Re: [Call For QA Volunteers][Accessibility] AOO IAccessible2 testing work
I can't file bugs under the UI product now: Sorry, entering a bug into the product ui has been disabled. For now, I've just entered bugs into the UI component of the relevant application product. However, is there somewhere else I should be entering these that is more specific to accessibility? For reference, I've just filed bugs 123619, 123620 and 123622. I have more to file in the coming days. Jamie On 14/10/2013 6:24 PM, Steve Yin wrote: Hi all, The AOO IAccessible2 migration dev work will be done in a few days. We need QA volunteers to join the testing work and ensure the migration quality. The source can be get from here: https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branches/ia2 The Windows build can be get from here: http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/#w7ia2 If you are interested in the AOO IAccessible2 testing work, please reply this mail. Thanks. -- James Teh Director, NV Access Limited Email: ja...@nvaccess.org Web site: http://www.nvaccess.org/ Phone: +61 7 5667 8372 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: ratscan
On 11/3/13 8:29 PM, janI wrote: On 3 November 2013 19:23, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, Nov 03, 2013 at 01:47:54AM +0100, janI wrote: The project must do ratscans actively. PMC members need the ratscan output in order to review IP License compliance. When you +1 a release this is something that PMC members must check. This is more important to get correct than the code quality. This is an interesting statement, I have never been presented with a ratscan output even though I was PMC member when we voted for both 4.0 and 4.0.1. I highly agree that ratscan is important, but I cannot find the output in svn, would it not be a natural place to have it together with the release ? It looks like you didn't do your homework before voting, Jürgen usually posts the link to the ratscan output in the [VOTE] thread, for example: http://markmail.org/message/dtyu2zisyvismaqg http://markmail.org/message/cquhuieawf4jbx6j it sure looks like it, thx for correcting me. Besides, build-bot openoffice-linux64-rat runs the target weekly: http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/ that runs on trunk, and not on the branches. it runs on trunk to detect problems early. For the release I triggered it on the related branch. And sure we can automate this further. But I believe having it and running it regularly on trunk is enough. All committers should think about a correct license header if they create new files or should check all license relevant issues if they plan to use a new external library. Juergen rgds jan I. Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Idea for a fun graphics hack: graphviz-optimized diagrams
On 01.11.2013 18:21, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com wrote: Hi Rob, On 01.11.2013 17:23, Rob Weir wrote: Yesterday I was create a diagram in Impress. It was a complicated diagram, around 20 small circles and squares, with a lot of connectors between them. I wasted a lot of time to make it look good, making the nodes so they did not overlap, getting the nodes arranged so the closely-connected ones were adjacent, optimizing the placement of the connectors, etc. It was a tedious manual process. I wish there was a button I could press in the toolbar called optimize layout that would do that all for me. This should be possible. Graph layout algorithms are well-known [1]. There are popular open source packages like graphviz that implement some of these algorithms. You define the nodes and the edges and graphviz determines an optimal layout. It should be possible to take an Impress (or Draw) diagram and extract the abstract qualities of the diagram (the nodes, and their connections), create an optimal layout using graphviz and then bring that layout back into the diagram and apply it. I know it could be done by directly operating on the ODF XML. I assume it could be done at runtime as well. That sounds like it could be done easily with an extension that adds a panel to the sidebar. That would solve the two biggest problems (from my point of view): - provide additional libraries for graph layout and possibly visualization (but not drawing; visualization more in the sense of determining the exact path a connecting curve takes). Graphviz would certainly be one good choice. - provide the user interface for = choosing the set of objects to layout (all, selection, all that look like graph nodes). = choose one of many layout algorithms = set parameters for the chosen layout algorithm We can probably not use our connectors for the edges between nodes. They are too restricted in their abilities (fan out/in of only four, predefined connection points, automatic path layout that may or may not be what the graphiviz algorithm wants. And we have to mark the node shapes in the ODF and store additional information for graphviz (chosen algorithm, parameters). That is the part where my knowledge is not good enough to say whether that is (easily) possible. The rest could probably be done in a week. Maybe this could be task for the next GSOC? -Andre Nice idea, and surely useful, but connectors know only the two objects they are connected with, thus there is no way for them to find out what 'other' objects they should avoid to travel over. That would be a lot of 'guessing', That's the point of a graph layout algorithm. All graphviz needs is a list of nodes and edges and it applies an algorithm to create an optimal layout. There are various algorithms. Some use physical analogies, treating the edges as idealized springs and use a simulation of the physical forces to determine the layout. Others apply simulated annealing with an objective function based on number of overlapping lines and similar aesthetic factors, e.g. do you avoid objects on the masterpage, too? The rectangle shape the whole structure is lying above? Who defines what the 'whole structure' is? When I do diagrams like this I do it on a blank page, with no masterpage objects. Surely it can be done e.g. with an extension working on a selection of objects; as input that selection would need something like the connectors (how else to define the connecitons?), but potentially cannot use these for output, simply because connectors are limited to 5 line segments currently (the whole layouting is based on this, and - even worse - the possible maximum thee control points to adjust the maximum three inner edges). Thus, it may be possible by creating simple polygons as output instead of the connectors, but else I doubt it could be done without core changes, sorry I'd do it as three stages: 1) Determine the ideal layout, based on just knowledge of the topology, i.e., the nodes and edges as points and lines. 2) Apply the ideal layout back to the original diagram. 3) Scale the nodes if needed to avoid overlap of nodes. (Or allow the user to tweak the diagram manually) It is worth reviewing the example graphviz layouts. It works rather well: http://www.graphviz.org/Gallery.php -Rob Sincerely, Armin Something to think about. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graph_drawing [2] http://www.graphviz.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Fwd: Problem with automatized profile import OO4
Repost... Nobody have an hint for that? -- Riccardo Arzenton YACME S.r.l. (http://www.yacme.com) Via Majani 2 - 40122 Bologna Tel: +39 051 19985458 - Messaggio inoltrato - Da: Riccardo Arzenton riccardo.arzen...@yacme.com A: dev@openoffice.apache.org Inviato: Lunedì, 28 ottobre 2013 10:30:54 Oggetto: Problem with automatized profile import OO4 Hi to all, how can i force OO4 to try to restore the previous user profile after the installation runned by a user script? I want to 1. Install OO4 2. Install some extensions that affect the user profile (the user doesn't have to configure anything) 3. If there is an old OO34 user profile, import that one. The point 1 and 2 are ok. How can I resolve the number 3? There is an OO4 command line that i can launch saying to OO4 import the previous profile without asking anything, and if you don't find it, simply do nothing? Thanks to all! -- Riccardo Arzenton YACME S.r.l. (http://www.yacme.com) Via Majani 2 - 40122 Bologna Tel: +39 051 19985458 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Problem with automatized profile import OO4
Hi, On 28.10.2013 10:30, Riccardo Arzenton wrote: Hi to all, how can i force OO4 to try to restore the previous user profile after the installation runned by a user script? I want to 1. Install OO4 2. Install some extensions that affect the user profile (the user doesn't have to configure anything) 3. If there is an old OO34 user profile, import that one. The point 1 and 2 are ok. How can I resolve the number 3? There is an OO4 command line that i can launch saying to OO4 import the previous profile without asking anything, and if you don't find it, simply do nothing? Here is what I know about the migration of a user profile from a previous major version: - The migration is part of the 'FirstStartWizard' which runs on the first start of an OpenOffice instance. - The migration code is part of the module 'desktop' which is integrated into the OpenOffice application. Thus, no standalone code available as far as I know. - I did not know any command line option for OpenOffice application to run only this function. Best regards, Oliver. Thanks to all! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Call For QA Volunteers][Accessibility] AOO IAccessible2 testing work
Hi Jamie, The produce ui is under the General product. Please check it. On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 4:20 PM, James Teh ja...@nvaccess.org wrote: I can't file bugs under the UI product now: Sorry, entering a bug into the product ui has been disabled. For now, I've just entered bugs into the UI component of the relevant application product. However, is there somewhere else I should be entering these that is more specific to accessibility? For reference, I've just filed bugs 123619, 123620 and 123622. I have more to file in the coming days. Jamie On 14/10/2013 6:24 PM, Steve Yin wrote: Hi all, The AOO IAccessible2 migration dev work will be done in a few days. We need QA volunteers to join the testing work and ensure the migration quality. The source can be get from here: https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branches/ia2 The Windows build can be get from here: http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/#w7ia2 If you are interested in the AOO IAccessible2 testing work, please reply this mail. Thanks. -- James Teh Director, NV Access Limited Email: ja...@nvaccess.org Web site: http://www.nvaccess.org/ Phone: +61 7 5667 8372 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Best Regards, Steve Yin
Re: ratscan
Hi I agree to using ratscan on trunk is a good idea, and all the other comments. But my original question is still not answered, do we use the build system to do ratscan, or is the ratscan target an old relict ? rgds jan I.
Re: Log in glitch on en forum
(top posting) The problem was indeed the maximum number of connections allowed from the same ip: it was setted well bellow the usual number of users on EN forums. It's working now. let's see what happens on the next hours. 2013/11/4 Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie On Mon, 4 Nov 2013 03:49:43 + Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote: On Mon, 4 Nov 2013 00:42:26 +0100 Ricardo Berlasso rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/11/4 Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Ricardo Berlasso rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/11/3 F C. Costero fjcc.apa...@gmail.com I and another moderator have both gotten a message claiming maximum number of log in attempts exceeded when we tried to log into the en forum. I did not get that message when logging into the es forum. We could log in successfully after properly entering a Captcha. Perhaps this a a result of the recent software changes. Regards, Francis It happened to me too, but only on the EN forum. I think the problem is not related with the https change, at least not directly. In fact, I remember that something like this happened a couple or years ago, and the conclusion at the time was that there was some kind of brute force attack to gain access to the forum looking for a weak password. If that's true, then the https came in right time :) Regards, Ricardo Well after 5 attempts, I finally got in. Not sure what the problem was... It seems there is something wrong, after all. If I try to log-in I get the too many connections error. If I log-out and immediately log-in again, I get again the too many connections error too. Unless the attack is really massive and quick, there is another problem here. On a phpBB bulletin board noxwizard says in https://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=46t=2176870 % Re: Maximum allowed number of login attempts % Post by Noxwizard » Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:10 am % If it's happening for all users, you should check to see if everyone has the same IP (check Who Is Online). % If they do, then your host is most likely proxying the requests before sending them to you % and not correctly restoring the IP. which may offer a solution to those who understand phpBB. This is linked from the Forum thread on this problem at https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50t=65448 Also, since this login problem has stated, listed logged on users (registered + unregistered) are at about 10% of normal levels - currently 16 listed , whereas I would expect about 150. Typically we would have 1.5x the old forum (currently 96) and 5x the LibO forum (currently 15), so the logged on number is way down. -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie In elaboration of my previous point concerning the low numbers reported to be logged in, the unregistered logins are low, the registered are about the correct level. If one displays the unregistered logged in, this list is now interspersed with the registered logged in, something I don't remember happening before. -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Call For QA Volunteers][Accessibility] AOO IAccessible2 testing work
Hi Steve, On 4/11/2013 7:32 PM, Steve Yin wrote: The produce ui is under the General product. Please check it. Right, but there's an AccessBridge component under the UI product which seems more specific than just General - UI or Calc/Writer - UI. The [ia2] prefix helps to distinguish the bugs I'm filing, but it still seems odd for them to just be in a component as broad as UI. Jamie -- James Teh Director, NV Access Limited Email: ja...@nvaccess.org Web site: http://www.nvaccess.org/ Phone: +61 7 5667 8372 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
New committer: Keith McKenna (knmc)
The Project Management Committee (PMC) for Apache OpenOffice has asked Keith McKenna to become a committer and we are pleased to announce that he has accepted and taken the ID knmc. A warm welcome to Keith ! Regards, Andrea, on behalf of the Apache OpenOffice PMC - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
review denied: [Bug 123606] tables in generated Pdf have different row heights for one-line values : [Attachment 81879] same row viewed with zoom levels 100%, 90% and 80%
Prosper Uniger firstofn...@web.de has denied review: Bug 123606: tables in generated Pdf have different row heights for one-line values https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123606 Attachment 81879: same row viewed with zoom levels 100%, 90% and 80% https://issues.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=81879action=edit --- Additional Comments from Prosper Uniger firstofn...@web.de This is a real odd one. The number of lines seems to depend on the zoom level. When play with the zoom lever in the bottom right corner, the lines in the row switch form 1-2 all the time. The cell height stays the same (2 lines). (In reply to Vladimir from comment #9) On my Computer the Document in normal view has 1 text line for the problem row... Nevertheless - what could be done about that? Is the issue confirmed? I'm no dev or qa member. Just a normal user trying to narrow the problem down. No Idea what could be done. Does your pdf look the same as in the print preview? If so, try to adjust the cells dimensions till it looks good. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Listing in the Consultants registry
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 7:38 PM, Peter Junge peter.ju...@gmx.org wrote: It looks like no one has ever replied to Inge's request. Hi Inge, you need to provide the information in a certain format. The latest discussion I found about how it works can be found with the link below: http://markmail.org/message/n6sllpi4qocxxq34 Sorry, I missed this one. Looking at it now, the URL provided does not exist (404 Not Found): http://www.kogmbh.com/landings-openoffice.html Should it be a different URL? -Rob Best regards, Peter On 10/04/2013 04:38 PM, Inge Wallin wrote: Hi, My name is Inge Wallin and I represent my company KO GmbH. We would like to be listed in your page Apache OpenOffice Consultants at http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html . I think many of you know me already and also know of KO since I met several people at ODF plugfests and other conferences. Here are our submission details: Name: KO GmbH Country: DE, NL, UK, SE, DK (headquarters in DE) Practice: Other (May I suggest that OpenDocument is added to the predefined options?) Description: KO GmbH is one of the worlds leading experts on the Open Document Format and products that use it. We also have extensive expertize in file format conversion between different office file formats, especially Microsoft formats. Website: http://www.kogmbh.com/landings-openoffice.html Email: i...@kogmbh.com Best regards, Inge Wallin KO GmbH - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Call For QA Volunteers][Accessibility] AOO IAccessible2 testing work
Copy to aoo bugzilla admin for more help. On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 6:01 PM, James Teh ja...@nvaccess.org wrote: Hi Steve, On 4/11/2013 7:32 PM, Steve Yin wrote: The produce ui is under the General product. Please check it. Right, but there's an AccessBridge component under the UI product which seems more specific than just General - UI or Calc/Writer - UI. The [ia2] prefix helps to distinguish the bugs I'm filing, but it still seems odd for them to just be in a component as broad as UI. Jamie -- James Teh Director, NV Access Limited Email: ja...@nvaccess.org Web site: http://www.nvaccess.org/ Phone: +61 7 5667 8372 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Best Regards, Steve Yin
Re: [Call For QA Volunteers][Accessibility] AOO IAccessible2 testing work
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Steve Yin steve.yin@gmail.com wrote: Copy to aoo bugzilla admin for more help. We reduced the number of top-level products since the feedback was this confused users. We once had over 40 top level products. A shorter list means they are more likely to be classified correctly. But if General/UI is too general, I can add General/Accessibility Would that help? -Rob On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 6:01 PM, James Teh ja...@nvaccess.org wrote: Hi Steve, On 4/11/2013 7:32 PM, Steve Yin wrote: The produce ui is under the General product. Please check it. Right, but there's an AccessBridge component under the UI product which seems more specific than just General - UI or Calc/Writer - UI. The [ia2] prefix helps to distinguish the bugs I'm filing, but it still seems odd for them to just be in a component as broad as UI. Jamie -- James Teh Director, NV Access Limited Email: ja...@nvaccess.org Web site: http://www.nvaccess.org/ Phone: +61 7 5667 8372 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Best Regards, Steve Yin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
ia2 Buildbot needs attention
The ia2 branch buildbot hung on initial build of the rev 1538382 build today---Failed build.pl --all It needs some attention. Looked at the logs something in the ioctl. -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/ia2-Buildbot-needs-attention-tp4655304.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: ratscan
On 04.11.2013 10:36, janI wrote: Hi I agree to using ratscan on trunk is a good idea, and all the other comments. But my original question is still not answered, do we use the build system to do ratscan, or is the ratscan target an old relict ? I think that I have added the ext_libraries/ratscan/ module. It is built and started when the --with-rat-scan option is given to configure. But I don't know if that is used on our build servers. If you see a --with-rat-scan option in their configuration files then it is, otherwise it is not. -Andre rgds jan I. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: ratscan
On 04.11.2013 15:30, Andre Fischer wrote: On 04.11.2013 10:36, janI wrote: [...] But my original question is still not answered, do we use the build system to do ratscan, or is the ratscan target an old relict ? I think that I have added the ext_libraries/ratscan/ module. It is built and started when the --with-rat-scan option is given to configure. But I don't know if that is used on our build servers. If you see a --with-rat-scan option in their configuration files then it is, otherwise it is not. Looking through the buildbot configuration shows that it doesn't uses ant (like almost all other projects in the ASF buildbot infrastructure) and not the configure option. Herbert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Usability in OpenOffice
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 2:47 PM, silvia.acu...@uam.es wrote: Dear Members, I am a professor at the Universidad Autónoma de Madrid and Universidad Politécnica de Madrid. My students from the Universidad Politécnica de Madrid and the Universidad Autónoma de Madrid want to participate in the project OpenOffice. We are interested in working on usability issues. We perform usability tests in order to find aspects to improve the usability in the OpenOffice application. The end result of usability testing will be shared to the community. We would like to know if it is possible to participate in the project. Hello Prof. Acuña, This sounds like an interesting idea. How would you do usability testing? If you need access to real-world OpenOffice users, please let us know. We have various ways of reaching large numbers of OpenOffice users, including our announcement mailing list (9,000 subscribers), our Facebook page, (10,000 followers), our blog (many more viewers), etc. We also have a LimeSurvey instance we can use to present a survey to users. Regards, -Rob Best regards, Silvia Teresita Acuña Departamento de Ingeniería Informática Escuela Politécnica de Madrid Universidad Autónoma de Madrid - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: ratscan
On Nov 4, 2013 3:31 PM, Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com wrote: On 04.11.2013 10:36, janI wrote: Hi I agree to using ratscan on trunk is a good idea, and all the other comments. But my original question is still not answered, do we use the build system to do ratscan, or is the ratscan target an old relict ? I think that I have added the ext_libraries/ratscan/ module. It is built and started when the --with-rat-scan option is given to configure. But I don't know if that is used on our build servers. If you see a --with-rat-scan option in their configuration files then it is, otherwise it is not. thx for a clear answer. yes it is added to ext_librararies, and currently not used, so I will remove it in my branch (r.i.p. build.pl efford) rgds jan i -Andre rgds jan I. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: ia2 Buildbot needs attention
On 04.11.2013 14:44, V Stuart Foote wrote: The ia2 branch buildbot hung on initial build of the rev 1538382 build today---Failed build.pl --all It needs some attention. The error was ia2_api_all.idl' not found, and can't be made but Steve already committed http://svn.apache.org/r1538506 Add ia2_api_all.idl so there is a good chance that the next build will have this problem resolved. Herbert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: ratscan
On 04.11.2013 15:41, Herbert Duerr wrote: On 04.11.2013 15:30, Andre Fischer wrote: On 04.11.2013 10:36, janI wrote: [...] But my original question is still not answered, do we use the build system to do ratscan, or is the ratscan target an old relict ? I think that I have added the ext_libraries/ratscan/ module. It is built and started when the --with-rat-scan option is given to configure. But I don't know if that is used on our build servers. If you see a --with-rat-scan option in their configuration files then it is, otherwise it is not. Looking through the buildbot configuration shows that it doesn't uses ant (like almost all other projects in the ASF buildbot infrastructure) and not the configure option. Typo fix: it uses plain ant and none of AOO's binaries Herbert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: ia2 Buildbot needs attention
Actually, looked a little further in the log, and this may need the dev's attention. Errors are in the most recently modified modules of the branch. Steve? -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/ia2-Buildbot-needs-attention-tp4655304p4655305.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [ANNOUNCE] forum.openoffice.org
Hello, Good work! But forums seems to be slow now. - Mail original - De: janI j...@apache.org À: dev dev@openoffice.apache.org, infrastruct...@apache.org Envoyé: Dimanche 3 Novembre 2013 11:55:52 Objet: [ANNOUNCE] forum.openoffice.org Hi I am happy to announce that https://forum.openoffice.org is now open. All http://forum.openoffice.org request are permanently redirected to https://forum.openoffice.org The site has been briefly tested, and the http/https mix problem exist on forum, just like on wiki. Thanks to all that helped make this happen. on behalf of the infrastructure team jan I. Ps. I have close jira issue 6608. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [ANNOUNCE] forum.openoffice.org
All http://forum.openoffice.org request are permanently redirected to https://forum.openoffice.org PhpBB store the ip address for each post We have a problem with https All posts are the same ip 140.211.11.74 (erebus-ssl.apache.org) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Facebook Fanpage going direction 10000 Fans
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch wrote: Hi all The Apache OpenOffice Facebook Fanpage going direction 10 k Fans. We hav at the Moment 9981 Fans. Just for the Record We now have 10,031 Facebook Fans.This is good for a Facebook page that only started in May 2012. For comparison we have 7,625 on Google + and 2,057 on Twitter. We have 10,243 subscribers to our announcement mailing list. So it is possible that soon we will be able to reach more users via Facebook than through our announcement list. -Rob Greetings Raphael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [ANNOUNCE] forum.openoffice.org
On Nov 4, 2013 4:10 PM, FR web forum ooofo...@free.fr wrote: All http://forum.openoffice.org request are permanently redirected to https://forum.openoffice.org PhpBB store the ip address for each post We have a problem with https All posts are the same ip 140.211.11.74 (erebus-ssl.apache.org) you should use the ip in the header and not tcpip level. traffic goes through a proxy. Same thing will happen if we use the trafficserver to cache pages. rgds jan i - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Call For QA Volunteers][Accessibility] AOO IAccessible2 testing work
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:09 AM, V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu wrote: Rob, Yes please! Add the General/Accessibility component. Perhaps with a component description of Issues related to Assistive Technologies, Accessibility and interface automation (e.g. a11y, IAccessibile2, NX Accessibility). Done. Feel free to move any existing defects that belong into that component. -Rob Stuart -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/Call-For-QA-Volunteers-Accessibility-AOO-IAccessible2-testing-work-tp4654497p4655306.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Facebook Fanpage going direction 10000 Fans
On 11/4/13 4:12 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch wrote: Hi all The Apache OpenOffice Facebook Fanpage going direction 10 k Fans. We hav at the Moment 9981 Fans. Just for the Record We now have 10,031 Facebook Fans.This is good for a Facebook page that only started in May 2012. For comparison we have 7,625 on Google + and 2,057 on Twitter. We have 10,243 subscribers to our announcement mailing list. So it is possible that soon we will be able to reach more users via Facebook than through our announcement list. we should take this into account or start thinking how we can use it more effective. Maybe tips of the day or week ... Juergen -Rob Greetings Raphael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: ratscan
On 11/4/13 3:46 PM, janI wrote: On Nov 4, 2013 3:31 PM, Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com wrote: On 04.11.2013 10:36, janI wrote: Hi I agree to using ratscan on trunk is a good idea, and all the other comments. But my original question is still not answered, do we use the build system to do ratscan, or is the ratscan target an old relict ? I think that I have added the ext_libraries/ratscan/ module. It is built and started when the --with-rat-scan option is given to configure. But I don't know if that is used on our build servers. If you see a --with-rat-scan option in their configuration files then it is, otherwise it is not. thx for a clear answer. yes it is added to ext_librararies, and currently not used, so I will remove it in my branch (r.i.p. build.pl efford) what do you mean it is not used? Do you know all configure options from people? I think the main idea was to make it as easy as possible for people to run their own local ratscan. I see no reason why we should remove it. Today anybody can run it with this configure option, how doe sit wok without this in a local environment (no build bot involved)? Juergen rgds jan i -Andre rgds jan I. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [ANNOUNCE] forum.openoffice.org
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OSBA Office Interoperability Workshop last week
Hi, I would like to inform you about my attendance of a workshop from the OSBA [1] to discuss a potential future project to improve the interoperability of OpenOffice/LibreOffice with the also standardized file format OOXML. But also with focus on an improved and a standardized change tracking proposal. I attended as individual AOO member and IBM representative. I made clear that I am no official spoke person for AOO and explained once more that we don't really have a hierarchy or formal leaders. One part of the workshop was to review the first project [2] which was a success for open source but not directly for OpenOffice. We know all that the patches are not yet integrated in AOO. I reported that I have informed the AOO project/community about the availability [3] of the related patches but that nobody has worked on it so far. And that it is not easy without having access to the test documents. Svante Schubert gave a good overview presentation about the change tracking proposal that is currently discussed and proposed in the related OASIS sub committee. All attendees agreed more or less that it is important to have it more formalized and be part of the ODF standard. Funding to work on the ODF specification is one aspect ... During the workshop new problems were reported and feature requests communicated. This will be me worked out in detail and new use-case specifications will be prepared similar to the first project. When they are available I will share them with the community. Interested developers and companies can give an offer to work on the implementation later, similar to the first project. A further important point was the potential collaboration between OpenOffice and LibreOffice at least on source code level. Some of the sponsors of the first project were not 100% satisfied because they can't benefit from the work they have paid for which I can understand. The availability of patches under ALv2 is not enough to have them integrated. The integration work have to be done and ideally from the people who were paid for. Or at least in time and in collaboration with other volunteers. Anyway something that will be probably improved in the future. Jan Holosevsky from Collabora and a developer on LO and me as a developer from AOO were asked about a proposal/idea how such a collaboration can happen. We all know that it is not so easy to answer and that it comes quite fast to an ideological and political discussion. I simply tried to explain the situation we already have today. In detail I showed the code flow from AOO to LO and the dependency of LO to AOO since their rebase. They mirror our svn repos and merge fixes and features on a regular basis into their code. And most of their source code is under the ALV2 because you can't remove the license. You can only add additional licenses for significant changes you made in a source file. As one possible way for collaboration I proposed to work more directly on the same code base. And that the TDF could continue to provide binaries and could continue with their community work they are doing today (I like of course many things they doing). The only requirement would be to work together on the same code and contribute the changes upstream. I believe this would make most sense and the resources in both project would be used more efficient. And the most important point from my point of view it would reflect the main idea of open source and would benefit the open source spirit. Jan Holesovsky with backing from Simon Phipps proposed that we could use LO code which is under MPLv2. As a reminder the additional MPLv2 is the result of their rebasing work against the AOO code base after our first official release AOO 3.4.1. Well I found not very much information about the exact licensing on their webpage, mainly LGPLv3. And no reference that at least major parts of their code is under ALv2 today. At least to me it looks quite confusing and I am happy that we have it much clearer today. But back to the proposal I have to confess that I don't really understand how this should work in detail. MPL is category-b and we can link against it but we can't host any MPL code in our repo. And it would work on completely new code only that is quite well encapsulated and modularized. It can be potentially an option for some of their new filters but that have to be checked in detail and is only one aspect. We talk about million lines of code mainly. It was also mentioned that mixing of ALv2 and MPL code is possible in general and that it is more a problem of the ASF and the processes applied to projects here at Aapche. I was thinking what it should mean, confuse people even more or an indirect recommendation that OpenOffice should be hosted somewhere else? I stopped thinking about it because it's out of scope I think. If people think I misunderstood things or summarized it incorrect, please feel free to correct me or add missing information. I shared this with you
Re: ratscan
On Nov 4, 2013 4:41 PM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/4/13 3:46 PM, janI wrote: On Nov 4, 2013 3:31 PM, Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com wrote: On 04.11.2013 10:36, janI wrote: Hi I agree to using ratscan on trunk is a good idea, and all the other comments. But my original question is still not answered, do we use the build system to do ratscan, or is the ratscan target an old relict ? I think that I have added the ext_libraries/ratscan/ module. It is built and started when the --with-rat-scan option is given to configure. But I don't know if that is used on our build servers. If you see a --with-rat-scan option in their configuration files then it is, otherwise it is not. thx for a clear answer. yes it is added to ext_librararies, and currently not used, so I will remove it in my branch (r.i.p. build.pl efford) what do you mean it is not used? Do you know all configure options from people? I think the main idea was to make it as easy as possible for people to run their own local ratscan. I see no reason why we should remove it. Today anybody can run it with this configure option, how doe sit wok without this in a local environment (no build bot involved)? no I dont, and with your statement we can forget about changing anything! there will alwayes be someone using whatever we remove. My idea, which got good response was to only implement build options we use to build our releases and potentially a few extra used by active aoo developers. ratscan is really a good example of something that do not belong in a build system, we also do not include svn, which seems more relevant in a build system If I am wrong, and we shall support all options in the future, there are no idea in trying to remove build.pl. rgds jan i Juergen rgds jan i -Andre rgds jan I. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: ratscan
On 04.11.2013 16:53, janI wrote: On Nov 4, 2013 4:41 PM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/4/13 3:46 PM, janI wrote: On Nov 4, 2013 3:31 PM, Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com wrote: On 04.11.2013 10:36, janI wrote: Hi I agree to using ratscan on trunk is a good idea, and all the other comments. But my original question is still not answered, do we use the build system to do ratscan, or is the ratscan target an old relict ? I think that I have added the ext_libraries/ratscan/ module. It is built and started when the --with-rat-scan option is given to configure. But I don't know if that is used on our build servers. If you see a --with-rat-scan option in their configuration files then it is, otherwise it is not. thx for a clear answer. yes it is added to ext_librararies, and currently not used, so I will remove it in my branch (r.i.p. build.pl efford) what do you mean it is not used? Do you know all configure options from people? I think the main idea was to make it as easy as possible for people to run their own local ratscan. I see no reason why we should remove it. Today anybody can run it with this configure option, how doe sit wok without this in a local environment (no build bot involved)? no I dont, and with your statement we can forget about changing anything! there will alwayes be someone using whatever we remove. My idea, which got good response was to only implement build options we use to build our releases and potentially a few extra used by active aoo developers. I think that we are talking about two things. One is build.pl (or its successor) and the other is configure et al. The only discussion I can recall was about build.pl. Cleaning up both is certainly a good idea, and dropping some or many options would also be good. But I think that keeping only those options that we use for building releases is too restrictive. Building developer builds is done much more often then building a release. Different developers need different options on their machines. So we have to be careful about what is dropped and what is kept. ratscan is really a good example of something that do not belong in a build system, we also do not include svn, which seems more relevant in a build system I disagree. Ratscan is used as a sort of unit test. We can release only when the ratscan is OK. Developers may want to run it on their local machines to know if they break the ratscan. I consider that a vital part of a build system. I don't see the similarity to SVN. If I am wrong, and we shall support all options in the future, there are no idea in trying to remove build.pl. There is a place between no cleanup and removing all options that are not used for building releases. It just is not easy or straightforward to find. You started that discussion for build.pl and I think we found consensus. A discussion about configure will probably be longer and more difficult because there are so much more options, some of which are a bit arcane. But you are probably right to assume that this is no area where you (or anyone else) can make everybody happy :-) -Andre rgds jan i Juergen rgds jan i -Andre rgds jan I. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: ratscan
On 11/4/13 4:53 PM, janI wrote: On Nov 4, 2013 4:41 PM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/4/13 3:46 PM, janI wrote: On Nov 4, 2013 3:31 PM, Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com wrote: On 04.11.2013 10:36, janI wrote: Hi I agree to using ratscan on trunk is a good idea, and all the other comments. But my original question is still not answered, do we use the build system to do ratscan, or is the ratscan target an old relict ? I think that I have added the ext_libraries/ratscan/ module. It is built and started when the --with-rat-scan option is given to configure. But I don't know if that is used on our build servers. If you see a --with-rat-scan option in their configuration files then it is, otherwise it is not. thx for a clear answer. yes it is added to ext_librararies, and currently not used, so I will remove it in my branch (r.i.p. build.pl efford) what do you mean it is not used? Do you know all configure options from people? I think the main idea was to make it as easy as possible for people to run their own local ratscan. I see no reason why we should remove it. Today anybody can run it with this configure option, how doe sit wok without this in a local environment (no build bot involved)? no I dont, and with your statement we can forget about changing anything! there will alwayes be someone using whatever we remove. that is not true and we should be careful. Just one example if you remove the option to build against system libs because we don't use it for our releases it would be completely wrong. Why? For any potential integration in a Linux distro this options are essential and necessary. My idea, which got good response was to only implement build options we use to build our releases and potentially a few extra used by active aoo developers. simplification and cleanup is good. I only try to give you examples that here is more that we should taking into account. ratscan is really a good example of something that do not belong in a build system, we also do not include svn, which seems more relevant in a build system I tend to disagree, the ratscan is somewhat important for an Apache project and supporting developers to run it easy is not a bad thing. svn is not necessary if you download the src release. If I am wrong, and we shall support all options in the future, there are no idea in trying to remove build.pl. nobody said this, it's funny I get more often the impression that it is either or for you. But often their is something in between. I believe configure can be cleaned up a lot, names can be consolidated to follow the same convention, the documentation can be improved and of course really unused or obsolete options can be dropped completely. You ask for opinions about the ratscan target, receive feedback but it seems that you don't like it ;-) Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: ratscan
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com wrote: On 04.11.2013 16:53, janI wrote: On Nov 4, 2013 4:41 PM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/4/13 3:46 PM, janI wrote: On Nov 4, 2013 3:31 PM, Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com wrote: On 04.11.2013 10:36, janI wrote: Hi I agree to using ratscan on trunk is a good idea, and all the other comments. But my original question is still not answered, do we use the build system to do ratscan, or is the ratscan target an old relict ? I think that I have added the ext_libraries/ratscan/ module. It is built and started when the --with-rat-scan option is given to configure. But I don't know if that is used on our build servers. If you see a --with-rat-scan option in their configuration files then it is, otherwise it is not. thx for a clear answer. yes it is added to ext_librararies, and currently not used, so I will remove it in my branch (r.i.p. build.pl efford) what do you mean it is not used? Do you know all configure options from people? I think the main idea was to make it as easy as possible for people to run their own local ratscan. I see no reason why we should remove it. Today anybody can run it with this configure option, how doe sit wok without this in a local environment (no build bot involved)? no I dont, and with your statement we can forget about changing anything! there will alwayes be someone using whatever we remove. My idea, which got good response was to only implement build options we use to build our releases and potentially a few extra used by active aoo developers. I think that we are talking about two things. One is build.pl (or its successor) and the other is configure et al. The only discussion I can recall was about build.pl. Cleaning up both is certainly a good idea, and dropping some or many options would also be good. But I think that keeping only those options that we use for building releases is too restrictive. Building developer builds is done much more often then building a release. Different developers need different options on their machines. So we have to be careful about what is dropped and what is kept. ratscan is really a good example of something that do not belong in a build system, we also do not include svn, which seems more relevant in a build system I disagree. Ratscan is used as a sort of unit test. We can release only when the ratscan is OK. Developers may want to run it on their local machines to know if they break the ratscan. I consider that a vital part of a build system. I don't see the similarity to SVN. If I am wrong, and we shall support all options in the future, there are no idea in trying to remove build.pl. There is a place between no cleanup and removing all options that are not used for building releases. It just is not easy or straightforward to find. You started that discussion for build.pl and I think we found consensus. A discussion about configure will probably be longer and more difficult because there are so much more options, some of which are a bit arcane. +1. It's good to have separate conversions for building approaches versus configuration options. And, I'm actually using some of the arcane/odd system configuration options due to some problems I experienced. But you are probably right to assume that this is no area where you (or anyone else) can make everybody happy :-) -Andre rgds jan i Juergen rgds jan i -Andre rgds jan I. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- - MzK “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, Nothing is going to get better. It's not.” -- Dr. Seuss, The Lorax
Re: Call for Automation BVT volunteer for AOO4.1
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Liu Ping doneyours...@gmail.com wrote: Hi ,Kay Maybe you can get RPM packs for 32-bit Linux snapshot. from http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/ Hi. These snapshot packs are all deb format, not rpm. I don't know what the decisions were concerning these setups. OK. I will see what I can find out about this. There ARE nightly Linux-32 rpm packs but not from the SNAPSHOT trunk. On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Liu Ping doneyours...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, all. BVT(Build Verification Testing) is a set of tests that run on new build to verify that whether the build is testable or not, which play an important role in software quality Encourage more efforts in community to engage in automation BVT for AOO 4.1 (refer item 5 in AOO 4.1 Test Arrangement) (1)First, Welcome volunteers familiar with BVT according by the guidence http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/BVT Hi -- Currently, there are no RPM packs for 32-bit Linux snapshot. Does anyone know why? Below are prerequisites: 1) 1)Environment tool: SVN Client, JDK, Ant 2) 2)Soft Skills: · a.Basic skills about Windows Command line, Linux/Mac Terminal · b.Basic knowledge of Java If have some problems, please put forward issues that block you. I will help to resolve it. (2)Second, Notice new build and collect volunteers’ BTV result. Please post your name/email and your platform , When new build is ready I will notice by email. Volunteer post your result on http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/BVT_Report, thx. -- - MzK “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, Nothing is going to get better. It's not.” -- Dr. Seuss, The Lorax -- - MzK “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, Nothing is going to get better. It's not.” -- Dr. Seuss, The Lorax
Re: Call for Automation BVT volunteer for AOO4.1
I reported this a while back: http://markmail.org/message/x2plcngb6xczxbch On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Liu Ping doneyours...@gmail.com wrote: Hi ,Kay Maybe you can get RPM packs for 32-bit Linux snapshot. from http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/ Hi. These snapshot packs are all deb format, not rpm. I don't know what the decisions were concerning these setups. OK. I will see what I can find out about this. There ARE nightly Linux-32 rpm packs but not from the SNAPSHOT trunk. On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Liu Ping doneyours...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, all. BVT(Build Verification Testing) is a set of tests that run on new build to verify that whether the build is testable or not, which play an important role in software quality Encourage more efforts in community to engage in automation BVT for AOO 4.1 (refer item 5 in AOO 4.1 Test Arrangement) (1)First, Welcome volunteers familiar with BVT according by the guidence http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/BVT Hi -- Currently, there are no RPM packs for 32-bit Linux snapshot. Does anyone know why? Below are prerequisites: 1) 1)Environment tool: SVN Client, JDK, Ant 2) 2)Soft Skills: · a.Basic skills about Windows Command line, Linux/Mac Terminal · b.Basic knowledge of Java If have some problems, please put forward issues that block you. I will help to resolve it. (2)Second, Notice new build and collect volunteers’ BTV result. Please post your name/email and your platform , When new build is ready I will notice by email. Volunteer post your result on http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/BVT_Report, thx. -- - MzK “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, Nothing is going to get better. It's not.” -- Dr. Seuss, The Lorax -- - MzK “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, Nothing is going to get better. It's not.” -- Dr. Seuss, The Lorax -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://www.openoffice.org 882C 4389 3C27 E8DF 41B9 5C4C 1DB7 9D1C 7F4C 2614 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Proposal] Update Icons for AOO 4.1
This is just a reminder that this coming Nov 9th is the end of the 30 day window for list folk to submit ideas, whether in words or images. After this date, I will compile the ideas and feedback. Samer Mansour On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 11:01 PM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm proposing to have the icons (and related assets) updated for AOO 4.1 release. I would like to take the responsibility to see this gets done. Here is the icons that need to be updated: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4.1+-+Desktop+Icons Related asset: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4.1+-+Application+And+Launcher You can see two examples of ideas on the first link. You can also suggest your own ideas verbally by commenting on the wiki page or visually by attaching it to the wiki. (Please don't reply ideas in this mailing list, let us know if you have trouble) I am putting a deadline for the idea submission and discussion in 30 days, November 9th, 2013. Once we reach the deadline, we will have a separate discussion for optimizing for the best user experience. This is not a contest or a call for public proposals. This is regular, needs to be done, no-bikeshedding-please work. When the deadline Nov 9th arrives, if there is more than one viable solution, we will try to reach consensus without a end user vote. eg. We will not be doing what we did with the logo, that was a special case because it is the face of AOO. Samer Mansour
Re: Log in glitch on en forum
Le 04/11/2013 10:53, Ricardo Berlasso a écrit : (top posting) The problem was indeed the maximum number of connections allowed from the same ip: it was setted well bellow the usual number of users on EN forums. It's working now. let's see what happens on the next hours. All users have the same IP. So there is a problem (coming from a proxy it seems, on ASF side?). Even if the short term fix applied by Ricardo works for the moment, we need to set the system back to normal. Hagar - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Log in glitch on en forum
On 4 November 2013 21:22, Hagar Delest hagar.del...@laposte.net wrote: Le 04/11/2013 10:53, Ricardo Berlasso a écrit : (top posting) The problem was indeed the maximum number of connections allowed from the same ip: it was setted well bellow the usual number of users on EN forums. It's working now. let's see what happens on the next hours. All users have the same IP. So there is a problem (coming from a proxy it seems, on ASF side?). Even if the short term fix applied by Ricardo works for the moment, we need to set the system back to normal. Yes https traffic goes via a proxy to handle the certificates. This is quite normal, on wiki.o.o all requests go through the traffic server (to cache pages and thereby provide better response time) so the tcp/ip address does not change. The configuration must use the ip address from the http header (original address) instead of the tcp/ip addr (any proxy addr). Actually previously there has also been plenty of users sitting behind proxy servers (typically companies), so the situation is not new, just now for all. rgds jan I. Hagar - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [PROPOSAL] End-of-Life for OpenOffice.org 3.3.0
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 29/10/2013 Rob Weir wrote: And here is a draft of the landing page we'd send users to who have an older version of OOo if there is not an AOO version in their language: http://www.openoffice.org/development/releases/eol-nl.html This will be very useful to attract volunteers. A few questions/remarks: 1) Can we avoid that all languages are notified at the same time? For example, Danish and another language have been at 100% for about one month and I hope we can release them in November. While Arabic is a language where we can use more volunteers right now. I compared the list of languages supported with full installers in OOo 3.3.0 with what we have in AOO 4.0.1. The following languages are missing in AOO 4.0.1: Arabic Bengali Bulgarian Catalan Catalan (Valencian) Danish Estonian Hebrew Irish Kurdish Macedonian Mongolian Norwegian (Bokmål) Norwegian (Nynorsk) Oromo Serbian (Latin) Of these some are now completed translated. We just need some testing and a new release: Danish Bulgarian And a few others are almost complete: Norwegian (Bokmål) Hebrew Catalan Arabic So maybe we able notification for the remaining ones, which are: Bengali Catalan (Valencian) Estonian Irish Kurdish Macedonian Mongolian Norwegian (Nynorsk) Oromo Serbian (Latin) 2) Can the title be changed so that it doesn't look an obituary to non-native speakers? Like Please upgrade to OpenOffice 4.0.1 - or help translating it into your language. Or anything that cannot be understood as OpenOffice is dead. I've updated that page. 3) Link to the l10n list must be fixed (last line). Fix this as well. Regards, -Rob Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: OSBA Office Interoperability Workshop last week
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, I would like to inform you about my attendance of a workshop from the OSBA [1] to discuss a potential future project to improve the interoperability of OpenOffice/LibreOffice with the also standardized file format OOXML. But also with focus on an improved and a standardized change tracking proposal. I attended as individual AOO member and IBM representative. I made clear that I am no official spoke person for AOO and explained once more that we don't really have a hierarchy or formal leaders. One part of the workshop was to review the first project [2] which was a success for open source but not directly for OpenOffice. We know all that the patches are not yet integrated in AOO. I reported that I have informed the AOO project/community about the availability [3] of the related patches but that nobody has worked on it so far. And that it is not easy without having access to the test documents. Svante Schubert gave a good overview presentation about the change tracking proposal that is currently discussed and proposed in the related OASIS sub committee. All attendees agreed more or less that it is important to have it more formalized and be part of the ODF standard. Funding to work on the ODF specification is one aspect ... During the workshop new problems were reported and feature requests communicated. This will be me worked out in detail and new use-case specifications will be prepared similar to the first project. When they are available I will share them with the community. Interested developers and companies can give an offer to work on the implementation later, similar to the first project. A further important point was the potential collaboration between OpenOffice and LibreOffice at least on source code level. Some of the sponsors of the first project were not 100% satisfied because they can't benefit from the work they have paid for which I can understand. The availability of patches under ALv2 is not enough to have them integrated. The integration work have to be done and ideally from the people who were paid for. Or at least in time and in collaboration with other volunteers. Anyway something that will be probably improved in the future. Jan Holosevsky from Collabora and a developer on LO and me as a developer from AOO were asked about a proposal/idea how such a collaboration can happen. We all know that it is not so easy to answer and that it comes quite fast to an ideological and political discussion. I simply tried to explain the situation we already have today. In detail I showed the code flow from AOO to LO and the dependency of LO to AOO since their rebase. They mirror our svn repos and merge fixes and features on a regular basis into their code. And most of their source code is under the ALV2 because you can't remove the license. You can only add additional licenses for significant changes you made in a source file. As one possible way for collaboration I proposed to work more directly on the same code base. And that the TDF could continue to provide binaries and could continue with their community work they are doing today (I like of course many things they doing). The only requirement would be to work together on the same code and contribute the changes upstream. I believe this would make most sense and the resources in both project would be used more efficient. And the most important point from my point of view it would reflect the main idea of open source and would benefit the open source spirit. Jan Holesovsky with backing from Simon Phipps proposed that we could use LO code which is under MPLv2. As a reminder the additional MPLv2 is the result of their rebasing work against the AOO code base after our first official release AOO 3.4.1. Well I found not very much information about the exact licensing on their webpage, mainly LGPLv3. And no reference that at least major parts of their code is under ALv2 today. At least to me it looks quite confusing and I am happy that we have it much clearer today. But back to the proposal I have to confess that I don't really understand how this should work in detail. MPL is category-b and we can link against it but we can't host any MPL code in our repo. And it would work on completely new code only that is quite well encapsulated and modularized. It can be potentially an option for some of their new filters but that have to be checked in detail and is only one aspect. We talk about million lines of code mainly. It was also mentioned that mixing of ALv2 and MPL code is possible in general and that it is more a problem of the ASF and the processes applied to projects here at Aapche. I was thinking what it should mean, confuse people even more or an indirect recommendation that OpenOffice should be hosted somewhere else? I stopped thinking about it because it's out of scope I think. If
Re: [PROPOSAL] End-of-Life for OpenOffice.org 3.3.0
On 04/11/2013 Rob Weir wrote: I compared the list of languages supported with full installers in OOo 3.3.0 with what we have in AOO 4.0.1. The following languages are missing in AOO 4.0.1 Not bad. At the time we were releasing languages that were 80% complete while we now require 100% completion, so 14 missing languages means that we managed to have full translations for most of the languages, not counting the new languages that are released or almost released. And a few others are almost complete: Norwegian (Bokmål) Hebrew Catalan Arabic The picture I made in http://markmail.org/message/keap3twmumgsrfcy might be more accurate. Namely, we are not seeing a lot of activity in Catalan and Arabic, so we can involve more volunteers there. So maybe we able notification for the remaining ones, which are: Bengali Catalan (Valencian) Estonian Irish Kurdish Macedonian Mongolian Norwegian (Nynorsk) Oromo Serbian (Latin) Norwegian Nynorsk and Serbian Latin are on hold, meaning that we do have bilingual volunteers, but they preferred to focus on the other option (Norwegian Bokmal and Serbian Cyrillic) for the time being. I realized we are assuming that users are able to read the English text at http://www.openoffice.org/development/releases/eol-nl.html ; shall we maybe start with a smaller group of people who have a reasonable likelihood to understand English and see how it works? For example, we might start with Irish and Estonian users, or Irish, Estonian and Norwegian Nynorsk if we want to recruit some more people for the Norwegian team. The reason for being careful is that (if I remember correctly, but this should be checked) the information that an update is available is cached somewhere in OpenOffice, so once we push the notification there's no way to withdraw it. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: OSBA Office Interoperability Workshop last week
I agree, I think this should be commented upon a new post at the AOO blog. Specially because nevertheless you dont spoke on AOO behalf, is also important efforts are being put into interoperability and others. On 11/4/13, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, I would like to inform you about my attendance of a workshop from the OSBA [1] to discuss a potential future project to improve the interoperability of OpenOffice/LibreOffice with the also standardized file format OOXML. But also with focus on an improved and a standardized change tracking proposal. I attended as individual AOO member and IBM representative. I made clear that I am no official spoke person for AOO and explained once more that we don't really have a hierarchy or formal leaders. One part of the workshop was to review the first project [2] which was a success for open source but not directly for OpenOffice. We know all that the patches are not yet integrated in AOO. I reported that I have informed the AOO project/community about the availability [3] of the related patches but that nobody has worked on it so far. And that it is not easy without having access to the test documents. Svante Schubert gave a good overview presentation about the change tracking proposal that is currently discussed and proposed in the related OASIS sub committee. All attendees agreed more or less that it is important to have it more formalized and be part of the ODF standard. Funding to work on the ODF specification is one aspect ... During the workshop new problems were reported and feature requests communicated. This will be me worked out in detail and new use-case specifications will be prepared similar to the first project. When they are available I will share them with the community. Interested developers and companies can give an offer to work on the implementation later, similar to the first project. A further important point was the potential collaboration between OpenOffice and LibreOffice at least on source code level. Some of the sponsors of the first project were not 100% satisfied because they can't benefit from the work they have paid for which I can understand. The availability of patches under ALv2 is not enough to have them integrated. The integration work have to be done and ideally from the people who were paid for. Or at least in time and in collaboration with other volunteers. Anyway something that will be probably improved in the future. Jan Holosevsky from Collabora and a developer on LO and me as a developer from AOO were asked about a proposal/idea how such a collaboration can happen. We all know that it is not so easy to answer and that it comes quite fast to an ideological and political discussion. I simply tried to explain the situation we already have today. In detail I showed the code flow from AOO to LO and the dependency of LO to AOO since their rebase. They mirror our svn repos and merge fixes and features on a regular basis into their code. And most of their source code is under the ALV2 because you can't remove the license. You can only add additional licenses for significant changes you made in a source file. As one possible way for collaboration I proposed to work more directly on the same code base. And that the TDF could continue to provide binaries and could continue with their community work they are doing today (I like of course many things they doing). The only requirement would be to work together on the same code and contribute the changes upstream. I believe this would make most sense and the resources in both project would be used more efficient. And the most important point from my point of view it would reflect the main idea of open source and would benefit the open source spirit. Jan Holesovsky with backing from Simon Phipps proposed that we could use LO code which is under MPLv2. As a reminder the additional MPLv2 is the result of their rebasing work against the AOO code base after our first official release AOO 3.4.1. Well I found not very much information about the exact licensing on their webpage, mainly LGPLv3. And no reference that at least major parts of their code is under ALv2 today. At least to me it looks quite confusing and I am happy that we have it much clearer today. But back to the proposal I have to confess that I don't really understand how this should work in detail. MPL is category-b and we can link against it but we can't host any MPL code in our repo. And it would work on completely new code only that is quite well encapsulated and modularized. It can be potentially an option for some of their new filters but that have to be checked in detail and is only one aspect. We talk about million lines of code mainly. It was also mentioned that mixing of ALv2 and MPL code is possible in general and that it is more a problem of the ASF
