[DDN] filling in your biographical profile on the DDN site
hi everyone - earlier this week i heard from some reporters at the wall street journal and wired magazine who might be covering the new Digital Divide Network web site in upcoming articles. reporters visiting the site will be asking themselves the question: who is here? this is a good time to fill in a biographical profile about yourself on the DDN site. it's helpful to note that you can include links within your profile. links can be to articles you've written, videos you've created, or any other information that might be interesting for people wanting to know more about your background and interests. if you're not sure how to include links within html, check with a friend or colleague. (or feel free to send me an email off-list.) if you have a video of yourself teaching or giving a talk and you'd like to link to a short clip of that video on the web, i can convert any vhs video (or mini dv) to quicktime format. i can offer free web space for such clips -- although i'd prefer to send the clip to you to host on the web. i would send the clip using the service called yousendit. http://yousendit.com kindly cue your video to the minute you'd like in quicktime format. my current snail mail address is: Phil Shapiro 1617 10th St. South Arlington VA 22204 thanks, - phil -- Phil Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.his.com/pshapiro/ (personal) http://teachme.blogspot.com (weblog) http://www.digitaldivide.net/profile/pshapiro (technology access work) http://mytvstation.blogspot.com/ (video and rich media) We all live under the same sky, but we don't all have the same horizon. -- Dr. Konrad Adenauer ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] admin: thoughts on changing policy re: html messages
My two cents: If someone really needs HTML for emphasis, there are plenty of resources to make it available through a link. Frankly, the second I see HTML in a message, my gut says 'SPAM'. While it may be pretty, the bottom line is really communication. What's really good about plain text is that it works with any email client. Some email clients do not generate proper HTML, or when they do generate HTML it is quite bloated (do you really need a name?). HTML messages on non-secure Windows machines is also a really great way to hide a script and run a virus when it loads. Do I really need a fancy background, or a picture, etc, in an email? I don't think so... Andy Carvin wrote: Hi everyone, In recent months we've had some problems with getting list members' messages to the list because of the increasing number of messages in HTML. Historically, we haven't allowed HTML messages on the list because of bandwidth limits of some users (an html message contains more than twice the amount of data of a plain text message). Now, though, more than half of the messages that people try to post to the list come in HTML, including from developing countries. Because our list software, Mailman, cannot automatically strip out HTML, it rejects these messages if I try to post them. This means that I have to email the author and ask them to repost in plain text, which they don't always do. So many messages are not getting posted simply because they're submitted in HTML. So I'd like to ask for comments from list members about a proposed rule change regarding HTML messages. The rule change would allow people to post in HTML, but still not allow attachments, which we block for virus and bandwidth concerns. Plain text, of course, will still be encouraged, but members wouldn't be penalized if they didn't comply. Please let me know what you think. If there's general consensus that posting in HTML is acceptable to the group, I'll make the rule change in the FAQ. thanks, ac -- Taran Rampersad [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxgazette.com http://www.a42.com http://www.worldchanging.com http://www.knowprose.com http://www.easylum.net Criticize by creating. Michelangelo ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] admin: thoughts on changing policy re: html messages
John Hibbs wrote: Hibbs' third cent: It's hard - and rare - to successfully argue with Bonnie Bracey, one very brilliant individual. Couldn't leave this alone. :-) When it comes to disagreeing with Bonnie, it's conservative to think you're wrong and work from there. :-) I haven't had a good discussion with Bonnie in a while. :-( -- Taran Rampersad [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxgazette.com http://www.a42.com http://www.worldchanging.com http://www.knowprose.com http://www.easylum.net Criticize by creating. Michelangelo ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
RE: [DDN] admin: thoughts on changing policy re: html messages
posting in html is fine with me. ...Bri -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Andy Carvin Reply To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group Sent: Friday, January 7, 2005 11:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [DDN] admin: thoughts on changing policy re: html messages Hi everyone, In recent months we've had some problems with getting list members' messages to the list because of the increasing number of messages in HTML. Historically, we haven't allowed HTML messages on the list because of bandwidth limits of some users (an html message contains more than twice the amount of data of a plain text message). Now, though, more than half of the messages that people try to post to the list come in HTML, including from developing countries. Because our list software, Mailman, cannot automatically strip out HTML, it rejects these messages if I try to post them. This means that I have to email the author and ask them to repost in plain text, which they don't always do. So many messages are not getting posted simply because they're submitted in HTML. So I'd like to ask for comments from list members about a proposed rule change regarding HTML messages. The rule change would allow people to post in HTML, but still not allow attachments, which we block for virus and bandwidth concerns. Plain text, of course, will still be encouraged, but members wouldn't be penalized if they didn't comply. Please let me know what you think. If there's general consensus that posting in HTML is acceptable to the group, I'll make the rule change in the FAQ. thanks, ac -- --- Andy Carvin Program Director EDC Center for Media Community acarvin @ edc . org http://www.digitaldivide.net http://www.tsunami-info.org Blog: http://www.andycarvin.com --- ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] admin: thoughts on changing policy re: html messages
dear all, i join my small voice to the group of those who do *not* want html in their mailbox since i do not always have a good interent connection here in morocco. but i think bandwidth concerns are not the only ones: 1. The majority of people who try to post in HTML on DDN are not in the US or Europe, but in the South, so apparently there has been significant growth of html-friendly email browsers there. this simply means that there has been a significant growth of people taking the default settings of their client without further thinking. these are the same who send huge attachments, like a word document with a 30 KBytes logo and a 30 Bytes message like there is meeting next friday. this simply happens because it has become increasingly easy to misbehave in the net. i personally won't encourage those behaviours, but of course, priority goes to who spend his/her time to admin the list. p. -- paolo palmerini http://palmerini.org ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
[DDN] DDN's Citizen Journalist community and podcasting
Hi everyone, A few weeks ago, Phil Shapiro set up a new community on the DDN website called Citizen Journalist: http://www.digitaldivide.net/community/citizenjournalist The community is about the role that the general public can play as citizen journalists, posting blogs, podcasts and other content on the Internet to add to civic discourse. Parallel to this, Brian Russell of AudioActivism.org and I have been corresponding with each other, thinking about writing a series of DDN articles that could serve as tutorials for newbie citizen journalists on blogging and podcasting. (Dave Warlick also blogged about this yesterday in the context of student podcasting.) I think the blogging one would be fairly straightforward, since there are lots of blogging tutorials out there, not to mention a lot of good content on what it means to be a citizen journalist. The podcasting one, however, is a bit trickier, as podcasting is still very new and there's no one single recommended process for creating a podcast. (I imagine if you picked two podcasters at random and asked them to explain how they produce a podcast, you'd get two totally different stories, with different software and gadgets being used.) Brian and I have just started talking about this issue in a DDN discussion thread, which you can find here: http://www.digitaldivide.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?p=136 In my response to Brian, I said it might be worth talking with a broader group of podcasters to compare each other's podcasting methods (or podcraft, to coin a phrase). That way we could create a tutorial that would guide people based on the tools available to them - PC or make, open source or otherwise, etc. So here's my question: are there any other podcasters in our group? If so, please go to the Citizen Journalist community, join the group by clicking the join this community link at the center of the page, and let us know what you think. And of course, anyone else interested in this issue should feel free to chime in. Don't forget to register as a DDN member and log in if you're not a member, since membership is required to participate in DDN communities. thanks, ac -- --- Andy Carvin Program Director EDC Center for Media Community acarvin @ edc . org http://www.digitaldivide.net http://www.tsunami-info.org Blog: http://www.andycarvin.com --- ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] admin: thoughts on changing policy re: html messages
Hibbs' third cent: It's hard - and rare - to successfully argue with
Bonnie Bracey, one very brilliant individual. It's important for a
guy with Andy's skills to not waste time fixing things that no longer
need fixing -- which also bends the case toward unlocking HTML gates.
And if the visually impaired and members in the countries mentioned
don't object, then why should I push back?
Here's why - Partly based on the tree huggers here in Oregon, and
partly based on worries about a world gone nuts in the business of
heavier and heavier consumption, and partly based on the logic behind
Stuart Brand's The Clock of the Long Now {http://www.longnow.org},
I'd like to promote - everywhere - the idea that, many times, less is
more.
My argument is not so much about bandwidth saving as it is about
developing a cultural philosophy with and through people - such as
are found on this list - who share my over-consumption worries.
There may well be rich textual gains from HTML, and less work for
Andy - but at what cost to a culture many of us on this list would
like to nurture?
That's why I push back. :)
At 12:19 PM -0500 1/7/05, Andy Carvin wrote:
Hi John,
That was my feeling as well for many years, but I'm beginning to
change my mind for several reasons:
1. The majority of people who try to post in HTML on DDN are not in
the US or Europe, but in the South, so apparently there has been
significant growth of html-friendly email browsers there.
2. Many people who post in HTML but then are asked by me to post in
text do not -- or cannot -- switch to HTML, so their message never
gets posted. This may represent as many as one in five messages
posted to the list. And the majority of those who have a hard time
changing their settings to plain text are in developing countries,
so their messages aren't receiving fair representation on the list.
3. An early reason for this policy was also to help people who used
screen-reading software, but now this software is generally better
than it used to be and can usually read HTML. (If this isn't the
case for any list members, please speak up now.)
4. The amount of time I spend moderating list messages has doubled,
if not tripled, solely due to dealing with this problem, and it is
hampering my ability to provide other more important types of
assistance to list members.
Personally, I plan to base my final decision on input from two key
groups: DDN members in developing nations and members who are
visually impaired, since they are the groups that would be affected
by the change. If people from either of these constituencies respond
by saying that their participation in the list will indeed be
hampered by HTML messages, then I won't change the policy. But if
it's not longer an issue for them, I'm going to have to change the
policy just to make the list fully functional again
ac
John Hibbs wrote:
I for one hope the present (HTML) policy continues.
It seems this is especially important for a group devoted to
narrowing the digital divide. Yes, it may well be that most of us
on this list have broadband, super fast computers and live in
countries where electronic mail zips easily and instantly...but the
great, great, great balance of the world doesn't have these
advantagesand won't for a good long time.
Let the spammers choke on their own HTML. Let's keep the policy -
and in fact encourage our members to send *all* mail in plain text.
My two cents.
John Hibbs
http://www.bfranklin.edu/johnhibbs
At 11:07 AM -0500 1/7/05, Andy Carvin wrote:
Hi everyone,
In recent months we've had some problems with getting list
members' messages to the list because of the increasing number of
messages in HTML. Historically, we haven't allowed HTML messages
on the list because of bandwidth limits of some users (an html
message contains more than twice the amount of data of a plain
text message). Now, though, more than half of the messages that
people try to post to the list come in HTML, including from
developing countries. Because our list software, Mailman, cannot
automatically strip out HTML, it rejects these messages if I try
to post them. This means that I have to email the author and ask
them to repost in plain text, which they don't always do. So many
messages are not getting posted simply because they're submitted
in HTML.
So I'd like to ask for comments from list members about a proposed
rule change regarding HTML messages. The rule change would allow
people to post in HTML, but still not allow attachments, which we
block for virus and bandwidth concerns. Plain text, of course,
will still be encouraged, but members wouldn't be penalized if
they didn't comply.
Please let me know what you think. If there's general consensus
that posting in HTML is acceptable to the group, I'll make the
rule change in the FAQ.
thanks,
ac
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[DDN] Vlogging
Washington Post staff writers are at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, Nevada, and Leslie Walker is blogging about some of the fun new tech stuff. Since we've been discussing Podcasting, I thought the video blogging or Vlogging piece would be of interest. I suppose it doesn't have the accessibility allure of Podcasting, though one could at the very least perform a visual demonstration along with commentary in sign language, for instance. But I was really thinking of this along the lines of adding to the ability of online independent journalists to provide added value to their commentary. Anyway, enjoy. Cheers, Charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A56562-2005Jan7.html Blog + Video = Vlog By Leslie Walker Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, January 7, 2005; 2:20 PM One gee-whiz product on display last night in the ballroom of the MGM Grand Casino signaled where the personal publishing trend known as blogging is headed. Think video. Think regular Joes and Marys acting like Dan Rather, broadcasting personal video newscasts from their kitchen counters and living room sofas. Vlog It, a new video-creation software program, helps people create a video blog or vlog with TV-quality graphics, transitions and titles. Users type in text, picking from pre-designed templates and then talk away in front of their computer or laptop, looking directly at a Web cam attached their monitor. The software records them, compresses and formats the video, and then automatically arranges fancy overlays and transitions. When done, bloggers upload their resulting video file to a blogging Web site. [snip] ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
[DDN] assessment of access to ICTs
It could be this was already posted to the DD list? But in light of the size of the tragedy and the silver lining that might come out of this - narrowing of the divide by new communication adoption and access to - I thought it might be worth a second posting? --- SOURCE: CREATIVE RADIO Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 07:02:34 -0500 Subject: [hif-net-at-who] Access to ICTs among health professionals in South East Asia From: Ranjan Dwivedi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Colleagues, We are doing a quick assessment of access to ICTs amongst functionaries in the public health system.(i.e.doctors / health workers /policy makers / researchers etc.), in Bangladesh, Bhutan, DPR Korea, India, Indonesia, Maldives, Myanmar, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Thailand and Timor-Leste (Countries constituting South East Asia Region of WHO) Appreciate your assistance in information / reports on access to this group to: 1) Landline phones, 2) Cellular phone 3) Computers 4) Internet 5) Email. Even if data for doctors/ health related professionals is not directly available, statistics for government officials or general public would be useful as it will provide a basis for estimation. Many thanks for your help, Best regards, Ranjan Ranjan Dwivedi e-Health World Health Organization, 530 A Wing, Nirman Bhawan New Delhi-110011, India Phone:+91 11 24644107 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.hin.org.in [HIF-net-at-WHO profile: Ranjan Dwivedi is Project Manager of the Health InterNetwork India Project, WHO, New Delhi, India. Professional interests include use of information and communication technology for development. www.hin.org.in [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] HIF-net-at-WHO: working together to improve access to reliable information for healthcare providers in developing and transitional countries. Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. To join the list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with name, organization, country, and brief description of professional interests. Archive at: http://www.dgroups.org/groups/inasp/HIF-net-at-WHO ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] admin: thoughts on changing policy re: html messages
If I may be permitted to add to this that there are quite a few people with email accounts who either do not have internet access or whose internet access is very basic, including people with disabilities, and use of pine email and lynx browsers that are text based is the rule with many people. I use text based pine email for all of my Temple email account activities. For such users of email, the use of html mail causes messages to be received with annoying HTML tags at the minimum and in many cases renders them completely unreadable so that they are deleted unread. As the moderator of Net-Gold, I spend a substantial amount of time cleaning up some posts of HTML tagging so that the message is clean when reposting these coded messages to the archives for the list. Since this DDN list is aimed at countries and groups of people within countries who are part of the digital divide, it would seem to be a premise of the foundation of the list that such a list would servicable to the lowest common denominator of ability to capture internet and email content on equipment that may be old, outdated or limited. In some areas of the world, bandwidth is relatively inexpensive, whereas in other areas the cost of internet access may be a major portion of the income of many families. A list aimed at diminishing the digital divide should be aimed in all of its attributes at maximizing what is received by those whose payment to access the internet is a sacrificial amount of their salary. The South Asian disaster, among its other tragedies will almost certainly increase the ranks of those without internet access or with much lesser quality access. To reduce access to such a group of people of a list that has provided so much information for them seems to be a bad direction to head. Otherwise, I am a big fan of HTML mail. g Got DOS? Get Internet! http://www.accessmasters.com/dos.html Finally: Broadband for the Commodore 64 http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/18/1857204 Posted by CmdrTaco on Thu Sep 18, '03 04:36 PM from the answer-to-a-question-that-didn't-need-asking dept. GP writes Now even die-hard Commodore 64 users are able to enjoy the benefits of broadband Internet connectivity. A newly announced Ethernet card together with the Contiki operating system lets you surf the web, send e-mail, host web sites with the built-in web server, and soon even play LAN games on your good old Commodore 64! All this with a computer that is old enough to drink. The no-frills US$199 computer The US$199 personal computer has arrived ... without Microsoft or Intel inside http://64.55.181.130/news/geeknews/2002Dec/gee20021210017684.htm Wal-Mart has begun to offer a computer built by Microtel which is made for the simple broadband user in mind. The computer comes with no floppy disk drive and no modem, but does include a 10/100 Ethernet card. It also features a small 10 GB hard drive, 128 MB of RAM, a CD-ROM drive (not a burner), and comes with a sound card and speakers. The processor running the computer is a VIA 800MHz C3 processor. Though the processor may be slower than its higher speed counterparts, the speed of the processor is not as much a factor for a computer marketed toward broadband Internet use. The operating system running the computer is the Linux-based Lycoris Desktop/LX. This Linux-based OS has much the same look and feel of Windows XP. The Digital Beat Vol. 2, No. 23, January 2000 By Jamal Le Blanc The Digital Divide: Evolving Awareness and Evolving Solutions http://www.benton.org/publibrary/digitalbeat/db013100.html Bridging the Digital Divide http://www.ecommerce.gov.tt/uploads/digital_divide.pdf UNDERSTANDING THE DIGITAL ECONOMY Data, Tools and Research May 25 and 26, 1999 US Department of Commerce Washington DC THE GROWING DIGITAL DIVIDE IN ACCESS FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES: OVERCOMING BARRIERS TO PARTICIPATION IN THE DIGITAL ECONOMY By Cynthia D. Waddell, J.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.icdri.org/CynthiaW/the_digital_divide.htm South Africans Online: 'Digital Divide' and the Network Society http://www.writing.uct.ac.za/what/southafrican.htm Accessibility and Usability of Information Technology by the Elderly Hilary Browne Department of Computer Science University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] April 19, 2000 http://www.otal.umd.edu/UUGuide/hbrowne/ Why Fiber Optics Can't Solve Today's Broadband Shortage - Technology Information Computer Technology Review, Jan, 2001 by Gilad Rozen http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BRZ/is_1_21/ai_77057991 Africa Takes On the Digital Divide Africa Recovery (New York) ANALYSIS October 23, 2003 Posted to the web October 23, 2003 Gumisai Mutume New York New information technologies change the lives of those in reach http://allafrica.com/stories/200310230592.html I hope that these links serve as a reminder of the worlds referred to in the content heading of this list as factors in the decision to include or
Re: [DDN] admin: thoughts on changing policy re: html messages
Well, if the software can do the heavy lifting, then it wouldn't matter *what* people did. That's probably easier inthe long run, Andy, than setting yourself up to bird-dog this or trying to explain to people well, if you have this software, click here and then here to do plain text. Pam is right, I think: most people don't know or pay attention to that. I get HTML stuff all the time that i'd prefer not to have and just reformat when i do replies. but if the s-ware could yank out the tags, that would make the most sense to me. that doesn't sound like a difficult task, either. there is perl already that disallows html in guestbooks and the like, so it doesn't seem like a huge task to write something that would fix it (i say that NOT being a programmer and as someone who ALWAYS underestimates the effort it takes to do programming work). steve snow === Stephen Snow, MA, National Certified Counselor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Where love stops, power www.commcure.com begins, and violence 704.569.0243 and terror. -- CG Jung -- Artist-Blacksmith Assn. of N. America (www.abana.org) Assn. For Community Networking (www.afcn.org) Charlotte Folk Society (www.folksociety.org) Int'l Society for the Study of Dissociation (www.issd.org) Si Kahn (www.sikahn.com) One Special Christmas (www.onespecialchristmas.org) GROW BY GIVING: VOLUNTEER === - Original Message - From: Andy Carvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [DDN] admin: thoughts on changing policy re: html messages That's almost what I'm doing right now - every time a person posts a message in HTML they get a rejection notice explaining the problem. Usually people will try to fix it and repost a couple of times, often failing to solve the problem, then quit. The idea solution would be for the Mailman software to strip out HTML like Yahoogroups or Listserv, but instead it's set up to trash messages rather than strip them. ac Richard Siddall wrote: Andy Carvin wrote: [snip] 4. The amount of time I spend moderating list messages has doubled, if not tripled, solely due to dealing with this problem, and it is hampering my ability to provide other more important types of assistance to list members. [snip] Well, if you decide to stay with text-only, couldn't you run a script in your MTA that detects incoming non-text e-mails and bounces them with an explanatory message containing a URL that links to the list policy? (The web page might explain how to reconfigure common e-mail clients to send text to particular recipients.) Bouncing in real-time might encourage some posters to resubmit their messages, unlike having the moderator bounce your message several hours later. Regards, Richard Siddall P.S. FWIW, I vote for text-only, but I'm not a member of your target group. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. -- --- Andy Carvin Program Director EDC Center for Media Community acarvin @ edc . org http://www.digitaldivide.net http://www.tsunami-info.org Blog: http://www.andycarvin.com --- ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] admin: thoughts on changing policy re: html messages
At 7:35 PM -0500 1/7/05, James Lerman wrote: I agree with Pam. I think many people don't know much about this at all. A primer for the neophyte would be excellent I think...don't just tell them not to send messages as HTML, tell them how not to and how to find out if they are. Jim Lerman Agree. Not only might they end up sending *all* their messages in plain text they might even cotton to the idea that less can be more. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] admin: thoughts on changing policy re: html messages
Tim Arnold wrote: Taran, Keep in mind, that HTML formatted email does not automatically mean images and other web-pagey things. When I compose a simple text email in Mozilla Thunderbird, it sends as HTML. There are no images, backgrounds, or anything. Just text, formatted with HTML. I think that the majority of instances that Andy comes across is as I've described, rather than the spam-like messages you're referring to. Actually, you're right to a degree. Bu that doesn't mean that the HTML isn't masking other things. Some SPAM doesn't use images, and since you use Mozilla, you'll understand the Bayesian filters and how they can sometimes trash something that looks like something you have labeled as trash. I wonder if it's possible to at least reject messages that have embedded images or other attachments and still let through simple font tags that many email programs add without the knowledge of casual users? That's definitely possible. But it becomes problematic because the DDN has many useful links in it as well. So now the system has to figure out which is which... I've selected that this message send using plain text, but the font I'm seeing right now, as I'm typing, is Arial. I'm still not 100% sure that parts of this message won't be sent using HTML, and I like to think I'm a fairly experienced user. I won't know for sure until it doesn't appear on the list within an hour or two. It was received in pure non-HTML, simple plain text. -- Taran Rampersad [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxgazette.com http://www.a42.com http://www.worldchanging.com http://www.knowprose.com http://www.easylum.net Criticize by creating. Michelangelo ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] admin: thoughts on changing policy re: html
As a user of screen reader software I would prefer plain text messages. However, I agree with the idea that those outside of the US and Europe or those without email clients should have the ability to participate in the DDN discussions. Is there a way to create a page on the DD.net site where those with html only email can use to send there contributions. If the form page is setup to only accept text wouldn't this be able to submit plaintext only to the list. Therefore plain text could still be the accepted format and the majority of users will have the ability to contribute. The exception will be those with emailonly access. Thomas ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
