[l10n-dev] Re: [dev] Need you help on a string: Panel Deck Tab Bar

[Frank Schoenheit, Sun Microsystems Germany]

Hi Sophie,

> Does one of you recognize his baby and could enlighten us (L10n people 
> in cc of the mail) on what it is supposed to be/do:
> 
> [Panel Deck Tab Bar]
> 
> This string is located in the openoffice/accessibility/source/helper.po.

With the integration CWS slidecopy, a feature became available for
extensions to register arbitrary tool panels, to be displayed in a
per-application Task Pane (see
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Framework/Article/Tool_Panels
for a small documentation, and a Soylent Green screenshot :) ).

Those tool panels are organized in a tool panel deck, which basically is
what you know from Impress' Task Pane in current versions. One possible
layout for this tool panel deck is the "drawers", as shown in the
screenshot at the above side, and as known from Impress' Task Pane.

Another possible layout, which currently is not finalized, and thus not
available in the DEV300 builds, is a "tabbed" layout, where some kind of
tab bar (like in tabbed dialogs) is shown at the right/left hand side of
the tool panel deck, with one tab item per tool panel.

And "Panel Deck Tab Bar" is the Accessibility name for this thing.

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Re: [l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: OpenOffice.org 3.3 - translation schedule

[André Schnabel]

Hi,

Am 22.06.2010 21:39, schrieb Goran Rakic:

У уто, 22. 06 2010. у 16:10 -0300, Olivier Hallot пише:

Hi Rafaella&  dev's

I would like to express my deep disapointment with this situation.


I will second that, but for what I know the problem here is in our PO
toolkit, not in the process how developers work. Things can easily
improve by creating a new tool for merging POTs created from SDF file
with old PO files that could cope up with code moving from one module
into another.

If there are no voices against it I can work on this during July so we
can test and improve it later and make it ready for next release cycle.



Hmm .. I'm not really keen of having "yet another tool". If we are 
working on something, this should be done within translate toolkit. The 
pretranslate tool from translate toolkit is supposed to do exactly what 
we need - unfortunately it doesn't work the way we need it.


At least not for xliff - did anybody try with .po?

I also did not check, how "successfull" pretranslate works with 
translation memories. Unfortunately pretranslate manpage gives no 
information, what format to use as translation memory file.


In fact - for my own workflow (using xliff files, OLTE and built in 
translation memory which is based on the translations I did so far) 
gives ~ 60% automatic transaltions for the "moved" strings.
My translatoin memory does not contain all the previus translations, 
therefore the rather low rate. Unfortunately there is no german tmx file 
at ooo.services :(




So for me - before starting a new tool I'd recommend:
- to provide .tmx files based on previous translations for all languages
- try to improve translate toolkit
- teach developers about the workload some acitivities cause here, that 
seem to be very simple for developers and find some way to move l10n 
strings along with the original english strings



regards,

André


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Re: [l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: OpenOffice.org 3.3 - translation schedule

[Kevin Scannell]

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Khoem Sokhem  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I saw the file in .../devel/DEV300/DEV300_m83/Build-1/POT/ only 1KB of size.
> I think it is not a valid POT file for translating.
> Could  the file be located other location beside the a bove location?
>
> Thanks,
> Sokhem
>
>

I didn't see this answered and I have the same problem - are there POT
files available somewhere for m83?

Thanks

Kevin

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Re: [l10n-dev] Translation of the new Thank YOU page

[Olivier Hallot]

Pt-BR thank you page:

http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=112612

Regards
Olivier

Em 14-06-2010 10:24, Rafaella Braconi escreveu:

Thank you ALL for reacting so promptly to the translation request of
this page!

Rafaella



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Re: [l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: OpenOffice.org 3.3 - translation schedule

[Valter Mura]

In data martedì 22 giugno 2010 14:42:35, Rafaella Braconi ha scritto:

> > Please take a look, for instance, at the CUI folder as it contains all
> > strings for the options, the dialogs, tab pages and customization.
> > This is something ready from the begining of the project. Other
> > folders seems to have the same problem, and I have no way to easily
> > point what went wrong.
> 
> the problem is always that whenever there is a resource shifting it's
> very difficult to keep the translations... I wonder if 3.2 tmx files
> would help to recover old translations.
> 
> They can be found at:
> http://ooo.services.openoffice.org/pub/OpenOffice.org/cws/upload/localizati
> on/tmx32/
> 
I do confirm, with regret, I cannot found an updated tmx for Italian... 

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Re: [l10n-dev] Translation of the new Thank YOU page

[Jeongkyu Kim]

2010/6/22 Rafaella Braconi :
> Dear All,
>
> this is a headsup that we are going to redirect all Thank you pages for
> which we haven't received translations to the English Thank you page. If
> this shouldn't be done for your language and you still want to deliver a
> translated thank you page, please let me know by Thursday, June 24th CEST
> COB.
>

Here is Korean translation.

http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=112485

Jeongkyu
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Personal blog http://openoffice.or.kr/gomme

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Re: [l10n-dev] Translation of the new Thank YOU page

[Rimas Kudelis]

 2010.06.22 21:24, Alexandro Colorado rašė:
> I upload the localization for spanish here:
> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=112610
>
> I most say that the HTML is very crude, having lots of deprecated tags
> and styling embedded in the page as opposed of using CSS. For example
> has  tags instead of  and use of tables instead of DIV.
> Maybe should be improved HTML code to at least a more modern age. It
> lacks a DoctType and really looks like an HTML 4.01 page.
>
> I wonder what software did this page, is very outdated. Anyone else notice 
> this?
> Should webdev group go through the code of this page?

Yeah, I noticed... However, previous version was similar crap (in terms
of source code), so I just ignored it.

To me, it looked as if somebody generated that page using OpenOffice
itself (bad, bad idea!)

I wouldn't care about  tags as they're being rehabilitated in HTML5
and I started using them myself sometimes (in those cases where I mean
bold font, and not strong emphasis), but using table for layout, and all
those font tags are really ugly.

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Re: [l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: OpenOffice.org 3.3 - translation schedule

[Goran Rakic]

У уто, 22. 06 2010. у 16:10 -0300, Olivier Hallot пише: 
> Hi Rafaella & dev's
> 
> I would like to express my deep disapointment with this situation.

I will second that, but for what I know the problem here is in our PO
toolkit, not in the process how developers work. Things can easily
improve by creating a new tool for merging POTs created from SDF file
with old PO files that could cope up with code moving from one module
into another.

If there are no voices against it I can work on this during July so we
can test and improve it later and make it ready for next release cycle.

Goran



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Re: [l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: OpenOffice.org 3.3 - translation schedule

[Olivier Hallot]

Hi Rafaella & dev's

I would like to express my deep disapointment with this situation.

I just can't figure why we, translators, have to fix code refactoring 
l10n issues, without any early notice and with apparently not a miminal 
concern from the developers with respect to the overload they inflict to 
us. Our job is not a lesser job, and we produce what our NL users see 
first-hand in the software.


I am not concerned on re-work thru automatic cut-&-paste on something 
already done long time ago. I am concerned on the error and mistakes we 
will for sure introduce each time we have to edit a po file that has 
been committed years before, with almost no backup or easy traceback 
procedure to recover the precise string used at that time. As said in 
this thread, it is the same workload as if it was new.


So, I beg you to work on how to stop this.

Kind regards from Rio
Olivier

Em 22-06-2010 09:42, Rafaella Braconi escreveu:

Hi Olivier,

On 22.06.10 11:59, Olivier Hallot wrote:

Hi Rafaella

It is (so far) in the UI.

Please take a look, for instance, at the CUI folder as it contains 
all strings for the options, the dialogs, tab pages and 
customization. This is something ready from the begining of the 
project. Other folders seems to have the same problem, and I have no 
way to easily point what went wrong.


the problem is always that whenever there is a resource shifting it's 
very difficult to keep the translations... I wonder if 3.2 tmx files 
would help to recover old translations.


They can be found at: 
http://ooo.services.openoffice.org/pub/OpenOffice.org/cws/upload/localization/tmx32/ 



In summary, pt-BR UI got back to 90% of translated strings (from 
100%) and that does not seem correct with respect to the new features 
announced for OO 3.3.


On a side note, I really think we need a version control on the po 
files...

I think that a more powerful translation memory in Pootle would help...

Rafaella


Olivier

Em 22-06-2010 04:54, Rafaella Braconi escreveu:

Hi Olivier,

On 21.06.10 21:48, Olivier Hallot wrote:

Hi Rafaella

Is Pootle already loaded with the new strings?

yes, it has been updated with milestone 83.


Because I had a glimpse at the pt-BR strings and had a bad feeling
that several files were reset to zero translation,

Are you talking about Help or UI strings? Can you provide some examples
so that we can try to verify?

Thanks,
rafaella

or there is a shuffling among them and no track on what have changed.

Also, looking at the feature freeze page, it seems to me that we
should not have that much to translate.

Thanks
Regards



Em 21-06-2010 13:42, Rafaella Braconi escreveu:

Hi André,

André Schnabel ha scritto:

Hi,


Am 21.06.2010 18:13, schrieb Rafaella Braconi:

Hi André,


but the curect update already introduced
UI: ~9000 words
Help: ~2 words


You are completely right. I forgot to add the fuzzy matches


hmm but this would mean, that second handover will bring almost no
more new strings in? Can you confirm this?

With the m83 almost all changes - especially in the Help - have
already been integrated. With the second handoff there will be some
additional changes, but at the moment I don't have any estimates
about their volume. As soon as I have any updates, I'll let you know.
In the meanwhile, I would encourage all the teams to use this time to
translate before the second handoff.

Regards,
Rafaella





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Re: [l10n-dev] Translation of the new Thank YOU page

[Alexandro Colorado]

I upload the localization for spanish here:
http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=112610

I most say that the HTML is very crude, having lots of deprecated tags
and styling embedded in the page as opposed of using CSS. For example
has  tags instead of  and use of tables instead of DIV.
Maybe should be improved HTML code to at least a more modern age. It
lacks a DoctType and really looks like an HTML 4.01 page.

I wonder what software did this page, is very outdated. Anyone else notice this?
Should webdev group go through the code of this page?


On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Rafaella Braconi
 wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> this is a headsup that we are going to redirect all Thank you pages for
> which we haven't received translations to the English Thank you page. If
> this shouldn't be done for your language and you still want to deliver a
> translated thank you page, please let me know by Thursday, June 24th CEST
> COB.
>
> Thanks,
> Rafaella
>
> On 11.06.10 18:02, Rafaella Braconi wrote:
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> the new Thank YOU page
>>  is now online and
>> ready to be translated - for all the ones who would like to see it in their
>> language.
>> The *Thank YOU page* is displayed by the the OpenOffice.org update
>> notifications. When an OpenOffice.org user gets notified that there is a new
>> version available, during the product download, the browser opens and
>> displays the Thank YOU page.
>> I've created a wiki page with a few instructions on how to proceed to
>> translate this page at:
>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Translation_for_ThankYou_Page
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>> Rafaella
>>
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Re: [l10n-dev] Re: [dev] Need you help on a string: Panel Deck Tab Bar

[Sophie]

Hi Joost,
Joost Andrae wrote:

Hi Sophie,

Does one of you recognize his baby and could enlighten us (L10n people 
in cc of the mail) on what it is supposed to be/do:


[Panel Deck Tab Bar]

This string is located in the openoffice/accessibility/source/helper.po.



If I'm not wrong it must be this change:
http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/diff/88ad3a3f14bf/accessibility/source/helper/accessiblestrings.src 

Integrated by CWS slidecopy (integrated into DEV300m81) by using issue 
http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=111236

Feature mail:
http://tools.services.openoffice.org/EIS2/changesmails.EditFeature?Id=4653


Ha, yes, of course I should have think to the Soylent Green again ;-) 
Thanks a lot Joost for your help.


Maybe Frank Schoenheit can shed some light on this accessibility related 
string...


If it's the signification of that Panel Deck Tab Bar, it's ok, I think 
we will be able to understand what it's about now.


Kind regards
Sophie

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[l10n-dev] Re: [dev] Need you help on a string: Panel Deck Tab Bar

[Joost Andrae]

Hi Sophie,

Does one of you recognize his baby and could enlighten us (L10n people 
in cc of the mail) on what it is supposed to be/do:


[Panel Deck Tab Bar]

This string is located in the openoffice/accessibility/source/helper.po.



If I'm not wrong it must be this change:
http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/diff/88ad3a3f14bf/accessibility/source/helper/accessiblestrings.src
Integrated by CWS slidecopy (integrated into DEV300m81) by using issue 
http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=111236

Feature mail:
http://tools.services.openoffice.org/EIS2/changesmails.EditFeature?Id=4653

Maybe Frank Schoenheit can shed some light on this accessibility related 
string...



Kind regards, Joost

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[l10n-dev] Need you help on a string: Panel Deck Tab Bar

[Sophie]

Dear Developers,

Does one of you recognize his baby and could enlighten us (L10n people 
in cc of the mail) on what it is supposed to be/do:


[Panel Deck Tab Bar]

This string is located in the openoffice/accessibility/source/helper.po.

Thanks in advance :)
Kind regards
Sophie

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Re: [l10n-dev] Translation of the new Thank YOU page

[Rafaella Braconi]

Dear All,

this is a headsup that we are going to redirect all Thank you pages for 
which we haven't received translations to the English Thank you page. If 
this shouldn't be done for your language and you still want to deliver a 
translated thank you page, please let me know by Thursday, June 24th 
CEST COB.


Thanks,
Rafaella

On 11.06.10 18:02, Rafaella Braconi wrote:

Dear All,

the new Thank YOU page 
 is now online 
and ready to be translated - for all the ones who would like to see it 
in their language.
The *Thank YOU page* is displayed by the the OpenOffice.org update 
notifications. When an OpenOffice.org user gets notified that there is 
a new version available, during the product download, the browser 
opens and displays the Thank YOU page.
I've created a wiki page with a few instructions on how to proceed to 
translate this page at: 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Translation_for_ThankYou_Page


Kind Regards,
Rafaella

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Re: [l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: OpenOffice.org 3.3 - translation schedule

[Valter Mura]

In data martedì 22 giugno 2010 14:42:35, Rafaella Braconi ha scritto:
: > Hi Olivier,
> 
> On 22.06.10 11:59, Olivier Hallot wrote:
> > Hi Rafaella
> > 
> > It is (so far) in the UI.
> > 
> > Please take a look, for instance, at the CUI folder as it contains all
> > strings for the options, the dialogs, tab pages and customization.
> > This is something ready from the begining of the project. Other
> > folders seems to have the same problem, and I have no way to easily
> > point what went wrong.
> 
> the problem is always that whenever there is a resource shifting it's
> very difficult to keep the translations... I wonder if 3.2 tmx files
> would help to recover old translations.
> 
> They can be found at:
> http://ooo.services.openoffice.org/pub/OpenOffice.org/cws/upload/localizati
> on/tmx32/
> 

Maybe Italian strings are in the "eu" files?

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Re: [l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: OpenOffice.org 3.3 - translation schedule

[Valter Mura]

In data martedì 22 giugno 2010 14:42:35, Rafaella Braconi ha scritto:
: > Hi Olivier,
> 
> On 22.06.10 11:59, Olivier Hallot wrote:
> > Hi Rafaella
> > 
> > It is (so far) in the UI.
> > 
> > Please take a look, for instance, at the CUI folder as it contains all
> > strings for the options, the dialogs, tab pages and customization.
> > This is something ready from the begining of the project. Other
> > folders seems to have the same problem, and I have no way to easily
> > point what went wrong.
> 
> the problem is always that whenever there is a resource shifting it's
> very difficult to keep the translations... I wonder if 3.2 tmx files
> would help to recover old translations.
> 
> They can be found at:
> http://ooo.services.openoffice.org/pub/OpenOffice.org/cws/upload/localizati
> on/tmx32/
> 
> > In summary, pt-BR UI got back to 90% of translated strings (from 100%)
> > and that does not seem correct with respect to the new features
> > announced for OO 3.3.
> > 
> > On a side note, I really think we need a version control on the po
> > files...
> 
> I think that a more powerful translation memory in Pootle would help...
> 

Hi,
Hey, where's Italian tmx files? Am I wrong or something is missing?


BTW, these tmx are old and not updated with some very recent corrections...

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Re: [l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: OpenOffice.org 3.3 - translation schedule

[Andre Schnabel]

Hi,

> Von: Rafaella Braconi 

> >
> > On a side note, I really think we need a version control on the po 
> > files...
> I think that a more powerful translation memory in Pootle would help...

Pootle (or more precise translate toolkit) can use old translation files
(set of po files) as "translation memory". I'd guess, using pretranslate 
instead of pomerge would give much more fuzzy matches (so that you only
need to check instead of translate).

Still did not test this - quite busiy with other things atm :(

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Re: [l10n-dev] Delete 3 files in Pootle (uploaded to wrong path)

[Frank Mau]

The files were removed.
Frank

Serg Bormant schrieb:

Hi,

Three files (items.po, misc.po, view.po) were placed in Pootle's
/ru/openoffice_org/ instead of right place.
So, they should be deleted.

Can anybody help and delete these files, please?




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Re: [l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: OpenOffice.org 3.3 - translation schedule

[Rafaella Braconi]

Hi Olivier,

On 22.06.10 11:59, Olivier Hallot wrote:

Hi Rafaella

It is (so far) in the UI.

Please take a look, for instance, at the CUI folder as it contains all 
strings for the options, the dialogs, tab pages and customization. 
This is something ready from the begining of the project. Other 
folders seems to have the same problem, and I have no way to easily 
point what went wrong.


the problem is always that whenever there is a resource shifting it's 
very difficult to keep the translations... I wonder if 3.2 tmx files 
would help to recover old translations.


They can be found at: 
http://ooo.services.openoffice.org/pub/OpenOffice.org/cws/upload/localization/tmx32/


In summary, pt-BR UI got back to 90% of translated strings (from 100%) 
and that does not seem correct with respect to the new features 
announced for OO 3.3.


On a side note, I really think we need a version control on the po 
files...

I think that a more powerful translation memory in Pootle would help...

Rafaella


Olivier

Em 22-06-2010 04:54, Rafaella Braconi escreveu:

Hi Olivier,

On 21.06.10 21:48, Olivier Hallot wrote:

Hi Rafaella

Is Pootle already loaded with the new strings?

yes, it has been updated with milestone 83.


Because I had a glimpse at the pt-BR strings and had a bad feeling
that several files were reset to zero translation,

Are you talking about Help or UI strings? Can you provide some examples
so that we can try to verify?

Thanks,
rafaella

or there is a shuffling among them and no track on what have changed.

Also, looking at the feature freeze page, it seems to me that we
should not have that much to translate.

Thanks
Regards



Em 21-06-2010 13:42, Rafaella Braconi escreveu:

Hi André,

André Schnabel ha scritto:

Hi,


Am 21.06.2010 18:13, schrieb Rafaella Braconi:

Hi André,


but the curect update already introduced
UI: ~9000 words
Help: ~2 words


You are completely right. I forgot to add the fuzzy matches


hmm but this would mean, that second handover will bring almost no
more new strings in? Can you confirm this?

With the m83 almost all changes - especially in the Help - have
already been integrated. With the second handoff there will be some
additional changes, but at the moment I don't have any estimates
about their volume. As soon as I have any updates, I'll let you know.
In the meanwhile, I would encourage all the teams to use this time to
translate before the second handoff.

Regards,
Rafaella





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Re: [l10n-dev] Kubota-san JA translation coordinator has been resigned.

[Rafaella Braconi]

Nice to meet you, Takeshi Otsuki! Congratulations to your new role as JA 
translation coordinator!


Kind Regards,
Rafaella

On 22.06.10 13:40, Takeshi Otsuki wrote:

Hello Rafaella,

I am Takeshi Otsuki.
I coordinate translation of JA.
Nakata of the JA Project Lead approves it.

Kind regards,
Takeshi Otsuki


On Fri, 21 May 2010 10:23:23 +0200
Rafaella Braconi  wrote:

  

Hi Maho,


I need a coordinator of the translation. Now JA team has many good translators.
  
  
great to hear that the JA NL team has many good translators! Is there 
may be someone who would like to be the coordinator?
Or may be be it would be good to provide a short description of the 
tasks a coordinator should be responsible for...


Rafaella

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Re: [l10n-dev] Kubota-san JA translation coordinator has been resigned.

[Takeshi Otsuki]

Hello Rafaella,

I am Takeshi Otsuki.
I coordinate translation of JA.
Nakata of the JA Project Lead approves it.

Kind regards,
Takeshi Otsuki


On Fri, 21 May 2010 10:23:23 +0200
Rafaella Braconi  wrote:

> Hi Maho,
> >
> > I need a coordinator of the translation. Now JA team has many good 
> > translators.
> >   
> great to hear that the JA NL team has many good translators! Is there 
> may be someone who would like to be the coordinator?
> Or may be be it would be good to provide a short description of the 
> tasks a coordinator should be responsible for...
> 
> Rafaella
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Re: [l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: OpenOffice.org 3.3 - translation schedule

[Andre Schnabel]

Hi,

> Von: Sophie 

> 
> It can for more than 90% of them, but you have to check for it any way...

Yes, but verification of a string is less then one second in most cases
vs. up to several minutes for a new translation ;)

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Re: [l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: OpenOffice.org 3.3 - translation schedule

[Goran Rakic]

У уто, 22. 06 2010. у 06:59 -0300, Olivier Hallot пише:
> Please take a look, for instance, at the CUI folder as it contains all 
> strings for the options, the dialogs, tab pages and customization.

This is same as what I got when converting SDF to POT and using
pomigrate2 to merge with old translations.

Let us look at macropg.src#RID_SVXSTR_EVENT_SAVEDOC.string.text. Before
it was in svx/source/dialog.po and now it is in cui/source/customize.po
 
When running [pomigrate2 -C -F ui uinew pot] some of these messages
where not kept as translated, while some are. I have 158 translated and
27 not translated in cui/source/customize.po after the merge.

I am thinking about writing a replacement for pomigrate2 that will keep
track of reference ids when merging. Currently as a workaround I am
using msgmerge to manually re-merge old translations when situation like
this happens.

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Re: [l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: OpenOffice.org 3.3 - translation schedule

[Sophie]

Hi,
Andre Schnabel wrote:

Hi,

In summary, pt-BR UI got back to 90% of translated strings (from 100%) 
and that does not seem correct with respect to the new features 
announced for OO 3.3.


Same for German here. 


*but* this is normal behavior having our current workflow in mind.
some developer decided to shuffle source strings from location A to
location B - our workflow does not apply atuomatic translation to such
changes (last time this happened, it seemed as if developers are not
aware of the l10n workload they are causing).



On a side note, I really think we need a version control on the po
files...


Yes, would also be nice to have, but would not solve the specific
problem. I did not check yet, if the strings at the new location can
be translated automatic.


It can for more than 90% of them, but you have to check for it any way...
Kind regards
Sophie


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Re: [l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: OpenOffice.org 3.3 - translation schedule

[Andre Schnabel]

Hi,

> 
> In summary, pt-BR UI got back to 90% of translated strings (from 100%) 
> and that does not seem correct with respect to the new features 
> announced for OO 3.3.

Same for German here. 

*but* this is normal behavior having our current workflow in mind.
some developer decided to shuffle source strings from location A to
location B - our workflow does not apply atuomatic translation to such
changes (last time this happened, it seemed as if developers are not
aware of the l10n workload they are causing).


> 
> On a side note, I really think we need a version control on the po
> files...

Yes, would also be nice to have, but would not solve the specific
problem. I did not check yet, if the strings at the new location can
be translated automatic.

Regards,

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Re: [l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: OpenOffice.org 3.3 - translation schedule

[Andras Timar]

Hi Olivier,

Modules were migrated from svx to cui (i.e. source code were moved
from one module to another). In an ideal world all translations would
have been copied, too and not offered again for translation. We need
to find an easy way to automatically leverage old translations.

Regards,
Andras

2010/6/22 Olivier Hallot :
> Please take a look, for instance, at the CUI folder as it contains all
> strings for the options, the dialogs, tab pages and customization. This is
> something ready from the begining of the project. Other folders seems to
> have the same problem, and I have no way to easily point what went wrong.

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Re: [l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: OpenOffice.org 3.3 - translation schedule

[Olivier Hallot]

Hi Rafaella

It is (so far) in the UI.

Please take a look, for instance, at the CUI folder as it contains all 
strings for the options, the dialogs, tab pages and customization. This 
is something ready from the begining of the project. Other folders seems 
to have the same problem, and I have no way to easily point what went 
wrong.


In summary, pt-BR UI got back to 90% of translated strings (from 100%) 
and that does not seem correct with respect to the new features 
announced for OO 3.3.


On a side note, I really think we need a version control on the po files...

Olivier

Em 22-06-2010 04:54, Rafaella Braconi escreveu:

Hi Olivier,

On 21.06.10 21:48, Olivier Hallot wrote:

Hi Rafaella

Is Pootle already loaded with the new strings?

yes, it has been updated with milestone 83.


Because I had a glimpse at the pt-BR strings and had a bad feeling
that several files were reset to zero translation,

Are you talking about Help or UI strings? Can you provide some examples
so that we can try to verify?

Thanks,
rafaella

or there is a shuffling among them and no track on what have changed.

Also, looking at the feature freeze page, it seems to me that we
should not have that much to translate.

Thanks
Regards



Em 21-06-2010 13:42, Rafaella Braconi escreveu:

Hi André,

André Schnabel ha scritto:

Hi,


Am 21.06.2010 18:13, schrieb Rafaella Braconi:

Hi André,


but the curect update already introduced
UI: ~9000 words
Help: ~2 words


You are completely right. I forgot to add the fuzzy matches


hmm but this would mean, that second handover will bring almost no
more new strings in? Can you confirm this?

With the m83 almost all changes - especially in the Help - have
already been integrated. With the second handoff there will be some
additional changes, but at the moment I don't have any estimates
about their volume. As soon as I have any updates, I'll let you know.
In the meanwhile, I would encourage all the teams to use this time to
translate before the second handoff.

Regards,
Rafaella

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Re: [l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: OpenOffice.org 3.3 - translation schedule

[Rafaella Braconi]

Hi Martin,

On 22.06.10 00:17, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

Rafaella,

I am singlehandedly working on the Slovenian translation and have my own
localization server. I have regularly updated my files so yesterday I had
just one fuzzy string left with the updated m83.

If I understand you correctly, even if I am not working via Pootle, I have
to send the sdf to you (or add it to an issue) before July 1, so that you
get a almost-fully-translated stuff for all languages into the tree and then
update my files after July 1? Or do I keep updating to new m84, m85 etc.
until OOO330m1 and finish my full translation and open an issue and attach
the sdf file till July 15?
  

Yes, we keep updating. The delivery deadlines you should look at are:
July 15th - to meet the OOo 3.3 Beta release
August 12th - final translation delivery

No need to provide anything besides those dates.

Thanks,
Rafaella

The latter was the case until now.

Thanks, m.

2010/6/21 Rafaella Braconi 

  

Dear Translators/Localizers,

I've created a wiki page gathering information on how to proceed with the
translation work for 3.3.

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Translation_for_3.3

Milestone 83 can be used to start translation. However, please disregard 2
modules that erroneously have been integrated: testautomation and
migrationanalysis.

Please note that there is a Beta release scheduled for 3.3. The focus of
the Beta release is primarily UI, that means, that it's not a requirement to
provide translated Help files. Delivery deadline for the Beta is July 15th.

Kind Regards,
Rafaella


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Re: [l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: OpenOffice.org 3.3 - translation schedule

[Rafaella Braconi]

Hi Olivier,

On 21.06.10 21:48, Olivier Hallot wrote:

Hi Rafaella

Is Pootle already loaded with the new strings?

yes, it has been updated with milestone 83.


Because I had a glimpse at the pt-BR strings and had a bad feeling 
that several files were reset to zero translation,
Are you talking about Help or UI strings? Can you provide some examples 
so that we can try to verify?


Thanks,
rafaella

or there is a shuffling among them and no track on what have changed.

Also, looking at the feature freeze page, it seems to me that we 
should not have that much to translate.


Thanks
Regards



Em 21-06-2010 13:42, Rafaella Braconi escreveu:

Hi André,

André Schnabel ha scritto:

Hi,


Am 21.06.2010 18:13, schrieb Rafaella Braconi:

Hi André,


but the curect update already introduced
UI: ~9000 words
Help: ~2 words


You are completely right. I forgot to add the fuzzy matches


hmm but this would mean, that second handover will bring almost no 
more new strings in? Can you confirm this?
With the m83 almost all changes - especially in the Help - have 
already been integrated. With the second handoff there will be some 
additional changes, but at the moment I don't have any estimates 
about their volume. As soon as I have any updates, I'll let you know. 
In the meanwhile, I would encourage all the teams to use this time to 
translate before the second handoff.


Regards,
Rafaella

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