Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available

[Juergen Schmidt]

Am Donnerstag, 21. März 2013 um 23:30 schrieb Hagar Delest:
> Nice.
> I use to dock Stylist and Navigator. When the Sidebar is docked below one of 
> them, if you hide it and then display it (with View menu), it doesn't takes 
> its previous place but almost all space of the panel, reducing the room left 
> for the other panel.
>  
>  

currently work is ongoing to integrate the gallery. The navigator and stylist 
should be also integrated. But there are of course questions how exactly. Some 
users might prefer to have both visible and docked, how would it be in the 
sidebar? We have to figure out what is best and what works best. We can 
probably do not everything for 4.0 but it's good to collect feedback and ideas. 
The currently floating table toolbar is also a candidate for integration in the 
sidebar. Volunteers are welcome to help ;-)
Long term it would be perfect if users can configure the content of the decks 
similar to toolbars today. But all this is a lot of work and has to be done. We 
need much more core basics like a working layout engine etc.
We will see how our users will accept the sidebar in general and it is only the 
beginning.
I personally like the sidebar and believe it will be a really huge step forward 
to increase the usability.

Juergen
>  
> Hagar
>  
>  
> Le 21/03/2013 21:14, Regina Henschel a écrit :
>  
> > Hi Andre,
> >  
> > do you want, that I post the problem I find here in the thread, or write an 
> > issue?
> >  
> > Kind regards
> > Regina
> >  
> >  
> > Andre Fischer schrieb:
> > > Hello everybody,
> > >  
> > > The two most important improvements since my last update:
> > > - There are some more panels migrated from Symphony (Line, Area,
> > > Position and Size, Graphics, Page)
> > > - Context switching works and shows the decks and panels as they should
> > > appear in the finished sidebar. The missing panels are replaced by
> > > placeholders for the time being.
> > >  
> > > More information and an explanation of the concepts (deck, panel,
> > > context) as well as short descriptions of the panels can be found on the
> > > Wiki page [1].
> > >  
> > > The most important thing I have not (yet) done is: blogging about the
> > > sidebar. But the implementation is now in a state that deserves a
> > > little more publicity so I will see if I find the time to write about it.
> > >  
> > >  
> > > But now to the snapshot builds that I have promised in the subject.
> > > Please go to [2] to find the installation set for your preferred platform.
> > > But please not that this is work in progress. Do not use it to work on
> > > important documents.
> > >  
> > > If you are interested in doing QA on the sidebar feature, there is a
> > > short section [3] that lists three simple documents that will help you
> > > find all the different contexts and that tell you which panels should be
> > > visible for each context.
> > >  
> > > Have fun,
> > > Andre
> > >  
> > >  
> > > [1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar
> > > [2] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds
> > > [3] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#QA
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Re: Blind Accessibility

[Steve Yin]

Hi Jennifer,

Welcome!

My name is Steve Yin. I am working on the IAccessible2 migration for AOO
Windows version. You can read our plan and get some useful information
here:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+IAccessible2.
Thanks.


On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Doitblind Jennifer McKinley <
j...@doitblind.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> My name is Jennifer McKinley.  I am the co-founder of Do It Blind.  My
> business partner, John Martyn, and I would like to work with Open Office to
> make it blind accessible.  We have already developed scripts for other very
> popular programs like iTunes, Rhapsody, and Spotify.  Please visit
> doitblind.com for more information on them.  Who can we speak with in
> regards to making Open Office blind accessible?
> Please email me or call me.  We appreciate your time.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Jennifer McKinley
> Co-Founder, Do It Blind, LLC
> doitblind.com
> 505-382-2641




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Steve Yin

Re: What is our current best recommendation for 3.4.1 random crashes?

[Kay Schenk]

On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 9:47 AM, RGB ES  wrote:

> 2013/3/21 Kay Schenk 
>
> > On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 8:02 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >
> > > Users report that they install 3.4.1and it crashes quickly after
> > > starting.  Reinstall doesn't help.  Currently we point users to a
> > > forum post explaining how to rename or remove the profile.  This
> > > beyond the skill level of most users.
> > >
> >
> > oh gee! Well maybe we should have a look at these posts and improve them,
> > put them somewhere else -- on the wiki? I wouldn't think removing a
> profile
> > file would beyond the skill level of most users.
> >
>
> It depends: the profile is in a hidden folder and most users are afraid of
> changing system settings. In fact, on mac systems hidden folders are really
> hidden, and a non experienced user will not know how to open them without a
> lot of google search.
>

oh...well I understand the problem a bit better now. No, not simple...


>
> A possibility is to add a small app to AOO package that can be launched
> independently of AOO, check if AOO is running and close it to then rename
> the profile (AFAIK, firefox have something like that)... but of course,
> someone needs to build that app.
>
> Regards
> Ricardo
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Is that the best we have now for a recommendation?  I thought Oliver
> > > found out that this was related to update checks.  Does disabling
> > > auto-updates work as a fix?
> > >
> >
> > Well it might, I would think, but is this desirable?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > -Rob
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> >
> 
> > MzK
> >
> > "Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."
> >
>



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Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available

[Hagar Delest]

Nice.
I use to dock Stylist and Navigator. When the Sidebar is docked below one of 
them, if you hide it and then display it (with View menu), it doesn't takes its 
previous place but almost all space of the panel, reducing the room left for 
the other panel.

Hagar


Le 21/03/2013 21:14, Regina Henschel a écrit :


Hi Andre,

do you want, that I post the problem I find here in the thread, or write an 
issue?

Kind regards
Regina


Andre Fischer schrieb:

Hello everybody,

The two most important improvements since my last update:
- There are some more panels migrated from Symphony (Line, Area,
Position and Size, Graphics, Page)
- Context switching works and shows the decks and panels as they should
appear in the finished sidebar.  The missing panels are replaced by
placeholders for the time being.

More information and an explanation of the concepts (deck, panel,
context) as well as short descriptions of the panels can be found on the
Wiki page [1].

The most important thing I have not (yet) done is: blogging about the
sidebar.  But the implementation is now in a state that deserves a
little more publicity so I will see if I find the time to write about it.


But now to the snapshot builds that I have promised in the subject.
Please go to [2] to find the installation set for your preferred platform.
But please not that this is work in progress.  Do not use it to work on
important documents.

If you are interested in doing QA on the sidebar feature, there is a
short section [3] that lists three simple documents that will help you
find all the different contexts and that tell you which panels should be
visible for each context.

Have fun,
Andre


[1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar
[2] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds
[3] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#QA


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New committer: Samer Mansour (smansour)

[Rob Weir]

The Project Management Committee (PMC) for Apache OpenOffice has asked
Samer Mansour to become a committer and we are pleased to announce
that he has accepted and taken the ID "smansour".

Samer is responsible for some of the additional social network
integration you see on the website, such as the "share" links on our
download page.  He is also active in the rebranding/logo effort for
AOO 4.0.

Being a committer enables easier contribution to the project since
there is no need to go via the patch submission process.

A warm welcome to Samer!

Regards,

Rob, on behalf of the PMC

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Re: Interviews with OpenOffice Extension Authors

[Jörg Schmidt]

Hello, 

> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] 

> I'd like to do some interviews, via email, with OpenOffice extension
> authors.  These would be featured on the OpenOffice blog, which gets
> 5000 or so visits per day from OpenOffice users.  This is a good way
> to promote your extension.
> 
> If you are interested in this, 

Yes, I'm interested, but please: 
it would be good if you my answers somewhat correcting it, because I'm afraid 
my English is not so good.

> please send me an email, with a link to
> your extension.  I'll try it out and come back to you with questions.

See:
http://www.calc-info.de/makros.htm#mottco

An explanation can be found in the Wiki (Sorry, only in german):
http://www.ooowiki.de/KomplexeBedingteFormatierungen



Greetings, 
Jörg


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Re: What is our best recommendation for 3.4.1 spell checking not working?

[Andrea Pescetti]

Rob Weir wrote:

Some typical recent examples:
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121891
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121887
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121879
We think these are profile issues?


They are not necessarily related to a profile migration. But resetting 
the profile will solve them. And since the "average" user usually avoids 
advanced customizations, he has nothing to lose in resetting the 
profile. I agree that a dedicated tool would help and it's nice to know 
that someone started working on it.


The second report, i.e., that the spell checker only works in some 
applications, sounds unusual. But again, even if it comes from some 
inadvertent customization, resetting the profile simply fixes it.



I thought there was another issue where we had duplicate English
dictionaries installed?


Again, there might be different causes, but resetting the profile is a 
common solution, which works for virtually all users (except possibly a 
few pathological cases that were reported). And I believe that this is 
fixed in 3.4.1 as RGB noted.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: What is our current best recommendation for 3.4.1 random crashes?

[Hagar Delest]

Le 21/03/2013 17:58, Rob Weir a écrit :

But I think of it this way -- If AOO is crashing repeatedly for the
user then they are unlikely to continue using the product.  So if
disabling the update notifications fixes their problem, then it is a
good thing.


Sometimes it is not enough and in addition to that, you have to rename the 
files pointed out by Oliver (process explained in the forum). But this is not 
that frequent.

Even under Windows, some users have great difficulties finding the profile and 
this is rather frequent.

Hagar

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Re: Google Summer of Code applications are open

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:
> Added some of the ideas from Bugzilla as proposals, still more to be
> done, if we can get a better clasification and information like the
> new User Guide for AOO 4.0, build the infrastructure to have nightly
> builds or something similar, and finally fix and create new extensions
> from the Sun/Oracle OpenOffice. Maybe someone else like JanI, Yi Xuan
> Liu and RGB could step into these tasks and serve as mentors
> respectively and contribute more information to the proposals.
>
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2013
>

Excellent, thanks.   One thing, however.  There was a recent
discussion on the GSoC mailing list, and they will not accept
non-coding tasks.  The debate was about whether CSS was "code" or
note.  The consensus was it was not.  So the Doc and Infra items would
not be eligible.   But the coding tasks you have look great.

-Rob


> On 3/21/13, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:
>> Ah seems I missed this wikipage:
>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2013
>>
>> On 3/21/13, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:
>>> On 3/18/13, Rob Weir  wrote:
 On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Alexandro Colorado 
 wrote:
> *Google Summer of Code* is a global program that offers students
> stipends
> to write code for open source projects. We have worked with the open
> source
> community to identify and fund exciting projects for the upcoming
> summer.
>
> http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2013
>
> Mentoring Organization Applications Now Being Accepted for Google
> Summer
> of
> Code
> 2013!
> http://google-opensource.blogspot.mx/2013/03/mentoring-organization-applications-now.html
>

 Cool!If it works like it did last year, the ASF will apply as a
 "mentoring organization" and will be allocated a number of slots, and
 then individual mentor/volunteers apply within Apache for one of these
 slots.
>>>
>>> However the application needs to have proposals and mentors asigned to
>>> them. So apache will need to provide a proposal including our tasks
>>> (OpenOffice) and mentors involved from our community to that task. The
>>> deadline is pretty close already, so we would need somewhat a series
>>> of proposals to do in OpenOffice like killer bugs, or one of our ideas
>>> that we harvest during the 4.0 Ideastorm.
>>>
>>>

 -Rob

> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
> http://es.openoffice.org

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>>>
>>> --
>>> Alexandro Colorado
>>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
>>> http://es.openoffice.org
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Alexandro Colorado
>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
>> http://es.openoffice.org
>>
>
>
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Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available

[Regina Henschel]

Hi Andre,

do you want, that I post the problem I find here in the thread, or write 
an issue?


Kind regards
Regina


Andre Fischer schrieb:

Hello everybody,

The two most important improvements since my last update:
- There are some more panels migrated from Symphony (Line, Area,
Position and Size, Graphics, Page)
- Context switching works and shows the decks and panels as they should
appear in the finished sidebar.  The missing panels are replaced by
placeholders for the time being.

More information and an explanation of the concepts (deck, panel,
context) as well as short descriptions of the panels can be found on the
Wiki page [1].

The most important thing I have not (yet) done is: blogging about the
sidebar.  But the implementation is now in a state that deserves a
little more publicity so I will see if I find the time to write about it.


But now to the snapshot builds that I have promised in the subject.
Please go to [2] to find the installation set for your preferred platform.
But please not that this is work in progress.  Do not use it to work on
important documents.

If you are interested in doing QA on the sidebar feature, there is a
short section [3] that lists three simple documents that will help you
find all the different contexts and that tell you which panels should be
visible for each context.

Have fun,
Andre


[1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar
[2] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds
[3] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#QA


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Re: Google Summer of Code applications are open

[Alexandro Colorado]

Added some of the ideas from Bugzilla as proposals, still more to be
done, if we can get a better clasification and information like the
new User Guide for AOO 4.0, build the infrastructure to have nightly
builds or something similar, and finally fix and create new extensions
from the Sun/Oracle OpenOffice. Maybe someone else like JanI, Yi Xuan
Liu and RGB could step into these tasks and serve as mentors
respectively and contribute more information to the proposals.

http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2013

On 3/21/13, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:
> Ah seems I missed this wikipage:
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2013
>
> On 3/21/13, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:
>> On 3/18/13, Rob Weir  wrote:
>>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Alexandro Colorado 
>>> wrote:
 *Google Summer of Code* is a global program that offers students
 stipends
 to write code for open source projects. We have worked with the open
 source
 community to identify and fund exciting projects for the upcoming
 summer.

 http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2013

 Mentoring Organization Applications Now Being Accepted for Google
 Summer
 of
 Code
 2013!
 http://google-opensource.blogspot.mx/2013/03/mentoring-organization-applications-now.html

>>>
>>> Cool!If it works like it did last year, the ASF will apply as a
>>> "mentoring organization" and will be allocated a number of slots, and
>>> then individual mentor/volunteers apply within Apache for one of these
>>> slots.
>>
>> However the application needs to have proposals and mentors asigned to
>> them. So apache will need to provide a proposal including our tasks
>> (OpenOffice) and mentors involved from our community to that task. The
>> deadline is pretty close already, so we would need somewhat a series
>> of proposals to do in OpenOffice like killer bugs, or one of our ideas
>> that we harvest during the 4.0 Ideastorm.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
 --
 Alexandro Colorado
 Apache OpenOffice Contributor
 http://es.openoffice.org
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Alexandro Colorado
>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
>> http://es.openoffice.org
>>
>
>
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
> http://es.openoffice.org
>


-- 
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Apache OpenOffice Contributor
http://es.openoffice.org

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Re: Interviews with OpenOffice Extension Authors

[Roberto Galoppini]

2013/3/21 Rob Weir :
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Roberto Galoppini
>  wrote:
>> Rob,
>>
>>  those blog interviews would be welcome to SourceForge blog too, we
>> actually did a couple of them at the beginning and we're open to host
>> more of them.
>>
>
> Hmmm... Maybe I should interview you about the repositories, etc.?
>
> ;-)

Actually my original intention was to feature extensions' creators,
but yes, if you wish to cover also the repositories we might do that,
sure.

Roberto


> -Rob
>
>> Roberto
>>
>> 2013/3/21 Rob Weir :
>>> I'd like to do some interviews, via email, with OpenOffice extension
>>> authors.  These would be featured on the OpenOffice blog, which gets
>>> 5000 or so visits per day from OpenOffice users.  This is a good way
>>> to promote your extension.
>>>
>>> If you are interested in this, please send me an email, with a link to
>>> your extension.  I'll try it out and come back to you with questions.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>
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Re: A question about existing practices

[TJ Frazier]

On 3/21/2013 12:57, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

I just fired up Lotus Symphony 3.0.1 fixpack2 on an ODT document that I had handy and I could not 
find anything like an "inspection" tool.  I couldn't find anything beyond a nice 
navigation tool in the sidebar and the usual show-non-printing/show-fields features.  Perhaps I 
didn't know where to look.  Do you know if it is a plug-in or "widget?"

  - Dennis

PS: Did you get your hands on the plug-in that was an attempt to do something like 
"Reveal Codes?"  It was done in Australia and not further developed.

My research and plans are documented on the wiki[1]. Ian's work went in 
a slightly different direction than what I contemplate, but it is a very 
valuable resource. Thanks to your helpful reply, I will proceed (at my 
glacially slow pace) to do something with "Reveal Partitions".


[1] 

/tj/


-Original Message-
From: TJ Frazier [mailto:tjfraz...@cfl.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 02:10
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: A question about existing practices

On 3/18/2013 11:12, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

...
   - Dennis

PS: My all-time favorite unreconcilable voted-for issue is the request for "Reveal 
Codes" in the manner of WordPerfect.


Hi, Dennis,

This is one of my favorites, too, and you might be of great help to my
work. I read somewhere that Symphony has an inspection tool which might
serve the purpose of "Reveal Codes". Can you (or others) confirm or deny
such a thing? (I don't want to write a bunch of code that nobody will use.)

TIA,
/tj/





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Re: Google Summer of Code applications are open

[Alexandro Colorado]

Ah seems I missed this wikipage:
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2013

On 3/21/13, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:
> On 3/18/13, Rob Weir  wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Alexandro Colorado 
>> wrote:
>>> *Google Summer of Code* is a global program that offers students
>>> stipends
>>> to write code for open source projects. We have worked with the open
>>> source
>>> community to identify and fund exciting projects for the upcoming
>>> summer.
>>>
>>> http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2013
>>>
>>> Mentoring Organization Applications Now Being Accepted for Google Summer
>>> of
>>> Code
>>> 2013!
>>> http://google-opensource.blogspot.mx/2013/03/mentoring-organization-applications-now.html
>>>
>>
>> Cool!If it works like it did last year, the ASF will apply as a
>> "mentoring organization" and will be allocated a number of slots, and
>> then individual mentor/volunteers apply within Apache for one of these
>> slots.
>
> However the application needs to have proposals and mentors asigned to
> them. So apache will need to provide a proposal including our tasks
> (OpenOffice) and mentors involved from our community to that task. The
> deadline is pretty close already, so we would need somewhat a series
> of proposals to do in OpenOffice like killer bugs, or one of our ideas
> that we harvest during the 4.0 Ideastorm.
>
>
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>> --
>>> Alexandro Colorado
>>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
>>> http://es.openoffice.org
>>
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Re: Google Summer of Code applications are open

[Alexandro Colorado]

On 3/18/13, Rob Weir  wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:
>> *Google Summer of Code* is a global program that offers students stipends
>> to write code for open source projects. We have worked with the open
>> source
>> community to identify and fund exciting projects for the upcoming summer.
>>
>> http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2013
>>
>> Mentoring Organization Applications Now Being Accepted for Google Summer
>> of
>> Code
>> 2013!
>> http://google-opensource.blogspot.mx/2013/03/mentoring-organization-applications-now.html
>>
>
> Cool!If it works like it did last year, the ASF will apply as a
> "mentoring organization" and will be allocated a number of slots, and
> then individual mentor/volunteers apply within Apache for one of these
> slots.

However the application needs to have proposals and mentors asigned to
them. So apache will need to provide a proposal including our tasks
(OpenOffice) and mentors involved from our community to that task. The
deadline is pretty close already, so we would need somewhat a series
of proposals to do in OpenOffice like killer bugs, or one of our ideas
that we harvest during the 4.0 Ideastorm.


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Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available

[Mechtilde]

Hello Jürgen,

thanks now installation and starting works

Kind regards

Mechtilde

Am 21.03.2013 18:24, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:
> On 3/21/13 6:13 PM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:00:03 +0100
>> Jürgen Schmidt  wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/21/13 5:54 PM, RGB ES wrote:
 2013/3/21 Andre Fischer 

> Hello everybody,
>
> The two most important improvements since my last update:
> - There are some more panels migrated from Symphony (Line, Area, Position
> and Size, Graphics, Page)
> - Context switching works and shows the decks and panels as they should
> appear in the finished sidebar.  The missing panels are replaced by
> placeholders for the time being.
>
> More information and an explanation of the concepts (deck, panel, context)
> as well as short descriptions of the panels can be found on the Wiki page
> [1].
>
> The most important thing I have not (yet) done is: blogging about the
> sidebar.  But the implementation is now in a state that deserves a little
> more publicity so I will see if I find the time to write about it.
>
>
> But now to the snapshot builds that I have promised in the subject. Please
> go to [2] to find the installation set for your preferred platform.
> But please not that this is work in progress.  Do not use it to work on
> important documents.
>
> If you are interested in doing QA on the sidebar feature, there is a short
> section [3] that lists three simple documents that will help you find all
> the different contexts and that tell you which panels should be visible 
> for
> each context.
>
> Have fun,
> Andre
>
>
> [1] 
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar
> [2] 
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds
> [3] 
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#QA
>
>
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 The link on the wiki to the 64 bits rpm is wrong. It says "...rom_en..."
 instead of "...rpm_en..."
>>>
>>> fixed
>>>

 Anyway, downloading right now :)

 Regards
 Ricardo

>> I'm getting a "You don't have permission to access 
>> /~jsc/developer-snapshots/snapshot/linux_x86-64/Apache_OpenOffice-Dev_AOO350m1_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz
>>  on this server." on the DEB and the Windows versions.  OK on the RPM and 
>> the Mac versions.
>>
> 
> fixed for both, one day I will learn to check the permissions ;-)
> 
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Re: Interviews with OpenOffice Extension Authors

[Alexandro Colorado]

I see more ext devs in the forum than the ML.

On 3/21/13, Rob Weir  wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Roberto Galoppini
>  wrote:
>> Rob,
>>
>>  those blog interviews would be welcome to SourceForge blog too, we
>> actually did a couple of them at the beginning and we're open to host
>> more of them.
>>
>
> Hmmm... Maybe I should interview you about the repositories, etc.?
>
> ;-)
>
> -Rob
>
>> Roberto
>>
>> 2013/3/21 Rob Weir :
>>> I'd like to do some interviews, via email, with OpenOffice extension
>>> authors.  These would be featured on the OpenOffice blog, which gets
>>> 5000 or so visits per day from OpenOffice users.  This is a good way
>>> to promote your extension.
>>>
>>> If you are interested in this, please send me an email, with a link to
>>> your extension.  I'll try it out and come back to you with questions.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> -Rob
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Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Just trying it out now and the sidebar is awesome.
Nice.
Louis


On 13-03-21, at 12:54 , RGB ES  wrote:

> 2013/3/21 Andre Fischer 
> 
>> Hello everybody,
>> 
>> The two most important improvements since my last update:
>> - There are some more panels migrated from Symphony (Line, Area, Position
>> and Size, Graphics, Page)
>> - Context switching works and shows the decks and panels as they should
>> appear in the finished sidebar.  The missing panels are replaced by
>> placeholders for the time being.
>> 
>> More information and an explanation of the concepts (deck, panel, context)
>> as well as short descriptions of the panels can be found on the Wiki page
>> [1].
>> 
>> The most important thing I have not (yet) done is: blogging about the
>> sidebar.  But the implementation is now in a state that deserves a little
>> more publicity so I will see if I find the time to write about it.
>> 
>> 
>> But now to the snapshot builds that I have promised in the subject. Please
>> go to [2] to find the installation set for your preferred platform.
>> But please not that this is work in progress.  Do not use it to work on
>> important documents.
>> 
>> If you are interested in doing QA on the sidebar feature, there is a short
>> section [3] that lists three simple documents that will help you find all
>> the different contexts and that tell you which panels should be visible for
>> each context.
>> 
>> Have fun,
>> Andre
>> 
>> 
>> [1] 
>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar
>> [2] 
>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds
>> [3] 
>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#QA
>> 
>> 
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>> 
> 
> The link on the wiki to the 64 bits rpm is wrong. It says "...rom_en..."
> instead of "...rpm_en..."
> 
> Anyway, downloading right now :)
> 
> Regards
> Ricardo


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Re: Interviews with OpenOffice Extension Authors

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Roberto Galoppini
 wrote:
> Rob,
>
>  those blog interviews would be welcome to SourceForge blog too, we
> actually did a couple of them at the beginning and we're open to host
> more of them.
>

Hmmm... Maybe I should interview you about the repositories, etc.?

;-)

-Rob

> Roberto
>
> 2013/3/21 Rob Weir :
>> I'd like to do some interviews, via email, with OpenOffice extension
>> authors.  These would be featured on the OpenOffice blog, which gets
>> 5000 or so visits per day from OpenOffice users.  This is a good way
>> to promote your extension.
>>
>> If you are interested in this, please send me an email, with a link to
>> your extension.  I'll try it out and come back to you with questions.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> -Rob
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Re: Interviews with OpenOffice Extension Authors

[Roberto Galoppini]

Rob,

 those blog interviews would be welcome to SourceForge blog too, we
actually did a couple of them at the beginning and we're open to host
more of them.

Roberto

2013/3/21 Rob Weir :
> I'd like to do some interviews, via email, with OpenOffice extension
> authors.  These would be featured on the OpenOffice blog, which gets
> 5000 or so visits per day from OpenOffice users.  This is a good way
> to promote your extension.
>
> If you are interested in this, please send me an email, with a link to
> your extension.  I'll try it out and come back to you with questions.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Rob

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Re: What is our current best recommendation for 3.4.1 random crashes?

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 12:47 PM, RGB ES  wrote:
> 2013/3/21 Kay Schenk 
>
>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 8:02 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>>
>> > Users report that they install 3.4.1and it crashes quickly after
>> > starting.  Reinstall doesn't help.  Currently we point users to a
>> > forum post explaining how to rename or remove the profile.  This
>> > beyond the skill level of most users.
>> >
>>
>> oh gee! Well maybe we should have a look at these posts and improve them,
>> put them somewhere else -- on the wiki? I wouldn't think removing a profile
>> file would beyond the skill level of most users.
>>
>
> It depends: the profile is in a hidden folder and most users are afraid of
> changing system settings. In fact, on mac systems hidden folders are really
> hidden, and a non experienced user will not know how to open them without a
> lot of google search.
>
> A possibility is to add a small app to AOO package that can be launched
> independently of AOO, check if AOO is running and close it to then rename
> the profile (AFAIK, firefox have something like that)... but of course,
> someone needs to build that app.
>

I actually started making a simple Windows app for doing this.  But I
can't figure out how to reliably find the profile across all Windows
versions, and deployment options.  It would have been easy if we did
something sane like put a registry entry in HKCU or HKLM pointing to
the profile, but we don't seem to do that.

Windows does have some pre-defined ID's for common locations, but I
don't know which one we use when installing, and whether we vary the
logic depending on the version of Windows:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd378457%28v=vs.85%29.aspx

-Rob

> Regards
> Ricardo
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Is that the best we have now for a recommendation?  I thought Oliver
>> > found out that this was related to update checks.  Does disabling
>> > auto-updates work as a fix?
>> >
>>
>> Well it might, I would think, but is this desirable?
>>
>>
>> >
>> > -Rob
>> > -
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>>
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>> 
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>>
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Re: Forums down (SQL error: Too many connections [1040])

[Dave Fisher]

The community still needs a LAMP / MySQL sysadmin to check the tuning so that 
connection leaks don't take it down later (or sooner)

If someone in the project did the work we should be informed.

Thanks,
Dave

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Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 3/21/13 6:13 PM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:00:03 +0100
> Jürgen Schmidt  wrote:
> 
>> On 3/21/13 5:54 PM, RGB ES wrote:
>>> 2013/3/21 Andre Fischer 
>>>
 Hello everybody,

 The two most important improvements since my last update:
 - There are some more panels migrated from Symphony (Line, Area, Position
 and Size, Graphics, Page)
 - Context switching works and shows the decks and panels as they should
 appear in the finished sidebar.  The missing panels are replaced by
 placeholders for the time being.

 More information and an explanation of the concepts (deck, panel, context)
 as well as short descriptions of the panels can be found on the Wiki page
 [1].

 The most important thing I have not (yet) done is: blogging about the
 sidebar.  But the implementation is now in a state that deserves a little
 more publicity so I will see if I find the time to write about it.


 But now to the snapshot builds that I have promised in the subject. Please
 go to [2] to find the installation set for your preferred platform.
 But please not that this is work in progress.  Do not use it to work on
 important documents.

 If you are interested in doing QA on the sidebar feature, there is a short
 section [3] that lists three simple documents that will help you find all
 the different contexts and that tell you which panels should be visible for
 each context.

 Have fun,
 Andre


 [1] 
 http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar
 [2] 
 http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds
 [3] 
 http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#QA


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>>>
>>> The link on the wiki to the 64 bits rpm is wrong. It says "...rom_en..."
>>> instead of "...rpm_en..."
>>
>> fixed
>>
>>>
>>> Anyway, downloading right now :)
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Ricardo
>>>
> I'm getting a "You don't have permission to access 
> /~jsc/developer-snapshots/snapshot/linux_x86-64/Apache_OpenOffice-Dev_AOO350m1_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz
>  on this server." on the DEB and the Windows versions.  OK on the RPM and the 
> Mac versions.
> 

fixed for both, one day I will learn to check the permissions ;-)

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Re: What is our best recommendation for 3.4.1 spell checking not working?

[RGB ES]

2013/3/21 Rob Weir 

> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Rory O'Farrell  wrote:
> > On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:00:26 -0400
> > Rob Weir  wrote:
> >
> >> Users report that they install 3.4.1 and spell checking is not
> >> working.  Redd squiggly lines under every word.  Currently we point
> >> users to an exhaustive and exhausting list of possible remedies for
> >> this on the Forum.  Very unhelpful, IMHO.
> >>
> >> I assume that in reality there is one predominate cause and solution
> >> to this issue rather than a dozen.   So what is the most-likely to
> >> work solution?  I'd like to point the users to that first, and then
> >> the exhaustive list as a back up.
> >>
> > Subject to confirmation by Hagar and RGB (and other Forum activists), as
> far as I am aware most Spellcheck problems are cured by deleting or
> renaming the User Profile.  Mostly the problems arise from "finger trouble"
> - Users trying to outguess OpenOffice.
> >
>
> Some typical recent examples:
>
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121891
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121887
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121879
>
> We think these are profile issues?
>
> I thought there was another issue where we had duplicate English
> dictionaries installed?
>

That was for 3.4.0, 3.4.1 fixed that problem.

Regards
Ricardo



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Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 3/21/13 6:00 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> On 3/21/13 5:54 PM, RGB ES wrote:
>> 2013/3/21 Andre Fischer 
>>
>>> Hello everybody,
>>>
>>> The two most important improvements since my last update:
>>> - There are some more panels migrated from Symphony (Line, Area, Position
>>> and Size, Graphics, Page)
>>> - Context switching works and shows the decks and panels as they should
>>> appear in the finished sidebar.  The missing panels are replaced by
>>> placeholders for the time being.
>>>
>>> More information and an explanation of the concepts (deck, panel, context)
>>> as well as short descriptions of the panels can be found on the Wiki page
>>> [1].
>>>
>>> The most important thing I have not (yet) done is: blogging about the
>>> sidebar.  But the implementation is now in a state that deserves a little
>>> more publicity so I will see if I find the time to write about it.
>>>
>>>
>>> But now to the snapshot builds that I have promised in the subject. Please
>>> go to [2] to find the installation set for your preferred platform.
>>> But please not that this is work in progress.  Do not use it to work on
>>> important documents.
>>>
>>> If you are interested in doing QA on the sidebar feature, there is a short
>>> section [3] that lists three simple documents that will help you find all
>>> the different contexts and that tell you which panels should be visible for
>>> each context.
>>>
>>> Have fun,
>>> Andre
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] 
>>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar
>>> [2] 
>>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds
>>> [3] 
>>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#QA
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>> The link on the wiki to the 64 bits rpm is wrong. It says "...rom_en..."
>> instead of "...rpm_en..."
> 
> fixed

to avoid confusion, this builds are based on the sidebar branch which is
not yet rebased to trunk, means still OpenOffice.org as name and version
is 3.5.

Juergen

> 
>>
>> Anyway, downloading right now :)
>>
>> Regards
>> Ricardo
>>
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Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available

[Mechtilde]

Hello,

can someone fix also the link to the DEBs.

I get the error "Forbidden"

Kind regards

Mechtilde

Am 21.03.2013 18:00, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:
> On 3/21/13 5:54 PM, RGB ES wrote:
>> 2013/3/21 Andre Fischer 
>>
>>> Hello everybody,
>>>
>>> The two most important improvements since my last update:
>>> - There are some more panels migrated from Symphony (Line, Area, Position
>>> and Size, Graphics, Page)
>>> - Context switching works and shows the decks and panels as they should
>>> appear in the finished sidebar.  The missing panels are replaced by
>>> placeholders for the time being.
>>>
>>> More information and an explanation of the concepts (deck, panel, context)
>>> as well as short descriptions of the panels can be found on the Wiki page
>>> [1].
>>>
>>> The most important thing I have not (yet) done is: blogging about the
>>> sidebar.  But the implementation is now in a state that deserves a little
>>> more publicity so I will see if I find the time to write about it.
>>>
>>>
>>> But now to the snapshot builds that I have promised in the subject. Please
>>> go to [2] to find the installation set for your preferred platform.
>>> But please not that this is work in progress.  Do not use it to work on
>>> important documents.
>>>
>>> If you are interested in doing QA on the sidebar feature, there is a short
>>> section [3] that lists three simple documents that will help you find all
>>> the different contexts and that tell you which panels should be visible for
>>> each context.
>>>
>>> Have fun,
>>> Andre
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] 
>>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar
>>> [2] 
>>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds
>>> [3] 
>>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#QA
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>> The link on the wiki to the 64 bits rpm is wrong. It says "...rom_en..."
>> instead of "...rpm_en..."
> 
> fixed
> 
>>
>> Anyway, downloading right now :)
>>
>> Regards
>> Ricardo
>>
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Re: Forums down (SQL error: Too many connections [1040])

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Well, the forums are fluids now (seems to be good since 01:00pm UTC+1).
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Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:00:03 +0100
Jürgen Schmidt  wrote:

> On 3/21/13 5:54 PM, RGB ES wrote:
> > 2013/3/21 Andre Fischer 
> > 
> >> Hello everybody,
> >>
> >> The two most important improvements since my last update:
> >> - There are some more panels migrated from Symphony (Line, Area, Position
> >> and Size, Graphics, Page)
> >> - Context switching works and shows the decks and panels as they should
> >> appear in the finished sidebar.  The missing panels are replaced by
> >> placeholders for the time being.
> >>
> >> More information and an explanation of the concepts (deck, panel, context)
> >> as well as short descriptions of the panels can be found on the Wiki page
> >> [1].
> >>
> >> The most important thing I have not (yet) done is: blogging about the
> >> sidebar.  But the implementation is now in a state that deserves a little
> >> more publicity so I will see if I find the time to write about it.
> >>
> >>
> >> But now to the snapshot builds that I have promised in the subject. Please
> >> go to [2] to find the installation set for your preferred platform.
> >> But please not that this is work in progress.  Do not use it to work on
> >> important documents.
> >>
> >> If you are interested in doing QA on the sidebar feature, there is a short
> >> section [3] that lists three simple documents that will help you find all
> >> the different contexts and that tell you which panels should be visible for
> >> each context.
> >>
> >> Have fun,
> >> Andre
> >>
> >>
> >> [1] 
> >> http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar
> >> [2] 
> >> http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds
> >> [3] 
> >> http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#QA
> >>
> >>
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> >>
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> > The link on the wiki to the 64 bits rpm is wrong. It says "...rom_en..."
> > instead of "...rpm_en..."
> 
> fixed
> 
> > 
> > Anyway, downloading right now :)
> > 
> > Regards
> > Ricardo
> > 
I'm getting a "You don't have permission to access 
/~jsc/developer-snapshots/snapshot/linux_x86-64/Apache_OpenOffice-Dev_AOO350m1_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz
 on this server." on the DEB and the Windows versions.  OK on the RPM and the 
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Re: What is our best recommendation for 3.4.1 spell checking not working?

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Rory O'Farrell  wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:00:26 -0400
> Rob Weir  wrote:
>
>> Users report that they install 3.4.1 and spell checking is not
>> working.  Redd squiggly lines under every word.  Currently we point
>> users to an exhaustive and exhausting list of possible remedies for
>> this on the Forum.  Very unhelpful, IMHO.
>>
>> I assume that in reality there is one predominate cause and solution
>> to this issue rather than a dozen.   So what is the most-likely to
>> work solution?  I'd like to point the users to that first, and then
>> the exhaustive list as a back up.
>>
> Subject to confirmation by Hagar and RGB (and other Forum activists), as far 
> as I am aware most Spellcheck problems are cured by deleting or renaming the 
> User Profile.  Mostly the problems arise from "finger trouble" - Users trying 
> to outguess OpenOffice.
>

Some typical recent examples:

https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121891
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121887
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121879

We think these are profile issues?

I thought there was another issue where we had duplicate English
dictionaries installed?

-Rob


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Re: What is our best recommendation for 3.4.1 spell checking not working?

[RGB ES]

2013/3/21 Rory O'Farrell 

> On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:00:26 -0400
> Rob Weir  wrote:
>
> > Users report that they install 3.4.1 and spell checking is not
> > working.  Redd squiggly lines under every word.  Currently we point
> > users to an exhaustive and exhausting list of possible remedies for
> > this on the Forum.  Very unhelpful, IMHO.
> >
> > I assume that in reality there is one predominate cause and solution
> > to this issue rather than a dozen.   So what is the most-likely to
> > work solution?  I'd like to point the users to that first, and then
> > the exhaustive list as a back up.
> >
> Subject to confirmation by Hagar and RGB (and other Forum activists), as
> far as I am aware most Spellcheck problems are cured by deleting or
> renaming the User Profile.  Mostly the problems arise from "finger trouble"
> - Users trying to outguess OpenOffice.
>


Now that I think of it, I've seen the "all word are underlined" problem
several times on the EN and IT forums, but only once or twice on the ES
forums... anyway, yes, restarting the user profile always solves the
problem.

Regards
Ricardo



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Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 3/21/13 5:54 PM, RGB ES wrote:
> 2013/3/21 Andre Fischer 
> 
>> Hello everybody,
>>
>> The two most important improvements since my last update:
>> - There are some more panels migrated from Symphony (Line, Area, Position
>> and Size, Graphics, Page)
>> - Context switching works and shows the decks and panels as they should
>> appear in the finished sidebar.  The missing panels are replaced by
>> placeholders for the time being.
>>
>> More information and an explanation of the concepts (deck, panel, context)
>> as well as short descriptions of the panels can be found on the Wiki page
>> [1].
>>
>> The most important thing I have not (yet) done is: blogging about the
>> sidebar.  But the implementation is now in a state that deserves a little
>> more publicity so I will see if I find the time to write about it.
>>
>>
>> But now to the snapshot builds that I have promised in the subject. Please
>> go to [2] to find the installation set for your preferred platform.
>> But please not that this is work in progress.  Do not use it to work on
>> important documents.
>>
>> If you are interested in doing QA on the sidebar feature, there is a short
>> section [3] that lists three simple documents that will help you find all
>> the different contexts and that tell you which panels should be visible for
>> each context.
>>
>> Have fun,
>> Andre
>>
>>
>> [1] 
>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar
>> [2] 
>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds
>> [3] 
>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#QA
>>
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> 
> The link on the wiki to the 64 bits rpm is wrong. It says "...rom_en..."
> instead of "...rpm_en..."

fixed

> 
> Anyway, downloading right now :)
> 
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> Ricardo
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Re: What is our current best recommendation for 3.4.1 random crashes?

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 8:02 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>
>> Users report that they install 3.4.1and it crashes quickly after
>> starting.  Reinstall doesn't help.  Currently we point users to a
>> forum post explaining how to rename or remove the profile.  This
>> beyond the skill level of most users.
>>
>
> oh gee! Well maybe we should have a look at these posts and improve them,
> put them somewhere else -- on the wiki? I wouldn't think removing a profile
> file would beyond the skill level of most users.
>

As RGB mentioned, it is the need to access hidden folders in strange
directories.  We have 75 year old pensioners with only basic computer
skills running into these problems.  We need something really simple.

>
>>
>> Is that the best we have now for a recommendation?  I thought Oliver
>> found out that this was related to update checks.  Does disabling
>> auto-updates work as a fix?
>>
>
> Well it might, I would think, but is this desirable?
>
>

If it stops the crashes, then I think that is a good solution.  Maybe
we mention also that this disables automatic update notifications and
ask them to since up for the announcement list at the same time.

But I think of it this way -- If AOO is crashing repeatedly for the
user then they are unlikely to continue using the product.  So if
disabling the update notifications fixes their problem, then it is a
good thing.

-Rob

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RE: A question about existing practices

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

I just fired up Lotus Symphony 3.0.1 fixpack2 on an ODT document that I had 
handy and I could not find anything like an "inspection" tool.  I couldn't find 
anything beyond a nice navigation tool in the sidebar and the usual 
show-non-printing/show-fields features.  Perhaps I didn't know where to look.  
Do you know if it is a plug-in or "widget?"

 - Dennis

PS: Did you get your hands on the plug-in that was an attempt to do something 
like "Reveal Codes?"  It was done in Australia and not further developed.

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Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 02:10
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: A question about existing practices

On 3/18/2013 11:12, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> ...
>   - Dennis
>
> PS: My all-time favorite unreconcilable voted-for issue is the request for 
> "Reveal Codes" in the manner of WordPerfect.
>
Hi, Dennis,

This is one of my favorites, too, and you might be of great help to my 
work. I read somewhere that Symphony has an inspection tool which might 
serve the purpose of "Reveal Codes". Can you (or others) confirm or deny 
such a thing? (I don't want to write a bunch of code that nobody will use.)

TIA,
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Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available

[RGB ES]

2013/3/21 Andre Fischer 

> Hello everybody,
>
> The two most important improvements since my last update:
> - There are some more panels migrated from Symphony (Line, Area, Position
> and Size, Graphics, Page)
> - Context switching works and shows the decks and panels as they should
> appear in the finished sidebar.  The missing panels are replaced by
> placeholders for the time being.
>
> More information and an explanation of the concepts (deck, panel, context)
> as well as short descriptions of the panels can be found on the Wiki page
> [1].
>
> The most important thing I have not (yet) done is: blogging about the
> sidebar.  But the implementation is now in a state that deserves a little
> more publicity so I will see if I find the time to write about it.
>
>
> But now to the snapshot builds that I have promised in the subject. Please
> go to [2] to find the installation set for your preferred platform.
> But please not that this is work in progress.  Do not use it to work on
> important documents.
>
> If you are interested in doing QA on the sidebar feature, there is a short
> section [3] that lists three simple documents that will help you find all
> the different contexts and that tell you which panels should be visible for
> each context.
>
> Have fun,
> Andre
>
>
> [1] 
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar
> [2] 
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds
> [3] 
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#QA
>
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The link on the wiki to the 64 bits rpm is wrong. It says "...rom_en..."
instead of "...rpm_en..."

Anyway, downloading right now :)

Regards
Ricardo

Re: What is our best recommendation for 3.4.1 spell checking not working?

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:00:26 -0400
Rob Weir  wrote:

> Users report that they install 3.4.1 and spell checking is not
> working.  Redd squiggly lines under every word.  Currently we point
> users to an exhaustive and exhausting list of possible remedies for
> this on the Forum.  Very unhelpful, IMHO.
> 
> I assume that in reality there is one predominate cause and solution
> to this issue rather than a dozen.   So what is the most-likely to
> work solution?  I'd like to point the users to that first, and then
> the exhaustive list as a back up.
> 
Subject to confirmation by Hagar and RGB (and other Forum activists), as far as 
I am aware most Spellcheck problems are cured by deleting or renaming the User 
Profile.  Mostly the problems arise from "finger trouble" - Users trying to 
outguess OpenOffice.

-- 
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Re: What is our current best recommendation for 3.4.1 random crashes?

[RGB ES]

2013/3/21 Kay Schenk 

> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 8:02 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>
> > Users report that they install 3.4.1and it crashes quickly after
> > starting.  Reinstall doesn't help.  Currently we point users to a
> > forum post explaining how to rename or remove the profile.  This
> > beyond the skill level of most users.
> >
>
> oh gee! Well maybe we should have a look at these posts and improve them,
> put them somewhere else -- on the wiki? I wouldn't think removing a profile
> file would beyond the skill level of most users.
>

It depends: the profile is in a hidden folder and most users are afraid of
changing system settings. In fact, on mac systems hidden folders are really
hidden, and a non experienced user will not know how to open them without a
lot of google search.

A possibility is to add a small app to AOO package that can be launched
independently of AOO, check if AOO is running and close it to then rename
the profile (AFAIK, firefox have something like that)... but of course,
someone needs to build that app.

Regards
Ricardo



>
>
> >
> > Is that the best we have now for a recommendation?  I thought Oliver
> > found out that this was related to update checks.  Does disabling
> > auto-updates work as a fix?
> >
>
> Well it might, I would think, but is this desirable?
>
>
> >
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Re: Do we need a survey mechanism?

[Kay Schenk]

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Kevin Grignon wrote:

> KG02 - see comments inline
>
> On Mar 19, 2013, at 6:11 AM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Kevin Grignon <
> kevingrignon...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> KG01 - see comments inline.
> >>
> >> On Mar 18, 2013, at 1:59 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 1:10 PM, RGB ES  wrote:
>  2013/3/17 Kay Schenk 
> 
> > In light of our recent start on Strategic Planning, is it worthwhile
> to
> > investigate some sort of survey mechanism?
> >>
> >> KG01 - Graham and I set up a LimeSurvey account, which he hosts. I am
> the
> >> tool admin.
> >>
> >>
> > I know we've used Google
> > Moderator, and I see there were mixed opinions on that.
> >>
> >> KG01 - yes, this more a discussion tool
> >>
> > We really need to
> > get a better feel of WHAT our end users are doing with AOO I think,
> >> before
> > we can get into any indepth product planning.
> >>
> >> KG01 - yes, this was our goal when we launched the survey effort last
> >> year. Actually, the survey process is documented in the AOO UX wiki. We
> >> developed the baseline demographic questions which accompany topic
> specific
> >> survey topics.
> >>
> >
> > See related thread on using BZ:
> >
> > http://markmail.org/message/5a4j74e4oths55rg
> >
> > Ideally, we should attempt to use some mechanism that doesn't
> >> explicitly
> > require an account setup.
> >
> > I started thinking about this a few days ago and saw that there is a
> >> MWiki
> > extension called "Survey". Maybe we could use this.
> >
> > Coupled with that, is there some way to setup an automatic "login"
> for
> >> such
> > a page display,  but coupled with CAPTCHA for survey submission
> maybe?
> >
> 
>  +1 for a survey tool. I remember "LimeSurvey"(1) being discussed on
> this
>  list several month ago, but I don't remember the output of that
> >> discussion.
> 
>  (1) http://www.limesurvey.org/
> 
> >>>
> >>> Right.  Google Moderator is more a brainstorming or "ideation" tool.
> >>> It is not really a survey tool.  Something like LimeSurvey is much
> >>> better for surveys.
> >>>
> >>> We have a few options there:
> >>>
> >>> 1) See if we can get it hosted here at Apache, on a VM/BSD jail.
> >>>
> >> KG01 -this approach is more effort, but highly scalable as it supports
> the
> >> periodic succession of hosting and research volunteers. +1
> >>
> >>
> >>> 2) Have a volunteer host it on their own survey.  If we only do
> >>> anonymous surveys and don't collect personally identifying information
> >>> I think this would be low-risk.
> >>
> >> Kg01 -Currently doing this, just need more resources to deploy surveys
> and
> >> take action.
> >>>
> >>> 3) With either of the above options we could assign it a subdomain
> >>> like surveys.openoffice.org
> >>>
> >>> At one point Graham was looking into #2, but that was a while ago.
> >>
> >> KG01 - Graham and Kevin and Graham. See notes above.
> >>
> >
> > Kevin, does limesurvey require some sort of registration by participants?
> >
> > It looks like it does.
> >
>
> KG02 -Hh good question. I hope not, lets verify.
>

It would be great if someone COULD verify the needed logon business.

OK, more questions and an ultimate goal. I have not  kept up with marketing
on any of this, so here goes...

* Does marketing have results of previous surveys actually published
anywhere?

I took a brief look at the Marketing area on the web server just now and
could't find anything. It would be great if we COULD publish this
information someplace, at least for a time -- a year or so. The results
might be valuable for planning purposes.

* Can we put together a survey to find out more about what users are doing
with AOO?

We have BZ for bug reporting but I think it would be nice to actually find
out what folks are doing with AOO -- who they are, what modules they use,
and for what if they care to share that information. My personal interest
is with Base. What are people doing with it.

* Ideally, we should use some survery/mechanism site that does NOT require
a login -- some simple human verification like CAPTCHA is fine. The last
thing we want is to inhibit people from participating.

Thoughts?



>
> >
> >>
> >>>
> >>> -Rob
> >>>
>  Regards
>  Ricardo
> 
> 
> >
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[sidebar] Snapshot builds are available

[Andre Fischer]

Hello everybody,

The two most important improvements since my last update:
- There are some more panels migrated from Symphony (Line, Area, 
Position and Size, Graphics, Page)
- Context switching works and shows the decks and panels as they should 
appear in the finished sidebar.  The missing panels are replaced by 
placeholders for the time being.


More information and an explanation of the concepts (deck, panel, 
context) as well as short descriptions of the panels can be found on the 
Wiki page [1].


The most important thing I have not (yet) done is: blogging about the 
sidebar.  But the implementation is now in a state that deserves a 
little more publicity so I will see if I find the time to write about it.



But now to the snapshot builds that I have promised in the subject. 
Please go to [2] to find the installation set for your preferred platform.
But please not that this is work in progress.  Do not use it to work on 
important documents.


If you are interested in doing QA on the sidebar feature, there is a 
short section [3] that lists three simple documents that will help you 
find all the different contexts and that tell you which panels should be 
visible for each context.


Have fun,
Andre


[1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar
[2] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds
[3] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#QA


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Interviews with OpenOffice Extension Authors

[Rob Weir]

I'd like to do some interviews, via email, with OpenOffice extension
authors.  These would be featured on the OpenOffice blog, which gets
5000 or so visits per day from OpenOffice users.  This is a good way
to promote your extension.

If you are interested in this, please send me an email, with a link to
your extension.  I'll try it out and come back to you with questions.

Thanks!

-Rob

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Re: What is our current best recommendation for 3.4.1 random crashes?

[Kay Schenk]

On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 8:02 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:

> Users report that they install 3.4.1and it crashes quickly after
> starting.  Reinstall doesn't help.  Currently we point users to a
> forum post explaining how to rename or remove the profile.  This
> beyond the skill level of most users.
>

oh gee! Well maybe we should have a look at these posts and improve them,
put them somewhere else -- on the wiki? I wouldn't think removing a profile
file would beyond the skill level of most users.


>
> Is that the best we have now for a recommendation?  I thought Oliver
> found out that this was related to update checks.  Does disabling
> auto-updates work as a fix?
>

Well it might, I would think, but is this desirable?


>
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Re: building rpms for fedora rawhide

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Fred Ollinger  wrote:
> May I please an account?
>

No special request is necessary. Anyone can sign up for a wiki account
and edit pages.

Look for the "create account" link in the upper right of the page.

Regards,

-Rob

> I'm building on fedora now. I'd like to point the first page to the second.
>
> Also, I do now have some minor updates.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Fred
>
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 5:09 AM, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
>> On 20/03/2013 Kay Schenk wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Building_on_Linux
>>> or maybe you could update some of the Fedora information when you get a
>>> moment?
>>
>>
>> Actually, we have a dedicated page too:
>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Fedora_Build_Instructions
>>
>> It's just one of many redundancies in the wiki, probably... but the latter
>> is more specific and more up-to-date in general.
>>
>> Regards,
>>   Andrea.
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Re: building rpms for fedora rawhide

[Fred Ollinger]

May I please an account?

I'm building on fedora now. I'd like to point the first page to the second.

Also, I do now have some minor updates.

Sincerely,

Fred

On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 5:09 AM, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> On 20/03/2013 Kay Schenk wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Building_on_Linux
>> or maybe you could update some of the Fedora information when you get a
>> moment?
>
>
> Actually, we have a dedicated page too:
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Fedora_Build_Instructions
>
> It's just one of many redundancies in the wiki, probably... but the latter
> is more specific and more up-to-date in general.
>
> Regards,
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What is our current best recommendation for 3.4.1 random crashes?

[Rob Weir]

Users report that they install 3.4.1and it crashes quickly after
starting.  Reinstall doesn't help.  Currently we point users to a
forum post explaining how to rename or remove the profile.  This
beyond the skill level of most users.

Is that the best we have now for a recommendation?  I thought Oliver
found out that this was related to update checks.  Does disabling
auto-updates work as a fix?

-Rob
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What is our best recommendation for 3.4.1 spell checking not working?

[Rob Weir]

Users report that they install 3.4.1 and spell checking is not
working.  Redd squiggly lines under every word.  Currently we point
users to an exhaustive and exhausting list of possible remedies for
this on the Forum.  Very unhelpful, IMHO.

I assume that in reality there is one predominate cause and solution
to this issue rather than a dozen.   So what is the most-likely to
work solution?  I'd like to point the users to that first, and then
the exhaustive list as a back up.

Any ideas?

-Rob

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Re: building rpms for fedora rawhide

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 20/03/2013 Kay Schenk wrote:

http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Building_on_Linux
or maybe you could update some of the Fedora information when you get a
moment?


Actually, we have a dedicated page too:
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Fedora_Build_Instructions

It's just one of many redundancies in the wiki, probably... but the 
latter is more specific and more up-to-date in general.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Forums down (SQL error: Too many connections [1040])

[Andrea Pescetti]

FR web forum wrote:

Result of my dialog with #asfinfra ...
The issue is that MySQL has not been tuned and needs to be. You should contact 
the OOO community.


OK, even though this does not explain why the forum performance degraded 
only in the last weeks. Infra is right in saying that they can give some 
help, but that we cannot demand it, since technically this is not a 
platform they support.


Now, would you be able to help? If you have some knowledge in the area 
we can give you access to the current configuration. I'm going to 
request access for me too, since we clearly need to enlarge the 
administrators group. This does not mean that everybody will go and 
change configuration as they wish, but that we have a larger group of 
people available in case a service needs to be restarted and that 
configuration changes can be validated within a larger group.



Maybe because you stop just at the root http://forum.openoffice.org
This page is HTML and work fine indeed.


I was actually monitoring (meaning: opening a couple times a day)
http://forum.openoffice.org/it/forum/
and I had found it slow but never unreachable.

I've tried to login and post about one hour ago and I've now seen the 
1040 error. I was able to post anyway, but it required a couple of 
attempts, and I agree it is frustrating for users and needs to be fixed.

For the record, I see the forum perfectly responsive at the moment.

Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Forums down (SQL error: Too many connections [1040])

[Alexander Thurgood]

Le 20/03/13 21:14, Hagar Delest a écrit :

> With each passing day, we lose users that
>> search some help on other forums.
> 

Not only that, but the wealth of information that is already there is no
longer accessible.

And yes, before the switch to new hosting, I can not remember it ever
being down for so long.


Alex




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Re: Forums down (SQL error: Too many connections [1040])

[FR web forum]

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De: "Dave Fisher" 
>In these situations it is best to get on irc #asfinfra and ask 
>in general about it. Imacat might be there but there is usually 
>at least one infra person on line.
Result of my dialog with #asfinfra
[11:15] <@pctony> fr__: this service is technically a community run service
[11:15]  i don't know what is mean
[11:16] <@pctony> basically it means, in plain english, this is not truly an 
infra issue.
[11:18]  well how can we fixed this issue?
[11:20] <@pctony> fr__: I can restart the webservice, but this wont fix the 
problem! The issue is that MySQL has not been tuned and needs to be. You should 
contact the OOO community.

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Re: Forums down (SQL error: Too many connections [1040])

[FR web forum]

>> It has worked fine the 5 previous years. So there must be somthing that
>> has been done on the hosting part.
Maybe because PhpBB is outdated now. 
We are still in 3.0.9 instead of 3.0.11

>I was probably just lucky, but I never saw the forum offline 
>these days.
Maybe because you stop just at the root http://forum.openoffice.org
This page is HTML and work fine indeed.
But if you choose a forum, error occurs.

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Re: A question about existing practices

[TJ Frazier]

On 3/18/2013 11:12, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

...
  - Dennis

PS: My all-time favorite unreconcilable voted-for issue is the request for "Reveal 
Codes" in the manner of WordPerfect.


Hi, Dennis,

This is one of my favorites, too, and you might be of great help to my 
work. I read somewhere that Symphony has an inspection tool which might 
serve the purpose of "Reveal Codes". Can you (or others) confirm or deny 
such a thing? (I don't want to write a bunch of code that nobody will use.)


TIA,
/tj/



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Re: A question about existing practices

[Joost Andrae]

Hi Rob,


But whatever the reason, I think it demonstrates that vote counts from
the earlier years are extremely difficult to compare fairly with
recent vote counts.  And the fact that we don't even have a formal RFE
for iOS or Android, even though we get daily requests for this via
other means is odd too.  It suggests that *how* users give feedback
has changed.  Maybe in 2002 it was via Bugzilla.  But today we get
more feedback from Facebook and Twitter than we do Bugzilla.  IMHO we
need to adapt to how users actually express preferences today rather
than assume that they are in tune with a Bugzilla based feedback
mechanism from 2002.



AOO is an open source project and features don't get implemented by 
votes. If someone want's an iOS or Android port then someone has to do 
it. Perhaps a professional committer like IBM may want to help here. I 
don't know if there's a demand within IBM to fund such a work...


Kind regards, Joost


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