Re: [marketing] Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg
This request has provoked some very interesting discussion on the dev@ list which I am sure Florian will take forward. After reading the email chain, my judgment is that the MP has not turned down this request, so I'll pass it on the the CC treasurer for processing. John -- John McCreesh - Marketing Project co-Lead - OpenOffice.org The 2010 office software of choice - http://why.openoffice.org On Wed, January 6, 2010 3:30 pm, Rosana Ardila Biela wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > I would like to ask for funding for a visual identity meeting in > Hamburg. Florian Effenberger and Bernhard Dippold will be in the Sun > office on the 12th and 13th January and we will discuss Bernhard's idea > of a new Branding project. As this is an important issue that touches a > lot of marketing subjects I would like to ask the marketing project for > funding. For their travel expenses we calculated 600 Euros. > > Thanks, > Rosana > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg
Hi Lars, all, I haven't been able to join this discussion earlier, so I'd like to focus on a few points about this specific meeting not already covered IMHO: Lars Nooden schrieb: Alexandro Colorado wrote: ... Is much cheaper to improve the [online] communication up to become good enough than to spend most of the budget on transportation and accommodations. It depends on the goals and the possibilities to achieve these goals. I agree very much with that and vote no, also. I'm not seeing a case for using the budget on transportation in this particular instance. Perhaps you have not been told clearly enough why some people including myself think that this meeting is important: Nobody here probably disagrees on the fact that OOo branding needs improvement. We don't have a consistent branding that covers the product as well as our website, marketing material, official documentation and so on. Please have a look at http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Design_Artwork_and_Branding_Project_Proposal We can't get such a branding, if we don't include all the relevant groups working in this area in our discussion and decisions, and one of the most relevant groups is the Design and Art Team at Sun. And as Sun is our trademark holder, they are very much involved in branding based on our trademarked logo. Even if phone calls and online meetings are possible to coordinate a collaborative work in such an (IMHO) important area, there are a few things physical meetings are superior to virtual ones: People learn to know their discussion partners much faster and more thoroughly than on mailing lists, phone or video calls, IRC and other online tools. Misunderstandings can easily be laid down (sometimes supported by a glass of wine or beer). For a common branding we need such knowledge about each other - otherwise we will not be able to work really together in this area. We don't have a lot of time to establish a strong branding: OOo has become too large, mighty and well-known in public for our competitor, so we can imagine that they try to fight us in every possible area. Without a professional and consistent branding it's easy for them to say "look at OOo, they are just kidding around". The second point is specific for a graphical based task: Every virtual white-board is less effective than going into a huddle over a real sheet of paper and sketching drafts and graphical ideas. I don't say that it is impossible to reach our goals without personal meetings (even if I think that not every Sun employee working on OOo is interested in online activities), but it will take much more time and might be less productive. Let's use this meeting as a means to get some of the online conferencing tools off the ground instead. Somewhere there must be a machine we can use to host Asterisk or another tool. This would take weeks (at least) to decide on the tools and have them up and running - this task should not wait for so long. (And I would have wasted an appreciable part of my holidays in vain...) Here we have an opportunity to reduce the distance between Sun and the volunteer driven part of our community in an area where this distance has been quite large in the past. A comparable step has been done by the UX project some time ago and it works quite well. Perhaps something similar is possible in marketing and branding too. Best regards Bernhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg
Cor Nouws wrote: > - there is a strong wish to explore and extend the possibility to hold > more virtual meetings; These would be real meetings, not virtual ones, just that they occur online and that communication is done electronically. Regardless of conferences, physically meetings, mailing lists, etc. being able to have real-time discussions is an asset in some cases. /Lars - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg
Florian Effenberger wrote (08-01-10 16:11) Hi Alexandro, I will +1 up it, but also request recordings (audio or video) on the meeting, so would be great to hold on the german for a minute don't get me wrong - this wasn't meant to be mean. :-) The marketing budget is not my money, it is for the marketing project, and therefore the majority of people should decide. I saw a "I agree very much with that and vote no, also" from Lars when he assumed Alexandro expressed a 'no'. Which Alexandro later explained was not the case. So, what I see: - there is a strong wish to explore and extend the possibility to hold more virtual meetings; - there are several wishes from people (including me) to be able to join a phone call for this meeting or see results afterwards; - there is little opposition to support the requested spending for this specific meeting. For the first: there is a quite some exchange done in this thread. Most important is that it will be kept warm and brought to usable results. Is already someone keeping track of that or willing and able to drive it? Maybe this is more important to Lars than a 'no' to the planned meeting... Lars? Regards, Cor -- >> Your office 2010 software: the new OpenOffice.org << Cor Nouws - nl.OpenOffice.org marketing contact - Community Council member - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg
Hi Alexandro, I will +1 up it, but also request recordings (audio or video) on the meeting, so would be great to hold on the german for a minute don't get me wrong - this wasn't meant to be mean. :-) The marketing budget is not my money, it is for the marketing project, and therefore the majority of people should decide. I'm fine if most of you don't want to fund this trip (even if my own opinion of the meetings importance is rather different), but for the marketing budget holders it is important to have some opinions. If a topic is discussed this controversial, some more feedback would be good so we can see what people really want. :-) I surely wouldn't want to decide with two people saying no and three saying yes... Simple Smartphone with a record application should be enough. I think recording does not make much sense, I rather plan to have a summary of the meeting, the thoughts and the decisions online later on. I think that fits everyones needs. At least I hope :-) Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg
I will +1 up it, but also request recordings (audio or video) on the meeting, so would be great to hold on the german for a minute Simple Smartphone with a record application should be enough. On 1/8/10, Florian Effenberger wrote: > Hi, > > seems that this topic is quite controversial... :-) > > Luckily, I didn't book anything yet. As time runs out for travel > arrangements, I'd love to hear some more opinions on it from the folks > on this list. Should the majority be against the trip/funding, I will > not attend, as I can't cover the costs on my own (and attending > virtually for two days is not possible for me). I need to be sure of > funding before I book. > > Not attending would be sad, but as the decisions on the marketing budget > should be done following the majority of volunteers, I am happy to > accept such a vote. If I counted correctly, we only had about five > marketing volunteers commenting, so some more feedback would be nice, > for the budget holders to see the majority's opinion. > > Florian > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org > > -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Español IM: j...@jabber.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg
Hi, seems that this topic is quite controversial... :-) Luckily, I didn't book anything yet. As time runs out for travel arrangements, I'd love to hear some more opinions on it from the folks on this list. Should the majority be against the trip/funding, I will not attend, as I can't cover the costs on my own (and attending virtually for two days is not possible for me). I need to be sure of funding before I book. Not attending would be sad, but as the decisions on the marketing budget should be done following the majority of volunteers, I am happy to accept such a vote. If I counted correctly, we only had about five marketing volunteers commenting, so some more feedback would be nice, for the budget holders to see the majority's opinion. Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg
Hi, That would be dial-in conferencing not generic voice conferencing. SIP, or another open standard, is what is needed to ensure open access to the conferencing. you know how very well SIP *not* works behind NAT or firewalls? SIP probably is the worst way of phone conferencing at all, although it is open and widely used. Everyone who tried to set up two SIP phones behind a router knows what I mean... Whatever is used, it must be available for anyone on any platform and in any country to use, free-of-charge. Dial-in only works for a small subset. I think that's something beyond our scope. I've talk to Sun, and they told me we can *not* use their conferencing system when not Sun employee is involved, and that having our own world-wide system is *very* expensive. We can try to improve things and find solutions, but I doubt it will be very easy to have the above in the next months. Anyways, this is slightly off-topic at the moment. :-) Let's see how the first marketing call goes and what we can improve afterwards. I still think that a face to face meeting for some things, including the upcoming branding meeting, is quite important, and thus would like to ask for your support. Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: Re: [marketing] Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg
Florian, FYI it doesn't matter. Skype can call the conferencing system as well. It is true that Skype is FREE and can provide the ability to do video conferencing. Just my $0.02, Gian On Fri 08/01/10 14:12 , Florian Effenberger flo...@openoffice.org sent: > Hi Lars, > > >> - People who had been invited to this meeting and > can not attend are>> able to join via voice conferencing and/or > Skype.> > > Skype =! VoIP. One of the marketing or development > goals for 2010,> should be a voice infrastructure to go with the > mailing list> infrastructure. > > we have found a quite good conferencing service that provides dial-in in > various countries and will be used for the upcoming marketing call. It > does not cover all countries, but it's a good start. If there's a need > for more, we can develop something. > > > We are missing: > > > > voice conferencing > > No - see the upcoming marketing call I plan to have regularly. ;-) And > also see this wiki page that has been online for some years and > announced on the lists, barely noticed by anyone: > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Phone_Conferences > >> ...and surely would not be able to have two days > of meetings from>> home without being disturbed... > > > > A well-known phenomenon. > > Right. And if we have two days packed with meetings, for me the best way > to do this is face to face, especially when it's about branding. > > > Without a context, there is not much of a way to > even guess if that is> reasonable. Do the tasks proposed warrant a > physical meeting? > I think they do. If we have a lot to show and see (branding), face to > face is better than virtually, I think. > > > Skype is not an option for many people. Regular > SIP-based VoIP is, at> least technically, available. HOWTOs are missing, > though. I know> someone working on voice conferencing, but will > have to check whether> the results will be useful for OOo. > > See the above wiki page, and wait for the first marketing call. :-) > > > Nothing ever is. However, having a standing > VoIP-conferencing system> for OOo would at least reduce the need for travel > or increase the> results from some online meetings. > > A voice conferencing system (I prefer normal phone network to VoIP, but > that's a technical detail) is a good thing, yes, and we are working on > it and testing it out. However, it won't be an option for all meetings. > > For the upcoming meeting in Hamburg, I seek for your assistance in our > funding request. I think everyone involved knows very well that we have > to take care of the carbon footprint as well as of the budget, and I > hope that you trust the involved people enough to believ in their > estimation on which form of meeting might be the best one. > > For me, Hamburg is nearly half a day (!) of travelling, and I surely > don't do this for fun, so I hope everyone here puts that much trust in > me to recognize how important a face to face meeting in this matter is. > > Florian > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.orgfor > additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg
Florian Effenberger wrote: > Hi Lars, > >>> - People who had been invited to this meeting and can not attend are >>> able to join via voice conferencing and/or Skype. >> >> Skype =! VoIP. One of the marketing or development goals for 2010, >> should be a voice infrastructure to go with the mailing list >> infrastructure. > > we have found a quite good conferencing service that provides dial-in in > various countries and will be used for the upcoming marketing call. It > does not cover all countries, but it's a good start. If there's a need > for more, we can develop something. > >> We are missing: >> >> voice conferencing > > No - see the upcoming marketing call I plan to have regularly. ;-) That would be dial-in conferencing not generic voice conferencing. SIP, or another open standard, is what is needed to ensure open access to the conferencing. > And also see this wiki page that has been online for some years and > announced on the lists, barely noticed by anyone: > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Phone_Conferences Noticed but not used. It's a nice try, but as you mention, it does not cover most countries. Additionally, it costs to participate. Many regions have a per-minute service charge even for local phone usage. The "penny gap" is not just psychological, even with a budget a poorly managed employer can have deadly amounts of paperwork. However, the link to dimdim at the bottom is a better idea. Whatever is used, it must be available for anyone on any platform and in any country to use, free-of-charge. Dial-in only works for a small subset. /Lars - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg
Hi Lars, - People who had been invited to this meeting and can not attend are able to join via voice conferencing and/or Skype. Skype =! VoIP. One of the marketing or development goals for 2010, should be a voice infrastructure to go with the mailing list infrastructure. we have found a quite good conferencing service that provides dial-in in various countries and will be used for the upcoming marketing call. It does not cover all countries, but it's a good start. If there's a need for more, we can develop something. We are missing: voice conferencing No - see the upcoming marketing call I plan to have regularly. ;-) And also see this wiki page that has been online for some years and announced on the lists, barely noticed by anyone: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Phone_Conferences ...and surely would not be able to have two days of meetings from home without being disturbed... A well-known phenomenon. Right. And if we have two days packed with meetings, for me the best way to do this is face to face, especially when it's about branding. Without a context, there is not much of a way to even guess if that is reasonable. Do the tasks proposed warrant a physical meeting? I think they do. If we have a lot to show and see (branding), face to face is better than virtually, I think. Skype is not an option for many people. Regular SIP-based VoIP is, at least technically, available. HOWTOs are missing, though. I know someone working on voice conferencing, but will have to check whether the results will be useful for OOo. See the above wiki page, and wait for the first marketing call. :-) Nothing ever is. However, having a standing VoIP-conferencing system for OOo would at least reduce the need for travel or increase the results from some online meetings. A voice conferencing system (I prefer normal phone network to VoIP, but that's a technical detail) is a good thing, yes, and we are working on it and testing it out. However, it won't be an option for all meetings. For the upcoming meeting in Hamburg, I seek for your assistance in our funding request. I think everyone involved knows very well that we have to take care of the carbon footprint as well as of the budget, and I hope that you trust the involved people enough to believ in their estimation on which form of meeting might be the best one. For me, Hamburg is nearly half a day (!) of travelling, and I surely don't do this for fun, so I hope everyone here puts that much trust in me to recognize how important a face to face meeting in this matter is. Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg
Florian Effenberger wrote: > Hello, > >>> Is much cheaper to improve the [online] communication up to >>> become good enough than to spend most of the budget on >>> transportation and accommodations. >> >> I agree very much with that and vote no, also. I'm not seeing a >> case for using the budget on transportation in this particular >> instance. In general, fuel prices increase almost daily and air >> travel is embroiled in a lot of trouble, to put it mildly, so a >> better solution is needed for the long term. > > I see your points, but I disagree out of three reasons: > > - People who had been invited to this meeting and can not attend are > able to join via voice conferencing and/or Skype. Skype =! VoIP. One of the marketing or development goals for 2010, should be a voice infrastructure to go with the mailing list infrastructure. > - It is much better to meet "in person" than only in the virtual > world. We see this every year at OOoCon. If meeting virtually is > enough, why have there been so many requests on phone conferences? > Mailing lists would do as well, or IRC chat -- but more and more > people want to interact better, "live". VoIP != mailing lists. We have several modes of communication: mailing lists chat physical meetings We are missing: voice conferencing electronic whiteboards > ...and surely would not be able to have two days of meetings from > home without being disturbed... A well-known phenomenon. > ...especially when the agenda is planned for two days. ... Without a context, there is not much of a way to even guess if that is reasonable. Do the tasks proposed warrant a physical meeting? >> Let's use this meeting as a means to get some of the online >> conferencing tools off the ground instead. Somewhere there must be >> a machine we can use to host Asterisk or another tool. > > If you remember, we had been planning a bit since the end of 2009, > but feedback has been, well, silent. Most people told me it even was > impossible for them to join via Skype, Skype is not an option for many people. Regular SIP-based VoIP is, at least technically, available. HOWTOs are missing, though. I know someone working on voice conferencing, but will have to check whether the results will be useful for OOo. > so no thinking about video at all. Video is less important than a whiteboard. The resolution of the cameras is not good enough for showing drawings. > As you can see, we try to establish virtual communication (e.g. with > the planned marketing phone conference), There is no merit in virtual communications. Real communications can be our target, whether using electronic, online or other means. > but again, it's not the right solution for all things. Nothing ever is. However, having a standing VoIP-conferencing system for OOo would at least reduce the need for travel or increase the results from some online meetings. /Lars - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg
On 1/8/10 1:46 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, Is much cheaper to improve the [online] communication up to become good enough than to spend most of the budget on transportation and accommodations. I agree very much with that and vote no, also. I'm not seeing a case for using the budget on transportation in this particular instance. In general, fuel prices increase almost daily and air travel is embroiled in a lot of trouble, to put it mildly, so a better solution is needed for the long term. I see your points, but I disagree out of three reasons: - People who had been invited to this meeting and can not attend are able to join via voice conferencing and/or Skype. - It is much better to meet "in person" than only in the virtual world. We see this every year at OOoCon. If meeting virtually is enough, why have there been so many requests on phone conferences? Mailing lists would do as well, or IRC chat -- but more and more people want to interact better, "live". - Don't expect everyone to be able to take part in virtual meetings. In my case, the infrastructure would be available, but I have no own office and surely would not be able to have two days of meetings from home without being disturbed. Meeting at one place, with no one disturbing around, is much better for some cases, especially when the agenda is planned for two days. I agree that we should be reasonable on how often and where to meet, and for which reasons. But again, given that the agenda is planned for two days, I think it is worth the trip and will be much more effective than a virtual meeting (which I could not attend that length). Let's use this meeting as a means to get some of the online conferencing tools off the ground instead. Somewhere there must be a machine we can use to host Asterisk or another tool. If you remember, we had been planning a bit since the end of 2009, but feedback has been, well, silent. Most people told me it even was impossible for them to join via Skype, so no thinking about video at all. As you can see, we try to establish virtual communication (e.g. with the planned marketing phone conference), but again, it's not the right solution for all things. mmh, we can't stop our current work and can wait on a working infra structure for virtual meetings etc.. I know the mechanisms and tools are in place but we don't have enough experience. Alexandros suggestion is a good one and we should take this into account (which is already the case) and should think about more virtual meetings in the future but they can probably not replace f2f meetings completely. From my point of view this meeting is important and should take place as a f2f meeting. +1 from me for the funding Juergen Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg
Hello, Is much cheaper to improve the [online] communication up to become good enough than to spend most of the budget on transportation and accommodations. I agree very much with that and vote no, also. I'm not seeing a case for using the budget on transportation in this particular instance. In general, fuel prices increase almost daily and air travel is embroiled in a lot of trouble, to put it mildly, so a better solution is needed for the long term. I see your points, but I disagree out of three reasons: - People who had been invited to this meeting and can not attend are able to join via voice conferencing and/or Skype. - It is much better to meet "in person" than only in the virtual world. We see this every year at OOoCon. If meeting virtually is enough, why have there been so many requests on phone conferences? Mailing lists would do as well, or IRC chat -- but more and more people want to interact better, "live". - Don't expect everyone to be able to take part in virtual meetings. In my case, the infrastructure would be available, but I have no own office and surely would not be able to have two days of meetings from home without being disturbed. Meeting at one place, with no one disturbing around, is much better for some cases, especially when the agenda is planned for two days. I agree that we should be reasonable on how often and where to meet, and for which reasons. But again, given that the agenda is planned for two days, I think it is worth the trip and will be much more effective than a virtual meeting (which I could not attend that length). Let's use this meeting as a means to get some of the online conferencing tools off the ground instead. Somewhere there must be a machine we can use to host Asterisk or another tool. If you remember, we had been planning a bit since the end of 2009, but feedback has been, well, silent. Most people told me it even was impossible for them to join via Skype, so no thinking about video at all. As you can see, we try to establish virtual communication (e.g. with the planned marketing phone conference), but again, it's not the right solution for all things. Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg
Alexandro Colorado wrote: > ... > Is much cheaper to improve the [online] communication up to become good > enough than to spend most of the budget on transportation and > accommodations. I agree very much with that and vote no, also. I'm not seeing a case for using the budget on transportation in this particular instance. In general, fuel prices increase almost daily and air travel is embroiled in a lot of trouble, to put it mildly, so a better solution is needed for the long term. Let's use this meeting as a means to get some of the online conferencing tools off the ground instead. Somewhere there must be a machine we can use to host Asterisk or another tool. /Lars - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg
By the way I am not trying to block this meeting, but maybe we should think more seriously about this for the future meetups. On 1/8/10, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > I dont want to be the party pooper but as a person who deal with many > people everyday on different continents I would rather have a tinychat > on that topic and buy everyone a good webcam/mic, save on fair and > also expand this meeting to a series of meetings that we can keep a > schedule on. Oh and also be recorded and archived for future > references. > > Is much cheaper to improve the virtual communication up to become good > enough than to spend most of the budget on transportation and > accommodations. Maybe face to face is more efficient, but also is more > scarce, what I mean is that 1 meeting might make up for 10 meetings in > the virtual world, but 10 meetings on the virtual world is much > cheaper and easy for more people than 1 real life meeting. > > For example I am very interested in this topic since I am involved > with developing products that will carry the OOo brand such as the OOo > Certification at the same time I am involved wiht the Art project and > WebDev project so is important for me to be a part of these meetings, > but it will take me around 1500 euros just to attend a 2 hour meeting. > It will take me probably 50 euros to attend a virtual meeting with > style. > > > On 1/8/10, Volker Merschmann wrote: >> Hi, >> >> 2010/1/6 Rosana Ardila Biela : >>> I would like to ask for funding for a visual identity meeting in >>> Hamburg. >>> Florian Effenberger and Bernhard Dippold will be in the Sun office on >>> the >>> 12th and 13th January and we will discuss Bernhard's idea of a new >>> Branding >>> project. As this is an important issue that touches a lot of marketing >>> subjects I would like to ask the marketing project for funding. For >>> their >>> travel expenses we calculated 600 Euros. >>> >> I would recommend the funding. >> The meeting will help to close the gap between the visual designers at >> Sun and the people in the art/marketing project. >> >> Volker >> >> >> -- >> ++ Volker Merschmann - Content Developer OpenOffice.org >> ++ Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows -- http://de.openoffice.org/ >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org >> >> > > > -- > Alexandro Colorado > OpenOffice.org Español > IM: j...@jabber.org > -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Español IM: j...@jabber.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg
I dont want to be the party pooper but as a person who deal with many people everyday on different continents I would rather have a tinychat on that topic and buy everyone a good webcam/mic, save on fair and also expand this meeting to a series of meetings that we can keep a schedule on. Oh and also be recorded and archived for future references. Is much cheaper to improve the virtual communication up to become good enough than to spend most of the budget on transportation and accommodations. Maybe face to face is more efficient, but also is more scarce, what I mean is that 1 meeting might make up for 10 meetings in the virtual world, but 10 meetings on the virtual world is much cheaper and easy for more people than 1 real life meeting. For example I am very interested in this topic since I am involved with developing products that will carry the OOo brand such as the OOo Certification at the same time I am involved wiht the Art project and WebDev project so is important for me to be a part of these meetings, but it will take me around 1500 euros just to attend a 2 hour meeting. It will take me probably 50 euros to attend a virtual meeting with style. On 1/8/10, Volker Merschmann wrote: > Hi, > > 2010/1/6 Rosana Ardila Biela : >> I would like to ask for funding for a visual identity meeting in Hamburg. >> Florian Effenberger and Bernhard Dippold will be in the Sun office on the >> 12th and 13th January and we will discuss Bernhard's idea of a new >> Branding >> project. As this is an important issue that touches a lot of marketing >> subjects I would like to ask the marketing project for funding. For their >> travel expenses we calculated 600 Euros. >> > I would recommend the funding. > The meeting will help to close the gap between the visual designers at > Sun and the people in the art/marketing project. > > Volker > > > -- > ++ Volker Merschmann - Content Developer OpenOffice.org > ++ Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows -- http://de.openoffice.org/ > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org > > -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Español IM: j...@jabber.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg
Hi, 2010/1/6 Rosana Ardila Biela : > I would like to ask for funding for a visual identity meeting in Hamburg. > Florian Effenberger and Bernhard Dippold will be in the Sun office on the > 12th and 13th January and we will discuss Bernhard's idea of a new Branding > project. As this is an important issue that touches a lot of marketing > subjects I would like to ask the marketing project for funding. For their > travel expenses we calculated 600 Euros. > I would recommend the funding. The meeting will help to close the gap between the visual designers at Sun and the people in the art/marketing project. Volker -- ++ Volker Merschmann - Content Developer OpenOffice.org ++ Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows -- http://de.openoffice.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg
Hi Rosana, Rosana Ardila Biela wrote (06-01-10 16:30) I would like to ask for funding for a visual identity meeting in Hamburg. Florian Effenberger and Bernhard Dippold will be in the Sun office on the 12th and 13th January and we will discuss Bernhard's idea of a new Branding project. As this is an important issue that touches a lot of marketing subjects I would like to ask the marketing project for funding. For their travel expenses we calculated 600 Euros. Looks a very useful and effective investment to me > +1 Cor -- >> Your office 2010 software: the new OpenOffice.org << Cor Nouws - nl.OpenOffice.org marketing contact - Community Council member - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
[marketing] Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg
Hi Everybody, I would like to ask for funding for a visual identity meeting in Hamburg. Florian Effenberger and Bernhard Dippold will be in the Sun office on the 12th and 13th January and we will discuss Bernhard's idea of a new Branding project. As this is an important issue that touches a lot of marketing subjects I would like to ask the marketing project for funding. For their travel expenses we calculated 600 Euros. Thanks, Rosana - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
