Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC)
On 7/14/13 10:05 AM, Michal Hriň wrote: Dňa Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:42:03 +0200 Juergen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com napísal: Am Sonntag, 14. Juli 2013 um 06:35 schrieb imacat: On 2013/07/13 20:52, Ariel Constenla-Haile said: On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 12:20:32PM +0200, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 07/13/2013 05:14 AM, schrieb Ariel Constenla-Haile: On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 11:54 PM, imacatima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw wrote: Sorry. I did not see Traditional Chinese version. Did I missed something on the Traditional Chinese version? UI translation is not complete: https://translate.apache.org/zh_TW/aoo40/ I can see that 97% is translated. Not that bad. Do we have an agreement that we need 100% for a release? http://markmail.org/message/pxgvjuw2j3ukqsom Concerns should have been risen at that time, it was discussed on the mailing list, and properly tagged (if it does not happen on the mailing list...). I'm asking because I really don't know it and in former OOo times we have done releases for languages with at least 80% translated UI [1]. So, maybe a change that I haven't seen in the last weeks. For this particular case, the translation of the main 4.0.0 feature is incomplete https://translate.apache.org/zh_TW/aoo40/svx/source/sidebar/ How serious would it be to release this translation in such a state? The same applies to other languages released in 3.4.* but not in this 4.0.0 RC. Hmm... I see the problem with side bar translation. And I'm very sorry that I was in my research paper and did not notice the previous discussion. However, there are several issues of concern: 1. I am going to give a talk in our largest local open source conference (COSCUP 2013, http://coscup.org/) on 8/3, and plan to announce OpenOffice 4.0. It is the first talk after the key notes. It would be very embarrassing to announce it without a local version released. 2. There would be a large-scale deployment around August or September (6000-7000) in a government department, and they are planning to join our development force in order to fix some Chinese problems in governmental use. If OpenOffice 4.0 Traditional Chinese version is not available at that time, we could only give them 3.4.1, which their development could not be based on. I've asked our local community to help the translation in urgent. If we can finish the Traditional Chinese sidebar translation with certain amount, could it be OK to release it? let translate the UI First and then we can figure out what's possible. Hopefully some other languages can continue the translation as well and we can think about a language only release where I am a big fan of to support local communities. But in general we have discussed it and I would have not released German (my mother language) if the UI translation would have been not complete. Just to make sure that we need active local communities who participate in the project or at least in the translation part. Hi Juergen, Yust today German translation is done. I know this, it was an example only. If not complete I would not have released it I and French community made some changes in translations. Did you think about rebuilding some (sk, fr, de maybe cn) binaries ? no, the whole process takes time and these of course useful improvements will go in the next version. I recommend to create a new issue for translation updates. Otherwise it is hard to track that something has changed. Juergen - Michal Hriň It would be even better if the help would be translated as well but that is a much higher burden and we are more flexible here. Juergen Regards -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
[DISCUSS] [VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC)
On 7/14/13 11:31 PM, Raphael Bircher wrote: -1 We can't release a version with a potential crash in selection copy/paste on windows 64 bit versions. it is your right to vote as you want and what your personal opinion is. But as I mentioned earlier it would help us if concerns are more detailed and more qualified that we can take it serious. I can only guess that you mean the problem regarding Windows 8 64 bit and here several people tried to reproduce the issue but nobody was able to reproduce. For me there is no copy/paste problem at the moment with the RC. Juergen Am 12.07.13 11:11, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: Hi all, this is a call for vote on releasing the following release candidate as Apache OpenOffice 4.0. This will be an important release for Apache OpenOffice with bigger visible UI changes. It is a key milestone to continue the success of OpenOffice. This release candidate provides the following important changes compared to former OpenOffice releases: (1) a major UI change/improvement by introducing a new sidebar concept where the idea is the comes from IBM's Symphony. It's the combination of reimplementing a complete new framework for sidebars and merging the existing sidebar in impress and code of various content panels from the Symphony grant in OpenOffice. (2) 190 fixes from Symphony are merged and integrated, mainly interoperability issues (3) 600 defects are fixed (4) many more features and improvements are integrated For a detailed feature overview please see the release notes under https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+Release+Notes. But keep in mind that the release notes are not yet final and will be updated and polished ... The release candidate artifacts (source release, as well as binary releases for 23 languages) and further information how to verify and review Apache OpenOffice 4.0 can be found on the following wiki page: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds#DevelopmentSnapshotBuilds-AOOSnapshot The related RAT scan for this RC can be found under http://people.apache.org/~jsc/aoo-4.0.0_rat/aoo-4.0.0_rat-output.html The RC is based on the release branch AOO400, revision 1502185! Please vote on releasing this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0. The vote starts now and will be open until: UTC at noon on Monday, 15 July: 2013-07-15 12:00 UTC. But we invite all people to vote (non binding) on this RC. We would like to provide a release that is supported by the majority of our project members. [ ] +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0 [ ] 0 Don't care [ ] -1 Do not release this package because... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC)
Am Sonntag, 14. Juli 2013 um 06:35 schrieb imacat: On 2013/07/13 20:52, Ariel Constenla-Haile said: On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 12:20:32PM +0200, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 07/13/2013 05:14 AM, schrieb Ariel Constenla-Haile: On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 11:54 PM, imacatima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw wrote: Sorry. I did not see Traditional Chinese version. Did I missed something on the Traditional Chinese version? UI translation is not complete: https://translate.apache.org/zh_TW/aoo40/ I can see that 97% is translated. Not that bad. Do we have an agreement that we need 100% for a release? http://markmail.org/message/pxgvjuw2j3ukqsom Concerns should have been risen at that time, it was discussed on the mailing list, and properly tagged (if it does not happen on the mailing list...). I'm asking because I really don't know it and in former OOo times we have done releases for languages with at least 80% translated UI [1]. So, maybe a change that I haven't seen in the last weeks. For this particular case, the translation of the main 4.0.0 feature is incomplete https://translate.apache.org/zh_TW/aoo40/svx/source/sidebar/ How serious would it be to release this translation in such a state? The same applies to other languages released in 3.4.* but not in this 4.0.0 RC. Hmm... I see the problem with side bar translation. And I'm very sorry that I was in my research paper and did not notice the previous discussion. However, there are several issues of concern: 1. I am going to give a talk in our largest local open source conference (COSCUP 2013, http://coscup.org/) on 8/3, and plan to announce OpenOffice 4.0. It is the first talk after the key notes. It would be very embarrassing to announce it without a local version released. 2. There would be a large-scale deployment around August or September (6000-7000) in a government department, and they are planning to join our development force in order to fix some Chinese problems in governmental use. If OpenOffice 4.0 Traditional Chinese version is not available at that time, we could only give them 3.4.1, which their development could not be based on. I've asked our local community to help the translation in urgent. If we can finish the Traditional Chinese sidebar translation with certain amount, could it be OK to release it? let translate the UI First and then we can figure out what's possible. Hopefully some other languages can continue the translation as well and we can think about a language only release where I am a big fan of to support local communities. But in general we have discussed it and I would have not released German (my mother language) if the UI translation would have been not complete. Just to make sure that we need active local communities who participate in the project or at least in the translation part. It would be even better if the help would be translated as well but that is a much higher burden and we are more flexible here. Juergen Regards -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/
Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC)
Dňa Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:42:03 +0200 Juergen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com napísal: Am Sonntag, 14. Juli 2013 um 06:35 schrieb imacat: On 2013/07/13 20:52, Ariel Constenla-Haile said: On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 12:20:32PM +0200, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 07/13/2013 05:14 AM, schrieb Ariel Constenla-Haile: On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 11:54 PM, imacatima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw wrote: Sorry. I did not see Traditional Chinese version. Did I missed something on the Traditional Chinese version? UI translation is not complete: https://translate.apache.org/zh_TW/aoo40/ I can see that 97% is translated. Not that bad. Do we have an agreement that we need 100% for a release? http://markmail.org/message/pxgvjuw2j3ukqsom Concerns should have been risen at that time, it was discussed on the mailing list, and properly tagged (if it does not happen on the mailing list...). I'm asking because I really don't know it and in former OOo times we have done releases for languages with at least 80% translated UI [1]. So, maybe a change that I haven't seen in the last weeks. For this particular case, the translation of the main 4.0.0 feature is incomplete https://translate.apache.org/zh_TW/aoo40/svx/source/sidebar/ How serious would it be to release this translation in such a state? The same applies to other languages released in 3.4.* but not in this 4.0.0 RC. Hmm... I see the problem with side bar translation. And I'm very sorry that I was in my research paper and did not notice the previous discussion. However, there are several issues of concern: 1. I am going to give a talk in our largest local open source conference (COSCUP 2013, http://coscup.org/) on 8/3, and plan to announce OpenOffice 4.0. It is the first talk after the key notes. It would be very embarrassing to announce it without a local version released. 2. There would be a large-scale deployment around August or September (6000-7000) in a government department, and they are planning to join our development force in order to fix some Chinese problems in governmental use. If OpenOffice 4.0 Traditional Chinese version is not available at that time, we could only give them 3.4.1, which their development could not be based on. I've asked our local community to help the translation in urgent. If we can finish the Traditional Chinese sidebar translation with certain amount, could it be OK to release it? let translate the UI First and then we can figure out what's possible. Hopefully some other languages can continue the translation as well and we can think about a language only release where I am a big fan of to support local communities. But in general we have discussed it and I would have not released German (my mother language) if the UI translation would have been not complete. Just to make sure that we need active local communities who participate in the project or at least in the translation part. Hi Juergen, Yust today German translation is done. I and French community made some changes in translations. Did you think about rebuilding some (sk, fr, de maybe cn) binaries ? - Michal Hriň It would be even better if the help would be translated as well but that is a much higher burden and we are more flexible here. Juergen Regards -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/ -- Táto správa bola vytvorená poštovým klientom v prehliadači Opera: http://www.opera.com/mail/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC)
On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 3:42 AM, Juergen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: Am Sonntag, 14. Juli 2013 um 06:35 schrieb imacat: On 2013/07/13 20:52, Ariel Constenla-Haile said: On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 12:20:32PM +0200, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 07/13/2013 05:14 AM, schrieb Ariel Constenla-Haile: On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 11:54 PM, imacat ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw wrote: Sorry. I did not see Traditional Chinese version. Did I missed something on the Traditional Chinese version? UI translation is not complete: https://translate.apache.org/zh_TW/aoo40/ I can see that 97% is translated. Not that bad. Do we have an agreement that we need 100% for a release? http://markmail.org/message/pxgvjuw2j3ukqsom Concerns should have been risen at that time, it was discussed on the mailing list, and properly tagged (if it does not happen on the mailing list...). I'm asking because I really don't know it and in former OOo times we have done releases for languages with at least 80% translated UI [1]. So, maybe a change that I haven't seen in the last weeks. For this particular case, the translation of the main 4.0.0 feature is incomplete https://translate.apache.org/zh_TW/aoo40/svx/source/sidebar/ How serious would it be to release this translation in such a state? The same applies to other languages released in 3.4.* but not in this 4.0.0 RC. Hmm... I see the problem with side bar translation. And I'm very sorry that I was in my research paper and did not notice the previous discussion. However, there are several issues of concern: 1. I am going to give a talk in our largest local open source conference (COSCUP 2013, http://coscup.org/) on 8/3, and plan to announce OpenOffice 4.0. It is the first talk after the key notes. It would be very embarrassing to announce it without a local version released. 2. There would be a large-scale deployment around August or September (6000-7000) in a government department, and they are planning to join our development force in order to fix some Chinese problems in governmental use. If OpenOffice 4.0 Traditional Chinese version is not available at that time, we could only give them 3.4.1, which their development could not be based on. I've asked our local community to help the translation in urgent. If we can finish the Traditional Chinese sidebar translation with certain amount, could it be OK to release it? let translate the UI First and then we can figure out what's possible. Hopefully some other languages can continue the translation as well and we can think about a language only release where I am a big fan of to support local communities. There is obviously some tension in our goals here: 1) We want to release the good work that is already done, so users who can enjoy the new features, bug fixes, interop improvements, etc. 2) We also have some languages that are almost done and don't want to miss the train. IMHO the way to resolve this tension is to let the current 4.0 train leave the station, but announce another train is leaving soon. Maybe we can set a goal of September 16th for either a 4.0.1 (if we're making code changes for a new critical bug) or a language update of 4.0.0 (if there are only new translations). Hopefully we all remember that we did this with AOO 3.4.1 as well, adding more languages after we released. From what I can tell there is a steady stream of interest in translating AOO to other languages. There will always be another language that is almost ready. That is what success looks like. We need to handle new translations when they are ready. We can't hold up the train, but we also can't make volunteers wait too long for the next train. So how does September 16th sound for releasing additional languages? Is that enough time? -Rob This seems quite reasonable to me. We need a little time for regrouping, and dealing with perhaps some minor issues that might pop up from the 4.0 release. Re the old stated policy on : http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Release_criteria#Localization_requirements If this no longer our policy, we should definitely change this. But...I think we should first discuss the policy. What levels of translation do we feel are acceptable if not at 100%. What do we absolutely require to be translated? Menus vs help files, for example. Once we determine translation thresholds, we should include the policy on the Native Language page on the project web site: http://openoffice.apache.org/native-lang.html But in general we have discussed it and I would have not released German (my mother language) if the UI translation would have been not complete. Just to make sure that we need active local communities who participate in the project or at least in the
Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC)
imacat wrote: 1. I am going to give a talk in our largest local open source conference (COSCUP 2013,http://coscup.org/) on 8/3, and plan to announce OpenOffice 4.0. It is the first talk after the key notes. It would be very embarrassing to announce it without a local version released. As Juergen wrote, it is expected that we add more languages as they become ready. We'll probably add them in small batches and not one-by-one, in order to have a more efficient process. But if you reach 100% in the UI we will make sure you don't have to wait more than a few weeks to get your language officially released. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC)
On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 1:32 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On 14 July 2013 19:17, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: imacat wrote: 1. I am going to give a talk in our largest local open source conference (COSCUP 2013,http://coscup.org/) on 8/3, and plan to announce OpenOffice 4.0. It is the first talk after the key notes. It would be very embarrassing to announce it without a local version released. As Juergen wrote, it is expected that we add more languages as they become ready. We'll probably add them in small batches and not one-by-one, in order to have a more efficient process. But if you reach 100% in the UI we will make sure you don't have to wait more than a few weeks to get your language officially released. I dont quite understand what you mean, will 4.0 have different version numbers as we add more languages ? I would be against releasing 4.0 with e.g. 8 languages, and then after a few weeks re-release it with the same version number just more languages. When 4.0 is released thats final to me, next is 4.0.1 or 4.1 Or are you talking about releasing language packs, which is quite different ? No. We're talking about not changing the AOO 4.0 code, but just binaries with the new language strings. So the version tags would not change. (Why should they if the code has not changed?). Of course, we don't re-release the existing languages. If you recall we did this exact same thing with AOO 3.4.1 when we released Danish. To do otherwise brings needless complications, such as: 1) Either re-releasing new versions for existing languages, where only the version tags have changed, but no code or language strings have changed, e.g., in Spanish, French, Italian, etc. or 2) Having much more complicated update notification logic, where now we need to track that AOO 3.4.1 Danish upgrades to AOO 4.0.1, but AOO 3.4.1 French upgrades to AOO 4.0.0. And this complication then lives on to the next release, where Danish 4.0.1 upgrades to AOO 4.1.0, but there is no French 4.0.1, etc. Remember: We can always unambiguously determine what source was used for what binary, even if we incrementally add more languages for 4.0 later. Regards, -Rob rgds jan I. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC)
Am 07/13/2013 05:14 AM, schrieb Ariel Constenla-Haile: On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 11:54 PM, imacatima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw wrote: Sorry. I did not see Traditional Chinese version. Did I missed something on the Traditional Chinese version? UI translation is not complete: https://translate.apache.org/zh_TW/aoo40/ I can see that 97% is translated. Not that bad. Do we have an agreement that we need 100% for a release? I'm asking because I really don't know it and in former OOo times we have done releases for languages with at least 80% translated UI [1]. So, maybe a change that I haven't seen in the last weeks. I don't want to force a release, just asking. [1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Release_criteria#Localization_requirements Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC)
On 2013/07/13 18:20, Marcus (OOo) said: Am 07/13/2013 05:14 AM, schrieb Ariel Constenla-Haile: On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 11:54 PM, imacatima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw wrote: Sorry. I did not see Traditional Chinese version. Did I missed something on the Traditional Chinese version? UI translation is not complete: https://translate.apache.org/zh_TW/aoo40/ I can see that 97% is translated. Not that bad. Do we have an agreement that we need 100% for a release? I'm curious, too. For a couple of years (3.1-3.3 I suppose), OpenOffice was released with about 92% of Traditional Chinese translated. Do we have to be 100% translated to be included in the release list? I'm asking because I really don't know it and in former OOo times we have done releases for languages with at least 80% translated UI [1]. So, maybe a change that I haven't seen in the last weeks. I don't want to force a release, just asking. [1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Release_criteria#Localization_requirements Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC)
2013/7/13 imacat ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw On 2013/07/13 18:20, Marcus (OOo) said: Am 07/13/2013 05:14 AM, schrieb Ariel Constenla-Haile: On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 11:54 PM, imacatima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw wrote: Sorry. I did not see Traditional Chinese version. Did I missed something on the Traditional Chinese version? UI translation is not complete: https://translate.apache.org/zh_TW/aoo40/ I can see that 97% is translated. Not that bad. Do we have an agreement that we need 100% for a release? I'm curious, too. For a couple of years (3.1-3.3 I suppose), OpenOffice was released with about 92% of Traditional Chinese translated. Do we have to be 100% translated to be included in the release list? AFAIK, yes: a 100% translated UI was the prerequisite for a localized build on both, 3.4.0 and 3.4.1. Regards Ricardo I'm asking because I really don't know it and in former OOo times we have done releases for languages with at least 80% translated UI [1]. So, maybe a change that I haven't seen in the last weeks. I don't want to force a release, just asking. [1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Release_criteria#Localization_requirements Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/
Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC)
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 12:20:32PM +0200, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 07/13/2013 05:14 AM, schrieb Ariel Constenla-Haile: On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 11:54 PM, imacatima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw wrote: Sorry. I did not see Traditional Chinese version. Did I missed something on the Traditional Chinese version? UI translation is not complete: https://translate.apache.org/zh_TW/aoo40/ I can see that 97% is translated. Not that bad. Do we have an agreement that we need 100% for a release? http://markmail.org/message/pxgvjuw2j3ukqsom Concerns should have been risen at that time, it was discussed on the mailing list, and properly tagged (if it does not happen on the mailing list...). I'm asking because I really don't know it and in former OOo times we have done releases for languages with at least 80% translated UI [1]. So, maybe a change that I haven't seen in the last weeks. For this particular case, the translation of the main 4.0.0 feature is incomplete https://translate.apache.org/zh_TW/aoo40/svx/source/sidebar/ How serious would it be to release this translation in such a state? The same applies to other languages released in 3.4.* but not in this 4.0.0 RC. Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina pgpWNlI0KGJzI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC)
Am 07/13/2013 02:52 PM, schrieb Ariel Constenla-Haile: On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 12:20:32PM +0200, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 07/13/2013 05:14 AM, schrieb Ariel Constenla-Haile: On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 11:54 PM, imacatima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw wrote: Sorry. I did not see Traditional Chinese version. Did I missed something on the Traditional Chinese version? UI translation is not complete: https://translate.apache.org/zh_TW/aoo40/ I can see that 97% is translated. Not that bad. Do we have an agreement that we need 100% for a release? http://markmail.org/message/pxgvjuw2j3ukqsom Thanks Concerns should have been risen at that time, it was discussed on the mailing list, and properly tagged (if it does not happen on the mailing list...). Of course, that's why I wrote: ;-) I don't want to force a release, just asking. Marcus I'm asking because I really don't know it and in former OOo times we have done releases for languages with at least 80% translated UI [1]. So, maybe a change that I haven't seen in the last weeks. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC)
On 2013/07/13 20:52, Ariel Constenla-Haile said: On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 12:20:32PM +0200, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 07/13/2013 05:14 AM, schrieb Ariel Constenla-Haile: On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 11:54 PM, imacatima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw wrote: Sorry. I did not see Traditional Chinese version. Did I missed something on the Traditional Chinese version? UI translation is not complete: https://translate.apache.org/zh_TW/aoo40/ I can see that 97% is translated. Not that bad. Do we have an agreement that we need 100% for a release? http://markmail.org/message/pxgvjuw2j3ukqsom Concerns should have been risen at that time, it was discussed on the mailing list, and properly tagged (if it does not happen on the mailing list...). I'm asking because I really don't know it and in former OOo times we have done releases for languages with at least 80% translated UI [1]. So, maybe a change that I haven't seen in the last weeks. For this particular case, the translation of the main 4.0.0 feature is incomplete https://translate.apache.org/zh_TW/aoo40/svx/source/sidebar/ How serious would it be to release this translation in such a state? The same applies to other languages released in 3.4.* but not in this 4.0.0 RC. Hmm... I see the problem with side bar translation. And I'm very sorry that I was in my research paper and did not notice the previous discussion. However, there are several issues of concern: 1. I am going to give a talk in our largest local open source conference (COSCUP 2013, http://coscup.org/) on 8/3, and plan to announce OpenOffice 4.0. It is the first talk after the key notes. It would be very embarrassing to announce it without a local version released. 2. There would be a large-scale deployment around August or September (6000-7000) in a government department, and they are planning to join our development force in order to fix some Chinese problems in governmental use. If OpenOffice 4.0 Traditional Chinese version is not available at that time, we could only give them 3.4.1, which their development could not be based on. I've asked our local community to help the translation in urgent. If we can finish the Traditional Chinese sidebar translation with certain amount, could it be OK to release it? Regards -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[DISCUSS][VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC)
please don't discuss in a vote thread @Raphael, I disagree we do testing on snapshots since weeks. Juergen On 7/12/13 3:43 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch wrote: Hi at all Moment Jürgen. Test a RC and final vote. within 72 houers is unserios. Pleas give a a full week for this. Else i will vote -1 because there is not enought time to make the final tests. The previous dev snapshot (rev. 1499347) build was July 5th. That was 8 days ago. So there has been over a week for anyone who was interested in doing more testing or reporting any new release blockers. With the RC I think we can be more focused and verify the fixed bugs and test around any areas that changed since the last dev snapshot. (Think of it this way: If Juergen had labeled the July 5th dev snapshot as RC 1 and today's build as RC 2, would any more testing have occurred? Would anything be different?) Regards, -Rob Greetings Raphael Am 12.07.13 11:11, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: Hi all, this is a call for vote on releasing the following release candidate as Apache OpenOffice 4.0. This will be an important release for Apache OpenOffice with bigger visible UI changes. It is a key milestone to continue the success of OpenOffice. This release candidate provides the following important changes compared to former OpenOffice releases: (1) a major UI change/improvement by introducing a new sidebar concept where the idea is the comes from IBM's Symphony. It's the combination of reimplementing a complete new framework for sidebars and merging the existing sidebar in impress and code of various content panels from the Symphony grant in OpenOffice. (2) 190 fixes from Symphony are merged and integrated, mainly interoperability issues (3) 600 defects are fixed (4) many more features and improvements are integrated For a detailed feature overview please see the release notes under https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+Release+Notes. But keep in mind that the release notes are not yet final and will be updated and polished ... The release candidate artifacts (source release, as well as binary releases for 23 languages) and further information how to verify and review Apache OpenOffice 4.0 can be found on the following wiki page: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds#DevelopmentSnapshotBuilds-AOOSnapshot The related RAT scan for this RC can be found under http://people.apache.org/~jsc/aoo-4.0.0_rat/aoo-4.0.0_rat-output.html The RC is based on the release branch AOO400, revision 1502185! Please vote on releasing this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0. The vote starts now and will be open until: UTC at noon on Monday, 15 July: 2013-07-15 12:00 UTC. But we invite all people to vote (non binding) on this RC. We would like to provide a release that is supported by the majority of our project members. [ ] +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0 [ ] 0 Don't care [ ] -1 Do not release this package because... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
[DISCUSS][VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC)
What is not serious that I plan a 72 hr vote that is normal at Apache? We are not loner an incubator project and 72 hr are enough. The RC is not so much different than the snapshot before. You can vote -1 if you want but I hope that you take it serious and don't vote simply and without any real argument. The argument that you would need more time is not valid for me. It's always interesting to see such comments in the end phase. But what do you think did we over the past weeks? We analyzed bugs, problems, fixed all serious ones and continue general testing. I proposed a release schedule, proposed an update and we continue to work hard to achieve this date. Some continuity in the things we propose and announce is not a bad thing. If we detect serious problems we can always take the necessary actions. Let us concentrate on the end game ... We still have some things to do and the polishing and completion of the release notes is one thing. If you disagree to the proposed schedule you should have raised your concerns a little bit earlier. Juergen On 7/12/13 3:43 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch wrote: Hi at all Moment Jürgen. Test a RC and final vote. within 72 houers is unserios. Pleas give a a full week for this. Else i will vote -1 because there is not enought time to make the final tests. The previous dev snapshot (rev. 1499347) build was July 5th. That was 8 days ago. So there has been over a week for anyone who was interested in doing more testing or reporting any new release blockers. With the RC I think we can be more focused and verify the fixed bugs and test around any areas that changed since the last dev snapshot. (Think of it this way: If Juergen had labeled the July 5th dev snapshot as RC 1 and today's build as RC 2, would any more testing have occurred? Would anything be different?) Regards, -Rob Greetings Raphael Am 12.07.13 11:11, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: Hi all, this is a call for vote on releasing the following release candidate as Apache OpenOffice 4.0. This will be an important release for Apache OpenOffice with bigger visible UI changes. It is a key milestone to continue the success of OpenOffice. This release candidate provides the following important changes compared to former OpenOffice releases: (1) a major UI change/improvement by introducing a new sidebar concept where the idea is the comes from IBM's Symphony. It's the combination of reimplementing a complete new framework for sidebars and merging the existing sidebar in impress and code of various content panels from the Symphony grant in OpenOffice. (2) 190 fixes from Symphony are merged and integrated, mainly interoperability issues (3) 600 defects are fixed (4) many more features and improvements are integrated For a detailed feature overview please see the release notes under https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+Release+Notes. But keep in mind that the release notes are not yet final and will be updated and polished ... The release candidate artifacts (source release, as well as binary releases for 23 languages) and further information how to verify and review Apache OpenOffice 4.0 can be found on the following wiki page: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds#DevelopmentSnapshotBuilds-AOOSnapshot The related RAT scan for this RC can be found under http://people.apache.org/~jsc/aoo-4.0.0_rat/aoo-4.0.0_rat-output.html The RC is based on the release branch AOO400, revision 1502185! Please vote on releasing this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0. The vote starts now and will be open until: UTC at noon on Monday, 15 July: 2013-07-15 12:00 UTC. But we invite all people to vote (non binding) on this RC. We would like to provide a release that is supported by the majority of our project members. [ ] +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0 [ ] 0 Don't care [ ] -1 Do not release this package because... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC)
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch wrote: Am 12.07.13 16:32, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: What is not serious that I plan a 72 hr vote that is normal at Apache? We are not loner an incubator project and 72 hr are enough. The RC is not so much different than the snapshot before. The point is, who has desided to make a RC? I don't find a single discoussion about it. A RC should be discused on the list. I know, there The detailed proposal and discussion was in this thread, from June 19th, three weeks ago: http://markmail.org/message/4wzawtnxaruvztqm -Rob where serios testings, but for my point of view not enoght. IA2 is integrated same days befor, so the QA has no chance to find regressions to this part of code. I work with 4.0 since same week. It is not bad, but I personaly think there are still same serios bugs in. You can't find this potential Errors within 72 hours. I find it wrong to annonce a RC without public discoussion if the Version is RC ready. And the stabilization phase was far to short. Well, I can nothing else do as search same showstoper for RC1. But even I don't find one, I will vote -1. I'm sorry, I can't put my name under a Release under this condition. Greetings Raphael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC)
Am 12.07.13 16:32, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: What is not serious that I plan a 72 hr vote that is normal at Apache? We are not loner an incubator project and 72 hr are enough. The RC is not so much different than the snapshot before. The point is, who has desided to make a RC? I don't find a single discoussion about it. A RC should be discused on the list. I know, there where serios testings, but for my point of view not enoght. IA2 is integrated same days befor, so the QA has no chance to find regressions to this part of code. I work with 4.0 since same week. It is not bad, but I personaly think there are still same serios bugs in. You can't find this potential Errors within 72 hours. I find it wrong to annonce a RC without public discoussion if the Version is RC ready. And the stabilization phase was far to short. Well, I can nothing else do as search same showstoper for RC1. But even I don't find one, I will vote -1. I'm sorry, I can't put my name under a Release under this condition. Greetings Raphael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC)
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch wrote: The point is, who has desided to make a RC? I don't find a single discoussion about it. A RC should be discused on the list. I know, there where serios testings, but for my point of view not enoght. IA2 is integrated same days befor, so the QA has no chance to find regressions to this part of code. What are you talking about? IA2 has not been integrated, not a single line. I work with 4.0 since same week. It is not bad, but I personaly think there are still same serios bugs in. Then you should submit bugs in bugzilla; but this statement contradicts the one below: if you think there are serious bugs, you don't need to search them, you should already know them. Well, I can nothing else do as search same showstoper for RC1. But even I don't find one, I will vote -1. I'm sorry, I can't put my name under a Release under this condition. Regards - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC)
Does anyone have a script to verify signatures and hashes for a release? In previous releases I'd download everything and do some ad-hoc commands, but not as automated as it could be. Since we have a regular directory structure it should be possible to have a script that would verify everything and produce a report. Does anyone have something like this? -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC)
On Jul 12, 2013 5:12 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch wrote: The point is, who has desided to make a RC? I don't find a single discoussion about it. A RC should be discused on the list. I know, there where serios testings, but for my point of view not enoght. IA2 is integrated same days befor, so the QA has no chance to find regressions to this part of code. What are you talking about? IA2 has not been integrated, not a single line. I work with 4.0 since same week. It is not bad, but I personaly think there are still same serios bugs in. Then you should submit bugs in bugzilla; but this statement contradicts the one below: if you think there are serious bugs, you don't need to search them, you should already know them. Well, I can nothing else do as search same showstoper for RC1. But even I don't find one, I will vote -1. I'm sorry, I can't put my name under a Release under this condition. +1 from me, I know there are still ñroblems to be solved, but in a year from now we will also have problems let get a RC out, and move on. rgds jan i Regards - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC)
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: Does anyone have a script to verify signatures and hashes for a release? In previous releases I'd download everything and do some ad-hoc commands, but not as automated as it could be. Since we have a regular directory structure it should be possible to have a script that would verify everything and produce a report. unless you are trying to verify the download, there is no need to download anything, just ssh to people.apache.org and check the integrity in place once moved to the /www/www.apache.org/dist/ folder. Something like: arielch@~$ for i in /home/jsc/public_html/developer-snapshots/RC/4.0.0/binaries/*/*.asc ; do echo Checking $i gpg2 --verify $i;done Regards - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC)
On Jul 12, 2013, at 9:11 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: Does anyone have a script to verify signatures and hashes for a release? In previous releases I'd download everything and do some ad-hoc commands, but not as automated as it could be. Since we have a regular directory structure it should be possible to have a script that would verify everything and produce a report. unless you are trying to verify the download, there is no need to download anything, just ssh to people.apache.org and check the integrity in place once moved to the /www/www.apache.org/dist/ folder. Something like: arielch@~$ for i in /home/jsc/public_html/developer-snapshots/RC/4.0.0/binaries/*/*.asc ; do echo Checking $i gpg2 --verify $i;done To properly vote on a release requires some verification steps. Rob's idea is one I have been thinking about as well. To the point of a 72 hour VOTE. I think that ONE WEEK would be good for the project if only because it would allow people to adjust their schedules. Personally I prefer the weekend, but a VOTE on Apache OpenOffice took me about 4-8 hours of work for 3.4 and 3.4.1 - and my time is committed this weekend. So, if I have time I'll vote. Otherwise, thanks and I trust the PMC to do what is best for the project. Regards, Dave Regards - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC)
Sorry. I did not see Traditional Chinese version. Did I missed something on the Traditional Chinese version? Thank you. On 2013/07/12 21:52, Jürgen Schmidt said: please don't discuss in a vote thread @Raphael, I disagree we do testing on snapshots since weeks. Juergen On 7/12/13 3:43 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch wrote: Hi at all Moment Jürgen. Test a RC and final vote. within 72 houers is unserios. Pleas give a a full week for this. Else i will vote -1 because there is not enought time to make the final tests. The previous dev snapshot (rev. 1499347) build was July 5th. That was 8 days ago. So there has been over a week for anyone who was interested in doing more testing or reporting any new release blockers. With the RC I think we can be more focused and verify the fixed bugs and test around any areas that changed since the last dev snapshot. (Think of it this way: If Juergen had labeled the July 5th dev snapshot as RC 1 and today's build as RC 2, would any more testing have occurred? Would anything be different?) Regards, -Rob Greetings Raphael Am 12.07.13 11:11, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: Hi all, this is a call for vote on releasing the following release candidate as Apache OpenOffice 4.0. This will be an important release for Apache OpenOffice with bigger visible UI changes. It is a key milestone to continue the success of OpenOffice. This release candidate provides the following important changes compared to former OpenOffice releases: (1) a major UI change/improvement by introducing a new sidebar concept where the idea is the comes from IBM's Symphony. It's the combination of reimplementing a complete new framework for sidebars and merging the existing sidebar in impress and code of various content panels from the Symphony grant in OpenOffice. (2) 190 fixes from Symphony are merged and integrated, mainly interoperability issues (3) 600 defects are fixed (4) many more features and improvements are integrated For a detailed feature overview please see the release notes under https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+Release+Notes. But keep in mind that the release notes are not yet final and will be updated and polished ... The release candidate artifacts (source release, as well as binary releases for 23 languages) and further information how to verify and review Apache OpenOffice 4.0 can be found on the following wiki page: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds#DevelopmentSnapshotBuilds-AOOSnapshot The related RAT scan for this RC can be found under http://people.apache.org/~jsc/aoo-4.0.0_rat/aoo-4.0.0_rat-output.html The RC is based on the release branch AOO400, revision 1502185! Please vote on releasing this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0. The vote starts now and will be open until: UTC at noon on Monday, 15 July: 2013-07-15 12:00 UTC. But we invite all people to vote (non binding) on this RC. We would like to provide a release that is supported by the majority of our project members. [ ] +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0 [ ] 0 Don't care [ ] -1 Do not release this package because... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC)
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 11:54 PM, imacat ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw wrote: Sorry. I did not see Traditional Chinese version. Did I missed something on the Traditional Chinese version? UI translation is not complete: https://translate.apache.org/zh_TW/aoo40/ Regards - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
