Help file misunderstanding

2021-04-14 Thread Bidouille
Hello folks,

In helpcontent2/source/text/swriter/00.po
We have a lot of 
This german term should be translated?

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Re: Help file misunderstanding

2021-04-14 Thread Dick Groskamp



On 2021/04/14 07:13:40, Bidouille  wrote: 
> Hello folks,
> 
> In helpcontent2/source/text/swriter/00.po
> We have a lot of 
> This german term should be translated?
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I don't think so.
It is de ID of the variable and should not be changed.
If you do you also have to look for the places the variable is used and change 
it there too.
I don't think it's worth it, whether the variable is called 
"stichwortverzeichnisverz1" or "987654321"
makes no different to me. If only it is unique matters.

Just my 2 cts

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Re: [DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS

2021-04-14 Thread Marcus

Am 12.04.21 um 18:40 schrieb Marcus:

Am 10.04.21 um 20:34 schrieb Marcus:

Am 09.04.21 um 21:14 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:

On Thu, Apr 08, 2021 at 12:33:20AM +0200, Marcus wrote:


Am 05.04.21 um 04:33 schrieb Dean.Webber:

Much better.


I like better the fact that now it is a ``real'' link. The button
shape suggests that it's clickable, and something actually happens
when I click it.

But I find the popup a bit ``bulky''. I do not know enough of current
web design, unfortunately, but maybe a new browser window with address
bar and all the Apache header and footer is ``too much''. I would like


me, too. ;-(
Maybe Dave has an idea how to get this done.

Neverthelesss I'll try to change to the popup window tomorrow as it is 
definitely better than what we have now. More changes could be done 
later.



best to see the text appear below, like the light green frame with
installation instructions that pops out when an OS is selected.


As you can see in the popup windows the text is different between the 
platforms and they can change over the time.


When showing this in a (not that) little box depending on what is 
clicked or where the mouse is, I think it can be disturbing.

IMHO the focus on downloading the files is than left to some other stuff.

Maybe the popup window can change to a full window that is opened in a 
new tab?


OK, I'll try this as next task.

Any chance to add install instructions for the Linux, not been 
around enough distros to know the difference between the various 
installs. Seems to be a barrier for some people to use AOO instead 
of the default office suite.


I hesitate to put it beside the other text. As it is a lot more, 
it's more

complex to get it localized.

But I would favor a link that points to a centralized webpage. Like 
it is

done with the "Java and Apache OpenOffice" link.


What about a Wiki page?


Yes, the install instructions could be a separate webpage or indeed 
somewhere is the Wiki where it can be linked to.


I've found this webpage (which was last updated on Nov 2018):

https://www.openoffice.org/download/common/instructions.html

So, in general we have already the instructions. However, they could 
need an update. ;-)


For the beginning I've added a link to this webpage. Changing it to move 
it to the Wiki would be a next task.


Back to the topic:
Do we have now any suggetions for hints that a macOS user could be 
intested in?


Thanks

Marcus


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Integrate download wizard into website?

2021-04-14 Thread Jörg Schmidt
Hello,

I've been experiencing steady small improvements to the download explanations 
(on the Download-Site) for the last few months.

Does anyone see the possibility to offer a parallel wizard on the website in 
the future, which guides step by step through the selection of the correct 
download?

This question does not refer to today's but rather to the possibilities that 
will be given by the future change of the CMS.


greetings,
Jörg


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Re: Integrate download wizard into website?

2021-04-14 Thread Marcus

Am 14.04.21 um 21:27 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:

I've been experiencing steady small improvements to the download explanations 
(on the Download-Site) for the last few months.

Does anyone see the possibility to offer a parallel wizard on the website in 
the future, which guides step by step through the selection of the correct 
download?


I've no idea what you mean, so I'm just asking:

What do you mean with website? What do you mean with wizard?


This question does not refer to today's but rather to the possibilities that 
will be given by the future change of the CMS.


Just FYI. The CMS was already changed, so there won't be any further 
changes or moves.


Thanks

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Re: Integrate download wizard into website?

2021-04-14 Thread Dave Fisher



Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 14, 2021, at 12:44 PM, Marcus  wrote:
> 
> Am 14.04.21 um 21:27 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
>> I've been experiencing steady small improvements to the download 
>> explanations (on the Download-Site) for the last few months.
>> Does anyone see the possibility to offer a parallel wizard on the website in 
>> the future, which guides step by step through the selection of the correct 
>> download?
> 
> I've no idea what you mean, so I'm just asking:
> 
> What do you mean with website? What do you mean with wizard?

It seems like an alternative download page.

Jorg could create a test page like download-wizard

> 
>> This question does not refer to today's but rather to the possibilities that 
>> will be given by the future change of the CMS.
> 
> Just FYI. The CMS was already changed, so there won't be any further changes 
> or moves.

A wizard could be html using the existing JavaScript. Or it could be jBake 
markdown with embedded html.

If in the end it is better then we can consider a switch.

Regards,
Dave

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> Thanks
> 
> Marcus
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Re: AOO 4.1.10-RC1

2021-04-14 Thread Dean . Webber
Thanks. I have some testing for Linux UI I would like to complete over the next 
two weeks. I will use this 4.1.10 for these purposes.

From: Carl Marcum 
Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2021 11:42 AM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
Subject: Re: AOO 4.1.10-RC1

Hi Jim,

This time to the list :)

On 4/13/21 5:27 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> I deem it is time for us to push through with a 4.1.10 release of AOO. I am 
> proposing a AOO 4.1.10-RC1 release sometime over the next week. I am 
> currently building macOS and Linux 64/32 tests (RC1s) for HEAD of AOO41X
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Re: Integrate download wizard into website?

2021-04-14 Thread Dean . Webber
Do you mean like the sourceforge page, that detects the system and offers the 
download
https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/latest/download

Does this run from user-agent-string
https://www.whatismybrowser.com/detect/what-is-my-user-agent

Common user-agent-string (April 14 21)
https://techblog.willshouse.com/2012/01/03/most-common-user-agents/

:)

From: Dave Fisher 
Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2021 7:55 AM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website?



Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 14, 2021, at 12:44 PM, Marcus  wrote:
>
> Am 14.04.21 um 21:27 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
>> I've been experiencing steady small improvements to the download 
>> explanations (on the Download-Site) for the last few months.
>> Does anyone see the possibility to offer a parallel wizard on the website in 
>> the future, which guides step by step through the selection of the correct 
>> download?
>
> I've no idea what you mean, so I'm just asking:
>
> What do you mean with website? What do you mean with wizard?

It seems like an alternative download page.

Jorg could create a test page like download-wizard

>
>> This question does not refer to today's but rather to the possibilities that 
>> will be given by the future change of the CMS.
>
> Just FYI. The CMS was already changed, so there won't be any further changes 
> or moves.

A wizard could be html using the existing JavaScript. Or it could be jBake 
markdown with embedded html.

If in the end it is better then we can consider a switch.

Regards,
Dave

>
> Thanks
>
> Marcus
>
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Re: Integrate download wizard into website?

2021-04-14 Thread Dave Fisher
I think he’s talking about a new version of OpenOffice.org/downloads/index.html

That already does detect the os. There’s a big JavaScript object with a bunch 
of data.

Use your browser developer tools to see how it works.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 14, 2021, at 1:07 PM, Dean.Webber <2018001...@student.sit.ac.nz> wrote:
> 
> Do you mean like the sourceforge page, that detects the system and offers 
> the download
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/latest/download
> 
> Does this run from user-agent-string
> https://www.whatismybrowser.com/detect/what-is-my-user-agent
> 
> Common user-agent-string (April 14 21)
> https://techblog.willshouse.com/2012/01/03/most-common-user-agents/
> 
> :)
> 
> From: Dave Fisher 
> Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2021 7:55 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
> Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website?
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 14, 2021, at 12:44 PM, Marcus  wrote:
>> 
>> Am 14.04.21 um 21:27 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
>>> I've been experiencing steady small improvements to the download 
>>> explanations (on the Download-Site) for the last few months.
>>> Does anyone see the possibility to offer a parallel wizard on the website 
>>> in the future, which guides step by step through the selection of the 
>>> correct download?
>> 
>> I've no idea what you mean, so I'm just asking:
>> 
>> What do you mean with website? What do you mean with wizard?
> 
> It seems like an alternative download page.
> 
> Jorg could create a test page like download-wizard
> 
>> 
>>> This question does not refer to today's but rather to the possibilities 
>>> that will be given by the future change of the CMS.
>> 
>> Just FYI. The CMS was already changed, so there won't be any further changes 
>> or moves.
> 
> A wizard could be html using the existing JavaScript. Or it could be jBake 
> markdown with embedded html.
> 
> If in the end it is better then we can consider a switch.
> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Marcus
>> 
>> 
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Re: Integrate download wizard into website?

2021-04-14 Thread Dean . Webber
I got a 404 error for that link, was that expected?
https://www.openoffice.org/downloads/index.html

From: Dave Fisher 
Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2021 8:11 AM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website?

I think he’s talking about a new version of OpenOffice.org/downloads/index.html

That already does detect the os. There’s a big JavaScript object with a bunch 
of data.

Use your browser developer tools to see how it works.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 14, 2021, at 1:07 PM, Dean.Webber <2018001...@student.sit.ac.nz> wrote:
>
> Do you mean like the sourceforge page, that detects the system and offers 
> the download
> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsourceforge.net%2Fprojects%2Fopenofficeorg.mirror%2Ffiles%2Flatest%2Fdownload&data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C425d421d5ffe43ae59df08d8ff817a9e%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637540278879052770%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=ayzw9oMuSKRSEWiBGs2TuuABpNg%2Fth7hXssZGwwVAZ8%3D&reserved=0
>
> Does this run from user-agent-string
> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.whatismybrowser.com%2Fdetect%2Fwhat-is-my-user-agent&data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C425d421d5ffe43ae59df08d8ff817a9e%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637540278879052770%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=21mOAMZ8GqZFn6lzjME6rBju6y8ECKx07QL8L7Cn%2BaY%3D&reserved=0
>
> Common user-agent-string (April 14 21)
> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftechblog.willshouse.com%2F2012%2F01%2F03%2Fmost-common-user-agents%2F&data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C425d421d5ffe43ae59df08d8ff817a9e%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637540278879052770%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=FzZ67UF7P0kNzszgRrdP%2BuO%2BMZqQQeOnjJGvPII99Z8%3D&reserved=0
>
> :)
> 
> From: Dave Fisher 
> Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2021 7:55 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
> Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website?
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 14, 2021, at 12:44 PM, Marcus  wrote:
>>
>> Am 14.04.21 um 21:27 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
>>> I've been experiencing steady small improvements to the download 
>>> explanations (on the Download-Site) for the last few months.
>>> Does anyone see the possibility to offer a parallel wizard on the website 
>>> in the future, which guides step by step through the selection of the 
>>> correct download?
>>
>> I've no idea what you mean, so I'm just asking:
>>
>> What do you mean with website? What do you mean with wizard?
>
> It seems like an alternative download page.
>
> Jorg could create a test page like download-wizard
>
>>
>>> This question does not refer to today's but rather to the possibilities 
>>> that will be given by the future change of the CMS.
>>
>> Just FYI. The CMS was already changed, so there won't be any further changes 
>> or moves.
>
> A wizard could be html using the existing JavaScript. Or it could be jBake 
> markdown with embedded html.
>
> If in the end it is better then we can consider a switch.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
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Re: Integrate download wizard into website?

2021-04-14 Thread Dave Fisher
Oops - https://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html

> On Apr 14, 2021, at 1:31 PM, Dean.Webber <2018001...@student.sit.ac.nz> wrote:
> 
> I got a 404 error for that link, was that expected?
> https://www.openoffice.org/downloads/index.html
> 
> From: Dave Fisher 
> Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2021 8:11 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
> Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website?
> 
> I think he’s talking about a new version of 
> OpenOffice.org/downloads/index.html
> 
> That already does detect the os. There’s a big JavaScript object with a bunch 
> of data.
> 
> Use your browser developer tools to see how it works.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 14, 2021, at 1:07 PM, Dean.Webber <2018001...@student.sit.ac.nz> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Do you mean like the sourceforge page, that detects the system and offers 
>> the download
>> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsourceforge.net%2Fprojects%2Fopenofficeorg.mirror%2Ffiles%2Flatest%2Fdownload&data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C425d421d5ffe43ae59df08d8ff817a9e%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637540278879052770%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=ayzw9oMuSKRSEWiBGs2TuuABpNg%2Fth7hXssZGwwVAZ8%3D&reserved=0
>> 
>> Does this run from user-agent-string
>> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.whatismybrowser.com%2Fdetect%2Fwhat-is-my-user-agent&data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C425d421d5ffe43ae59df08d8ff817a9e%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637540278879052770%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=21mOAMZ8GqZFn6lzjME6rBju6y8ECKx07QL8L7Cn%2BaY%3D&reserved=0
>> 
>> Common user-agent-string (April 14 21)
>> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftechblog.willshouse.com%2F2012%2F01%2F03%2Fmost-common-user-agents%2F&data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C425d421d5ffe43ae59df08d8ff817a9e%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637540278879052770%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=FzZ67UF7P0kNzszgRrdP%2BuO%2BMZqQQeOnjJGvPII99Z8%3D&reserved=0
>> 
>> :)
>> 
>> From: Dave Fisher 
>> Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2021 7:55 AM
>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
>> Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 14, 2021, at 12:44 PM, Marcus  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Am 14.04.21 um 21:27 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
 I've been experiencing steady small improvements to the download 
 explanations (on the Download-Site) for the last few months.
 Does anyone see the possibility to offer a parallel wizard on the website 
 in the future, which guides step by step through the selection of the 
 correct download?
>>> 
>>> I've no idea what you mean, so I'm just asking:
>>> 
>>> What do you mean with website? What do you mean with wizard?
>> 
>> It seems like an alternative download page.
>> 
>> Jorg could create a test page like download-wizard
>> 
>>> 
 This question does not refer to today's but rather to the possibilities 
 that will be given by the future change of the CMS.
>>> 
>>> Just FYI. The CMS was already changed, so there won't be any further 
>>> changes or moves.
>> 
>> A wizard could be html using the existing JavaScript. Or it could be jBake 
>> markdown with embedded html.
>> 
>> If in the end it is better then we can consider a switch.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Marcus
>>> 
>>> 
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RE: Integrate download wizard into website?

2021-04-14 Thread Jörg Schmidt
 

> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:w...@apache.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 9:56 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website?
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Apr 14, 2021, at 12:44 PM, Marcus  wrote:
> > 
> > Am 14.04.21 um 21:27 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
> >> I've been experiencing steady small improvements to the 
> download explanations (on the Download-Site) for the last few months.
> >> Does anyone see the possibility to offer a parallel wizard 
> on the website in the future, which guides step by step 
> through the selection of the correct download?
> > 
> > I've no idea what you mean, so I'm just asking:
> > 
> > What do you mean with website? What do you mean with wizard?
> 
> It seems like an alternative download page.
> 
> Jorg could create a test page like download-wizard

mmh ... only with which technical means? PHP? That would be difficult for me. 
JavaScript? Maybe, but it's not really easy for me either.

I'm not very familiar with web programming, unfortunately. In Basic (StarBasic, 
VBA, VB ...) a wizard would be no problem for me, only that uses us nothing for 
the website.


Jörg


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RE: Integrate download wizard into website?

2021-04-14 Thread Jörg Schmidt
> -Original Message-
> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 9:44 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website?
> 
> Am 14.04.21 um 21:27 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
> > I've been experiencing steady small improvements to the 
> download explanations (on the Download-Site) for the last few months.
> > 
> > Does anyone see the possibility to offer a parallel wizard 
> on the website in the future, which guides step by step 
> through the selection of the correct download?
> 
> I've no idea what you mean, so I'm just asking:
> 
> What do you mean with website? What do you mean with wizard?

I mean step by step questions, explanations and choices, e.g. you could start 
by asking the operating system and if the user chooses "Windows" you could show 
him directly the additional info that he has to make sure to install a 32 bit 
Java later ... 

> > This question does not refer to today's but rather to the 
> possibilities that will be given by the future change of the CMS.
> 
> Just FYI. The CMS was already changed, so there won't be any further 
> changes or moves.

Sorry, then my knowledge is actually wrong, because I was always of the opinion 
that there were technical constraints that would force me to revise the content 
of the AOO website in parallel with the introduction of the new CMS.

I must then see that I familiarize myself with the new CMS. With the old CMS I 
got along reasonably well.



Jörg




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RE: Integrate download wizard into website?

2021-04-14 Thread Jörg Schmidt
 

> -Original Message-
> From: Dean.Webber [mailto:2018001...@student.sit.ac.nz] 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 10:07 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website?
> 
> Do you mean like the sourceforge page, that detects the 
> system and offers the download
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/la
> test/download

No. At least _I_ mean an assistant that asks the user what he wants.

And I opened the thread here because on the de-users list once again someone 
asked because he did not understand how to use the download page.
So the person is not able to understand that if he wants an installation 
package for "Windows, german, version 4.1", he has to set it in the listboxes 
of the download page first and then click on the appropriate button. 



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Re: Integrate download wizard into website?

2021-04-14 Thread Peter Kovacs



On 14.04.21 22:42, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
  


-Original Message-
From: Dean.Webber [mailto:2018001...@student.sit.ac.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 10:07 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website?

Do you mean like the sourceforge page, that detects the
system and offers the download
https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/la
test/download

No. At least _I_ mean an assistant that asks the user what he wants.

And I opened the thread here because on the de-users list once again someone 
asked because he did not understand how to use the download page.
So the person is not able to understand that if he wants an installation package for 
"Windows, german, version 4.1", he has to set it in the listboxes of the 
download page first and then click on the appropriate button.


IMHO All you need to know is HTML. The Code is really only good to make 
a preselection guess, and can be skipped.


But if I get your intend right it is a different Layout. Maybe something 
like:



Do you want to Download OpenOffice or only add additional Languages?

Choice Download OpenOffice (One Page)

1. Please Select your OS 

2. Please Select the Version of OpenOffice ; maybe we should 
have a default latest


3. Please select your main Language

4. Download Button

Choice Languages (another page)

Please select Language you want to add to OpenOffice 


Something like that?





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Problmes useing changes with Writer

2021-04-14 Thread Keith N. McKenna
Greetings all;

I am currently having problems with accepting changes with AOO Writer
4.1.9 on both Windows 10 Pro and Windows 7, both 64 bit. This is
currently having an impact on being able to properly edit the New 4.1.x
documentation.

When I highlight and a change and press Accept in the edit > Changes
dialog the systems go unresponsive and then crash. On Windows 10 there
is no error message, the program just quiets, on Windows 7 the error
message is OpenOffice 4.1.9 has stopped working A problem caused the
program to stop working correctly.Windows will close the program and
notify you if a solution is available.When you click the close button
the program gracefully closes.

Just wanted to check if others have seen the problem before I open a bug
in Bugzilla./

Regards
Keith




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Re: Integrate download wizard into website?

2021-04-14 Thread Marcus

Am 14.04.21 um 22:42 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:



-Original Message-
From: Dean.Webber [mailto:2018001...@student.sit.ac.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 10:07 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website?

Do you mean like the sourceforge page, that detects the
system and offers the download
https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/la
test/download


No. At least _I_ mean an assistant that asks the user what he wants.

And I opened the thread here because on the de-users list once again someone 
asked because he did not understand how to use the download page.
So the person is not able to understand that if he wants an installation package for 
"Windows, german, version 4.1", he has to set it in the listboxes of the 
download page first and then click on the appropriate button.


with a quick search I can only find 1 request from April, 13th 2021 and 
nothing from 2020. Right? Where can I find the others?


Thanks

Marcus


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Re: Integrate download wizard into website?

2021-04-14 Thread Marcus

Am 14.04.21 um 22:34 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:

-Original Message-
From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de]
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 9:44 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website?

Am 14.04.21 um 21:27 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:

I've been experiencing steady small improvements to the

download explanations (on the Download-Site) for the last few months.


Does anyone see the possibility to offer a parallel wizard

on the website in the future, which guides step by step
through the selection of the correct download?

I've no idea what you mean, so I'm just asking:

What do you mean with website? What do you mean with wizard?


I mean step by step questions, explanations and choices, e.g. you could start 
by asking the operating system


hm, why is it needed to ask questions to present the user a download 
choice? Our download webpage today tries to guess the best choice. When 
the user wants something different, then it's very easy to select 
something different.


The number of choices for the OSs are very clear. The language items are 
also really clear. And the highest version is the latest. If the 
presentation or naming is unclear, then we can try to improve it.


Or asking somehow different:
What is the value add to change the download principle? What is missing 
today? What could be improved?



and if the user chooses "Windows" you could show him directly the additional 
info that he has to make sure to install a 32 bit Java later ...


OK, right, this an be improved. But the work I'm doing these days is not 
finished yet. So, suggestions are welcome.


Thanks

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Re: Problmes useing changes with Writer

2021-04-14 Thread Marcus

Am 14.04.21 um 23:11 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:

Greetings all;

I am currently having problems with accepting changes with AOO Writer
4.1.9 on both Windows 10 Pro and Windows 7, both 64 bit. This is
currently having an impact on being able to properly edit the New 4.1.x
documentation.

When I highlight and a change and press Accept in the edit > Changes
dialog the systems go unresponsive and then crash. On Windows 10 there
is no error message, the program just quiets, on Windows 7 the error
message is OpenOffice 4.1.9 has stopped working A problem caused the
program to stop working correctly.Windows will close the program and
notify you if a solution is available.When you click the close button
the program gracefully closes.

Just wanted to check if others have seen the problem before I open a bug
in Bugzilla./


OK; I'm starting with the usual questions to get some further details: ;-)

- Does it happen with a special document or also with more or all you
  have tried?

- Does it also occur in Calc?

- If accessible for you, also a problem on Linux and / or macOS?

Thanks

Marcus


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[GitHub] [openoffice] Pilot-Pirx opened a new pull request #126: Quick fix to get the version string right in the About dialog

2021-04-14 Thread GitBox


Pilot-Pirx opened a new pull request #126:
URL: https://github.com/apache/openoffice/pull/126


   This is not really a good solution. But we can use it until someone else has 
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Re: Problmes useing changes with Writer

2021-04-14 Thread Keith N. McKenna
On 2021-04-14 17:36, Marcus wrote:
> Am 14.04.21 um 23:11 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:
>> Greetings all;
>>
>> I am currently having problems with accepting changes with AOO Writer
>> 4.1.9 on both Windows 10 Pro and Windows 7, both 64 bit. This is
>> currently having an impact on being able to properly edit the New 4.1.x
>> documentation.
>>
>> When I highlight and a change and press Accept in the edit > Changes
>> dialog the systems go unresponsive and then crash. On Windows 10 there
>> is no error message, the program just quiets, on Windows 7 the error
>> message is OpenOffice 4.1.9 has stopped working A problem caused the
>> program to stop working correctly.Windows will close the program and
>> notify you if a solution is available.When you click the close button
>> the program gracefully closes.
>>
>> Just wanted to check if others have seen the problem before I open a bug
>> in Bugzilla./
> 
> OK; I'm starting with the usual questions to get some further details: ;-)
> 
> - Does it happen with a special document or also with more or all you
>   have tried?
> 
> - Does it also occur in Calc?
> 
> - If accessible for you, also a problem on Linux and / or macOS?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Marcus
Hi Marcus;

It has happened with all the Getting Started Guide chapters that I have
tried. Haven't tried calc will do a quick test document for that.At this
time I only have access to my 2 Windows machines.

Regards,
Keith



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Re: Problmes useing changes with Writer

2021-04-14 Thread Keith N. McKenna
On 2021-04-14 19:21, Keith N. McKenna wrote:
> On 2021-04-14 17:36, Marcus wrote:
>> Am 14.04.21 um 23:11 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:
>>> Greetings all;
>>>
>>> I am currently having problems with accepting changes with AOO Writer
>>> 4.1.9 on both Windows 10 Pro and Windows 7, both 64 bit. This is
>>> currently having an impact on being able to properly edit the New 4.1.x
>>> documentation.
>>>
>>> When I highlight and a change and press Accept in the edit > Changes
>>> dialog the systems go unresponsive and then crash. On Windows 10 there
>>> is no error message, the program just quiets, on Windows 7 the error
>>> message is OpenOffice 4.1.9 has stopped working A problem caused the
>>> program to stop working correctly.Windows will close the program and
>>> notify you if a solution is available.When you click the close button
>>> the program gracefully closes.
>>>
>>> Just wanted to check if others have seen the problem before I open a bug
>>> in Bugzilla./
>>
>> OK; I'm starting with the usual questions to get some further details: ;-)
>>
>> - Does it happen with a special document or also with more or all you
>>   have tried?
>>
>> - Does it also occur in Calc?
>>
>> - If accessible for you, also a problem on Linux and / or macOS?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Marcus
> Hi Marcus;
> 
> It has happened with all the Getting Started Guide chapters that I have
> tried. Haven't tried calc will do a quick test document for that.At this
> time I only have access to my 2 Windows machines.
> 
> Regards,
> Keith
> 
I tried a quick test with calc with no problem. Then I tried an
unrelated Writer file with no problem. It appears that the problem is
related only from the files in openoffice-docs/Getting-Stared-Guide.

I will do some further tests on that do not appear to be touched yet.

Regards
Keith



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Re: Problmes useing changes with Writer

2021-04-14 Thread Dave Fisher



> On Apr 14, 2021, at 4:53 PM, Keith N. McKenna  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2021-04-14 19:21, Keith N. McKenna wrote:
>> On 2021-04-14 17:36, Marcus wrote:
>>> Am 14.04.21 um 23:11 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:
 Greetings all;
 
 I am currently having problems with accepting changes with AOO Writer
 4.1.9 on both Windows 10 Pro and Windows 7, both 64 bit. This is
 currently having an impact on being able to properly edit the New 4.1.x
 documentation.
 
 When I highlight and a change and press Accept in the edit > Changes
 dialog the systems go unresponsive and then crash. On Windows 10 there
 is no error message, the program just quiets, on Windows 7 the error
 message is OpenOffice 4.1.9 has stopped working A problem caused the
 program to stop working correctly.Windows will close the program and
 notify you if a solution is available.When you click the close button
 the program gracefully closes.
 
 Just wanted to check if others have seen the problem before I open a bug
 in Bugzilla./
>>> 
>>> OK; I'm starting with the usual questions to get some further details: ;-)
>>> 
>>> - Does it happen with a special document or also with more or all you
>>>   have tried?
>>> 
>>> - Does it also occur in Calc?
>>> 
>>> - If accessible for you, also a problem on Linux and / or macOS?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Marcus
>> Hi Marcus;
>> 
>> It has happened with all the Getting Started Guide chapters that I have
>> tried. Haven't tried calc will do a quick test document for that.At this
>> time I only have access to my 2 Windows machines.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Keith
>> 
> I tried a quick test with calc with no problem. Then I tried an
> unrelated Writer file with no problem. It appears that the problem is
> related only from the files in openoffice-docs/Getting-Stared-Guide.
> 
> I will do some further tests on that do not appear to be touched yet.

Maybe try to do a Save As to a new filename first?

Regards,
Dave


> 
> Regards
> Keith
> 


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RE: Integrate download wizard into website?

2021-04-14 Thread Jörg Schmidt
> -Original Message-
> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 11:18 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website?
> 
> Am 14.04.21 um 22:34 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 9:44 PM
> >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website?
> >>
> >> Am 14.04.21 um 21:27 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
> >>> I've been experiencing steady small improvements to the
> >> download explanations (on the Download-Site) for the last 
> few months.
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone see the possibility to offer a parallel wizard
> >> on the website in the future, which guides step by step
> >> through the selection of the correct download?
> >>
> >> I've no idea what you mean, so I'm just asking:
> >>
> >> What do you mean with website? What do you mean with wizard?
> > 
> > I mean step by step questions, explanations and choices, 
> e.g. you could start by asking the operating system
> 
> hm, why is it needed to ask questions to present the user a download 
> choice? 

Please let me answer like this:

I don't know if this is really mandatory, I'm just making a suggestion for 
improvements, in the sense of the improvements that have been made to the 
download website in the last few months.
All these improvements were basically aimed at one thing: to improve the 
understanding of technical issues, although it is actually about banal things 
that a normal user should know without additional help.

> Our download webpage today tries to guess the best 
> choice. When 
> the user wants something different, then it's very easy to select 
> something different.
> 
> The number of choices for the OSs are very clear. The 
> language items are 
> also really clear. 

That's exactly what I wrote myself on the de-users list and expressed my lack 
of understanding that users don't seem to be able to use a website that is as 
easy to use as a vending machine.
Nevertheless, I have to take note that there are such users.

> > and if the user chooses "Windows" you could show him 
> directly the additional info that he has to make sure to 
> install a 32 bit Java later ...
> 
> OK, right, this an be improved. But the work I'm doing these 
> days is not 
> finished yet. So, suggestions are welcome.

And my suggestion comes from the observation that the improvements of the last 
months didn't seem optimal(*), because they required the user to actively do 
something to get an additional info (either place the mouse over a button to 
get a tooltip/teaser or actually click on a button to get an info page in a 
separate window).

(*)
this is not a criticism, but the observation that here, on the list, it was 
talked about that the current improvements are only implemented the way they 
are, because there are technical limitations of the implementation



total:
my suggestion was only a suggestion. If the opinion of the list tends to be 
that my suggestion is unnecessary, I have no problem with that.


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RE: Integrate download wizard into website?

2021-04-14 Thread Jörg Schmidt
> -Original Message-
> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 11:14 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website?
> 
> Am 14.04.21 um 22:42 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
> > 
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Dean.Webber [mailto:2018001...@student.sit.ac.nz]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 10:07 PM
> >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website?
> >>
> >> Do you mean like the sourceforge page, that detects the
> >> system and offers the download
> >> https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/la
> >> test/download
> > 
> > No. At least _I_ mean an assistant that asks the user what he wants.
> > 
> > And I opened the thread here because on the de-users list 
> once again someone asked because he did not understand how to 
> use the download page.
> > So the person is not able to understand that if he wants an 
> installation package for "Windows, german, version 4.1", he 
> has to set it in the listboxes of the download page first and 
> then click on the appropriate button.
> 
> with a quick search I can only find 1 request from April, 
> 13th 2021 and 
> nothing from 2020. Right? Where can I find the others?

I can't tell you specific things specifically, because I don't save links to 
corresponding statements from users.

My assessment of the topic comes from the situation that I do 15-20 hours of 
voluntary support for AOO week after week, primarily in the forum 
http://de.openoffice.info and on users...@openoffice.apache.org.


greetings,
Jörg


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