RE: [Marketing] HiPath OpenOffice
You do not have to file the trademark in the US. You can even use the symbol with out paying to file. Of course, you receive more protection by filing but as long as you claim the trademark first you own it. Rick Savoia Savoia Computer -Original Message- From: Sean W. O'Quin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:05 PM To: dev@marketing.openoffice.org Subject: RE: [Marketing] HiPath OpenOffice Although not a lawyer I am pretty sure that in most of the g8 countries, you can protect a trademark just by using the (trademark) symbol. -Original Message- From: Ian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 5:30 PM To: dev@marketing.openoffice.org Subject: Re: [Marketing] HiPath OpenOffice On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 22:17 +, jonathon wrote: > Ian wrote: > > > > I realize that trademark registration is expensive. > > Not that expensive. IIRC it was about £250 ($500) to trademark the > > For one country about £250. Multiply that by 244 and you are looking > at roughly 61,000 pounds. Not as much as I thought it would be. (I'm > quoting Wikipedia for the number of countries, so that figure is > probably wrong.) So just register it in the G8 countries to start with. That would make it very difficult for anyone to do much and it would only cost £2k. > > So in the whole scheme of things trademarking OOo in the G8 > countries is a negligible cost compared to the salaries of the > developers, community manager and > > Assuming that other countries charge roughly the same amount, you're > looking at the cost of three or four employees, for trademark > protection in every country of the world. But we don't really need to do it in every country to have a big effect. What we want is maximum effect for minimum cost. Even just registering in the USA would make a big difference. > [Note to self: construct list of countries, with amount to register > trademark, and process by which that can be done.] > > > Interesting idea. What name would be suitable? Freedom office, perhaps? > > or the People's Office? > > In the US, "People's Office" sounds like a communist plot. "Freedom > Office" might work, but suffers from association with "freedom fries" > > I'd like to retain the OOo designation, but not sure how. "Oooh" > might be a little too out of place for a corporate environment. I was > thinking of something in Esperanto, Interlingua, or one of the other > conlangs would be a good choice. > Perhaps "toko tomo pali". > (Wondering how Sonja Kisa would react if that were to be the name of > the project.) > > >It would also counter MS and its OOXML piracy of the name. > > That is part of the idea of worldwide trademark protection. Just the USA would have stopped MS if someone had had the foresight to do it. Quite amazing given all the paranoia with Sun legal in dealing with the OOo web site for example. Ian -- New QCA Accredited IT Qualifications www.theINGOTs.org You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] HiPath OpenOffice
Ian wrote: > Just the USA would have stopped MS if someone had had the foresight to do it. Sun owned the trademark; Sun failed to retain ownership of the trademark; Microsoft got to confuse people about OOo; xan jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Marketing] HiPath OpenOffice
Although not a lawyer I am pretty sure that in most of the g8 countries, you can protect a trademark just by using the (trademark) symbol. -Original Message- From: Ian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 5:30 PM To: dev@marketing.openoffice.org Subject: Re: [Marketing] HiPath OpenOffice On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 22:17 +, jonathon wrote: > Ian wrote: > > > > I realize that trademark registration is expensive. > > Not that expensive. IIRC it was about £250 ($500) to trademark the > > For one country about £250. Multiply that by 244 and you are looking > at roughly 61,000 pounds. Not as much as I thought it would be. (I'm > quoting Wikipedia for the number of countries, so that figure is > probably wrong.) So just register it in the G8 countries to start with. That would make it very difficult for anyone to do much and it would only cost £2k. > > So in the whole scheme of things trademarking OOo in the G8 > countries is a negligible cost compared to the salaries of the > developers, community manager and > > Assuming that other countries charge roughly the same amount, you're > looking at the cost of three or four employees, for trademark > protection in every country of the world. But we don't really need to do it in every country to have a big effect. What we want is maximum effect for minimum cost. Even just registering in the USA would make a big difference. > [Note to self: construct list of countries, with amount to register > trademark, and process by which that can be done.] > > > Interesting idea. What name would be suitable? Freedom office, perhaps? > > or the People's Office? > > In the US, "People's Office" sounds like a communist plot. "Freedom > Office" might work, but suffers from association with "freedom fries" > > I'd like to retain the OOo designation, but not sure how. "Oooh" > might be a little too out of place for a corporate environment. I was > thinking of something in Esperanto, Interlingua, or one of the other > conlangs would be a good choice. > Perhaps "toko tomo pali". > (Wondering how Sonja Kisa would react if that were to be the name of > the project.) > > >It would also counter MS and its OOXML piracy of the name. > > That is part of the idea of worldwide trademark protection. Just the USA would have stopped MS if someone had had the foresight to do it. Quite amazing given all the paranoia with Sun legal in dealing with the OOo web site for example. Ian -- New QCA Accredited IT Qualifications www.theINGOTs.org You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] HiPath OpenOffice
On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 22:17 +, jonathon wrote: > Ian wrote: > > > > I realize that trademark registration is expensive. > > Not that expensive. IIRC it was about £250 ($500) to trademark the > > For one country about £250. Multiply that by 244 and you are looking > at roughly 61,000 pounds. Not as much as I thought it would be. (I'm > quoting Wikipedia for the number of countries, so that figure is > probably wrong.) So just register it in the G8 countries to start with. That would make it very difficult for anyone to do much and it would only cost £2k. > > So in the whole scheme of things trademarking OOo in the G8 > countries is a negligible cost compared to the salaries of the > developers, community manager and > > Assuming that other countries charge roughly the same amount, you're > looking at the cost of three or four employees, for trademark > protection in every country of the world. But we don't really need to do it in every country to have a big effect. What we want is maximum effect for minimum cost. Even just registering in the USA would make a big difference. > [Note to self: construct list of countries, with amount to register > trademark, and process by which that can be done.] > > > Interesting idea. What name would be suitable? Freedom office, perhaps? > > or the People's Office? > > In the US, "People's Office" sounds like a communist plot. "Freedom > Office" might work, but suffers from association with "freedom fries" > > I'd like to retain the OOo designation, but not sure how. "Oooh" > might be a little too out of place for a corporate environment. I was > thinking of something in Esperanto, Interlingua, or one of the other > conlangs would be a good choice. > Perhaps "toko tomo pali". > (Wondering how Sonja Kisa would react if that were to be the name of > the project.) > > >It would also counter MS and its OOXML piracy of the name. > > That is part of the idea of worldwide trademark protection. Just the USA would have stopped MS if someone had had the foresight to do it. Quite amazing given all the paranoia with Sun legal in dealing with the OOo web site for example. Ian -- New QCA Accredited IT Qualifications www.theINGOTs.org You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] HiPath OpenOffice
Ian wrote: > > I realize that trademark registration is expensive. > Not that expensive. IIRC it was about £250 ($500) to trademark the For one country about £250. Multiply that by 244 and you are looking at roughly 61,000 pounds. Not as much as I thought it would be. (I'm quoting Wikipedia for the number of countries, so that figure is probably wrong.) > So in the whole scheme of things trademarking OOo in the G8 countries is a > negligible cost compared to the salaries of the developers, community manager > and Assuming that other countries charge roughly the same amount, you're looking at the cost of three or four employees, for trademark protection in every country of the world. [Note to self: construct list of countries, with amount to register trademark, and process by which that can be done.] > Interesting idea. What name would be suitable? Freedom office, perhaps? > or the People's Office? In the US, "People's Office" sounds like a communist plot. "Freedom Office" might work, but suffers from association with "freedom fries" I'd like to retain the OOo designation, but not sure how. "Oooh" might be a little too out of place for a corporate environment. I was thinking of something in Esperanto, Interlingua, or one of the other conlangs would be a good choice. Perhaps "toko tomo pali". (Wondering how Sonja Kisa would react if that were to be the name of the project.) >It would also counter MS and its OOXML piracy of the name. That is part of the idea of worldwide trademark protection. xan jonathon
Re: [Marketing] HiPath OpenOffice
Here, In India it is US $120 - Sharad Kukreti Alexandro Colorado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 17:22:42 -0500, Ian Lynch wrote: > On Sat, 2007-10-27 at 20:16 +, jonathon wrote: >> Sharud wrote: >> >> > As it is confusing with name "OpenOffice" , therefore we should raise >> this issue. >> >> It is too late now, but >> * "OpenOffice.org" should have been trademarked in at least every >> major country, prior to being released; >> * "OpenOffice" should have been trademarked in countries in which it >> was not already a trademark; >> * The OOo logos should have been trademarked, prior to release; >> >> I realize that trademark registration is expensive. > > Not that expensive. IIRC it was about £250 ($500) to trademark the > INGOTs and The Learning Machine in the UK. So in the whole scheme of > things trademarking OOo in the G8 countries is a negligible cost > compared to the salaries of the developers, community manager and web > site hosting etc. > >> Without, there >> will eventually come a point where OOo will be legally required >> to/forced to change names, because the usage by OOo is a trademark >> infringement. (What is the current number of countries where the OOo >> L10N team has to use a name other than OOo when distributing it, >> because of the trademark infringement.) >> >> The other option is to rename OOo now, and trademark the new name in >> at least the major countries of the world, prior to the release of the >> new version with the new name. > > Interesting idea. What name would be suitable? Freedom office, perhaps? > or the People's Office? It would also counter MS and its OOXML piracy of > the name. > > Ian In mexico cost also 500 dls. I might do a search just in case (80 dls). -- Alexandro Colorado CoLeader of OpenOffice.org ES http://es.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Marketing] HiPath OpenOffice
On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 17:22:42 -0500, Ian Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, 2007-10-27 at 20:16 +, jonathon wrote: Sharud wrote: > As it is confusing with name "OpenOffice" , therefore we should raise this issue. It is too late now, but * "OpenOffice.org" should have been trademarked in at least every major country, prior to being released; * "OpenOffice" should have been trademarked in countries in which it was not already a trademark; * The OOo logos should have been trademarked, prior to release; I realize that trademark registration is expensive. Not that expensive. IIRC it was about £250 ($500) to trademark the INGOTs and The Learning Machine in the UK. So in the whole scheme of things trademarking OOo in the G8 countries is a negligible cost compared to the salaries of the developers, community manager and web site hosting etc. Without, there will eventually come a point where OOo will be legally required to/forced to change names, because the usage by OOo is a trademark infringement. (What is the current number of countries where the OOo L10N team has to use a name other than OOo when distributing it, because of the trademark infringement.) The other option is to rename OOo now, and trademark the new name in at least the major countries of the world, prior to the release of the new version with the new name. Interesting idea. What name would be suitable? Freedom office, perhaps? or the People's Office? It would also counter MS and its OOXML piracy of the name. Ian In mexico cost also 500 dls. I might do a search just in case (80 dls). -- Alexandro Colorado CoLeader of OpenOffice.org ES http://es.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] HiPath OpenOffice
On Sat, 2007-10-27 at 20:16 +, jonathon wrote: > Sharud wrote: > > > As it is confusing with name "OpenOffice" , therefore we should raise this > > issue. > > It is too late now, but > * "OpenOffice.org" should have been trademarked in at least every > major country, prior to being released; > * "OpenOffice" should have been trademarked in countries in which it > was not already a trademark; > * The OOo logos should have been trademarked, prior to release; > > I realize that trademark registration is expensive. Not that expensive. IIRC it was about £250 ($500) to trademark the INGOTs and The Learning Machine in the UK. So in the whole scheme of things trademarking OOo in the G8 countries is a negligible cost compared to the salaries of the developers, community manager and web site hosting etc. > Without, there > will eventually come a point where OOo will be legally required > to/forced to change names, because the usage by OOo is a trademark > infringement. (What is the current number of countries where the OOo > L10N team has to use a name other than OOo when distributing it, > because of the trademark infringement.) > > The other option is to rename OOo now, and trademark the new name in > at least the major countries of the world, prior to the release of the > new version with the new name. Interesting idea. What name would be suitable? Freedom office, perhaps? or the People's Office? It would also counter MS and its OOXML piracy of the name. Ian -- New QCA Accredited IT Qualifications www.theINGOTs.org You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] HiPath OpenOffice
Sharud wrote: > As it is confusing with name "OpenOffice" , therefore we should raise this > issue. It is too late now, but * "OpenOffice.org" should have been trademarked in at least every major country, prior to being released; * "OpenOffice" should have been trademarked in countries in which it was not already a trademark; * The OOo logos should have been trademarked, prior to release; I realize that trademark registration is expensive. Without, there will eventually come a point where OOo will be legally required to/forced to change names, because the usage by OOo is a trademark infringement. (What is the current number of countries where the OOo L10N team has to use a name other than OOo when distributing it, because of the trademark infringement.) The other option is to rename OOo now, and trademark the new name in at least the major countries of the world, prior to the release of the new version with the new name. xan jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] HiPath OpenOffice
Hi, thanks for the pointer! I'm checking that. Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] HiPath OpenOffice
I have also gone into the http://enterprise.siemens.com/open and found that is not related to open source and open office project, only it is creating confusion in open source/free software community as they have used word open which is not even related to freedom/liberty for their solutions. As it is confusing with name OpenOffice , therefore we should raise this issue. Sharad Kukreti Alex Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 10:16:29 Alexandro Colorado wrote: > Hi anyone read about Siemens HiPath OpenOffice, I am still having a hard > time defining what it is and if it at any point has to do with > OpenOffice.org or not. > > www.siemens.co.uk/openoffice > > I would really want to get more input from this product that Siemen > released and if there could be any issues with the branding. Looking at their site, and remembering Siemens roots (they started out making PABX telephone systems), this seems to be a very fancy PIM and communications application. It seems to aim to integrate every communication medium that a business (specifically an SME) uses into a single desktop interface. It does not appear to be a productivity suite in the sense of MSO or OO.o (in fact, there appears to be no office suite - word-processor, spreadsheet etc. - component there at all. That would be in keeping with Siemens' traditional business. As for branding/copyright, that would be a matter for the legal people, although the fact they've run the words "open" and "office" together, as do we, could be an issue. -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 10:16:29 Alexandro Colorado wrote: > Hi anyone read about Siemens HiPath OpenOffice, I am still having a hard > time defining what it is and if it at any point has to do with > OpenOffice.org or not. > > www.siemens.co.uk/openoffice > > I would really want to get more input from this product that Siemen > released and if there could be any issues with the branding. Looking at their site, and remembering Siemens roots (they started out making PABX telephone systems), this seems to be a very fancy PIM and communications application. It seems to aim to integrate every communication medium that a business (specifically an SME) uses into a single desktop interface. It does not appear to be a productivity suite in the sense of MSO or OO.o (in fact, there appears to be no office suite - word-processor, spreadsheet etc. - component there at all. That would be in keeping with Siemens' traditional business. As for branding/copyright, that would be a matter for the legal people, although the fact they've run the words "open" and "office" together, as do we, could be an issue. -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [Marketing] HiPath OpenOffice
Alexandro, I Googled it and came up with this from their website: HiPath OpenOffice joins everything together, creating a seamless communications system with the programmes and applications that your staff use every day. It lets you combine your phone calls, voicemail boxes, conferencing, fax, and messaging into a single, unified solution Hope this helps Randy --- Alexandro Colorado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi anyone read about Siemens HiPath OpenOffice, I am > still having a hard > time defining what it is and if it at any point has > to do with > OpenOffice.org or not. > > www.siemens.co.uk/openoffice > > I would really want to get more input from this > product that Siemen > released and if there could be any issues with the > branding. > > -- > Alexandro Colorado > CoLeader of OpenOffice.org ES > http://es.openoffice.org > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] HiPath OpenOffice
Hi Alexander, The description suggests it is nothing whatsoever to do with Openoffice.org (notice they don't use the .org). Are HP the owner of "openoffice"? I know someone else owns it which is why the office suite has to have ".org" appended. Mike P.S. Have you thought of emailing HP UK? On Saturday 27 October 2007 10:16, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > Hi anyone read about Siemens HiPath OpenOffice, I am still having a hard > time defining what it is and if it at any point has to do with > OpenOffice.org or not. > > www.siemens.co.uk/openoffice > > I would really want to get more input from this product that Siemen > released and if there could be any issues with the branding. -- Better Access Pty Ltd Australian Dragon Media Centres Torquay, Victoria, Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.better-access.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Marketing] HiPath OpenOffice
Hi anyone read about Siemens HiPath OpenOffice, I am still having a hard time defining what it is and if it at any point has to do with OpenOffice.org or not. www.siemens.co.uk/openoffice I would really want to get more input from this product that Siemen released and if there could be any issues with the branding. -- Alexandro Colorado CoLeader of OpenOffice.org ES http://es.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
