Re: 2D Acceleration not used using ATI Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x
I have tried this too with no apparent change. I have installed (clean install, no upgrade) Fedora and I still get the very same behaviour. Is there a reference Linux distribution that you guys use when developing or do you all use a custom compiled kernel? If the latter, what should I try to actually verify that the hardware I have is not supported by the ATI driver? Should I open a bug in bugzilla? Thanks, Salvio Dr Andrew C Aitchison wrote: On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, Salvio wrote: On Sun, 16 Nov 2003, Salvio wrote: I have attached the latest config file and log. What happens if you disable 3D acceleration by commenting out Load "DRI" in the "Module" section ? Section "Module" Load "dbe" Load "extmod" Load "fbdevhw" Load "glx" Load "record" Load "freetype" Load "type1" #Load "dri" EndSection 3D acceleration on the Mach64 isn't standard: I'm not sure that anyone has tested that 2D and 3D accleration work well together. ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: 2D Acceleration not used using ATI Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x
Short answer: same thing, still superslow. Long answer: That is indeed what I tried... after re-reading my initial post I realised I didn't specify which X terminal was I using. The numbers are pretty much the same regardless of the terminal I use although the system seems slightly more responsive when I use xterm (but that can just be because it opens in a smaller window...). Let me reiterate that what I see in top is the cpu utilization when the system is not too loaded and the page is actually redrawn. The main actor is X anyway... I have tried having no background (I am using all default values, no custom fancy backgrounds just the one that comes with the standard Red Hat 9 installation): same result. If I open mozilla and drag windows over it then things get horribly slow. From now on I will always use 2 xterm sessions and an empty background. Could it be the window manager (what am I talking about? I'm confused by my own words...) to slow down things? If I install Fedora would that be the same you think? I want to install Fedora at some point to test and see if I can upgrade from Red Hat 9 to Fedora without problems (I have another system which I _must_ keep in working order and want to test the procedure before making at risk this one). Thanks, Salvio Marc Aurele La France wrote: On Sun, 16 Nov 2003, Salvio wrote: I have attached the latest config file and log. I was incorrect in stating #1: I was testing the system disabling acceleration (option "accel" "no") to see if I could notice any difference. The attached log is the one corresponding to the attached config. The video redraw speed is still very slow. I can tell no difference when starting the system using "accel" "no" or commenting that out... Also, as I said in my initial posting, I notice a very similar behaviour on another Laptop of mine (Dell Inspiron 5100, ATI Radeon 7500) with the same OS installed (dual boot this time, I can do things using windows too if that helps...) - still I see high CPU activity with similar patter as it happens on the Latitude. Can this be a Red Hat 9 problem? Could this be a problem in Gnome? I have found several posts similar to mine searching the internet (from the far past to present days) and none of them has been actually answered. Let me know if there are other things I can try. You mention gnome-terminal. From there, start two xterms, i.e. xterm & xterm & (That's "xterm", not "gnome-terminal".) In one of them run top. Move the other xterm around, watching what top reports. Does CPU utilisation max out when only moving an xterm? Marc. +--+---+ | Marc Aurele La France | work: 1-780-492-9310 | | Computing and Network Services | fax:1-780-492-1729 | | 352 General Services Building | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | University of Alberta +---+ | Edmonton, Alberta | | | T6G 2H1 | Standard disclaimers apply| | CANADA | | +--+---+ XFree86 Core Team member. ATI driver and X server internals. ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: 2D Acceleration not used using ATI Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003, Salvio wrote: > I have attached the latest config file and log. > I was incorrect in stating #1: I was testing the system disabling > acceleration (option "accel" "no") to see if I could notice any > difference. > The attached log is the one corresponding to the attached config. > The video redraw speed is still very slow. > I can tell no difference when starting the system using "accel" "no" > or commenting that out... > Also, as I said in my initial posting, I notice a very similar behaviour > on another Laptop of mine (Dell Inspiron 5100, ATI Radeon 7500) > with the same OS installed (dual boot this time, I can do things using > windows too if that helps...) - still I see high CPU activity with similar > patter as it happens on the Latitude. > Can this be a Red Hat 9 problem? Could this be a problem in Gnome? > I have found several posts similar to mine searching the internet (from > the far past to present days) and none of them has been actually > answered. > Let me know if there are other things I can try. You mention gnome-terminal. From there, start two xterms, i.e. xterm & xterm & (That's "xterm", not "gnome-terminal".) In one of them run top. Move the other xterm around, watching what top reports. Does CPU utilisation max out when only moving an xterm? Marc. +--+---+ | Marc Aurele La France | work: 1-780-492-9310 | | Computing and Network Services | fax:1-780-492-1729 | | 352 General Services Building | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | University of Alberta +---+ | Edmonton, Alberta | | | T6G 2H1 | Standard disclaimers apply| | CANADA | | +--+---+ XFree86 Core Team member. ATI driver and X server internals. ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: 2D Acceleration not used using ATI Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x
do you have any thoughs? Marc Aurele La France wrote: On Sun, 16 Nov 2003, Salvio wrote: I have attached the latest config file and log. I see no attachments here. Marc. +--+---+ | Marc Aurele La France | work: 1-780-492-9310 | | Computing and Network Services | fax:1-780-492-1729 | | 352 General Services Building | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | University of Alberta +---+ | Edmonton, Alberta | | | T6G 2H1 | Standard disclaimers apply| | CANADA | | +--+---+ XFree86 Core Team member. ATI driver and X server internals. ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: 2D Acceleration not used using ATI Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, Salvio wrote: > >On Sun, 16 Nov 2003, Salvio wrote: > > > >>I have attached the latest config file and log. What happens if you disable 3D acceleration by commenting out Load "DRI" in the "Module" section ? Section "Module" Load "dbe" Load "extmod" Load "fbdevhw" Load "glx" Load "record" Load "freetype" Load "type1" #Load "dri" EndSection 3D acceleration on the Mach64 isn't standard: I'm not sure that anyone has tested that 2D and 3D accleration work well together. -- Dr. Andrew C. Aitchison Computer Officer, DPMMS, Cambridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~werdna ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: 2D Acceleration not used using ATI Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x
ouch! Marc Aurele La France wrote: On Sun, 16 Nov 2003, Salvio wrote: I have attached the latest config file and log. I see no attachments here. Marc. +--+---+ | Marc Aurele La France | work: 1-780-492-9310 | | Computing and Network Services | fax:1-780-492-1729 | | 352 General Services Building | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | University of Alberta +---+ | Edmonton, Alberta | | | T6G 2H1 | Standard disclaimers apply| | CANADA | | +--+---+ XFree86 Core Team member. ATI driver and X server internals. ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel XFree86 Version 4.3.0 (Red Hat Linux release: 4.3.0-2) Release Date: 27 February 2003 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.6 Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.20-3bigmem i686 [ELF] Build Date: 27 February 2003 Build Host: porky.devel.redhat.com Before reporting problems, check http://www.XFree86.Org/ to make sure that you have the latest version. Module Loader present OS Kernel: Linux version 2.4.20-20.9 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 3.2.2 20030222 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.2-5)) #1 Mon Aug 18 11:45:58 EDT 2003 Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: "/var/log/XFree86.0.log", Time: Sun Nov 16 19:13:13 2003 (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config" (==) ServerLayout "Default Layout" (**) |-->Screen "Screen0" (0) (**) | |-->Monitor "Monitor0" (**) | |-->Device "Videocard0" (**) |-->Input Device "Mouse0" (**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard0" (**) Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" (**) XKB: rules: "xfree86" (**) Option "XkbModel" "pc105" (**) XKB: model: "pc105" (**) Option "XkbLayout" "gb" (**) XKB: layout: "gb" (==) Keyboard: CustomKeycode disabled (**) FontPath set to "unix/:7100" (**) RgbPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules" (++) using VT number 7 (II) Open APM successful (II) Module ABI versions: XFree86 ANSI C Emulation: 0.2 XFree86 Video Driver: 0.6 XFree86 XInput driver : 0.4 XFree86 Server Extension : 0.2 XFree86 Font Renderer : 0.4 (II) Loader running on linux (II) LoadModule: "bitmap" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libbitmap.a (II) Module bitmap: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 Font Renderer ABI class: XFree86 Font Renderer, version 0.4 (II) Loading font Bitmap (II) LoadModule: "pcidata" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libpcidata.a (II) Module pcidata: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.6 (II) PCI: Probing config type using method 1 (II) PCI: Config type is 1 (II) PCI: stages = 0x03, oldVal1 = 0x80020028, mode1Res1 = 0x8000 (II) PCI: PCI scan (all values are in hex) (II) PCI: 00:00:0: chip 8086,7190 card , rev 03 class 06,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:01:0: chip 8086,7191 card , rev 03 class 06,04,00 hdr 01 (II) PCI: 00:03:0: chip 104c,ac1c card 4000, rev 01 class 06,07,00 hdr 82 (II) PCI: 00:03:1: chip 104c,ac1c card 4800, rev 01 class 06,07,00 hdr 82 (II) PCI: 00:07:0: chip 8086,7110 card , rev 02 class 06,80,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:07:1: chip 8086,7111 card , rev 01 class 01,01,80 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:07:2: chip 8086,7112 card , rev 01 class 0c,03,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:07:3: chip 8086,7113 card , rev 03 class 06,80,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:08:0: chip 125d,1998 card 1028,00bb rev 10 class 04,01,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 01:00:0: chip 1002,4c4d card 1028,00bb rev 64 class 03,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 02:00:0: chip 115d,0003 card 115d,1181 rev 03 class 02,00,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 02:00:1: chip 115d,0103 card 115d,1181 rev 03 class 07,00,02 hdr 80 (II) PCI: End of PCI scan (II) Host-to-PCI bridge: (II) Bus 0: bridge is at (0:0:0), (0,0,6), BCTRL: 0x0008 (VGA_EN is set) (II) Bus 0 I/O range: [0] -1 0 0x - 0x (0x1) IX[B] (II) Bus 0 non-prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0 0x - 0x (0x0) MX[B] (II) Bus 0 prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0 0x - 0x (0x0) MX[B] (II) PCI-to-PCI bridge: (II) Bus 1: bridge is at (0:1:0), (0,1,1), BCTRL: 0x008c (VGA_EN is set) (II) Bus 1 I/O range: [0] -1 0 0xe000 - 0xe0ff (0x100) IX[B] [1] -1 0 0xe400 - 0xe4ff (0x100) IX[
Re: 2D Acceleration not used using ATI Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003, Salvio wrote: > I have attached the latest config file and log. I see no attachments here. Marc. +--+---+ | Marc Aurele La France | work: 1-780-492-9310 | | Computing and Network Services | fax:1-780-492-1729 | | 352 General Services Building | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | University of Alberta +---+ | Edmonton, Alberta | | | T6G 2H1 | Standard disclaimers apply| | CANADA | | +--+---+ XFree86 Core Team member. ATI driver and X server internals. ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: 2D Acceleration not used using ATI Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x
Hi Marc, thanks for your help. I have attached the latest config file and log. I was incorrect in stating #1: I was testing the system disabling acceleration (option "accel" "no") to see if I could notice any difference. The attached log is the one corresponding to the attached config. The video redraw speed is still very slow. I can tell no difference when starting the system using "accel" "no" or commenting that out... Also, as I said in my initial posting, I notice a very similar behaviour on another Laptop of mine (Dell Inspiron 5100, ATI Radeon 7500) with the same OS installed (dual boot this time, I can do things using windows too if that helps...) - still I see high CPU activity with similar patter as it happens on the Latitude. Can this be a Red Hat 9 problem? Could this be a problem in Gnome? I have found several posts similar to mine searching the internet (from the far past to present days) and none of them has been actually answered. Let me know if there are other things I can try. Thanks, Salvio ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: 2D Acceleration not used using ATI Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, Salvio wrote: > Things I noticed: > 1 - in XFree86.0.log the: > (WW) ATI(0): Cannot shadow an accelerated frame buffer. > has been replaced by > (II) ATI(0): Using shadow frame buffer. This would indicate that acceleration has been somehow turned off. Enabling backing store should not have this effect. Also, the log mentions the exact name of the XF86Config the server is using. Please ensure you are modifying the right one. If the problem persists, please post this XF86Config. Marc. +--+---+ | Marc Aurele La France | work: 1-780-492-9310 | | Computing and Network Services | fax:1-780-492-1729 | | 352 General Services Building | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | University of Alberta +---+ | Edmonton, Alberta | | | T6G 2H1 | Standard disclaimers apply| | CANADA | | +--+---+ XFree86 Core Team member. ATI driver and X server internals. ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: 2D Acceleration not used using ATI Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x
Actually the window in which I run top only refreshes when the CPU is not maxed out. I'm trying to find a way of logging to a file the CPU activity but it all seems to me that the X process if eating all the CPU cycles. Salvio wrote: before changing anything, when moving windows, top shows: 70-75% to X about 10% to metacity about 10% to gnome-terminal when idle, top shows: <2% to X <2% to gnome-terminal <1% to other applications after changing: <> top shows: about 50-60% to X about 10% to metacity about 10% to gnome-terminal (a little better, thanks, although I can still see the screen redrawing) Does this tell you anything? Can this be made batter? This is still quite slower that it used to be in ms widows. Things I noticed: 1 - in XFree86.0.log the: (WW) ATI(0): Cannot shadow an accelerated frame buffer. has been replaced by (II) ATI(0): Using shadow frame buffer. 2 - (WW) ATI(0): Extraneous XF86Config VertRefresh specification(s) ignored. is still there 3 - instead of (==) ATI(0): Backing store disabled I get (==) ATI(0): Backing store enabled Thanks a lot, Salvio Marc Aurele La France wrote: On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Salvio wrote: If `top` shows that the server is not entirely to blame for the CPU load, see if turning on backing store has any effect. CPU is idle - CPU is maxed out when moving windows swap memory is not used less than 50% of available phisical memory is used (both when moving and when not moving windows) You've said that already. But which process(es) is(are) eating CPU? The xterm, the Xserver, or some combination of both? Is this a 3D app? No. This happens with all X applcations. I'm testing using two XTerm windows and an empty desktop. OK. what is the meaning of this? <> Replace your XF86Config's videoRam line with Option "BackingStore" "On". Marc. +--+---+ | Marc Aurele La France | work: 1-780-492-9310 | | Computing and Network Services | fax:1-780-492-1729 | | 352 General Services Building | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | University of Alberta +---+ | Edmonton, Alberta | | | T6G 2H1 | Standard disclaimers apply| | CANADA | | +--+---+ XFree86 Core Team member. ATI driver and X server internals. ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: 2D Acceleration not used using ATI Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x
before changing anything, when moving windows, top shows: 70-75% to X about 10% to metacity about 10% to gnome-terminal when idle, top shows: <2% to X <2% to gnome-terminal <1% to other applications after changing: <> top shows: about 50-60% to X about 10% to metacity about 10% to gnome-terminal (a little better, thanks, although I can still see the screen redrawing) Does this tell you anything? Can this be made batter? This is still quite slower that it used to be in ms widows. Things I noticed: 1 - in XFree86.0.log the: (WW) ATI(0): Cannot shadow an accelerated frame buffer. has been replaced by (II) ATI(0): Using shadow frame buffer. 2 - (WW) ATI(0): Extraneous XF86Config VertRefresh specification(s) ignored. is still there 3 - instead of (==) ATI(0): Backing store disabled I get (==) ATI(0): Backing store enabled Thanks a lot, Salvio Marc Aurele La France wrote: On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Salvio wrote: If `top` shows that the server is not entirely to blame for the CPU load, see if turning on backing store has any effect. CPU is idle - CPU is maxed out when moving windows swap memory is not used less than 50% of available phisical memory is used (both when moving and when not moving windows) You've said that already. But which process(es) is(are) eating CPU? The xterm, the Xserver, or some combination of both? Is this a 3D app? No. This happens with all X applcations. I'm testing using two XTerm windows and an empty desktop. OK. what is the meaning of this? <> Replace your XF86Config's videoRam line with Option "BackingStore" "On". Marc. +--+---+ | Marc Aurele La France | work: 1-780-492-9310 | | Computing and Network Services | fax:1-780-492-1729 | | 352 General Services Building | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | University of Alberta +---+ | Edmonton, Alberta | | | T6G 2H1 | Standard disclaimers apply| | CANADA | | +--+---+ XFree86 Core Team member. ATI driver and X server internals. ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: 2D Acceleration not used using ATI Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x
OK - thanks I'll have to try that on Friday (I won't be home before...) and will post the results. - Salvio Marc Aurele La France wrote: On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Salvio wrote: If `top` shows that the server is not entirely to blame for the CPU load, see if turning on backing store has any effect. CPU is idle - CPU is maxed out when moving windows swap memory is not used less than 50% of available phisical memory is used (both when moving and when not moving windows) You've said that already. But which process(es) is(are) eating CPU? The xterm, the Xserver, or some combination of both? Is this a 3D app? No. This happens with all X applcations. I'm testing using two XTerm windows and an empty desktop. OK. what is the meaning of this? <> Replace your XF86Config's videoRam line with Option "BackingStore" "On". Marc. +--+---+ | Marc Aurele La France | work: 1-780-492-9310 | | Computing and Network Services | fax:1-780-492-1729 | | 352 General Services Building | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | University of Alberta +---+ | Edmonton, Alberta | | | T6G 2H1 | Standard disclaimers apply| | CANADA | | +--+---+ XFree86 Core Team member. ATI driver and X server internals. ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: 2D Acceleration not used using ATI Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Salvio wrote: > >>If `top` shows that the server is not entirely to blame for the CPU load, > >>see if turning on backing store has any effect. > CPU is idle - CPU is maxed out when moving windows > swap memory is not used > less than 50% of available phisical memory is used > (both when moving and when not moving windows) You've said that already. But which process(es) is(are) eating CPU? The xterm, the Xserver, or some combination of both? > >>Is this a 3D app? > No. > This happens with all X applcations. > I'm testing using two XTerm windows and an empty desktop. OK. > what is the meaning of this? > <> Replace your XF86Config's videoRam line with Option "BackingStore" "On". Marc. +--+---+ | Marc Aurele La France | work: 1-780-492-9310 | | Computing and Network Services | fax:1-780-492-1729 | | 352 General Services Building | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | University of Alberta +---+ | Edmonton, Alberta | | | T6G 2H1 | Standard disclaimers apply| | CANADA | | +--+---+ XFree86 Core Team member. ATI driver and X server internals. ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: 2D Acceleration not used using ATI Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x
Marc, If `top` shows that the server is not entirely to blame for the CPU load, see if turning on backing store has any effect. CPU is idle - CPU is maxed out when moving windows swap memory is not used less than 50% of available phisical memory is used (both when moving and when not moving windows) Is this a 3D app? No. This happens with all X applcations. I'm testing using two XTerm windows and an empty desktop. what is the meaning of this? <> What else do you need to know? Salvio Marc Aurele La France wrote: On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Salvio wrote: Everything starts fine with no errors (as you can see from the logs). The problem I have is that I don't think I have 2D acceleration. The simple test I do is to just drag a window on the screen... the redraw is extremely slow and the CPU is maxed out (only when I move the windows) This means (I guess) that I do not have 2D acceleration. Not necessarily. Use `top` is figure out which process is "eating up" CPU time. Replying to my own post, with a few more things to look into... If `top` shows that the server is not entirely to blame for the CPU load, see if turning on backing store has any effect. Is this a 3D app? If so, you're limited to software rendering (for now). BTW, your VideoRAM specification is irrelevent. The driver ignores it. As I said, the CPU is normally idle. When I quickly drag windows on the screen using my mouse, the CPU gets maxed out. I cannot believe that the redraw speed is that slow regardless of themes and such: I can see the windows being actually redrawn on screen when I drag them around the screen. FYI: I'm using Red Hat 9 which ships with Gnome. This problem happens using Gnome and it is a general problem across all X applications. If you want help, stop wasting my time, and answer my questions. Marc. +--+---+ | Marc Aurele La France | work: 1-780-492-9310 | | Computing and Network Services | fax:1-780-492-1729 | | 352 General Services Building | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | University of Alberta +---+ | Edmonton, Alberta | | | T6G 2H1 | Standard disclaimers apply| | CANADA | | +--+---+ XFree86 Core Team member. ATI driver and X server internals. ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: 2D Acceleration not used using ATI Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Salvio wrote: > >>>Everything starts fine with no errors (as you can see from the logs). > >>>The problem I have is that I don't think I have 2D acceleration. > >>>The simple test I do is to just drag a window on the screen... the > >>>redraw is extremely slow and the CPU is maxed out (only when I move > >>>the windows) > >>>This means (I guess) that I do not have 2D acceleration. > >>Not necessarily. Use `top` is figure out which process is "eating up" CPU > >>time. > >Replying to my own post, with a few more things to look into... > >If `top` shows that the server is not entirely to blame for the CPU load, > >see if turning on backing store has any effect. > >Is this a 3D app? If so, you're limited to software rendering (for now). > >BTW, your VideoRAM specification is irrelevent. The driver ignores it. > As I said, the CPU is normally idle. When I quickly drag windows on the > screen using my mouse, the CPU gets maxed out. > I cannot believe that the redraw speed is that slow regardless of themes > and such: I can see the windows being actually redrawn on screen when > I drag them around the screen. > FYI: I'm using Red Hat 9 which ships with Gnome. This problem happens > using Gnome and it is a general problem across all X applications. If you want help, stop wasting my time, and answer my questions. Marc. +--+---+ | Marc Aurele La France | work: 1-780-492-9310 | | Computing and Network Services | fax:1-780-492-1729 | | 352 General Services Building | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | University of Alberta +---+ | Edmonton, Alberta | | | T6G 2H1 | Standard disclaimers apply| | CANADA | | +--+---+ XFree86 Core Team member. ATI driver and X server internals. ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: 2D Acceleration not used using ATI Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x
As I said, the CPU is normally idle. When I quickly drag windows on the screen using my mouse, the CPU gets maxed out. I cannot believe that the redraw speed is that slow regardless of themes and such: I can see the windows being actually redrawn on screen when I drag them around the screen. FYI: I'm using Red Hat 9 which ships with Gnome. This problem happens using Gnome and it is a general problem across all X applications. Salvio Marc Aurele La France wrote: On Sat, 8 Nov 2003, Marc Aurele La France wrote: On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Salvio Sergi wrote: Everything starts fine with no errors (as you can see from the logs). The problem I have is that I don't think I have 2D acceleration. The simple test I do is to just drag a window on the screen... the redraw is extremely slow and the CPU is maxed out (only when I move the windows) This means (I guess) that I do not have 2D acceleration. Not necessarily. Use `top` is figure out which process is "eating up" CPU time. Replying to my own post, with a few more things to look into... If `top` shows that the server is not entirely to blame for the CPU load, see if turning on backing store has any effect. Is this a 3D app? If so, you're limited to software rendering (for now). BTW, your VideoRAM specification is irrelevent. The driver ignores it. Marc. +--+---+ | Marc Aurele La France | work: 1-780-492-9310 | | Computing and Network Services | fax:1-780-492-1729 | | 352 General Services Building | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | University of Alberta +---+ | Edmonton, Alberta | | | T6G 2H1 | Standard disclaimers apply| | CANADA | | +--+---+ XFree86 Core Team member. ATI driver and X server internals. ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: 2D Acceleration not used using ATI Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x
On Sat, 8 Nov 2003, Marc Aurele La France wrote: > On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Salvio Sergi wrote: > > Everything starts fine with no errors (as you can see from the logs). > > The problem I have is that I don't think I have 2D acceleration. > > The simple test I do is to just drag a window on the screen... the > > redraw is extremely slow and the CPU is maxed out (only when I move > > the windows) > > This means (I guess) that I do not have 2D acceleration. > Not necessarily. Use `top` is figure out which process is "eating up" CPU > time. Replying to my own post, with a few more things to look into... If `top` shows that the server is not entirely to blame for the CPU load, see if turning on backing store has any effect. Is this a 3D app? If so, you're limited to software rendering (for now). BTW, your VideoRAM specification is irrelevent. The driver ignores it. Marc. +--+---+ | Marc Aurele La France | work: 1-780-492-9310 | | Computing and Network Services | fax:1-780-492-1729 | | 352 General Services Building | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | University of Alberta +---+ | Edmonton, Alberta | | | T6G 2H1 | Standard disclaimers apply| | CANADA | | +--+---+ XFree86 Core Team member. ATI driver and X server internals. ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: 2D Acceleration not used using ATI Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Salvio Sergi wrote: > Everything starts fine with no errors (as you can see from the logs). > The problem I have is that I don't think I have 2D acceleration. > The simple test I do is to just drag a window on the screen... the > redraw is extremely slow and the CPU is maxed out (only when I move > the windows) > This means (I guess) that I do not have 2D acceleration. Not necessarily. Use `top` is figure out which process is "eating up" CPU time. Marc. +--+---+ | Marc Aurele La France | work: 1-780-492-9310 | | Computing and Network Services | fax:1-780-492-1729 | | 352 General Services Building | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | University of Alberta +---+ | Edmonton, Alberta | | | T6G 2H1 | Standard disclaimers apply| | CANADA | | +--+---+ XFree86 Core Team member. ATI driver and X server internals. ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: 2D Acceleration not used using ATI Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x
try removing the videoram line from your config. the driver will detect videoram fine. Alex --- Salvio Sergi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I posted this on dri-users and have been suggested to post here... > > Everything starts fine with no errors (as you can see from the logs). > > The problem I have is that I don't think I have 2D acceleration. > > The simple test I do is to just drag a window on the screen... the > redraw is extremely slow and the CPU is maxed out (only when I move > the windows) > > This means (I guess) that I do not have 2D acceleration. You can > actually see the redraw happening... really slow. > > To add to that, at the time I had windows 2000 server installed on > that machine (Laptop Dell Latitude CPxj, now a Linux only system) > the windows could be moved around really fast so it can't be a > limitation of the hardware. > > CPU is a pentium 3 some 600Mhz - 512 MB memory - less than 200MB > used by the system, no swap space used. > > I have also tried other colour depths as well as different screen > resolutions (I think I tried all possible permutations): always > with the same results. > > I finally tried "Accel" "on" and "off" with no apparent consequence > (same speed) > > > Thanks, > Salvio > > # XFree86 4 configuration created by redhat-config-xfree86 > > Section "ServerLayout" > Identifier "Default Layout" > Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 > InputDevice"Mouse0" "CorePointer" > InputDevice"Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" > EndSection > > Section "Files" > > # RgbPath is the location of the RGB database. Note, this is the > name of the > # file minus the extension (like ".txt" or ".db"). There is normally > # no need to change the default. > # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (they are concatenated > together) > # By default, Red Hat 6.0 and later now use a font server independent > of > # the X server to render fonts. > RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" > FontPath "unix/:7100" > EndSection > > Section "Module" > Load "dbe" > Load "extmod" > Load "fbdevhw" > Load "glx" > Load "record" > Load "freetype" > Load "type1" > Load "dri" > EndSection > > Section "InputDevice" > > # Specify which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with > xset(1)) > # Option "Xleds" "1 2 3" > # To disable the XKEYBOARD extension, uncomment XkbDisable. > # Option "XkbDisable" > # To customise the XKB settings to suit your keyboard, modify the > # lines below (which are the defaults). For example, for a non-U.S. > # keyboard, you will probably want to use: > # Option "XkbModel" "pc102" > # If you have a US Microsoft Natural keyboard, you can use: > # Option "XkbModel" "microsoft" > # > # Then to change the language, change the Layout setting. > # For example, a german layout can be obtained with: > # Option "XkbLayout" "de" > # or: > # Option "XkbLayout" "de" > # Option "XkbVariant""nodeadkeys" > # > # If you'd like to switch the positions of your capslock and > # control keys, use: > # Option "XkbOptions""ctrl:swapcaps" > # Or if you just want both to be control, use: > # Option "XkbOptions""ctrl:nocaps" > # > Identifier "Keyboard0" > Driver "keyboard" > Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" > Option "XkbModel" "pc105" > Option "XkbLayout" "gb" > EndSection > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Mouse0" > Driver "mouse" > Option "Protocol" "PS/2" > Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no" > EndSection > > Section "InputDevice" > > # If the normal CorePointer mouse is not a USB mouse then > # this input device can be used in AlwaysCore mode to let you > # also use USB mice at the same time. > Identifier "DevInputMice" > Driver "mouse" > Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" > Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no" > EndSection > > Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Monitor0" > VendorName "Monitor Vendor" > ModelName"Unknown monitor" > HorizSync31.5 - 37.9 > VertRefresh 50.0 - 70.0 > Option "dpms" > EndSection > > Section "Device" > Identifier "Videocard0" > Driver "ati" > VendorName "Videocard vendor" > BoardName "ATI Rage Mobility" > VideoRam8192 > EndSection > > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Screen0" > Device "Videocard0" > Monitor"Monitor0" > DefaultDepth 16 > SubSection "Display" > Depth 16 > Modes"1024x768" > EndSubSection > EndSection > > Section "DRI" > Group0 > Mode 0666 > EndSection > __
