RE: Donations?

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

I haven't been following that either.  I am not certain it is settled.

I have the sense that this is not about small donations.

I should also say that "earmarked" is the actual term I've seen, not 
"on-account," although that is probably not a material difference.

 - Dennis

> -Original Message-
> From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org]
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 09:03
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Donations?
> 
> Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> > It happens there are some funds "on-account" at the ASF that are
> available to OpenOffice.  Those arrived in an unusual manner in the
> early history of the project.  That exception is unlikely to repeat.
> 
> Not so unlikely. Targeted donations are among the (many) new features
> the current Board was going to enable. But honestly I don't know the
> status of this.
> 
> Regards,
>Andrea.
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Re: Donations?

[Andrea Pescetti]

Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

It happens there are some funds "on-account" at the ASF that are available to 
OpenOffice.  Those arrived in an unusual manner in the early history of the project.  
That exception is unlikely to repeat.


Not so unlikely. Targeted donations are among the (many) new features 
the current Board was going to enable. But honestly I don't know the 
status of this.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Donations?

[Patricia Shanahan]

I find this rather disturbing. Most non-profits to which I donate have 
some provision for designating a subgroup to benefit from the money. For 
example, if I write a check to "San Diego City College Foundation" and 
write "Robotics" in the memo field, it shows up as money the San Diego 
City College Robotics team can spend.


If Apache only manages funds on a whole foundation basis, I will 
probably never add ASF to my donation list.


On 7/21/2016 5:02 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

Apache OpenOffice does not receive donations and does not manage a budget.

It happens there are some funds "on-account" at the ASF that are available to 
OpenOffice.  Those arrived in an unusual manner in the early history of the project.  
That exception is unlikely to repeat.

Generally, the Apache Software Foundation has a budget and manages funds.  
There are treasurer reports in every monthly Board Report at the foundation 
level.  You can see those at
 <http://www.apache.org/foundation/board/calendar.html>.

In some case, projects can request that funds available for some purpose be 
expended on behalf of the project.  For example, application for and renewal of 
trademark registrations is done by requests to the VP Branding.  That VP will 
make requests for budget to cover anticipated expenses of that kind.  
Similarly, Infrastructure might be worked with to fund the contract labor and 
any hardware and operating costs of build slaves dedicated for OpenOffice use.

 - Dennis


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From: Alexandro Colorado [mailto:j...@gultab.org]
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 15:22
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Donations?

Unfortunately this community hasnt been very vocal about budgeting and
is
very lurky to know if we have any funds at all at the end of the day, we
used to have very clear reports:
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Funding_And_Budgets/B
udget_2011

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Marcus <marcus.m...@wtnet.de> wrote:


Am 07/21/2016 09:26 PM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan:


In looking at the web pages to see where to insert mentoring offers
etc., I noticed that https://openoffice.apache.org/get-involved.html

has

a link to "make a small donation". Does that collect any money, and

if




good question. But only the Apache treasury can answer this. Please

note

the you don't donate to a special project but to the whole foundation.

And

the foundation is giving it to the projects.

so might it help with buildbot costs?




You mean getting the hardware and the Infra maintenance paid? I don't

know

of other costs.

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RE: Donations?

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Apache OpenOffice does not receive donations and does not manage a budget.

It happens there are some funds "on-account" at the ASF that are available to 
OpenOffice.  Those arrived in an unusual manner in the early history of the 
project.  That exception is unlikely to repeat.

Generally, the Apache Software Foundation has a budget and manages funds.  
There are treasurer reports in every monthly Board Report at the foundation 
level.  You can see those at
 <http://www.apache.org/foundation/board/calendar.html>.

In some case, projects can request that funds available for some purpose be 
expended on behalf of the project.  For example, application for and renewal of 
trademark registrations is done by requests to the VP Branding.  That VP will 
make requests for budget to cover anticipated expenses of that kind.  
Similarly, Infrastructure might be worked with to fund the contract labor and 
any hardware and operating costs of build slaves dedicated for OpenOffice use.  

 - Dennis

> -Original Message-
> From: Alexandro Colorado [mailto:j...@gultab.org]
> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 15:22
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Donations?
> 
> Unfortunately this community hasnt been very vocal about budgeting and
> is
> very lurky to know if we have any funds at all at the end of the day, we
> used to have very clear reports:
> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Funding_And_Budgets/B
> udget_2011
> 
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Marcus <marcus.m...@wtnet.de> wrote:
> 
> > Am 07/21/2016 09:26 PM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan:
> >
> >> In looking at the web pages to see where to insert mentoring offers
> >> etc., I noticed that https://openoffice.apache.org/get-involved.html
> has
> >> a link to "make a small donation". Does that collect any money, and
> if
> >>
> >
> > good question. But only the Apache treasury can answer this. Please
> note
> > the you don't donate to a special project but to the whole foundation.
> And
> > the foundation is giving it to the projects.
> >
> > so might it help with buildbot costs?
> >>
> >
> > You mean getting the hardware and the Infra maintenance paid? I don't
> know
> > of other costs.
> >
> > Marcus
> >
> >
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Re: Donations?

[Alexandro Colorado]

Unfortunately this community hasnt been very vocal about budgeting and is
very lurky to know if we have any funds at all at the end of the day, we
used to have very clear reports:
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Funding_And_Budgets/Budget_2011

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Marcus  wrote:

> Am 07/21/2016 09:26 PM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan:
>
>> In looking at the web pages to see where to insert mentoring offers
>> etc., I noticed that https://openoffice.apache.org/get-involved.html has
>> a link to "make a small donation". Does that collect any money, and if
>>
>
> good question. But only the Apache treasury can answer this. Please note
> the you don't donate to a special project but to the whole foundation. And
> the foundation is giving it to the projects.
>
> so might it help with buildbot costs?
>>
>
> You mean getting the hardware and the Infra maintenance paid? I don't know
> of other costs.
>
> Marcus
>
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Re: Donations?

[Marcus]

Am 07/21/2016 09:26 PM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan:

In looking at the web pages to see where to insert mentoring offers
etc., I noticed that https://openoffice.apache.org/get-involved.html has
a link to "make a small donation". Does that collect any money, and if


good question. But only the Apache treasury can answer this. Please note 
the you don't donate to a special project but to the whole foundation. 
And the foundation is giving it to the projects.



so might it help with buildbot costs?


You mean getting the hardware and the Infra maintenance paid? I don't 
know of other costs.


Marcus


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Re: Donations?

[Alexandro Colorado]

What exactly will this bot do?

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Patricia Shanahan  wrote:

> In looking at the web pages to see where to insert mentoring offers etc.,
> I noticed that https://openoffice.apache.org/get-involved.html has a link
> to "make a small donation". Does that collect any money, and if so might it
> help with buildbot costs?
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Donations?

[Patricia Shanahan]

In looking at the web pages to see where to insert mentoring offers 
etc., I noticed that https://openoffice.apache.org/get-involved.html has 
a link to "make a small donation". Does that collect any money, and if 
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Take Bitcoins donations

[Alexandro Colorado]

I know this is not the best list to talk about this since, well, is more of
an Apache thing than OpenOffice. However Mozilla Foundation just partner
with Coinbase to take bitcoin donations. Wonder if this could be an idea
that could pick up with the Apache Foundation.

Bitcoin is the most prevalent cryptocurrency out there, and would be
interesting to have the venue to acquire them. The biggest convenience is
that flows more freely around the world without major barriers from country
to country.

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Re: Take Bitcoins donations

[Andrea Pescetti]

Alexandro Colorado wrote:

I know this is not the best list to talk about this since, well, is more of
an Apache thing than OpenOffice. ... take bitcoin donations.


It has been possible for a while. Apache accepts Bitcoins donations. See 
http://www.apache.org/foundation/contributing.html as linked from 
http://www.openoffice.org/donations.html


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Donations

[Kylee Bowater]

I wasn't sure where to send this, so sent it to you guys (dev team).

I just tried donating to apache project via paypal and it said that this
recipient cannot currently accept donations. Wasn't sure you were aware.

Best Regards

Kylee

Re: Donations

[Andrea Pescetti]

Kylee Bowater wrote:

I wasn't sure where to send this, so sent it to you guys (dev team).
I just tried donating to apache project via paypal and it said that this
recipient cannot currently accept donations. Wasn't sure you were aware.


Thank you for reporting, and for trying to donate! This was reported 
yesterday too and the fundraising team (in CC) is informed. I hope that 
the issue can be fixed soon.


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Re: Problem with PayPal donations to the Apache Software Foundation

[Daniel Shahaf]

On Sat, Sep 07, 2013 at 10:47:20AM +0200, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
 To the Apache fundraisers: a user (see below for context) reported a
 problem with PayPal donations to the Apache Software Foundation
 account, used for Apache OpenOffice donations.
 
 Indeed the button at
 
 http://www.apache.org/foundation/contributing.html#Paypal
 
 leads to the following error message:

Thanks for the report.  We're looking into the issue and updated the website
to note it.  We hope it will be fixed in a few days so it would be great if
you could retry the donation then.  Thanks for your interest in the ASF!

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Problem with PayPal donations to the Apache Software Foundation

[Andrea Pescetti]

To the Apache fundraisers: a user (see below for context) reported a 
problem with PayPal donations to the Apache Software Foundation account, 
used for Apache OpenOffice donations.


Indeed the button at

http://www.apache.org/foundation/contributing.html#Paypal

leads to the following error message:
  ---
Apache Software Foundation
Your purchase couldn't be completed

This recipient is currently unable to receive money.
Your purchase couldn't be completed
There's a problem with the merchant's PayPal account. Please try again 
later.

  ---

Can this be analyzed/fixed?

Thanks,
  Andrea.

On 06/09/2013 Andrea Pescetti wrote:

Bill LLD wrote:

I tried to donate via PayPal. It says there's something wrong with the
recipient's (your) PayPal account.


Thanks for contacting us (and for the intention to donate!). To allow us
to investigate this, could you provide the address of the page where you
clicked the Paypal link/button?

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Re: [Proposal]: Call for donations

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 4/5/13 4:22 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 We can easily copy the Donate button from the footer to the topnav.


 The pages are already so busy that making anything stand out is rather
 difficult.
 
 I'll give you an example.  We (Samer and I) did an experiment with
 different placements of the social sharing links.  So we weren't asking for
 money or anything like that.  We were just asking users to friend us on
 Facebook.
 
 We tracked the response rate over a two week period.
 
 For placement up on the navbar or to the right of search, the response rate
 was 0.04%.
 
 For further down on the page, in its own section (how we have it now) the
 response rate was 0.19%.
 
 The best rate was right front and center, above the announcement with
 graphics.  That had 0.34% response rate.  Though that was the best, we
 opted not to go with it since it was not really appropriate for permanent
 use, though it might work OK for a temporary campaign.
 
 (We also did some variations that were text-only, but the versions with
 graphics did better each time)
 
 So with 0.34% response rate on click through, we'd get maybe 2500
 clicks/day. Not sure what % of those would actually contribute, but even at
 1% that adds up over a while.

Well I would prefer a better and more prominent place on the page in
general but I trust your experiment with Samer and the facebook link. If
we don't find a really good place we can of course repeat this
periodically. I don't know every 3 month or at least combined with new
releases.

But we should definitely prepare a blog post that 40 million downloads
and the related traffic are not for free, the forum and wiki is not for
free etc. Simply presenting the facts and describe how donation will
help to run all this. We have good partners like sourceforge but any
single individual can help as well. PayPal can handle many small donations.

But yes we have to align this with fundrasing to ensure that we do it
correct and in a way that they can handle it.

 
 Another entirely unrelated approach would be to have an Amazon Affiliate
 account for the ASF and then have a listing of books related to Apache
 projects.  The ASF would then get a % of each referred sale. That could be
 huge, especially with the Hadoop family of projects.
 

interesting idea, who would be able to work on something like this. I
assume fundraising, you should share the idea with them

Juergen


 -Rob
 
 
 We can request that l10n teams add a translated donate button for their
 language. If they haven't translated their brand and topnav now would a
 time to do so. We would want to translate the fundraising page, too.

 Is this a vehicle for incrementally starting the new web hierarchy? Some
 variation on the plans that many of us have kicked around?

 On Apr 4, 2013, at 4:05 PM, Daniel Shahaf wrote:

 You might want to talk to fundraising@ before you do anything --- not as
 much for permission as for ideas on how to frame the Please donate
 request.

 (fundraising@ is privately-archived)

 Joseph Schaefer wrote on Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 18:38:18 -0400:
 FWIW last time I checked there was a huge increase
 in paypal donations once OpenOffice adjusted it's
 contribution page accordingly.


 On Apr 4, 2013, at 6:21 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org
 wrote:

 Raphael Bircher wrote:
 Am 04.04.13 14:22, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:
 And opinions or further ideas how we can improve this? It shouldn't
 be a
 big problem for us to collect the money we need.
 I disagree. Yes, we can help with foundings for ASF, but please do
 this
 on ASF Level. Founding money is not the task of a ASF project, It's
 the
 task for the foundation.

 The Foundation is made by its projects, so OpenOffice should
 definitely help with fundraising. Consider that OpenOffice (downloads
 excluded!) generates as much web traffic as all the other Apache projects
 put together, or something reasonably close to that. Also, the OpenOffice
 infrastructure requirements (buildbots, management) generates additional
 expenses for the Foundation that only benefit the OpenOffice project.

 In short: if OpenOffice can use its web traffic and popularity to
 drive more donations to the Foundation, it will surely directly benefit
 from most of them. So I agree with Juergen that we should solicit donations.

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[Proposal]: Call for donations

[Jürgen Schmidt]

Hi,

in relation to our budget planning I asked myself if OpenOffice has any
impact on the donations to the ASF? Well I don't know and we can
probably figure this out but the question is what can we do ti collect
more donations and use our brand more effective.

When I look on our main website I found a tiny donation link in the
footer only. From my point of view this is not good enough and we should
think how we can improve it.

I can think of a much more prominent and more visible donation link or
whatever to make clear that OpenOffice will still benefit from donations
to the ASF. We have more IT requirements than other ASF projects, we
generate more network traffic, etc. and all this cost money.

Furthermore I can think of a blog post to promote this in some way and
do a public call for donation. We should of course do this more often
with any public announcement.

And opinions or further ideas how we can improve this? It shouldn't be a
big problem for us to collect the money we need.

Juergen

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Re: [Proposal]: Call for donations

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:22:33 +0200
Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 in relation to our budget planning I asked myself if OpenOffice has any
 impact on the donations to the ASF? Well I don't know and we can
 probably figure this out but the question is what can we do ti collect
 more donations and use our brand more effective.
 
 When I look on our main website I found a tiny donation link in the
 footer only. From my point of view this is not good enough and we should
 think how we can improve it.
 
 I can think of a much more prominent and more visible donation link or
 whatever to make clear that OpenOffice will still benefit from donations
 to the ASF. We have more IT requirements than other ASF projects, we
 generate more network traffic, etc. and all this cost money.
 
 Furthermore I can think of a blog post to promote this in some way and
 do a public call for donation. We should of course do this more often
 with any public announcement.
 
 And opinions or further ideas how we can improve this? It shouldn't be a
 big problem for us to collect the money we need.
 
 Juergen
 

While I understand and agree with a call for donations, do I remember that a 
very early discussion on this list mentioned that donations to Apache could not 
be project specific, or am I misremembering and that the mentioned restriction 
was only flaw specific? That is, that one could donate, but could not specify 
that the donation was to be applied to fix flaw X.

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Re: [Proposal]: Call for donations

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 4/4/13 2:46 PM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
 On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:22:33 +0200
 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,

 in relation to our budget planning I asked myself if OpenOffice has any
 impact on the donations to the ASF? Well I don't know and we can
 probably figure this out but the question is what can we do ti collect
 more donations and use our brand more effective.

 When I look on our main website I found a tiny donation link in the
 footer only. From my point of view this is not good enough and we should
 think how we can improve it.

 I can think of a much more prominent and more visible donation link or
 whatever to make clear that OpenOffice will still benefit from donations
 to the ASF. We have more IT requirements than other ASF projects, we
 generate more network traffic, etc. and all this cost money.

 Furthermore I can think of a blog post to promote this in some way and
 do a public call for donation. We should of course do this more often
 with any public announcement.

 And opinions or further ideas how we can improve this? It shouldn't be a
 big problem for us to collect the money we need.

 Juergen

 
 While I understand and agree with a call for donations, do I remember that a 
 very early discussion on this list mentioned that donations to Apache could 
 not be project specific, or am I misremembering and that the mentioned 
 restriction was only flaw specific? That is, that one could donate, but could 
 not specify that the donation was to be applied to fix flaw X.
 

yes that is true but we can explain how AOO benefit from this donations
to ASF. I don't see this really as a big problem. But of course we have
to make this very clear.

Juergen

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Re: [Proposal]: Call for donations

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi,

 in relation to our budget planning I asked myself if OpenOffice has any
 impact on the donations to the ASF? Well I don't know and we can
 probably figure this out but the question is what can we do ti collect
 more donations and use our brand more effective.

 When I look on our main website I found a tiny donation link in the
 footer only. From my point of view this is not good enough and we should
 think how we can improve it.

 I can think of a much more prominent and more visible donation link or
 whatever to make clear that OpenOffice will still benefit from donations
 to the ASF. We have more IT requirements than other ASF projects, we
 generate more network traffic, etc. and all this cost money.

 Furthermore I can think of a blog post to promote this in some way and
 do a public call for donation. We should of course do this more often
 with any public announcement.

 And opinions or further ideas how we can improve this? It shouldn't be a
 big problem for us to collect the money we need.



I generally like the idea, and it would be easy to implement.  But we
should check with appropriate ASF officers (treasurer?) or committees to
make sure this would work, and to see if there are any rules we must follow
with regards to solicitations.   For example, it isn't clear to me whether
we're equipped to handle many small donations, or whether the ASF mainly
works with large corporate donations.  It could be an administrative
problem to get thousands of 20 euro donations if they need to be processed
manually, for example.

-Rob


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Re: [Proposal]: Call for donations

[Raphael Bircher]

Am 04.04.13 14:22, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:

Hi,

in relation to our budget planning I asked myself if OpenOffice has any
impact on the donations to the ASF? Well I don't know and we can
probably figure this out but the question is what can we do ti collect
more donations and use our brand more effective.

When I look on our main website I found a tiny donation link in the
footer only. From my point of view this is not good enough and we should
think how we can improve it.

I can think of a much more prominent and more visible donation link or
whatever to make clear that OpenOffice will still benefit from donations
to the ASF. We have more IT requirements than other ASF projects, we
generate more network traffic, etc. and all this cost money.

Furthermore I can think of a blog post to promote this in some way and
do a public call for donation. We should of course do this more often
with any public announcement.

And opinions or further ideas how we can improve this? It shouldn't be a
big problem for us to collect the money we need.
I disagree. Yes, we can help with foundings for ASF, but please do this 
on ASF Level. Founding money is not the task of a ASF project, It's the 
task for the foundation. It would be nice, if sameone from our project 
work with the foundrising team from ASF. I personaly would also welcome 
if the fundrising team use OOo to generate monay. But for my point of 
view it's not a topic we (as Apache OpenOffice) project has to care about.


So do this on Foundation level and not here. With other words: Nice 
idea, wrong place.  Just my option.


Greetings Raphael


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Re: [Proposal]: Call for donations

[Juergen Schmidt]

Hi,  

sorry for my top posting but I always fail to quote emails like this correct.

It is no big thing here, the ASF had a pay pal account and people can donate 
whatever they want. We simply have to encourage people to do it and gave to 
make clear that donations are made for ASF and not only AOO. Nothing more and 
nothing less, quite straight forward and transparent to everybody.

@Raphael, I don't have a problem to use our popular brand to collect money for 
the ASF in general. It' s gone for me if other good open source projects can 
benefit as well. It simply have to be clear from the beginning.  


Am Donnerstag, 4. April 2013 um 18:04 schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton:

 The PPMC went through this some time ago, because there were OO.o-specific 
 donation mechanisms that had to be either retired or redirected to ASF 
 donations. (There is a small-donation place for ASF donations. I used it once 
 to see how it worked.)  
  
 Start here: http://www.apache.org/foundation/contributing.html.
  
 As I recall: Short answer: the project can't solicit donations for 
 project-specific purposes. Longer answer: (1) Outside parties can raise funds 
 *and*disburse*them* for whatever they want to support, such as student 
 attendance at conferences, whatever. GSoC provides funding to the GSoC 
 interns. (2) That party can't claim any affiliation with ASF or an Apache 
 Project and there had better be no confusion about that.
 - Dennis
  
 PS: There was also a complex process to transfer an account balance from a 
 project-targeting fund raiser to the ASF. Ross Gardler should remember the 
 details. Louis Suárez-Potts knows more about the actual deal also.
  
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 [ ... ]
  I can think of a much more prominent and more visible donation link or
  whatever to make clear that OpenOffice will still benefit from donations
  to the ASF. We have more IT requirements than other ASF projects, we
  generate more network traffic, etc. and all this cost money.
   
  
 [ ... ]
  And opinions or further ideas how we can improve this? It shouldn't be a
  big problem for us to collect the money we need.
   
  
  
 I generally like the idea, and it would be easy to implement. But we
 should check with appropriate ASF officers (treasurer?) or committees to
 make sure this would work, and to see if there are any rules we must follow
 with regards to solicitations. For example, it isn't clear to me whether
 we're equipped to handle many small donations, or whether the ASF mainly
 works with large corporate donations. It could be an administrative
 problem to get thousands of 20 euro donations if they need to be processed
 manually, for example.
  
 -Rob
  
  
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Re: [Proposal]: Call for donations

[Marcus (OOo)]

Am 04/04/2013 04:29 PM, schrieb Raphael Bircher:

Am 04.04.13 14:22, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:

Hi,

in relation to our budget planning I asked myself if OpenOffice has any
impact on the donations to the ASF? Well I don't know and we can
probably figure this out but the question is what can we do ti collect
more donations and use our brand more effective.

When I look on our main website I found a tiny donation link in the
footer only. From my point of view this is not good enough and we should
think how we can improve it.

I can think of a much more prominent and more visible donation link or
whatever to make clear that OpenOffice will still benefit from donations
to the ASF. We have more IT requirements than other ASF projects, we
generate more network traffic, etc. and all this cost money.

Furthermore I can think of a blog post to promote this in some way and
do a public call for donation. We should of course do this more often
with any public announcement.

And opinions or further ideas how we can improve this? It shouldn't be a
big problem for us to collect the money we need.

I disagree. Yes, we can help with foundings for ASF, but please do this
on ASF Level. Founding money is not the task of a ASF project, It's the
task for the foundation. It would be nice, if sameone from our project
work with the foundrising team from ASF. I personaly would also welcome
if the fundrising team use OOo to generate monay. But for my point of
view it's not a topic we (as Apache OpenOffice) project has to care about.

So do this on Foundation level and not here. With other words: Nice
idea, wrong place. Just my option.


Of course it's not our task to do/handle/manage the donations for the 
ASF. But how I understood Juergen's proposal this is not the case here.


But we are profiting of these donations. So, I don't see any problems to 
support to increase them and to ask our users/contributors/friends to 
give some dollars/euros/... to the ASF.


It's just a question of what can we do to *help* the ASF as long as 
it's not a full time job.


Marcus

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Re: [Proposal]: Call for donations

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:

 Am 04/04/2013 04:29 PM, schrieb Raphael Bircher:

  Am 04.04.13 14:22, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:

 Hi,

 in relation to our budget planning I asked myself if OpenOffice has any
 impact on the donations to the ASF? Well I don't know and we can
 probably figure this out but the question is what can we do ti collect
 more donations and use our brand more effective.

 When I look on our main website I found a tiny donation link in the
 footer only. From my point of view this is not good enough and we should
 think how we can improve it.

 I can think of a much more prominent and more visible donation link or
 whatever to make clear that OpenOffice will still benefit from donations
 to the ASF. We have more IT requirements than other ASF projects, we
 generate more network traffic, etc. and all this cost money.

 Furthermore I can think of a blog post to promote this in some way and
 do a public call for donation. We should of course do this more often
 with any public announcement.

 And opinions or further ideas how we can improve this? It shouldn't be a
 big problem for us to collect the money we need.

 I disagree. Yes, we can help with foundings for ASF, but please do this
 on ASF Level. Founding money is not the task of a ASF project, It's the
 task for the foundation. It would be nice, if sameone from our project
 work with the foundrising team from ASF. I personaly would also welcome
 if the fundrising team use OOo to generate monay. But for my point of
 view it's not a topic we (as Apache OpenOffice) project has to care about.

 So do this on Foundation level and not here. With other words: Nice
 idea, wrong place. Just my option.


 Of course it's not our task to do/handle/manage the donations for the ASF.
 But how I understood Juergen's proposal this is not the case here.

 But we are profiting of these donations. So, I don't see any problems to
 support to increase them and to ask our users/contributors/friends to give
 some dollars/euros/... to the ASF.

 It's just a question of what can we do to *help* the ASF as long as it's
 not a full time job.


That's a good way to think of it.  We (AOO) don't run ApacheCon either,
but when registration gets close we're happy to send a note to our users
list and even put a button on our website to help drive greater
attendance.  If there is a fundraising drive I'm sure we can find a way to
help in similar way.

-Rob



 Marcus


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Re: [Proposal]: Call for donations

[Andrea Pescetti]

Raphael Bircher wrote:

Am 04.04.13 14:22, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:

And opinions or further ideas how we can improve this? It shouldn't be a
big problem for us to collect the money we need.

I disagree. Yes, we can help with foundings for ASF, but please do this
on ASF Level. Founding money is not the task of a ASF project, It's the
task for the foundation.


The Foundation is made by its projects, so OpenOffice should definitely 
help with fundraising. Consider that OpenOffice (downloads excluded!) 
generates as much web traffic as all the other Apache projects put 
together, or something reasonably close to that. Also, the OpenOffice 
infrastructure requirements (buildbots, management) generates additional 
expenses for the Foundation that only benefit the OpenOffice project.


In short: if OpenOffice can use its web traffic and popularity to drive 
more donations to the Foundation, it will surely directly benefit from 
most of them. So I agree with Juergen that we should solicit donations.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: [Proposal]: Call for donations

[Joseph Schaefer]

FWIW last time I checked there was a huge increase
in paypal donations once OpenOffice adjusted it's
contribution page accordingly.


On Apr 4, 2013, at 6:21 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:

 Raphael Bircher wrote:
 Am 04.04.13 14:22, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:
 And opinions or further ideas how we can improve this? It shouldn't be a
 big problem for us to collect the money we need.
 I disagree. Yes, we can help with foundings for ASF, but please do this
 on ASF Level. Founding money is not the task of a ASF project, It's the
 task for the foundation.
 
 The Foundation is made by its projects, so OpenOffice should definitely help 
 with fundraising. Consider that OpenOffice (downloads excluded!) generates as 
 much web traffic as all the other Apache projects put together, or something 
 reasonably close to that. Also, the OpenOffice infrastructure requirements 
 (buildbots, management) generates additional expenses for the Foundation that 
 only benefit the OpenOffice project.
 
 In short: if OpenOffice can use its web traffic and popularity to drive more 
 donations to the Foundation, it will surely directly benefit from most of 
 them. So I agree with Juergen that we should solicit donations.
 
 Regards,
  Andrea.
 
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Re: [Proposal]: Call for donations

[Daniel Shahaf]

You might want to talk to fundraising@ before you do anything --- not as
much for permission as for ideas on how to frame the Please donate
request.

(fundraising@ is privately-archived)

Joseph Schaefer wrote on Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 18:38:18 -0400:
 FWIW last time I checked there was a huge increase
 in paypal donations once OpenOffice adjusted it's
 contribution page accordingly.
 
 
 On Apr 4, 2013, at 6:21 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:
 
  Raphael Bircher wrote:
  Am 04.04.13 14:22, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:
  And opinions or further ideas how we can improve this? It shouldn't be a
  big problem for us to collect the money we need.
  I disagree. Yes, we can help with foundings for ASF, but please do this
  on ASF Level. Founding money is not the task of a ASF project, It's the
  task for the foundation.
  
  The Foundation is made by its projects, so OpenOffice should definitely 
  help with fundraising. Consider that OpenOffice (downloads excluded!) 
  generates as much web traffic as all the other Apache projects put 
  together, or something reasonably close to that. Also, the OpenOffice 
  infrastructure requirements (buildbots, management) generates additional 
  expenses for the Foundation that only benefit the OpenOffice project.
  
  In short: if OpenOffice can use its web traffic and popularity to drive 
  more donations to the Foundation, it will surely directly benefit from most 
  of them. So I agree with Juergen that we should solicit donations.
  
  Regards,
   Andrea.
  
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Re: [Proposal]: Call for donations

[Dave Fisher]

We can easily copy the Donate button from the footer to the topnav.

We can request that l10n teams add a translated donate button for their 
language. If they haven't translated their brand and topnav now would a time to 
do so. We would want to translate the fundraising page, too.

Is this a vehicle for incrementally starting the new web hierarchy? Some 
variation on the plans that many of us have kicked around?

On Apr 4, 2013, at 4:05 PM, Daniel Shahaf wrote:

 You might want to talk to fundraising@ before you do anything --- not as
 much for permission as for ideas on how to frame the Please donate
 request.
 
 (fundraising@ is privately-archived)
 
 Joseph Schaefer wrote on Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 18:38:18 -0400:
 FWIW last time I checked there was a huge increase
 in paypal donations once OpenOffice adjusted it's
 contribution page accordingly.
 
 
 On Apr 4, 2013, at 6:21 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:
 
 Raphael Bircher wrote:
 Am 04.04.13 14:22, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:
 And opinions or further ideas how we can improve this? It shouldn't be a
 big problem for us to collect the money we need.
 I disagree. Yes, we can help with foundings for ASF, but please do this
 on ASF Level. Founding money is not the task of a ASF project, It's the
 task for the foundation.
 
 The Foundation is made by its projects, so OpenOffice should definitely 
 help with fundraising. Consider that OpenOffice (downloads excluded!) 
 generates as much web traffic as all the other Apache projects put 
 together, or something reasonably close to that. Also, the OpenOffice 
 infrastructure requirements (buildbots, management) generates additional 
 expenses for the Foundation that only benefit the OpenOffice project.
 
 In short: if OpenOffice can use its web traffic and popularity to drive 
 more donations to the Foundation, it will surely directly benefit from most 
 of them. So I agree with Juergen that we should solicit donations.
 
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 Andrea.
 
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Re: [Proposal]: Call for donations

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:

 We can easily copy the Donate button from the footer to the topnav.


The pages are already so busy that making anything stand out is rather
difficult.

I'll give you an example.  We (Samer and I) did an experiment with
different placements of the social sharing links.  So we weren't asking for
money or anything like that.  We were just asking users to friend us on
Facebook.

We tracked the response rate over a two week period.

For placement up on the navbar or to the right of search, the response rate
was 0.04%.

For further down on the page, in its own section (how we have it now) the
response rate was 0.19%.

The best rate was right front and center, above the announcement with
graphics.  That had 0.34% response rate.  Though that was the best, we
opted not to go with it since it was not really appropriate for permanent
use, though it might work OK for a temporary campaign.

(We also did some variations that were text-only, but the versions with
graphics did better each time)

So with 0.34% response rate on click through, we'd get maybe 2500
clicks/day. Not sure what % of those would actually contribute, but even at
1% that adds up over a while.

Another entirely unrelated approach would be to have an Amazon Affiliate
account for the ASF and then have a listing of books related to Apache
projects.  The ASF would then get a % of each referred sale. That could be
huge, especially with the Hadoop family of projects.

-Rob


 We can request that l10n teams add a translated donate button for their
 language. If they haven't translated their brand and topnav now would a
 time to do so. We would want to translate the fundraising page, too.

 Is this a vehicle for incrementally starting the new web hierarchy? Some
 variation on the plans that many of us have kicked around?

 On Apr 4, 2013, at 4:05 PM, Daniel Shahaf wrote:

  You might want to talk to fundraising@ before you do anything --- not as
  much for permission as for ideas on how to frame the Please donate
  request.
 
  (fundraising@ is privately-archived)
 
  Joseph Schaefer wrote on Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 18:38:18 -0400:
  FWIW last time I checked there was a huge increase
  in paypal donations once OpenOffice adjusted it's
  contribution page accordingly.
 
 
  On Apr 4, 2013, at 6:21 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org
 wrote:
 
  Raphael Bircher wrote:
  Am 04.04.13 14:22, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:
  And opinions or further ideas how we can improve this? It shouldn't
 be a
  big problem for us to collect the money we need.
  I disagree. Yes, we can help with foundings for ASF, but please do
 this
  on ASF Level. Founding money is not the task of a ASF project, It's
 the
  task for the foundation.
 
  The Foundation is made by its projects, so OpenOffice should
 definitely help with fundraising. Consider that OpenOffice (downloads
 excluded!) generates as much web traffic as all the other Apache projects
 put together, or something reasonably close to that. Also, the OpenOffice
 infrastructure requirements (buildbots, management) generates additional
 expenses for the Foundation that only benefit the OpenOffice project.
 
  In short: if OpenOffice can use its web traffic and popularity to
 drive more donations to the Foundation, it will surely directly benefit
 from most of them. So I agree with Juergen that we should solicit donations.
 
  Regards,
  Andrea.
 
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