RE: Integrate download wizard into website?
> -Original Message- > From: Dave Fisher [mailto:wave4d...@comcast.net] > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 8:21 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 18, 2021, at 10:12 AM, Jörg Schmidt > wrote: > > > > > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:w...@apache.org] > >> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 6:43 PM > >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > >> Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website? > >> I opened a discussion with INFRA. These things take time. > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-21497 > > > > Thank you, this is great. > > > > (Sorry, I have read the discussion there, at the moment, > only briefly. If we have to decide mandatory whether to use > SF or Mirror, this will of course have to be considered carefully.) > > > >>> I don't want to go into both things (JavaScript, Mirror) > >> here, but I would like to ask you to keep them in mind. > >> > >> A download site that works without JavaScript is not a wizard > > > > JavaScript may be the best technical option, but Flash, > *for example*, would be another alternative (regardless of > whether you like it), so you can't say it would only work > using JavaScript. > > Flash is dead. That's right, but you misunderstand me if you assume I wanted to use Flash. I mentioned Flash as an example because I had mentioned PHP before and didn't want to repeat that. greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Integrate download wizard into website?
Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2021, at 10:12 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: > > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:w...@apache.org] >> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 6:43 PM >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >> Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website? >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 18, 2021, at 12:24 AM, Jörg Schmidt >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 7:25 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website? > Am 16.04.21 um 10:29 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] >>> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 9:20 AM >>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >>> Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website? >>> >>> Indeed, the way can be different how to show these hints. But >>> I think we >>> agree already that the hint presentation could be more > automatic and >>> context-sensitive. >> >> Exactly, I agree with you on that. > > OK, then we have our basis. > > Next step would be to clearify the requirements. Here I would > like to be > generic as best as possible; which means to keep out > technical details > for the moment. > > When this is done we can try to find a technical solution >>> to get the > requirement implemented. > > What do you think? >>> >>> The essential requirements for Windows are clear and >> concern the 32-bit Java 'problem'. >>> For Linux, at least the issues of system integration and >> uninstalling LO are also involved. >>> About MacOS I personally know nothing. >>> >>> Maybe it would be best if I say here that I will think >> about detailed requirements together with the update (*) of >> the German installation manual? >>> >>> (*): >>> I have to explain this briefly: as part of the ProOO-Box's >> work on the German AOO documentaion (see comments on >> http://www.openoffice.org/de/doc/index.html), I am currently >> working specifically on the installation manual. Problem is >> that I, due to lack of time, unfortunately only very slow >> progress, advantage is that I really binding work on it. >>> As sorry as I am, I can't say until when this work will be >> done, but it will take _at least_ a few more months. >>> >>> >>> >>> Yes, it makes sense to leave out technical details for now, >> but I recently came across (through an info on users-de@...) >> the following issue where I think improvement is needed (in >> the medium term): >>> our download site works almost not at all without >> JavaScript. Namely the linking to >> https://www.apache.org/dyn/aoo-closer.cgi/openoffice/ does >> not help the user at all because there are no relevant >> mirrors for AOO. >> >> aoo-closer.cgi was an idea before SourceForge. It doesn’t >> work for the reason you mention. >>> I had already addressed the 'problem' with mirrors myself >> (here on this list), but got little response. >> >> I opened a discussion with INFRA. These things take time. >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-21497 > > Thank you, this is great. > > (Sorry, I have read the discussion there, at the moment, only briefly. If we > have to decide mandatory whether to use SF or Mirror, this will of course > have to be considered carefully.) > >>> I don't want to go into both things (JavaScript, Mirror) >> here, but I would like to ask you to keep them in mind. >> >> A download site that works without JavaScript is not a wizard > > JavaScript may be the best technical option, but Flash, *for example*, would > be another alternative (regardless of whether you like it), so you can't say > it would only work using JavaScript. Flash is dead. But you can compile flash source code into JavaScript / css using Apache Royale. This is an approach that I am interested in learning for other reasons. > > But please: I don't want to argue about JavaScript, I just wanted to draw > attention to the problem I had named. Sure. Regards, Dave > > > > Jörg > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Integrate download wizard into website?
> -Original Message- > From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 7:05 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website? > > Am 18.04.21 um 18:54 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] > >> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 6:12 PM > >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > >> Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website? > >> > >> Am 18.04.21 um 09:24 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: > > > >>> Yes, it makes sense to leave out technical details for now, > >> but I recently came across (through an info on users-de@...) > >> the following issue where I think improvement is needed (in > >> the medium term): > >>> our download site works almost not at all without JavaScript. > >> > >> for me it's working. When clicking the green text you will be > >> redirected > >> to SF.net and you can download from there. > > > > JavaScript is disabled an i use: > > http://www.openoffice.org/de/download/index.html > > > > (note the .../de/) > > > > and if I click on the green text block there I get to: > > https://www.apache.org/dyn/aoo-closer.cgi/openoffice/ > > thanks for the hint. Will be fixed with the next update on > the website. fine, thank you. Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Integrate download wizard into website?
> -Original Message- > From: Dave Fisher [mailto:w...@apache.org] > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 6:43 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 18, 2021, at 12:24 AM, Jörg Schmidt > wrote: > > > > > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] > >> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 7:25 PM > >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > >> Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website? > >> > >> Am 16.04.21 um 10:29 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: > -Original Message- > From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 9:20 AM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website? > > Indeed, the way can be different how to show these hints. But > I think we > agree already that the hint presentation could be more > >> automatic and > context-sensitive. > >>> > >>> Exactly, I agree with you on that. > >> > >> OK, then we have our basis. > >> > >> Next step would be to clearify the requirements. Here I would > >> like to be > >> generic as best as possible; which means to keep out > >> technical details > >> for the moment. > >> > >> When this is done we can try to find a technical solution > to get the > >> requirement implemented. > >> > >> What do you think? > > > > The essential requirements for Windows are clear and > concern the 32-bit Java 'problem'. > > For Linux, at least the issues of system integration and > uninstalling LO are also involved. > > About MacOS I personally know nothing. > > > > Maybe it would be best if I say here that I will think > about detailed requirements together with the update (*) of > the German installation manual? > > > > (*): > > I have to explain this briefly: as part of the ProOO-Box's > work on the German AOO documentaion (see comments on > http://www.openoffice.org/de/doc/index.html), I am currently > working specifically on the installation manual. Problem is > that I, due to lack of time, unfortunately only very slow > progress, advantage is that I really binding work on it. > > As sorry as I am, I can't say until when this work will be > done, but it will take _at least_ a few more months. > > > > > > > > Yes, it makes sense to leave out technical details for now, > but I recently came across (through an info on users-de@...) > the following issue where I think improvement is needed (in > the medium term): > > our download site works almost not at all without > JavaScript. Namely the linking to > https://www.apache.org/dyn/aoo-closer.cgi/openoffice/ does > not help the user at all because there are no relevant > mirrors for AOO. > > aoo-closer.cgi was an idea before SourceForge. It doesn’t > work for the reason you mention. > > I had already addressed the 'problem' with mirrors myself > (here on this list), but got little response. > > I opened a discussion with INFRA. These things take time. > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-21497 Thank you, this is great. (Sorry, I have read the discussion there, at the moment, only briefly. If we have to decide mandatory whether to use SF or Mirror, this will of course have to be considered carefully.) > > I don't want to go into both things (JavaScript, Mirror) > here, but I would like to ask you to keep them in mind. > > A download site that works without JavaScript is not a wizard JavaScript may be the best technical option, but Flash, *for example*, would be another alternative (regardless of whether you like it), so you can't say it would only work using JavaScript. But please: I don't want to argue about JavaScript, I just wanted to draw attention to the problem I had named. Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Integrate download wizard into website?
Am 18.04.21 um 18:54 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: -Original Message- From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 6:12 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website? Am 18.04.21 um 09:24 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: Yes, it makes sense to leave out technical details for now, but I recently came across (through an info on users-de@...) the following issue where I think improvement is needed (in the medium term): our download site works almost not at all without JavaScript. for me it's working. When clicking the green text you will be redirected to SF.net and you can download from there. JavaScript is disabled an i use: http://www.openoffice.org/de/download/index.html (note the .../de/) and if I click on the green text block there I get to: https://www.apache.org/dyn/aoo-closer.cgi/openoffice/ thanks for the hint. Will be fixed with the next update on the website. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Integrate download wizard into website?
> -Original Message- > From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 6:12 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website? > > Am 18.04.21 um 09:24 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: > > Yes, it makes sense to leave out technical details for now, > but I recently came across (through an info on users-de@...) > the following issue where I think improvement is needed (in > the medium term): > > our download site works almost not at all without JavaScript. > > for me it's working. When clicking the green text you will be > redirected > to SF.net and you can download from there. JavaScript is disabled an i use: http://www.openoffice.org/de/download/index.html (note the .../de/) and if I click on the green text block there I get to: https://www.apache.org/dyn/aoo-closer.cgi/openoffice/ Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Integrate download wizard into website?
Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2021, at 12:24 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: > > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] >> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 7:25 PM >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >> Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website? >> >> Am 16.04.21 um 10:29 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: -Original Message- From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 9:20 AM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website? Indeed, the way can be different how to show these hints. But I think we agree already that the hint presentation could be more >> automatic and context-sensitive. >>> >>> Exactly, I agree with you on that. >> >> OK, then we have our basis. >> >> Next step would be to clearify the requirements. Here I would >> like to be >> generic as best as possible; which means to keep out >> technical details >> for the moment. >> >> When this is done we can try to find a technical solution to get the >> requirement implemented. >> >> What do you think? > > The essential requirements for Windows are clear and concern the 32-bit Java > 'problem'. > For Linux, at least the issues of system integration and uninstalling LO are > also involved. > About MacOS I personally know nothing. > > Maybe it would be best if I say here that I will think about detailed > requirements together with the update (*) of the German installation manual? > > (*): > I have to explain this briefly: as part of the ProOO-Box's work on the German > AOO documentaion (see comments on > http://www.openoffice.org/de/doc/index.html), I am currently working > specifically on the installation manual. Problem is that I, due to lack of > time, unfortunately only very slow progress, advantage is that I really > binding work on it. > As sorry as I am, I can't say until when this work will be done, but it will > take _at least_ a few more months. > > > > Yes, it makes sense to leave out technical details for now, but I recently > came across (through an info on users-de@...) the following issue where I > think improvement is needed (in the medium term): > our download site works almost not at all without JavaScript. Namely the > linking to https://www.apache.org/dyn/aoo-closer.cgi/openoffice/ does not > help the user at all because there are no relevant mirrors for AOO. aoo-closer.cgi was an idea before SourceForge. It doesn’t work for the reason you mention. > I had already addressed the 'problem' with mirrors myself (here on this > list), but got little response. I opened a discussion with INFRA. These things take time. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-21497 > > I don't want to go into both things (JavaScript, Mirror) here, but I would > like to ask you to keep them in mind. A download site that works without JavaScript is not a wizard it would be a form perhaps many on separate pages. I have an idea, but don’t wait for me because I won’t have time for a few months. Regards, Dave > > > > > Jörg > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >
Re: Integrate download wizard into website?
Am 18.04.21 um 09:24 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: -Original Message- From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 7:25 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website? Am 16.04.21 um 10:29 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: -Original Message- From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 9:20 AM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website? Indeed, the way can be different how to show these hints. But I think we agree already that the hint presentation could be more automatic and context-sensitive. Exactly, I agree with you on that. OK, then we have our basis. Next step would be to clearify the requirements. Here I would like to be generic as best as possible; which means to keep out technical details for the moment. When this is done we can try to find a technical solution to get the requirement implemented. What do you think? The essential requirements for Windows are clear and concern the 32-bit Java 'problem'. For Linux, at least the issues of system integration and uninstalling LO are also involved. About MacOS I personally know nothing. Maybe it would be best if I say here that I will think about detailed requirements together with the update (*) of the German installation manual? (*): I have to explain this briefly: as part of the ProOO-Box's work on the German AOO documentaion (see comments on http://www.openoffice.org/de/doc/index.html), I am currently working specifically on the installation manual. Problem is that I, due to lack of time, unfortunately only very slow progress, advantage is that I really binding work on it. As sorry as I am, I can't say until when this work will be done, but it will take _at least_ a few more months. Yes, it makes sense to leave out technical details for now, but I recently came across (through an info on users-de@...) the following issue where I think improvement is needed (in the medium term): our download site works almost not at all without JavaScript. for me it's working. When clicking the green text you will be redirected to SF.net and you can download from there. > Namely the linking to https://www.apache.org/dyn/aoo- closer.cgi/openoffice/ does not help the user at all because there are no relevant mirrors for AOO. Where have you find this link? I don't see it on the download webpage. In general: When you have no chance to interrupt your current work to help here, then we can wait for you until you have time for helping here. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: AOO 4.1.10-RC1
Hi all, I think we have all Patches in now? Time to branch off AOO4110 and make a Release Candidate! Then we can bump up AOO41X, so we can merge Carl's Test fixes. Regards, Matthias Am 14.04.21 um 01:42 schrieb Carl Marcum: > Hi Jim, > > This time to the list :) > > On 4/13/21 5:27 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: >> I deem it is time for us to push through with a 4.1.10 release of >> AOO. I am proposing a AOO 4.1.10-RC1 release sometime over the next >> week. I am currently building macOS and Linux 64/32 tests (RC1s) for >> HEAD of AOO41X >> - >> > That's great Thanks! > Carl > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
RE: Integrate download wizard into website?
> -Original Message- > From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 7:25 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website? > > Am 16.04.21 um 10:29 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] > >> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 9:20 AM > >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > >> Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website? > >> > >> Indeed, the way can be different how to show these hints. But > >> I think we > >> agree already that the hint presentation could be more > automatic and > >> context-sensitive. > > > > Exactly, I agree with you on that. > > OK, then we have our basis. > > Next step would be to clearify the requirements. Here I would > like to be > generic as best as possible; which means to keep out > technical details > for the moment. > > When this is done we can try to find a technical solution to get the > requirement implemented. > > What do you think? The essential requirements for Windows are clear and concern the 32-bit Java 'problem'. For Linux, at least the issues of system integration and uninstalling LO are also involved. About MacOS I personally know nothing. Maybe it would be best if I say here that I will think about detailed requirements together with the update (*) of the German installation manual? (*): I have to explain this briefly: as part of the ProOO-Box's work on the German AOO documentaion (see comments on http://www.openoffice.org/de/doc/index.html), I am currently working specifically on the installation manual. Problem is that I, due to lack of time, unfortunately only very slow progress, advantage is that I really binding work on it. As sorry as I am, I can't say until when this work will be done, but it will take _at least_ a few more months. Yes, it makes sense to leave out technical details for now, but I recently came across (through an info on users-de@...) the following issue where I think improvement is needed (in the medium term): our download site works almost not at all without JavaScript. Namely the linking to https://www.apache.org/dyn/aoo-closer.cgi/openoffice/ does not help the user at all because there are no relevant mirrors for AOO. I had already addressed the 'problem' with mirrors myself (here on this list), but got little response. I don't want to go into both things (JavaScript, Mirror) here, but I would like to ask you to keep them in mind. Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
