date:20130118

On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 23:29:48 +
harry steven  wrote:

> I have just downloaded this Version of Open Office.Now my Printer will not 
> print anything in Open Office and refers me to check my Printer 
> configuration.At 74 years of age, this is all a mystery to me, so please tell 
> me how I can get my Printer to print out a legal Document I need so 
> urgently.Thanks you.Harry StevenEdinburgh Scotland
>  

A quick workaround to allow you print your document without delay: /File 
/Export as PDF.  Now open the PDF document in a PDF reader (usually Adobe 
Reader, almost certainly installed on your computer) and print the document 
from that.

The longer approach to a fix: it can help to reinstall your printer _after_ 
installing OpenOffice.  Reports of printer problems seem to occur more commonly 
when 64 bit Windows operating systems are used; there may be some problem 
interfacing with 32 bit OpenOffice, but the problem is not common or 
recreatable for debugging, as far as I know.

--
  Rory O'Farrell

Re: Fisheye setup?

2013-01-18 Thread Herbert Duerr


Hi Kay,

On 17.01.2013 21:15, Kay Schenk wrote:

On 01/17/2013 04:39 AM, Herbert Duerr wrote:

On 17.01.2013 00:42, Kay Schenk wrote:

A week or so ago, fisheye6 just tanked. Now, it's up again, but given
the size of our svn repository (this includes all branches and web
sites), I am informed this may take some time (week or so) to regen.


thanks for the status update! When I saw that their ooo pages where out
of date I checked with ASF infra about our relationship with Atlassian
and then filed https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5765

Please update or close this issue if it interferes with what is already
going on.


I don't think I can close this, so if you could, please close this.


Thanks! I closed it: http://s.apache.org/infra5765_closed


We have fisheye linked on our source page:

http://openoffice.apache.org/source.html

I will put a link in to opengrok here as well in just a bit.

Something things just need to sort themselves out I guess.


I hope their "sorting this out" plan is still on the right track ;-) 
because it was almost five weeks ago (December 11th) that you mentioned 
your request to them to change their ooo-tracking to our changed 
post-graduation SVN location.


Herbert

Re: [IMPORTANT, DISCUSS]: no migration/use of former user profile with AOO 4.0

2013-01-18 Thread Herbert Dürr


On 18.01.2013 04:05, Rob Weir wrote:

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 2:55 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
 wrote:

I now have an user profile which causes constantly crashes.
It had been "created" on a Windows 7 machine where I had OOo 3.3, AOO 3.4
and now AOO 3.4.1 installed.
I did not remember what I did in step #2, but it was very little - I think.

I am now ready to debug the crash. It happens somehow when trying to access
certain installed extensions. This is just the first glance. Thus, do not
nail me down on it, when I find out that it is something else ;-)

I keep you informed.


[...]

Do you (or anyone else) have a Bugzilla issue you want to use for
this?  We have quite a few reports on this issue and I'd like to start
closing them out as duplicates of a root issue.

If no one has a good one, I can pick one at random.


I suggest to use https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121625 
"Tracking issue for AOO 3.4 startup related crashes" for this. Please 
beware that we are not yet really sure that all these crashes have the 
same root cause, so I suggest to wait with closing them as duplicates 
until we have a better understanding of the underlying problems.


Herbert

Re: OpenOffice thin client edition - why not?


Hi,

this server based StarOffice version was called StarPortal 
(StarDivision). Later it was called Sun ONE Webtop (Sun Microsystems). 
The client protocol was "VCL remote", a protocol that was removed before 
Sun opensourced the StarOffice code base to OpenOffice.org. With VCL 
remote the VCL rendered user interface was triggered via API allowing a 
full color and full resolution visualization of the UI by needing just 
an ISDN phone connection (64 kbit/s). There were "native" C++ VCL 
clients for almost every client platform (Win, Mac, Linux, Solaris, 
etc.) and there was a Java based VCL client to be used via browser 
interface or used within a Sun Java station.
It had a central configuration management solution based on LDAP (XML 
config items were stored within an LDAP structure). Parts of the 
configuration logic is still part of AOO, eg. locking of config items. 
There were parts that allowed rendering into HTML, DHTML, WML and there 
was a fax interface. Sun ONE Webtop allowed the usage of hardware 
loadbalancers. A new client usually logged-in into a virtual user 
directory or it was able to log-in into a system based user directory 
using single sign-on so eg. the user was able to use his WAP phone to 
select a document within his home directory to send it to a fax number.

A user process shared the memory usage with other client processes.

Oracle Cloud Office cannot be compared with developments like StarPortal 
or Sun ONE Webtop that needed office processes to run on client side. 
Oracle Cloud Office used the ODF file format to render it by using 
JavaScript. OTOH bulk document conversions were done by an office 
process on server side. Oracle Cloud Office scaled far better.


Am 18.01.2013 04:16, schrieb Fernando Cassia:

I remember Sun -or perhaps it was StarDivision- once sold a StarOffice
"network computing" edition, basically what I think it did was install
a OO.o/SO Server on a LAN, and remote users connected -over VNC or
likewise thin-client protocol- via a Java applet in their browsers, to
the StarOffice app.

So, has anyone played with such a setup in OpenOffice ? Notice I don´t
want to give remote users access to the full desktop or a remote Linux
desktop session, just the application. In other words, what I mean is
the VNC-ization of the OO app...



Kind regards, Joost

Re: [Extensions website] Manage files

2013-01-18 Thread FR web forum

>Can't you just unpublish it? In the new dictionaries I uploaded today, I 
>made a mistake and had to unpublish a release. But I believe you already 
>found the solution, since I can't see version 1.2.1 any longer at 

Yes, I unpublished this release but I can't recreate it with same release.
If I edit actual 1.2.1, I can't upload a new file.
The only solution is create a new release.
I just want to update the file.
Do you see what I mean?

Re: OpenOffice thin client edition - why not?

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 5:44 AM, Joost Andrae  wrote:
> Oracle Cloud Office cannot be compared with developments like StarPortal or
> Sun ONE Webtop that needed office processes to run on client side. Oracle
> Cloud Office used the ODF file format to render it by using JavaScript. OTOH
> bulk document conversions were done by an office process on server side.
> Oracle Cloud Office scaled far better.

Joost,

Very interesting information.

However, I never,ever ever ever mentioned any ORCL product so I don´t
know why you bring that up :)

Personally, I´d just envisioned a way to put Apache OpenOffice on my
Linux server and be able to acess it from my Nokia N800 tablet running
Mer Linux and a VNC client, among other older systems, but in a
seamless way, not running a full vnc session with Linux windows
manager etc

I also have a pair of IBM Network Stations (powerpc) that I can use as
thin clients by booting the FreeBSD port tailored for those.

FC


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[RELEASE]: AOO 3.4.1 language respin

2013-01-18 Thread Jürgen Schmidt

Hi,

I will start to build the next snapshot build for our upcoming AOO 3.4.1
respin release based on revision 1435053 on the AOO34 branch.

The new build will contain dictionaries for all new languages and we add
a dictionary for Hungarian now.

This is a change regarding the last build, we will include Hungarian in
the respin as well.

Supported languages now: ast da eu gd hu pl ko nb sv

My plan is to use this build as final build for the release if we don't
receive any critical feedback. The feedback regarding the first snapshot
was moderate and is addressed with this new one.

I will keep you informed when the builds are available.

@Ariel: can you please start the builds for Linux as soon as it is
possible for you as well.

Thanks

Juergen

APACHE OPEN OFFICE 3.4.1. PLEASE PLEASE HELP ME!

2013-01-18 Thread harry steven

Hello Rory, you are MY HERO!
Followed your instructions and selected the PDF, but it did not work, the 
printer did not recognise what to do.
Tried again and noticed that on the choices although the pull down menu showed 
PDF there was another box showing JPG.
I changed this box to PDF and the Printer started to Print - what Joy!
Thank you so much for making the rules so clear.
BUT to ALL Programmes PLEASE PLEASE ask a group of Senior Citizens who do not 
understand Computer Speak to pass the wording and rules as "Crystal Clear" This 
is an UK icon that are given to organisations whose wording can be understood 
by most people who can read.
There is an absolute fortune awaiting any computer firm/programmers that have a 
very simple selection of icons and if you want more then you can ask for them.
Can I be on such a Panel (Apache and others take note.)
Removing and then re-installing a Printer DOES NOT WORK. 
You say 64 bits are known for this.
Just as well the Moon landing did not rely on a 64 bit programme.
Thanks again from a snowy cold Edinburgh in Scotland.
The first drink and more is on me when you visit.
Harry
end

> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 08:10:10 +
> From: ofarr...@iol.ie
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> CC: edinburghapartm...@hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: APACHE OPEN OFFICE 3.4.1. PLEASE PLEASE HELP ME!
> 
> On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 23:29:48 +
> harry steven  wrote:
> 
> > I have just downloaded this Version of Open Office.Now my Printer will not 
> > print anything in Open Office and refers me to check my Printer 
> > configuration.At 74 years of age, this is all a mystery to me, so please 
> > tell me how I can get my Printer to print out a legal Document I need so 
> > urgently.Thanks you.Harry StevenEdinburgh Scotland  
> >  
> 
> A quick workaround to allow you print your document without delay: /File 
> /Export as PDF.  Now open the PDF document in a PDF reader (usually Adobe 
> Reader, almost certainly installed on your computer) and print the document 
> from that.
> 
> The longer approach to a fix: it can help to reinstall your printer _after_ 
> installing OpenOffice.  Reports of printer problems seem to occur more 
> commonly when 64 bit Windows operating systems are used; there may be some 
> problem interfacing with 32 bit OpenOffice, but the problem is not common or 
> recreatable for debugging, as far as I know.
> 
> --
>   Rory O'Farrell

Re: Dictionaries?

2013-01-18 Thread Gianluca Turconi


Il 18/01/2013 1.01, Andrea Pescetti ha scritto:

We did have at least one license change (Russian?) but the bundling
mechanism is actually designed to retrieve external OXT files at build
time.


An old Italian dictionary version was changed to Apache license too. Ask 
Pedro Giffuni for details.


Regards,
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fantasy, horror, noir, narrativa fantastica e tradizionale:
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Re: OpenOffice thin client edition - why not?

On 18 January 2013 09:16, Fernando Cassia  wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 5:44 AM, Joost Andrae  wrote:
>> Oracle Cloud Office cannot be compared with developments like StarPortal or
>> Sun ONE Webtop that needed office processes to run on client side. Oracle
>> Cloud Office used the ODF file format to render it by using JavaScript. OTOH
>> bulk document conversions were done by an office process on server side.
>> Oracle Cloud Office scaled far better.
>
> Joost,
>
> Very interesting information.
>
> However, I never,ever ever ever mentioned any ORCL product so I don´t
> know why you bring that up :)
>
> Personally, I´d just envisioned a way to put Apache OpenOffice on my
> Linux server and be able to acess it from my Nokia N800 tablet running
> Mer Linux and a VNC client, among other older systems, but in a
> seamless way, not running a full vnc session with Linux windows
> manager etc
>
> I also have a pair of IBM Network Stations (powerpc) that I can use as
> thin clients by booting the FreeBSD port tailored for those.

What we really need is a cloud version of AOO like Google Docs. Even
MS now realises that this is the way to go with 365. It is going to
take time but I see the emphasis shifting to on-line office tools with
an option to work off line. Given that it will take several years of
development to get something on a par with Google, unless this work
starts very soon it could well be too late. It might even be already.
If there is a standards compliant on-line suite it then is less of a
problem worrying about porting to every different mobile and desktop
device.
> --
> During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary 
> act
> Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un
> Acto Revolucionario
> - George Orwell



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Re: OpenOffice thin client edition - why not?

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Ian Lynch  wrote:
> What we really need is a cloud version of AOO like Google Docs.

We don´t *need* ONE thing. That´s the beauty of open source, ´we´
could do *several* things.

I for one don´t ´need´ an AJAX / HTML5 version of AOO... GDocs is fine...

I personally think browser based apps are a pig, and doing apps in
JScript is insane. I had Chrome open the other day just with GMail and
it was using over 150 MB of RAM

A thin client virtualized version on the other hand would use the PC´s
CPU and horsepower and deliver great speed to even to lowest powered
devices.

But of course, that´s going in a different direction from the current fad

FC

Re: APACHE OPEN OFFICE 3.4.1. PLEASE PLEASE HELP ME!

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 6:12 AM, harry steven
 wrote:
>
> Hello Rory, you are MY HERO!
> Followed your instructions and selected the PDF, but it did not work, the 
> printer did not recognise what to do.
> Tried again and noticed that on the choices although the pull down menu 
> showed PDF there was another box showing JPG.
> I changed this box to PDF and the Printer started to Print - what Joy!
> Thank you so much for making the rules so clear.
> BUT to ALL Programmes PLEASE PLEASE ask a group of Senior Citizens who do not 
> understand Computer Speak to pass the wording and rules as "Crystal Clear" 
> This is an UK icon that are given to organisations whose wording can be 
> understood by most people who can read.
> There is an absolute fortune awaiting any computer firm/programmers that have 
> a very simple selection of icons and if you want more then you can ask for 
> them.

Something to consider...

We had OOo4Kids.  Why not AOO4Seniors?

I don't know how it is in other parts of the world, but in the US and
parts of Europe there is a demographic shift as post-war "baby
boomers" age and retire.   They did not grow up with computers, but
now find themselves in a world where computer access is now essential.

We're starting to see special models of cell phones and computers now
for seniors.  Simplified interfaces, larger icons.

-Rob

> Can I be on such a Panel (Apache and others take note.)
> Removing and then re-installing a Printer DOES NOT WORK.
> You say 64 bits are known for this.
> Just as well the Moon landing did not rely on a 64 bit programme.
> Thanks again from a snowy cold Edinburgh in Scotland.
> The first drink and more is on me when you visit.
> Harry
> end
>
>> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 08:10:10 +
>> From: ofarr...@iol.ie
>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>> CC: edinburghapartm...@hotmail.com
>> Subject: Re: APACHE OPEN OFFICE 3.4.1. PLEASE PLEASE HELP ME!
>>
>> On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 23:29:48 +
>> harry steven  wrote:
>>
>> > I have just downloaded this Version of Open Office.Now my Printer will not 
>> > print anything in Open Office and refers me to check my Printer 
>> > configuration.At 74 years of age, this is all a mystery to me, so please 
>> > tell me how I can get my Printer to print out a legal Document I need so 
>> > urgently.Thanks you.Harry StevenEdinburgh Scotland
>>
>> A quick workaround to allow you print your document without delay: /File 
>> /Export as PDF.  Now open the PDF document in a PDF reader (usually Adobe 
>> Reader, almost certainly installed on your computer) and print the document 
>> from that.
>>
>> The longer approach to a fix: it can help to reinstall your printer _after_ 
>> installing OpenOffice.  Reports of printer problems seem to occur more 
>> commonly when 64 bit Windows operating systems are used; there may be some 
>> problem interfacing with 32 bit OpenOffice, but the problem is not common or 
>> recreatable for debugging, as far as I know.
>>
>> --
>>   Rory O'Farrell 
>

Re: OpenOffice thin client edition - why not?

On 18 January 2013 13:18, Fernando Cassia  wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Ian Lynch  wrote:
>> What we really need is a cloud version of AOO like Google Docs.
>
> We don´t *need* ONE thing. That´s the beauty of open source, ´we´
> could do *several* things.

Well yes, but it is more efficient to do one thing that covers many
needs rather than try and do many things with not enough resource.

> I for one don´t ´need´ an AJAX / HTML5 version of AOO... GDocs is fine...

A lot of people would say yes but GDocs is not open source.
Some people would say MS Office is fine and others would say Koffice.
Question is whether or not we want a long term sustainable project for
the community or one that will get more and more marginalised.

> I personally think browser based apps are a pig, and doing apps in
> JScript is insane. I had Chrome open the other day just with GMail and
> it was using over 150 MB of RAM...

Not really a big problem with modern multi-gig computers (including
future mobile technologies). Less of a problem than stuff that only
works on one device or needs a lot of effort to port across
multi-devices, operating systems etc. To me open standards are worth
paying a bit of a price for in terms of machine resources since the
latter continue to grow and get less expensive.

> A thin client virtualized version on the other hand would use the PC´s
> CPU and horsepower and deliver great speed to even to lowest powered
> devices.

Assuming you have someone to host it for you. O a global scale that is
not trivial to do which is probably why Google with all its resources
does what it does.

> But of course, that´s going in a different direction from the current fad

Swimming against global trends is not a sensible idea when you have
very limited resources and very little time.

> FC

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Re: OpenOffice thin client edition - why not?

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Ian Lynch  wrote:
> Swimming against global trends is not a sensible idea when you have
> very limited resources and very little time.

Never implied that. Just said it´d be cool to have the current AOO
edition repurposed -or extended- to also serve thin clients over VNC
would be useful. That is adding a wrapper or connector or middleware
-call it as you want- not re-engineering everything.

Of course that doesn´t prevent or deter AOO project leaders from going
Ajax, HTML5 or whatever fancy inefficient trend comes next.

FC

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Re: OpenOffice thin client edition - why not?


Hi,


I for one don´t ´need´ an AJAX / HTML5 version of AOO... GDocs is fine...

I personally think browser based apps are a pig, and doing apps in
JScript is insane. I had Chrome open the other day just with GMail and
it was using over 150 MB of RAM

A thin client virtualized version on the other hand would use the PC´s
CPU and horsepower and deliver great speed to even to lowest powered
devices.



I'd prefer to have a web server based application which I could setup at 
home and what I could configure it to be used from everywhere I have IP 
access (private cloud) to. The data transmission should run in a secure 
way (at least via https) and it should include a login mechanism to 
access it. Basing the application development on ODF file format 
features for this webapp would ease it's deployment because files 
created with this webapp would automatically be compatible to AOO. And a 
webapp can be configured to run on whatever client you want it to run 
on. Wether it uses JS or some other technology is not that important as 
well as it's not that important to have a document that is rendered 100% 
like within AOO. More important is the ability to modify documents on 
the go eg. from a mobile.


Kind regards,

Joost

Website Problem

2013-01-18 Thread Michael Aquino

This link is bad

http://www.openoffice.org/product/development/releases/index.html

Re: Website Problem

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Michael Aquino  wrote:
> This link is bad
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/product/development/releases/index.html

Do you recall what page had the link to this?

-Rob

Re: Website Problem

2013-01-18 Thread Saransh Sharma

Not working

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Michael Aquino 
> wrote:
> > This link is bad
> >
> > http://www.openoffice.org/product/development/releases/index.html
>
> Do you recall what page had the link to this?
>
> -Rob
>



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Re: Dictionaries?

2013-01-18 Thread Pedro Giffuni

Hi Gianluca;

The older italian version is here:

http://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/ooo-myspell/


The Croatian dictionary was also relicensed but was dropped
with all the dictionaries.

Ultimately we really don't do dictionaries here in AOO so
grabbing them from other places, as long as their license
permits, is the right thing to do.

Pedro.



>
> Da: Gianluca Turconi 
>A: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
>Inviato: Venerdì 18 Gennaio 2013 6:54
>Oggetto: Re: Dictionaries?
> 
>Il 18/01/2013 1.01, Andrea Pescetti ha scritto:
>> We did have at least one license change (Russian?) but the bundling
>> mechanism is actually designed to retrieve external OXT files at build
>> time.
>
>An old Italian dictionary version was changed to Apache license too. Ask Pedro 
>Giffuni for details.
>
>Regards,
>-- Gianluca Turconi
>Lettura gratuita o acquisto di libri e racconti di fantascienza,
>fantasy, horror, noir, narrativa fantastica e tradizionale:
>http://www.letturefantastiche.com/
>
>
>

Re: OpenOffice thin client edition - why not?

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Joost Andrae  wrote:
> More important is the ability to modify documents on the go eg. from a
> mobile.

Yes, and you can do that with an html5/ajax version hosted "somewhere"
-you´d need a web server-, or also by logging into your AOO copy at
home with a VNC client for Android/iPad...

Two approaches for the same solution. VNC is less work so it can be
done faster. ;)

A new project at SourceForge dubbed VNCSara allows one to encapsulate
a VNC session on http / https thus passing thru firewalls and NAT...

OK, enough babbling. Food for thought anyway...
FC

Re: Website Problem


Hi,

maybe you're looking for this link instead:

http://www.openoffice.org/development/releases/index.html

Am 18.01.2013 15:44, schrieb Michael Aquino:

This link is bad

http://www.openoffice.org/product/development/releases/index.html



Kind regards, Joost

Re: OpenOffice thin client edition - why not?


Hi,



Yes, and you can do that with an html5/ajax version hosted "somewhere"
-you´d need a web server-, or also by logging into your AOO copy at
home with a VNC client for Android/iPad...



but I don't want to render the application. It's better to work on the 
document by using an API of it's file format (like ODFDOM) instead.


Please have a look here to understand what I mean:
http://incubator.apache.org/odftoolkit/

Kind regards, Joost

Re: Website Problem

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Joost Andrae  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> maybe you're looking for this link instead:
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/development/releases/index.html
>

The original poster sent a note to me directly.  Start from this page:

http://www.openoffice.org/product/index.html

The link at the bottom, "Find out more" is the problem.

I wonder if that should go to http://www.openoffice.org/why instead?

-Rob

> Am 18.01.2013 15:44, schrieb Michael Aquino:
>
>> This link is bad
>>
>> http://www.openoffice.org/product/development/releases/index.html
>>
>
> Kind regards, Joost
>

Re: Mwiki possible name change.

Considering forums.openoffice.org altogether, I would vote for
wiki.openoffice.org instead of wiki.openoffice.apache.org.

 1. The existing community is built on this current host name.  It would
only confuse the community to change it.  This is especially true that
we have changed it just recently.

 2. It causes trouble to forward discussion thread URLs, pages when the
host name is long.

On 2013/01/15 06:12, Rob Weir said:
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 5:10 PM, janI  wrote:
>> On Jan 14, 2013 10:52 PM, "Rob Weir"  wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:09 PM, janI  wrote:
 Hi.

 I want to inform the community about an ongoing discussion in Infra
 regarding the use of "wiki.openoffice.org" or "
>> wiki.openoffice.apache.org"

 Background: We decided sometime ago to let me upgrade mwiki, which I
>> did,
 with great help from many in here.

 After that there has been a relatively high load on the VM (very
>> positive)
 and bi-daily kernel panics due to lack of resources.

 It was then decided to make a new VM with a new ubuntu, instead of an
 upgrade in place (to get rid of the kernel panic) which I deemed risky
>> due
 to the state (and documentation) of the installation.

 I have completed the work with the new VM, and we were ready to transfer
 the live site.

 At that point I learned about plans of using https instead of http.
 Infra-root has a policy that all logins (not only for committers)
>> should be
 done through https.

 Using https, requires a certificate, and the ongoing discussion is
>> whether
 "*.openoffice.org" is really needed or if "*.openoffice.apache.org"
>> would
 be ok.

 If I have understood the details correctly (sorry for being vague, but I
 have not been able to get a clear answer), the users would address
>> https:
 wiki.openoffice.org or http:wiki.openoffice.org and get a response as
>> https:
 ooo-wiki.openoffice.org or https:ooo-wiki.openoffice.apache.org.

>>>
>>> IMHO renaming goes in the wrong direction.  I think we should be
>>> looking to get the entire website on to one domain, either all on
>>> openoffice.org or all on openoffice.apache.org.   Splitting things up
>>> is confusing for users, makes extra work for us (and for Infra),
>>> confuses the hell out of Google Analytics.
>>>
>>> I'd really like to see everything under one domain, including our blog
>>> and even CWiki (or migrate CWiki over to MWiki).
>>>
>>> That's my ideal.   Is it impossible?
>> it is highly possible.
>>
>> I thought converting cwiki was taken off the table. we discussed it earlier
>> and said it should be after the upgrade. since then no one on the mwiki
>> side have volunteered.
>>
> 
> Sorry, I didn't mean to convert or migrate now, as part of the present
> set of activities.  I meant longer term it would be good to get under
> a single domain.
> 
> -Rob
> 
>>>
>>>
 I have written/mailed several times that openoffice.org is a legacy,
>> very
 important to AOO, and hope it has been understood. The latest discussion
 seems to go in the direction of getting a certificate for openoffice.org
>> ,
 but there are no guarantees.

>>>
>>> Is the issue cost?  We could do a mini-fundraising plea on our
>>> homepage.  I bet we could raise the necessary funds for the
>>> certificate.
>>>
>>> Note:  If I understand the security concern with the login, aren't we
>>> in the same issue with the phpBB forums?  Would a single cert be able
>>> to cover that as well?  Or do we need one cert per subdomain?
>>
>> for some reason there seems to be resistence against wildcard cert, even
>> though apache.org is a wildcard.
>>
>> latest news is that the https discussion has been postponed, so we at least
>> can get a stable server.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
 I have informed infra, that I cannot participate in works that causes a
>> url
 name change, without having a green light from the AOO community.
>> Meaning
 that I am now just monitoring what happens and not participating.

 I am sorry to have partly caused the current situation, I wanted to
>> make a
 clean installation to make the VM easier to maintain, had I not done
>> that,
 the https discussion would problaly never have surfaced.

 I have no deadline for the change, mainly because it is done by others,
>> but
 I am convinced that Infra will end with a solution that the community
>> can
 accept.

 Please take this as information, I cannot go into a discussion on
>> behalf of
 Infra (I am not infra, but we do have other committers that are infra).

 Rgds
 jan I.


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Re: Website Problem

2013-01-18 Thread Jürgen Schmidt

On 1/18/13 4:36 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Joost Andrae  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> maybe you're looking for this link instead:
>>
>> http://www.openoffice.org/development/releases/index.html
>>
> 
> The original poster sent a note to me directly.  Start from this page:
> 
> http://www.openoffice.org/product/index.html
> 
> The link at the bottom, "Find out more" is the problem.
> 
> I wonder if that should go to http://www.openoffice.org/why instead?

this would indeed make more sense than linking to
http://www.openoffice.org/development/releases/index.html

Juergen


> 
> -Rob
> 
>> Am 18.01.2013 15:44, schrieb Michael Aquino:
>>
>>> This link is bad
>>>
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/product/development/releases/index.html
>>>
>>
>> Kind regards, Joost
>>

Re: Blogging volunteers

On 2013/01/15 21:19, Rob Weir said:
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 2:03 AM, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
>> The next weeks will see a release, two conferences and the 4.0 preparations.
>>
>> With so many topics to talk about, I suggest that everybody who may want to
>> blog about OpenOffice on our official blog http://blogs.apache.org/OOo/ asks
>> for a Roller account in advance. The project blog is in English, but don't
>> worry about the language, we have native speakers who can proofread posts.
>>
> 
> Thanks for encouraging more blogging volunteers.   I'm happy to help
> with the editing as well.
> 
> Everyone should note that a blog post does not need to be lengthy.  A
> mix of short update and longer expository pieces are great.  Having a
> regular heartbeat of communications is the important thing.
> 
> And if you want to help, but don't know what to write about, then
> consider this:  Offer to do an interview, via email or Skype, with
> another project member, or an extension author, or an OpenOffice book
> author.  Turn that interview into a blog post.  This helps promote the
> project and the ecosystem.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -Rob
> 
> 
>> All you need is to reply to this message on ooo-dev and ask for an account
>> here; we will then ask Infra to create the accounts.

Hi.  I would like to volunteer to be one of the blog authors, too.

>> Regards,
>>   Andrea.

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Re: Website Problem

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Jürgen Schmidt  wrote:
> On 1/18/13 4:36 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Joost Andrae  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> maybe you're looking for this link instead:
>>>
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/development/releases/index.html
>>>
>>
>> The original poster sent a note to me directly.  Start from this page:
>>
>> http://www.openoffice.org/product/index.html
>>
>> The link at the bottom, "Find out more" is the problem.
>>
>> I wonder if that should go to http://www.openoffice.org/why instead?
>
> this would indeed make more sense than linking to
> http://www.openoffice.org/development/releases/index.html
>

Fixed.


> Juergen
>
>
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>> Am 18.01.2013 15:44, schrieb Michael Aquino:
>>>
 This link is bad

 http://www.openoffice.org/product/development/releases/index.html

>>>
>>> Kind regards, Joost
>>>
>

Re: Mwiki possible name change.

2013-01-18 Thread Donald Whytock

FWIW, my company for the longest time firewall-blocked anything of the
form *.openoffice.org ("Freeware/shareware").  This despite the fact
that I could reach Sourceforge, *.apache.org, etc., and despite the
fact that we use pieces of OO.

So my personal preference would be to at least keep a means of
reaching the forum and wiki via apache.org. Perhaps I'm the only one
with this issue, or perhaps it's relatively rare, but still my take is
that more options is better.

Don

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:42 AM, imacat  wrote:
> Considering forums.openoffice.org altogether, I would vote for
> wiki.openoffice.org instead of wiki.openoffice.apache.org.
>
>  1. The existing community is built on this current host name.  It would
> only confuse the community to change it.  This is especially true that
> we have changed it just recently.
>
>  2. It causes trouble to forward discussion thread URLs, pages when the
> host name is long.
>
> On 2013/01/15 06:12, Rob Weir said:
>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 5:10 PM, janI  wrote:
>>> On Jan 14, 2013 10:52 PM, "Rob Weir"  wrote:

 On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:09 PM, janI  wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I want to inform the community about an ongoing discussion in Infra
> regarding the use of "wiki.openoffice.org" or "
>>> wiki.openoffice.apache.org"
>
> Background: We decided sometime ago to let me upgrade mwiki, which I
>>> did,
> with great help from many in here.
>
> After that there has been a relatively high load on the VM (very
>>> positive)
> and bi-daily kernel panics due to lack of resources.
>
> It was then decided to make a new VM with a new ubuntu, instead of an
> upgrade in place (to get rid of the kernel panic) which I deemed risky
>>> due
> to the state (and documentation) of the installation.
>
> I have completed the work with the new VM, and we were ready to transfer
> the live site.
>
> At that point I learned about plans of using https instead of http.
> Infra-root has a policy that all logins (not only for committers)
>>> should be
> done through https.
>
> Using https, requires a certificate, and the ongoing discussion is
>>> whether
> "*.openoffice.org" is really needed or if "*.openoffice.apache.org"
>>> would
> be ok.
>
> If I have understood the details correctly (sorry for being vague, but I
> have not been able to get a clear answer), the users would address
>>> https:
> wiki.openoffice.org or http:wiki.openoffice.org and get a response as
>>> https:
> ooo-wiki.openoffice.org or https:ooo-wiki.openoffice.apache.org.
>

 IMHO renaming goes in the wrong direction.  I think we should be
 looking to get the entire website on to one domain, either all on
 openoffice.org or all on openoffice.apache.org.   Splitting things up
 is confusing for users, makes extra work for us (and for Infra),
 confuses the hell out of Google Analytics.

 I'd really like to see everything under one domain, including our blog
 and even CWiki (or migrate CWiki over to MWiki).

 That's my ideal.   Is it impossible?
>>> it is highly possible.
>>>
>>> I thought converting cwiki was taken off the table. we discussed it earlier
>>> and said it should be after the upgrade. since then no one on the mwiki
>>> side have volunteered.
>>>
>>
>> Sorry, I didn't mean to convert or migrate now, as part of the present
>> set of activities.  I meant longer term it would be good to get under
>> a single domain.
>>
>> -Rob
>>


> I have written/mailed several times that openoffice.org is a legacy,
>>> very
> important to AOO, and hope it has been understood. The latest discussion
> seems to go in the direction of getting a certificate for openoffice.org
>>> ,
> but there are no guarantees.
>

 Is the issue cost?  We could do a mini-fundraising plea on our
 homepage.  I bet we could raise the necessary funds for the
 certificate.

 Note:  If I understand the security concern with the login, aren't we
 in the same issue with the phpBB forums?  Would a single cert be able
 to cover that as well?  Or do we need one cert per subdomain?
>>>
>>> for some reason there seems to be resistence against wildcard cert, even
>>> though apache.org is a wildcard.
>>>
>>> latest news is that the https discussion has been postponed, so we at least
>>> can get a stable server.

 Regards,

 -Rob




> I have informed infra, that I cannot participate in works that causes a
>>> url
> name change, without having a green light from the AOO community.
>>> Meaning
> that I am now just monitoring what happens and not participating.
>
> I am sorry to have partly caused the current situation, I wanted to
>>> make a
> clean installation to make the VM easier to maintain, had I not done
>>> that,
> the https discussion would problaly never have surfac

Re: OpenOffice thin client edition - why not?

2013-01-18 Thread Donald Whytock

Does VNC allow multiple clients to a single server?  That's one thing
a webapp would be good for.  Plus, with a webapp, you don't need
anything installed on the client machine.  That means you can walk
into a situation with dubious/no network, set up a server and a wifi
hub, and get a bunch of totally off-the-shelf laptops/tablets
operational immediately.

In fact, put the webserver and the app on a stick and the server can
be off-the-shelf too.

I'm thinking seminars, task forces and commuter buses.  And of course home.

Don

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Fernando Cassia  wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Joost Andrae  wrote:
>> More important is the ability to modify documents on the go eg. from a
>> mobile.
>
> Yes, and you can do that with an html5/ajax version hosted "somewhere"
> -you´d need a web server-, or also by logging into your AOO copy at
> home with a VNC client for Android/iPad...
>
> Two approaches for the same solution. VNC is less work so it can be
> done faster. ;)
>
> A new project at SourceForge dubbed VNCSara allows one to encapsulate
> a VNC session on http / https thus passing thru firewalls and NAT...
>
> OK, enough babbling. Food for thought anyway...
> FC

Re: Volunteer

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Alfonso Émbriz  wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm Alfonso Émbriz from León, México. I'm new to ASF but willing to help in
> OO project in all the tasks given to me. I've already added my info to the
> volunteers page.
> I'm interested in user oriented chores such as documentation, localization
> (LA spanish, I'm good at it), tutorials, etc.
> I hope to read from you very soon.
>

Hello Alfonso, and welcome to the Apache OpenOffice project!

We have separate mailing lists for documentation and localization.  If
you are interested in those topics you should join those lists and
introduce yourself.

http://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html

We also have a Spanish language mailing list for the project, at
general...@openoffice.apache.org.

To get started with volunteering, it is good to review the New
Volunteer Orientation modules:
http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html

These help you understand how Apache projects work and the different
parts of the project.

Regards,

-Rob

> SIncerely,
> Alfonso Émbriz

Re: Presenter Screen/Console?

2013-01-18 Thread Pavel Janík

> It should be Presenter Screen.  Presenter Console was an early working title.

So we need something like this:

Index: configure.in
===
--- configure.in(revision 1435113)
+++ configure.in(working copy)
@@ -516,8 +516,8 @@
 AC_ARG_ENABLE(minimizer,
 [  --enable-minimizer  enables the build of the Presentation Minimizer 
extension
 ],,)
-AC_ARG_ENABLE(presenter-console,
-[  --enable-presenter-console  enables the build of the Presenter 
Console extension
+AC_ARG_ENABLE(presenter-screen,
+[  --enable-presenter-screen   enables the build of the Presenter 
Screen extension
 ],,)
 AC_ARG_ENABLE(pdfimport,
 [  --enable-pdfimport  enables the build of the PDF Import extension
@@ -6392,7 +6392,7 @@
 AC_SUBST(ENABLE_MINIMIZER)
 
 AC_MSG_CHECKING([whether to build the Presenter Screen extension])
-if test -n "$enable_presenter_console" -a "$enable_presenter_screen" != "no"; 
then
+if test -n "$enable_presenter_screen" -a "$enable_presenter_screen" != "no"; 
then
AC_MSG_RESULT([yes])
ENABLE_PRESENTER_SCREEN=YES
 else


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Re: Presenter Screen/Console?

On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 18:03:09 +0100
Pavel Janík  wrote:

> > It should be Presenter Screen.  Presenter Console was an early working 
> > title.
> 
> So we need something like this:
> 
> Index: configure.in
> ===
> --- configure.in  (revision 1435113)
> +++ configure.in  (working copy)
> @@ -516,8 +516,8 @@
>  AC_ARG_ENABLE(minimizer,
>  [  --enable-minimizer  enables the build of the Presentation 
> Minimizer extension
>  ],,)
> -AC_ARG_ENABLE(presenter-console,
> -[  --enable-presenter-console  enables the build of the Presenter 
> Console extension
> +AC_ARG_ENABLE(presenter-screen,
> +[  --enable-presenter-screen   enables the build of the Presenter 
> Screen extension
>  ],,)
>  AC_ARG_ENABLE(pdfimport,
>  [  --enable-pdfimport  enables the build of the PDF Import extension
> @@ -6392,7 +6392,7 @@
>  AC_SUBST(ENABLE_MINIMIZER)
>  
>  AC_MSG_CHECKING([whether to build the Presenter Screen extension])
> -if test -n "$enable_presenter_console" -a "$enable_presenter_screen" != 
> "no"; then
> +if test -n "$enable_presenter_screen" -a "$enable_presenter_screen" != "no"; 
> then
> AC_MSG_RESULT([yes])
> ENABLE_PRESENTER_SCREEN=YES
>  else
> 
If work is being done on Presenter Screen/Console, it would be good to kill the 
sound from the Console or give an optional switch whereby it might be killed, 
when a video is being displayed. 

At present, if a video is playing in a slide on the main screen, the same video 
shows on the Console screen, which is as it should be.  Both use the soundtrack 
of the video, mixed together into the sound system of the presenting computer 
with a small delay, giving an irritating "echo".  As far as I remember the 
sound from the console is the delayed element; it could usefully be switched 
off, or perhaps not enabled at all.  


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Re: OpenOffice thin client edition - why not?

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:

>  It wasnt an edition more like a mode, you did $ soffice -net and you can
> have variou users conenected, there was a pertner that even did some Active
> Directory authentication.
> http://openofficetechnology.com/products/OpenOffice-Enterprise
>
>
>
I'm happy this option is being discussed/brought up here. Some older
documentation still references this "-net" option in basically two
different approaches.

The first one is just using a central server install area to install to
many desktops (multi-user installation):

http://www.openoffice.org/docs/setup_guide/mu_install.html

The second bit of information covers what we seem to be discussing here
(network installation, one"runnable" copy, indiviudal user options):

http://www.openoffice.org/installation/proposals/netinstall.html

We've had  few queries about OpenOffice for large installations -- like
1000+ end-users.  A true "network" type approach might be valuable for them.


> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 9:24 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 10:16 PM, Fernando Cassia 
> > wrote:
> > > I remember Sun -or perhaps it was StarDivision- once sold a StarOffice
> > > "network computing" edition, basically what I think it did was install
> > > a OO.o/SO Server on a LAN, and remote users connected -over VNC or
> > > likewise thin-client protocol- via a Java applet in their browsers, to
> > > the StarOffice app.
> > >
> > > So, has anyone played with such a setup in OpenOffice ? Notice I don´t
> > > want to give remote users access to the full desktop or a remote Linux
> > > desktop session, just the application. In other words, what I mean is
> > > the VNC-ization of the OO app...
> > >
> >
> > rollApp appears to do some form of GUI virtualization, but to an iPad:
> >
> > https://www.rollapp.com/OpenOffice
> >
> > The tablet is the new "thin client", yes?
> >
> > They use DropBox and Google Drive as the file stores for user documents.
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> > > Ideally, a server could be set up with each app (Calc, Writer,
> > > Impress) on different tcpip ports so users could start with a new
> > > document directly by using a different URL.
> > >
> > > Perhaps this exists already, I´m not sure. The components to do so
> > > clearly are out there... for instance TightVNC (GPL) has a Java applet
> > > viewer with ssh http://www.tightvnc.com/ssh-java-vnc-viewer.php
> > >
> > > I´m surprised no one has made a ready-made fire and forget installer
> > > for this kind of setup.
> > >
> > > Thoughts? comments? -TIA
> > > FC
> > > --
> > > During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a
> > revolutionary act
> > > Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un
> > > Acto Revolucionario
> > > - George Orwell
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
> http://es.openoffice.org
>



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Re: Fisheye setup?

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Herbert Duerr  wrote:

> Hi Kay,
>
>
> On 17.01.2013 21:15, Kay Schenk wrote:
>
>> On 01/17/2013 04:39 AM, Herbert Duerr wrote:
>>
>>> On 17.01.2013 00:42, Kay Schenk wrote:
>>>
 A week or so ago, fisheye6 just tanked. Now, it's up again, but given
 the size of our svn repository (this includes all branches and web
 sites), I am informed this may take some time (week or so) to regen.

>>>
>>> thanks for the status update! When I saw that their ooo pages where out
>>> of date I checked with ASF infra about our relationship with Atlassian
>>> and then filed 
>>> https://issues.apache.org/**jira/browse/INFRA-5765
>>>
>>> Please update or close this issue if it interferes with what is already
>>> going on.
>>>
>>
>> I don't think I can close this, so if you could, please close this.
>>
>
> Thanks! I closed it: 
> http://s.apache.org/infra5765_**closed
>
>
>  We have fisheye linked on our source page:
>>
>> http://openoffice.apache.org/**source.html
>>
>> I will put a link in to opengrok here as well in just a bit.
>>
>> Something things just need to sort themselves out I guess.
>>
>
> I hope their "sorting this out" plan is still on the right track ;-)
> because it was almost five weeks ago (December 11th) that you mentioned
> your request to them to change their ooo-tracking to our changed
> post-graduation SVN location.
>
> Herbert
>

I can't really answer this. I sent them the new URL a while back ( about 5
weeks as you mention) and just waited to see what would happen.
Um...problems. That's all I know. My main contact has been very courteous
and helpful. Our total repository, as you may know, includes both our web
areas and ALL the code areas, branches, etc. so it's large. And it's busy
24 hours a day it seems. So regeneration will take some time.

So, in summary, I'm sure it's on the right track, but there have been bumps
in the road.



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Re: Adapt the naming of our project deliverables - "OpenOffice.org" --> "Apache OpenOffice"

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Andrew Rist  wrote:

>
> On 1/17/2013 2:45 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 2:23 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann <
>> orwittm...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi,
>>>
>>> I have finished the renaming from "OpenOffice.org" to "Apache OpenOffice"
>>> - see issue 121388.
>>>
>>> Beside corresponding changes in the user interface this change has impact
>>> on the following important and critical stuff:
>>> - folder/directory names
>>> - package names
>>> - Windows registry key names and values
>>> - ...
>>>
>>> As the folder/directory path to the user profile is also changed, the
>>> user
>>> profile of a former installed AOO (or OOo) version is not taken over.
>>>
>>> If possible, please review the changes in your environment/platform.
>>> I am asking especially our community members working on the BSD platform,
>>> Solaris platform and OS/2 platform to have a deeper look.
>>>
>>> minor note:
>>> We are still on version number "3.5.0".
>>> I will work on issue 119977 to adapt the version number to "4.0". I think
>>> I will provide the corresponding patch soon, but I will wait with the
>>> integration in order to have enough time for testing the renaming to
>>> "Apache OpenOffice".
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards, Oliver.
>>>
>>
>> I have a quick question but the issue seems to answer this.
>>
>> This should be included in buildbot output for "trunk" currently, correct?
>>
>> Given Juergen's recent message about tag SNAPSHOT, I'm a bit confused.
>>
>> The buildbot output for linux-32-nightly is working and thus should have
>> output, but the one for linux-32-snapshot is broken.
>>
>
> The snapshot is running on a different box (well, different vm), and I
> think I have something I still need to fix on the new vm.
> Nightly is running ubuntu 12.04 and snapshot is on ubuntu 10.04. Thus the
> snapshot should create 'better' install packages ...
>
>
> A.
>

Andrew --

Thanks for this info. I just wanted to be able to test out the version with
the naming changes and didn't know what I should use -- the output from the
normal Linux-32 bit, or the Linux-32 SNAPSHOT -- and that's why I brought
this up.

>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 23.11.2012 13:04, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi,

 as we had changed our 'project name' from "OpenOffice.org" to "Apache
 OpenOffice" it makes sense to reflect this change also in our source and
 the
 product based on our source.
 We had already made some basic and limited renaming - start center,
 splash
 screen, ... -, but it is not complete.

 May be you remember Armin's work on it for our AOO 3.4 (incubating)
 release on
 branch alg/install. As Armin figured out that the change would be too
 risky, we
 decided to postpone this name adaption to the next major release.
 Thus, I decided to pick up this issue with the goal to solve it for our
 next
 coming major release.

 As there are certain different usages of the name and its variants -
 e.g.,
 visible name of the product, name of the installation directory, ... -
 which
 impacts quite different areas of our project help is very welcome here.

 I will start with investigating Armin's work and documenting the
 different usages.

 Best regards, Oliver.

>>
>

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Re: Mwiki possible name change.

2013-01-18 Thread 依瑪貓

On 2013/01/19 00:24, Donald Whytock said:
> FWIW, my company for the longest time firewall-blocked anything of the
> form *.openoffice.org ("Freeware/shareware").  This despite the fact
> that I could reach Sourceforge, *.apache.org, etc., and despite the
> fact that we use pieces of OO.
> 
> So my personal preference would be to at least keep a means of
> reaching the forum and wiki via apache.org. Perhaps I'm the only one
> with this issue, or perhaps it's relatively rare, but still my take is
> that more options is better.

You may try ooo-wiki.apache.org and ooo-forums.apache.org instead.
These two host names are not redirected to wiki.openoffice.org and
forums.openoffice.org.

> 
> Don
> 
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:42 AM, imacat  wrote:
>> Considering forums.openoffice.org altogether, I would vote for
>> wiki.openoffice.org instead of wiki.openoffice.apache.org.
>>
>>  1. The existing community is built on this current host name.  It would
>> only confuse the community to change it.  This is especially true that
>> we have changed it just recently.
>>
>>  2. It causes trouble to forward discussion thread URLs, pages when the
>> host name is long.
>>
>> On 2013/01/15 06:12, Rob Weir said:
>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 5:10 PM, janI  wrote:
 On Jan 14, 2013 10:52 PM, "Rob Weir"  wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:09 PM, janI  wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> I want to inform the community about an ongoing discussion in Infra
>> regarding the use of "wiki.openoffice.org" or "
 wiki.openoffice.apache.org"
>>
>> Background: We decided sometime ago to let me upgrade mwiki, which I
 did,
>> with great help from many in here.
>>
>> After that there has been a relatively high load on the VM (very
 positive)
>> and bi-daily kernel panics due to lack of resources.
>>
>> It was then decided to make a new VM with a new ubuntu, instead of an
>> upgrade in place (to get rid of the kernel panic) which I deemed risky
 due
>> to the state (and documentation) of the installation.
>>
>> I have completed the work with the new VM, and we were ready to transfer
>> the live site.
>>
>> At that point I learned about plans of using https instead of http.
>> Infra-root has a policy that all logins (not only for committers)
 should be
>> done through https.
>>
>> Using https, requires a certificate, and the ongoing discussion is
 whether
>> "*.openoffice.org" is really needed or if "*.openoffice.apache.org"
 would
>> be ok.
>>
>> If I have understood the details correctly (sorry for being vague, but I
>> have not been able to get a clear answer), the users would address
 https:
>> wiki.openoffice.org or http:wiki.openoffice.org and get a response as
 https:
>> ooo-wiki.openoffice.org or https:ooo-wiki.openoffice.apache.org.
>>
>
> IMHO renaming goes in the wrong direction.  I think we should be
> looking to get the entire website on to one domain, either all on
> openoffice.org or all on openoffice.apache.org.   Splitting things up
> is confusing for users, makes extra work for us (and for Infra),
> confuses the hell out of Google Analytics.
>
> I'd really like to see everything under one domain, including our blog
> and even CWiki (or migrate CWiki over to MWiki).
>
> That's my ideal.   Is it impossible?
 it is highly possible.

 I thought converting cwiki was taken off the table. we discussed it earlier
 and said it should be after the upgrade. since then no one on the mwiki
 side have volunteered.

>>>
>>> Sorry, I didn't mean to convert or migrate now, as part of the present
>>> set of activities.  I meant longer term it would be good to get under
>>> a single domain.
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>
>
>> I have written/mailed several times that openoffice.org is a legacy,
 very
>> important to AOO, and hope it has been understood. The latest discussion
>> seems to go in the direction of getting a certificate for openoffice.org
 ,
>> but there are no guarantees.
>>
>
> Is the issue cost?  We could do a mini-fundraising plea on our
> homepage.  I bet we could raise the necessary funds for the
> certificate.
>
> Note:  If I understand the security concern with the login, aren't we
> in the same issue with the phpBB forums?  Would a single cert be able
> to cover that as well?  Or do we need one cert per subdomain?

 for some reason there seems to be resistence against wildcard cert, even
 though apache.org is a wildcard.

 latest news is that the https discussion has been postponed, so we at least
 can get a stable server.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>
>
>
>> I have informed infra, that I cannot participate in works that causes a
 url
>> name change, without having a green light

Re: Mwiki possible name change.

2013-01-18 Thread janI

On 18 January 2013 19:25, 依瑪貓  wrote:

> On 2013/01/19 00:24, Donald Whytock said:
> > FWIW, my company for the longest time firewall-blocked anything of the
> > form *.openoffice.org ("Freeware/shareware").  This despite the fact
> > that I could reach Sourceforge, *.apache.org, etc., and despite the
> > fact that we use pieces of OO.
> >
> > So my personal preference would be to at least keep a means of
> > reaching the forum and wiki via apache.org. Perhaps I'm the only one
> > with this issue, or perhaps it's relatively rare, but still my take is
> > that more options is better.
>
> You may try ooo-wiki.apache.org and ooo-forums.apache.org instead.
> These two host names are not redirected to wiki.openoffice.org and
> forums.openoffice.org.
>
Did you mean that ? both are redirected !

rgds
Jan I.

>
> >
> > Don
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:42 AM, imacat 
> wrote:
> >> Considering forums.openoffice.org altogether, I would vote for
> >> wiki.openoffice.org instead of wiki.openoffice.apache.org.
> >>
> >>  1. The existing community is built on this current host name.  It would
> >> only confuse the community to change it.  This is especially true that
> >> we have changed it just recently.
> >>
> >>  2. It causes trouble to forward discussion thread URLs, pages when the
> >> host name is long.
> >>
> >> On 2013/01/15 06:12, Rob Weir said:
> >>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 5:10 PM, janI  wrote:
>  On Jan 14, 2013 10:52 PM, "Rob Weir"  wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:09 PM, janI  wrote:
> >> Hi.
> >>
> >> I want to inform the community about an ongoing discussion in Infra
> >> regarding the use of "wiki.openoffice.org" or "
>  wiki.openoffice.apache.org"
> >>
> >> Background: We decided sometime ago to let me upgrade mwiki, which I
>  did,
> >> with great help from many in here.
> >>
> >> After that there has been a relatively high load on the VM (very
>  positive)
> >> and bi-daily kernel panics due to lack of resources.
> >>
> >> It was then decided to make a new VM with a new ubuntu, instead of
> an
> >> upgrade in place (to get rid of the kernel panic) which I deemed
> risky
>  due
> >> to the state (and documentation) of the installation.
> >>
> >> I have completed the work with the new VM, and we were ready to
> transfer
> >> the live site.
> >>
> >> At that point I learned about plans of using https instead of http.
> >> Infra-root has a policy that all logins (not only for committers)
>  should be
> >> done through https.
> >>
> >> Using https, requires a certificate, and the ongoing discussion is
>  whether
> >> "*.openoffice.org" is really needed or if "*.openoffice.apache.org"
>  would
> >> be ok.
> >>
> >> If I have understood the details correctly (sorry for being vague,
> but I
> >> have not been able to get a clear answer), the users would address
>  https:
> >> wiki.openoffice.org or http:wiki.openoffice.org and get a response
> as
>  https:
> >> ooo-wiki.openoffice.org or https:ooo-wiki.openoffice.apache.org.
> >>
> >
> > IMHO renaming goes in the wrong direction.  I think we should be
> > looking to get the entire website on to one domain, either all on
> > openoffice.org or all on openoffice.apache.org.   Splitting things
> up
> > is confusing for users, makes extra work for us (and for Infra),
> > confuses the hell out of Google Analytics.
> >
> > I'd really like to see everything under one domain, including our
> blog
> > and even CWiki (or migrate CWiki over to MWiki).
> >
> > That's my ideal.   Is it impossible?
>  it is highly possible.
> 
>  I thought converting cwiki was taken off the table. we discussed it
> earlier
>  and said it should be after the upgrade. since then no one on the
> mwiki
>  side have volunteered.
> 
> >>>
> >>> Sorry, I didn't mean to convert or migrate now, as part of the present
> >>> set of activities.  I meant longer term it would be good to get under
> >>> a single domain.
> >>>
> >>> -Rob
> >>>
> >
> >
> >> I have written/mailed several times that openoffice.org is a
> legacy,
>  very
> >> important to AOO, and hope it has been understood. The latest
> discussion
> >> seems to go in the direction of getting a certificate for
> openoffice.org
>  ,
> >> but there are no guarantees.
> >>
> >
> > Is the issue cost?  We could do a mini-fundraising plea on our
> > homepage.  I bet we could raise the necessary funds for the
> > certificate.
> >
> > Note:  If I understand the security concern with the login, aren't we
> > in the same issue with the phpBB forums?  Would a single cert be able
> > to cover that as well?  Or do we need one cert per subdomain?
> 
>  for some reason there seems to be resistence against wildcard cert,
> eve

Re: Mwiki possible name change.

On 2013/01/19 02:30, janI said:
> On 18 January 2013 19:25, imacat  wrote:
> 
>> On 2013/01/19 00:24, Donald Whytock said:
>>> FWIW, my company for the longest time firewall-blocked anything of the
>>> form *.openoffice.org ("Freeware/shareware").  This despite the fact
>>> that I could reach Sourceforge, *.apache.org, etc., and despite the
>>> fact that we use pieces of OO.
>>>
>>> So my personal preference would be to at least keep a means of
>>> reaching the forum and wiki via apache.org. Perhaps I'm the only one
>>> with this issue, or perhaps it's relatively rare, but still my take is
>>> that more options is better.
>>
>> You may try ooo-wiki.apache.org and ooo-forums.apache.org instead.
>> These two host names are not redirected to wiki.openoffice.org and
>> forums.openoffice.org.
>>
> Did you mean that ? both are redirected !

I thought I was making mistakes, so I tried again.  Only
user.services.openoffice.org and wiki.services.openoffice.org are
redirected to forums.openoffice.org and wiki.openoffice.org,
respectively.  All other host names, if exist (and yes they exist), are
not redirected.

The DNS are pointed to the same IP.  I mean the URLs (where httpd
deal with) are redirected or not redirected.

Technically, only when the value in the "Host:" header in the HTTP
request are either user.services.openoffice.org or
wiki.services.openoffice.org, the request will be redirected.  All other
value in the "Host:" header in the HTTP request are kept intact.

> 
> rgds
> Jan I.
> 
>>
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:42 AM, imacat 
>> wrote:
 Considering forums.openoffice.org altogether, I would vote for
 wiki.openoffice.org instead of wiki.openoffice.apache.org.

  1. The existing community is built on this current host name.  It would
 only confuse the community to change it.  This is especially true that
 we have changed it just recently.

  2. It causes trouble to forward discussion thread URLs, pages when the
 host name is long.

 On 2013/01/15 06:12, Rob Weir said:
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 5:10 PM, janI  wrote:
>> On Jan 14, 2013 10:52 PM, "Rob Weir"  wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:09 PM, janI  wrote:
 Hi.

 I want to inform the community about an ongoing discussion in Infra
 regarding the use of "wiki.openoffice.org" or "
>> wiki.openoffice.apache.org"

 Background: We decided sometime ago to let me upgrade mwiki, which I
>> did,
 with great help from many in here.

 After that there has been a relatively high load on the VM (very
>> positive)
 and bi-daily kernel panics due to lack of resources.

 It was then decided to make a new VM with a new ubuntu, instead of
>> an
 upgrade in place (to get rid of the kernel panic) which I deemed
>> risky
>> due
 to the state (and documentation) of the installation.

 I have completed the work with the new VM, and we were ready to
>> transfer
 the live site.

 At that point I learned about plans of using https instead of http.
 Infra-root has a policy that all logins (not only for committers)
>> should be
 done through https.

 Using https, requires a certificate, and the ongoing discussion is
>> whether
 "*.openoffice.org" is really needed or if "*.openoffice.apache.org"
>> would
 be ok.

 If I have understood the details correctly (sorry for being vague,
>> but I
 have not been able to get a clear answer), the users would address
>> https:
 wiki.openoffice.org or http:wiki.openoffice.org and get a response
>> as
>> https:
 ooo-wiki.openoffice.org or https:ooo-wiki.openoffice.apache.org.

>>>
>>> IMHO renaming goes in the wrong direction.  I think we should be
>>> looking to get the entire website on to one domain, either all on
>>> openoffice.org or all on openoffice.apache.org.   Splitting things
>> up
>>> is confusing for users, makes extra work for us (and for Infra),
>>> confuses the hell out of Google Analytics.
>>>
>>> I'd really like to see everything under one domain, including our
>> blog
>>> and even CWiki (or migrate CWiki over to MWiki).
>>>
>>> That's my ideal.   Is it impossible?
>> it is highly possible.
>>
>> I thought converting cwiki was taken off the table. we discussed it
>> earlier
>> and said it should be after the upgrade. since then no one on the
>> mwiki
>> side have volunteered.
>>
>
> Sorry, I didn't mean to convert or migrate now, as part of the present
> set of activities.  I meant longer term it would be good to get under
> a single domain.
>
> -Rob
>
>>>
>>>
 I have written/mailed several times that openoffice.org is a
>> legacy,
>>>

Good user feedback on the Community Forum (blog)

I posted the link to the EN forum as well:

http://macforester.blogspot.com/2013/01/a-shout-out-to-web-community.html

-Rob

What to do with confirmed bugs?

I just did a tally of new volunteers who introduced themselves onto
the QA mailing list since January 1st.  It came to a nice round
number.   We have 50 new QA volunteers, in just the first two week of
January!

A good number have made it through the orientation modules, have a
Bugzilla account and are starting to review bug reports.  We're hoping
to clear out the backlog of unconfirmed bugs.  We've cleared out
around 100 of them in the last week.

So how do we want confirmed bugs to get assigned to developers?  In
the old days, I think we had default assignments for different
components.  Does that make sense here?  Or do we want to use a view
or report of confirmed defects, ordered by severity?

Also, are we still using/looking at votes on bugs?  Was that an
effective way of prioritizing?

-Rob

Re: Mwiki possible name change.

2013-01-18 Thread janI

On 18 January 2013 19:39, imacat  wrote:

> On 2013/01/19 02:30, janI said:
> > On 18 January 2013 19:25, imacat  wrote:
> >
> >> On 2013/01/19 00:24, Donald Whytock said:
> >>> FWIW, my company for the longest time firewall-blocked anything of the
> >>> form *.openoffice.org ("Freeware/shareware").  This despite the fact
> >>> that I could reach Sourceforge, *.apache.org, etc., and despite the
> >>> fact that we use pieces of OO.
> >>>
> >>> So my personal preference would be to at least keep a means of
> >>> reaching the forum and wiki via apache.org. Perhaps I'm the only one
> >>> with this issue, or perhaps it's relatively rare, but still my take is
> >>> that more options is better.
> >>
> >> You may try ooo-wiki.apache.org and ooo-forums.apache.org instead.
> >> These two host names are not redirected to wiki.openoffice.org and
> >> forums.openoffice.org.
> >>
> > Did you mean that ? both are redirected !
>
> I thought I was making mistakes, so I tried again.  Only
> user.services.openoffice.org and wiki.services.openoffice.org are
> redirected to forums.openoffice.org and wiki.openoffice.org,
> respectively.  All other host names, if exist (and yes they exist), are
> not redirected.
>
> The DNS are pointed to the same IP.  I mean the URLs (where httpd
> deal with) are redirected or not redirected.
>
I just tried ooo-wiki.apache.org again, without cache and gets response
from wiki.openoffice.org.

It is correct though that ooo-forums.apache.org comes with a page, and if I
try forums.openoffice.org then I am redirected to
http://www.openoffice.org/projects/forums/ which does not exist. I am sure
you have a typo there and mean forum.openoffice.org which works.

As part of the change to wiki2-vm, the url-request goes through a common
proxy server, and there some of the old names have not been activated, one
of infra checked each of the names.

Technically, only when the value in the "Host:" header in the HTTP
> request are either user.services.openoffice.org or
> wiki.services.openoffice.org, the request will be redirected.  All other
> value in the "Host:" header in the HTTP request are kept intact.
>
? This does not match the http conf on wiki2 ? Is this information new ?

if you make  a nslookup, you will see that ooo-wiki.apache.org still goes
directly to the vm.

The header should hopefully not be modified, at least that was what we
tested yesterday, but the proxy sends the request to a new address
(ooo-wiki2).

As a sidenote, we also have wikitest.openoffice.org active.



> >
> > rgds
> > Jan I.
> >
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Don
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:42 AM, imacat 
> >> wrote:
>  Considering forums.openoffice.org altogether, I would vote for
>  wiki.openoffice.org instead of wiki.openoffice.apache.org.
> 
>   1. The existing community is built on this current host name.  It
> would
>  only confuse the community to change it.  This is especially true that
>  we have changed it just recently.
> 
>   2. It causes trouble to forward discussion thread URLs, pages when
> the
>  host name is long.
> 
>  On 2013/01/15 06:12, Rob Weir said:
> > On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 5:10 PM, janI  wrote:
> >> On Jan 14, 2013 10:52 PM, "Rob Weir"  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:09 PM, janI  wrote:
>  Hi.
> 
>  I want to inform the community about an ongoing discussion in
> Infra
>  regarding the use of "wiki.openoffice.org" or "
> >> wiki.openoffice.apache.org"
> 
>  Background: We decided sometime ago to let me upgrade mwiki,
> which I
> >> did,
>  with great help from many in here.
> 
>  After that there has been a relatively high load on the VM (very
> >> positive)
>  and bi-daily kernel panics due to lack of resources.
> 
>  It was then decided to make a new VM with a new ubuntu, instead of
> >> an
>  upgrade in place (to get rid of the kernel panic) which I deemed
> >> risky
> >> due
>  to the state (and documentation) of the installation.
> 
>  I have completed the work with the new VM, and we were ready to
> >> transfer
>  the live site.
> 
>  At that point I learned about plans of using https instead of
> http.
>  Infra-root has a policy that all logins (not only for committers)
> >> should be
>  done through https.
> 
>  Using https, requires a certificate, and the ongoing discussion is
> >> whether
>  "*.openoffice.org" is really needed or if "*.
> openoffice.apache.org"
> >> would
>  be ok.
> 
>  If I have understood the details correctly (sorry for being vague,
> >> but I
>  have not been able to get a clear answer), the users would address
> >> https:
>  wiki.openoffice.org or http:wiki.openoffice.org and get a
> response
> >> as
> >> https:
> >

not using system apr, serf...

2013-01-18 Thread Pavel Janík

Hi,

how are internal apr and apr-util and serf designed to work together? Can they 
work together at all?

apr is producing apr-1-config in solver.

serf is using apr-config...

-- 
Pavel Janík

Re: Mwiki possible name change.

於 2013年01月19日 03:25, janI 提到:
> On 18 January 2013 19:39, imacat  wrote:
> 
>> On 2013/01/19 02:30, janI said:
>>> On 18 January 2013 19:25, imacat  wrote:
>>>
 On 2013/01/19 00:24, Donald Whytock said:
> FWIW, my company for the longest time firewall-blocked anything of the
> form *.openoffice.org ("Freeware/shareware").  This despite the fact
> that I could reach Sourceforge, *.apache.org, etc., and despite the
> fact that we use pieces of OO.
>
> So my personal preference would be to at least keep a means of
> reaching the forum and wiki via apache.org. Perhaps I'm the only one
> with this issue, or perhaps it's relatively rare, but still my take is
> that more options is better.

 You may try ooo-wiki.apache.org and ooo-forums.apache.org instead.
 These two host names are not redirected to wiki.openoffice.org and
 forums.openoffice.org.

>>> Did you mean that ? both are redirected !
>>
>> I thought I was making mistakes, so I tried again.  Only
>> user.services.openoffice.org and wiki.services.openoffice.org are
>> redirected to forums.openoffice.org and wiki.openoffice.org,
>> respectively.  All other host names, if exist (and yes they exist), are
>> not redirected.
>>
>> The DNS are pointed to the same IP.  I mean the URLs (where httpd
>> deal with) are redirected or not redirected.
>>
> I just tried ooo-wiki.apache.org again, without cache and gets response
> from wiki.openoffice.org.
> 
> It is correct though that ooo-forums.apache.org comes with a page, and if I
> try forums.openoffice.org then I am redirected to
> http://www.openoffice.org/projects/forums/ which does not exist. I am sure
> you have a typo there and mean forum.openoffice.org which works.
> 
> As part of the change to wiki2-vm, the url-request goes through a common
> proxy server, and there some of the old names have not been activated, one
> of infra checked each of the names.

Ouch, you are right. ^^;  Thank you for updating information.

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Re: Good user feedback on the Community Forum (blog)

2013-01-18 Thread Marcus (OOo)


Am 01/18/2013 07:43 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:

I posted the link to the EN forum as well:

http://macforester.blogspot.com/2013/01/a-shout-out-to-web-community.html


great find. Reads really like a big compliment to the voluteers that do 
invalueable work in all user and support forums in general.


Marcus

Re: An annoying autocorrect

2013-01-18 Thread Hagar Delest


Hi,

See: http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=5777

Hagar


Le 18/01/2013 21:33, Megan Pedone a écrit :



I don't think it's a bug, and I don't want to subscribe to anything to report it, but it's incredibly 
frustrating that the only way I could use "i.e." in my document was to cut and paste it from a 
different word-processing program.  No matter what I tried in the auto-correct, it insisted on capitalizing 
the initial "i."  And "i.e." was even in the list of abbreviations!

Gaaah!

Thanks much,
Demian

Re: Good user feedback on the Community Forum (blog)

2013-01-18 Thread Hagar Delest


Thanks for posting the link (in the forum too)!

Hagar

Le 18/01/2013 19:43, Rob Weir a écrit :


I posted the link to the EN forum as well:

http://macforester.blogspot.com/2013/01/a-shout-out-to-web-community.html

-Rob

Re: OpenOffice thin client edition - why not?

On 18 January 2013 17:41, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:
>
>>  It wasnt an edition more like a mode, you did $ soffice -net and you can
>> have variou users conenected, there was a pertner that even did some Active
>> Directory authentication.
>> http://openofficetechnology.com/products/OpenOffice-Enterprise
>>
>>
>>
> I'm happy this option is being discussed/brought up here. Some older
> documentation still references this "-net" option in basically two
> different approaches.
>
> The first one is just using a central server install area to install to
> many desktops (multi-user installation):
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/docs/setup_guide/mu_install.html
>
> The second bit of information covers what we seem to be discussing here
> (network installation, one"runnable" copy, indiviudal user options):
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/installation/proposals/netinstall.html
>
> We've had  few queries about OpenOffice for large installations -- like
> 1000+ end-users.  A true "network" type approach might be valuable for them.

Without easy set up on many clients we can forget the schools market.
The easier it is to access without having specialist technical support
the more likely mass take up. Here in the UK there are about 3500 high
schools with an average of about 800 users each. Similar number but
more fragmented in primary schools. There is a big shift taking place
to mobile technologies and a great opportunity. However, schools want
to support mobile technologies, byod, flipped classrooms etc, the
innovator/early adopters are not going to simply substitute one
desktop office suite for another. What they want is software that
supports their new way of working and things like collaborative
spreadsheets where several people can work on the same model
concurrently have significant educational advantage. Actually it has
business advantage too - I regularly share models like this in Google
with colleagues in several other countries. Desktop Excel and Calc are
simply not an option.
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Re: An annoying autocorrect

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Hagar Delest  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> See: http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=5777
>

Another solution is to always follow with a comma, which is called for
in many style guides, as in:

The accused was released on his personal recognizance, i.e.,  without bail.

When I type that, the "i" is capitalized, but then returns to lower
case after a comma is typed.

-Rob



> Hagar
>
>
> Le 18/01/2013 21:33, Megan Pedone a écrit :
>
>
>>
>> I don't think it's a bug, and I don't want to subscribe to anything to
>> report it, but it's incredibly frustrating that the only way I could use
>> "i.e." in my document was to cut and paste it from a different
>> word-processing program.  No matter what I tried in the auto-correct, it
>> insisted on capitalizing the initial "i."  And "i.e." was even in the list
>> of abbreviations!
>>
>> Gaaah!
>>
>> Thanks much,
>> Demian
>>
>>
>

Re: An annoying autocorrect

On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 21:40:44 +0100
Hagar Delest  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> See: http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=5777
> 
> Hagar
> 
> 
> Le 18/01/2013 21:33, Megan Pedone a écrit :
> 
> >
> > I don't think it's a bug, and I don't want to subscribe to anything to 
> > report it, but it's incredibly frustrating that the only way I could use 
> > "i.e." in my document was to cut and paste it from a different 
> > word-processing program.  No matter what I tried in the auto-correct, it 
> > insisted on capitalizing the initial "i."  And "i.e." was even in the list 
> > of abbreviations!
> >
> > Gaaah!
> >
> > Thanks much,
> > Demian
> >  

An alternate way is /Format /Autocorrect Options : Replace tab.  Enter I.e.in 
the Replace box and .i.e. in the With box.  Then your typed .i.e. will be 
changed (as you say) to I.e. and automagically changed back to i.e.  Also, any 
I.e. you may mistakenly type will be corrected.


-- 
Rory O'Farrell

Re: An annoying autocorrect

My previous reply sent separately to the OP. 

I should set my email options to default to 2Reply to All".

-- 
Rory O'Farrell

Re: What to do with confirmed bugs?

2013-01-18 Thread Albino Biasutti Neto

Hi

2013/1/18 Rob Weir :
> I just did a tally of new volunteers who introduced themselves onto
> the QA mailing list since January 1st.  It came to a nice round
> number.   We have 50 new QA volunteers, in just the first two week of
> January!

So good ! :-)

Albino
www.techbino.net

Re: What to do with confirmed bugs?

2013-01-18 Thread Regina Henschel


Hi Rob,

Rob Weir schrieb:

I just did a tally of new volunteers who introduced themselves onto
the QA mailing list since January 1st.  It came to a nice round
number.   We have 50 new QA volunteers, in just the first two week of
January!

A good number have made it through the orientation modules, have a
Bugzilla account and are starting to review bug reports.  We're hoping
to clear out the backlog of unconfirmed bugs.  We've cleared out
around 100 of them in the last week.


I have noticed your guidance for the new QA volunteers. A great and 
important work!




So how do we want confirmed bugs to get assigned to developers?


Not at all. There is the "take" link. If a developer is really working 
on it, he assigns the bug to himself. Otherwise a volunteer does not 
know, whether he can take a bug and try to solve it. Besides the cases, 
when someone is told from his employer to do something, we are all 
volunteers and nobody can "assign" work to someone else.


In old days bugs were assigned to workers of Sun, if the bug belongs to 
their area of work, later to a default, collecting address of that area 
of work. Both do not work. There are now thousands of bugs, which are 
assigned to persons, who are no longer working on OpenOffice at all.


  In

the old days, I think we had default assignments for different
components.  Does that make sense here?  Or do we want to use a view
or report of confirmed defects, ordered by severity?


The "release stopper" bugs had work quite well. QA people or committer 
nominate a bug by making a dependence there. If there are objections, it 
can be discussed on mailing list and the dependence can be removed if 
required. Every developer can track this issue and take a nominated bug. 
Whether such bug is empty or not, can influence the decision, to 
nominate a build for release to the Apache board.




Also, are we still using/looking at votes on bugs?  Was that an
effective way of prioritizing?


It was the only way for users to get a little bit influence on the 
decision, which feature will be implemented and what changes will be 
made. Now it might help those, who come and say "I want to help in 
development, but do not know in which area to work." Unfortunately it is 
no longer possible to select "vote" as column and sort on it. Can you 
enable that?


Kind regards
Regina

Re: Mwiki possible name change.

2013-01-18 Thread Andrea Pescetti

janI wrote:
 On 2013/01/19 00:24, Donald Whytock said:
> FWIW, my company for the longest time firewall-blocked anything of the
> form *.openoffice.org ("Freeware/shareware").  This despite the fact
> that I could reach Sourceforge, *.apache.org, etc., and despite the
> fact that we use pieces of OO.
> I just tried ooo-wiki.apache.org again, without cache and gets response
> from wiki.openoffice.org.

I've tried now and for people who cannot access *.openoffice.org we have:

Main site: http://ooo-site.apache.org/
Forum: http://ooo-forum.apache.org

In both cases requests are NOT redirected, so they will work if the
company blocks *.openoffice.org.

About the wiki, I confirm what Jan wrote: we also have

Wiki: http://ooo-wiki.apache.org

but in this case it is redirected to wiki.openoffice.org so it won't
work behind that company firewall.

Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: What to do with confirmed bugs?

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Regina Henschel
 wrote:
> Hi Rob,
>
> Rob Weir schrieb:
>
>> I just did a tally of new volunteers who introduced themselves onto
>> the QA mailing list since January 1st.  It came to a nice round
>> number.   We have 50 new QA volunteers, in just the first two week of
>> January!
>>
>> A good number have made it through the orientation modules, have a
>> Bugzilla account and are starting to review bug reports.  We're hoping
>> to clear out the backlog of unconfirmed bugs.  We've cleared out
>> around 100 of them in the last week.
>
>
> I have noticed your guidance for the new QA volunteers. A great and
> important work!
>
>
>>
>> So how do we want confirmed bugs to get assigned to developers?
>
>
> Not at all. There is the "take" link. If a developer is really working on
> it, he assigns the bug to himself. Otherwise a volunteer does not know,
> whether he can take a bug and try to solve it. Besides the cases, when
> someone is told from his employer to do something, we are all volunteers and
> nobody can "assign" work to someone else.
>
> In old days bugs were assigned to workers of Sun, if the bug belongs to
> their area of work, later to a default, collecting address of that area of
> work. Both do not work. There are now thousands of bugs, which are assigned
> to persons, who are no longer working on OpenOffice at all.
>

I don't mean "assign" in that sense.  I mean more like, how do
developers become aware of which bugs to self-assign?   We have
something like 1 confirmed defect reports.  This is not a small
project where every developer can be expected to be aware of every
report, and decide if they want to work on it.  We need to assume that
the vast majority of bugs are unknown to most developers.

I suppose someone could decide, "I am interested in looking at
spreadsheet formulas today" and search specifically for those.

Hmmm... How about a Bayesian classifier that looks at metadata for
bugs you've fixed in the best and recommends which ones you might be
interested in

>
>   In
>>
>> the old days, I think we had default assignments for different
>> components.  Does that make sense here?  Or do we want to use a view
>> or report of confirmed defects, ordered by severity?
>
>
> The "release stopper" bugs had work quite well. QA people or committer
> nominate a bug by making a dependence there. If there are objections, it can
> be discussed on mailing list and the dependence can be removed if required.
> Every developer can track this issue and take a nominated bug. Whether such
> bug is empty or not, can influence the decision, to nominate a build for
> release to the Apache board.
>

Yes, that can work up to a certain scale.  But doing mailing list
discussions of individual showstopper bugs implies that
non-showstoppers bugs are handled some other way.

1 confirmed bugs.  And another 3000 unconfirmed.  What to do?

>
>>
>> Also, are we still using/looking at votes on bugs?  Was that an
>> effective way of prioritizing?
>
>
> It was the only way for users to get a little bit influence on the decision,
> which feature will be implemented and what changes will be made. Now it
> might help those, who come and say "I want to help in development, but do
> not know in which area to work." Unfortunately it is no longer possible to
> select "vote" as column and sort on it. Can you enable that?
>

I did look for that in the admin settings, but could not find it.
Searched online and it suggested it was a non-default column but you
could get to it by customizing columns at the bottom of search
results.  But that column is not listed.

> Kind regards
> Regina

Re: OpenOffice thin client edition - why not?

2013-01-18 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts


On 13-01-18, at 15:48 , Ian Lynch  wrote:

> On 18 January 2013 17:41, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:
>> 
>>> It wasnt an edition more like a mode, you did $ soffice -net and you can
>>> have variou users conenected, there was a pertner that even did some Active
>>> Directory authentication.
>>> http://openofficetechnology.com/products/OpenOffice-Enterprise
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> I'm happy this option is being discussed/brought up here. Some older
>> documentation still references this "-net" option in basically two
>> different approaches.
>> 
>> The first one is just using a central server install area to install to
>> many desktops (multi-user installation):
>> 
>> http://www.openoffice.org/docs/setup_guide/mu_install.html
>> 
>> The second bit of information covers what we seem to be discussing here
>> (network installation, one"runnable" copy, indiviudal user options):
>> 
>> http://www.openoffice.org/installation/proposals/netinstall.html
>> 
>> We've had  few queries about OpenOffice for large installations -- like
>> 1000+ end-users.  A true "network" type approach might be valuable for them.
> 
> Without easy set up on many clients we can forget the schools market.
> The easier it is to access without having specialist technical support
> the more likely mass take up. Here in the UK there are about 3500 high
> schools with an average of about 800 users each. Similar number but
> more fragmented in primary schools. There is a big shift taking place
> to mobile technologies and a great opportunity. However, schools want
> to support mobile technologies, byod, flipped classrooms etc, the
> innovator/early adopters are not going to simply substitute one
> desktop office suite for another. What they want is software that
> supports their new way of working and things like collaborative
> spreadsheets where several people can work on the same model
> concurrently have significant educational advantage. Actually it has
> business advantage too - I regularly share models like this in Google
> with colleagues in several other countries. Desktop Excel and Calc are
> simply not an option.

I'm working on this and others are too. Others include some very good others. 
I'm the management type and the community coordinator type.

But what Ian says is true. (Unlike everything else he says—no, I mean that 
about Lance!)

Cheers
louis
> -- 
> Ian
> 
> Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications
> 
> Headline points in the 2014 and 2015 school league tables
> 
> www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940
> 
> The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth,
> Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and
> Wales.

Re: [CMS PATCH] [Iteration 1] Social Media Integration: Download Page

2013-01-18 Thread Marcus (OOo)

Am 01/18/2013 03:30 AM, schrieb Rob Weir:

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:

Am 01/17/2013 05:28 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:

Thanks for the patch. I'll review and commit.

Even when the patch came a bit surprisingly, it looks quite nice. And still
some space for additions like text or just more icons + links.

Sorry about that. We've been working on this on the marketing list
for around a month. A new volunteer prototyped 4 variations of the
page, with different placement and wording for the "sharing" links.
We then did a controlled experiment using Google Analytics to see
which variation yielded the most shares. That test ran for 2 weeks
and the patch you see was to put the winning design into production.

thats interesting.

Since not everyone is on the marketing list, in the future we should
update the dev list on what we are proposing before implementing it.

Yes, just tell what is planned and which proposal seems to make most
sense and should be implemented.

Me bad.

No problem. I'm looking a bit closer to areas of our website that are a
bit more important than others ( the root page, download and so on) and
shouldn't be changed too often. You know, more changes --> more possible
problems. ;-)

The blue graphic is well fitting. Just curious, was the graphic
"/download/cachedimages/button-lightblue.png" already existing in SVN or is
it new?

It is new.

Let's see if it will help to spread AOO into the world better.

We should get around 100 shares per day. If each person has maybe 50
people in the social network (on average) then that is 5,000 extra
people who may hear about AOO each day. And since they are hearing an
endorsement from someone they know, the effect can be quite powerful.

-Rob

Marcus

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Anonymous CMS User
wrote:

Clone URL (Committers only):

https://cms.apache.org/redirect?new=anonymous;action=diff;uri=http://ooo-site.apache.org/download%2F

Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com

Hello submitting this change to allow users to 'share' the download page
on social media sites AOO currently has profiles on.

Please see "[Iteration 1] Social Media Integration" thread in marketing
mailing list for full details how this change came about or contact Rob Weir
or myself.

First time committer, let me know if I'm doing something wrong.

Thanks!

Re: [CMS PATCH] [Iteration 1] Social Media Integration: Download Page

2013-01-18 Thread Marcus (OOo)

Am 01/18/2013 03:34 AM, schrieb Rob Weir:

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 9:30 PM, Rob Weir wrote:

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:

Am 01/17/2013 05:28 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:

Thanks for the patch. I'll review and commit.

Even when the patch came a bit surprisingly, it looks quite nice. And still
some space for additions like text or just more icons + links.

Sorry about that. We've been working on this on the marketing list
for around a month. A new volunteer prototyped 4 variations of the

Oh, I should mention that the new volunteer (Samer Mansour) is now
working on some prototype designs to integrate like/follow links into
the homepage.

Here we have already the "I want to stay in touch with OpenOffice"
section. Let's see how he want this to improve.

Marcus

page, with different placement and wording for the "sharing" links.
We then did a controlled experiment using Google Analytics to see
which variation yielded the most shares. That test ran for 2 weeks
and the patch you see was to put the winning design into production.

Since not everyone is on the marketing list, in the future we should
update the dev list on what we are proposing before implementing it.
Me bad.

The blue graphic is well fitting. Just curious, was the graphic
"/download/cachedimages/button-lightblue.png" already existing in SVN or is
it new?

It is new.

Let's see if it will help to spread AOO into the world better.

-Rob

Marcus

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Anonymous CMS User
wrote:

Clone URL (Committers only):

https://cms.apache.org/redirect?new=anonymous;action=diff;uri=http://ooo-site.apache.org/download%2F

Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com

Hello submitting this change to allow users to 'share' the download page
on social media sites AOO currently has profiles on.

Please see "[Iteration 1] Social Media Integration" thread in marketing
mailing list for full details how this change came about or contact Rob Weir
or myself.

First time committer, let me know if I'm doing something wrong.

Thanks!

Re: OpenOffice thin client edition - why not?

On 18 January 2013 22:16, Louis Suárez-Potts  wrote:
>
> On 13-01-18, at 15:48 , Ian Lynch  wrote:
>
>> On 18 January 2013 17:41, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:
>>>
 It wasnt an edition more like a mode, you did $ soffice -net and you can
 have variou users conenected, there was a pertner that even did some Active
 Directory authentication.
 http://openofficetechnology.com/products/OpenOffice-Enterprise



>>> I'm happy this option is being discussed/brought up here. Some older
>>> documentation still references this "-net" option in basically two
>>> different approaches.
>>>
>>> The first one is just using a central server install area to install to
>>> many desktops (multi-user installation):
>>>
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/docs/setup_guide/mu_install.html
>>>
>>> The second bit of information covers what we seem to be discussing here
>>> (network installation, one"runnable" copy, indiviudal user options):
>>>
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/installation/proposals/netinstall.html
>>>
>>> We've had  few queries about OpenOffice for large installations -- like
>>> 1000+ end-users.  A true "network" type approach might be valuable for them.
>>
>> Without easy set up on many clients we can forget the schools market.
>> The easier it is to access without having specialist technical support
>> the more likely mass take up. Here in the UK there are about 3500 high
>> schools with an average of about 800 users each. Similar number but
>> more fragmented in primary schools. There is a big shift taking place
>> to mobile technologies and a great opportunity. However, schools want
>> to support mobile technologies, byod, flipped classrooms etc, the
>> innovator/early adopters are not going to simply substitute one
>> desktop office suite for another. What they want is software that
>> supports their new way of working and things like collaborative
>> spreadsheets where several people can work on the same model
>> concurrently have significant educational advantage. Actually it has
>> business advantage too - I regularly share models like this in Google
>> with colleagues in several other countries. Desktop Excel and Calc are
>> simply not an option.
>
> I'm working on this and others are too. Others include some very good others. 
> I'm the management type and the community coordinator type.
>
> But what Ian says is true. (Unlike everything else he says—no, I mean that 
> about Lance!)

Just to say I have evidence of being genuine on the Lance front :-) I
was a member of the first random out of competition drug testing for
powerlifters in the UK. We got the competitors to test other
competitors so there was no incentive to condone the abuse. That dies
of course rely on having at least a significant minority of drug free
competitors!

:-)


>
> Cheers
> louis
>> --
>> Ian
>>
>> Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications
>>
>> Headline points in the 2014 and 2015 school league tables
>>
>> www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940
>>
>> The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth,
>> Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and
>> Wales.
>



-- 
Ian

Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications

Headline points in the 2014 and 2015 school league tables

www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940

The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth,
Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and
Wales.

Assigning Issues to the issues List?

2013-01-18 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton

I just noticed these changes on issues to clear out old bug assignees.  I 
recall a bunch of mystery e-mails being used and now I see issues@ 
openoffice.apache.org.

That's odd, since that is a mailing list.  It is the mailing list that all 
bugzilla issues and issue updates are reported to.  It is automatically CC'd by 
bugzilla.  It's atom feed can be subscribed to also: 
.

So I think issues@ o.a.o is not someone who can do anything, including being 
assigned a bug?  And the subscribers to issues@ o.a.o already receive 
information about such an issue.

I suppose that this is a reasonable way to notify folks that the issue is 
unclaimed, although a none or no-one assignee might work better.

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: bugzi...@apache.org [mailto:bugzi...@apache.org] 
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 11:40
To: iss...@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: [Bug 92373] PPT import/export of media events

https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=92373

Rob Weir  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Assignee|sven.jac...@oracle.com  |iss...@openoffice.apache.or
   ||g

-- 
You are receiving this mail because:
You are on the CC list for the bug.
You are the assignee for the bug.

Re: [CMS PATCH] [Iteration 1] Social Media Integration: Download Page

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Marcus (OOo)  wrote:

> Am 01/18/2013 03:34 AM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>
>  On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 9:30 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Marcus (OOo)
>>>  wrote:
>>>
 Am 01/17/2013 05:28 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:

  Thanks for the patch.  I'll review and commit.
>


 Even when the patch came a bit surprisingly, it looks quite nice. And
 still
 some space for additions like text or just more icons + links.


>>> Sorry about that.  We've been working on this on the marketing list
>>> for around a month.  A new volunteer prototyped 4 variations of the
>>>
>>
>> Oh, I should mention that the new volunteer (Samer Mansour) is now
>> working on some prototype designs to integrate like/follow links into
>> the homepage.
>>
>
> Here we have already the "I want to stay in touch with OpenOffice"
> section. Let's see how he want this to improve.
>
> Marcus


Yes, looking forward to it -- that particular area does need improvement..
Advance notice/review  would be appreciated.


>
>
>
>  page, with different placement and wording for the "sharing" links.
>>> We then did a controlled experiment using Google Analytics to see
>>> which variation yielded the most shares.  That test ran for 2 weeks
>>> and the patch you see was to put the winning design into production.
>>>
>>> Since not everyone is on the marketing list, in the future we should
>>> update the dev list on what we are proposing before implementing it.
>>> Me bad.
>>>
>>>  The blue graphic is well fitting. Just curious, was the graphic
 "/download/cachedimages/**button-lightblue.png" already existing in
 SVN or is
 it new?


>>> It is new.
>>>
>>>  Let's see if it will help to spread AOO into the world better.


>>> We should get around 100 shares per day.   If each person has maybe 50
>>> people in the social network (on average) then that is 5,000 extra
>>> people who may hear about AOO each day.  And since they are hearing an
>>> endorsement from someone they know, the effect can be quite powerful.
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>  Marcus




  On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Anonymous CMS User
>wrote:
>
>>
>> Clone URL (Committers only):
>>
>> https://cms.apache.org/**redirect?new=anonymous;action=**
>> diff;uri=http://ooo-site.**apache.org/download%2F
>>
>> Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com
>>
>> Hello submitting this change to allow users to 'share' the download
>> page
>> on social media sites AOO currently has profiles on.
>>
>> Please see "[Iteration 1] Social Media Integration" thread in
>> marketing
>> mailing list for full details how this change came about or contact
>> Rob Weir
>> or myself.
>>
>> First time committer, let me know if I'm doing something wrong.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>


-- 

MzK

"No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted."
 --
Aesop

Re: What to do with confirmed bugs?

2013-01-18 Thread Andrea Pescetti


Rob Weir wrote:

We have 50 new QA volunteers, in just the first two week of January!


Really impressive!


Also, are we still using/looking at votes on bugs?  Was that an
effective way of prioritizing?


Votes should still be used to prioritize, especially for external 
entities, like new developers, as Regina suggested, or 
companies/institutions who want to sponsor someone to fix a highly voted 
issue (and then of course contribute the work to Apache OpenOffice).


Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: Assigning Issues to the issues List?