[freenet-dev] Which #FOSS project should get a free, EU-funded audit? Vote now:

[hyazinthe]

All reading this who are living in an EU member state can participate at this 
survey - briefing with links to survey link: 
https://juliareda.eu/2016/06/eu-free-software-security-audits/


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Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet 0.7.5 build 1475 released

[hyazinthe]

Nope. Don't know how to do that. But I know how to spread news. :)


Greetings,
Torben Lechner

--- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
Von: Florent Daigniere 
Datum: 29.06.2016 15:04:12
An: hyazin...@emailn.de, Discussion of development issues

Betreff: Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet 0.7.5 build 1475 released

> On Tue, 2016-06-28 at 18:29 +0200, hyazin...@emailn.de wrote:
> > Nice. Where's the website link to the press release, so that not only
>
> > mailing list audience aka insiders take notice of the good news, but
>
> > everyone and
> > people can start spreading the news?
> >
>
> I don't know; have you filled in a pull-request?
>
> Florent
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Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet 0.7.5 build 1475 released

[hyazinthe]

Nice. Where's the website link to the press release, so that not only mailing 
list audience aka insiders take notice of the good news, but everyone and
people can start spreading the news?


Greetings,
Torben Lechner

--- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
Von: Florent Daigniere 
Datum: 25.06.2016 13:32:37
An: Discussion of development issues ,  
supp...@freenetproject.org
Betreff: [freenet-dev] Freenet 0.7.5 build 1475 released

> 2016-06-25
>
> Freenet 0.7.5 build 1475 is now available. It materializes several
> months of work (the previous release was rushed to fix frostbite) and
> features some major changes. Your nodes should start auto-updating
> soon. This build will become mandatory on July 15th.
>
> The following bugs have been fixed/implemented:
> - 0006745: Disk crypto: Should type password twice when setting it
> - 0006344: Change default compatibility mode to COMPAT_1466
> - 0006488: using “visit freesite” to visit a freesite with a hash (#)
> fails instead of opening it and jumping to the anchor.
>
> Summary of changes:
> - fix a critical bug: prevent announcement loops
> - drop support for negtype9 (non-cummulative ack logic)
> - start to warn user that java7 is EOL
> - PluginInfoMessage: Fix wrong "does not provide FCP" info about
> plugins
> - Stop warning users that java9 isn't recent enough
> - Don't use FOAF if the HTL isn't high enough
> - Attempt to update update.sh
> - l10n improvements
> - cooldown improvements
> - load-limiting changes (token buckets)
> - MessageFilter improvements
> - relax the CSS parser (see https://github.com/freenet/fred/pull/446)
> - support for HTML Audio tags
> - ask/confirm the disk-crypto password in the wizard
> - make the paste-a-key control usable on the WelcomeToadlet
> - the default compatibility mode for inserts is now COMPAT_CURRENT
> - remove the DSA related parameters from noderefs
> - Fix a major bug that might explain the poor connectivity since 1473
>
> Thank you for using Freenet!
>
> - Florent Daigniere
>
> diffstat:
>  .classpath |2 +-
>  .settings/org.eclipse.jdt.core.prefs   |7 +-
>  build.properties   |2 +-
>  dependencies.properties|8 +-
>  src/freenet/client/InsertContext.java  |3 +-
>  src/freenet/client/async/ClientLayerPersister.java |7 +-
>  .../client/async/ClientRequestSelector.java|   27 +-
>  src/freenet/client/async/DatastoreChecker.java |   50 +-
>  src/freenet/client/async/KeyListenerTracker.java   |  182 ++--
>  src/freenet/client/filter/CSSTokenizerFilter.java  |   26 +-
>  src/freenet/client/filter/GIFFilter.java   |   10 +-
>  src/freenet/client/filter/HTMLFilter.java  |   59 ++
>  src/freenet/clients/fcp/FCPServer.java |   10 +-
>  src/freenet/clients/fcp/LoadPlugin.java|5 +
>  src/freenet/clients/fcp/PluginInfoMessage.java |5 +-
>  src/freenet/clients/fcp/ProtocolErrorMessage.java  |1 +
>  src/freenet/clients/http/FProxyToadlet.java|8 +-
>  src/freenet/clients/http/PproxyToadlet.java|3 +
>  .../clients/http/SecurityLevelsToadlet.java|   94 +-
>  src/freenet/clients/http/WelcomeToadlet.java   |   31 +-
>  .../clients/http/staticfiles/defaultbookmarks.dat  |   16 +-
>  .../http/wizardsteps/SECURITY_PHYSICAL.java|   21 +-
>  src/freenet/crypt/DSAPublicKey.java|   28 +-
>  src/freenet/crypt/ECDSA.java   |   41 +-
>  src/freenet/crypt/EncryptingIoAdapter.java |  203 
>  src/freenet/io/comm/MessageCore.java   |6 +-
>  src/freenet/io/comm/MessageFilter.java |   45 +-
>  src/freenet/l10n/BaseL10n.java |   25 +-
>  src/freenet/l10n/freenet.l10n.de.properties|3 +-
>  src/freenet/l10n/freenet.l10n.en.properties|   24 +-
>  src/freenet/l10n/freenet.l10n.es.properties|4 +-
>  src/freenet/l10n/freenet.l10n.fr.properties|4 +-
>  src/freenet/l10n/freenet.l10n.it.properties|2 +-
>  src/freenet/l10n/freenet.l10n.nb-no.properties |3 +-
>  src/freenet/l10n/freenet.l10n.nl.properties|4 +-
>  src/freenet/l10n/freenet.l10n.pt-br.properties |1 -
>  src/freenet/l10n/freenet.l10n.ru.properties|2 +-
>  src/freenet/l10n/freenet.l10n.zh-cn.properties |4 +-
>  src/freenet/l10n/freenet.l10n.zh-tw.properties |4 +-
>  src/freenet/node/AnnounceSender.java   |2 +-
>  src/freenet/node/BasePeerNode.java |3 -
>  src/freenet/node/BaseSender.java   |8 +-
>  src/freenet/node/DarknetPeerNode.java  |4 +-
>  src/freenet/node/DatabaseKey.java  |7 -
>  src/freenet/node/FNPPacketMangler.java |   19 +-
>  src/freenet/node/NPFPacket.java|   73 +-
>  src/freenet/node/NewPacketFormat.java  

Re: [freenet-dev] Planning process step #1: Broad resource areas

[hyazinthe]

This is a good idea... sounds like a plan.

Greetings,
Torben Lechner

--- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
Von: Arne Babenhauserheide 
Datum: 06.05.2016 22:41:28
An: hyazin...@emailn.de, Discussion of development issues 

Betreff: Re: [freenet-dev] Planning process step #1: Broad resource areas

> Maybe replace “user friendliness” by “user experience”?
>
>
> hyazin...@emailn.de writes:
>
> > At first I had the same thought as you and Arne, but the current description
> of "user friendliness"
> > made me change my mind and think that "design" is missing.
>
> >
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Torben Lechner
> >
> > --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> > Von: Ian Clarke 
> > Datum: 06.05.2016 16:43:48
> > An: hyazin...@emailn.de
> > Betreff: Re: [freenet-dev] Planning process step #1: Broad resource
> areas
> >
> >  + Design - Make Freenet more beautiful, and make Freenet feel and
> work better
> >
> > Thank you for the suggestion, but isn't that very similar to “user 
> > friendliness”?
>
>
>
> --
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> heißt politisch sein
> ohne es zu merken
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Re: [freenet-dev] Planning process step #1: Broad resource areas

[hyazinthe]

At first I had the same thought as you and Arne, but the current description of 
"user friendliness"
made me change my mind and think that "design" is missing.


Greetings,
Torben Lechner

--- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
Von: Ian Clarke 
Datum: 06.05.2016 16:43:48
An: hyazin...@emailn.de
Betreff: Re: [freenet-dev] Planning process step #1: Broad resource areas

 + Design - Make Freenet more beautiful, and make Freenet feel and work 
better

Thank you for the suggestion, but isn't that very similar to “user 
friendliness”?





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Re: [freenet-dev] Post-quantum cryptography, was: Re: RFC: My Web of Trust bachelor's thesis / developer's manual

[hyazinthe]

Okay, clarification:
I am not a programmer.
I suggest that the crypto, which is encapsulated in the Freenet core layer 
("fred"),
gets replaced with PQ Crypto algorithms by https://pqcrypto.org/ , just as TOR 
is
doing the same by version 0.2.9.x , because fully functional quantum computers
will lever out all classical crypto and are expected to be invented in the next 
couple
of years.

Greetings,
Torben Lechner


--- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
Von: Florent Daigniere 
Datum: 06.05.2016 12:02:22
An: hyazin...@emailn.de
Betreff: Re: [freenet-dev] Post-quantum cryptography, was: Re: RFC: My Web  of 
Trust bachelor's thesis / developer's manual

> I am not sure that I understand what you are suggesting here...
> Which part of the crypto do you want to change and why?
>
> Florent
>
> On Fri, 2016-05-06 at 10:29 +0200, hyazin...@emailn.de wrote:
> > Yesterday Whonix developer tweeted a sub website of Whonix where
> > Whonix and Tor position
> > to post quantum cryptography was briefly explained. The Tor Project
>
> > are planning to
> > migrate to quantum resistant ciphers by version 0.2.9.x – currently
>
> > the Tor Project is at
> > version 0.2.8.2: https://www.whonix.org/wiki/PQCrypto
> >
> > --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> > Von: x...@freenetproject.org
> > Datum: 30.04.2016 02:00:05
> > An: Discussion of development issues 
>
> > Betreff: [freenet-dev] Post-quantum cryptography,   was: Re:
> > RFC: My Web of Trust bachelor's thesis / developer's manual
> >
> > >
> > > On Saturday, April 30, 2016 01:20:56 AM hyazin...@emailn.de wrote:
>
> > > >
> > > > Warning: Non-techie speaking. ;)
> > > >
> > > > Briefly seen through your work.
> > > > Regarding considering improvements for the future, maybe it's
> a
> > > > good
> > > idea to
> > > >
> > > > also concider the prospect of exchanging freenet's/WOTs crypto
>
> > > > algorithm
> > > >
> > > > with post-quantum cryptography solutions figured out by
> > > > pqcrypto.org
> > > . It
> > > >
> > > > probably won't make the used algorithm process faster than
> it is
> > > > now,
> > > but
> > > >
> > > > would highen the user's tolerance for waiting relative long.
> Then
> > > > users
> > > >
> > > > would thing 'gosh, that lasts long, but hey, it's quantum
> secure,
> > > > so
> > > what
> > > >
> > > > do you want...'. I mean we have the year 2016 now and reports
>
> > > > from
> > > > australia present the prospect of 2018 to be the year in which
>
> > > > the
> > > first
> > > >
> > > > universal quantum computer will be ready.
> > > >
> > > > Here's a great introduction video for what pqcrypto is doing
> to
> > > > make
> > > sure
> > > >
> > > > we'll also have secure systems when the era of universal quantum
>
> > > > computers
> > > >
> > > > starts. Title: djb, Tanja Lange: PQCHacks
> > > > Video link: https://youtu.be/-LlkJZJ5DMQ
> > > > discription: A gentle introduction to post-quantum cryptography
>
> > > > This is a talk of the cutting edgy group working on securing
>
> > > > working
> > > crypto
> > > >
> > > > in post-quantum era (starting btw. 2018-2027). A lot of smart
>
> > > > heads
> > > meet
> > > >
> > > > every year for this and this talk sums up the status quo,
> gives a
> > > > preview
> > > >
> > > > into the future and provides useful information for implementing
>
> > > > practical
> > > >
> > > > (but not optimal) post-quantum cryptography solutions right
> now.
> > > >
> > > > Most recent infos of pqcrypto: Their 2016 conference, which
> took
> > > > place
> > > 2
> > > >
> > > > months ago - https://pqcrypto2016.jp/
> > > Thanks! WoT does not do any cryptography at all, crypto is fully
>
> > > encapsulated
> > >
> > > in the Freenet core layer ("fred"). I currently do not
> work on
> > > that.
> > >
> > > Thus, if you want to get this noticed, you should start a separate
>
> > > thread.
> > >
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Re: [freenet-dev] Planning process step #1: Broad resource areas

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+ Design - Make Freenet more beautiful, and make Freenet feel and work better

--- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
Von: Ian Clarke 
Datum: 06.05.2016 02:02:08
An: Discussion of development issues 
Betreff: [freenet-dev] Planning process step #1: Broad resource areas

> First stage is to come up with a handful of broad categories of stuff that
> we
> might want to do over, say, the next 6 months. I'll start: * Speed - Make
> Freenet requests and responses faster
>
>  * User friendliness - Work on FProxy and installer to make them easier to
> use
>  * Security - Make Freenet more secure against attack
>  * Technical debt - Stuff that will make future development faster
>  * Outreach - Stuff that will help attract users, developers, and donors
> to
>Freenet (eg. the website)
>
> Am I missing anything? Let's try to keep things at a similar high-level.
> Ian.
> Ian Clarke
> Founder, The Freenet Project
> Email: i...@freenetproject.org
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Re: [freenet-dev] Post-quantum cryptography, was: Re: RFC: My Web of Trust bachelor's thesis / developer's manual

[hyazinthe]

Yesterday Whonix developer tweeted a sub website of Whonix where Whonix and Tor 
position
to post quantum cryptography was briefly explained. The Tor Project are 
planning to
migrate to quantum resistant ciphers by version 0.2.9.x – currently the Tor 
Project is at
version 0.2.8.2: https://www.whonix.org/wiki/PQCrypto

--- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
Von: x...@freenetproject.org
Datum: 30.04.2016 02:00:05
An: Discussion of development issues 
Betreff: [freenet-dev] Post-quantum cryptography,   was: Re: RFC: My Web of 
Trust bachelor's thesis / developer's manual

> On Saturday, April 30, 2016 01:20:56 AM hyazin...@emailn.de wrote:
> > Warning: Non-techie speaking. ;)
> >
> > Briefly seen through your work.
> > Regarding considering improvements for the future, maybe it's a good
> idea to
> > also concider the prospect of exchanging freenet's/WOTs crypto algorithm
>
> > with post-quantum cryptography solutions figured out by pqcrypto.org
> . It
> > probably won't make the used algorithm process faster than it is now,
> but
> > would highen the user's tolerance for waiting relative long. Then users
>
> > would thing 'gosh, that lasts long, but hey, it's quantum secure, so
> what
> > do you want...'. I mean we have the year 2016 now and reports from
> > australia present the prospect of 2018 to be the year in which the
> first
> > universal quantum computer will be ready.
> >
> > Here's a great introduction video for what pqcrypto is doing to make
> sure
> > we'll also have secure systems when the era of universal quantum computers
>
> > starts. Title: djb, Tanja Lange: PQCHacks
> > Video link: https://youtu.be/-LlkJZJ5DMQ
> > discription: A gentle introduction to post-quantum cryptography
> > This is a talk of the cutting edgy group working on securing working
> crypto
> > in post-quantum era (starting btw. 2018-2027). A lot of smart heads
> meet
> > every year for this and this talk sums up the status quo, gives a preview
>
> > into the future and provides useful information for implementing practical
>
> > (but not optimal) post-quantum cryptography solutions right now.
> >
> > Most recent infos of pqcrypto: Their 2016 conference, which took place
> 2
> > months ago - https://pqcrypto2016.jp/
>
> Thanks! WoT does not do any cryptography at all, crypto is fully encapsulated
>
> in the Freenet core layer ("fred"). I currently do not work on
> that.
>
> Thus, if you want to get this noticed, you should start a separate thread.
>
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Re: [freenet-dev] RFC: My Web of Trust bachelor's thesis / developer's manual

[hyazinthe]

Warning: Non-techie speaking. ;)

Briefly seen through your work.
Regarding considering improvements for the future, maybe it's a good idea to 
also concider the
prospect of exchanging freenet's/WOTs crypto algorithm with post-quantum 
cryptography solutions figured out by pqcrypto.org .
It probably won't make the used algorithm process faster than it is now, but 
would highen the
user's tolerance for waiting relative long. Then users would thing 'gosh, that 
lasts long, but hey, it's quantum secure,
so what do you want...'. I mean we have the year 2016 now and reports from 
australia present the prospect of
2018 to be the year in which the first universal quantum computer will be ready.

Here's a great introduction video for what pqcrypto is doing to make sure we'll 
also have secure systems when the era of universal quantum computers starts.
Title: djb, Tanja Lange: PQCHacks
Video link: https://youtu.be/-LlkJZJ5DMQ
discription: A gentle introduction to post-quantum cryptography
This is a talk of the cutting edgy group working on securing working crypto in
post-quantum era (starting btw. 2018-2027). A lot of smart heads meet every year
for this and this talk sums up the status quo, gives a preview into the future 
and
provides useful information for implementing practical (but not optimal) 
post-quantum cryptography solutions
right now.

Most recent infos of pqcrypto: Their 2016 conference, which took place 2 months 
ago - https://pqcrypto2016.jp/


Greetings...

--- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
Von: x...@freenetproject.org
Datum: 29.04.2016 18:27:07
An: Bert Massop 
Betreff: Re: [freenet-dev] RFC: My Web of Trust bachelor's thesis / 
developer's manual

> On Friday, April 29, 2016 10:31:19 AM Bert Massop wrote:
> > Hi xor,
> >
> > Awesome! Thanks for sharing your work, I've been looking forward to
> that
> > for quite some time ☺. I hope to dedicate some time to reading it in
> a
> > month or so, once I finish my master's thesis.
>
> That'd be great, I would be really thankful for a full read :)
>
> > Now to answer your question:
> >
> > > Besides getting to know how WoT works, it would be of scientific
> benefit
> > > for the project if you do read it:
> > > The end of the thesis describes how the algorithm might be further
>
> > > improved by
> > > investigating what can be considered as a whole class of algorithms.
> I
> > > have
> > > not heard about such a class of algorithms being identified and
> named by
> > > science yet. But this might be merely due to lack of my knowledge.
>
> >
> > I assume that this question relates to section 4.3.4 of your thesis.
>
>
> Yes!
> I had named the problem as "Single-Source Variable Shortest-Paths"
> (SSVSP)
> there.
>
> > You're looking at the class of dynamic shortest-paths problems, more
>
> > specifically the dynamic single-source shortest-paths problem. Note
> that in
> > general, DSSSP is at least as hard as (static) all-pairs shortest paths
>
> > [0]. However, WoT likely introduces a couple of constraints on the graph
>
> > that allow for improved complexity bounds. You might find [0] an
> > interesting read nonetheless.
>
> This is a perfect answer, just what I had hoped for! Thanks :)
>
> Also the idea with the constraints on the graph is promising.
> I shall think about such constraints for development of the WoT release next+2
>
> or next+3, as next is in feature-freeze, and the other two releases are
>
> planned to ship very significant improvements already (see [1]).
>
> Meanwhile, I'm looking forward to you or other people reading the chapters
> 2
> and 3 of the thesis. As they describe in great detail how the current WoT
>
> algorithm works, I hope this finally "opens up" WoT development
> enough so
> other people also have the opportunity to get ideas on whether such
> constraints do exist.
> I shall of course do my duty of dealing with this myself if nobody else does.
>
> But I'm really happy to finally have some peer review and hence this very
>
> promising algorithmic suggestion of yours! :)
>
> > [0] Roditty, L., & Zwick, U. (2011). On dynamic shortest paths problems.
>
> > *Algorithmica*, *61*(2), 389-401.
>
> Interesting that this is from only 2011. So we're still a vanguard research
>
> project :) This might open up fundraising possibilities from research
> institutions such as universities?
>
> I acquired a PDF with sha256sum of:
> > 09642b1e4681f1205da31ccaa829f93e62c4d071d67b93476c89437edbdde0b7
>
> Is this what you had at hand?
>
>
> Further, thanks to your identification of what the problem is called, I was
>
> able to find a stackexchange question thread which asks for a similar thing.
>
> I.e. the first part of the question sounds just the same, the rest of it
>
> sounds like a smaller part of the problem, so do read the whole of it:
> http://cs.stackexchange.com/questions/7250/retrieving-the-shortest-path-of-a-dynamic-graph
>
>
> The answers cite further publications. I today don't have time to dig through
>
> them.
> If you do, 

[freenet-dev] freenetproject.org traffic: Pretty good

[hyazinthe]

Have a look at this: https://www.similarweb.com/website/freenetproject.org
Looks pretty good. It's new that China is in the TOP 5 of visitors splitted by 
origins...
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Re: [freenet-dev] What blocks Freenet adoption?

[hyazinthe]

All I'm saying is:
1. One has good things to look at, neutral things to look at, and bad things to 
look at.
2. One should look at all, but it's important to have a balance between all. 
Only focussing on bad things drags you down.

Greetings,
Tobias Lechner

--- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
Von: Ian 
Datum: 06.01.2016 16:12:48
An: hyazin...@emailn.de,Discussion of development issues 

Betreff: Re: [freenet-dev] What blocks Freenet adoption?

On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 4:28 AM,   wrote:
I second Steve's statement. We've done enough 'looking what all is bad' stuff 
in recent past, people already know what's wrong, that's enough.
Keep doing it - even when done in a very friendly and nice tone - just 
demotivates and that highens unproductivity.


I've never heard of a project that didn't try to maintain a clear idea of what 
the project's priorities should be.  Are you saying that we already have a 
comprehensive list of the issues in priority order?


If not, and it really doesn't sound like we do, then any discussion that leads 
to one is entirely appropriate in any project, and there is no reason anyone 
should be demotivated by it.


Ian.
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Re: [freenet-dev] What blocks Freenet adoption?

[hyazinthe]

I second Steve's statement. We've done enough 'looking what all is bad' stuff 
in recent past, people already know what's wrong, that's enough.
Keep doing it - even when done in a very friendly and nice tone - just 
demotivates and that highens unproductivity.


Greetings,
Tobias Lechner

--- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
Von: Arne Babenhauserheide 
Datum: 04.01.2016 02:26:28
An: Discussion of development issues 
Betreff: [freenet-dev] What blocks Freenet adoption?

> I asked myself that question. These are my answers. Please add yours!
>
> Note: This is just for listing. Please don’t discuss these before January
> 16th.
>
> What blocks Freenet adoption?
>
> - Our themes look clunky and our web-interface is slow. Why is access
>   to bookmarked activelinks slow? Why isn’t 404 sent instantly (for
>   bookmarked activelinks) -> remove the checkbox “has an activelink?”,
>
>   just check instead. Prefetch activelinks at random intervals.
>   -> FreeStyle announced in FLIP to be working on new themes.
>
> - Hackers in-the-know reject Darknet due to the non-implemented fix
>   for the Pitch Black Attack. It’s been simulated several years ago
>   and just needs implementation.
>
> - Our installers often fail -> Work is already being done for Windows
>
>   and OSX (short of being deployed) and for Debian packages. Gentoo
>   mostly works (except for a hard-to-trace compression bug).
>
> - No working Darknet invites. We say “use darknet”, but advise
>   against that (“only connect to …”) and don’t make it easy and
>   useful. And new Darknet users get horrible performance. I invited
>   about 5-7 people over the past years, and at least 3 left again
>   because Darknet with a single friend is slow. For the others I
>   moderated the noderef exchange with my existing friends by manually
>   sending them each others references. To get adoption via Darknet,
>   this has to be fast on the initial connection without additional
>   manual interaction ← requirement.
>
> - WoT consumes too many resources (build 18 is faster, but my node
>   OOMs now, also without Sone).
>
> - New users don’t see what they can do with Freenet. We don’t fix
>   that, because starting to use WoT takes over an hour, so most of our
>   services can’t be shown to new users. -> Sharesite should improve
>   that (publish easily: due to Tor inproxies “Freenet is the easiest
>   way to publish a site in Tor”) -> recover Freemail v1 or recover
>   LCWoT and LCIntro and activate them by default (switching to
>   regular WoT once it works well enough will be easiy thanks to
>   having the same FCP interface). -> recover flircp and add it as
>   official plugin, active by default with random name per startup
>   to avoid timing attacks. Autoconnect to #public or such.
>
> - Does not work on mobile phones -> now that db4o is gone, it could be
>
>   worthwhile to change that. Using only while connected to power and
>   wifi should give 8-16 hours uptime (given that people plug in their
>   phones at night, at work and in trains), which is more than what
>   half the nodes in Freenet have. Freenet can cope with 30% backoff,
>   so being offline 30% of the time should work.
>
> - Opennet starts slowly. Our seednodes are overloaded. -> announce
>   through previous peers.
>
> - Our website looks much better now, but it still needs serious design
>   work to get on par with modern sites. It’s at a point where I’m
>   happy to show it, but not yet at a point where someone who randomly
>   hits the site instantly feels a desire to try Freenet.
>
> As you see, most of these can be fixed.
>
> Please add what I missed.
>
> Best wishes,
> Arne
> --
>   Writing about Freenet
> http://draketo.de/stichwort/freenet
>
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[freenet-dev] [32C3] Freenet useful talks (+ video links)

[hyazinthe]

Hello everyone,

the 32th chaos communication congress is taking place right now.

Video livestreaming: https://streaming.media.ccc.de/32c3
Schedule: https://events.ccc.de/congress/2015/Fahrplan/schedule/1.html

Some talks there are useful for the development of freenet.
Considering this I thought it's a good idea, to carry together such
talks here. So, feel free to do so: Plz provide title and optionally a short 
discription why
this talk is interesting for development of freenet. Links to videos can be 
found
here with 12 hours delay: https://www.youtube.com/user/mediacccde/videos

I only have 1 talk to suggest so far:

Title: djb, Tanja Lange: PQCHacks
Video link: https://youtu.be/-LlkJZJ5DMQ
discription: A gentle introduction to post-quantum cryptography
This is a talk of the cutting edgy group working on securing working crypto in
post-quantum era (starting btw. 2018-2027). A lot of smart heads meet every year
for this and this talk sums up the status quo, gives a preview into the future 
and
provides useful information for implementing practical (but not optimal) 
post-quantum cryptography solutions
right now - maybe it's a nice idea to exchange freenet's crypto with these 
post-quantum cryptography solutions.

Any other video suggestions?


Greetings,
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Re: [freenet-dev] Thoughts on website

[hyazinthe]

>I'm pretty sure that isn't true.  Not only does it not make any sense 
>whatsoever, but I can't find anything to back that up.  Can you support 
>that claim?

>That's not true.

Both proven:
http://youtube-global.blogspot.de/2011/03/were-turning-off-our-lights-in-honor-of.html

> Yeah, that's about as convincing as your previous arguments, one of which is 
> almost certainly factually incorrect, and the other is definitely factually 
> incorrect.

Superficially and without actually dealing with it a little bit deeper
simply claiming an argument to be not convincing and pushing it close to 
factual incorrectness is a knockout argument,
and rather reveals insistence on being right disquised as factual 
argumentation, than being valuable for getting a discourse forward.

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Re: [freenet-dev] Thoughts on website

[hyazinthe]

Youtube does dark background for saving energy once a year.
So, not only at least one big website uses dark background, it's also good for 
the environment.
Additionally, functionality really isn't a problem with current dark 
background. Reasons:
- mostly there is less text / no huge text deserts
- the text builds a high contrast to the background, especially thanks to bold 
typo and because the text is big enough
- it's not that colors on the website are so onesided and intense, that 
uncomfortable compensation effects are happening (looking on red background, 
switching to white background, seeing green although no green is there)
If despite of all that it just has to be made more functional, I'd rather make 
the space between the letters a tiny bit bigger, and if that's not enough than 
would redo and instead of that choose a slightly bigger text size.
Finally, asthetic design does matter. You eat with your eyes first, and the 
current dark background as it is is the perfect reflection in design of a key 
component of the freenet: The darknet.


Greetings,
Torben Lechner

--- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
Von: Ian 
Datum: 07.11.2015 00:37:56
An: hyazin...@emailn.de,Discussion of development issues 

Betreff: Re: [freenet-dev] Thoughts on website

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 5:23 PM,   wrote:
The dark background is fine. Functionally the current setting ain't that bad, 
and aside of that the dark background
is a nice change. Consider that one aspect of beauty is rarity and relations:
If everything looks alike (white background) across the internet, then that 
look is not interesting or beautiful, but boring average.


Originality might be important for art, but a website is a user-interface 
first, art (a distant) second.  With a user interface, it is very rare 
that doing something nobody else does is a good thing, normally there is a good 
reason why nobody else is doing it.


In this case, almost nobody does dark backgrounds because it makes the site 
hard to read.  The tool fails to do it's job.


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Re: [freenet-dev] Thoughts on website

[hyazinthe]

The dark background is fine. Functionally the current setting ain't that bad, 
and aside of that the dark background
is a nice change. Consider that one aspect of beauty is rarity and relations:
If everything looks alike (white background) across the internet, then that 
look is not interesting or beautiful, but boring average.

Greetings,
Torben Lechner

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Von: Ian 
Datum: 06.11.2015 22:55:46
An: x...@freenetproject.org
Betreff: Re: [freenet-dev] Thoughts on website

> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 5:33 PM, xor  wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, November 05, 2015 03:35:30 PM Ian wrote:
> > > Really?  It looks nothing like a typical Bootstrap site.  I think
> it
> > might
> > > have been better to stick much more closely to the standard Bootstrap
> CSS
> > > (eg. light background).
> >
> > With regards to "light background": We won't ever win this
> situation.
> > We had a light background, so people complained we should get a dark
> one.
> >
>
> I don't know who these "people" are that advocated for a dark background,
> but almost no other popular website on the Internet has a dark background
> and light text, likely because it makes the site difficult to read (which
> is the feedback we've been getting).
>
> Now we have a dark one, and people complain we should get a light one.
> > This IMHO is just a matter of taste, both are equally valid.
> >
>
> If both were equally valid, then how come almost no popular website on the
> Internet has a dark background?
>
> Ian.
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[freenet-dev] Freenet website & optimization

[hyazinthe]

First of all, very good how the donation money bar on the website currently is 
- https://freenetproject.org/index.html
Clear improvement to the vague donation time bar, which wasn't really 
motivating to donate as such and by it's boring small design.

Suggestion:
1. Place the donation money bar below the first download button on the main 
page. It's weird to hold up the hand even before offering the product.
I could imagine that after said re-organization, the fact that the 
horizontal section containing prize and 'motivation section' is asymmetric will 
have a
slightly less bad effect. One way or the other, the asymmetry is not that 
tragic. No need to worry.
2. Let the 'motivation section' giving reasons why to use Freenet rotate, so 
that every 12 seconds the displayed reason switches automatically.


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Re: [freenet-dev] Tunnels was Re: Project Status

[hyazinthe]

From: Matthew Toseland 
Date: 17.10.2015 18:41:23
At: devl@freenetproject.org
Topic: [freenet-dev] Tunnels was Re:  Project Status

> I do think we could provide better anonymity than Tor in the long run
> though. But we can't prevent blocking - *any* peer-to-peer network
> running over the regular Internet can be detected cheaply.
Even when Freenet integrates steganography features?
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Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet-Based Youtube (with working proof of concept)

[hyazinthe]

That would be a huge improvement.
From a certain perspective that would make MediaGoblin obsolete (!), as it 
doesn't offer anonymous, decentralized/distributed streaming, at all, but only 
decentralized/distributed streaming.
Don't need to tell you how huge the potential is considering how big YouTube & 
Vine are...


Greetings,
Torben Lechner

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Von: Arne Babenhauserheide 
Datum: 17.10.2015 10:13:54
An: devl@freenetproject.org
Betreff: [freenet-dev] Freenet-Based Youtube (with working proof of concept)

> Am Freitag, 16. Oktober 2015, 17:29:45 schrieb Matthew Toseland:
> > It's not going to
> > be as easy and fast as Youtube any time soon,
>
> Add an m3u filter and merge the ogg filters, and we can stream over Freenet.
>
>
> Proof:
>
> mplayer -prefer-ipv4 -fixed-vo -nocache -playlist 
> http://127.0.0.1:/SSK@vJ9s3JNTQZDKADPcFyAj7XyL0gtVSC3~Lc3ewvoA2KI,2Ft9oY0SrCJH83E9OYTATEPN7G~9LjizmjVoMiUeU80,AQACAAE/w8-playlist.m3u8?forcedownload=true
>
>
> This stream was inserted more than a months ago (September 7th, 2015).
>
> Add a nice HTML5 player with preloading, and we have a Freenet-based
> Youtube. We could even use adaptive sources ? based on the number of
> peers the user has.
>
> Best wishes,
> Arne
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> heißt politisch sein,
> ohne es zu merken.
> - Arne (http://draketo.de)
>
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Re: [freenet-dev] Project Status

[hyazinthe]

I noticed and got interested in Freenet in 2006 by this paper, here from the 
year 2002
- http://www.lawtechjournal.com/articles/2002/05_021229_roemer.php - and made an
effort in actually using it in 2014 as a reaction on the surveillance scandal 
exposed by Edward Snowden.

The good stuff:

For 15 years Freenet is one of the best technical solutions to extreme worst 
case internet scenarios
for whistleblowing & privacy advocates. And it still is. It's one of the most 
promissing technical
solutions in that regard. If I had to set up a new internet user existence with 
high demands on
freedom of press and privacy, I wouldn't think a second looking for other ways 
than the freenet project.

The Freenet has no bad record like for instance busted users for 15 years now 
upto today. What
other tool can claim that for itself?

I heard people here be in odds with the fact that freenet is the oldest player 
in the field.
The opposite is the case: It's no weakness, it's a strengh, it's reliability 
and consistency like a big, thick, old oak.

The Freenet is prestigious. In public it forms a 3 note chord together with TOR 
and I2P, and that
upto today: Just have a look at this recent article published by a news website
with 17 million visitors per month 
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/internet/more-indians-are-logging-on-anonymously-using-browsers-like-tor-freenet-i2p-and-tails/articleshow/49330271.cms
Not to forget the prize we've won this year: 
https://freenetproject.org/news.html#20150211-suma-award

The Freenet gets more and more important:
Just think of the surveillance scandal revealed by Edward Snowden in 2013, 
think of more and more
countries introducing data retention, think of how threatened freedom of press 
gets in more and more
countries, think of the centralization of the internet, shall I continue?
Each of those steps on the other side did, does and will push more people to 
the freenet.


The bad stuff:

The Freenet can't afford to look like a window in the past
in any way. It simply sucks. It's no pull, but push (away) factor.
And the worst thing in this regard is the completely grey, 
uncreative-depressing starting/main page of Freenet.
Second worst is the "internet like 1999" look of the websites linked by said 
main page of Freenet.
This is really a point which urgently and step by step needs to be updated. I'm 
glad that happens with
https://freenetproject.org/ very soon. It's absolutely necessary from user 
perspective !
Especially because of this: If Freenet always will be slower than the www, then 
you definitely don't
want Freenet to also be uglier then the www. It's a disadvantage you simply 
can't afford.
It should be the other way around: Your design loud and clear have to say that 
the future of the internet is the Freenet.


The chances:

Collaborations. Try to get in Tails. Try to get in Debian. Try to get in 
crowdfunded anti surveillance projects
like CommunityCube: 
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/communitycubes/communitycube-lets-build-a-fair-internet/description
It will establish you further like abovementioned and will result in more new 
users and developers.

Funding - pull every thinkable straw, and you have some left. When one has a 
look at https://freenetproject.org/donate.html , one sees how
currently one can donate by...
- paypal (recurring payment), which is not used by people, who boycott paypal 
for fighting wikileaks or simply don't trust online payment
- paypal (once)
- bitcoins
- ~ talking and figuring out together - great offer, but practically to 
complicated. What ever solution could be figured out, write it directly
  and so remove the need to start a conversation before paying
- merchandising
what is missing:
- direct bank account based on SEPA - think of your peer group, privacy 
sensitive folks care about this method a lot, as online banking
in times of NSA is evil.
- you really need to make a strong effort in making a crowdfunding campaign on 
any crowdfunding platform, preferably big and popular
crowdfunding platforms like patreon or kickstarter, just like MediaGoblin has 
done so: http://mediagoblin.org/pages/campaign.html
-- I mean, you have it all:
--- You have the crowd motivation (surveillance scandal, data retention, 
facebook, etc.)
--- You have the offer: The practical useful tool, Freenet - with all of said 
record
 Now, all it takes is a serious effort in making a crowdfunding campaign, 
including a nice video, promoting at news papers & PR people,
well-thought crowdfunding aims, and all that placed in bottom drawer waitind to 
be taken out when the moment is very good for it, like
for instance when data retention is being introduced in another big country, 
etc.
Additionally, the time counter doesn't seem to me that effective as the money 
counter, so better switch back to the money counter.

Show people how to use the Freenet. You know why most people don't change their 
behaviour?
Not because of lack of motivation, but bec

Re: [freenet-dev] Behind the times

[hyazinthe]

I see one group saying that all parts of freenet are sufficiently up-to-date and
one group of people saying the opposite. How about a compromise way:
Picking one part of freenet, which needs to be updated the most for potential 
freenet developers,
and picking one part of freenet, which needs to be updated the most for users,
and decide to update these both parts within the next releases of freenet?
Then the one group only needs to decide, which parts of freenet are said both 
parts...


Greetings,
Torben Lechner

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Von: Ian 
Datum: 01.10.2015 06:17:24
An: Arne Babenhauserheide 
Betreff: Re: [freenet-dev] Behind the times

> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Arne Babenhauserheide 
> wrote:
>
> > Am Mittwoch, 30. September 2015, 08:42:38 schrieb Ian:
> > > I'm not opposed to using signing if we can do it without keeping
> the
> > > project stuck in 2001's development tools - because that will pretty-much
> > > guarantee its slow death.
> >
> > Are we actually stuck in 2001?s development tools?
> >
>
> When it comes to dependency management, yes.  Maven started in 2002, and
> has become standard in the years since.
>
> There might be some tools which are not up to date, but that?s either
> > because no one took it up, or because the benefit does not outweight
> > the cost (we have to update all contributors to the new system, and
> we
> > have quite diverse development setups).
>
>
> > There are more important things to do ? like getting the debian
> > package working again. And for that, using proven though sometimes a
> > bit clunky systems is an advantage.
>
>
> I'd say a higher priority would be making Freenet look remotely like a
> modern piece of software.  So many aspects of Freenet seem like a time
> capsule from over a decade ago.
>
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Re: [freenet-dev] Behind the times

[hyazinthe]

Regarding point 2 best probably simply would be to ping gerard, because he
is working at a new Freenet website and is almost finished according to
this posting of him here, which he posted 5 months ago:
https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/2015-May/038086.html


Greetings,
Torben Lechner

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Von: Ian Clarke 
Datum: 29.09.2015 21:50:27
An: Discussion of development of development issues 
Betreff: [freenet-dev] Behind the times

> Bringing an off-list conversation onto the list (I failed to cc the list
> in
> the first place).
>
> ---
>
> Unfortunately these aren't the only ways we've fallen behind the times
> (hard to believe we've been doing this for 15 years!).
>
>- Maven/Gradle are now de-facto standard build systems for Java apps,
>and yet we're still using Ant (I was never convinced by the security
>argument against these tools, since we don't audit 3rd-party libraries
>anyway)
>
>- Website badly needs an update, it looks very dated and frankly a bit
>spammy.  Bootstrap 
> anyone, or even the Github page generator
>
> would be a big improvement
>
>- We could also use an automatic unit testing system like Travis CI
>
> (which is free for O.S projects)
>
> Of course, all of these things will require work.  Fortunately, most can
> be
> tackled independently of each-other and so we can bite off one piece at a
> time, if there are any volunteers to take ownership of them.
>
> Ian.
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[freenet-dev] Call for Participation: 32C3 — 32nd Chaos Communication Congress

[hyazinthe]

Hi,

as you're constantly in search of new coders, users and money, maybe you're 
interesting in submitting a talk to this event within the next 2 weeks - that's 
how long the submission phase goes. The event itself will take place between 
christmas and sylvester, so the end of the year. Last year more than 11.000 
people around the world came to this annual event, which takes place in 
Germany, Hamburg. 
https://events.ccc.de/2015/09/14/32c3-call-for-participation-en/

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Re: [freenet-dev] freenet @ bountysource

[hyazinthe]

I think you should discuss this a little bit out.
From outside it looks like apparently bountysource was dismissed
because of a condition, which does not exist anymore, but not seeing
this someone asked to turn your back from bountysource.
So: Is it true that bountysource can be used in a way which fits to
your needs? If this is the case, does this recent approach is like this?
And if yes, do you really want to re-do this approach then?
Seems tragic when bountysource turns out to be fine, but nevertheless
the approach is re-done...


Greetings...

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Von: Arne Babenhauserheide 
Datum: 12.09.2015 16:06:21
An: devl@freenetproject.org
Betreff: Re: [freenet-dev] freenet @ bountysource

> Am Samstag, 12. September 2015, 10:37:38 schrieb Florent Daigniere:
> > Heh. Last time we've talked about it the consensus was that bounty
> > wasn't what we wanted... as it creates skewed incentives that alienates
>
> > core work. Has that changed? shouldn't we talk about it first?
>
> It added fixed monthly payments ? not tied to a bounty. So if we can
> disable bounties and restrict it to monthly payments we get rid of the
> bad incentives.
>
> I think I posted about that change when they invited us to the
> invitation only phase ? maybe ?no comment? isn?t quite equivalent to
> ?OK? but rather to ?no action?? sorry if that went wrong.
>
> Taking it down when it?s claimed should be easy (I hope).
>
> Best wishes,
> Arne
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>
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Re: [freenet-dev] Donation page on website

[hyazinthe]

I agree, that aims are good.
But I think that displaying donation status in a way, so that you can see it 
when you've donated 10$, is just as important. People need this verification 
quality,
and with the current display of donation status they have it. I'm not saying by 
this, that all should stay like it is right now. I'm hinting on what shouldn't 
be lost in the process of change.


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Von: Juiceman 
Datum: 02.06.2015 17:45:25
An: Discussion of development issues 
Betreff: Re: [freenet-dev] Donation page on website

> On Jun 2, 2015 11:07 AM, "Gerard Krol" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, that's the reason I didn't spend any time bringing it over. For
> a
> > single person donating $10k is a lot of money. A progress bar would
> solve
> > that. Our full goal could be to fund the project for 12 months, that
> > doesn't sound unreasonable.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Gerard
> >
>
> 12 months is still beyond the horizon of most average people. If you want
> to lose 50 pounds in six months you don't ignore the scale for 5 months
> and
> then find out you have only lost 10 pounds and stop eating for month 6.
> You give yourself mini goals 5 lbs a week or 10 pounds a month or whatever
> works so you feel like progress is being made. If you don't make your mini
> goal you know to work harder for the next check-in.
>
> If you want to put a year progress bar next to it that is fine.
>
> > On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Juiceman 
> wrote:
> >
> > > I have been meaning to bring this for a while.  The donate page
> shows
> our
> > > balance $10K+ or whatever. In my mind this actually discourages
> donations.
> > > "eh. The project has enough money for now... my $10 isn't
> gonna make a
> > > difference."
> > >
> > > People respond to goals. We figure out what monthly amounts we
> need to
> fund
> > > at full paid developer level and display that as a progress bar.
> Thoughts?
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Re: [freenet-dev] New Freenet website (almost finished)

[hyazinthe]

My first reaction: 'Fucking hell ! Too beautiful !' :D

Aside of this:
- The logo is too small and doesn't seem to have the best image solution
- Missing the donation status section on the main page
- The design requires the content to be more visual, as it's more arduous to 
read in this design; the main page solved this good, the other pages not so 
well, yet


Greetings,
Torben Lechner


> Hello everyone!
>
> It has been a busy weekend and now the new Freenet website is almost
> finished!
> Take a look: http://realitysink.com/freenet/en/
> The source is on Github: https://github.com/gerard-/freenet-website
>
> Thanks to everyone who gave feedback. As you can see in the readme there
> are some things left to do. Some minor licensing stuff needs to be finshed
> and the site will have to be translated. It uses gettext so that should be
> quite easy. All content that was on the freenetproject.org site has been
> migrated over and we can probably re-use most of the translations.
>
> Comments & pull requests are welcome!
>
> This message has been posted to the Freenet dev mailing list and to the FMS
> boards Freenet and Freenet.promo. Please reply on the FMS Freenet board if
> possible.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gerard
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