it, placed a recommended set of preferences in
/etc/apt/preferences.d with a legally named file,  and executed it

# upgrade-system

It should me what it wanted to do, mostly no surprises, except it's
last item wanted to remove dozens and dozens of things, some of which I
recognized as things I manually requested in connection with an earlier
(and abandoned) experiment.

So I said "no" to the prompt. So far so good.

After a bit, I decided to back out of my interest in upgrade-system,
and remove it with apt-get remove.

And here is what I think was stupid:

I had also played with the command "apt" which is another front to
apt-get and friends, and perhaps misremembered whether it was already
present, or whether I had to install it to play with it. What I did
that was stupid was to add it to the packages to remove, so I entered
this:

# apt-get remove upgrade-system apt

I am now unable to use any of my familiar package tools. Although
"which" shows me apt-get, it cannot be found when attempting to execute
it. Running aptitude complains about not finding apt-get.
dpkg-reconfigure doesn't help, nor dpkg -i apt-get.

Is there anything I can do short of reinstalling? I am no beginner, but
I am pretty new to Debian.  I am using a base system with a screen
reader, no desktop. (which I installed with the netinst CD image on
purpose, despite the defaults, which I don't regard as a problem).

If I can get out of this one, I promise never to do a stupid thing
again.

Chuck



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Re: Layers for the package manager

[Don Armstrong]

On Thu, 17 Nov 2016, Nicolas George wrote:
> Le quintidi 25 brumaire, an CCXXV, Don Armstrong a écrit :
> > This sounds like you're looking for debtags, which gives you the ability
> > to subset packages by different tags. (For example, if you wanted all of
> > the package management tools:
> > 
> > debtags search admin::package-management;
> > 
> > gives you all of the packages which are involved in package management.)
> 
> Uh? Can you explain me how it can be used to install incompatible
> packages or packages from semi-trusted repositories?

Sorry; I misunderstood what you were trying to do.

debtags will help you define which packages go in what layers, but they
won't do anything to help you with the rest of the features that you're
describing.


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Re: Layers for the package manager

[Nicolas George]

Le duodi 22 brumaire, an CCXXV, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI a écrit :
>   Also, if I
> wanted to run another program from stable, I could build another docker
> image for that, but due to the clever way docker works, there'd be only
> one copy of the base system plus two layers, one for each image, with
> only the applications in question. That's a big advantage in relation to
> chroots or virtual machines.

I did not know Docker worked that way. It is interesting, and better
than I thought.

> And yet, even if a base layer is shared, docker images are completely
> isolated from one another and from the host system. If you want to share
> data, you need to explicitly configure that.
> 
> That does solve the isolation problem, and allows you to run packages
> from different repositories simultaneously, with different versions of
> libraries if necessary; and allows you to install packages from
> untrusted sources (or that are not available as .deb's) without messing
> with your "real" system.
> 
> It does not solve the problem you mention: if there is an update of
> OpenSSL, the images will continue to use the old version unless you
> rebuild them. The process can be automated, but at least you'll need to
> run a command to rebuild the images, and this can be time consuming.

Indeed. Compared to what I have in mind, it seems it would work for the
leaves/sinks of the graph system, but not the inner nodes.

Also, the isolation is kind of a mis-feature in this particular case

> Now might be a good time to dive into some of the internals, such as how
> the images and layers work:
> https://docs.docker.com/engine/userguide/storagedriver/imagesandcontainers/
> That might give you some ideas for your solution. Take a look also at
> the pages "AUFS storage driver in practice" and "OverlayFS storage in
> practice". While you won't be able to do what you want with docker,
> perhaps you can get some ideas. I'd guess you'd need some kind of
> layering like done by docker, but sometimes changing the bottom layers
> (which is not possible with docker - only the topmost layer is ever
> changed).

Thanks for the pointers. I definitely do not have time to actually work
on it as a project, but knowing a few pointers will do no harm.
Union-capable filesystems were indeed something that I thought could
help an hypothetic implementation.

Regards,

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[Nicolas George]

Le quintidi 25 brumaire, an CCXXV, Don Armstrong a écrit :
> This sounds like you're looking for debtags, which gives you the ability
> to subset packages by different tags. (For example, if you wanted all of
> the package management tools:
> 
> debtags search admin::package-management;
> 
> gives you all of the packages which are involved in package management.)

Uh? Can you explain me how it can be used to install incompatible
packages or packages from semi-trusted repositories?

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Re: Layers for the package manager

[Don Armstrong]

On Fri, 11 Nov 2016, Nicolas George wrote:
> There is a feature in Debian that I find missing in Debian, I wonder if
> other people would agree with me.
> 
> I call that feature "layered package manager".

This sounds like you're looking for debtags, which gives you the ability
to subset packages by different tags. (For example, if you wanted all of
the package management tools:

debtags search admin::package-management;

gives you all of the packages which are involved in package management.)


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Re: Layers for the package manager

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 09:18:26PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote:
> If I understand correctly how Docker works, its images are big blobs
> that contain the program they are meant to distribute plus all its
> dependencies. Am I mistaken?

That's broadly true, at least, they are presented to the user that way.

> If it works like that, that means when the next OpenSSL security issue
> is found, we have to cross our fingers very tightly and hope whoever
> released the image will release an update with a fixed library. 

If the dockerized application you were using did not use OpenSSL, you don't
need to do anything.

If it does, then it needs to be rebuilt.

As a user, you could wait for the image author to rebuild it, then pull the
newer version. It's quite likely the image author based their image on top of
another, and that the parent image (or a parent image somewhere up the chain)
is the "owner" of the problem. For example, if the image you were using had
been built on top of the "debian" image, the image author would have to wait
until the author/owner of the "debian" image updated, first. (Note: that isn't
the Debian project, confusingly!)

This is pretty bad.

Another option is, you create a new derivative image yourself, which is
built on top of the application image you were using, and updates OpenSSL.
That would be roughly as simple as a Dockerfile with two instructions

FROM some-application-image
RUN apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y

(the above fed to "docker build -t my-new-image-name ")

The abstraction is already a bit broken though, because you need to know
that the image was based on a Debian-like OS; that OS needs to have updated
the OpenSSL library; the application has to continue to function with the
new library version (and that might not be tested yet)

And none of the above is automatic.

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[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

On 12-11-2016 18:18, Nicolas George wrote:
> If I understand correctly how Docker works, its images are big blobs
> that contain the program they are meant to distribute plus all its
> dependencies. Am I mistaken?
>
> If it works like that, that means when the next OpenSSL security issue
> is found, we have to cross our fingers very tightly and hope whoever
> released the image will release an update with a fixed library. With
> what I have in mind, unless the maintainer of the third-party repository
> did something very wrong, its packages will be dynamically linked with
> OpenSSL from the base system, and benefit from the updates immediately.
>
> It makes a big difference: in one case, you have to trust the third
> party to do a good job and continue that way in the future, on the other
> case you only have to trust it to do a not-bad job once.
>
> Personally, I would rather unpack a dynamically-linked binary somewhere
> in /opt and install the dependencies myself than use a package system
> with bundled libraries. Or, of course, install from source.
>

The end result is indeed, for practical purposes, a big package with
everything needed to run an application. But I don't expect you to
simply download pre-built blobs, but rather to build your own.

It's easier to understand from an example. Take a look at this
Dockerfile:
https://gist.github.com/rmoehn/1d82f433f517e3002124df52f7a73678 .
Basically it says "start with a minimal debian stable system, install
some packages, then make some necessary configurations". Docker
downloads the base image (the minimal debian system), and executes the
rest of the commands to create a new image that includes the installed
packages, resulting in a self-contained image that allows execution of
the application in question.

[That's a huge simplification, but the end result is roughly as
described. We need not concern with the internals.]

[If you don't want to trust the creator of the base image, you can
create your own.]

I've used that Dockerfile to run anki (which is currently broken in
testing). It's kind of a chroot, but with more isolation. Also, if I
wanted to run another program from stable, I could build another docker
image for that, but due to the clever way docker works, there'd be only
one copy of the base system plus two layers, one for each image, with
only the applications in question. That's a big advantage in relation to
chroots or virtual machines.

And yet, even if a base layer is shared, docker images are completely
isolated from one another and from the host system. If you want to share
data, you need to explicitly configure that.

That does solve the isolation problem, and allows you to run packages
from different repositories simultaneously, with different versions of
libraries if necessary; and allows you to install packages from
untrusted sources (or that are not available as .deb's) without messing
with your "real" system.

It does not solve the problem you mention: if there is an update of
OpenSSL, the images will continue to use the old version unless you
rebuild them. The process can be automated, but at least you'll need to
run a command to rebuild the images, and this can be time consuming.

Now might be a good time to dive into some of the internals, such as how
the images and layers work:
https://docs.docker.com/engine/userguide/storagedriver/imagesandcontainers/
That might give you some ideas for your solution. Take a look also at
the pages "AUFS storage driver in practice" and "OverlayFS storage in
practice". While you won't be able to do what you want with docker,
perhaps you can get some ideas. I'd guess you'd need some kind of
layering like done by docker, but sometimes changing the bottom layers
(which is not possible with docker - only the topmost layer is ever
changed).


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Re: Layers for the package manager

[Nicolas George]

Le primidi 21 brumaire, an CCXXV, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI a écrit :
> docker does not work as you describe (and I know of nothing that does
> anything close to your idea), but it does suit some of the uses you
> mentioned (the ones quoted).

If I understand correctly how Docker works, its images are big blobs
that contain the program they are meant to distribute plus all its
dependencies. Am I mistaken?

If it works like that, that means when the next OpenSSL security issue
is found, we have to cross our fingers very tightly and hope whoever
released the image will release an update with a fixed library. With
what I have in mind, unless the maintainer of the third-party repository
did something very wrong, its packages will be dynamically linked with
OpenSSL from the base system, and benefit from the updates immediately.

It makes a big difference: in one case, you have to trust the third
party to do a good job and continue that way in the future, on the other
case you only have to trust it to do a not-bad job once.

Personally, I would rather unpack a dynamically-linked binary somewhere
in /opt and install the dependencies myself than use a package system
with bundled libraries. Or, of course, install from source.

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[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

On 11-11-2016 17:34, Nicolas George wrote:
> Being able to install incompatible packages at the same time.
>
> Isolate servers. Run servers in a layer where the compilers and other
> development tools are not visible. It does not actually add any security but
> it may help mitigate or slow down an attack.
>
> Most important: Being able to add third-party repositories with less worry.
>
> So, this is what I dream of. Does anybody have remarks? Know projects with
> similar goals? Distributions that have that feature? Other means of
> achieving a similar result with Debian?

docker does not work as you describe (and I know of nothing that does
anything close to your idea), but it does suit some of the uses you
mentioned (the ones quoted).


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Layers for the package manager

[Nicolas George]

There is a feature in Debian that I find missing in Debian, I wonder if
other people would agree with me.

I call that feature "layered package manager".

Here is what it means. The system has "layers" defined, organized as a
directed acyclic graph, and packages are contained in layers. For example:

 base
   /   |  \
  /|   \
 v vv
nonfree  gnome  texlive
 \|  |
  \   |  |
   v  v  |
 proprep |
\|
 \   |
  v  v
   all

The idea is this: packages in a layer "see" the packages in the same layers
and in lower layers but not the packages in higher layers (in the drawing,
low and high are reversed). By "see", I mean the dependencies: a broken
dependencies in the proprep layer does not prevent me from upgrading
something in the gnome layer, or a broken dependency in the nonfree layer
does not block an upgrade in base.

When working in a layer, everything works exactly as if the higher layers
did not exist.

The lower layers are visible, though, and merged. For example, in the above
example, when installing something in proprep, if it needs a dependency that
is installed in either nonfree, base or gnome, it will just use it. If is is
not installer anywhere, then it gets installed in proprep itself.

Of course, it means that packages in higher layers can easily become broken.
It is not a bug, it is a feature. Better a system with a few inessential
packages partially broken than a system vulnerable because a security
upgrade on a base package could not be performed. Or than removing the
packages altogether.

A higher-level tool would be necessary to help handling things. For example,
if I try to remove a gnome package necessary for proprep, it proposes me to
reinstall it in proprep instead. Or it would propose a command to perform a
full upgrade in each layer in turn, in a single step.

Users need to be able to choose in which layer they work, including changing
on the fly. The admin should be able to choose the layer for all daemons
too.

Of course, a lot of details would need to be ironed. What happens if the
same package comes in different version from several parents? Can we remove
(=hide) in a higher layer a package from a lower one? Etc.

But I think it would make a very useful tool. Here are the benefits I
expect:

Being able to install incompatible packages at the same time. Of course, I
would need to switch layer to use them both, but that is not a big deal.

Isolate servers. Run servers in a layer where the compilers and other
development tools are not visible. It does not actually add any security but
it may help mitigate or slow down an attack.

Install packages on different filesystems depending on their usefulness:
base system on small SSD, desktop environment and other large packages on
larger but slower HDD, huge docs and games on even slower NAS.

Most important: Being able to add third-party repositories with less worry.

Right now, if I consider adding a third-party repository, or installing a
third-party package, I need to trust both its honesty (of course, any
package can contain a backdoor and take root access) and it seriousness.
With layers, I still need to trust its honesty, of course, but if I install
it in a separate layer, I do not have to worry that it may break something
else or block a security upgrade. It isolated.

So, this is what I dream of. Does anybody have remarks? Know projects with
similar goals? Distributions that have that feature? Other means of
achieving a similar result with Debian?

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Re: synaptic package manager error

[steve]

Hi,

Le 19-07-2016, à 22:49:48 -0400, Jesse Stephen a écrit :


  I am using GNOME. I have a problem with no sound on you tube I cant run
  updates And I can not download the Google talk plug-in because it says the
  package updater is open



You need to kill the "package updater" first.

One way to do it is:

ps aux | grep dpkg

(or if it's not dpkg but apt-get or aptitude, you can try:

ps aux | grep apt )

which will give you the PID of the process. Then you kill it with

sudo kill -9 

Then you can try to update process.

Hope it helps.

Best,
Steve

Re: synaptic package manager error

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 20 July 2016 04:27:00 Gene Heskett wrote:
> The proper command is:
>
> sudo dpkg --configure -a

OR

# dpkg --configure -a

or Brian's

dpkg --configure -a

but become root first.

We simply don't know enough.  But I would assume the existence of root in 
Debian if there is no information to the contrary.

Lisi

Re: synaptic package manager error

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 19 July 2016 17:35:51 Jesse Stephen wrote:

> I'm getting an error message when I run ther synaptic package manager
> that I have to manually run the dpkg-- configure to correct the
> problem. This is not something I no how to do, I am very green at
> this.

The proper command is:

sudo dpkg --configure -a

note the spaces, very important that they are in the correct places.

It will ask you for YOUR password IF you are the first user, who did the 
install in the first place.  Otherwise have that user do it.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: synaptic package manager error

[Jesse Stephen]

I am using GNOME. I have a problem with no sound on you tube I cant run
updates And I can not download the Google talk plug-in because it says the
package updater is open

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 6:47 PM, Brian <a...@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:

> On Tue 19 Jul 2016 at 17:35:51 -0400, Jesse Stephen wrote:
>
> > I'm getting an error message when I run ther synaptic package manager
> that
> > I have to manually run the dpkg-- configure to correct the problem. This
> is
> > not something I no how to do, I am very green at this.
>
> It is almost impossible to advise on this when the command to run has to
> be guessed and what was being done at the time is not mentioned. I do
> not use synaptic but the first thing to do is find out how to display a
> terminal in whatever environment you are using (GNOME?).
>
> At the prompt type
>
>   dpkg --configure -a
>
> and press the ENTER key. What you do next depends on what you were doing
> in the first place.
>
>

Re: synaptic package manager error

[Brian]

On Tue 19 Jul 2016 at 17:35:51 -0400, Jesse Stephen wrote:

> I'm getting an error message when I run ther synaptic package manager that
> I have to manually run the dpkg-- configure to correct the problem. This is
> not something I no how to do, I am very green at this.

It is almost impossible to advise on this when the command to run has to
be guessed and what was being done at the time is not mentioned. I do
not use synaptic but the first thing to do is find out how to display a
terminal in whatever environment you are using (GNOME?).

At the prompt type

  dpkg --configure -a

and press the ENTER key. What you do next depends on what you were doing
in the first place.

synaptic package manager error

[Jesse Stephen]

I'm getting an error message when I run ther synaptic package manager that
I have to manually run the dpkg-- configure to correct the problem. This is
not something I no how to do, I am very green at this.

What's DE-specific, what's independent? (was: Re: KDE package manager)

[Dan B.]

Sian Mountbatten wrote:

Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net writes:


On 11/09/2011 03:33 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

On Jo, 03 nov 11, 10:59:43, Ken Heard wrote:

Sian Mountbatten wrote, in part:


Is there a KDE package manager available?


For the various things that get installed for Gnome, KDE, etc.,
which are specific to the chosen desktop environment, and which
work with any desktop environment (or perhaps any sufficiently
capable DE (e.g., FreeDesktop-compliant))?

When a DE includes a (default) audio player, file manager, CD-writing
program, etc., is the only thing specific to that DE the fact that it
chose that program as its default for that type of application, or
is the application usually tied to that DE?


More generally, what I'm try to get at is:  Of the things you get with
a particular desktop environment (i.e., of the packages installed by
installing a Gnome, KDE, etc., virtual package), which work only with
that DE, and which work with other DE's you might switch to (or also
run)?




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Re: What's DE-specific, what's independent? (was: Re: KDE package manager)

[Claudius Hubig]

Dan B. d...@kempt.net wrote:
For the various things that get installed for Gnome, KDE, etc.,
which are specific to the chosen desktop environment, and which
work with any desktop environment (or perhaps any sufficiently
capable DE (e.g., FreeDesktop-compliant))?

When a DE includes a (default) audio player, file manager, CD-writing
program, etc., is the only thing specific to that DE the fact that it
chose that program as its default for that type of application, or
is the application usually tied to that DE?


More generally, what I'm try to get at is:  Of the things you get with
a particular desktop environment (i.e., of the packages installed by
installing a Gnome, KDE, etc., virtual package), which work only with
that DE, and which work with other DE's you might switch to (or also
run)?

Usually, you can use any of the ‘obvious’ applications with any DE
you like. With ‘obvious’ I mean applications usually started by the
user, such as an audio player, a CD writing program, web browsers and
even a file manager (I use Nautilus (originally Gnome) with XFCE).

You can also mostly use any ‘more abstract’ application, such as
window managers, for example, I’ve used xfwm for some time together
with Gnome.

Normally, you should be able to use any application you like with any
DE you like, however, there are problems with special services
started by only that DE: KDE comes to mind, which usually starts a
few services and KDE applications (for me, mostly Kolourpaint)
sometimes take a while to recognise that no such service will answer
their calls.

Obviously, some ‘DE’ also don’t provide stuff you normally expect
from a DE. Take an application that resides solely in your
notification area together with a DE that doesn’t provide such a
notification area (because there’s no panel, because the ‘DE’ only
consists of a window manager…).

To conclude, you can probably run every application you can think of
as a proper application in any DE you want. There might be drawbacks,
such as unanswered calls to daemons usually running in the background
 non-native graphical engines (Qt in GTK and vice versa).

Best regards  HTH,

Claudius
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Re: KDE package manager

[Sian Mountbatten]

Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net writes:

 On 11/09/2011 03:33 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
 On Jo, 03 nov 11, 10:59:43, Ken Heard wrote:
 Sian Mountbatten wrote, in part:

 Is there a KDE package manager available?

 What happened to KDE's Kpackage?  It is in Lenny, but I do not see it in
 the Debian repositories for Squeeze and Wheezy.

 As far as I recall kpackage did not support APT correctly and was
 eventually abandoned.

 Kind regards,
 Andrei
 Can you get Synaptic?  That works nicely in my pclos KDE system. It
 gets its input via apt, I believe.
 --doug
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Re: KDE package manager

[Sian Mountbatten]

Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net writes:

 On 11/09/2011 03:33 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
 On Jo, 03 nov 11, 10:59:43, Ken Heard wrote:
 Sian Mountbatten wrote, in part:

 Is there a KDE package manager available?

 What happened to KDE's Kpackage?  It is in Lenny, but I do not see it in
 the Debian repositories for Squeeze and Wheezy.

 As far as I recall kpackage did not support APT correctly and was
 eventually abandoned.

 Kind regards,
 Andrei
 Can you get Synaptic?  That works nicely in my pclos KDE system. It
 gets its input via apt, I believe.
Yes, I use synaptic now. And it certainly uses apt and dpkg.


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Re: KDE package manager

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Jo, 03 nov 11, 10:59:43, Ken Heard wrote:
 Sian Mountbatten wrote, in part:
 
  Is there a KDE package manager available?
 
 What happened to KDE's Kpackage?  It is in Lenny, but I do not see it in
 the Debian repositories for Squeeze and Wheezy.

As far as I recall kpackage did not support APT correctly and was 
eventually abandoned.

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Re: KDE package manager

[Doug]

On 11/09/2011 03:33 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

On Jo, 03 nov 11, 10:59:43, Ken Heard wrote:

Sian Mountbatten wrote, in part:


Is there a KDE package manager available?


What happened to KDE's Kpackage?  It is in Lenny, but I do not see it in
the Debian repositories for Squeeze and Wheezy.


As far as I recall kpackage did not support APT correctly and was
eventually abandoned.

Kind regards,
Andrei

Can you get Synaptic?  That works nicely in my pclos KDE system. It
gets its input via apt, I believe.
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Re: KDE package manager

[Darac Marjal]

On Wed, Nov 02, 2011 at 03:07:16PM -0400, Doug wrote:
 Of course Synaptic requires root permission.  If you're not root,
 you should not be allowed to install packages! Aren't you the owner
 of the
 Debian installation?  If so, you surely have a root password.
 

Personally, I like aptitude's ability to only require root access when
necessary. Aptitude is perfectly happy for a normal user to start the
application and browse the package lists, even to select items for
installation/removal etc. It's only when you press 'g' (I am of course
talking about the NCurses UI here) that it says You aren't root. Would
you like to be now? and then performs the actions. 

I suppose it depends on how you treat your users. I can certainly see
this being a design decision. Do you really WANT users seeing what
packages are installed, which ones are available and, perhaps, which
ones are out of date? Or do you allow them to see whatever they like
secure in the knowledge that only super users can do anything about it?

Swings and roundabounds.

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Re: KDE package manager

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 02 Nov 2011 22:24:07 +, Sian Mountbatten wrote:

 Camaleón wrote:
 
 What happened with our beloved Synaptic? :-)
 
 It works, but it is in /usr/sbin so it needs root permissions.
 
 But of course, as it should be.
 
 I've found a KDE package called packagesearch which will install and
 probably remove (but I have not tried that yet) packages. The search
 facility is excellent.
 
 packagesearch is great for searches. 

Yes, but that's not a package manager. You can only query for 
applications like apt-cache search or the online package search 
interface.

 synaptic now asks for root permission and comes up well.

Yes.

 wheezy is great

Of course, and lenny (debian 5) also ;-)

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Re: KDE package manager

[Martin Steigerwald]

Am Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 schrieb Doug:
 On 11/02/2011 01:56 PM, Sian Mountbatten wrote:
  Camaleón wrote:
  On Wed, 02 Nov 2011 16:22:14 +, Sian Mountbatten wrote:
[...]
  world's easiest program to use.
  
  Is there a KDE package manager available?
  
  What happened with our beloved Synaptic? :-)
  
  It works, but it is in /usr/sbin so it needs root permissions.
  
  I've found a KDE package called packagesearch which will install
  and probably remove (but I have not tried that yet) packages.
  The search facility is excellent.
  
  Thank you for your reply.
 
 Of course Synaptic requires root permission.  If you're not root, you
 should not be allowed to install packages! Aren't you the owner of the
 Debian installation?  If so, you surely have a root password.

Newer GUI package management applications for KDE like Muon and probably 
some other packagekit based one only ask for root permission when they do 
need it. IMHO that is way better than to fire up the whole GUI based 
application with root permissions including essential GNOME or KDE based 
services. But I did not yet found one for KDE that works as expected and 
is packaged officially.

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KDE package manager

[Sian Mountbatten]

Having installed Debian/GNU wheezy onto my desktop, I am now looking
for some KDE applications.

The only package manager provided on wheezy is aptitude which is not the
world's easiest program to use.

Is there a KDE package manager available?
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Re: KDE package manager

[J. Bakshi]

On Wed, 02 Nov 2011 16:22:14 +
Sian Mountbatten poenik...@operamail.com wrote:

 Having installed Debian/GNU wheezy onto my desktop, I am now looking
 for some KDE applications.
 
 The only package manager provided on wheezy is aptitude which is not the
 world's easiest program to use.
 
software center ? not kde but a nice one


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Re: KDE package manager

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 02 Nov 2011 16:22:14 +, Sian Mountbatten wrote:

 Having installed Debian/GNU wheezy onto my desktop, I am now looking for
 some KDE applications.
 
 The only package manager provided on wheezy is aptitude which is not the
 world's easiest program to use.
 
 Is there a KDE package manager available?

What happened with our beloved Synaptic? :-)

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Re: KDE package manager

[Sian Mountbatten]

Camaleón wrote:

 On Wed, 02 Nov 2011 16:22:14 +, Sian Mountbatten wrote:
 
 Having installed Debian/GNU wheezy onto my desktop, I am now looking 
for
 some KDE applications.
 
 The only package manager provided on wheezy is aptitude which is not 
the
 world's easiest program to use.
 
 Is there a KDE package manager available?
 
 What happened with our beloved Synaptic? :-)
It works, but it is in /usr/sbin so it needs root permissions.

I've found a KDE package called packagesearch which will install
and probably remove (but I have not tried that yet) packages.
The search facility is excellent.

Thank you for your reply.

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Re: KDE package manager

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 02 Nov 2011 17:56:06 +, Sian Mountbatten wrote:

 Camaleón wrote:
 
 On Wed, 02 Nov 2011 16:22:14 +, Sian Mountbatten wrote:
 
 Having installed Debian/GNU wheezy onto my desktop, I am now looking
 for
 some KDE applications.
 
 The only package manager provided on wheezy is aptitude which is not
 the
 world's easiest program to use.
 
 Is there a KDE package manager available?
 
 What happened with our beloved Synaptic? :-)

 It works, but it is in /usr/sbin so it needs root permissions.

But of course, as it should be.

 I've found a KDE package called packagesearch which will install and
 probably remove (but I have not tried that yet) packages. The search
 facility is excellent.
 
 Thank you for your reply.

I don't think packagesearch is a package manager at all ;-)

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Re: KDE package manager

[Doug]

On 11/02/2011 12:22 PM, Sian Mountbatten wrote:

Having installed Debian/GNU wheezy onto my desktop, I am now looking
for some KDE applications.

The only package manager provided on wheezy is aptitude which is not the
world's easiest program to use.

Is there a KDE package manager available?


See if you can get Synaptic from your repo.  This is a very easy to use
package manager, and it's used in PCLinuxOS KDE, and in Mepis, and
probably in a bunch of other distros. (Look first in your system--maybe 
it's installed but not shown in your menu. In pclos, it is in

/usr/share/applications   and is called synaptic-kde.desktop)

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Re: KDE package manager

[Doug]

On 11/02/2011 01:56 PM, Sian Mountbatten wrote:

Camaleón wrote:


On Wed, 02 Nov 2011 16:22:14 +, Sian Mountbatten wrote:


Having installed Debian/GNU wheezy onto my desktop, I am now looking

for

some KDE applications.

The only package manager provided on wheezy is aptitude which is not

the

world's easiest program to use.

Is there a KDE package manager available?


What happened with our beloved Synaptic? :-)

It works, but it is in /usr/sbin so it needs root permissions.

I've found a KDE package called packagesearch which will install
and probably remove (but I have not tried that yet) packages.
The search facility is excellent.

Thank you for your reply.

Of course Synaptic requires root permission.  If you're not root, you 
should not be allowed to install packages! Aren't you the owner of the

Debian installation?  If so, you surely have a root password.

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Re: KDE package manager

[Scott Ferguson]

On 03/11/11 03:22, Sian Mountbatten wrote:
 Having installed Debian/GNU wheezy onto my desktop, I am now looking
 for some KDE applications.

$ apt-cache search search_term | grep -i kde | more

Will literally give you a list of matching KDE applications. You'll need
to become root to install of course.

 
 The only package manager provided on wheezy is aptitude which is not the
 world's easiest program to use.

People who use aptitude will tell you it's better.

 
 Is there a KDE package manager available?

Synaptic - simple, and, simple.
PackageSearch - beautiful for searching (with debtags installed),
doesn't do installations (use apt).

Others:-
Adept - great (Sid only as yet)
Muon - excellent (not in Debian repositories)
KPackageKit - um, pass.
Aptitude GUI - being worked on (http://piotr.galiszewski.pl/)


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Re: KDE package manager

[Sian Mountbatten]

Camaleón wrote:

 What happened with our beloved Synaptic? :-)
 
 It works, but it is in /usr/sbin so it needs root permissions.
 
 But of course, as it should be.
 
 I've found a KDE package called packagesearch which will install and
 probably remove (but I have not tried that yet) packages. The search
 facility is excellent.
 
packagesearch is great for searches. synaptic now asks for
root permission and comes up well.

wheezy is great
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Re: Canonical way to set compile flags with package manager

[Raf Czlonka]

On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 11:02:11PM BST, Harry Putnam wrote:
 I went ahead and compiled it myself and installed in /usr/local
 
 Is there anyway to do that and still allow pkgmanager to keep track of
 the install?

Apart from rebuilding the package from source packages,
would 'checkinstall' fulfil your needs?

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Re: Canonical way to set compile flags with package manager

[Harry Putnam]

Raf Czlonka r...@linuxstuff.pl writes:

 On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 11:02:11PM BST, Harry Putnam wrote:
 I went ahead and compiled it myself and installed in /usr/local
 
 Is there anyway to do that and still allow pkgmanager to keep track of
 the install?

 Apart from rebuilding the package from source packages,
 would 'checkinstall' fulfil your needs?

I didn't know about that tool.  Thanks, it looks like just the ticket.


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Canonical way to set compile flags with package manager

[Harry Putnam]

If I wanted a special compile time flag set at compile time, for a
package, is the only way to just compile it myself, or is there some
procedure where the package manager is involved and thereby is able to
keep stats on the installed pkg?

For example:  I keep a fair number of system files, like etc/hosts
etc/fstab, etc/rsyslog.conf and etc etc. under cvs to track my
experiments and to be able to easily recover a specific version of
some config file when needed.

I want cvs to be compiled with --enable-rootcommit.
I find it much easier to manage permissions on system files that are
in use but are still under cvs, as root.

Its a single user system so all commits are by me.  And so any
user name that shows up on a commit is really me.

I went ahead and compiled it myself and installed in /usr/local

Is there anyway to do that and still allow pkgmanager to keep track of
the install?


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Re: Canonical way to set compile flags with package manager

[Wayne Topa]

On 10/06/2011 06:02 PM, Harry Putnam wrote:

If I wanted a special compile time flag set at compile time, for a
package, is the only way to just compile it myself, or is there some
procedure where the package manager is involved and thereby is able to
keep stats on the installed pkg?

For example:  I keep a fair number of system files, like etc/hosts
etc/fstab, etc/rsyslog.conf and etc etc. under cvs to track my
experiments and to be able to easily recover a specific version of
some config file when needed.

I want cvs to be compiled with --enable-rootcommit.
I find it much easier to manage permissions on system files that are
in use but are still under cvs, as root.

Its a single user system so all commits are by me.  And so any
user name that shows up on a commit is really me.

I went ahead and compiled it myself and installed in /usr/local

Is there anyway to do that and still allow pkgmanager to keep track of
the install?



Take a look at the ucf package.  I 'think' that might be what you are 
looking for.


HTH


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Re: Debian 6.0.0 DVD (1) installation unable to complete setup of package manager due to corrupt ftp/ mirror repositories

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 15:30:38 +0800, Saibal K Saha wrote:

 Have spent the last several days trying to get a usable BitTorrent
 download of Debian 6.0.0. Since yesterday, the automated setup has been
 unable to complete setup of the package manager, from various ftp/
 mirror sites. Have tried multiple sites in multiple locations including
 Singapore, Australia, Hong Kong, Japan,Korea in vain Enough already -
 you just lived up to your reputation of being one of the worst OSS
 installs of all time

When using a DVD as installation source, there is no need to setup 
external mirrors and _specially not_ at install time. You better install 
the base system with a small set of selected packages and let the 
installer finishes. Afterwards, you can install additional packages or 
perform an update.

And that approach is valid for any distribution, not just Debian.

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Re: Debian 6.0.0 DVD (1) installation unable to complete setup of package manager due to corrupt ftp/ mirror repositories

[David Christensen]

On 02/17/2011 11:30 PM, Saibal K Saha wrote:

Have spent the last several days trying to get a usable BitTorrent
download of Debian 6.0.0. Since yesterday, the automated setup has been
unable to complete setup of the package manager, from various ftp/
mirror sites. Have tried multiple sites in multiple locations including
Singapore, Australia, Hong Kong, Japan,Korea in vain
Enough already - you just lived up to your reputation of being one of
the worst OSS installs of all time
CYa mate!


I used jigdo last week to get debian-6.0.0-i386-DVD-1.iso without any 
problems:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jigdo

http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/jigdo-dvd/

MD5SUMS

MD5SUMS.sign

debian-6.0.0-i386-DVD-1.jigdo

debian-6.0.0-i386-DVD-1.template


HTH,

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[Saibal K Saha]

Have spent the last several days trying to get a usable BitTorrent
download of Debian 6.0.0. Since yesterday, the automated setup has been
unable to complete setup of the package manager, from various ftp/
mirror sites. Have tried multiple sites in multiple locations including
Singapore, Australia, Hong Kong, Japan,Korea in vain
Enough already - you just lived up to your reputation of being one of
the worst OSS installs of all time
CYa mate! 

Re: What is Recommend CLI Package Manager Tool for Newb?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In i5c1r6$ob...@speranza.aioe.org, s. keeling wrote:
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net:
  Is there a description or screenshot of it somewhere?  Can I easily
  engage it from the command-line?  I'd like to play with it and see
  if it is as useful as the aptitude one.

See the -s switch, just like aptitude.

That's *not* aptitude's interactive resolver.  That's simulate mode in 
aptitude.

Aptitude's interactive resolver allows you to reject (deny) or accept (force) 
certain *parts* of a solution, refining your request, and then search for 
another solution that will not contain the parts you rejected and must contain 
the parts you accepted.

It can be used in the CLI with the r action# or a action# answers to 
the Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?]  prompt.  It can be used in the curses 
UI by [e]xamining a solution, and then [a]ccepting or [r]ejecting proposed 
actions (top pane) or potential actions (bottom pane).
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Re: What is Recommend CLI Package Manager Tool for Newb?

[Florian Kulzer]

On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 04:46:03 +, T o n g wrote:

[...]

   $ apt-get install swatch

[...]

   The following extra packages will be installed:
 libbit-vector-perl libcarp-clan-perl libdate-calc-perl libdate-manip-perl
 libfile-tail-perl libperl5.10 libyaml-syck-perl perl perl-base 
 perl-modules

[...]

   The following packages will be upgraded:
 libperl5.10 perl perl-base perl-modules
   4 upgraded, 7 newly installed, 0 to remove and 553 not upgraded.
   Need to get 12.0MB of archives.
   After this operation, 16.5MB of additional disk space will be used.
   Do you want to continue [Y/n]? ^C
 
 Simple and straightforward right? Now take a look at the followings:
 
   $ aptitude install swatch
   The following NEW packages will be installed:
 libbit-vector-perl{a} libcarp-clan-perl{a} libdate-calc-perl{a} 
 libdate-manip-perl{a} libfile-tail-perl{a} libyaml-syck-perl{a} swatch 
   The following packages will be upgraded:
 perl perl-base perl-modules 
   3 packages upgraded, 7 newly installed, 0 to remove and 554 not 
 upgraded.
   Need to get 12.0MB of archives. After unpacking 16.5MB will be used.
   The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 libperl5.10: Depends: perl-base (= 5.10.1-12) but 5.10.1-14 is to be 
 installed.

So the problem is that aptitude thinks it cannot upgrade libperl5.10.
What is the output of:

  aptitude show libperl5.10 | awk '/^Package/,/^Version/'
  aptitude --simulate --show-deps install libperl5.10=5.10.1-14

(I only need to see the first solution that is proposed for the second
 command; you can quit immediately if it should go into another series
 of solution attempts.)

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Re: What is Recommend CLI Package Manager Tool for Newb?

[Andrei Popescu]

On Vi, 27 aug 10, 07:23:20, Tom Browder wrote:
 I have to say I'm getting confused.  I'm in the middle of setting up
 my first Debian server  (which used to be Ubuntu).
 
 I will be administering it remotely and would like to use the best
 tool for the job.

For a stable server it probably doesn't matter, though apt-get might be 
faster than aptitude on the command-line. apt-cache certainly is faster 
for simple searches.

On a testing, sid or mixed system I'd definitely recommend aptitude's 
interactive mode.

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Re: What is Recommend CLI Package Manager Tool for Newb?

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In 4c786423.7080...@cox.net, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 08/27/2010 02:24 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
 In1282920166.29761.13.ca...@huevos, Chance Platt wrote:
 I say pick one and stick to it.  Apt and aptitude are close to parity
 feature-wise anymore (I'm sure others will disagree and it depends on
 how you define features) and there's some disagreement if aptitude
 really is the better choice even for dist-upgrades.
 
 Does apt-get have an interactive (dependency/conflict) resolver?

Sure.

Is there a description or screenshot of it somewhere?  Can I easily engage it 
from the command-line?  I'd like to play with it and see if it is as useful as 
the aptitude one.
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Re: What is Recommend CLI Package Manager Tool for Newb?

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Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net:
 
  Is there a description or screenshot of it somewhere?  Can I easily
  engage it from the command-line?  I'd like to play with it and see
  if it is as useful as the aptitude one.

See the -s switch, just like aptitude.


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What is Recommend CLI Package Manager Tool for Newb?

[Tom Browder]

I have to say I'm getting confused.  I'm in the middle of setting up
my first Debian server  (which used to be Ubuntu).

I will be administering it remotely and would like to use the best
tool for the job.

Now I read conflicting opinions from experienced people about apt-*,
aptitude, and wajit.

Is there a consensus?

Thanks.

-Tom

Thomas M. Browder, Jr.
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USA


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Re: What is Recommend CLI Package Manager Tool for Newb?

[Roman Khomasuridze]

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Tom Browder tom.brow...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have to say I'm getting confused.  I'm in the middle of setting up
 my first Debian server  (which used to be Ubuntu).

 I will be administering it remotely and would like to use the best
 tool for the job.

 Now I read conflicting opinions from experienced people about apt-*,
 aptitude, and wajit.

 Is there a consensus?

 Thanks.

 -Tom

 Thomas M. Browder, Jr.
 Niceville, Florida
 USA


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 well, personally i prefer aptitude, its more verbose, and i like that. but
on sidux (and other) forums people suggested apt-get, it is said that it
handles massive upgrades better (?). to be honest i never mentioned that. so
last couple of years i use aptitude on all my servers.


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Re: What is Recommend CLI Package Manager Tool for Newb?

[Alain Baeckeroot]

Le 27/08/2010 à 14:23, Tom Browder a écrit :
 
 I have to say I'm getting confused.  I'm in the middle of setting up
 my first Debian server  (which used to be Ubuntu).
 
 I will be administering it remotely and would like to use the best
 tool for the job.
 
 Now I read conflicting opinions from experienced people about apt-*,
 aptitude, and wajit.
 
 Is there a consensus?
my consensus :-) = use whatever you like.
I think aptitude is cool as it can be used like apt-get on one line command
and with a gui interface when onvoke without arguments.

I use both apt-get and aptitude and never had problem

Alain


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Re: What is Recommend CLI Package Manager Tool for Newb?

[T o n g]

On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:33:19 +0400, Roman Khomasuridze wrote:

 I will be administering it remotely and would like to use the best tool
 for the job.

 Now I read conflicting opinions from experienced people about apt-*,
 aptitude, and wajit.

 Is there a consensus?

consensus? I wish.

 well, personally i prefer aptitude, its more verbose, and i like that.
 but
 on sidux (and other) forums people suggested apt-get, it is said that it
 handles massive upgrades better (?).

Check the recent discussion for details. ie,
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user/388711/focus=388765

Quoting Osamu Aoki:

You may see change in release note:
 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=411280

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Re: What is Recommend CLI Package Manager Tool for Newb?

[Anthony Campbell]

On 27 Aug 2010, Tom Browder wrote:
 I have to say I'm getting confused.  I'm in the middle of setting up
 my first Debian server  (which used to be Ubuntu).
 
 I will be administering it remotely and would like to use the best
 tool for the job.
 
 Now I read conflicting opinions from experienced people about apt-*,
 aptitude, and wajit.
 
 Is there a consensus?
 
 Thanks.
 
 -Tom
 
 Thomas M. Browder, Jr.
 Niceville, Florida
 USA
 
 
Wajig man page says:

wajig packages into one tool many commands useful for managing a Debian
   system. Instead of having to remember whether to use dpkg or apt-get or
   apt-cache,  etc,  wajig  does the selection of the appropriate tool for
   you.

   wajig is a user command but will use sudo  to  run  commands  requiring
   super user permissions.


I find it is very convenient, but perhaps, if you are new to things, it
would be better to start with apt-get and friends to get an
understanding how they work. 

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Re: What is Recommend CLI Package Manager Tool for Newb?

[Chance Platt]

On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 07:23 -0500, Tom Browder wrote:
 I have to say I'm getting confused.  I'm in the middle of setting up
 my first Debian server  (which used to be Ubuntu).
 
 I will be administering it remotely and would like to use the best
 tool for the job.
 
 Now I read conflicting opinions from experienced people about apt-*,
 aptitude, and wajit.
 
 Is there a consensus?

Of course not. :)  The apt-get vs aptitude thread that's active now on
this list is a good discussion for you, as well.  Both tools are made
for users to maintain their machines.

I say pick one and stick to it.  Apt and aptitude are close to parity
feature-wise anymore (I'm sure others will disagree and it depends on
how you define features) and there's some disagreement if aptitude
really is the better choice even for dist-upgrades.

It seems to me that the discussion about package managers here is almost
political, in that many people who have a lot of experience with Debian
have no real idea of the hit rate of each package manager for their
respective features.  To me, that's OK, because that means they're both
probably excellent.

Over the years, I started with the apt tools, then I moved to aptitude,
then I moved back to apt again recently now that removing reverse
dependencies and is working well in apt.

So again, no worries, pick one and learn it well.

Chance


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Re: What is Recommend CLI Package Manager Tool for Newb?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In 1282920166.29761.13.ca...@huevos, Chance Platt wrote:
I say pick one and stick to it.  Apt and aptitude are close to parity
feature-wise anymore (I'm sure others will disagree and it depends on
how you define features) and there's some disagreement if aptitude
really is the better choice even for dist-upgrades.

Does apt-get have an interactive (dependency/conflict) resolver?  I find that 
is a requirement for smooth upgrades on my mixed 
stable/backports/testing/unstable/experimental system.
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Re: What is Recommend CLI Package Manager Tool for Newb?

[Charlie]

On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 07:23:20 -0500 Tom Browder tom.brow...@gmail.com
shared this with us all:

Is there a consensus?

Certainly. 

In Debian the consensus is always what you think sounds best to you,
tried and tested by yourself, and then use because it's best for you.
When people ask a similar question on the list - share your experience.

I think that's how it's supposed to work the Debian way.

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Re: What is Recommend CLI Package Manager Tool for Newb?

[Ron Johnson]

On 08/27/2010 02:24 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

In1282920166.29761.13.ca...@huevos, Chance Platt wrote:

I say pick one and stick to it.  Apt and aptitude are close to parity
feature-wise anymore (I'm sure others will disagree and it depends on
how you define features) and there's some disagreement if aptitude
really is the better choice even for dist-upgrades.


Does apt-get have an interactive (dependency/conflict) resolver?


Sure.


 I find that
is a requirement for smooth upgrades on my mixed
stable/backports/testing/unstable/experimental system.


Shudder

I'd stick with what you currently use, since it knows your current 
setup.


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Erro package manager

[EURO]

Opa pessoal da lista,

Toda vez aparece uma placa amarela com uma exclamacao dentro, no canto
direito superior da tela.

Ao clicar o package manager informa o seguinte erro:

W: GPG error: http://dl.google.com stable Release: The following signatures
couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY
A040830F7FAC5991
W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org lenny-backports Release: The
following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not
available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C

Eu tenho esses enderecos no sources.list, mas pelo visto preciso das chaves
de acesso. E isso?

Obrigado

Euro


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Re: Erro package manager

[Bruno Ayub]

Tente:

gpg --keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu --recv-key CHAVEDOERRO
gpg -a --export CHAVEDOERRO | apt-key add -




On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 12:31, EURO euri...@gmail.com wrote:

 Opa pessoal da lista,

 Toda vez aparece uma placa amarela com uma exclamacao dentro, no canto
 direito superior da tela.

 Ao clicar o package manager informa o seguinte erro:

 W: GPG error: http://dl.google.com stable Release: The following
 signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available:
 NO_PUBKEY A040830F7FAC5991
 W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org lenny-backports Release: The
 following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not
 available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C

 Eu tenho esses enderecos no sources.list, mas pelo visto preciso das chaves
 de acesso. E isso?

 Obrigado

 Euro


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Re: Erro package manager

[EURO]

Opa Bruno. Agradeco sua atencao...

Nao deu certo. Retornou:

euro:~# gpg --keyserver pgpjeys.mit.edu --recv-key A040830F7FAC5991
gpg: requesting key 7FAC5991 from hkp server pgpjeys.mit.edu
?: pgpjeys.mit.edu: Host not found
gpgkeys: HTTP fetch error 7: couldn't connect: No such file or directory
gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
gpg: Total number processed: 0

O meu sources.list contem:
**
#
# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 _Lenny_ - Official amd64 NETINST
Binary-1 20090906-11:59]/ lenny main

# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 _Lenny_ - Official amd64 NETINST
Binary-1 20090906-11:59]/ lenny main

deb http://sft.if.usp.br/debian/ lenny main
deb-src http://sft.if.usp.br/debian/ lenny main

deb http://sft.if.usp.br/debian/ lenny main non-free
deb-src http://sft.if.usp.br/debian/ lenny main non-free

deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main

deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main
deb-src http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main

deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free
deb http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable non-free

**

Obrigadao




2010/3/3 Bruno Ayub bruno.a...@gmail.com

 Tente:

 gpg --keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu --recv-key CHAVEDOERRO
 gpg -a --export CHAVEDOERRO | apt-key add -





 On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 12:31, EURO euri...@gmail.com wrote:

 Opa pessoal da lista,

 Toda vez aparece uma placa amarela com uma exclamacao dentro, no canto
 direito superior da tela.

 Ao clicar o package manager informa o seguinte erro:

 W: GPG error: http://dl.google.com stable Release: The following
 signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available:
 NO_PUBKEY A040830F7FAC5991
 W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org lenny-backports Release: The
 following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not
 available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C

 Eu tenho esses enderecos no sources.list, mas pelo visto preciso das
 chaves de acesso. E isso?

 Obrigado

 Euro


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Re: Erro package manager

[Bruno Ayub]

Não está encontrando o servidor de chaves...


Tenta com esse:

*gpg-keyserver*.de



On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 12:48, EURO euri...@gmail.com wrote:

 Opa Bruno. Agradeco sua atencao...

 Nao deu certo. Retornou:

 euro:~# gpg --keyserver pgpjeys.mit.edu --recv-key A040830F7FAC5991
 gpg: requesting key 7FAC5991 from hkp server pgpjeys.mit.edu
 ?: pgpjeys.mit.edu: Host not found
 gpgkeys: HTTP fetch error 7: couldn't connect: No such file or directory
 gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
 gpg: Total number processed: 0

 O meu sources.list contem:

 **
 #
 # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 _Lenny_ - Official amd64 NETINST
 Binary-1 20090906-11:59]/ lenny main

 # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 _Lenny_ - Official amd64 NETINST
 Binary-1 20090906-11:59]/ lenny main

 deb http://sft.if.usp.br/debian/ lenny main
 deb-src http://sft.if.usp.br/debian/ lenny main

 deb http://sft.if.usp.br/debian/ lenny main non-free
 deb-src http://sft.if.usp.br/debian/ lenny main non-free

 deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main
 deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main

 deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main
 deb-src http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main

 deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free
 deb http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable non-free


 **

 Obrigadao




 2010/3/3 Bruno Ayub bruno.a...@gmail.com

 Tente:

 gpg --keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu --recv-key CHAVEDOERRO
 gpg -a --export CHAVEDOERRO | apt-key add -





 On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 12:31, EURO euri...@gmail.com wrote:

 Opa pessoal da lista,

 Toda vez aparece uma placa amarela com uma exclamacao dentro, no canto
 direito superior da tela.

 Ao clicar o package manager informa o seguinte erro:

 W: GPG error: http://dl.google.com stable Release: The following
 signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available:
 NO_PUBKEY A040830F7FAC5991
 W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org lenny-backports Release: The
 following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not
 available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C

 Eu tenho esses enderecos no sources.list, mas pelo visto preciso das
 chaves de acesso. E isso?

 Obrigado

 Euro


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Re: Erro package manager

[EURO]

Opa Bruno,

Agora deu hein!
**
euro:~/Desktop# gpg --keyserver gpg-keyserver.de --recv-key EA8E8B2116BA136C
gpg: requesting key 16BA136C from hkp server gpg-keyserver.de
gpg: key 16BA136C: public key Backports.org Archive Key 
ftp-mas...@backports.org imported
gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found
gpg: Total number processed: 1
gpg:   imported: 1
**

Mas e essa questao de no ultimately trusted keys found???

Obrigadao

Euro


2010/3/3 Bruno Ayub bruno.a...@gmail.com

 Não está encontrando o servidor de chaves...


 Tenta com esse:

 *gpg-keyserver*.de




 On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 12:48, EURO euri...@gmail.com wrote:

 Opa Bruno. Agradeco sua atencao...

 Nao deu certo. Retornou:

 euro:~# gpg --keyserver pgpjeys.mit.edu --recv-key A040830F7FAC5991
 gpg: requesting key 7FAC5991 from hkp server pgpjeys.mit.edu
 ?: pgpjeys.mit.edu: Host not found
 gpgkeys: HTTP fetch error 7: couldn't connect: No such file or directory
 gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
 gpg: Total number processed: 0

 O meu sources.list contem:

 **
 #
 # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 _Lenny_ - Official amd64 NETINST
 Binary-1 20090906-11:59]/ lenny main

 # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 _Lenny_ - Official amd64 NETINST
 Binary-1 20090906-11:59]/ lenny main

 deb http://sft.if.usp.br/debian/ lenny main
 deb-src http://sft.if.usp.br/debian/ lenny main

 deb http://sft.if.usp.br/debian/ lenny main non-free
 deb-src http://sft.if.usp.br/debian/ lenny main non-free

 deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main
 deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main

 deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main
 deb-src http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main

 deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free
 deb http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable non-free


 **

 Obrigadao




 2010/3/3 Bruno Ayub bruno.a...@gmail.com

 Tente:

 gpg --keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu --recv-key CHAVEDOERRO
 gpg -a --export CHAVEDOERRO | apt-key add -





 On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 12:31, EURO euri...@gmail.com wrote:

 Opa pessoal da lista,

 Toda vez aparece uma placa amarela com uma exclamacao dentro, no canto
 direito superior da tela.

 Ao clicar o package manager informa o seguinte erro:

 W: GPG error: http://dl.google.com stable Release: The following
 signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available:
 NO_PUBKEY A040830F7FAC5991
 W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org lenny-backports Release: The
 following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not
 available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C

 Eu tenho esses enderecos no sources.list, mas pelo visto preciso das
 chaves de acesso. E isso?

 Obrigado

 Euro


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 *
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Re: Erro package manager

[EURO]

Opa !!!,

Agora o update manager insiste em nao completar a lista de downloads.

Segue anexo as imagens dis erros. Parece que o problema e com o google.

Aqueles comandos para achar as chaves:

gpg --keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu --recv-key CHAVEDOERRO
gpg -a --export CHAVEDOERRO | apt-key add -


Se eu quiser voltar a antes como faco???


Obrigadao

Euro

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 1:00 PM, EURO euri...@gmail.com wrote:

 Opa Bruno,

 Agora deu hein!
 **
 euro:~/Desktop# gpg --keyserver gpg-keyserver.de --recv-key
 EA8E8B2116BA136C
 gpg: requesting key 16BA136C from hkp server gpg-keyserver.de
 gpg: key 16BA136C: public key Backports.org Archive Key 
 ftp-mas...@backports.org imported
 gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found
 gpg: Total number processed: 1
 gpg:   imported: 1
 **

 Mas e essa questao de no ultimately trusted keys found???

 Obrigadao

 Euro



 2010/3/3 Bruno Ayub bruno.a...@gmail.com

 Não está encontrando o servidor de chaves...


 Tenta com esse:

 *gpg-keyserver*.de




 On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 12:48, EURO euri...@gmail.com wrote:

 Opa Bruno. Agradeco sua atencao...

 Nao deu certo. Retornou:

 euro:~# gpg --keyserver pgpjeys.mit.edu --recv-key A040830F7FAC5991
 gpg: requesting key 7FAC5991 from hkp server pgpjeys.mit.edu
 ?: pgpjeys.mit.edu: Host not found
 gpgkeys: HTTP fetch error 7: couldn't connect: No such file or directory
 gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
 gpg: Total number processed: 0

 O meu sources.list contem:

 **
 #
 # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 _Lenny_ - Official amd64 NETINST
 Binary-1 20090906-11:59]/ lenny main

 # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 _Lenny_ - Official amd64 NETINST
 Binary-1 20090906-11:59]/ lenny main

 deb http://sft.if.usp.br/debian/ lenny main
 deb-src http://sft.if.usp.br/debian/ lenny main

 deb http://sft.if.usp.br/debian/ lenny main non-free
 deb-src http://sft.if.usp.br/debian/ lenny main non-free

 deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main
 deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main

 deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main
 deb-src http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main

 deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib
 non-free
 deb http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable non-free


 **

 Obrigadao




 2010/3/3 Bruno Ayub bruno.a...@gmail.com

 Tente:

 gpg --keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu --recv-key CHAVEDOERRO
 gpg -a --export CHAVEDOERRO | apt-key add -





 On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 12:31, EURO euri...@gmail.com wrote:

 Opa pessoal da lista,

 Toda vez aparece uma placa amarela com uma exclamacao dentro, no canto
 direito superior da tela.

 Ao clicar o package manager informa o seguinte erro:

 W: GPG error: http://dl.google.com stable Release: The following
 signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available:
 NO_PUBKEY A040830F7FAC5991
 W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org lenny-backports Release: The
 following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not
 available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C

 Eu tenho esses enderecos no sources.list, mas pelo visto preciso das
 chaves de acesso. E isso?

 Obrigado

 Euro


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Re: Erro package manager

[Gunther Furtado]

Olá,

2010/3/3 EURO euri...@gmail.com:
 Opa Bruno. Agradeco sua atencao...

 Nao deu certo. Retornou:

 euro:~# gpg --keyserver pgpjeys.mit.edu --recv-key A040830F7FAC5991
 gpg: requesting key 7FAC5991 from hkp server pgpjeys.mit.edu
 ?: pgpjeys.mit.edu: Host not found


o servidor é pgpkeys e não pgpjeys.

[...]

Abraço,

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Re: Erro package manager

[Gunther Furtado]

Oi,

2010/3/3 EURO euri...@gmail.com:
 Opa !!!,

 Agora o update manager insiste em nao completar a lista de downloads.

 Segue anexo as imagens dis erros. Parece que o problema e com o google.


Não recebi os anexos.

 Aqueles comandos para achar as chaves:

 gpg --keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu --recv-key CHAVEDOERRO
 gpg -a --export CHAVEDOERRO | apt-key add -


 Se eu quiser voltar a antes como faco???


http://linux.die.net/man/1/gpg

ou

$ man gpg

devem ajudar.

[...]

Abraço,

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Re: Erro package manager

[Alex Paulo Laner]

http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions

If you want apt to verify the downloaded backports you can import
backports.org archive’s key into apt:

apt-get install debian-backports-keyring

 or

gpg --keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 16BA136C
gpg --export 16BA136C | apt-key add -

 or

wget -O - http://backports.org/debian/archive.key | apt-key add -


Alex Paulo Laner aka rootsh


2010/3/3 Gunther Furtado gunfurt...@gmail.com

 Oi,

 2010/3/3 EURO euri...@gmail.com:
  Opa !!!,
 
  Agora o update manager insiste em nao completar a lista de downloads.
 
  Segue anexo as imagens dis erros. Parece que o problema e com o google.
 

 Não recebi os anexos.

  Aqueles comandos para achar as chaves:
 
  gpg --keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu --recv-key CHAVEDOERRO
  gpg -a --export CHAVEDOERRO | apt-key add -
 
 
  Se eu quiser voltar a antes como faco???
 

 http://linux.die.net/man/1/gpg

 ou

 $ man gpg

 devem ajudar.

 [...]

 Abraço,

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