Re: [marketing] MS fires back - new free MS Office expected next year
Per Eriksson wrote (13-7-2009 21:20) http://erinet.se/why/ Okay here is my quick outline. Here are my argumentations and thoughts. 1. Let everyone get the basic most important information. I have summarized the key things the user needs to learn within 5 seconds. 2. In-depth information has been placed aside. These target audiences should read the basic stuff as well. 3. This idea would replace the current why site, that I today personally feel is too complicated. Feel free to comment the idea. Note however that its just that, an idea. Thanks, Per! Good start: short and sharp ;-) Few thing that I miss: - OpenOffice.org is free for all and with all features, always. I hear adds on the radio for cost-saving products all day long. So I see no reason to be shy about our product to be gratis. - What about compatible and available for all major os-ses? For those reading Dutch, two links to simple sites done by my self: www.nieuwsteoffice.nl.nieuwsteversie.nl When people are interested, I can supply translations. Ciao - Cor -- Cor Nouws - nl.OpenOffice.org marketing contact Ontwikkelaar? Join! http://council.openoffice.org/developers.html Gevoel niet vrij te zijn? Zie www.nieuwsteversie.nl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] new why page? [was: MS fires back...]
Hi Per, all, Per Eriksson wrote: John McCreesh skrev: On Mon, July 13, 2009 19:03, Per Eriksson wrote: [snip] I would start an effort to make the why site much simpler. More like a guide. If you are a specific role this is covered on different more in-depth pages. John, I'd be happy to provide a sketch with my ideas for the why site. Go for it. [...] http://erinet.se/why/ Okay here is my quick outline. [...] I like it (and support Andy's point about "coolness"). But I'm not quite sure if the four points mentioned (and the ranking among them) will be the most attractive reasons for not yet convinced new users for OpenOffice.org. What about "Future proof file format" or something like that? Are new features really our top-level reason to use OOo? For me personally the existing features, covering all necessary tasks, are more important. The second point would be extensions, after that new features. Then security, file format and openness. But these are just my personal thoughts - not necessarily more valuable than any other ... Best regards Bernhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] MS fires back - new free MS Office expected next year
Andy skrev: Per, I like it. Simple and to the point. The only suggestion I have is lose the "cool" part. If your only trying to attract younger users that maybe ok, but professionals may be turned off by it. Thanks for this. I'll losse the cool word, you're right. It is creating a bigger distance for enterprise users. Would you like me to continue to work on this? John, what do you think? Per - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] MS fires back - new free MS Office expected next year
Per Eriksson wrote: http://erinet.se/why/ Okay here is my quick outline. Here are my argumentations and thoughts. Per, I like it. Simple and to the point. The only suggestion I have is lose the "cool" part. If your only trying to attract younger users that maybe ok, but professionals may be turned off by it. -- Andy Brown - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] MS fires back - new free MS Office expected next year
John McCreesh skrev: On Mon, July 13, 2009 19:03, Per Eriksson wrote: [snip] I would start an effort to make the why site much simpler. More like a guide. If you are a specific role this is covered on different more in-depth pages. John, I'd be happy to provide a sketch with my ideas for the why site. Go for it. There's an 'ideas for Why' section in the wiki: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Why http://erinet.se/why/ Okay here is my quick outline. Here are my argumentations and thoughts. 1. Let everyone get the basic most important information. I have summarized the key things the user needs to learn within 5 seconds. 2. In-depth information has been placed aside. These target audiences should read the basic stuff as well. 3. This idea would replace the current why site, that I today personally feel is too complicated. Feel free to comment the idea. Note however that its just that, an idea. Per - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] MS fires back - new free MS Office expected next year
I've been up for way too long but from a user's perspective the differences between a free as in beer version of MS office and OpenOffice.org are: * OpenOffice.org is free in it's entirety, AFAIK MS Office will not. * OpenOffice.org is under an OSI approved license and will thus practically remain for ever so, while usage terms of MS Office allow it to play fair only while it needs to do so. IMHO, we should present this move as a consequence of OpenOffice.org been widely used today, thus pressing upon the issue of continuing the same momentum for the community's benefit. I'll go finish my beer and java code now. Cheers, Manos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] MS fires back - new free MS Office expected next year
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: > Hi, > >> I think mozilla is doing a great job because they focus on activities >> and that is usually fun. I tried to get some of our funds to really >> put the marketing efforts on a next level but seems this wasn't a top >> priority. > > I think Mozilla isn't comparable with us quite well. > > Mozilla's marketing people are mostly paid by Mozilla, i.e. they have much > more time and ressources available. From what I know, Mozilla meets > regularly with all team members, paid by the company. This for sure makes > things much easier in comparison to what we have available. We can't simply > travel through the world, attend every event and use 8 hours a day for > marketing. :-) > > For the resources we have available, I think we do a very good job - which > doesn't mean that there is not room for improvement. ;-) > > Florian Then again more to my point we need to fund this project in a larger ways that we are currently funding it. Having better revenue models that we can benefit either from companies that use our service or our some times demand our service and we dont even communicate it well to them. -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Español IM: j...@jabber.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] MS fires back - new free MS Office expected next year
Hi, Florian Effenberger skrev: Hi, I think mozilla is doing a great job because they focus on activities and that is usually fun. I tried to get some of our funds to really put the marketing efforts on a next level but seems this wasn't a top priority. I think Mozilla isn't comparable with us quite well. Mozilla's marketing people are mostly paid by Mozilla, i.e. they have much more time and ressources available. From what I know, Mozilla meets regularly with all team members, paid by the company. This for sure makes things much easier in comparison to what we have available. We can't simply travel through the world, attend every event and use 8 hours a day for marketing. :-) For the resources we have available, I think we do a very good job - which doesn't mean that there is not room for improvement. ;-) What we simply have to do it try to reach the same goals with different methods. I am missing more graphical work and people who ready understand simpleness. This is things I will focus on in my proposal :-) Per - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] MS fires back - new free MS Office expected next year
Hi, I think mozilla is doing a great job because they focus on activities and that is usually fun. I tried to get some of our funds to really put the marketing efforts on a next level but seems this wasn't a top priority. I think Mozilla isn't comparable with us quite well. Mozilla's marketing people are mostly paid by Mozilla, i.e. they have much more time and ressources available. From what I know, Mozilla meets regularly with all team members, paid by the company. This for sure makes things much easier in comparison to what we have available. We can't simply travel through the world, attend every event and use 8 hours a day for marketing. :-) For the resources we have available, I think we do a very good job - which doesn't mean that there is not room for improvement. ;-) Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] MS fires back - new free MS Office expected next year
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 7:18 PM, John McCreesh wrote: > On Mon, July 13, 2009 19:03, Per Eriksson wrote: > [snip] >> I would start an effort to make the why site much simpler. More like a >> guide. If you are a specific role this is covered on different more >> in-depth pages. >> >> John, I'd be happy to provide a sketch with my ideas for the why site. > > Go for it. There's an 'ideas for Why' section in the wiki: > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Why > > John > -- > John McCreesh - Marketing Project Lead - OpenOffice.org > Developers - join us! see http://council.openoffice.org/developers.html I think mozilla is doing a great job because they focus on activities and that is usually fun. I tried to get some of our funds to really put the marketing efforts on a next level but seems this wasn't a top priority. I still think that the online community want to see our developers code and explain how to code in OOo. They want to see spokesman/woman talking about the ease of useness for regular people without tricks and difficulties. And of course the services that we provide are stillnot productize like the free support you get on the forums and mailing lists. -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Español IM: j...@jabber.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] MS fires back - new free MS Office expected next year
Andy skrev: Per Eriksson wrote: Hello, The latest news announced today: http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSTRE56C34T20090713 I think it's a good idea to even clearer show the main big benefits of using OpenOffice.org. Are we really mentioning our cutting-edge features and extensions clear enough? Seems even more reason to get away from anything that Microsoft does.. Has the sound of 1984 to it.. I tried Adobes web version done in Flash. I thought it sucked hard, but I am not ready to criticise web versions yet ;-) Per - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] MS fires back - new free MS Office expected next year
Per Eriksson wrote: Hello, The latest news announced today: http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSTRE56C34T20090713 I think it's a good idea to even clearer show the main big benefits of using OpenOffice.org. Are we really mentioning our cutting-edge features and extensions clear enough? Seems even more reason to get away from anything that Microsoft does.. Has the sound of 1984 to it.. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] MS fires back - new free MS Office expected next year
On Mon, July 13, 2009 19:03, Per Eriksson wrote: [snip] > I would start an effort to make the why site much simpler. More like a > guide. If you are a specific role this is covered on different more > in-depth pages. > > John, I'd be happy to provide a sketch with my ideas for the why site. Go for it. There's an 'ideas for Why' section in the wiki: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Why John -- John McCreesh - Marketing Project Lead - OpenOffice.org Developers - join us! see http://council.openoffice.org/developers.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] MS fires back - new free MS Office expected next year
Alexandro Colorado skrev: On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Per Eriksson wrote: Hello, The latest news announced today: http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSTRE56C34T20090713 I think it's a good idea to even clearer show the main big benefits of using OpenOffice.org. Are we really mentioning our cutting-edge features and extensions clear enough? Per No I think we could do a much better job. Also we could also promote the increase performanced that has stigmatized OOo for so many years. Me too. I think Mozilla is doing a fantastic job. I would start an effort to make the why site much simpler. More like a guide. If you are a specific role this is covered on different more in-depth pages. John, I'd be happy to provide a sketch with my ideas for the why site. Per - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] MS fires back - new free MS Office expected next year
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Per Eriksson wrote: > Hello, > > The latest news announced today: > > http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSTRE56C34T20090713 > > I think it's a good idea to even clearer show the main big benefits of using > OpenOffice.org. > > Are we really mentioning our cutting-edge features and extensions clear > enough? > > Per No I think we could do a much better job. Also we could also promote the increase performanced that has stigmatized OOo for so many years. -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Español IM: j...@jabber.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
[marketing] MS fires back - new free MS Office expected next year
Hello, The latest news announced today: http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSTRE56C34T20090713 I think it's a good idea to even clearer show the main big benefits of using OpenOffice.org. Are we really mentioning our cutting-edge features and extensions clear enough? Per - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] open source meeting in Munich
Florian Hi Thanks. Regards. Yours truly Viktor > Hi Viktor, > >> Define, please, place and time for meeting at 24th July in Munchen. >> Regards. > > see here: > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:Floeff/OSSTreffenMuenchen > > July 24th, 5 pm, at Café Netzwerk (www.cafe-netzwerk.de) in Munich > > Florian > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] open source meeting in Munich
Hi Viktor, Define, please, place and time for meeting at 24th July in Munchen. Regards. see here: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:Floeff/OSSTreffenMuenchen July 24th, 5 pm, at Café Netzwerk (www.cafe-netzwerk.de) in Munich Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
