Re: [marketing] Contact bizdev/developers WAS Re: [marketing] OpenOffice.org Community Mapping Project
Hi Alexandro, Have you considered something like: http://webplicity.net/flexigrid/ ? It has searching, re-sorting, showing/hiding columns, etc. And the data remains visible when JS is turned off. - Ivan. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Vikram, Vikram Gaur wrote (31-10-2008 3:41) What i found from openoffice.org site that group working behind is concentrated in one part of world. They are not willing to come out of that. From my point of view, it is fine that the core developers do not come out so much for discussion, because that will lower the concentration on the real work :-) But maybe you mean something else? Pls explain then. We have tried to contact so many time regarding adding ourself in directory for service provider/consultant/training provider for openoffice.org but response is zero. What should work, is mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and ask to be listed. I have understand however that the project is not so active, but still there should be some sort of reply. Have you tried that mail-address? Kindest regards, Cor -- Cor Nouws-nl.OpenOffice.org marketing contact = 2008: The Year of 3 = www.nieuwsteoffice.nl = - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, What do you want listed on bizdev's www? Per Cor Nouws skrev: Hi Vikram, Vikram Gaur wrote (31-10-2008 3:41) What i found from openoffice.org site that group working behind is concentrated in one part of world. They are not willing to come out of that. From my point of view, it is fine that the core developers do not come out so much for discussion, because that will lower the concentration on the real work :-) But maybe you mean something else? Pls explain then. We have tried to contact so many time regarding adding ourself in directory for service provider/consultant/training provider for openoffice.org but response is zero. What should work, is mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and ask to be listed. I have understand however that the project is not so active, but still there should be some sort of reply. Have you tried that mail-address? Kindest regards, Cor - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Alexandro, Alexandro Colorado wrote (2-11-2008 12:05) On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Per Eriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you want listed on bizdev's www? [...] Pls ... My mail was a reply to a question / complaint of Vikram. Your reply does not help to make this more clear. Cor Nouws skrev: Hi Vikram, [...] -- Cor Nouws-nl.OpenOffice.org marketing contact = 2008: The Year of 3 = www.nieuwsteoffice.nl = - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, i meant domain developers, i.e. members of the bizdev project with domain developer role. The context was clearified in a previous msg. Per -- originalmedd. -- Ämne: Re: [marketing] Contact bizdev/developers WAS Re: [marketing] OpenOffice.org Community Mapping Project Från: Ian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 2008-11-02 11:38 On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 12:15 +0100, Per Eriksson wrote: I'd really suggest that the information is available when not using JavaScript. Talking to Louis and getting more developers is the solution if you ask me. The problem is that there has been a shortage of developers ever since the project began and there are never likely to be enough. What needs to be considered are strategies to increase the developer resource other than keep saying we need more developers. What are the key factors that prevent developer participation? Here are a few. Perceived to be controlled by Sun Massive code base difficult to learn No progression routes for young people to learn to become developers Weak incentives to become a developer No great effort to keep volunteers that have any different views from the project controllers. There are probably many more. Until there is a systematic strategy to tackle these issues, I wouldn't expect to see any change in the developer situation any time soon. (Look at what happened with the Xara Linux project when Xara wanted to keep control and then expected volunteers to do what it wanted.) An openoffice.org foundation would likely make a significant strategic difference but this has been discussed ad nauseam and there is clearly no political will at Sun to make it so. Personally, having committed time and money to OOo in the past, this is a significant reason why I now devote little time to the project. ROI is too low and I can be far more effective in other aspects of the free software movement. I know many previously committed volunteers that feel the same way. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 14:01 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, i meant domain developers, i.e. members of the bizdev project with domain developer role. The context was clearified in a previous msg. Per Probably the same argument applies. If you want volunteers to commit their time, it has to be on their terms or at least terms attractive to them which really amounts to the same thing. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ian Lynch wrote: ...Here are a few. Perceived to be controlled by Sun Yes, however, keep in mind that much of that perception has been cultivated through several years of attacks from MS both directly and through proxy. Case in point recent attempts to inject tainted code, or the ODF=OOo=Sun meme that MSFTers were pounding a few years ago Massive code base difficult to learn Yes. Needs to become more modular, which may in turn address your outstanding wish for smaller, faster OOo No progression routes for young people to learn to become developers There are also high barriers to entry even to otherwise simple activities like testing / QA and localization. Weak incentives to become a developer No great effort to keep volunteers that have any different views from the project controllers. Yes, but that was also when the project was more or less in isolation. Nowadays, you do have to be concerned about hijacking of the codebase by funded volunteers Until there is a systematic strategy to tackle these issues... So yes, a strategy is needed. That's probably something that can be started at the OOo conference in Beijing. Personally, having committed time and money to OOo in the past, this is a significant reason why I now devote little time to the project. ROI is too low and I can be far more effective in other aspects of the free software movement. I know many previously committed volunteers that feel the same way. Same here. Regards -Lars - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I agree with Ian in this regard, don't expect to get developers when people trying to making contributions are not recieved. I made that JSON table in September and so forth there has been no change on the site. I also sent an email asking for permits on developing the site for bizdev and becoming a co-lead since Erwin is no longer in Sun. -- No Answer yet. Finally, if the problem is that the leadership is too busy, then the leadership should be change. Why do we keep dealing with bad leaders that stalled the project evolution? On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Ian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 12:15 +0100, Per Eriksson wrote: I'd really suggest that the information is available when not using JavaScript. Talking to Louis and getting more developers is the solution if you ask me. The problem is that there has been a shortage of developers ever since the project began and there are never likely to be enough. What needs to be considered are strategies to increase the developer resource other than keep saying we need more developers. What are the key factors that prevent developer participation? Here are a few. Perceived to be controlled by Sun Massive code base difficult to learn No progression routes for young people to learn to become developers Weak incentives to become a developer No great effort to keep volunteers that have any different views from the project controllers. There are probably many more. Until there is a systematic strategy to tackle these issues, I wouldn't expect to see any change in the developer situation any time soon. (Look at what happened with the Xara Linux project when Xara wanted to keep control and then expected volunteers to do what it wanted.) An openoffice.org foundation would likely make a significant strategic difference but this has been discussed ad nauseam and there is clearly no political will at Sun to make it so. Personally, having committed time and money to OOo in the past, this is a significant reason why I now devote little time to the project. ROI is too low and I can be far more effective in other aspects of the free software movement. I know many previously committed volunteers that feel the same way. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Espantilde;ol IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I was a bit unclear; I meant domain developers, which can change the content. JavaScript could make the information more easy to read (for people having JS). This is a big plus, but shouldn't be mandatory. Thanks, Per Alexandro Colorado skrev: On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Per Eriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd really suggest that the information is available when not using JavaScript. At the same time, I really wish the information is dynamic. Having a long long long HTML table is as bad as requiring JS if not more. The whole point of JS is that at least you can filter and provide information faster and more relevant. Talking to Louis and getting more developers is the solution if you ask me. I had email Louis about this topic but there really should be address on their development mailing lists. Otherwise what's the point of having a development mailing list on the first place. Thanks, Per Alexandro Colorado skrev: On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Per Eriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, What do you want listed on bizdev's www? Per To start we need an update table of bizdev with more acurate information. We also need this table to be more manageable hopefully an AJAX table. Finally we really need a better presentation of our partners even thought is hard to do this on collabnet infrastructure you can still import JSON objects and let Javascript handle the dynamic information. You can see an example that I did using Zoho DBCreator. http://bizdev.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=consultantsmsgNo=669 I also create an issue for the project Cor Nouws skrev: Hi Vikram, Vikram Gaur wrote (31-10-2008 3:41) What i found from openoffice.org site that group working behind is concentrated in one part of world. They are not willing to come out of that. From my point of view, it is fine that the core developers do not come out so much for discussion, because that will lower the concentration on the real work :-) But maybe you mean something else? Pls explain then. We have tried to contact so many time regarding adding ourself in directory for service provider/consultant/training provider for openoffice.org but response is zero. What should work, is mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and ask to be listed. I have understand however that the project is not so active, but still there should be some sort of reply. Have you tried that mail-address? Kindest regards, Cor - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Per Eriksson wrote: I'd really suggest that the information is available when not using JavaScript. +1 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 15:15 +0200, Lars Noodén wrote: Ian Lynch wrote: ...Here are a few. Perceived to be controlled by Sun Yes, however, keep in mind that much of that perception has been cultivated through several years of attacks from MS both directly and through proxy. Case in point recent attempts to inject tainted code, or the ODF=OOo=Sun meme that MSFTers were pounding a few years ago Massive code base difficult to learn Yes. Needs to become more modular, which may in turn address your outstanding wish for smaller, faster OOo No progression routes for young people to learn to become developers There are also high barriers to entry even to otherwise simple activities like testing / QA and localization. I agree with that. That is more the area where INGOTs are targeted as realistically the Gold INGOT projects are not likely to be coding - maybe later when we develop a Platinum INGOT and beyond but that is a much smaller market and is not sustainable on current resources. It takes time to move the way people work - starting sooner just means the outcome happens sooner. Weak incentives to become a developer No great effort to keep volunteers that have any different views from the project controllers. Yes, but that was also when the project was more or less in isolation. Nowadays, you do have to be concerned about hijacking of the codebase by funded volunteers Is that good or bad :-) Until there is a systematic strategy to tackle these issues... So yes, a strategy is needed. That's probably something that can be started at the OOo conference in Beijing. I hope so, I want OOo to succeed and get stronger. I'm in Malaysia next week at their Government Open Source conference that happens to clash with the OOo Conference. From what I read there is a refreshing difference in the government attitude to ICT there compared to many so called developed nations. Personally, having committed time and money to OOo in the past, this is a significant reason why I now devote little time to the project. ROI is too low and I can be far more effective in other aspects of the free software movement. I know many previously committed volunteers that feel the same way. Same here. Regards -Lars -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 12:15 +0100, Per Eriksson wrote: I'd really suggest that the information is available when not using JavaScript. Talking to Louis and getting more developers is the solution if you ask me. The problem is that there has been a shortage of developers ever since the project began and there are never likely to be enough. What needs to be considered are strategies to increase the developer resource other than keep saying we need more developers. What are the key factors that prevent developer participation? Here are a few. Perceived to be controlled by Sun Massive code base difficult to learn No progression routes for young people to learn to become developers Weak incentives to become a developer No great effort to keep volunteers that have any different views from the project controllers. There are probably many more. Until there is a systematic strategy to tackle these issues, I wouldn't expect to see any change in the developer situation any time soon. (Look at what happened with the Xara Linux project when Xara wanted to keep control and then expected volunteers to do what it wanted.) An openoffice.org foundation would likely make a significant strategic difference but this has been discussed ad nauseam and there is clearly no political will at Sun to make it so. Personally, having committed time and money to OOo in the past, this is a significant reason why I now devote little time to the project. ROI is too low and I can be far more effective in other aspects of the free software movement. I know many previously committed volunteers that feel the same way. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Per Eriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, What do you want listed on bizdev's www? Per To start we need an update table of bizdev with more acurate information. We also need this table to be more manageable hopefully an AJAX table. Finally we really need a better presentation of our partners even thought is hard to do this on collabnet infrastructure you can still import JSON objects and let Javascript handle the dynamic information. You can see an example that I did using Zoho DBCreator. http://bizdev.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=consultantsmsgNo=669 I also create an issue for the project Cor Nouws skrev: Hi Vikram, Vikram Gaur wrote (31-10-2008 3:41) What i found from openoffice.org site that group working behind is concentrated in one part of world. They are not willing to come out of that. From my point of view, it is fine that the core developers do not come out so much for discussion, because that will lower the concentration on the real work :-) But maybe you mean something else? Pls explain then. We have tried to contact so many time regarding adding ourself in directory for service provider/consultant/training provider for openoffice.org but response is zero. What should work, is mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and ask to be listed. I have understand however that the project is not so active, but still there should be some sort of reply. Have you tried that mail-address? Kindest regards, Cor - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Espantilde;ol IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Per Eriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd really suggest that the information is available when not using JavaScript. At the same time, I really wish the information is dynamic. Having a long long long HTML table is as bad as requiring JS if not more. The whole point of JS is that at least you can filter and provide information faster and more relevant. Talking to Louis and getting more developers is the solution if you ask me. I had email Louis about this topic but there really should be address on their development mailing lists. Otherwise what's the point of having a development mailing list on the first place. Thanks, Per Alexandro Colorado skrev: On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Per Eriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, What do you want listed on bizdev's www? Per To start we need an update table of bizdev with more acurate information. We also need this table to be more manageable hopefully an AJAX table. Finally we really need a better presentation of our partners even thought is hard to do this on collabnet infrastructure you can still import JSON objects and let Javascript handle the dynamic information. You can see an example that I did using Zoho DBCreator. http://bizdev.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=consultantsmsgNo=669 I also create an issue for the project Cor Nouws skrev: Hi Vikram, Vikram Gaur wrote (31-10-2008 3:41) What i found from openoffice.org site that group working behind is concentrated in one part of world. They are not willing to come out of that. From my point of view, it is fine that the core developers do not come out so much for discussion, because that will lower the concentration on the real work :-) But maybe you mean something else? Pls explain then. We have tried to contact so many time regarding adding ourself in directory for service provider/consultant/training provider for openoffice.org but response is zero. What should work, is mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and ask to be listed. I have understand however that the project is not so active, but still there should be some sort of reply. Have you tried that mail-address? Kindest regards, Cor - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Espantilde;ol IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'd really suggest that the information is available when not using JavaScript. Talking to Louis and getting more developers is the solution if you ask me. Thanks, Per Alexandro Colorado skrev: On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Per Eriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, What do you want listed on bizdev's www? Per To start we need an update table of bizdev with more acurate information. We also need this table to be more manageable hopefully an AJAX table. Finally we really need a better presentation of our partners even thought is hard to do this on collabnet infrastructure you can still import JSON objects and let Javascript handle the dynamic information. You can see an example that I did using Zoho DBCreator. http://bizdev.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=consultantsmsgNo=669 I also create an issue for the project Cor Nouws skrev: Hi Vikram, Vikram Gaur wrote (31-10-2008 3:41) What i found from openoffice.org site that group working behind is concentrated in one part of world. They are not willing to come out of that. From my point of view, it is fine that the core developers do not come out so much for discussion, because that will lower the concentration on the real work :-) But maybe you mean something else? Pls explain then. We have tried to contact so many time regarding adding ourself in directory for service provider/consultant/training provider for openoffice.org but response is zero. What should work, is mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and ask to be listed. I have understand however that the project is not so active, but still there should be some sort of reply. Have you tried that mail-address? Kindest regards, Cor - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ian Lynch wrote (2-11-2008 14:07) On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 14:01 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, i meant domain developers, i.e. members of the bizdev project with domain developer role. The context was clearified in a previous msg. Per Probably the same argument applies. If you want volunteers to commit their time, it has to be on their terms or at least terms attractive to them which really amounts to the same thing. Indeed. That's why I and so many others do it. Regards, Cor -- Cor Nouws-nl.OpenOffice.org marketing contact = 2008: The Year of 3 = www.nieuwsteoffice.nl = - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Per Eriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd really suggest that the information is available when not using JavaScript. At the same time, I really wish the information is dynamic. Having a long long long HTML table is as bad as requiring JS if not more. Alexandro, You might like to have a look at the source for the CD Distributor's page. I contains an enormous list, done as a series of tables. We use JS and div tags to enable filtering to only show a sub-set of the page. I'm guessing that this is something similar to what you envisage (still not dynamic, but it is definitely one way of doing it). An added advantage is that if JS is turned off in the browser, we don't have to have a non-JS page (the visitor has to wade through the entire page instead. The whole point of JS is that at least you can filter and provide information faster and more relevant. Talking to Louis and getting more developers is the solution if you ask me. I had email Louis about this topic but there really should be address on their development mailing lists. Otherwise what's the point of having a development mailing list on the first place. Thanks, Per Alexandro Colorado skrev: On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Per Eriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, What do you want listed on bizdev's www? Per To start we need an update table of bizdev with more acurate information. We also need this table to be more manageable hopefully an AJAX table. Finally we really need a better presentation of our partners even thought is hard to do this on collabnet infrastructure you can still import JSON objects and let Javascript handle the dynamic information. You can see an example that I did using Zoho DBCreator. http://bizdev.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=consultantsmsgNo=669 I also create an issue for the project Cor Nouws skrev: Hi Vikram, Vikram Gaur wrote (31-10-2008 3:41) What i found from openoffice.org site that group working behind is concentrated in one part of world. They are not willing to come out of that. From my point of view, it is fine that the core developers do not come out so much for discussion, because that will lower the concentration on the real work :-) But maybe you mean something else? Pls explain then. We have tried to contact so many time regarding adding ourself in directory for service provider/consultant/training provider for openoffice.org but response is zero. What should work, is mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and ask to be listed. I have understand however that the project is not so active, but still there should be some sort of reply. Have you tried that mail-address? Kindest regards, Cor - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
