Releasing 3.1.0
As I posted previously I would like to do the 3.1.0 release but I don't want to do the work of isolating SLF4J until it's shown that it will be a problem. I don't the believe the adoption of 3.1.0 is going to be so quick that we can't create a fix if necessary. I would rather do the release in a lean style and not do work for theoretical problems. In full disclosure I have a release of Tesla I want to make and I already have JSR330, SLF4J/Logback, and Eclipse Aether integrated so I would like to try and help get the JSR330, SLF4J out the door and then get Eclipse Aether integrated. If anyone feels strongly about trying to create the SLF4J isolation and is going to start the work to do it shortly there's no harm in waiting. But I would prefer to start getting the 3.1.0 release out the door, get some feedback and adjust if necessary. Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder CTO, Sonatype Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl - Simplex sigillum veri. (Simplicity is the seal of truth.)
Re: Releasing 3.1.0
I would propose that we give until this time next week for somebody to stand up and state that they feel the isolation is necessary and that they are prepared to do the work to implement the isolation. If there is at least one person committing themselves, then we should discuss the timetable they see for the implementation of isolation, and make a judgement call on the basis of that discussion. If there is nobody feeling strongly about isolation, then at that point I think it is safe to proceed with cutting 3.1.0 (assuming it is ready at that point, or if not ready by then, finish the remaining tasks) Until/unless somebody steps up, I would think it is safe to proceed on the basis that the release will be cut as soon as it is ready and the week has expired. Thoughts? -Stephen On 26 February 2013 14:05, Jason van Zyl ja...@tesla.io wrote: As I posted previously I would like to do the 3.1.0 release but I don't want to do the work of isolating SLF4J until it's shown that it will be a problem. I don't the believe the adoption of 3.1.0 is going to be so quick that we can't create a fix if necessary. I would rather do the release in a lean style and not do work for theoretical problems. In full disclosure I have a release of Tesla I want to make and I already have JSR330, SLF4J/Logback, and Eclipse Aether integrated so I would like to try and help get the JSR330, SLF4J out the door and then get Eclipse Aether integrated. If anyone feels strongly about trying to create the SLF4J isolation and is going to start the work to do it shortly there's no harm in waiting. But I would prefer to start getting the 3.1.0 release out the door, get some feedback and adjust if necessary. Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder CTO, Sonatype Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl - Simplex sigillum veri. (Simplicity is the seal of truth.)
Re: Releasing 3.1.0
I think that a week is quite generous. I'd cut it down to 4 days. In any case, I support the general scheme here. On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote: I would propose that we give until this time next week for somebody to stand up and state that they feel the isolation is necessary and that they are prepared to do the work to implement the isolation. If there is at least one person committing themselves, then we should discuss the timetable they see for the implementation of isolation, and make a judgement call on the basis of that discussion. If there is nobody feeling strongly about isolation, then at that point I think it is safe to proceed with cutting 3.1.0 (assuming it is ready at that point, or if not ready by then, finish the remaining tasks) Until/unless somebody steps up, I would think it is safe to proceed on the basis that the release will be cut as soon as it is ready and the week has expired. Thoughts? -Stephen On 26 February 2013 14:05, Jason van Zyl ja...@tesla.io wrote: As I posted previously I would like to do the 3.1.0 release but I don't want to do the work of isolating SLF4J until it's shown that it will be a problem. I don't the believe the adoption of 3.1.0 is going to be so quick that we can't create a fix if necessary. I would rather do the release in a lean style and not do work for theoretical problems. In full disclosure I have a release of Tesla I want to make and I already have JSR330, SLF4J/Logback, and Eclipse Aether integrated so I would like to try and help get the JSR330, SLF4J out the door and then get Eclipse Aether integrated. If anyone feels strongly about trying to create the SLF4J isolation and is going to start the work to do it shortly there's no harm in waiting. But I would prefer to start getting the 3.1.0 release out the door, get some feedback and adjust if necessary. Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder CTO, Sonatype Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl - Simplex sigillum veri. (Simplicity is the seal of truth.) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: Releasing 3.1.0
Yup, sounds reasonable. On Feb 26, 2013, at 9:14 AM, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote: I would propose that we give until this time next week for somebody to stand up and state that they feel the isolation is necessary and that they are prepared to do the work to implement the isolation. If there is at least one person committing themselves, then we should discuss the timetable they see for the implementation of isolation, and make a judgement call on the basis of that discussion. If there is nobody feeling strongly about isolation, then at that point I think it is safe to proceed with cutting 3.1.0 (assuming it is ready at that point, or if not ready by then, finish the remaining tasks) Until/unless somebody steps up, I would think it is safe to proceed on the basis that the release will be cut as soon as it is ready and the week has expired. Thoughts? -Stephen On 26 February 2013 14:05, Jason van Zyl ja...@tesla.io wrote: As I posted previously I would like to do the 3.1.0 release but I don't want to do the work of isolating SLF4J until it's shown that it will be a problem. I don't the believe the adoption of 3.1.0 is going to be so quick that we can't create a fix if necessary. I would rather do the release in a lean style and not do work for theoretical problems. In full disclosure I have a release of Tesla I want to make and I already have JSR330, SLF4J/Logback, and Eclipse Aether integrated so I would like to try and help get the JSR330, SLF4J out the door and then get Eclipse Aether integrated. If anyone feels strongly about trying to create the SLF4J isolation and is going to start the work to do it shortly there's no harm in waiting. But I would prefer to start getting the 3.1.0 release out the door, get some feedback and adjust if necessary. Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder CTO, Sonatype Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl - Simplex sigillum veri. (Simplicity is the seal of truth.) Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder CTO, Sonatype Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl - To do two things at once is to do neither. -- Publilius Syrus, Roman slave, first century B.C.
Re: Releasing 3.1.0
I thought about that, but I suspect that we are at least 1 week away from being ready to cut 3.1.0 anyway, so 1 week seems safest and gives potential volunteers time to chime in. If Jason thinks he will be ready to cut 3.1.0 in 4 days time, then I would consider 4 days... On 26 February 2013 14:16, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: I think that a week is quite generous. I'd cut it down to 4 days. In any case, I support the general scheme here. On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote: I would propose that we give until this time next week for somebody to stand up and state that they feel the isolation is necessary and that they are prepared to do the work to implement the isolation. If there is at least one person committing themselves, then we should discuss the timetable they see for the implementation of isolation, and make a judgement call on the basis of that discussion. If there is nobody feeling strongly about isolation, then at that point I think it is safe to proceed with cutting 3.1.0 (assuming it is ready at that point, or if not ready by then, finish the remaining tasks) Until/unless somebody steps up, I would think it is safe to proceed on the basis that the release will be cut as soon as it is ready and the week has expired. Thoughts? -Stephen On 26 February 2013 14:05, Jason van Zyl ja...@tesla.io wrote: As I posted previously I would like to do the 3.1.0 release but I don't want to do the work of isolating SLF4J until it's shown that it will be a problem. I don't the believe the adoption of 3.1.0 is going to be so quick that we can't create a fix if necessary. I would rather do the release in a lean style and not do work for theoretical problems. In full disclosure I have a release of Tesla I want to make and I already have JSR330, SLF4J/Logback, and Eclipse Aether integrated so I would like to try and help get the JSR330, SLF4J out the door and then get Eclipse Aether integrated. If anyone feels strongly about trying to create the SLF4J isolation and is going to start the work to do it shortly there's no harm in waiting. But I would prefer to start getting the 3.1.0 release out the door, get some feedback and adjust if necessary. Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder CTO, Sonatype Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl - Simplex sigillum veri. (Simplicity is the seal of truth.) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: Releasing 3.1.0
OK, I follow the logic now. On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote: I thought about that, but I suspect that we are at least 1 week away from being ready to cut 3.1.0 anyway, so 1 week seems safest and gives potential volunteers time to chime in. If Jason thinks he will be ready to cut 3.1.0 in 4 days time, then I would consider 4 days... On 26 February 2013 14:16, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: I think that a week is quite generous. I'd cut it down to 4 days. In any case, I support the general scheme here. On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote: I would propose that we give until this time next week for somebody to stand up and state that they feel the isolation is necessary and that they are prepared to do the work to implement the isolation. If there is at least one person committing themselves, then we should discuss the timetable they see for the implementation of isolation, and make a judgement call on the basis of that discussion. If there is nobody feeling strongly about isolation, then at that point I think it is safe to proceed with cutting 3.1.0 (assuming it is ready at that point, or if not ready by then, finish the remaining tasks) Until/unless somebody steps up, I would think it is safe to proceed on the basis that the release will be cut as soon as it is ready and the week has expired. Thoughts? -Stephen On 26 February 2013 14:05, Jason van Zyl ja...@tesla.io wrote: As I posted previously I would like to do the 3.1.0 release but I don't want to do the work of isolating SLF4J until it's shown that it will be a problem. I don't the believe the adoption of 3.1.0 is going to be so quick that we can't create a fix if necessary. I would rather do the release in a lean style and not do work for theoretical problems. In full disclosure I have a release of Tesla I want to make and I already have JSR330, SLF4J/Logback, and Eclipse Aether integrated so I would like to try and help get the JSR330, SLF4J out the door and then get Eclipse Aether integrated. If anyone feels strongly about trying to create the SLF4J isolation and is going to start the work to do it shortly there's no harm in waiting. But I would prefer to start getting the 3.1.0 release out the door, get some feedback and adjust if necessary. Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder CTO, Sonatype Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl - Simplex sigillum veri. (Simplicity is the seal of truth.) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: Releasing 3.1.0
With a bit of a notice (don't care if it's one week or 4 days or….), I certainly support this path. We need to talking about it and get 3.1 out. Dan On Feb 26, 2013, at 9:05 AM, Jason van Zyl ja...@tesla.io wrote: As I posted previously I would like to do the 3.1.0 release but I don't want to do the work of isolating SLF4J until it's shown that it will be a problem. I don't the believe the adoption of 3.1.0 is going to be so quick that we can't create a fix if necessary. I would rather do the release in a lean style and not do work for theoretical problems. In full disclosure I have a release of Tesla I want to make and I already have JSR330, SLF4J/Logback, and Eclipse Aether integrated so I would like to try and help get the JSR330, SLF4J out the door and then get Eclipse Aether integrated. If anyone feels strongly about trying to create the SLF4J isolation and is going to start the work to do it shortly there's no harm in waiting. But I would prefer to start getting the 3.1.0 release out the door, get some feedback and adjust if necessary. Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder CTO, Sonatype Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl - Simplex sigillum veri. (Simplicity is the seal of truth.) -- Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org - http://dankulp.com/blog Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: Releasing 3.1.0
Did you finally tried full graph analysis on Central to see what Maven plugins actually depend on SLF4J or an implementation as intended on february 1st? This was a great idea to have some facts to predict problems like SONAR-3979 But if such idea is harder than expected, doing a release and seeing bug reports is better than waiting, I have no big problem. And personnally, I gave up on implementing slf4j isolation: that's a Maven internal I can't understand yet. So, ok for me for the release plan Regards, Hervé Le mardi 26 février 2013 09:05:36 Jason van Zyl a écrit : As I posted previously I would like to do the 3.1.0 release but I don't want to do the work of isolating SLF4J until it's shown that it will be a problem. I don't the believe the adoption of 3.1.0 is going to be so quick that we can't create a fix if necessary. I would rather do the release in a lean style and not do work for theoretical problems. In full disclosure I have a release of Tesla I want to make and I already have JSR330, SLF4J/Logback, and Eclipse Aether integrated so I would like to try and help get the JSR330, SLF4J out the door and then get Eclipse Aether integrated. If anyone feels strongly about trying to create the SLF4J isolation and is going to start the work to do it shortly there's no harm in waiting. But I would prefer to start getting the 3.1.0 release out the door, get some feedback and adjust if necessary. Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder CTO, Sonatype Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl - Simplex sigillum veri. (Simplicity is the seal of truth.)
