Re: [SailfishDevel] A new Jolla phone user - after 2 days of use

[mourik jan heupink]

Hi,

On 12/19/2013 6:59, Kalle Vahlman wrote:

Did you focus the text entry? Oskari's screenshot shows the feeds, but
the icon I was mentioning is the one that appears*above*  the "share
what's on your mind"... (I'm just curious at this point:)

Just tried: that works to post a statusupdate, yes.

MJ
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Re: [SailfishDevel] A new Jolla phone user - after 2 days of use

[Kalle Vahlman]

2013/12/18 mourik jan heupink :
> Hi,
>
> So...turns out that my facebook account somehow disappeard from my device...
> Now I added it again, and now I do have the facebook icon.
>
> However: selecting it, simply takes me to the facebook logon page, where I
> have to enter my logon details again.

Did you focus the text entry? Oskari's screenshot shows the feeds, but
the icon I was mentioning is the one that appears *above* the "share
what's on your mind"... (I'm just curious at this point :)

-- 
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Porkkalankatu 20, FI-00180 Helsinki
Tel +358 9 8567 6400
Fax +358 9 8567 6401
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Re: [SailfishDevel] A new Jolla phone user - after 2 days of use

[mourik jan heupink]

Hi,

So...turns out that my facebook account somehow disappeard from my 
device... Now I added it again, and now I do have the facebook icon.


However: selecting it, simply takes me to the facebook logon page, where 
I have to enter my logon details again.


So...as far as I can see, adding a facebook account to my jolla device 
doesn't do very much...


But thanks for making the screenshot Oskari.

MJ


On 12/18/2013 05:06 PM, ott...@wippies.fi wrote:

Hi,

This is how it appears for me.
(I hope this time I'm sending this from the correct email...)

~Oskari


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Re: [SailfishDevel] A new Jolla phone user - after 2 days of use

[mourik jan heupink]

Wait... facebook icon??

I have no such icon, even though I added my facbook account..??

On 12/17/2013 04:11 PM, ottulo...@gmail.com wrote:

I think the point was that while tweets are integrated in the ui of the 
notifications, tapping on the facebook icon simply opens the browser. I agree, 
this seems like it's just unfinished but should be there in the future.

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Re: [SailfishDevel] A new Jolla phone user - after 2 days of use

[ottulonen]

Hi all,

I think the point was that while tweets are integrated in the ui of the 
notifications, tapping on the facebook icon simply opens the browser. I agree, 
this seems like it's just unfinished but should be there in the future.

By the way, I'd like to see the mail app recognize mailing lists and offer an 
option to reply to the list. Now I had to manually edit the address.

Best regards,
ottulo 

On Tue Dec 17 2013 16:53:07 GMT+0200 (EET), Kalle Vahlman wrote:
>2013/12/17 mourik jan heupink :
>> Hi Kalle,
>>
>>
>>> Pull from the bottom of the screen almost anywhere and at least for
>>> twitter you'll see a feed icon for reading and "share your thoughts"
>>> or similar text entry for tweeting.
>>
>> Right! Had not yet discovered that one. Seems to be twitter-only though. I
>> guess facebook interaction is simply not there, yet?
>
>I would assume facebook should have it's own icon above the text entry
>when you focus it (why else there would be one for twitter?), but I'm
>not a user so don't know for sure...
>
>-- 
>Kalle Vahlman, Movial Creative Technologies Inc.
>Porkkalankatu 20, FI-00180 Helsinki
>Tel +358 9 8567 6400
>Fax +358 9 8567 6401
>www.movial.com
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Re: [SailfishDevel] A new Jolla phone user - after 2 days of use

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On 17/12/13 14:16, Alexander Bigga wrote:

Hi Valerio,

Am 17.12.2013 11:43, schrieb Valerio Valerio:

On 17/12/13 10:37, a.gra...@gmail.com wrote:

So, can we use IMAP+CardDav+CalDav on Jolla?

CalDav for Calendar sync is not supported at the moment, will be offered
in a update, contacts and mail are supported by configuring a google
account.

It's a bit funny to buy a phone with full opensource OS to get rid of
google and to realize afterwards that I need google for contacts
synchronization.


Question here was about syncing google mail/calendar and contacts, so 
the way to go is using the google account, if you want to configure your 
google email 'manually' via IMAP is also supported, just choose 'Email' 
account instead, at this time other services are not supported.


Best regards,

Valério


IMAP-Push, CardDav, CalDav are basics which Jolla (or better Sailfish)
really needs. It's so easy to use e.g. ownloud to synchronize all this
stuff.

Looking forward to the next updates and the power of community apps.

Best regards,

Alexander


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Re: [SailfishDevel] A new Jolla phone user - after 2 days of use

[Kalle Vahlman]

2013/12/17 mourik jan heupink :
> Hi Kalle,
>
>
>> Pull from the bottom of the screen almost anywhere and at least for
>> twitter you'll see a feed icon for reading and "share your thoughts"
>> or similar text entry for tweeting.
>
> Right! Had not yet discovered that one. Seems to be twitter-only though. I
> guess facebook interaction is simply not there, yet?

I would assume facebook should have it's own icon above the text entry
when you focus it (why else there would be one for twitter?), but I'm
not a user so don't know for sure...

-- 
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Porkkalankatu 20, FI-00180 Helsinki
Tel +358 9 8567 6400
Fax +358 9 8567 6401
www.movial.com
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Re: [SailfishDevel] A new Jolla phone user - after 2 days of use

[Nils Jeisecke]

Hi,

did anybody manage to create all-day events in the calendar? It shows
existing events as all-day but I can't find a UI for setting that.

Nils
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Re: [SailfishDevel] A new Jolla phone user - after 2 days of use

[mourik jan heupink]

Hi,

Well, only one cycle. But: because of the missing features / issues we 
talked about in this thread, I am not yet using it as my 'production' 
phone, but kind of as a tablet to play with, for now.


MJ

On 12/17/2013 02:51 PM, Gianguido Sorà wrote:

Can you give us some details about battery life?
How many battery cycles you did?

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Re: [SailfishDevel] A new Jolla phone user - after 2 days of use

[mourik jan heupink]

On 12/17/2013 03:22 PM, Luca Donaggio wrote:

Is there a way to be notified of incoming mails in any folder (I'm using
IMAP)? Actually it seems to me that it monitors Inbox folder only.
With my N9 I used to mark some folders as fovourites and I got
notifications for new mails in all of them: anything like that?
I miss that too. I keep an eye on various imap folders through the day, 
and on sailfish that's not (yet) an easy task.


Also a 'mark imap folder as read' option would be very welcome. (I 
missed that very much on the N9)

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Re: [SailfishDevel] A new Jolla phone user - after 2 days of use

[mourik jan heupink]

Hi Kalle,


Pull from the bottom of the screen almost anywhere and at least for
twitter you'll see a feed icon for reading and "share your thoughts"
or similar text entry for tweeting.
Right! Had not yet discovered that one. Seems to be twitter-only though. 
I guess facebook interaction is simply not there, yet?



It is a bit funny to say "anymore" given that N9 is from a different
company and with a different UI layer... ;)

True, true :-)

Thanks for the twitter tip!
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Re: [SailfishDevel] A new Jolla phone user - after 2 days of use

[Luca Donaggio]

Is there a way to be notified of incoming mails in any folder (I'm using
IMAP)? Actually it seems to me that it monitors Inbox folder only.
With my N9 I used to mark some folders as fovourites and I got
notifications for new mails in all of them: anything like that?


On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Gianguido Sorà wrote:

> Can you give us some details about battery life?
> How many battery cycles you did?
> Il 17/dic/2013 14:48 "mourik jan heupink"  ha
> scritto:
>
> My list of questions/issues:
>>
>> - there doesn't seem to be a way to interact with facebook / twitter,
>> even though I have added those accounts. (or am I missing something..?)
>>
>> - on my N9 I could swipe to the right/left to get to the 'running apps'
>> screen. That doesn't seem to work anymore.
>>
>> - And yes: I too miss N9 swype to enter text. I hope we'll see that
>> back..!
>>
>> - I'd like to see a dutch T9/swype dictionary, for me the interface
>> language could stay english only
>>
>> - Caldav! Without it, jolla can not become my primary daily phone. (i
>> depend on various caldav calendars)
>>
>> For the rest: great! Anxiously awaiting future updates!
>>
>> MJ
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Re: [SailfishDevel] A new Jolla phone user - after 2 days of use

[Alexander Bigga]

Hi Valerio,

Am 17.12.2013 11:43, schrieb Valerio Valerio:
> On 17/12/13 10:37, a.gra...@gmail.com wrote:

>> So, can we use IMAP+CardDav+CalDav on Jolla?
> 
> CalDav for Calendar sync is not supported at the moment, will be offered
> in a update, contacts and mail are supported by configuring a google
> account.

It's a bit funny to buy a phone with full opensource OS to get rid of
google and to realize afterwards that I need google for contacts
synchronization.

IMAP-Push, CardDav, CalDav are basics which Jolla (or better Sailfish)
really needs. It's so easy to use e.g. ownloud to synchronize all this
stuff.

Looking forward to the next updates and the power of community apps.

Best regards,

Alexander


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Re: [SailfishDevel] A new Jolla phone user - after 2 days of use

[Kalle Vahlman]

2013/12/17 mourik jan heupink :
> My list of questions/issues:
>
> - there doesn't seem to be a way to interact with facebook / twitter, even
> though I have added those accounts. (or am I missing something..?)

Pull from the bottom of the screen almost anywhere and at least for
twitter you'll see a feed icon for reading and "share your thoughts"
or similar text entry for tweeting.

> - on my N9 I could swipe to the right/left to get to the 'running apps'
> screen. That doesn't seem to work anymore.

It is a bit funny to say "anymore" given that N9 is from a different
company and with a different UI layer... ;)

-- 
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Porkkalankatu 20, FI-00180 Helsinki
Tel +358 9 8567 6400
Fax +358 9 8567 6401
www.movial.com
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Re: [SailfishDevel] A new Jolla phone user - after 2 days of use

[Gianguido Sorà]

Can you give us some details about battery life?
How many battery cycles you did?
Il 17/dic/2013 14:48 "mourik jan heupink"  ha
scritto:

> My list of questions/issues:
>
> - there doesn't seem to be a way to interact with facebook / twitter, even
> though I have added those accounts. (or am I missing something..?)
>
> - on my N9 I could swipe to the right/left to get to the 'running apps'
> screen. That doesn't seem to work anymore.
>
> - And yes: I too miss N9 swype to enter text. I hope we'll see that back..!
>
> - I'd like to see a dutch T9/swype dictionary, for me the interface
> language could stay english only
>
> - Caldav! Without it, jolla can not become my primary daily phone. (i
> depend on various caldav calendars)
>
> For the rest: great! Anxiously awaiting future updates!
>
> MJ
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Re: [SailfishDevel] A new Jolla phone user - after 2 days of use

[mourik jan heupink]

My list of questions/issues:

- there doesn't seem to be a way to interact with facebook / twitter, 
even though I have added those accounts. (or am I missing something..?)


- on my N9 I could swipe to the right/left to get to the 'running apps' 
screen. That doesn't seem to work anymore.


- And yes: I too miss N9 swype to enter text. I hope we'll see that back..!

- I'd like to see a dutch T9/swype dictionary, for me the interface 
language could stay english only


- Caldav! Without it, jolla can not become my primary daily phone. (i 
depend on various caldav calendars)


For the rest: great! Anxiously awaiting future updates!

MJ
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Re: [SailfishDevel] A new Jolla phone user - after 2 days of use

[Nils Jeisecke]

Hi,

On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Vesa-Matti Hartikainen
 wrote:
> In the email you cannot copy when viewing the mail, but if you reply you can
> then select the plain text content to copy. Paste works in the mail editor.
Ok, that's a good workaround (this didn't work on N9).

>> - Browser can't share links
> Long tap a link and click share. If you  have twitter/fb/email configured
> you can share to those. To share current page go to tab view from icon in
> middle and select share from pulley menu by pulling the UI down.
That's not so obvious to find. I would have expected a pulley on top
the web page instead.

Regards

Nils
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[Nils Jeisecke]

Hi,

> is that a payed account ? (google apps for business for e.g).
Yes. And push works fine on N9, BB10 and even Symbian.

Nils
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Re: [SailfishDevel] A new Jolla phone user - after 2 days of use

[Valerio Valerio]

On 17/12/13 10:37, a.gra...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Valerio,

that Google support page doesn't offer a real solution it seems.
It confirms that Google Sync will stop working and it says that IMAP, 
CardDav and CalDav are available instead.


So, can we use IMAP+CardDav+CalDav on Jolla?


CalDav for Calendar sync is not supported at the moment, will be offered 
in a update, contacts and mail are supported by configuring a google 
account.


Best regards,

Valério



On 17 December 2013 10:27, Valerio Valerio 
> wrote:


Hi,


On 17/12/13 10:11, Nils Jeisecke wrote:

Hi,

- Fonts look generally pretty bad (most obvious in the launcher)
- Scrolling makes pixels look "jaggy". Open Terminal, type ls,
go to
app switcher and drag a little bit => pixels in the minimized
terminal
app start to dance around
- Android Tasks must be handled by the Sailfish Taskswitcher. BB10
does this right.
- Pinning would be useful
- email Push over Exchange does not work for me (using Google)


is that a payed account ? (google apps for business for e.g).
If not, access will stop working at the end of the year, does not
make sense to invest time and resource in a service that will stop
working in a few more days(unless google extent the support
again). Google suggests these alternatives:
https://support.google.com/a/answer/2716936

Best regards,

Valério



On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Kari Pihkala
mailto:kari.pihk...@gmail.com>> wrote:

2. There should be a way to go straight from Lock
Screen to Launcher
(instead of needing to go through Home)

i don't agree, for multi-processing this is better,
plus there's a pulley
menu on lock for the relevant apps... i suppose this
is configurable

I also have difficulties with the Home screen and I would
rather use the
Launcher screen to switch between apps. I think the reason
is that

in Home screen:

  * Covers move around so I have to go through them one by
one to find the
app I need. Only if I continuously swap between two apps,
I might trust that
the app is the first or second one in the grid.
  * Cover texts/images change, so I have to read/decypher
images to
understand which app they relate to. This is slow.

in Launcher screen:

  * App icons don't move around. I can rely on my spatial
memory and find the
app always at the same spot. Often, I have already moved
my finger over the
app before the screen has stopped scrolling.
  * App icons don't change. Recognizing a familiar icon is
faster than
reading/decyphering images.

Perhaps the number of covers displayed on Home could be
customizable? I
would limit it to three small ones (or remove all). The
app icons could move
up to occupy the free space.

Also pinning the covers would help (I would pin most of them).

I never close apps, so I have all the time nine small
covers on the Home
screen. Am I doing it wrong?

Cheers,
Kari



2013/12/14 AL13N mailto:al...@rmail.be>>

Hi,

Moving from N9/Meego two days ago, I find
Jolla/Sailfish very easy to
use,
and have some feedback (wishlist?). I hope this is
the right place for
this feedback, otherwise please point me to the
correct place.

i'm not a jolla dev, nor do i have a jolla, but i'll
reply and give my
thoughts...

Current version: 1.0.1.10 (notification for
version upgrade came almost
immediate I got online)

Sailfish/Platform specific:
1. From Lock Screen, swiping-up should bring me to
Home screen, but it
often brings up the Events screen even if there is no
notifications/events. A friend's N9 community
edition Sailfish allows
swiping from the left/right side on Lock screen -
the same doesn't work
on
my Jolla.

if you swipe up from the bottom, it brings event
screen, if you swipe up
from the middle, it brings home screen. takes some
getting used to...

 

Re: [SailfishDevel] A new Jolla phone user - after 2 days of use

[a.gra...@gmail.com]

Hi Valerio,

that Google support page doesn't offer a real solution it seems.
It confirms that Google Sync will stop working and it says that IMAP,
CardDav and CalDav are available instead.

So, can we use IMAP+CardDav+CalDav on Jolla?


On 17 December 2013 10:27, Valerio Valerio
wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> On 17/12/13 10:11, Nils Jeisecke wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> - Fonts look generally pretty bad (most obvious in the launcher)
>> - Scrolling makes pixels look "jaggy". Open Terminal, type ls, go to
>> app switcher and drag a little bit => pixels in the minimized terminal
>> app start to dance around
>> - Android Tasks must be handled by the Sailfish Taskswitcher. BB10
>> does this right.
>> - Pinning would be useful
>> - email Push over Exchange does not work for me (using Google)
>>
>
> is that a payed account ? (google apps for business for e.g).
> If not, access will stop working at the end of the year, does not make
> sense to invest time and resource in a service that will stop working in a
> few more days(unless google extent the support again). Google suggests
> these alternatives: https://support.google.com/a/answer/2716936
>
> Best regards,
>
> Valério
>
>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Kari Pihkala 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 2. There should be a way to go straight from Lock Screen to Launcher
> (instead of needing to go through Home)
>
 i don't agree, for multi-processing this is better, plus there's a
 pulley
 menu on lock for the relevant apps... i suppose this is configurable

>>> I also have difficulties with the Home screen and I would rather use the
>>> Launcher screen to switch between apps. I think the reason is that
>>>
>>> in Home screen:
>>>
>>>   * Covers move around so I have to go through them one by one to find
>>> the
>>> app I need. Only if I continuously swap between two apps, I might trust
>>> that
>>> the app is the first or second one in the grid.
>>>   * Cover texts/images change, so I have to read/decypher images to
>>> understand which app they relate to. This is slow.
>>>
>>> in Launcher screen:
>>>
>>>   * App icons don't move around. I can rely on my spatial memory and
>>> find the
>>> app always at the same spot. Often, I have already moved my finger over
>>> the
>>> app before the screen has stopped scrolling.
>>>   * App icons don't change. Recognizing a familiar icon is faster than
>>> reading/decyphering images.
>>>
>>> Perhaps the number of covers displayed on Home could be customizable? I
>>> would limit it to three small ones (or remove all). The app icons could
>>> move
>>> up to occupy the free space.
>>>
>>> Also pinning the covers would help (I would pin most of them).
>>>
>>> I never close apps, so I have all the time nine small covers on the Home
>>> screen. Am I doing it wrong?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Kari
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/12/14 AL13N 
>>>
 Hi,
>
> Moving from N9/Meego two days ago, I find Jolla/Sailfish very easy to
> use,
> and have some feedback (wishlist?). I hope this is the right place for
> this feedback, otherwise please point me to the correct place.
>
 i'm not a jolla dev, nor do i have a jolla, but i'll reply and give my
 thoughts...

  Current version: 1.0.1.10 (notification for version upgrade came almost
> immediate I got online)
>
> Sailfish/Platform specific:
> 1. From Lock Screen, swiping-up should bring me to Home screen, but it
> often brings up the Events screen even if there is no
> notifications/events. A friend's N9 community edition Sailfish allows
> swiping from the left/right side on Lock screen - the same doesn’t work
> on
> my Jolla.
>
 if you swipe up from the bottom, it brings event screen, if you swipe up
 from the middle, it brings home screen. takes some getting used to...

 maybe swiping left/right doens't work if you don't have a TOH?

  2. There should be a way to go straight from Lock Screen to Launcher
> (instead of needing to go through Home)
>
 i don't agree, for multi-processing this is better, plus there's a
 pulley
 menu on lock for the relevant apps... i suppose this is configurable

  3. Easier (less taps) accessible configuration (eg WLAN, Bluetooth)
> from
> any screen (not just "Settings")
>
 wasn't there some kind of cover where you could do this? there's been a
 request for pinning covers, i would like this in combination...

  4. Need easier way view the current connection (All the connection
> related
> icons on Lock Screen are hard to decode at least initially - in
> particular
> for the Mobile Network Data icon, but WLAN icon also hard to decode)
> 5. More configurable settings (colour selection for text/notification
> icons/etc, background picture, additional items to be displayed on Lock
> screen)
>
 this is done via ambience iinm, but i agree that this Abience should
 really be allowed t

Re: [SailfishDevel] A new Jolla phone user - after 2 days of use

[Vesa-Matti Hartikainen]

On 12/17/2013 12:21 PM, Nils Jeisecke wrote:

- Cannot copy/paste in Mail or in Browser
 Copy & Paste is not yet ready for web content. The URL you can copy & 
paste just like any other text field.


In the email you cannot copy when viewing the mail, but if you reply you 
can then select the plain text content to copy. Paste works in the mail 
editor.



- Browser can't share links
 Long tap a link and click share. If you  have twitter/fb/email 
configured you can share to those. To share current page go to tab view 
from icon in middle and select share from pulley menu by pulling the UI 
down.


--
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Jolla Oy
http://jolla.com
p. +358 50 487 6067

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[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On 17/12/13 10:11, Nils Jeisecke wrote:

Hi,

- Fonts look generally pretty bad (most obvious in the launcher)
- Scrolling makes pixels look "jaggy". Open Terminal, type ls, go to
app switcher and drag a little bit => pixels in the minimized terminal
app start to dance around
- Android Tasks must be handled by the Sailfish Taskswitcher. BB10
does this right.
- Pinning would be useful
- email Push over Exchange does not work for me (using Google)


is that a payed account ? (google apps for business for e.g).
If not, access will stop working at the end of the year, does not make 
sense to invest time and resource in a service that will stop working in 
a few more days(unless google extent the support again). Google suggests 
these alternatives: https://support.google.com/a/answer/2716936


Best regards,

Valério



On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Kari Pihkala  wrote:

2. There should be a way to go straight from Lock Screen to Launcher
(instead of needing to go through Home)

i don't agree, for multi-processing this is better, plus there's a pulley
menu on lock for the relevant apps... i suppose this is configurable

I also have difficulties with the Home screen and I would rather use the
Launcher screen to switch between apps. I think the reason is that

in Home screen:

  * Covers move around so I have to go through them one by one to find the
app I need. Only if I continuously swap between two apps, I might trust that
the app is the first or second one in the grid.
  * Cover texts/images change, so I have to read/decypher images to
understand which app they relate to. This is slow.

in Launcher screen:

  * App icons don't move around. I can rely on my spatial memory and find the
app always at the same spot. Often, I have already moved my finger over the
app before the screen has stopped scrolling.
  * App icons don't change. Recognizing a familiar icon is faster than
reading/decyphering images.

Perhaps the number of covers displayed on Home could be customizable? I
would limit it to three small ones (or remove all). The app icons could move
up to occupy the free space.

Also pinning the covers would help (I would pin most of them).

I never close apps, so I have all the time nine small covers on the Home
screen. Am I doing it wrong?

Cheers,
Kari



2013/12/14 AL13N 

Hi,

Moving from N9/Meego two days ago, I find Jolla/Sailfish very easy to
use,
and have some feedback (wishlist?). I hope this is the right place for
this feedback, otherwise please point me to the correct place.

i'm not a jolla dev, nor do i have a jolla, but i'll reply and give my
thoughts...


Current version: 1.0.1.10 (notification for version upgrade came almost
immediate I got online)

Sailfish/Platform specific:
1. From Lock Screen, swiping-up should bring me to Home screen, but it
often brings up the Events screen even if there is no
notifications/events. A friend's N9 community edition Sailfish allows
swiping from the left/right side on Lock screen - the same doesn’t work
on
my Jolla.

if you swipe up from the bottom, it brings event screen, if you swipe up
from the middle, it brings home screen. takes some getting used to...

maybe swiping left/right doens't work if you don't have a TOH?


2. There should be a way to go straight from Lock Screen to Launcher
(instead of needing to go through Home)

i don't agree, for multi-processing this is better, plus there's a pulley
menu on lock for the relevant apps... i suppose this is configurable


3. Easier (less taps) accessible configuration (eg WLAN, Bluetooth) from
any screen (not just "Settings")

wasn't there some kind of cover where you could do this? there's been a
request for pinning covers, i would like this in combination...


4. Need easier way view the current connection (All the connection
related
icons on Lock Screen are hard to decode at least initially - in
particular
for the Mobile Network Data icon, but WLAN icon also hard to decode)
5. More configurable settings (colour selection for text/notification
icons/etc, background picture, additional items to be displayed on Lock
screen)

this is done via ambience iinm, but i agree that this Abience should
really be allowed to be tuned/configured a bit...


6. Icon's Text on Launcher screen feels a bit hard to read (doesn’t look
very solid)

Ambience?


7. Add ability to have different colours to different inbuilt apps (eg.
Phone, messaging/SMS, etc) - they currently all look very similar on the
Home screen and colour differentiation would help usability greatly.

i think this would have issues with different Ambiences


8. Auto-correct while typing (maybe as a configurable option)
9. Please bring Swype to Sailfish!
10. Chinese writing input (find the button = with extra -, that should

allow configuration) i heard this on #jollamobile at freenode IRC




Jolla Applications:
1. Sometimes Email's connection frequency setting does not appear to be
observed - email isnt checked every 30 minutes as I had configured, and

Re: [SailfishDevel] A new Jolla phone user - after 2 days of use

[Nils Jeisecke]

Oops, sent to early...

- With the white cover and it's ambient active you can hardly read
your network providers's name in the lock screen (not much of an
information loss but it looks rather strange)
- Cannot copy/paste in Mail or in Browser
- Browser can't share links
- Don't like the Browser's look and feel. It is totally out of place
with the rest of the OS.
- Regular disconnects from WLAN
- I had to manually setup the APN for T-Mobile

Don't get me wrong. It's great to have the device but it does wear the
beta tag for a reason. However I love to have double tap to wake-up
back ;-)

Nils
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Re: [SailfishDevel] A new Jolla phone user - after 2 days of use

[Nils Jeisecke]

Hi,

- Fonts look generally pretty bad (most obvious in the launcher)
- Scrolling makes pixels look "jaggy". Open Terminal, type ls, go to
app switcher and drag a little bit => pixels in the minimized terminal
app start to dance around
- Android Tasks must be handled by the Sailfish Taskswitcher. BB10
does this right.
- Pinning would be useful
- email Push over Exchange does not work for me (using Google)


On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Kari Pihkala  wrote:
>> > 2. There should be a way to go straight from Lock Screen to Launcher
>> > (instead of needing to go through Home)
>>
>> i don't agree, for multi-processing this is better, plus there's a pulley
>> menu on lock for the relevant apps... i suppose this is configurable
>
> I also have difficulties with the Home screen and I would rather use the
> Launcher screen to switch between apps. I think the reason is that
>
> in Home screen:
>
>  * Covers move around so I have to go through them one by one to find the
> app I need. Only if I continuously swap between two apps, I might trust that
> the app is the first or second one in the grid.
>  * Cover texts/images change, so I have to read/decypher images to
> understand which app they relate to. This is slow.
>
> in Launcher screen:
>
>  * App icons don't move around. I can rely on my spatial memory and find the
> app always at the same spot. Often, I have already moved my finger over the
> app before the screen has stopped scrolling.
>  * App icons don't change. Recognizing a familiar icon is faster than
> reading/decyphering images.
>
> Perhaps the number of covers displayed on Home could be customizable? I
> would limit it to three small ones (or remove all). The app icons could move
> up to occupy the free space.
>
> Also pinning the covers would help (I would pin most of them).
>
> I never close apps, so I have all the time nine small covers on the Home
> screen. Am I doing it wrong?
>
> Cheers,
> Kari
>
>
>
> 2013/12/14 AL13N 
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Moving from N9/Meego two days ago, I find Jolla/Sailfish very easy to
>> > use,
>> > and have some feedback (wishlist?). I hope this is the right place for
>> > this feedback, otherwise please point me to the correct place.
>>
>> i'm not a jolla dev, nor do i have a jolla, but i'll reply and give my
>> thoughts...
>>
>> > Current version: 1.0.1.10 (notification for version upgrade came almost
>> > immediate I got online)
>> >
>> > Sailfish/Platform specific:
>> > 1. From Lock Screen, swiping-up should bring me to Home screen, but it
>> > often brings up the Events screen even if there is no
>> > notifications/events. A friend's N9 community edition Sailfish allows
>> > swiping from the left/right side on Lock screen - the same doesn’t work
>> > on
>> > my Jolla.
>>
>> if you swipe up from the bottom, it brings event screen, if you swipe up
>> from the middle, it brings home screen. takes some getting used to...
>>
>> maybe swiping left/right doens't work if you don't have a TOH?
>>
>> > 2. There should be a way to go straight from Lock Screen to Launcher
>> > (instead of needing to go through Home)
>>
>> i don't agree, for multi-processing this is better, plus there's a pulley
>> menu on lock for the relevant apps... i suppose this is configurable
>>
>> > 3. Easier (less taps) accessible configuration (eg WLAN, Bluetooth) from
>> > any screen (not just "Settings")
>>
>> wasn't there some kind of cover where you could do this? there's been a
>> request for pinning covers, i would like this in combination...
>>
>> > 4. Need easier way view the current connection (All the connection
>> > related
>> > icons on Lock Screen are hard to decode at least initially - in
>> > particular
>> > for the Mobile Network Data icon, but WLAN icon also hard to decode)
>> > 5. More configurable settings (colour selection for text/notification
>> > icons/etc, background picture, additional items to be displayed on Lock
>> > screen)
>>
>> this is done via ambience iinm, but i agree that this Abience should
>> really be allowed to be tuned/configured a bit...
>>
>> > 6. Icon's Text on Launcher screen feels a bit hard to read (doesn’t look
>> > very solid)
>>
>> Ambience?
>>
>> > 7. Add ability to have different colours to different inbuilt apps (eg.
>> > Phone, messaging/SMS, etc) - they currently all look very similar on the
>> > Home screen and colour differentiation would help usability greatly.
>>
>> i think this would have issues with different Ambiences
>>
>> > 8. Auto-correct while typing (maybe as a configurable option)
>> > 9. Please bring Swype to Sailfish!
>> > 10. Chinese writing input (find the button = with extra -, that should
>> allow configuration) i heard this on #jollamobile at freenode IRC
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Jolla Applications:
>> > 1. Sometimes Email's connection frequency setting does not appear to be
>> > observed - email isnt checked every 30 minutes as I had configured, and
>> > Exchange email isnt "pushed" to me
>> > 2. Clock: configurable snooze time?

Re: [SailfishDevel] A new Jolla phone user - after 2 days of use

[Kari Pihkala]

> > 2. There should be a way to go straight from Lock Screen to Launcher
> > (instead of needing to go through Home)
>
> i don't agree, for multi-processing this is better, plus there's a pulley
> menu on lock for the relevant apps... i suppose this is configurable

I also have difficulties with the Home screen and I would rather use the
Launcher screen to switch between apps. I think the reason is that

in Home screen:

 * Covers move around so I have to go through them one by one to find the
app I need. Only if I continuously swap between two apps, I might trust
that the app is the first or second one in the grid.
 * Cover texts/images change, so I have to read/decypher images to
understand which app they relate to. This is slow.

in Launcher screen:

 * App icons don't move around. I can rely on my spatial memory and find
the app always at the same spot. Often, I have already moved my finger over
the app before the screen has stopped scrolling.
 * App icons don't change. Recognizing a familiar icon is faster than
reading/decyphering images.

Perhaps the number of covers displayed on Home could be customizable? I
would limit it to three small ones (or remove all). The app icons could
move up to occupy the free space.

Also pinning the covers would help (I would pin most of them).

I never close apps, so I have all the time nine small covers on the Home
screen. Am I doing it wrong?

Cheers,
Kari



2013/12/14 AL13N 

> > Hi,
> >
> > Moving from N9/Meego two days ago, I find Jolla/Sailfish very easy to
> use,
> > and have some feedback (wishlist?). I hope this is the right place for
> > this feedback, otherwise please point me to the correct place.
>
> i'm not a jolla dev, nor do i have a jolla, but i'll reply and give my
> thoughts...
>
> > Current version: 1.0.1.10 (notification for version upgrade came almost
> > immediate I got online)
> >
> > Sailfish/Platform specific:
> > 1. From Lock Screen, swiping-up should bring me to Home screen, but it
> > often brings up the Events screen even if there is no
> > notifications/events. A friend's N9 community edition Sailfish allows
> > swiping from the left/right side on Lock screen - the same doesn’t work
> on
> > my Jolla.
>
> if you swipe up from the bottom, it brings event screen, if you swipe up
> from the middle, it brings home screen. takes some getting used to...
>
> maybe swiping left/right doens't work if you don't have a TOH?
>
> > 2. There should be a way to go straight from Lock Screen to Launcher
> > (instead of needing to go through Home)
>
> i don't agree, for multi-processing this is better, plus there's a pulley
> menu on lock for the relevant apps... i suppose this is configurable
>
> > 3. Easier (less taps) accessible configuration (eg WLAN, Bluetooth) from
> > any screen (not just "Settings")
>
> wasn't there some kind of cover where you could do this? there's been a
> request for pinning covers, i would like this in combination...
>
> > 4. Need easier way view the current connection (All the connection
> related
> > icons on Lock Screen are hard to decode at least initially - in
> particular
> > for the Mobile Network Data icon, but WLAN icon also hard to decode)
> > 5. More configurable settings (colour selection for text/notification
> > icons/etc, background picture, additional items to be displayed on Lock
> > screen)
>
> this is done via ambience iinm, but i agree that this Abience should
> really be allowed to be tuned/configured a bit...
>
> > 6. Icon's Text on Launcher screen feels a bit hard to read (doesn’t look
> > very solid)
>
> Ambience?
>
> > 7. Add ability to have different colours to different inbuilt apps (eg.
> > Phone, messaging/SMS, etc) - they currently all look very similar on the
> > Home screen and colour differentiation would help usability greatly.
>
> i think this would have issues with different Ambiences
>
> > 8. Auto-correct while typing (maybe as a configurable option)
> > 9. Please bring Swype to Sailfish!
> > 10. Chinese writing input (find the button = with extra -, that should
> allow configuration) i heard this on #jollamobile at freenode IRC
>
>
>
> >
> > Jolla Applications:
> > 1. Sometimes Email's connection frequency setting does not appear to be
> > observed - email isnt checked every 30 minutes as I had configured, and
> > Exchange email isnt "pushed" to me
> > 2. Clock: configurable snooze time? ;-)
> >
> > Android Support:
> > 1. Whatsapp address book does not work - currently all my Whatsapp
> > Contacts are empty. Understand this is due to Whatsapp on Android cannot
> > reach Jolla's phone book - can this be fixed?
> > 2. Would be great if Android apps can appear as individual/independent
> > apps instead of a single "Virtual Machine" which all Android apps live
> > inside.
> >
> > Jolla Store:
> > 1. Jolla App store feels a bit confusing - dont really know what apps are
> > there as the only clear "catalog" available is the list of apps built by
> > Jolla - all other Apps are scattered
> >
>

Re: [SailfishDevel] A new Jolla phone user - after 2 days of use

[AL13N]

> Hi,
>
> Moving from N9/Meego two days ago, I find Jolla/Sailfish very easy to use,
> and have some feedback (wishlist?). I hope this is the right place for
> this feedback, otherwise please point me to the correct place.

i'm not a jolla dev, nor do i have a jolla, but i'll reply and give my
thoughts...

> Current version: 1.0.1.10 (notification for version upgrade came almost
> immediate I got online)
>
> Sailfish/Platform specific:
> 1. From Lock Screen, swiping-up should bring me to Home screen, but it
> often brings up the Events screen even if there is no
> notifications/events. A friend's N9 community edition Sailfish allows
> swiping from the left/right side on Lock screen - the same doesn’t work on
> my Jolla.

if you swipe up from the bottom, it brings event screen, if you swipe up
from the middle, it brings home screen. takes some getting used to...

maybe swiping left/right doens't work if you don't have a TOH?

> 2. There should be a way to go straight from Lock Screen to Launcher
> (instead of needing to go through Home)

i don't agree, for multi-processing this is better, plus there's a pulley
menu on lock for the relevant apps... i suppose this is configurable

> 3. Easier (less taps) accessible configuration (eg WLAN, Bluetooth) from
> any screen (not just "Settings")

wasn't there some kind of cover where you could do this? there's been a
request for pinning covers, i would like this in combination...

> 4. Need easier way view the current connection (All the connection related
> icons on Lock Screen are hard to decode at least initially - in particular
> for the Mobile Network Data icon, but WLAN icon also hard to decode)
> 5. More configurable settings (colour selection for text/notification
> icons/etc, background picture, additional items to be displayed on Lock
> screen)

this is done via ambience iinm, but i agree that this Abience should
really be allowed to be tuned/configured a bit...

> 6. Icon's Text on Launcher screen feels a bit hard to read (doesn’t look
> very solid)

Ambience?

> 7. Add ability to have different colours to different inbuilt apps (eg.
> Phone, messaging/SMS, etc) - they currently all look very similar on the
> Home screen and colour differentiation would help usability greatly.

i think this would have issues with different Ambiences

> 8. Auto-correct while typing (maybe as a configurable option)
> 9. Please bring Swype to Sailfish!
> 10. Chinese writing input (find the button = with extra -, that should
allow configuration) i heard this on #jollamobile at freenode IRC



>
> Jolla Applications:
> 1. Sometimes Email's connection frequency setting does not appear to be
> observed - email isnt checked every 30 minutes as I had configured, and
> Exchange email isnt "pushed" to me
> 2. Clock: configurable snooze time? ;-)
>
> Android Support:
> 1. Whatsapp address book does not work - currently all my Whatsapp
> Contacts are empty. Understand this is due to Whatsapp on Android cannot
> reach Jolla's phone book - can this be fixed?
> 2. Would be great if Android apps can appear as individual/independent
> apps instead of a single "Virtual Machine" which all Android apps live
> inside.
>
> Jolla Store:
> 1. Jolla App store feels a bit confusing - dont really know what apps are
> there as the only clear "catalog" available is the list of apps built by
> Jolla - all other Apps are scattered
>
> Apps that I look forward to:
> 1. Public Transport (eg. Meego's "My Routes", Nokia Public Transport)
> 2. Turn-by-turn navigation with pre-loadable maps (Nokia Drive)
> 3. WiFi sharing
> 4. Camera flash as torch
> 5. Net Radio

Some of us on the community are trying to gather thoughts on
http://elinux.org/Jolla .

> Generic:
> 1. There will be more users wanting to provide feedback - there will need
> to be an easier way to submit feedback (even from inside the phone - maybe
> an App?) which is publicly viewable so others would know it has been
> submitted (and can vote on it).

afaik apps can be reviewed even on the phone...

> 2. The phone did "crash" once (it slowed so much I had to force it to turn
> off to restart) - maybe a good thing to have is inbuilt debugging
> functionality.
>
>
> Looking forward to the version upgrades :)
>
>
> Henry
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Re: [SailfishDevel] A new Jolla phone user - after 2 days of use

[Janne Kokko]

> Sailfish/Platform specific:
> 1. From Lock Screen, swiping-up should bring me to Home screen, but it often 
> brings up the Events screen even if there is no notifications/events.

Events screen appears only if you start the gesture from below the
screen. If you want Home screen, start inside the screen area.

> Jolla Store:
> 1. Jolla App store feels a bit confusing - dont really know what apps are 
> there as the only clear "catalog" available is the list of apps built by 
> Jolla - all other Apps are scattered

If you swipe left you get the Categories view that contains all the
apps listed in specific categories. It took me also some time before I
noticed it :)

--
Janne
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Re: [SailfishDevel] A new Jolla phone user - after 2 days of use

[wsvries]

Bernd Wachter schreef op 2013-12-13 16:14:

Henry Kwong  writes:

...
Android Support:
1. Whatsapp address book does not work - currently all my Whatsapp
Contacts are empty. Understand this is due to Whatsapp on Android
cannot reach Jolla's phone book - can this be fixed?


Maybe not for whatsapp, but for other apps this is really good! I hate 
those Android apps that need access to my personal data.

Now I can fake them!

r
wim
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Re: [SailfishDevel] A new Jolla phone user - after 2 days of use

[Bernd Wachter]

Henry Kwong  writes:

> Hi,
>
> Moving from N9/Meego two days ago, I find Jolla/Sailfish very easy to
> use, and have some feedback (wishlist?). I hope this is the right
> place for this feedback, otherwise please point me to the correct
> place.

Right now it's probably one of the better places to leave feedback :)

It'll reach the appropriate people, I'll comment on a few items.

> Android Support:
> 1. Whatsapp address book does not work - currently all my Whatsapp
> Contacts are empty. Understand this is due to Whatsapp on Android
> cannot reach Jolla's phone book - can this be fixed?

This is a known issue, and on our TODO list. Once we push that update
you'll be able to _read_ your Sailfish contacts from Android
applications, though write support will be disabled for security reasons
for now.

> 2. Would be great if Android apps can appear as individual/independent
> apps instead of a single "Virtual Machine" which all Android apps live
> inside.

We've been thinking about that for a while, but it's not trivial -- it's
an Android architectural issue we either need to live with, or find a
hack around.

> Generic:
> 1. There will be more users wanting to provide feedback - there will
> need to be an easier way to submit feedback (even from inside the
> phone - maybe an App?) which is publicly viewable so others would know
> it has been submitted (and can vote on it).

We're working on that.

Bernd

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