Re: [native-lang] Bouncer again
Hi On 2007-07-19, at 03:05 , sophie wrote: Hi Joost, all, Joost Andrae wrote: Hi Louis, I'm not a native language lead but as Sophie told me the French native language community (esp. the African francophone community) has problems regarding Bouncer because Bouncer doesn't seem to prefer regional download connections over international connections. Several users from Africa have complained that they got a very slow connection and it makes a difference if a user needs twelve hours or if he needs five hours to download a version over a modem line depending on the connection he got by Bouncer. Thanks for speaking about that. I have decided to make a new test for the 2.3 and will: - add bouncer links - add P2P links and hope that it will balance the issue with bouncer and low connections Kind regards Sophie thanks Sophie. I think that's a pretty good solution: one can choose on the basis of where one lives what system to use. More generally: I guess my concern is to capture more accurately (and easily) who is downloading the application and source. The more information we can get, the better for us, presuming that info is good news. :-) (And I'm sure it is.) Best, Louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [native-lang] Bouncer again
Hi Joost, all, Joost Andrae wrote: > Hi Louis, > > I'm not a native language lead but > > as Sophie told me the French native language community (esp. the African > francophone community) has problems regarding Bouncer because Bouncer > doesn't seem to prefer regional download connections over international > connections. Several users from Africa have complained that they got a > very slow connection and it makes a difference if a user needs twelve > hours or if he needs five hours to download a version over a modem line > depending on the connection he got by Bouncer. Thanks for speaking about that. I have decided to make a new test for the 2.3 and will: - add bouncer links - add P2P links and hope that it will balance the issue with bouncer and low connections Kind regards Sophie > > btw. > > broffice.org still seems to be down. Bouncer links for BrOo are available: > > http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=BrOffice.org&os=linuxintel&lang=pt-BR&version=2.2.1 > > http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=BrOffice.org&os=linuxintellangpack&lang=pt-BR&version=2.2.1 > > http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=BrOffice.org&os=win&lang=pt-BR&version=2.2.1 > > http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=BrOffice.org&os=winlangpack&lang=pt-BR&version=2.2.1 > > >> So... Do the NLC leads still have objections to using Bouncer? If >> yes, what are they? (Have they been communicated to the >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] list?) If not, can I ask that you do so? As I wrote >> before, Bouncer can help us track downloads. This may even be so for >> projects whose primary pages are actually off the CollabNet site, such >> as BR-PT: they can add their servers to the Bouncer list. > > Kind regards, Joost > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [native-lang] Bouncer again
Hi Louis, I don't know either. I will raise them with OSL. But I think as I wrote to Joost and Andreas, we will have to use all data... The part that bothers me is the intervention of manual labour: I think that introduces errors (or can) and is just boring and tedious. Automating things will help greatly: a report of weekly stats compiled from various sources. I myself also favor a Bouncer solution for a centralized download mechanism. It helps tracking and monitoring everything, and we don't need to maintain several separate download pages. When a mirror goes down, all people involed know, when md5sums are wrong, we know it, etc. I haven't wrote to OSDL yet, so if you gonna do it, this would be great. In particular, I would have to add some more products to the Bouncer: OOoPortable in three or four editions, the full dictionary pack, the PrOOo-Box CD and the PrOOo-Box DVD. Not all of them use the ooo mirroring as of now, so I would have to enter new products and mirrors only for these products, and I fear that would clutter the URL. Same goes for alpha Mac OS X builds and so on... Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [native-lang] Bouncer again
On 2007-07-17, at 18:17 , Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Louis, A long while ago, back in February, I asked about using Bouncer for downloads. [0] There were some considered objections, [1] but I think they may have been addressed since then. So... Do the NLC leads still have objections to using Bouncer? If yes, what are they? (Have they been communicated to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list?) If not, can I ask that you do so? As I wrote before, Bouncer can help us track downloads. This may even be so for projects whose primary pages are actually off the CollabNet site, such as BR-PT: they can add their servers to the Bouncer list. from my perspective, there are two major problems with Bouncer: - It does not support FTP downloads at all. Okay. - With the current interface, it seems to be problematic to add some external products, like the German PrOOo-Box or the OOoPortable. Defining a new set of mirrors, new products and versions for that clutters the UI. Don't know if these issues are being resolved. :-) I don't know either. I will raise them with OSL. But I think as I wrote to Joost and Andreas, we will have to use all data... The part that bothers me is the intervention of manual labour: I think that introduces errors (or can) and is just boring and tedious. Automating things will help greatly: a report of weekly stats compiled from various sources. Florian best louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [native-lang] Bouncer again
Hi all, On 2007-07-18, at 05:52 , Joost Andrae wrote: Hi Louis, I'm not a native language lead but as Sophie told me the French native language community (esp. the African francophone community) has problems regarding Bouncer because Bouncer doesn't seem to prefer regional download connections over international connections. Several users from Africa have complained that they got a very slow connection and it makes a difference if a user needs twelve hours or if he needs five hours to download a version over a modem line depending on the connection he got by Bouncer. This is good to know. My sense is that we can use both Bouncer and the Wusage (and probably other tools) to give us a better sense of the download picture. I'm sorry to hear that location causes problems, since one of my desires is to catch BR, African and other downloads that we don't always catch now. And OOo is very popular in Brazil. btw. broffice.org still seems to be down. Bouncer links for BrOo are available: http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/? product=BrOffice.org&os=linuxintel&lang=pt-BR&version=2.2.1 http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/? product=BrOffice.org&os=linuxintellangpack&lang=pt-BR&version=2.2.1 http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/? product=BrOffice.org&os=win&lang=pt-BR&version=2.2.1 http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/? product=BrOffice.org&os=winlangpack&lang=pt-BR&version=2.2.1 I see. I'll be pinging Claudio ... So... Do the NLC leads still have objections to using Bouncer? If yes, what are they? (Have they been communicated to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list?) If not, can I ask that you do so? As I wrote before, Bouncer can help us track downloads. This may even be so for projects whose primary pages are actually off the CollabNet site, such as BR-PT: they can add their servers to the Bouncer list. Kind regards, Joost Thanks, Joost. best louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [native-lang] Bouncer again
On 2007-07-17, at 17:42 , Andrea Pescetti wrote: Louis Suarez-Potts ha scritto: A long while ago, back in February, I asked about using Bouncer for downloads. [0] There were some considered objections, [1] but I think they may have been addressed since then. Not completely. My objection (we, as Italian NL group, were unable to count how many downloads we had) is still valid, in that we cannot access daily download statistics. Shaun McDonald provided some very promising and ingenious work to retrieve data from logs, see http://distribution.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg? list=dev&msgNo=1799 but it has remained a proof of concept so far. Anyway, we now use a workaround: we intercept all download requests from http://it.openoffice.org/download/ and log them before redirecting to Bouncer. This works, more or less, for us, but other NL teams may still have this concern. We would still prefer the cleaner approach of having statistics for each language directly integrated into Bouncer and accessible to NL team leads. Hm. Duplication of effort, as I already count that data and post it, when I have it, to stats.openoffice.org/ . So, the wusage reports (what I use for this) can be complemented by Bouncer, it seems. This is not an objection to switch to Bouncer for all downloads. We are using it and we will continue to use it. Good; and I think we can ask the OSL people then if they can further help us with Bouncer stats Regards, Andrea Pescetti - Italian NL team lead. best louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [native-lang] Bouncer again
Hi Louis, I'm not a native language lead but as Sophie told me the French native language community (esp. the African francophone community) has problems regarding Bouncer because Bouncer doesn't seem to prefer regional download connections over international connections. Several users from Africa have complained that they got a very slow connection and it makes a difference if a user needs twelve hours or if he needs five hours to download a version over a modem line depending on the connection he got by Bouncer. btw. broffice.org still seems to be down. Bouncer links for BrOo are available: http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=BrOffice.org&os=linuxintel&lang=pt-BR&version=2.2.1 http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=BrOffice.org&os=linuxintellangpack&lang=pt-BR&version=2.2.1 http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=BrOffice.org&os=win&lang=pt-BR&version=2.2.1 http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=BrOffice.org&os=winlangpack&lang=pt-BR&version=2.2.1 So... Do the NLC leads still have objections to using Bouncer? If yes, what are they? (Have they been communicated to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list?) If not, can I ask that you do so? As I wrote before, Bouncer can help us track downloads. This may even be so for projects whose primary pages are actually off the CollabNet site, such as BR-PT: they can add their servers to the Bouncer list. Kind regards, Joost - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [native-lang] Bouncer again
Hi Louis, A long while ago, back in February, I asked about using Bouncer for downloads. [0] There were some considered objections, [1] but I think they may have been addressed since then. So... Do the NLC leads still have objections to using Bouncer? If yes, what are they? (Have they been communicated to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list?) If not, can I ask that you do so? As I wrote before, Bouncer can help us track downloads. This may even be so for projects whose primary pages are actually off the CollabNet site, such as BR-PT: they can add their servers to the Bouncer list. from my perspective, there are two major problems with Bouncer: - It does not support FTP downloads at all. - With the current interface, it seems to be problematic to add some external products, like the German PrOOo-Box or the OOoPortable. Defining a new set of mirrors, new products and versions for that clutters the UI. Don't know if these issues are being resolved. :-) Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [native-lang] Bouncer again
Louis Suarez-Potts ha scritto: > A long while ago, back in February, I asked about using Bouncer for > downloads. [0] There were some considered objections, [1] but I > think they may have been addressed since then. Not completely. My objection (we, as Italian NL group, were unable to count how many downloads we had) is still valid, in that we cannot access daily download statistics. Shaun McDonald provided some very promising and ingenious work to retrieve data from logs, see http://distribution.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=1799 but it has remained a proof of concept so far. Anyway, we now use a workaround: we intercept all download requests from http://it.openoffice.org/download/ and log them before redirecting to Bouncer. This works, more or less, for us, but other NL teams may still have this concern. We would still prefer the cleaner approach of having statistics for each language directly integrated into Bouncer and accessible to NL team leads. This is not an objection to switch to Bouncer for all downloads. We are using it and we will continue to use it. Regards, Andrea Pescetti - Italian NL team lead. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [native-lang] Bouncer again
Hi Louis, Louis Suarez-Potts schreef: Hi all, A long while ago, back in February, I asked about using Bouncer for downloads. [0] There were some considered objections, [1] but I think they may have been addressed since then. So... Do the NLC leads still have objections to using Bouncer? If yes, what are they? (Have they been communicated to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list?) If not, can I ask that you do so? As I wrote before, Bouncer can help us track downloads. This may even be so for projects whose primary pages are actually off the CollabNet site, such as BR-PT: they can add their servers to the Bouncer list. It is very convenient. However it makes it more difficult to identify when a mirror contains a corrupted or compromised build. A user may find that the checksum is not correct but after downloading they will often not be aware anymore which mirror it was downloaded from. -- Vriendelijke groet, Simon Brouwer. | nl.openoffice.org | www.opentaal.org | - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[native-lang] Bouncer again
Hi all, A long while ago, back in February, I asked about using Bouncer for downloads. [0] There were some considered objections, [1] but I think they may have been addressed since then. So... Do the NLC leads still have objections to using Bouncer? If yes, what are they? (Have they been communicated to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list?) If not, can I ask that you do so? As I wrote before, Bouncer can help us track downloads. This may even be so for projects whose primary pages are actually off the CollabNet site, such as BR-PT: they can add their servers to the Bouncer list. Best, Louis [0] http://native-lang.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg? list=dev&msgNo=7337 [1] http://native-lang.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList? list=dev&by=thread&from=1664392 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
