[marketing-dev] Re: Resigning as Marketing Project Lead
On 07.06.2011 22:05, Ian Lynch wrote: Yes, thanks Peter. Hope to see you around the net in future. I must try and get to visit China ;-) Thanks a lot Ian. I will definitely be around in the future. Visiting China seems to be a good plan. ;-) Same from me. I'm planning to take on Chinese language next year as part of a BA, with a bit of luck I might manage an exchange to one of the Chinese Univerities :) Peter Thanks On 7 June 2011 14:31, Elizabeth Matthis e.matt...@yahoo.de mailto:e.matt...@yahoo.de wrote: Dear Peter, You have been wonderful as leader in many capacities. Thank you for so much commitment over the years and for your continuing support of OOo. Best wishes for success in your new position! Liz p.s. I know I have been offline much of the time due to my own job issues, but when I caught this note I had to chime in with my thanks after all you have done! --- Peter Junge p...@openoffice.org mailto:p...@openoffice.org schrieb am Mo, 6.6.2011: Von: Peter Junge p...@openoffice.org mailto:p...@openoffice.org Betreff: [marketing-dev] Resigning as Marketing Project Lead An: dev@marketing dev@marketing.openoffice.org mailto:dev@marketing.openoffice.org, marcon mar...@marketing.openoffice.org mailto:mar...@marketing.openoffice.org Datum: Montag, 6. Juni, 2011 18:07 Uhr Hi everyone, I have to resign as OOo Marketing Project Lead because a new professional engagement I took several weeks ago will not leave me with enough time to appropriately care about my duties. Especially the stony road we're having ahead with the transition of the project to the Apache Software Foundation will require double efforts, hence it seems to be the right moment to make this cut. I will continue to contribute to OOo as time allows it and also continuing to moderate the mailing lists of the MP. Best regards, Peter -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org mailto:dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org mailto:sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org mailto:dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org mailto:sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org http://www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[marketing] New 3.3.0 ISO images
Images for the 3.3.0 release are now available on the /extended mirrors. URLs on the CD download page have been adjusted. Very few changes this time. The Autorun.inf file on the Windows cd has been modified, autorun should function correctly. Mac OSX PPC is the latest RC, since there are insufficient testing resources to QA the build. This is noted on the download page. -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [marketing] Linux.conf.au ?
Since I live in (well, a one hour train ride from) Brisbane, I'll be thinking of attending. And if someone better able than I cares to organise a stall, I'll most certainly be available to help man it. Unfortunately, I'm not very experienced in organizing such things, otherwise I'd be right in there. anyone who might think of doing so who would like a local person on the ground, feel free to give me a yell. Is anyone planning to attend Linux.conf.au in Brisbane, Australia next January? Specifically, is anyone planning to have a stall at the Open Day? I think Open Days (which are free for attendees) are an excellent way to reach current and potential users. I don't see anything listed for 2011 on the Events page of the wiki. --Jean -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [marketing] Result: Logo for the 10th anniversary - request for approval
On 10/06/2010 05:29 AM, Alex Fisher wrote: Secondly, Libre Office!? You might not understand the meaning. I do, both in the OSS sense *and* in the sense conveyed by the original tongue... You might not know how to pronounce it. I probably pronounce it better than you do. I speak French quite well, with less of an accent than most Anglophones. And because of that, I also read and comprehend at a reasonable level the other 3 major members of the Romance group (I've not so far found any need to try my hand at Romanian, the fifth member of the group). I also speak some German, which also enables me to read and make sense of most of the Germanic languages (I have not so far taken much notice of Icelandic). I even speak Finnish, and can read a some Hebrew and Greek. But both of those are solvable issues. No, only the first is. Branding is a black art. And? When a new brand is created, most of the money spent on naming it, goes to trademark searches, and determining if there are pre-existing negative, or obscene connotations to the proposed name, in languages that might be used where the new brand is to be marketed. I'm fully aware of all that. Your point is? would apply to virtually all other non-Romance languages. Any name that is chosen is going to have issues with people not being able to pronounce it, or not knowing what it means. Try this sentence: Sebeqabele gqi thapha bathi nguqo ngqothwane. So? If you learned to speak that language prior to age six, there is a 25% probability that you won't be able to pronounce that sentence correctly. If you didn't learn to speak that language prior to age six, you won't be able to pronounce it correctly. Maybe, maybe not. Some linguists suggest the age of 8 as the age at which pronunciations and stress patterns become set, actually. Could you spell i-ofisi ekhululekileyo correctly? [I'm fairly confident that you couldn't pronounce it correctly.] You might be surprised. That is what LibO would be called, if that language were used, rather than the Romance languages that are used. Ag, maybe somebody would give dem yankees a break, and use vula i-ofisi instead. They still couldn't pronounce it, but they might be able to spell it. The choice of Libre immediately gives me the impression that the whole thing People can learn new words. If they want to. The average end user in most cases probably just couldn't care less (or, for the USAians, could care less.) People can learn new meanings to existing words. see above... Governments have used Orwellian NewSpeak for decades, to make their crimes sound more palatable. I have trouble believing the figures put forward. Bear in mind that the Community Council is *not* the entire community. The Developers are *not* the entire community. They are *part* of the community, and *only* part of it. The Community Council represents the users. That is how it is supposed to be. But that also implies some sort of consultation, which is completely lacking here The Developers are the people that work on the product. Take a look at who registered the various LibreOffice domain names. And look at how fast those domain names were registered. That (the hasty registration of domain names) only serves to increase my level of suspicion relating to the motivation. [One reason why the formation of Document Foundation, and LibreOffice had to kept under wraps, was to minimize domain name cybersquatting.] There could (and should) still have been much more consultation outside the CC and devs than there was. Such could have been achieved without prematurely revealing the putative names favoured by the breakaways. To the vast majority of people who comprise the community, this announcement would have come as a complete shock. It would have been a shock only to those people who don't pay any attention to the Community Council list, or the developer list. Really? And what percentage of the community reads these lists? And which developer list(s) do you refer to? By July 2010, it was clear that OOo developers, community council, and users would declare independence from Oracle. The only issue was when. No, it was *not* clear. I've been following these sagas through several different media Once OpenIndiana was announced, it should have been obvious to everybody that OOo was the next community project that Oracle would lose. Not obvious. Several online sources reported the birth of that group. Those I read also speculated on the fate of other things within Oracle. OO.o was not mentioned by any of them. OTOH, Java was jonathon I still remain to be convinced that this is really what the majority of the community (which must include end-users and others who have any involvement with OO.o (the product), not just the developers and marketeers) truly wants to see happen. My personal concern is that this move
Re: [marketing] Result: Logo for the 10th anniversary - request for approval
Hi all. Pardon the top post, but for what I have to say, it's the best way to go. As things stand, I cannot support this move. From where I sit there are several things that make me extremely wary. The first (and major) sticking point is the name of the putative foundation. The Document Foundation? This smacks of a hijacking by the Open Document Foundation (ODF). I mean, just look at the names - there is only one word different, and I've noticed that at least some of those backing this move are (or were) heavily involved with the ODF. Think about it, and you may realize why I'm so sceptical about the foundation and its credentials. So for that reason, I would have extreme difficulty promoting it, unless I am presented with very strong evidence that the two foundations have nothing to do with each other. Secondly, Libre Office!? Come on! For a Francophone (and probably speakers of the other Romance languages) the name might mean something. But to an Anglophone, who is not into OSS, it conveys no meaning at all. The same would apply to virtually all other non-Romance languages. The choice of Libre immediately gives me the impression that the whole thing has been engineered by a group from the rat-bag fringe elements of OSS purists, those who want to see all proprietary software companies totally destroyed, and who refuse to concede that sometimes Open Source Software is *not* better (yes, maybe I am a heretic. So what?). It has been said that most of the OO.o community is backing this. I have trouble believing the figures put forward. Bear in mind that the Community Council is *not* the entire community. The Developers are *not* the entire community. They are *part* of the community, and *only* part of it. Couple that with the fact that no-one has publicly canvassed the views of the community prior to the announcement. Nothing has been said apart from the occasional rumblings of discontent from the same few people. To the vast majority of people who comprise the community, this announcement would have come as a complete shock. So, to recapitulate, until I am satisfied that this move is not in any way related to other non-OO.o groups, and until you can come up with a much better name (one which can be translated without loss of meaning, and which does not sound stupid to Joe Sixpack), Then I will not support the foundation in any way (of course, should Oracle come to the party, then there will be no problem). The idea of a foundation is one I support, but this does not come across as the right way to go about it. Hi Simon, Simon Brouwer wrote (05-10-10 09:33) Drew Jensen schreef: And just to be clear - why is it that you equate what is happening with going down the drain, is it only viable, your contribution if their is a corporate affiliation? I am not equating that, but I am concerned that a breakup of the cooperation that exists right now in OpenOffice.org between the Hamburg team of Oracle (which drives a substantial part of its development) and the community at large will seriously slow down the development and/or I had that concern too. And still to a certain, more and more limited, extend. But that only is for the intermediate time, during the transition. Look: [snippage] -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Re: (slightly) off topic: the old Sun ODF pluging
Can someone please take care of this annoying spam? Dear Uwe, We would like to publish our news on openoffice.org and to make 2-weeks prepayment. Let me know if we can start with 1-day trial test. -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[marketing] 3.2.1 ISO images available
The new CD ISO images for OO.o 3.2.1 have been uploaded to the extended mirrors. They are on at least one of the Australian mirrors, so have probably propagated to the rest of the extended network by now. Details of changes and download links are on the CD download page, http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/iso_download.html. -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [marketing] Fixing the Bouncer
Hi, It seems the Bouncer has not yet been fixed. Bouncer has been superseded by MirrorBrain. Your NL users should be directed to the correct mirror for their language from the main download link, which would render any links on your NL pages obsolete. If you still need to give a link on the localised pages, then a modified version of the URL on the main page would do. As we're into the RC phase for the 3.2.1 and we also have local requests for accurate information on downloads, we need to have it fixed as soon as possible. I understand Takashi Nakamoto was in charge of the Bouncer but perhaps other people can help him? As I said above, the bouncer is no longer in use. You could try contacting Peter Peter Pöml pe...@poeml.de directly for info on what format the link you need should take, or subscribe to either the d...@distribution or mirr...@distribution lists, where you will be able to be updated to changes etc. Thanks, Charles-H. Schulz. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [marketing] Another scam site
Hi all, I would very much like to know, if anyone is picking up this case. The original has been forwarded to the trademark people. However, unless the site actually infringes the trademark, there is probably little that Oracle legal can actually do. I know they'll talk to Google (and believe it or not, they have had some success with Google), but that may be the limit of what they can actually do. Otherwise I will try to take legal actions against it. That is probably easier said than done. You would need to talk to their domain host, rather than try going after the company itself, unless the company is in breach of some fair trading laws. Even then, although the location you got is in British territory, you may still not get anywhere. Please note that... Google is involved (payed adverts) Their attitude is usually We don't check/care. Ericsson in Stockholm (Sweden) is involved (SMS payment provider) Highly unlikely that any liability would be attached to them, however it is probably a good idea to approach them directly with your concerns (particularly if you know someone in their management). Even then, it is unlikely they can do anything, unless they are the actual network operator *and* provide the billing/payment facilities. http://www.ericsson.com/ If we take legal actions, we might get Google and Ericsson to stop their participation. Try an approach to Ericsson first (not legal action though). If they don't, or refuse to, do anything, then is the time for a threat of legal action. Legal action should be regarded as a last resort, IMO, and the threat of such should be left until all other avenues have been explored (IANAL, BTW). /Leif On 21-03-2010 22:54, Alex Fisher wrote: Hi, I don't know who is responsible for such issues, but here I gathered some information. Sun Legal had someone whose brief was specifically to follow up trademark issues. I haven't heard any differently, so I believe that this is still the case. I'll forward the original email to the relevant list. The .vg TLD is from the British Virgin Islands, which is beïng administered by (the in GB based) AdamsNames Ltd. (sponsored by Pinebrooks developments Ltd.). I found this information on the website of IANA: http://www.iana.org/domains/root/db/vg.html You can find the website of AdamsNames, including the whois information on that domain name, here: http://whois.adamsnames.tc/whois/whois.cgi?domain=freedownload.vg If you want to shut down the website, you should contact AdamsNames (the e-mail address shown on the first link) and not the owner of the website. You can use as an argument that the person is violating the (L)GPL licence, trademark licence and mislead people (Virus Free vs Free Virus). With kind regards, Ismaël Grammenidis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [marketing] Another scam site
Hi, I don't know who is responsible for such issues, but here I gathered some information. Sun Legal had someone whose brief was specifically to follow up trademark issues. I haven't heard any differently, so I believe that this is still the case. I'll forward the original email to the relevant list. The .vg TLD is from the British Virgin Islands, which is beïng administered by (the in GB based) AdamsNames Ltd. (sponsored by Pinebrooks developments Ltd.). I found this information on the website of IANA: http://www.iana.org/domains/root/db/vg.html You can find the website of AdamsNames, including the whois information on that domain name, here: http://whois.adamsnames.tc/whois/whois.cgi?domain=freedownload.vg If you want to shut down the website, you should contact AdamsNames (the e-mail address shown on the first link) and not the owner of the website. You can use as an argument that the person is violating the (L)GPL licence, trademark licence and mislead people (Virus Free vs Free Virus). With kind regards, Ismaël Grammenidis -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[marketing] ISO Images for 3.20
ISO images for OO.o 3.2.0 have been uploaded to the mirrors. Changes since the last release are: * The resources needed to perform proper Quality Assurance on the PowerPC Macintosh builds are not available. We have included the image for the fifth Release Candidate for PowerPC. Distributors are requested to include a note to the effect that this build has not passed through QA, and end users should take care using it. * Documentation is in its own folder on the Windows image only, and has been updated to the latest available guides at the time the image was composed. * Autostart functions correctly under Windows XP and Windows 7 Vista (I don't have a Windows 7 machine to test on). At this time, the images seem to have propagated to most of the extended mirrors in the US, UK and Europe. They have not yet made it to the Australian mirrors To the mirror admin - It is now time to remove all previous images when you get the chance. -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [marketing] Microsoft Word Sales Face U.S. Ban
This is actually old news. It first hit the online news sources in August. To get a better understanding of it, The Register has the current story at http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/22/microsoft_loses_word_patent_appeal/, which also contains links to the previous stories. You could also search Slashdot for previous stories. The current one is covered at http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/12/22/1936214/Microsoft-Ordered- To-Pay-290M-Stop-Selling-Word (or try this shortened one http://tinyurl.com/yenplnv) Also, if you search the archives of this mailing list, you'll find several posts about it there (check the posts for August 2009). The problem arose from the way MS was using the custom XML in their XML editor. The method was ruled to breach a patent held by a smallish company. At the time, there was some concern about the OO.o use of XML (as we all know, the ODF files are a set of compressed XML files). However, the patent owner has specifically stated that our implementation is not in contravention of their patent, so we're safe. Hi all, Hamish Bell wrote: Some high tech code :) To be honest, I'm not entirely honest ... perhaps someone knows a bit more than us? This page will do a better job of explaining what xml is than I can, http://www.w3.org/standards/xml/ . The law suit concerns a special form of xml that is used in Word. Most likely the DTDs that were used. Hope this helps. -- Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [marketing] Microsoft Word Sales Face U.S. Ban
This is actually old news. It first hit the online news sources in August. Actually it was earlier. There's this story at the Reg dated May 21st, 2009 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/21/microsoft_word_patent_damages/, which was the start of it. To get a better understanding of it, The Register has the current story at http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/22/microsoft_loses_word_patent_appeal /, which also contains links to the previous stories. You could also search Slashdot for previous stories. The current one is covered at http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/12/22/1936214/Microsoft-Ordered- To-Pay-290M-Stop-Selling-Word (or try this shortened one http://tinyurl.com/yenplnv) Also, if you search the archives of this mailing list, you'll find several posts about it there (check the posts for August 2009). The problem arose from the way MS was using the custom XML in their XML editor. The method was ruled to breach a patent held by a smallish company. At the time, there was some concern about the OO.o use of XML (as we all know, the ODF files are a set of compressed XML files). However, the patent owner has specifically stated that our implementation is not in contravention of their patent, so we're safe. Hi all, Hamish Bell wrote: Some high tech code :) To be honest, I'm not entirely honest ... perhaps someone knows a bit more than us? This page will do a better job of explaining what xml is than I can, http://www.w3.org/standards/xml/ . The law suit concerns a special form of xml that is used in Word. Most likely the DTDs that were used. Hope this helps. -- Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [marketing] OOo Pamphlet?
On Saturday 12 December 2009 06:20:44 Andy Brown wrote: John McCreesh wrote: I agree with Alexandro - I prefer the more graphical look of the Education Flyer. I think this particular flyer is good, although I think it could be improved by targeting the message better, and making more use of the available space. I also believe we should avoid proprietary software to create marketing materials, especially when the pdfs they create do not print correctly on the most common Linux pdf viewer :( The pamphlet/flyers/whatever you want to call them, should be done in Writer. That way anyone that needs them can make the appropriate changes for they locale and print them out. I agree with Alexandro, avoid Writer, use Draw it's much more suited to DTP work and much easier to edit later on. And I emphatically disagree with that. Draw is a PITA to work in. For DTP, Writer is so much better. You have many of the features of Pagemaker available in Writer, but as far as I can see not in Draw (for example, linked frames which can be several pages apart, just like in proper DTP software. There is more...). Chjeers GL As an early warning, for our 2010 marketing work I'll be looking to source some new brochures for conferences etc. There was some off-line discussion about this at OOoCon - one suggestion that went down well was to go 'mix and match'. So, we'd have a high quality, global, 'language neutral' folder - think http://www.folderprinting.co.uk/a4-folders.html - which we would use with inserts as appropriate: - for a small event - e.g. at a university - a local team could print out / photocopy black and white A4 inserts in the local language - for a large consumer event we could have one insert per 'application' (Writer, Calc, etc) printed full colour This may work for a large venue but what I am looking at is maybe 100 or 200 to send to university for an event they are having. The folder could also contain a product DVD if appropriate. Feedback welcomed - would this work? Thanks - John I have posters and disk ready to ship, it is the flyers that are holding me up. -- Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[marketing] Fwd: [cd-rom] Request
Forwarding this to the Marketing project, since they are the source of the materials you need. ---forwarded message--- Hello, I am coordinating a panel session regarding the use of open source in academic environments. Our panelists will include faculty members from English and Education, campus Information Technology professionals, and a representative from Ubuntu. We would like to have information and CDs about OpenOffice.org to distribute to interested students after the panel has concluded. Would your organization be able to send us any materials? Thank you for considering our request, and have a great day. Sincerely, Erin Dorney Erin Dorney Outreach Librarian Millersville University Library 717-872-3617 erin.dor...@millersville.edumailto:erin.dor...@millersville.edu Are you a Fan of the Millersville University Library? Find us on Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/pages/Millersville-PA/Millersville-Univer sity-Library/37366458921?ref=ts! -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[marketing] ISO Images for 3.1.1
ISO images for OO.o 3.1.1 have been uploaded to the mirrors. Changes since the last release are: * The CD images are now single platform. * The Windows® CD also contains some documentation. * The Linux CD contains packages for both Debian-derived and RPM-based package managers. Both are also available for both i586 and X86_64 architectures. * Both SPARC and Intel binaries are included on the Solaris CD. * The resources needed to perform proper Quality Assurance on the PowerPC Macintosh builds are not available. We have included the image for the second Release Candidate for PowerPC. Distributors are requested to include a note to the effect that this build has not passed through QA, and end users should take care using it. * Documentation is in its own folder on the Windows image only, and has been updated to the latest available guides at the time the image was composed. * Autostart functions correctly under Windows XP and Windows 7 RC (it has not been tested under Vista). At this time, the Solaris image has not finished propagating to the Extended mirrors, however all other images are available. It is expected that the Solaris image will have finished propagating by 08:00 UTC, Tuesday 13th October. -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Moving the OO.o Newsletter to HTML
Hi Kay Hi, as you may know, I am creating the OO.o newsletter in plain text this keeps the newsletter very slime and has the disadvantage that it looks rude and out dated. Since almost every other newsletter turned to the HTML format, it is time to move it to HTML. Although I personally dislike HTML email, I do agree that it is probably better for newsletters, so I'll give a reluctant +1. Please find attached draft version of newsletter. I am tried to keep it slim, simple and easily to edit since I do not use a newsletter creation tool. If somebody has experiences with newsletter tools, I am open for any suggestion. You might like to discuss it with the folk at Sun who do the regular newsletters for the various Sun groups and networks. I know, for example, that the Sun Australia/New Zealand newsletter is at the very least done with a regular template, and quite possibly uses a specific tool. Another possibility would be to see how producing a newsletter with OO.o and then exporting it to HTML (and possibly running it through Tidy afterwards) might work. However please review my draft and send me your opinion whether it makes sense to turn the OO.o newsletter to HTML Regards Kay -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Moving the OO.o Newsletter to HTML
Hi Kay (and Christine). Comments inline... Hi Christine, I do not consider the OO.o newsletter to be a marketplace. I am fully agree that an OO.o related market place would be valuable. For now we do have two pages which covering OO.o service and products http://bizdev.openoffice.org/consultants.html http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org_Solutions the design of the pages are a mess but the wiki concept has the advantage that every OO.o user can add their services to the page. due to the lack on resources there is currently no immediate plan to improve the pages. However back to the newsletter design . Creating an Text and HTML version of the newsletter would take too long due to the fact that I am creating the newsletter manually. If we decided to go with the Text format, we can discuss a new design. Most email programs can be set to automatically create email in mixed HTML/plain text format. I regularly get such newsletters as well as many regular emails. I know Kmail (my client) can be set to do this, and I suspect Evolution (or whatever is used under Gnome) also has that facility. Outlook most definitely does. My previous suggestion of using OO.o to create it probably has more merit than you might think initially. I notice that many of the email newsletters I receive started life as MS Word documents, as witnessed by the HTML headers. OO.o can only export to HTML 4 IIRC, but that is still sufficient for a basic newsletter. Christine mentioned a few objections to HTML. All I know is that, while I have my client set to prefer plain text, it only takes one click to display the formatted HTML, with one other click to load any external web-based graphics. I believe this would be the case with most current email clients (and yes, most of those newsletters I receive are essentially marketing efforts). Regards Kay On 08/17/09 15:50, Christine Louise Beems wrote: Hello Alex, Kay and all. I am new to this list (having been lurking for a week), learning to use OpenOffice (and enjoying it) and minimally conversant with OpenSource applications ideology, all of which I find very impressive. My competency is in creative development, media, marketing and communications, in light of which I offer a perspective on the OO.o newsletter: While I know that 'everyone' is going to html, I suggest that the marketplace is not yet sufficiently equipped to recieve html email. The attached screenshot shows what will most likely come up as a 'first look' in the majority of Inboxes... which in strictest promotional terms means that the space which *should* be devoted to your 'hook' (lead information that draws the reader deeper into the content) is being 'wasted' on a blank graphic. Also consider that a substantial number of the 'professional end users' (who are not employed in IT but are in many instances 'the decision makers') are minimally technology literate... which I do not say as a discredit but simply as diagnosis of facts so that the 'needs' of the marketplace are pragmatically assessed in terms of providing a legitimate service to the clients we seek to serve. In this light consider that what these professionals greatly value is 'consistency'. We (all of us) have a job to do and we want to do it efficiently, effectively and competently... and it drives us (the non-tech office worker) nutz when we have to spend half of our 'production time' learning the nuances of some new-and-improved 'upgrade' in order to do what we knew how to do perfectly last week... (smile). And finally, it might be worth considering that html formatting raises one's 'score' with the spam-gods, which can raise a newsletter's bounce-back rate considerably and cascade to blacklisting by various ISPs. Thus in terms of newsletter design I would suggest continuing to distribute in (creatively formatted) plain text but also offering a link to a nicely formatted PDF version and/or a link to a webpage where the html formatted version (optimally with photos/graphics) is posted. Anyway, all just my opinion and perhaps not of any use...??? In any event, I am enjoying using OpenOffice because (so far at least) the process of 'learning' has been highly intuitive, making for an easy transition from the closed source applications I have been using for all these many years. Thanks!!! ~Christine Beems - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom
Re: [marketing] Re: MS patent on XML documents ??
On 08/12/2009 02:53 AM, Alex Fisher wrote: Cor Nouws wrote: Hi Jürgen, Juergen Schmidt wrote (12-8-2009 7:25) The FLatXML filter is as example part of the SDK since years. I don't know exactly and have to check it but i assume it is part since the beginning of the SDK. [...] And that was when? May 2003 (see the old cvs repo) when i have checked in the filter in the SDK. OK, if my memory serves me right, that was about 2 years before MS applied for their patent (there needs to be a proper check, but IIRC they applied in 2005 or thereabouts). I'll see if I still have the PDF of the application somewhere. I believe the US Patent office has a bad habit of not checking for, or ignoring notifications of, prior art. From the reading I've done, the SOP is to grant the patent and *then* fight about prior art. ... The article from the OP contains a link to the MS patent: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PALLp =1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htmr=1f=Gl=50s1=7,571,169.PN.OS=PN/7,5 71,169RS=PN/7,571,169 OK I followed that and got a PDF of the entire document. At an initial reading, my reaction remains the same as when I first read it in 2003. The file format (and hence the method of interpreting) is *not* the same as either the older .sx* or the newer ODF files. In the case of OO.o, the file is a zip which contains a number of XML (and other) files. These files contain: The content. (content.xml) The styles (styles.xml) Settings (settings.xml) Meta info (meta.xml plus (in a subdirectory) manifest.xml) The file format in Microsoft's patent has all this info in a single XML file. A similar file would be obtained by running (under *nix) $ cat meta.xml styles.xml settings.xml content.xml newfile.xml It would need a little cleaning up, but essentially you would have a file with a format of the type specified in Microsoft's patent application. IANAL, but IMO this is sufficient difference for there to be no conflict. Of course, I'm looking at it from the POV of Australian law, and I might see if I can find a patent lawyer to look at it free (not likely but one never knows). As for the FlatXML files, that may be a problem, depending on what (and how much) of the needed info is incorporated into the file proper. Note the many Sun StarOffice XML references. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] MS patent on XML documents ??
Cor Nouws wrote: Hi Jürgen, Juergen Schmidt wrote (12-8-2009 7:25) The FLatXML filter is as example part of the SDK since years. I don't know exactly and have to check it but i assume it is part since the beginning of the SDK. [...] And that was when? May 2003 (see the old cvs repo) when i have checked in the filter in the SDK. OK, if my memory serves me right, that was about 2 years before MS applied for their patent (there needs to be a proper check, but IIRC they applied in 2005 or thereabouts). I'll see if I still have the PDF of the application somewhere. I believe the US Patent office has a bad habit of not checking for, or ignoring notifications of, prior art. From the reading I've done, the SOP is to grant the patent and *then* fight about prior art. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] MS patent on XML documents ??
Found the Australian application. It was lodged in Australia on 27th May, 2003. I'm going to investigate a little further about how one goes about notifying prior art (won't really help if the patent has been granted in the us, Australia will probably just rubber stamp it). Cor Nouws wrote: Hi Jürgen, Juergen Schmidt wrote (12-8-2009 7:25) The FLatXML filter is as example part of the SDK since years. I don't know exactly and have to check it but i assume it is part since the beginning of the SDK. [...] And that was when? May 2003 (see the old cvs repo) when i have checked in the filter in the SDK. OK, if my memory serves me right, that was about 2 years before MS applied for their patent (there needs to be a proper check, but IIRC they applied in 2005 or thereabouts). I'll see if I still have the PDF of the application somewhere. I believe the US Patent office has a bad habit of not checking for, or ignoring notifications of, prior art. From the reading I've done, the SOP is to grant the patent and *then* fight about prior art. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] MS patent on XML documents ??
See http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-329645.html?tag=nl.e539 Does something as prior art exist ?! :-) I took a look at the original MS application (downloaded the PDF from the Patent Office) several years ago. there was also quite a bit of discussion at the time on several lists. There appears one primary and major difference between the format described in the patent application and ODF. Whereas ODF is an archive of several files, the patent covers only files that are *single* flat XML files. In essence, it is aimed at what eventually became MS's OXML format. The question of prior art has not yet been addressed, and (as I understand the US laws) could not be addressed until the patent had been granted. The patent does need to be tested in court, but that will be a very expensive exercise. Malte Timmermann's remark about FlatXML is relevant, since if that format contains most of the info in a single flat XML file, there could be a problem. The important thing would be the date that the FlatXML format was first published. If that was prior to the MS application, then that would definitely constitute prior art, and would probably be sufficient to overturn the patent. OTOH, if it was first published after the date of the patent application -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] A so called tutorial about OpenOffice.org on Linux.com
2009/7/31 MÁTÉ Gergely f...@sportember.eu: Just found this: http://linux.com/learn/tutorials/31384-school-is-out-impress-is-in By the way I think that teaching people to save files in restricted formats is a bad thing in terms of marketing, as it virally markets those formats. Regards, Gergely Agreed. But if work environment are hostile to technology, schools are even more ruthless. In fact, schools do not *teach* students anything in the IT area. Rather, they *train* them to use specific software on specific hardware. I remember a friend learning word-processing - rather than teaching the principles of formatting, and making the students *think* about what they wanted to do, the entire format of all lessons revolved around teaching them Put your cursor here, select the menu and then select menu_item never any references to either toolbar icons or keyboard shortcuts. Such a procedure is not, by any stretch of the imagination (or the language) teaching. It is pure and simple training. ( I occasionally tutor seniors on computer subjects. My entire focus is on Think what you want to do, Read the screens and There is a keyboard shortcut for almost everything. Even though most are taught on MSO, I'll guarantee that my students will have little problem changing from Office XP to Office 2008 or to OO.o, unlike most students or workers.) -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Re: [qa-dev] upcoming release of PDF Import extension 1.0
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 16:48:10 Stefan Weigel wrote: Alex Fisher schrieb: How many would you like me to try? :) Did you try the ones from issue 94306? Not yet Please follow this link http://tinyurl.com/kuktuh (it´s a Google query). Out of the first 10 files listed I get: 1 document password protected 7 documents acceptable 1 document text displaced (outside of the page) 1 document graphics heavily displaced and wrong size Result of random sample: 20% failure. Is that ok for you? I've tried with (so far) 5 files which are on my machine. Results - I single page file, mainly graphic content, negligible text, OK 2 multi-page files, mixed text and graphics, Graphics and text overlap 1 very large file (~170 pages), multi-column text with heavy graphics usage (it's a catalogue for Holley carburettors), Column width approximately 19% too large, Graphics too large and covering parts of the text, other portions of text (containing different size fonts) also displaced and obscuring parts of text and graphics. I've also tried opening in Win XP and Win 7 RC (both running in a VM under VirtualBox). The files are only accessible through network drives, and OO.o hung on the larger files (20 minutes, still not loaded, and Win 7 reported OO.o not responding). So apart from the rendering problems (which I feel are unacceptable), there also seem to be problems with loading PDF from the network (also unacceptable). I think it's time to visit the issue and add my comments. Regards Stefan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Re: [qa-dev] upcoming release of PDF Import extension 1.0
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 09:29:39 Stefan Weigel wrote: Hello, Martin Hollmichel schrieb: ...and others are complaining that the import does not fulfil their expectations (in some cases). Perhaps we should do some random Google queries for PDF files and see how many of them are still readable/usable after being opened by OOo. What percentage would you consider as sufficient for calling the PDF import a mature feature? I've got around 200 PDF files on my machine. Some are fairly normal, some have forms fields that can be filled (provided you have a suitable version of Reader). How many would you like me to try? :) Stefan -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Telefonica in Spain might be breaking up OOo's LGPL and Trademark rules
On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 18:19:52 Agustin Gonzalez-Quel wrote: Hello, I am reading the page where Telef�nica offers this service and they are clearly breaking trademarks rules. For example, in the contract that they propose to customers, these are not allowed to copy the software (is it a property of Telefonica to prohibit software redistribution?). Also, in the contract Telefonica does not allow to create derivate works from the program, etc. My personal feeling is that a cease and desist letter is appropiate. Your original post was forwarded to the Trademark list. Louis Suarez-Potts is currently investigating, which implies that he'll be having a word with Sun's legal department. I should expect an appropriate response to this very shortly. Regards Agustin 2009/6/8 Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.org Hi as I comment a few months back, Telefonica, one of the biggest cell carriers are selling OpenOffice.org for 3 Euro a month. In return they get OOo with support, however after this post http://bandaancha.eu/articulo/6611/telefonica-restringe-version-openoffic e Is clear that Telefonica is not just modifying OOo but also breaking trademark rules. They took off .org from many of the dialogues. They also modify the installer and ask for a service key and they don't offer the source code and explicitly prohibits redistribution witch is a big negative for GPL OR LGPL. It seems the code is not delegated to components but is part of the actual build and can't be separated. I for then solicit a motion to investigate this deeper and determine if Telefonica is indeed breaking the license and send cease and dissist letter. http://www.telefonica.es/on/io/es/atencion/consultas_y_dudas/contratos/so luciones/openoffice/c_g_openoffice.pdf -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Espantilde;ol IM: j...@jabber.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] OpenOffice.org Version 3.1
I will add the OOo PR site and check it often. Never knew it was there. Has the ISO files been released as well? I can not find it on the mirror sites. Not yet. I still need to grab the files and build it (I'm over quota with my ISP, thanks to Win 7 RC and an update for Mandriva. Back to normal on the 16th, ISO about the 20th). Thanks for your time. Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Tue, 12 May 2009 18:49:27 -0500, Andy a...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote: We sent out the PR newsletter on OOo release around a week ago. So far many newschannels pick it up. I am not sure why you never got it. Usually on our frontpage we have also a note saying: OpenOffice.org 3.1 is born -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [marketing] OpenOffice.org Version 3.1
Thanks for the information. I will check the site then. I'll announce it on the cdrom@, distribution@ and announce@ lists when it's ready for download :) Alex Fisher wrote: Not yet. I still need to grab the files and build it (I'm over quota with my ISP, thanks to Win 7 RC and an update for Mandriva. Back to normal on the 16th, ISO about the 20th). -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [marketing] Re: [releases] What's new in 3.1?
On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 10:36 +, John McCreesh wrote: The usual New Features page is now available for 3.1 at http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/features/3.1/ Is it just my FF or does the improved screen appearance section have a split paragraph. It's showing up as Y then the next para starts with ou will It's not you *or* FF. Someone's put the p tag between the Y and the ou... Mike - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [marketing] Re: Information about OOo in Australia
On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 19:52 +, John McCreesh wrote: Following the recent request for help providing a record of OOo usage in Norway http://marketing.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?list=devby=threadfr om=2199442 we have been asked for the same information for Australia: to produce evidence that OpenOffice.org was a well known name in Australia, particularly among consumers, before 2008; or any data on the as the number of downloads or distribution of CD's of OpenOffice to users in Australia. Can anyone help please? Thanks - John The biggest impact of OpenOffice.org in Australia was probably the choice of the National Archives to use ODF as the standard format. They implemented conversion software that is now available as a framework for others to convert documents. This decision was actually made before ODF was developed. Initially the National Archives decided to use the original OO.o file format. When we adopted the ODF format, they moved to that. Another big implementer in terms of business, was with DeBortoli Wines. This was one of the strongest moves into the OpenOffice.org arena in business and after initial teething problems, have had a lot of success with it. I have personally dealt with a large range of businesses and organisations looking at using OpenOffice.org within there day to day procedures. Most are small business or non-profit organisations and are looking for alternatives that can help them do what they need without the larger overheads of similar commercial software. Just to let the list know, Jonathon is one of the primary movers in helping businesses change to OSS in Australia :) In terms of distribution of cd's etc, that I don't have many figures on, but I do know that it is given away on Software Freedom Day and many other open source events usually as part of the TheOpenCD project. APC Magazine regularly includes OO.o on its cover CD, usually one minor release behind. Their cover usually has the OO.o logo prominently displayed (at least, that was the situation last year - they might have contracted a case of M$ since :) ). They've been doing that since 1.x.x Regards Jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[marketing] Interesting article
The Register had this interesting article this morning. Appears an entire high school class failed an IT exam because the submitted the exam in MS Word format, but the examining board doesn't accept Word documents http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/08/cotelands_word/ see also http://dida.edexcel.org.uk/home/spb/toolkit/. Interestingly, ODF is not listed either. Perhaps Ian can open talks with them (if he hasn't already :) ). -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [marketing] Contact bizdev/developers WAS Re: [marketing] OpenOffice.org Community Mapping Project
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Per Eriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd really suggest that the information is available when not using JavaScript. At the same time, I really wish the information is dynamic. Having a long long long HTML table is as bad as requiring JS if not more. Alexandro, You might like to have a look at the source for the CD Distributor's page. I contains an enormous list, done as a series of tables. We use JS and div tags to enable filtering to only show a sub-set of the page. I'm guessing that this is something similar to what you envisage (still not dynamic, but it is definitely one way of doing it). An added advantage is that if JS is turned off in the browser, we don't have to have a non-JS page (the visitor has to wade through the entire page instead. The whole point of JS is that at least you can filter and provide information faster and more relevant. Talking to Louis and getting more developers is the solution if you ask me. I had email Louis about this topic but there really should be address on their development mailing lists. Otherwise what's the point of having a development mailing list on the first place. Thanks, Per Alexandro Colorado skrev: On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Per Eriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, What do you want listed on bizdev's www? Per To start we need an update table of bizdev with more acurate information. We also need this table to be more manageable hopefully an AJAX table. Finally we really need a better presentation of our partners even thought is hard to do this on collabnet infrastructure you can still import JSON objects and let Javascript handle the dynamic information. You can see an example that I did using Zoho DBCreator. http://bizdev.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=consultantsmsgNo=669 I also create an issue for the project Cor Nouws skrev: Hi Vikram, Vikram Gaur wrote (31-10-2008 3:41) What i found from openoffice.org site that group working behind is concentrated in one part of world. They are not willing to come out of that. From my point of view, it is fine that the core developers do not come out so much for discussion, because that will lower the concentration on the real work :-) But maybe you mean something else? Pls explain then. We have tried to contact so many time regarding adding ourself in directory for service provider/consultant/training provider for openoffice.org but response is zero. What should work, is mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and ask to be listed. I have understand however that the project is not so active, but still there should be some sort of reply. Have you tried that mail-address? Kindest regards, Cor - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [marketing] Three million
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:35:29 John McCreesh wrote: In the first week since we formally announced the availability of OpenOffice.org 3.0, we have recorded an astonishing three million downloads on the bouncer logs. This is a tribute not only to the developers who have created this great product, but to the tens of thousands of people in the community who have tested it, translated it, supported it, and told the world about it. A week of three million downloads - what a great start to the year of three! John p.s. further data on my blog http://www.mealldubh.org Then of course, there's the Bit Torrent downloads, and people like me who go directly to a mirror (my ISP has a mirror of OO.o that is only accessible by their users) 3 million is probably conservative. -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [marketing] [Marketing] Every new OOo document should have an OOo advert in its Comments field
On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 20:35:18 tongro wrote: Every new OOo document should have an OOo advert in its Comments field. Of course, the user should be able to blank it or change it, or opt for blank comments instead of adverts. How about it? Tony. Very bad idea. I don't think many folks would be particularly enamoured of the idea, and IMO such a thing has the potential to drive people away. FWIW, my default template has a footer which inserts the text Created by Alex Fisher, using OpenOffice.org 2.4.0 (the version string changes to suit whichever version I'm currently using of course). Promotion of O.o within documents is something which must be left to the individual user. -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[marketing] Why Google should support OpenOffice.org
Spotted this on Slashdot: http://tinyurl.com/6kkdub (this link is for the original article, not Slashdot) -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [Marketing] Re: Merchandising from Sun funds
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:40:40 Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, Here in the UK, *ANYTHING* that is imported from outside of the EU which has a value of more than (approx) £100 is taxable (whether it gets caught or not is another matter). yes, I fear you are right, and I did not consider this point. So, a solution would be to send one package to the US, one to Europe. Once it is been inside Europe, I guess it can be sent to other European countries without having to pay taxes anymore, because it's Europe. Better yet, since I expect that it would be a standard, silk screened design, just find one supplier in Europe (any of the EU countries), one in the Americas, and (preferably) one in Australia, and split the order between them. Then there is no worrying about import duties etc I'll talk to that point with Sun. Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ pgpCfqeIzAHyM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Marketing] WARNING: Do Not Install IBM Lotus Symphony (Beta)
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 09:51:17 Willy Sudiarto Raharjo wrote: IT HAS NO UNINSTALLER, SO THESE CHANGES CANNOT BE EASILY REVERSED! May i know your platform? Windows/Linux? Obviously Windows (he mentioned that it messed up his registry, which is a Windows, not Linux, thing). -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ pgpkSjsUomh5F.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Marketing] Fwd: Vietnam finally getting on the band wagon?
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:16:32 Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: Hi, On 2007-09-11, at 05:08 , Lars Noodén wrote: I've added Vietnam's government to our Major Deployments page: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ Major_OpenOffice.org_Deployments#Asia Thanks! -Lars Damon Anderson (on a non-OOo list) wrote: I have just read in the Saigon Times today that according to the Phap Luat newspaper starting in 2008 the Vietnamese government will be moving 20,000 computers from Microsoft Office to OpenOffice. I have been unable to find a website or reference to link to for Phap Luat. The Saigon Times note is here: http://saigontimes.com.vn/daily/BRIEFs.asp? loai=1Sobao=3022Ten=briefly%20today ...and this is due mainly to the efforts of one very dedicated lady in South Australia, who amongst other things is battling with a degenerative condition of the brain. lsp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ pgpTvg9MxjvSy.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Marketing] advertising open office
On Monday 11 December 2006 21:03, Peter Kabai wrote: Simplest way is to insert a footer which has something along the lines of what you want to say. The footer will be reproduced on each page, and w2ill be part of the final PDF... That's what I do with my resume. Hi! I am going to publish hundreds of pdf docs on the Internet. Is there a simple (automatic) way to put this document was produced by Open Office and your website on each file? Best wishes, -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Marketing] Fwd: dscc help
Hi folks. Just received this from a person in Tennessee. Anyone here from around that part of the world would like to contact him directly? -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: dscc help Date: Friday 01 December 2006 19:49 From: Jon Boon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've just recently discovered open office via ubuntu linux (which im also new to) but my school is bent on forcing kids to use microsoft word and powerpoint at home, when 90% of kids cant and dont have it. Is there any way i can get open office on disc so we can share it? My school is Dyersburg State Community College and my name is Jon Boon McNutt. -boon -- www.myspace.com/dsccdemocrats - The information contained in this e-mail, including any attachments, may contain proprietary, privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, use or dissemination of this message is strictly prohibited. --- -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp8JsTTySLOV.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Marketing] OOo product flyer update
On Thursday 16 November 2006 17:56, eric b wrote: [snip] @alex : It is up to you to provide us (big) patches to make it work on Mac OS X 10.2. That I'm afraid will never happen. While I've read a little about C and C++, the best I've ever done was a fairly useful program written in Turbo Pascal (and a very old version at that - no graphics, just text). My primary purpose for being on this list is to keep tabs on what is happening with the Mac port, so I know what to include on any CD image I create. Mind, if I could get my head around C, I'd certainly be participating in the development process I have tried, and e.g. the (maybe complete ) locale detection part has to be rewritten, since Apple decided to change everything without assume easy compatibility for several functions. Other non trivial point, dlopen part is not the same *at all* between 10.2 and 10.3... and I probably forgot some other code parts to rewrite. If I'm not wrong. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ pgp0dWt4p8nSv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Marketing] OOo product flyer update
On Thursday 16 November 2006 11:04, Graham wrote: On Wed, 2006-11-15 at 22:05 +0100, Bernhard Dippold wrote: - Mac specifications should contain minimal hardware necessities Actually minimum OS requirements (did anybody here subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I didn't find these informations on the porting pages.) Me... :) No need, if the machine will run OSX and X11 it will run OOo. Not quite... It must be running OS 10.3.9 as a bare minimum. Few (if any Mac owners would be running earlier versions, but if they were than there is no way that OO.o 2.x would run, and they'd be stuck with 1.1.x Hardware spec is a PC thing. I'm told by a Mac entusiast friend that Macs are above that. :) Not quite correct. I have a mac which will only run OS 10.2 or earlier. The reason is its hardware specs... :) - Are we allowed to use the Windows, Solaris and Java logos (I didn't take the time to search for licenses)? Yes ...for Solaris and Java. However, Windows is (almost) another story. If you do use the Windows logo, make absolutely certain that you include a fairly prominent copyright notice, and ensure that it specifically states that the logo *and* the word Windows (in the context) are copyright and registered trademarks of Microsoft. -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ pgpkCK8a1FhIP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Marketing] Attention! a company is selling openoffice
On Friday 15 September 2006 13:14, Aiet Kolkhi wrote: [snip] The information about what you're actually signing up for is buried in the fine print. Another bad practice :( perhaps writing and complaining to them could bring us something? About the only concession we were able to get through direct contact was a clarification of the licensing terms. Even that turned out to be a line at the bottom of the page (in a very small font size). There is at least one lawyer in the USA who is just waiting for someone in his State to get stung. Then he'll be all over them (as we say in Australia). Same applies in several other countries, where the way it is presented would definitely be a breach of the local fair trading laws. Aiet Kolkhi Georgian NL -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ pgpMeXOYWz4yF.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Marketing] Attention! a company is selling openoffice
On Thursday 14 September 2006 10:29, Mike Williams wrote: On Thursday 14 September 2006 04:31, Sharma, Ritesh wrote: Hi, To my knowlegde openoffice is freeware. But recently, I figured out that a company(www.thinkall.com) is selling openoffice to online customers. Though it is not a direct sell. So I just want you guys to be aware of this. Hi Ritesh, It says get this CD for Free. Sounds like they're giving it away. That's how it seems. However, if it is the company I'm thinking of, the process of ordering the CD actually takes you through a series of pages in which you sign up to receive a different CD every month. You also need to give them your credit card details. The information about what you're actually signing up for is buried in the fine print. We've had a discussion about them in several lists. I was asked whether I'd add them to the list of Distributors., but in the light of their (barely legal) antics, I've declined. Even if they do sell it, it's not illegal. Openoffice is clearly visible on the box, so they aren't even trying to flog it off as their own product. All in all, they appear to be doing a great job. Mike ps OO.o is not freeware, but open source. There is a difference :-) -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ pgp76QxzHZquY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Marketing] Right here, right now!
On Monday 04 September 2006 07:27, KAMI wrote: Charles Schulz írta: [snip] Yes you can I tried, but you can also try. I can send contacts for Ray Larabie and Cisco to. Templatezone question is more sad. I cannot reach anybody. I tried the TZ site, I ask for help via Webform. Sent mail to SUN. Also contacted to Alex, Scott Scarr, etc. Just to clarify the templates question. These converted SO 5.2 templates were first included in the 1.1 series CD I created. I have tried several times to contact the owners of the copyright (they are actually a joint copyright, Sun and Template Zone). I have sent several emails to TZ (who IIRC actually either bought the original owner or was bought by another company), and have never received even an acknowledgement that my request to use the templates had been received. This is still the situation, even after several years. I did consider sending an email, asking for permission and stating that, if no response was received within a set period (probably about three months) that such lack of response would be taken as consent for the templates to be used. I might still do that, although I'd like some advice as to the legality of such an approach. The templates in question are still included on the ISO image. Of course, any distributor is free to remove any or all of the templates should they consider that necessary. No one can help me... I spent so many time to resolve these issues. Larabie and Cisco thing is not so wrong, because endusres can use without limitation. They usually want to use, not alter at all... How can we use DLL from Microsoft? Can we change it? ;o) [snip] -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ pgp8bGwpgHazZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Marketing] openoffice apparel
On Friday 18 August 2006 21:07, Charles Schulz wrote: Hi, You also know that a native-lang project is language based, not country based. So why is there a Brazillian Portuguese project and a Portuguese Portuguese project? Because Brazilian and Portuguese are two very distinctly evolved forms of the same language, and came to be considered as two distinct languages. Which I find to be a little strange. I know and have worked with Brazilian and Portuguese. At one time I started a conversation relating to the differences in the two forms of Portuguese. Interestingly, neither of the people (one Brazilian, the other Portuguese) regarded their language as a different language. They agreed there were minor differences, primarily in the area of vocabulary. But they both agree that that is the only area of difference, and even then it is minor. They both regularly spoke together in Portuguese, had no major problems, even though they occasionally used different words. They at lest would disagree with your assertion above. Now, I have been involved in small ways with this project for quite a few years now (almost since the inception of the Marketing project in fact), and I quite well remember the way these two Portuguese projects started. The Brazilian group was the first (and the first Portuguese localization. At a later stage, the Portuguese from Portugal started to complain that the PT_BR localization was not good enough for them. Primary problem was vocabulary based and so the PT_PT NL project came into being Let us now consider the various dialects of the English language. US English differs from English English in several ways. Vocabulary is one area. However, there are also noticeable variations in spelling, grammar and even in syntax. Additionally, there are differences in deixis. US visitors to England would have the same problems as US visitors to Australia. If they simply use the same form of English that they are used to, they will be regularly misunderstood. I drove taxis for many years, and believe me it was often necessary to mentally translate what US tourists were telling me (I got fairly good at it after a while). I also had to think carefully and rephrase what I wanted to tel them, just to make certain that there was no misunderstanding. In short, the point I am trying to make is that the differences between US English and GB English (not to mention Australian English, which is still almost the same as the GB form) are roughly the same as the differences between the two forms of Portuguese. So in fact the argument for an English NL project is the same as the argument for the different Portuguese NL projects. US English *is* different, IMO in sufficient ways to make the request for an English NL group as valid as the request for a separate Portuguese (Brazilian) group. Now, could we just switch to some other topic? Anytime you want to. Thank you, Ian. Charles. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ pgpzJb7VCiOHP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Marketing] openoffice apparel
On Thursday 17 August 2006 22:54, Charles Schulz wrote: Hello, Ian Lynch a écrit : [snip] I would expect the NL lead to be a bit more sensitive in terms of race relations, I'm English, not Welsh and certainly not Scottish. You want to look at some of the politics involved in the Scottish and Welsh National Assemblies. OOo could learn from it. God forbid I should say anything similar about the French :-p Well, first of all, it's interesting to refer to the Welsh, the Scottish and the English as being of different *races*. They are, actually. The Welsh are Celts, the Scots are composed of Celts and Picts - three different :races in two different countries (then there are the Manx and Irish, who are Celts, not to mention the Bretons who are also Celts...). The English, OTOH are Germanic (Angle, Saxon, Dane/Viking), with a dash of Norman (who were Dane/Viking originally) and Brythonic (from whence the name Britain derives. Very interesting indeed. Second, the NLC is about representing every language except english, so I'm a bit covered up here, and third, I was just joking. I know Brits can bash the French ...and the Scots/Welsh also bash the English (so do us Australians, come to that - we refer to them as Poms). all the way and I'm sure you got plenty of that in store yourself... :-) Best, Charles. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ pgpjWgBTb0gZk.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Marketing] Open Office for MacBook
On Wednesday 09 August 2006 16:31, frank lockfeld wrote: I've been using Open Office with RedHat for some time, after starting with StarOffice. I now have a MacBook that needs Open Office. When will there be a version for the MacBook? There already is a version :) OpenOoffice.org 2.0.3 (X11) is available for both Mac architectures (Intel and PPC). It still requires X11, which (in the case of this writer) should be installed from the Apple CD, but great progress has been made. On problem must be mentioned - there is a serious bug in the Base Wizards (which seems to have been fixed for 2.0.4) The native (non-X11) is coming along well, and at the rate they're going I'd be expecting a beta release withing the year (less if they had more developers familiar with Apple's Carbon API). Seems they now have native menus working - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ pgpEcyhGtzpdX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Marketing] Selling the software for profit?
On Wednesday 09 August 2006 23:37, Steven Shelton wrote: Jod Burgess wrote: I read in the licensing that people can charge for warranty, support, indemnity or liability obligations, but does it include charging for the software itself? A company called Think All Publishing (www.thinkall.com) is selling this software for $24.95 under the guise of it being free. I was wondering if this is allowed. As I understand it, it is fine to sell the product itself. (That's one of the difference between open source and freeware software.) The OpenOffice.org organization (such as it is) does not, as far as I know, have any kind of official position on ThinkAll except to say that it does not endorse the company. There was a discussion off list about them. I stated my position on this company. Unless and until they change their tactics, they will not be listed on the Distributor's page. At the moment, I'm talking to the Australian consumer affairs watchdog, the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) My personal opinion is that they should be avoided. We have received numerous complaints about their practices on this list, Better Business Bureaus around the country have received similar complaints, there are scores of complaints about them everywhere you look on the internet, and I am aware of at least two potential plaintiffs who are considering lawsuits against the company for violations of consumer protection laws. The problem is not that they are selling the software; it's the deceptive way in which they do it: promoting the CDs as free and then recurring charging fees to people who do not return the CDs within 10 days, with the terms of this buried deep in the fine print. -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ pgp3ldsacbB8U.pgp Description: PGP signature
[Marketing] Review of OO.o
Interesting and positive review of OO.o 2.0 on an Australian website http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/index.php/taxid;1730094674;pid;1587;pt;1 or http://tinyurl.com/nm4bt (in case the first one gets wrapped/broken). Both links go to the same page -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ pgpuPGZ8ejH4b.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Marketing] becoming a mirror
On Monday 26 June 2006 5:23, Philip Matuskiewicz wrote: [Message was moderated, so CCing OP...] Hello, I have a question for the Marketing Dept. of Openoffice.org. I would like to become a mirror for your software, but I am confused of all that I have to do to become approved. Also I would like to know how much disk space and approx. bandwidth will be required to become a mirror, I do not know if I would be able to handle the demand. I will be willing to give ftp info out and a http link. Please let me know what you think. My server is in North Carolina. Hi. This is the wrong list to ask on actually. What you need to look at is the Mirrors part of the Distribution project. URL: http://distribution.openoffice.org/ for the Distribution Project, and http://distribution.openoffice.org/mirrors for the info you need about mirrors. The associated mailing list is [EMAIL PROTECTED]. You will need to subscribe to be able to read the replies. Philip Matuskiewicz Webmaster (Matthouse.us and phamousphil.com) YIM: morefood2001 AIM: Philmatu MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: This email is sent to you by a Matthouse Webmaster. If this email is spam, forward this email to the mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] We hate spam, and we know you do also! If you recieved this message out of error, please delete this email message immediatly! Thank you. -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ pgpbENVoWVAx7.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Marketing] 2.0.2 Install ISO available
On Sunday 14 May 2006 18:48, eric.bachard wrote: Hi Alex, Thank you very much for the information. Alex Fisher a écrit : After much hassle with the upload, I am pleased to announce that the ISO image for the 2.0.2 installers is now available. The major difference in the new image is that some unneeded items have been removed, resulting in a much smaller image (around 600 MB). Most notable of the removals has been the old Macintosh installer, and some additional Mac-specific files (fondu primarily). May you please describe more precisely what about Mac OS X port is on the CD ? - which version exactly of OpenOfficeorg for Mac OS X I've placed what I understand to be the current stable release. I'm aware there are a few bugs still being worked out (I watch the Porting list). The .dmg I have on the ISO is named OOo_2.0.0_MacosxPPC_install.dmg (i know there are newer ones, but this seemed to be the best one to use) - wich tools are remaining Only what is contained in the Mac image... Thank's in advance :-) Eric Bachard Co-lead OpenOffice.org Porting project -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/
Re: [Marketing] Fake???
On Tuesday 09 May 2006 13:40, Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: hi, On 2006-05-07, at 21:29 , KADObytes Administration wrote: Hi there! Sorry, but I do not know, who I would have to contact! I just bought a CD-Rom in the OfficeDepot in my location. It was called Web Page Creator and the developer is COSMI. I was surprised, when I installed the software, because I got nothing but OpenOffice.org in version 1.0.2. This is serious, as things go, and we can respond by de-listing the vendor from the CDROM page and generally warning buyers to beware and notify us if there are improprieties. Am cc'ing Alex Fisher, who can help. Alex: would you be able to de-list the company, if it is listed? Office Depot doesn't appear to be listed. I have a suspicion it is an actual chain of office supply stores. OTOH, Cosmi is listed. Checking their site, they are selling re-branded OO.o in various incarnations. None of their products are actually branded as OO.o. The only result I could get from searching their site for openoffice was an entry in their FAQ. so that leaves the question - de-list them, or modify the entry to indicate that they are selling a re-branded version? (It would appear that they are selling the latest version from their on-line store). As for the original person's problem I suspect that the shop they went to was selling very old stock. They should take it back and request a refund, since that version of OO.o produced very poor HTML (and that's being polite), hence is not suitable for the stated purpose (building websites). Best, Louis Kind regards Uwe Wresch - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/
Re: [Marketing] Fake???
On Tuesday 09 May 2006 21:05, Steven Shelton wrote: Alex Fisher wrote: Office Depot doesn't appear to be listed. I have a suspicion it is an actual chain of office supply stores. Oh, yeah. OfficeDepot is a huge chain in the U.S. I thought they probably were elsewhere in the world, too, but apparently not. :-) [snip] If we have them listed, maybe it would be appropriate to contact them, tell them what happened, and see if they would be willing to do something to make things right with the customer. Perhaps the best move at this point would be for either myself or Louis (in his official capacity as Community Manager) to forward the original email along with a request for comment to Cosmi (or perhaps a phone call if that's possible). If they refuse or simply don't respond, delisting might be appropriate. If a company is using underhanded tactics, they shouldn't be promoted by the OOo project. It taints everyone. From the comments in the next post in this thread, it sounds like we have the same situation as we had (have?) with Luxuriosity Office. -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/
Re: [Marketing] Fake???
On Tuesday 09 May 2006 23:09, Graham wrote: Alex Fisher wrote: While you're at it Alex, not sure if you got my mail of a couple of weeks ago. But could you pull the Blond Bloke PC support from the New Zealand list. The site has been dead for months now. Will be done (actually has been done, just need to upload the updated file)... Cheers GL -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/
Re: [Marketing] Typeface used in OOo logo and artwork?
On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 7:52, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Daniel, Daniel Carrera schrieb: Bernhard Dippold wrote: It's not linked from the main Art Project page, because I thought it to fit better to the Artwork To-Do-List. Why? If I want to know what font the OOo logo uses, the to-do list would be the *last* place I'd look. Really? I thought only attached to the Issue it was worse... ;-) But honestly: I asked myself, why should someone need to know the exact colors and fonts of the logo, icons and all that central stuff for OpenOffice.org artwork? Not so much with the font, but knowing the colour used is crucial for getting anything (such as brochures, CD inserts and labels) printed professionally. One needs to be able to tell the printer It's two colour, black and Pantone (whatever the number is), so the printer can set up correctly and give an accurate quote. Only to create new artwork, I supposed. And people creating artwork for OpenOffice.org I'd like to ask for contributing to our project. -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] CeBIT Australia
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:23, Daniel Carrera wrote: Alex Fisher wrote: Has the project considered exhibiting at CeBIT Australia. I note that SUN aren't listed. ... and never have been. I'd love to see an OO.o stand at CeBIT Australia, even as a part of a larger Sun stand. But Sun Australia have never shown any interest in exhibiting. In fact, Sun Australia don't seem interested in *any* such functions here. Their local marketing efforts seem to be a deafening silence. If someone was making a joint stand with OOo, would you attend? Unfortunately, it's a fair hike form Brisbane to Sydney (unless CeBIT is being held in Brisbane - highly unlikely). Much as I'd love to be there, the chances are very slim. OTOH, it is possible that Jonathon Coombes might be interested/able to attend, since he's only about 1 or 2 hours away... At the OD Fellowship we're discussing conferences to attend, and we've talked about CeBIT Australia. In brief, it looks like there's interest, but we don't have enough people. If you want to go, we could talk about a joint stand for OOo and ODF. It sounds like a good idea - and there are several from the East Cost apart from myself who might find it easier to get there. Jacqueline would have a better idea of who might be able to attend than I would Cheers, Daniel. -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/
Re: [Marketing] mindshare : presentation graphics vs ms-powerpoint
On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 2:42, Lars D. Noodén wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, Benjamin Horst wrote: ... On the other hand, it is such a huge battle and really makes us fight against the current. ... That mostly a disadvantage, I agree. However, people have been conditioned to glom onto new computer technology, so it could be to our advantage. This is probably even more so here in Australia in many areas, but particularly with technology... A brand name that is used too generically by too many people risks losing its legal trademark status. (Xerox, Kleenex and Band-Aid have fought hard against this.) Powerpoint must be close to this danger. intent... From my observations, powerpoint shot way across that line long ago. ... What if we start deliberately mis-using Microsoft's trademark and push hard to make powerpoint become a truly generic term? I'd say it's long since become a generic term and we have good chance of making it stick. If MS fights, then Impress gets free publicity. :) and any publicity is good publicity as someone said. What if we say that millions of people already do ... Actually that might be very helpful in getting across to people what it is that Impress actually does. Like I wrote, for many people presentation graphics and PowerPoint are the same thing and it can take 10 minutes of debate to get it to soak in that it is just one brand name for a class of tools. Kind of like the conversations one could get into in The South a while back -- yes, but what *kind* of Coke do you want? It may be possible to use both strategies at the same time. OOo Impress is a powerpoint program to make all kinds of presentations. Like all other presentaiton graphics programs it can ... Perhaps we could do it in stages. Something along the lines of initially saying Impress is a PowerPoint-type program... at first, and at a later stage dropping the '-type' and capitals so the statement becomes as you've suggested. Tat way, at least initially MS would not have the grounds for a suit, and late of course they would have a serious problem winning any suit, for the reasons you've suggested. Or something along that line. -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Keep the market open by keeping software patents out: http://europa.eu.int/comm/internal_market/indprop/patent/consultation_en.h tm Using mental judo, perhaps we have another alternative: What might the result be? Break their hold on the trademark (cost them a lot of money trying to defend it) and also communicate in a way that people will understand more easily. I think this path holds promise. Thanks, Ben On Friday, March 10, 2006, at 10:30AM, Lars D. Noodén [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many people confuse the general category presentation graphics with a specific brand and product line of software. It is a problem for us that too many people use one particular brand name instead of the general term presentation graphics. For many of these people, the brand name *is* presentation graphics and for them there is only one. Others know better, but contribute to the problem by not using the correct term. Newpapers make that mistake and I see even major magazines like Time and Newsweek make that mistake. It's a matter of marketing. If we can start insisting on editors saying presentation graphics when they mean presentation graphics, and not say MS PowerPoint (r) when they mean presentation graphics, we open the opportunity to bring in OOo and Impress. If we leave it be, we leave the market with one single product whether we want to or not. Mindshare is important Comments, thoughts, suggestions? -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Keep the market open by keeping software patents out: http://europa.eu.int/comm/internal_market/indprop/patent/consultation_e n.htm - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/
Re: [Marketing] Proposal for a new CD-ROM Distributors page
On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 2:45, Chad Smith wrote: Hi everyone, As a part of the recent page updates post, I've taken a look at several of the CD-ROM / ISO related pages. I've created a mock-up of what I'd like the new CD-ROM download page to look like. There are still a few problems with the page I made, and any advice on how to proceed would be helpful. Let me start by saying I have no idea who designed or maintains the CD-ROM distributors page, That would be (largely) me, with some assistance from Daniel (the Javascript among other things). and I do not have the rights or permissions to change it. This is just my suggestion - I can't make it happen without someone telling me how and/or giving me access rights to do so. Simplest way would be to download the page from CVS (you can do that without extra privileges), and create a diff with your proposal, which I could then apply and upload to a test page Here's my proposed site: http://ooocdrom.blogspot.com/ The changes are mostly cosmetic, but I think it cleans up the resulting look and feel quite a bit. There's not as much yelling at the user. No reds, no huge buttons that have nothing to do with buying a CD. Just simple instructions and a few links. :) I wasn't overly rapt in the buttons, but the general idea there was to make it easier for people to find the downloads and distributor info... Like I said, it still needs work. Like, for example, the drop-down menu doesn't work, but the drop down menu on the current site doesn't work (I just copied and pasted). The drop-down functions perfectly as far as I can see (just went there and checked). You do have Javascript enabled? and which browser did you use? Are you using a private CSS (the drop-down relies on a combination of JS and div tags/CSS). Ultimately, I'd like the hide the parts of the chart that don't matter to the user - either buy some sort of Javascript - That is precisely what the drop-down and JS is designed for. It works fine in Firefox and (last I checked) in Opera 5 minutes ago. or by breaking the chart onto a different page - or different pages. In this AJAX Web 2.0 world we live in - multiple pages seem a bit extreme. But having this huge gangly chart load every time someone visits the page also seems extreme. Perhaps if I changed the drop-down to have the default entry point to an empty div, the page would then come up with only the tops info section and the drop-down Not being a JS guru, I'm not sure if that would work, but it is certainly worth a try. Any pointers from JS experts is welcome (although perhaps this discussion should be moved to the CD ROM list). Advice is welcome. What do you think? It has possibilities (although I do want to keep the disclaimer in red. perhaps a smaller font would help). -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software! -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/
Re: [Marketing] things should change. vote of confidence and capability.
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:59, Daniel Carrera wrote: Charles-H.Schulz wrote: My memory must have shortcomings then. :-) What were your contributions? Well, you should remember the codenames because we talked about those recently. There's also QA, tech support (users list), IRC talks, website and documentation. ... and Distribution Daniel. -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] OOo Home Page deficiencies
On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 7:55, John McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 21:04 -0500, Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: [snip] no... Only I'll let john take care of these points. I certainly see the source of the confusion! I've lost the plot here, but I think Chad was complaining about the content of http://www.openoffice.org/product/reqts.html. MontyPython This is an ex-page - it is deceased! It should not be linked to! Hmmm. No, it's just sleeping... /MontyPython I'll personally wipe it from the memory of CVS (if I can work out how to) and stop Louis ever linking to it again... Use the release and remove commands... They don't actually completely remove stuff, just moves it to the Attic where it is no longer visible, but can if necessary be retrieved and resurrected (useful for disaster recovery...). John - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Marketing] 2.0.1 ISO now available.
This is now on the mirrors, and thanks to Mike is available through BitTorrent. There are two images, the first contains the 2.0.1 packages for Windows, Linux ans Solaris (both SPARC and x86), plus an outdated Mac installer (the 2.0.1 Mac installer still has a few important issues, which will be fixed for 2.0.2, at which stage it will be placed on the ISO), plus some selected documentation. The second contains extras, such as Open Clip Art, templates and additional documentation.Although there is an autorun.inf file, there is so far no installer for this. Anyone with the necesary skills who might care to create a suitable graphical installer for these extras is most welcome to do so. The only proviso is that the installer needs to function with all versions of Windows from Win 98 on. It is only necessary to download the first image, the second (extras) image is optional. The images can easily be identified, as the names used reflect the contents. To find them on the servers for FTP/HTTP download, go to your preferred mirror, navigate to the /contrib/iso/en/ directory. To download using BitTorrent, use these links: Installers: ooo_201_allplatforms_20051222_install.iso - http://borft.student.utwente.nl:6969/file?info_hash=%C5%2B%9F%5Ef%9B%AF%98%A2%3F%D5%11%15%86%87P%0A%9D%DC%9B Extras: ooo_201_allplatforms_20051222_extras.iso - http://borft.student.utwente.nl:6969/file?info_hash=%AF%3CM%11%8D%A3IA%98%C3.X%1F%92SP%92%3B%7C%7B German ISO: ooo_2.0.1_20051221_win_lin_mac_de.iso - http://borft.student.utwente.nl:6969/file?info_hash=%07%DB%40I%3D%08b%02%ECA%A2%23%3AX%BD%CB%F7M%A5%A2 The CD page will be updated shortly. -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Label documents with OOo
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 05:34, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Alexandro, *, Alexandro Colorado wrote: [...] This idea is to make a Watermark that will label the document as 'crated by OpenOffice.org'. I generally agree with the idea and the process is rather simple. I like this idea too, but I can't really imagine, where you want to put the watermark without affecting the text. Perhaps you could attach a template to an issue and we could start a thread on the art list? BTW: I'd rather say created with OpenOffice.org because with created by I would refer to the author - but I'm not a native speaker as well. What do you think? Much better English... FWIW, all my documents have a footer which contains (in addition to the page number) Created by Alex Fisher using OpenOffice.org 2.0. [...] Best regards Bernhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Testing required for new bittorrent site
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:00, Alexandro Colorado wrote: I am subscribe to their blogtorrent and havent got any feed at least for localization releases but the site makes it not easy to download by bittorrent. I actually found it exceptionally easy to get the torrents going - all 4 installers for 2.0, in fact. Much easier than the old page. On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:52:02 +0100, Deepankar Datta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I was wondering if everyone could take a look at the new test bittorrent site at http://distribution.openoffice.org/p2p/testsite/ This has a much simpler method of selecting downloads, and shows the torrents of additional languages. I hope to move the bittorrent site to this soon, but as 2.0 seems to be heavily downloaded using BitTorrent I am wanting some further testing before moving to this. So comments please to dev@distribution.openoffice.org Deepankar ___ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Demand OpenDocument! Sign the petition.
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 08:10, Steven Shelton wrote: Jean Hollis Weber wrote: Steven Shelton wrote: [snip] I'm surprised that some people (not you) seem to think that the purpose of this petition is to effect change at Microsoft. Of course it would be great if the petition had that effect. But surely marketing people know that the main value of a petition like this is to generate publicity ... in this case for OpenDocument. Naturally! They'll have to respond in some manner, but like I said, I think it'll be in an off-hand dismissive way. Not that it matters. The point is that we can demonstrate they're being disingenuous (which I can't spell). You did a pretty good job of guessing the correct spelling then -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Abiword and OpenDocument
On Sat, 8 Oct 2005 04:53, Steven Shelton wrote: Chad Smith wrote: What is your point? A Grammar Checker can still be used. The existance of a calculator does not preclude the need for basic math skills. The existance of a spell checker does not mean one needn't worry about learning to spell. A radio does not get rid of the need for reading ability. A computer does not mean that being able to hand write a letter or note will never be useful. A Grammar Checker is a tool - just like a word processor - and it's something that people use, people expect, and people want. If such a tool is able to be included in OpenOffice.org - it *should* be. Your complaint is unfounded and poitnless. Not really. I have yet to find a grammar checker that really worked worth anything. In fact, they seem to find almost nothing but false positives. I remember this being thrashed out on the users list several years back... Fact is, Grammar Checkers are the most useless and harmful tool ever invented. Babel Fish does a better job of translating between languages than any grammar checker will ever do of picking up grammatical errors. And grammar checkers lead to poor grammar IMHO, a grammar checker is a great idea for a third-party add-on, but not for the core. The is where they belong - an option for those who are too lazy to proof-read... -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Abiword and OpenDocument
On Sat, 8 Oct 2005 06:13, Chad Smith wrote: On 10/7/05, Alex Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 8 Oct 2005 04:53, Steven Shelton wrote: IMHO, a grammar checker is a great idea for a third-party add-on, but not for the core. The is where they belong - an option for those who are too lazy to proof-read... Thank you for making your declaration of The Way Things Ought To Be (TM). OOo and SO are one of the few office suites that don't have a Grammar Checker. Grammar check is not just for lazy or stupid people. It's a tool, just like everything else. You can use it for good, or evil. You can use it properly, or impromperly. If you don't use your head - you'll get bad results, just like with anything. Certainly have one available - but as an optional component only. something that requires a user to say Yes please, I want it as part of the installation. Not as an integral and unavoidable part. that is IMO a better way than installing it, and then requiring the user to disable it... Grammar check is good for several things, even to those who know grammar. 1) Check for simple mistakes that you overlook. 2) Running a back up to the spell checker (which can approve a word that is a real word, just not the right one.) 3) Making you say Is that really right? and if it is, then great. If not - change it. 4) Actually find errors that the author may or may not be aware of. Yes, it will find mistakes in a perfectly correct sentence - and it will overlook mistakes. But it's a tool - not a perfect one - but one that users expect. It should be included. It's 2005, grammar check has been around for over 10 years. Let's step into the 90s. -Chad Smith -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Re: FSF to fork OOo over java
On Wed, 11 May 2005 10:10, Adam Moore wrote: snip It replaced my Windows. Our organization uses no non-libre software. Nor will we. We will not sacrifice our freedom for some hotsy-totsy technology. If it's not libre it's useless. Why is it useless? What about open source software makes you more free than other software. Does other software not let you get your work done? To be completely honest, I don't really give a s%*# about either aspect. Provided software is not exorbitantly priced (value for money), and does not have draconian licensing terms (I can install/rte-install it on all my machines that I currently have, or may upgrade to in the future), is stable and reasonably easy to administer (which IMO rules out Windows), then I'll use it. I use Linux simply because of its stability and powerful administration tools. not simply because it is free (in either sense). For my uses, it is the most suitable. As an aside, I'll be upgrading one of my machines over the week-end. The old one will become a local file server and FTP/rsync server. It will initially run Linux, but will probably be changed to run one of the BSD systems, because for some of the usage I have in mind, BSD is more suitable than Linux. So you have no Macromedia Flash, Shockwave, Only the plugins. If I were running Windows, they would still not be on my box, since IMO they are way over-priced, and I don't really like the license terms. If I need a flash presentation, I have OO.o Impress adobe acrobat, Reader only. I have no need for anything else, since I have OO.o (or Scribus) for creating PDF documents or anything else like that on your computer? I would think it would make for a less enjoyable computing experience. What, having them on your machine would make for a less enjoyable experience? I guess worrying about the licenses and whether you could afford to pay for the next version /could/ detract I personally fail to understand the hoo-hah relating to Java. While it is not Open source, the licensing is one of the most liberal non-OSS ones around, it is free and freely available, the API is readily available and documented... It seems that certain elements in the FOSS movement are concerned that they are losing some of their clout and influence. From my POV, they are behaving like wannabe dictators. No matter how much OSS may owe them in respect of their contributions to where we are now, they do *not* have the right to dictate what technologies should or should not be used by Open source projects. Unfortunately, the most vocal of them (ESR in particular) are fast losing my sympathy. If the keep carrying on like rat-bag fringe loonies, they will end up becoming a joke, and lose most (if not all) of their credibility. -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Craig's List experiment
On Mon, 2 May 2005 12:51, Benjamin Horst wrote: Today I posted on Craig's List in New York URL? to advertise my services in OpenOffice.org Migrations and Planning. I wrote the following text: As author of The Tiny Guide to OpenOffice.org and a longtime [snip] -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] OpenDocument reader--as a Firefox extension
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 05:03, Daniel Carrera wrote: Benjamin Horst wrote: The MozillaZine forum ... it is already a feature of OOo 2.0 ... Tools Options Internet Mozilla Plug In ... But what does it do exactly? Click on Help and you'll see this: --//-- Start Help --//-- Mozilla/Netscape Plug-in I've just checked in Firefox preferences, and under Plugins I found a registered plug-in for all Star Office file types (from 5.x), OpenOffice and Open Document At least, the extensions are listed, and the dialog indicates that the plug-in is active. Next step I suppose is to try accessing a suitable document... -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] OpenDocument reader--as a Firefox extension
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 09:20, Alex Fisher wrote: On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 05:03, Daniel Carrera wrote: Benjamin Horst wrote: The MozillaZine forum ... it is already a feature of OOo 2.0 ... Tools Options Internet Mozilla Plug In ... But what does it do exactly? Click on Help and you'll see this: --//-- Start Help --//-- Mozilla/Netscape Plug-in I've just checked in Firefox preferences, and under Plugins I found a registered plug-in for all Star Office file types (from 5.x), OpenOffice and Open Document At least, the extensions are listed, and the dialog indicates that the plug-in is active. Next step I suppose is to try accessing a suitable document... Doesn't seem to work in either Opera or Firefox... :( -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] OOo and Java
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:56, Robert Vojta wrote: Erwin Tenhumberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Here are some reasons why I think using Java is o.k.: 1) the JRE is free (as in free beer) and is available for almost all desktop platforms Freely redistributeable? I'm creating CD's for the users, because they have low bandwidth. How can I sell (*) them the CD with a note - you have to download JRE too? If you'll not have JRE on your system, wizards, Base and ... will not work for you ... The licensing of Java permits the JRE to be distributed with any application which needs it. As a result, the standard CD image created by the OpenOffice.org CD ROM project includes the JRE installers for Windows and Linux (Solaris would probably have Java already, and JRE for Mac can only be obtained from Apple's website). (*) this is semi commercial activity, because the CD cost 2 USD, just covering costs I was trying to figure out if I can redistribute JRE, but no success. I read distribution mailing list archives, Googling, FAQ, license, distribution statements, ... and I'm still not 100% sure. Still 50:50 ... Is there anyone, any Sun employee, who can tell me if I can or if I can't redistribute JRE? I guess that lot of people don't know answer for this question ... The answer is Yes!. (We actually went through this on the CD list cdrom@distribution.openoffice.org, wondering, discussing, checking etc., and we asked Sun as well. Eventually, we got the answer that it was permitted to ship the JRE installers with OpenOffice.org...) I have nothing against Java, nice thing, but untill it's freely redistributeable with OpenOffice.org ... Wait no longer... s/JRE/Sun's JRE/g -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Distribution
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:08, Pete Damiano wrote: I was perusing eBay and noticed a seller auctioning Open Office 1.1 for $ [snip] Buy the way - He is using the Open Office Box picture and trademark . . . Is all this OK ?? Can you give me a link (send it directly to me if you prefer) and I'll check it out... Usually the answer is Yes, it is OK, but occasionally we find one who is NOT OK. When that happens, we can use eBay's system to stop them unless and until they do the right thing... peteD -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] logo follow up
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:50, Mike Williams wrote: On Thursday 24 March 2005 07:28, mougeotte wrote: sorry i was on the wrong page http://ooodocs.sourceforge.net/graphics/banners/index.html Re: one of the banners Am I wrong in thinking that the phrase for free is commonly used but incorrect? You're not wrong... :) For free is a sloppy colloquialism. The term free has traditionally been used as the short form of free of charge, and people have mistakenly assumed it to instead be a description. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd also never heard the term for free used prior to the mid-1980s (I was born in the 60s). Depended a little on the socio-economic climate in which you lived. Up until the time you mentioned, it was normally only ever heard in eh lowest socio-economic strata. Yes, I know this is a small point and one way or the other, only 0.01% of people would know the answer to this, but since there's a chance of it being incorrect, I think we should fix it. OpenOffice.org is freely available, and is entirely free charge, now and forever. Anyone know? Jean? Mike -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Re: [users] OpenOffice Filter for Word?
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:58, Chad Smith wrote: Hey Guy, G'day mate! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey, is there an oppenOffice filter i can send along with my documents so that MS users can read them? i know i can export to word, but i'd like to let everyone know i'm using OO! ;-) snipped Or, if you want a really simple and non-bandwidth hogging way of showing your OOo pride - just include a little signature line or something saying All documents contained in this email were made on OpenOffice.org - the free, open source, open format, cross-platform office suite, available at http://www.openoffice.org/; Or use my trick... set up a base template, put a footer in it which reads Created by your name us9ing OpenOffice.org version, and set it as thhe default template...:) (in mine the text is left aligned, with Page x of y on the right. Just a thought... -Chad Smith -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
