Re: Double-click action
Swapping the vertex functions to a right-click menu would promote drill-down consistency across components. On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Andy LoPresto <alopre...@apache.org> wrote: > I’ll throw in that while I’ve never tried to double click anything other > than a process group in the UI (so Lee’s information was welcome), Matt > Burgess’ explanation of “drill down” is extremely intuitive to me and is > exactly how my brain would reconcile the difference between double clicking > a process group vs. a processor. > > Andy LoPresto > alopre...@apache.org > *alopresto.apa...@gmail.com <alopresto.apa...@gmail.com>* > PGP Fingerprint: 70EC B3E5 98A6 5A3F D3C4 BACE 3C6E F65B 2F7D EF69 > > On Oct 24, 2016, at 11:18 AM, Russell Bateman <russell.bateman@ > perfectsearchcorp.com> wrote: > > I'm sort of a new user, but I surely second Matt's expressed view. It's > how I conceptualize it too. > > (My two cents.) > > Russ > > On 10/24/2016 09:03 AM, Rob Moran wrote: > > I think the logic Matt B described would make a lot of sense to experienced > users, but it is changing behavior of the action and that *could* confuse > new users. > > But as Lee brought up it is already being used differently, so it very well > could be appreciated as learned behavior. > > It would be nice to expose common actions (like configure) on the faces of > components so they are only a single click away. However, it would be tough > to add more to them given current layouts. > > Rob > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Matt Gilman <matt.c.gil...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Certainly not the first time this has been brought up... in fact, there's > already a JIRA for it [1]. Use of double click on the connection is a great > counter point for consistency between the components. > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NIFI-1580 > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Lee Laim <lee.l...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Don't forget about connection behavior. > > Double-click on a connection places a movable vertex on the connection. > Double-click on a vertex deletes it. > > Very intuitive once you realize it's there. > > Lee > > > On Oct 24, 2016, at 8:21 AM, McDermott, Chris Kevin (MSDU - > > STaTS/StorefrontRemote) <chris.mcderm...@hpe.com> wrote: > > I like this, Matt. It has often find myself double clicking to try to > > configure, or view configuration. It just seems natural. > > > Chris McDermott > > Remote Business Analytics > STaTS/StoreFront Remote > HPE Storage > Hewlett Packard Enterprise > Mobile: +1 978-697-5315 > > > > On 10/24/16, 9:50 AM, "Matt Burgess" <mattyb...@apache.org> wrote: > >+1 for avoiding confusion or changing existing behavior, but I > > think a > >good compromise is to leave the Configure option on both context > > menus > >(right-click, e.g.) and add the double-click behavior to the > > Processor > >to open the configuration dialog. In that case, the default >(double-click) option for both Processors and Process Groups is no >longer "nothing" and "Enter Group" respectively; rather it is >conceptually something like "Drill-down". For PGs drill-down is > > Enter > >Group, for Processors you can't drill down any further than the > > config > >dialog, so that becomes the default action for double-click. > >Thoughts? Thanks, >Matt > >On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 7:49 AM, Pierre Villard ><pierre.villard...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Yep, that's a good point and I agree we should avoid confusion with > different behaviors depending of the components. > > Thanks Matt! > > Pierre > > 2016-10-24 13:44 GMT+02:00 Matt Gilman <matt.c.gil...@gmail.com>: > > Pierre, > > Currently the double click action is used to enter a Process Group. > There's been discussion in the past on this mailing about possibly > > using it > > to configure. My only hesitation there would be the inconsistency > > between > > action on the different components. Unless of course we also switch > > the > > action for entering a group. Then I start to worry about confusing > > the > > user > > with changing up the existing behavior too much. > > Matt > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 24, 2016, at 7:39 AM, Pierre Villard < > > pierre.villard...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > Hi, > > I was wondering if there is any reason why the double click action > > is > > not > > used in the UI? I think this could be a nice shortcut to access > "Configure/View configuration" view from elements on the canvas. > > Thoughts? > > Pierre > > > > >
Re: Double-click action
I’ll throw in that while I’ve never tried to double click anything other than a process group in the UI (so Lee’s information was welcome), Matt Burgess’ explanation of “drill down” is extremely intuitive to me and is exactly how my brain would reconcile the difference between double clicking a process group vs. a processor. Andy LoPresto alopre...@apache.org alopresto.apa...@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: 70EC B3E5 98A6 5A3F D3C4 BACE 3C6E F65B 2F7D EF69 > On Oct 24, 2016, at 11:18 AM, Russell Bateman > <russell.bate...@perfectsearchcorp.com> wrote: > > I'm sort of a new user, but I surely second Matt's expressed view. It's how I > conceptualize it too. > > (My two cents.) > > Russ > > On 10/24/2016 09:03 AM, Rob Moran wrote: >> I think the logic Matt B described would make a lot of sense to experienced >> users, but it is changing behavior of the action and that *could* confuse >> new users. >> >> But as Lee brought up it is already being used differently, so it very well >> could be appreciated as learned behavior. >> >> It would be nice to expose common actions (like configure) on the faces of >> components so they are only a single click away. However, it would be tough >> to add more to them given current layouts. >> >> Rob >> >> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Matt Gilman <matt.c.gil...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Certainly not the first time this has been brought up... in fact, there's >>> already a JIRA for it [1]. Use of double click on the connection is a great >>> counter point for consistency between the components. >>> >>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NIFI-1580 >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Lee Laim <lee.l...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Don't forget about connection behavior. >>>> >>>> Double-click on a connection places a movable vertex on the connection. >>>> Double-click on a vertex deletes it. >>>> >>>> Very intuitive once you realize it's there. >>>> >>>> Lee >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Oct 24, 2016, at 8:21 AM, McDermott, Chris Kevin (MSDU - >>>> STaTS/StorefrontRemote) <chris.mcderm...@hpe.com> wrote: >>>>> I like this, Matt. It has often find myself double clicking to try to >>>> configure, or view configuration. It just seems natural. >>>>> >>>>> Chris McDermott >>>>> >>>>> Remote Business Analytics >>>>> STaTS/StoreFront Remote >>>>> HPE Storage >>>>> Hewlett Packard Enterprise >>>>> Mobile: +1 978-697-5315 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 10/24/16, 9:50 AM, "Matt Burgess" <mattyb...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>+1 for avoiding confusion or changing existing behavior, but I >>> think a >>>>>good compromise is to leave the Configure option on both context >>> menus >>>>>(right-click, e.g.) and add the double-click behavior to the >>> Processor >>>>>to open the configuration dialog. In that case, the default >>>>>(double-click) option for both Processors and Process Groups is no >>>>>longer "nothing" and "Enter Group" respectively; rather it is >>>>>conceptually something like "Drill-down". For PGs drill-down is >>> Enter >>>>>Group, for Processors you can't drill down any further than the >>> config >>>>>dialog, so that becomes the default action for double-click. >>>>> >>>>>Thoughts? Thanks, >>>>>Matt >>>>> >>>>>On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 7:49 AM, Pierre Villard >>>>><pierre.villard...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> Yep, that's a good point and I agree we should avoid confusion with >>>>>> different behaviors depending of the components. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks Matt! >>>>>> >>>>>> Pierre >>>>>> >>>>>> 2016-10-24 13:44 GMT+02:00 Matt Gilman <matt.c.gil...@gmail.com>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Pierre, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Currently the double click action is used to enter a Process Group. >>>>>>> There's been discussion in the past on this mailing about possibly >>>> using it >>>>>>> to configure. My only hesitation there would be the inconsistency >>>> between >>>>>>> action on the different components. Unless of course we also switch >>> the >>>>>>> action for entering a group. Then I start to worry about confusing >>> the >>>> user >>>>>>> with changing up the existing behavior too much. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Matt >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Oct 24, 2016, at 7:39 AM, Pierre Villard < >>>> pierre.villard...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I was wondering if there is any reason why the double click action >>> is >>>> not >>>>>>>> used in the UI? I think this could be a nice shortcut to access >>>>>>>> "Configure/View configuration" view from elements on the canvas. >>>>>>> Thoughts? >>>>>>>> Pierre >>>>> > signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Re: Double-click action
I'm sort of a new user, but I surely second Matt's expressed view. It's how I conceptualize it too. (My two cents.) Russ On 10/24/2016 09:03 AM, Rob Moran wrote: I think the logic Matt B described would make a lot of sense to experienced users, but it is changing behavior of the action and that *could* confuse new users. But as Lee brought up it is already being used differently, so it very well could be appreciated as learned behavior. It would be nice to expose common actions (like configure) on the faces of components so they are only a single click away. However, it would be tough to add more to them given current layouts. Rob On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Matt Gilman <matt.c.gil...@gmail.com> wrote: Certainly not the first time this has been brought up... in fact, there's already a JIRA for it [1]. Use of double click on the connection is a great counter point for consistency between the components. [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NIFI-1580 On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Lee Laim <lee.l...@gmail.com> wrote: Don't forget about connection behavior. Double-click on a connection places a movable vertex on the connection. Double-click on a vertex deletes it. Very intuitive once you realize it's there. Lee On Oct 24, 2016, at 8:21 AM, McDermott, Chris Kevin (MSDU - STaTS/StorefrontRemote) <chris.mcderm...@hpe.com> wrote: I like this, Matt. It has often find myself double clicking to try to configure, or view configuration. It just seems natural. Chris McDermott Remote Business Analytics STaTS/StoreFront Remote HPE Storage Hewlett Packard Enterprise Mobile: +1 978-697-5315 On 10/24/16, 9:50 AM, "Matt Burgess" <mattyb...@apache.org> wrote: +1 for avoiding confusion or changing existing behavior, but I think a good compromise is to leave the Configure option on both context menus (right-click, e.g.) and add the double-click behavior to the Processor to open the configuration dialog. In that case, the default (double-click) option for both Processors and Process Groups is no longer "nothing" and "Enter Group" respectively; rather it is conceptually something like "Drill-down". For PGs drill-down is Enter Group, for Processors you can't drill down any further than the config dialog, so that becomes the default action for double-click. Thoughts? Thanks, Matt On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 7:49 AM, Pierre Villard <pierre.villard...@gmail.com> wrote: Yep, that's a good point and I agree we should avoid confusion with different behaviors depending of the components. Thanks Matt! Pierre 2016-10-24 13:44 GMT+02:00 Matt Gilman <matt.c.gil...@gmail.com>: Pierre, Currently the double click action is used to enter a Process Group. There's been discussion in the past on this mailing about possibly using it to configure. My only hesitation there would be the inconsistency between action on the different components. Unless of course we also switch the action for entering a group. Then I start to worry about confusing the user with changing up the existing behavior too much. Matt Sent from my iPhone On Oct 24, 2016, at 7:39 AM, Pierre Villard < pierre.villard...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, I was wondering if there is any reason why the double click action is not used in the UI? I think this could be a nice shortcut to access "Configure/View configuration" view from elements on the canvas. Thoughts? Pierre
Re: Double-click action
I think the logic Matt B described would make a lot of sense to experienced users, but it is changing behavior of the action and that *could* confuse new users. But as Lee brought up it is already being used differently, so it very well could be appreciated as learned behavior. It would be nice to expose common actions (like configure) on the faces of components so they are only a single click away. However, it would be tough to add more to them given current layouts. Rob On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Matt Gilman <matt.c.gil...@gmail.com> wrote: > Certainly not the first time this has been brought up... in fact, there's > already a JIRA for it [1]. Use of double click on the connection is a great > counter point for consistency between the components. > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NIFI-1580 > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Lee Laim <lee.l...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Don't forget about connection behavior. > > > > Double-click on a connection places a movable vertex on the connection. > > Double-click on a vertex deletes it. > > > > Very intuitive once you realize it's there. > > > > Lee > > > > > > > On Oct 24, 2016, at 8:21 AM, McDermott, Chris Kevin (MSDU - > > STaTS/StorefrontRemote) <chris.mcderm...@hpe.com> wrote: > > > > > > I like this, Matt. It has often find myself double clicking to try to > > configure, or view configuration. It just seems natural. > > > > > > > > > Chris McDermott > > > > > > Remote Business Analytics > > > STaTS/StoreFront Remote > > > HPE Storage > > > Hewlett Packard Enterprise > > > Mobile: +1 978-697-5315 > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/24/16, 9:50 AM, "Matt Burgess" <mattyb...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > >+1 for avoiding confusion or changing existing behavior, but I > think a > > >good compromise is to leave the Configure option on both context > menus > > >(right-click, e.g.) and add the double-click behavior to the > Processor > > >to open the configuration dialog. In that case, the default > > >(double-click) option for both Processors and Process Groups is no > > >longer "nothing" and "Enter Group" respectively; rather it is > > >conceptually something like "Drill-down". For PGs drill-down is > Enter > > >Group, for Processors you can't drill down any further than the > config > > >dialog, so that becomes the default action for double-click. > > > > > >Thoughts? Thanks, > > > Matt > > > > > >On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 7:49 AM, Pierre Villard > > ><pierre.villard...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> Yep, that's a good point and I agree we should avoid confusion with > > >> different behaviors depending of the components. > > >> > > >> Thanks Matt! > > >> > > >> Pierre > > >> > > >> 2016-10-24 13:44 GMT+02:00 Matt Gilman <matt.c.gil...@gmail.com>: > > >> > > >>> Pierre, > > >>> > > >>> Currently the double click action is used to enter a Process Group. > > >>> There's been discussion in the past on this mailing about possibly > > using it > > >>> to configure. My only hesitation there would be the inconsistency > > between > > >>> action on the different components. Unless of course we also switch > the > > >>> action for entering a group. Then I start to worry about confusing > the > > user > > >>> with changing up the existing behavior too much. > > >>> > > >>> Matt > > >>> > > >>> Sent from my iPhone > > >>> > > >>>> On Oct 24, 2016, at 7:39 AM, Pierre Villard < > > pierre.villard...@gmail.com> > > >>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Hi, > > >>>> > > >>>> I was wondering if there is any reason why the double click action > is > > not > > >>>> used in the UI? I think this could be a nice shortcut to access > > >>>> "Configure/View configuration" view from elements on the canvas. > > >>> Thoughts? > > >>>> > > >>>> Pierre > > >>> > > > > > > > > >
Re: Double-click action
Certainly not the first time this has been brought up... in fact, there's already a JIRA for it [1]. Use of double click on the connection is a great counter point for consistency between the components. [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NIFI-1580 On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Lee Laim <lee.l...@gmail.com> wrote: > Don't forget about connection behavior. > > Double-click on a connection places a movable vertex on the connection. > Double-click on a vertex deletes it. > > Very intuitive once you realize it's there. > > Lee > > > > On Oct 24, 2016, at 8:21 AM, McDermott, Chris Kevin (MSDU - > STaTS/StorefrontRemote) <chris.mcderm...@hpe.com> wrote: > > > > I like this, Matt. It has often find myself double clicking to try to > configure, or view configuration. It just seems natural. > > > > > > Chris McDermott > > > > Remote Business Analytics > > STaTS/StoreFront Remote > > HPE Storage > > Hewlett Packard Enterprise > > Mobile: +1 978-697-5315 > > > > > > > > On 10/24/16, 9:50 AM, "Matt Burgess" <mattyb...@apache.org> wrote: > > > >+1 for avoiding confusion or changing existing behavior, but I think a > >good compromise is to leave the Configure option on both context menus > >(right-click, e.g.) and add the double-click behavior to the Processor > >to open the configuration dialog. In that case, the default > >(double-click) option for both Processors and Process Groups is no > >longer "nothing" and "Enter Group" respectively; rather it is > >conceptually something like "Drill-down". For PGs drill-down is Enter > >Group, for Processors you can't drill down any further than the config > >dialog, so that becomes the default action for double-click. > > > >Thoughts? Thanks, > >Matt > > > >On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 7:49 AM, Pierre Villard > ><pierre.villard...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Yep, that's a good point and I agree we should avoid confusion with > >> different behaviors depending of the components. > >> > >> Thanks Matt! > >> > >> Pierre > >> > >> 2016-10-24 13:44 GMT+02:00 Matt Gilman <matt.c.gil...@gmail.com>: > >> > >>> Pierre, > >>> > >>> Currently the double click action is used to enter a Process Group. > >>> There's been discussion in the past on this mailing about possibly > using it > >>> to configure. My only hesitation there would be the inconsistency > between > >>> action on the different components. Unless of course we also switch the > >>> action for entering a group. Then I start to worry about confusing the > user > >>> with changing up the existing behavior too much. > >>> > >>> Matt > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>>> On Oct 24, 2016, at 7:39 AM, Pierre Villard < > pierre.villard...@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> I was wondering if there is any reason why the double click action is > not > >>>> used in the UI? I think this could be a nice shortcut to access > >>>> "Configure/View configuration" view from elements on the canvas. > >>> Thoughts? > >>>> > >>>> Pierre > >>> > > > > >
Re: Double-click action
I like this, Matt. It has often find myself double clicking to try to configure, or view configuration. It just seems natural. Chris McDermott Remote Business Analytics STaTS/StoreFront Remote HPE Storage Hewlett Packard Enterprise Mobile: +1 978-697-5315 On 10/24/16, 9:50 AM, "Matt Burgess" <mattyb...@apache.org> wrote: +1 for avoiding confusion or changing existing behavior, but I think a good compromise is to leave the Configure option on both context menus (right-click, e.g.) and add the double-click behavior to the Processor to open the configuration dialog. In that case, the default (double-click) option for both Processors and Process Groups is no longer "nothing" and "Enter Group" respectively; rather it is conceptually something like "Drill-down". For PGs drill-down is Enter Group, for Processors you can't drill down any further than the config dialog, so that becomes the default action for double-click. Thoughts? Thanks, Matt On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 7:49 AM, Pierre Villard <pierre.villard...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yep, that's a good point and I agree we should avoid confusion with > different behaviors depending of the components. > > Thanks Matt! > > Pierre > > 2016-10-24 13:44 GMT+02:00 Matt Gilman <matt.c.gil...@gmail.com>: > >> Pierre, >> >> Currently the double click action is used to enter a Process Group. >> There's been discussion in the past on this mailing about possibly using it >> to configure. My only hesitation there would be the inconsistency between >> action on the different components. Unless of course we also switch the >> action for entering a group. Then I start to worry about confusing the user >> with changing up the existing behavior too much. >> >> Matt >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Oct 24, 2016, at 7:39 AM, Pierre Villard <pierre.villard...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > Hi, >> > >> > I was wondering if there is any reason why the double click action is not >> > used in the UI? I think this could be a nice shortcut to access >> > "Configure/View configuration" view from elements on the canvas. >> Thoughts? >> > >> > Pierre >>
Re: Double-click action
+1 for avoiding confusion or changing existing behavior, but I think a good compromise is to leave the Configure option on both context menus (right-click, e.g.) and add the double-click behavior to the Processor to open the configuration dialog. In that case, the default (double-click) option for both Processors and Process Groups is no longer "nothing" and "Enter Group" respectively; rather it is conceptually something like "Drill-down". For PGs drill-down is Enter Group, for Processors you can't drill down any further than the config dialog, so that becomes the default action for double-click. Thoughts? Thanks, Matt On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 7:49 AM, Pierre Villard <pierre.villard...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yep, that's a good point and I agree we should avoid confusion with > different behaviors depending of the components. > > Thanks Matt! > > Pierre > > 2016-10-24 13:44 GMT+02:00 Matt Gilman <matt.c.gil...@gmail.com>: > >> Pierre, >> >> Currently the double click action is used to enter a Process Group. >> There's been discussion in the past on this mailing about possibly using it >> to configure. My only hesitation there would be the inconsistency between >> action on the different components. Unless of course we also switch the >> action for entering a group. Then I start to worry about confusing the user >> with changing up the existing behavior too much. >> >> Matt >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Oct 24, 2016, at 7:39 AM, Pierre Villard <pierre.villard...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > Hi, >> > >> > I was wondering if there is any reason why the double click action is not >> > used in the UI? I think this could be a nice shortcut to access >> > "Configure/View configuration" view from elements on the canvas. >> Thoughts? >> > >> > Pierre >>
Re: Double-click action
Yep, that's a good point and I agree we should avoid confusion with different behaviors depending of the components. Thanks Matt! Pierre 2016-10-24 13:44 GMT+02:00 Matt Gilman <matt.c.gil...@gmail.com>: > Pierre, > > Currently the double click action is used to enter a Process Group. > There's been discussion in the past on this mailing about possibly using it > to configure. My only hesitation there would be the inconsistency between > action on the different components. Unless of course we also switch the > action for entering a group. Then I start to worry about confusing the user > with changing up the existing behavior too much. > > Matt > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 24, 2016, at 7:39 AM, Pierre Villard <pierre.villard...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I was wondering if there is any reason why the double click action is not > > used in the UI? I think this could be a nice shortcut to access > > "Configure/View configuration" view from elements on the canvas. > Thoughts? > > > > Pierre >
Re: Double-click action
Pierre, Currently the double click action is used to enter a Process Group. There's been discussion in the past on this mailing about possibly using it to configure. My only hesitation there would be the inconsistency between action on the different components. Unless of course we also switch the action for entering a group. Then I start to worry about confusing the user with changing up the existing behavior too much. Matt Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 24, 2016, at 7:39 AM, Pierre Villard <pierre.villard...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi, > > I was wondering if there is any reason why the double click action is not > used in the UI? I think this could be a nice shortcut to access > "Configure/View configuration" view from elements on the canvas. Thoughts? > > Pierre
Double-click action
Hi, I was wondering if there is any reason why the double click action is not used in the UI? I think this could be a nice shortcut to access "Configure/View configuration" view from elements on the canvas. Thoughts? Pierre
