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On 2015-01-21 22:38, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Pushed. Looks better now? -- Andrei Actually not so much. Is the site updated? -- /Jacob Carlborg
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On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 04:03:23 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Well let be honest the site was in need of some fresh air. And the new menu is really good. Congratulations. Thanks! Well it's probably time to start talking content, too. Here's another guiding thought. The site should self-consciously address the needs of the following 4 user demographics: 1. Experienced programmers, new to D. This section contains introductory material explaining D's mission or missions. 2. Beginning programmers. Material that treats D as possibly a first language. 3. Experienced D users. Reference materials. Important new facts. 4. The community. Publications, social events, news chatter. Decide on the relative importance of the different demographics (I listed them in my personal order). For each given box or button, determine which demographic(s) are served. Group items together accordingly.
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WIP: http://dump.thecybershadow.net/0ab998c7f4e2027fed300de718a4a058/013E.png That is excellent, a huge improvement!
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On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 at 14:47:09 UTC, John Colvin wrote: On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 at 14:27:23 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 at 13:38:25 UTC, MattCoder wrote: On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 at 13:28:22 UTC, Tofu Ninja wrote: On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 03:29:23 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Can we have the old menus back : Why would you want that? Usability? The new ones flicker because they don't load with the right class set. This should be done on the server. The flickering is annoying when browsing library pages. not seeing any flickering here on OS X 10.10 + Safari Neither I, Linux + FF 34.0! Matheus.
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On 1/21/15 5:28 AM, Tofu Ninja wrote: On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 03:29:23 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Can we have the old menus back : Yes: https://web.archive.org/web/20150102192528/http://dlang.org/
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On 1/21/15 5:39 AM, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 2015-01-21 08:21, Jacob Carlborg wrote: The icons need higher resolution for retina displays. Especially the expand (plus) icons in the menu. Using glyphs/text as icons, with a special font should be considered, i.e.: * Font Awesome - http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/ * Glyphicons - part of Bootstrap [1] or as regular icons [2] [1] http://getbootstrap.com/components/#glyphicons [2] http://glyphicons.com I was thinking it would be cool if each top menu entry had an icon by its left - a fat downward arrow by Download, a graduation hat by Reference, etc. With these fonts that seem to be easily doable. Any takers? -- Andrei
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On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 at 14:47:09 UTC, John Colvin wrote: On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 at 14:27:23 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 at 13:38:25 UTC, MattCoder wrote: On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 at 13:28:22 UTC, Tofu Ninja wrote: On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 03:29:23 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Can we have the old menus back : Why would you want that? Usability? The new ones flicker because they don't load with the right class set. This should be done on the server. The flickering is annoying when browsing library pages. not seeing any flickering here on OS X 10.10 + Safari It does not open the menu until after the page is loaded. And if it is not in the cache that takes a good 600ms atm.
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On 1/21/15 7:57 AM, MattCoder wrote: On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 03:29:23 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Suggestion: The font-style used in one menu differs from the other, ex: http://i.imgur.com/fRwdFNj.png Which I think it should be the same, and as you can see in the image above, some words doesn't fit in the menu width, for example: std.container.package. That's intentional - module names are rendered in tt. It's been suggested that I eliminate std. but all that may be not needed because the upcoming redesign :o). -- Andrei
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On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 03:29:23 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Suggestion: The font-style used in one menu differs from the other, ex: http://i.imgur.com/fRwdFNj.png Which I think it should be the same, and as you can see in the image above, some words doesn't fit in the menu width, for example: std.container.package. Matheus.
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On 1/21/15 6:47 AM, John Colvin wrote: On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 at 14:27:23 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 at 13:38:25 UTC, MattCoder wrote: On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 at 13:28:22 UTC, Tofu Ninja wrote: On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 03:29:23 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Can we have the old menus back : Why would you want that? Usability? The new ones flicker because they don't load with the right class set. This should be done on the server. The flickering is annoying when browsing library pages. not seeing any flickering here on OS X 10.10 + Safari I think it has to do with the menu closing and reopening every time. Easy to fix. Any takers? -- Andrei
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On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 01:30:03PM -0800, Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d wrote: On 1/21/15 12:42 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 at 07:21:44 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 2015-01-21 03:59, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Deployed. Let's thank Vladimir for this great work! -- Andrei The icons need higher resolution for retina displays. Especially the expand (plus) icons in the menu. https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/820 Nice. That said, that broke the build. That's what we get for not having an autotester... -- Andrei Yeah we need an autotester for dlang.org, if only to verify it can still build. As a nice side-effect, it could possibly also publish the result to a temporary / staging server so that reviewers can preview what the changes will look like. T -- Computers are like a jungle: they have monitor lizards, rams, mice, c-moss, binary trees... and bugs.
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On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 at 07:21:44 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 2015-01-21 03:59, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Deployed. Let's thank Vladimir for this great work! -- Andrei The icons need higher resolution for retina displays. Especially the expand (plus) icons in the menu. https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/820
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On 1/21/15 12:42 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 at 07:21:44 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 2015-01-21 03:59, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Deployed. Let's thank Vladimir for this great work! -- Andrei The icons need higher resolution for retina displays. Especially the expand (plus) icons in the menu. https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/820 Nice. That said, that broke the build. That's what we get for not having an autotester... -- Andrei
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On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 at 06:33:57 UTC, weaselcat wrote: On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 at 02:59:16 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 1/20/15 6:08 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/811 Deployed. Let's thank Vladimir for this great work! -- Andrei Looks great but I'm unable to scroll the sidebar. If I open d reference dropdown I can't view all of it. I can file q bug report in the morning if needed. Nexus 5, Firefox. Reiterating myself in case it was missed, impossible to browse the docs on mobile now.
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On 1/21/15 12:42 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 at 07:21:44 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 2015-01-21 03:59, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Deployed. Let's thank Vladimir for this great work! -- Andrei The icons need higher resolution for retina displays. Especially the expand (plus) icons in the menu. https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/820 Pushed. Looks better now? -- Andrei
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On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 at 13:39:29 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 2015-01-21 08:21, Jacob Carlborg wrote: The icons need higher resolution for retina displays. Especially the expand (plus) icons in the menu. Using glyphs/text as icons, with a special font should be considered, i.e.: * Font Awesome - http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/ * Glyphicons - part of Bootstrap [1] or as regular icons [2] [1] http://getbootstrap.com/components/#glyphicons [2] http://glyphicons.com I used font-awesome in a pull request. I see svg just replaced png for the plus icons, those could also be switched over so all icons come from one place (and look consistent). https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/816
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On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 05:50:47AM +, weaselcat via Digitalmars-d wrote: [...] Menu text also expands outside of the frame. https://i.imgur.com/oBd5HRh.png Should I file bugs for these, or just dump issues I find in this thread? Dunno, but at least for this particular problem, one solution would be to make each submodule expandable, so you'd have something like: std » range » primitives rather than the current: std » std.range.primitives which is much longer than it can be. T -- If the comments and the code disagree, it's likely that *both* are wrong. -- Christopher
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On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 04:07:02AM +, AndyC via Digitalmars-d wrote: I have not read this entire thread, so I don't know if you already know. std.csv doesn't seem to appear in the menus. Also core.sys.* is missing. The url does exist though: http://dlang.org/phobos/std_csv.html There may be others I don't know, I just happened to be searching for these specifically. [...] https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/822 T -- Debian GNU/Linux: Cray on your desktop.
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On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 at 21:27:25 UTC, weaselcat wrote: On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 at 06:33:57 UTC, weaselcat wrote: On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 at 02:59:16 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 1/20/15 6:08 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/811 Deployed. Let's thank Vladimir for this great work! -- Andrei Looks great but I'm unable to scroll the sidebar. If I open d reference dropdown I can't view all of it. I can file q bug report in the morning if needed. Nexus 5, Firefox. Reiterating myself in case it was missed, impossible to browse the docs on mobile now. Menu text also expands outside of the frame. https://i.imgur.com/oBd5HRh.png Should I file bugs for these, or just dump issues I find in this thread?
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On 1/21/15 9:50 PM, weaselcat wrote: On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 at 21:27:25 UTC, weaselcat wrote: On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 at 06:33:57 UTC, weaselcat wrote: On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 at 02:59:16 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 1/20/15 6:08 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/811 Deployed. Let's thank Vladimir for this great work! -- Andrei Looks great but I'm unable to scroll the sidebar. If I open d reference dropdown I can't view all of it. I can file q bug report in the morning if needed. Nexus 5, Firefox. Reiterating myself in case it was missed, impossible to browse the docs on mobile now. Menu text also expands outside of the frame. https://i.imgur.com/oBd5HRh.png Should I file bugs for these, or just dump issues I find in this thread? Reports please. I noticed that too. -- Andrei
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I have not read this entire thread, so I don't know if you already know. std.csv doesn't seem to appear in the menus. Also core.sys.* is missing. The url does exist though: http://dlang.org/phobos/std_csv.html There may be others I don't know, I just happened to be searching for these specifically. -Andy
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On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 03:29:23 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Can we have the old menus back :
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On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 03:29:23 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Take a look at http://dlang.org. New menus are in place for the main site and library. I think we're in a better place than before. However, there are a few things left to do. I'd very much appreciate help with those. * New docs don't yet have the new menu implemented. * Menu tracking works, i.e. if the URL a page matches a menu entry, then the menu will automatically open to that page and mark the entry active. However, that's rather simplistic; for example navigating http://dlang.org/statement.html does not open the Documentation menu because the link is not directly present. A simple and probably desirable fix would be to just make Language Reference a top-level menu entry with submenus. Could one of our awesome lieutenants see to it? * Better colors etc. are always welcome. Please submit your pull requests with screenshots so we can appreciate. Thanks, Andrei std.windows.charset results in 404, also the text for it in the side-menu overflows.
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On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 08:13:56 UTC, Jonas Drewsen wrote: On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 03:33:19 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: ... aand we already have a contender! https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/790 Looks better than dlang.org? Yeah definitely... better colors and spacing. Yes, the colors should be changed. The skinny white letters on the reddish-brown background are highly irritating. The suggested color scheme looks much better and is easier to read. Also, a minor improvement would be to make the block with the menu items as wide as the block with the compiler/D version that's above it. I think the difference in size is caused by the red border around the menu block (which is not really necessary. (I think the width of the elements is in sync in the suggestion linked to above).
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On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 at 14:27:23 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 at 13:38:25 UTC, MattCoder wrote: On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 at 13:28:22 UTC, Tofu Ninja wrote: On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 03:29:23 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Can we have the old menus back : Why would you want that? Usability? The new ones flicker because they don't load with the right class set. This should be done on the server. The flickering is annoying when browsing library pages. not seeing any flickering here on OS X 10.10 + Safari
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On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 at 13:38:25 UTC, MattCoder wrote: On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 at 13:28:22 UTC, Tofu Ninja wrote: On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 03:29:23 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Can we have the old menus back : Why would you want that? Usability? The new ones flicker because they don't load with the right class set. This should be done on the server. The flickering is annoying when browsing library pages.
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On 2015-01-21 08:21, Jacob Carlborg wrote: The icons need higher resolution for retina displays. Especially the expand (plus) icons in the menu. Using glyphs/text as icons, with a special font should be considered, i.e.: * Font Awesome - http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/ * Glyphicons - part of Bootstrap [1] or as regular icons [2] [1] http://getbootstrap.com/components/#glyphicons [2] http://glyphicons.com -- /Jacob Carlborg
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On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 at 13:28:22 UTC, Tofu Ninja wrote: On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 03:29:23 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Can we have the old menus back : Why would you want that? Matheus.
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On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 03:33:19 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: ... aand we already have a contender! https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/790 Looks better than dlang.org? Yeah definitely... better colors and spacing.
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On 1/19/15 10:29 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Take a look at http://dlang.org. New menus are in place for the main site and library. I think we're in a better place than before. However, there are a few things left to do. I'd very much appreciate help with those. * New docs don't yet have the new menu implemented. * Menu tracking works, i.e. if the URL a page matches a menu entry, then the menu will automatically open to that page and mark the entry active. However, that's rather simplistic; for example navigating http://dlang.org/statement.html does not open the Documentation menu because the link is not directly present. A simple and probably desirable fix would be to just make Language Reference a top-level menu entry with submenus. Could one of our awesome lieutenants see to it? * Better colors etc. are always welcome. Please submit your pull requests with screenshots so we can appreciate. Looks excellent! 3 issues: 1. when browsing the library, the rest of the menu disappears (i.e. the rest of the menu is gone). You can click on the D Lib 2.066.1 menu at the top to get back, but it's not obvious. There should at least be a back or home button in that menu. 2. Some of the library expansions don't fit into the column (e.g. std.windows.charset). 3. When I expand one section, the existing expanded section collapses. I hate this. First, if I want all of them open, I can't do that (this may be important on the library navigation). Second, if you have a large expanded section open, and you expand a smaller section that is below it, it sucks the menu back up above the screen, making you have to scroll up. For example, try opening std, then open core. To open core, you have to scroll way down. As soon as you open it, the menu gets sucked away. I know your response will be awaiting your PR :) I'll try and see if I can fix at least the expansion problem. The menu is a huge HUGE improvement, the old one was too subtle. -Steve
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On 1/20/15 7:36 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: I know your response will be awaiting your PR :) I'll try and see if I can fix at least the expansion problem. https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/800 -Steve
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They are a usability disaster. Try click on std then on etc. The menu disappears due to std being long.
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On 1/19/15 10:29 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: * New docs don't yet have the new menu implemented. Also forums. -Steve
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On 1/20/15 9:25 AM, Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQi?= ola.fosheim.grostad+dl...@gmail.com wrote: They are a usability disaster. Try click on std then on etc. The menu disappears due to std being long. Heh, just wrote about that. https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/800 -Steve
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Vladimir Panteleev: All expandable sections should show up as expanded when no JS is available. But currently they aren't doing that, right? Bye, bearophile
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On 1/20/15 5:25 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On 1/20/15 7:36 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: I know your response will be awaiting your PR :) I'll try and see if I can fix at least the expansion problem. https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/800 I figured if I wanted to go to core when std is open I wouldn't scroll down to find it; I'd just first close the longer menu then expand the shorter one. But no matter. Let's see how this goes. I've merged 800 and pushed the new site. Thanks, and all please let us know how it works! Andrei
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On 1/20/15 8:33 AM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 16:31:12 UTC, bearophile wrote: Vladimir Panteleev: All expandable sections should show up as expanded when no JS is available. But currently they aren't doing that, right? They are. It is working for me when I disable JS in Firefox (via about:config). If it doesn't work for you, how can I reproduce the problem? There was a bug for a while that hid everything. Might be a matter of refreshing. -- Andrei
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On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 16:33:43 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 16:31:12 UTC, bearophile wrote: Vladimir Panteleev: All expandable sections should show up as expanded when no JS is available. But currently they aren't doing that, right? They are. It is working for me when I disable JS in Firefox (via about:config). If it doesn't work for you, how can I reproduce the problem? It's broken with NoScript if dlang.org is allowed but ajax.googleapis.com is disallowed.
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On 1/20/15 11:43 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 1/20/15 5:25 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On 1/20/15 7:36 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: I know your response will be awaiting your PR :) I'll try and see if I can fix at least the expansion problem. https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/800 I figured if I wanted to go to core when std is open I wouldn't scroll down to find it; I'd just first close the longer menu then expand the shorter one. The use case is probably more like you are down on the std.datetime page reading some function signature, then realize that what you really need is core.time, so you scroll up until you see the core expander, and click on it. Just as a user experience general observation, I should not be able to click on something to see what's inside, and have it run away from sight, even if that's not the right way to do it. In any case, I see the changes and appreciate the result! Thanks. -Steve
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On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 07:21:31 UTC, Phil wrote: Pull 790 would be a big improvement . The current page also doesn't seem to be working properly. The right margin is empty except for a link to the D Twitter feed at the very top. I assume there's supposed to be a widget there showing tweets like before (although I never liked that). Perhaps an ad blocker or something similar is preventing it from showing up in your browser? See if it works in a different browser.
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On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 13:44:09 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On 1/19/15 10:29 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: * New docs don't yet have the new menu implemented. Also forums. I'll get to that once the design stabilizes.
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On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 15:41:30 UTC, bearophile wrote: Andrei Alexandrescu: I think we're in a better place than before. If the browser detects no JavaScript it can present a simpler alternative but usable menu. All expandable sections should show up as expanded when no JS is available.
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Vladimir Panteleev: If it doesn't work for you, how can I reproduce the problem? Today browsers are terribly complex, there's little hope to reproduce an environment. So never mind, ignore my precedent comment... Bye, bearophile
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Andrei Alexandrescu: I think we're in a better place than before. If the browser detects no JavaScript it can present a simpler alternative but usable menu. Bye, bearophile
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On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 16:31:12 UTC, bearophile wrote: Vladimir Panteleev: All expandable sections should show up as expanded when no JS is available. But currently they aren't doing that, right? They are. It is working for me when I disable JS in Firefox (via about:config). If it doesn't work for you, how can I reproduce the problem?
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On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 03:36:16 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 1/19/15 7:34 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 03:32:38 UTC, Rikki Cattermole wrote: Say ugh, when was the last time somebody clicked the ol' Page wiki buttons. Because atleast for intro, it doesn't exist. They don't need to all exist. The idea is to link to a page that anyone can create, and then anyone else can get to by clicking the same link in the page header. I fear that newcomers finding many of those page unpopulated would think there's no activity etc. -- Andrei I could run a script to populate them with a placeholder. These pages were numerous on the old wiki, and although we could look into migrating them, most information is likely outdated by now.
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On 1/20/15 7:41 AM, bearophile wrote: Andrei Alexandrescu: I think we're in a better place than before. If the browser detects no JavaScript it can present a simpler alternative but usable menu. Yah, it leaves all submenus open. -- Andrei
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On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 04:03:23 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Thanks! Well it's probably time to start talking content, too. Andrei Quick suggestion: The twitter feed takes up more screen space than it's worth, IMO. I think the same amount of space should be taken up by a more general (though not explicitly marked) Dynamic Content section, including: * a headline or two from latest forum discussions (possibly filtered by some heuristic), with a link to the forums * link the latest issue of This Week in D * the latest tweet, with links to more tweets Longer lived dynamic content, such as links to the conference, should still feature prominently, of course. Should I make an enhancement request?
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On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 23:49:26 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 22:49:27 UTC, ixid wrote: On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 03:29:23 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Take a look at http://dlang.org. New menus are in place for the main site and library. The site is a mess on mobile, a squashed central column and overlapping UI elements that aren't meant to. I'll see what I can do to improve the site on small screens. WIP: http://dump.thecybershadow.net/0ab998c7f4e2027fed300de718a4a058/013E.png The hamburger icon will open a side menu, like on Wikipedia and YouTube. The looking glass icon will show a search bar.
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On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 03:29:23 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Take a look at http://dlang.org. New menus are in place for the main site and library. The site is a mess on mobile, a squashed central column and overlapping UI elements that aren't meant to.
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On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 at 00:37:00 UTC, Joseph Rushton Wakeling via Digitalmars-d wrote: On 20/01/15 04:29, Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d wrote: Take a look at http://dlang.org. New menus are in place for the main site and library. Small note: the main content part of the page gets _very_ narrow on a smartphone (even with landscape view). I think this was a problem before but it's definitely a problem now. It could probably be dealt with via some kind of reactive design that places the Twitter feed underneath the side menu (or removes it entirely) if the screen width gets too narrow. On it: http://forum.dlang.org/post/egjlccktdeeqxhieq...@forum.dlang.org
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On 1/20/15 12:10 PM, Zach the Mystic wrote: On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 04:03:23 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Thanks! Well it's probably time to start talking content, too. Andrei Quick suggestion: The twitter feed takes up more screen space than it's worth, IMO. I think the same amount of space should be taken up by a more general (though not explicitly marked) Dynamic Content section, including: * a headline or two from latest forum discussions (possibly filtered by some heuristic), with a link to the forums * link the latest issue of This Week in D * the latest tweet, with links to more tweets Longer lived dynamic content, such as links to the conference, should still feature prominently, of course. Should I make an enhancement request? Yes please. I've already talked to Vladimir about some forum integration. -- Andrei
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On 20/01/15 04:29, Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d wrote: Take a look at http://dlang.org. New menus are in place for the main site and library. Small note: the main content part of the page gets _very_ narrow on a smartphone (even with landscape view). I think this was a problem before but it's definitely a problem now. It could probably be dealt with via some kind of reactive design that places the Twitter feed underneath the side menu (or removes it entirely) if the screen width gets too narrow.
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On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 21:42:52 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 1/20/15 12:10 PM, Zach the Mystic wrote: Quick suggestion: The twitter feed takes up more screen space than it's worth, IMO. I think the same amount of space should be taken up by a more general (though not explicitly marked) Dynamic Content section, including: * a headline or two from latest forum discussions (possibly filtered by some heuristic), with a link to the forums * link the latest issue of This Week in D * the latest tweet, with links to more tweets Longer lived dynamic content, such as links to the conference, should still feature prominently, of course. Should I make an enhancement request? Yes please. I've already talked to Vladimir about some forum integration. -- Andrei https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14019
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On 1/20/15 4:22 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 23:49:26 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 22:49:27 UTC, ixid wrote: On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 03:29:23 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Take a look at http://dlang.org. New menus are in place for the main site and library. The site is a mess on mobile, a squashed central column and overlapping UI elements that aren't meant to. I'll see what I can do to improve the site on small screens. WIP: http://dump.thecybershadow.net/0ab998c7f4e2027fed300de718a4a058/013E.png The hamburger icon will open a side menu, like on Wikipedia and YouTube. The looking glass icon will show a search bar. Nce... -- Andrei
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On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 23:23:25 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 23:21:48 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: 4. 3rd party packages does not show visually that it points to an external site. That's visually deceptive. Maybe we can instead get code.dlang.org to use the dlang.org theme and menu :) ;) And then it makes sense to put all those sub-site buttons as a task bar on the top. With a visual marker that shows which sub-site the current page belongs to.
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On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 16:43:43 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: pushed the new site. Thanks, and all please let us know how it works! Library menu usability issues 1. prerelease button should look like a toggle button or similar. It changes the main context and is on a different level than the other buttons (like a subsite). It should also not change size. 2. object does not show that it is selected. 3. Menu item labels are too wide. You need to add set the overflow to hidden/ellipsis, but that will make the most important portion of the name invisible. So you need to right align when needed or change the visuals. 4. 3rd party packages does not show visually that it points to an external site. That's visually deceptive. And the visuals need more work. :)
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On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 23:21:48 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: 4. 3rd party packages does not show visually that it points to an external site. That's visually deceptive. Maybe we can instead get code.dlang.org to use the dlang.org theme and menu :)
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On 21/01/2015 5:30 a.m., Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 03:36:16 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 1/19/15 7:34 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 03:32:38 UTC, Rikki Cattermole wrote: Say ugh, when was the last time somebody clicked the ol' Page wiki buttons. Because atleast for intro, it doesn't exist. They don't need to all exist. The idea is to link to a page that anyone can create, and then anyone else can get to by clicking the same link in the page header. I fear that newcomers finding many of those page unpopulated would think there's no activity etc. -- Andrei I could run a script to populate them with a placeholder. These pages were numerous on the old wiki, and although we could look into migrating them, most information is likely outdated by now. Even if they get created with a stub, its not really adding anything. De clutter the design and remove them. In my entire time in the community, I haven't heard about these buttons ever being used, let alone referred to. Worse case scenario, we find out we need them for a few pages. We can add some links in the text. No biggy.
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On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 22:49:27 UTC, ixid wrote: On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 03:29:23 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Take a look at http://dlang.org. New menus are in place for the main site and library. The site is a mess on mobile, a squashed central column and overlapping UI elements that aren't meant to. I'll see what I can do to improve the site on small screens.
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On 1/20/15 6:21 PM, Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQi?= ola.fosheim.grostad+dl...@gmail.com wrote: 3. Menu item labels are too wide. You need to add set the overflow to hidden/ellipsis, but that will make the most important portion of the name invisible. So you need to right align when needed or change the visuals. Hm.. what about: std algorithm instead of: std std.algorithm -Steve
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On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 21:42:52 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 1/20/15 12:10 PM, Zach the Mystic wrote: On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 04:03:23 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Thanks! Well it's probably time to start talking content, too. Andrei Quick suggestion: The twitter feed takes up more screen space than it's worth, IMO. I think the same amount of space should be taken up by a more general (though not explicitly marked) Dynamic Content section, including: * a headline or two from latest forum discussions (possibly filtered by some heuristic), with a link to the forums * link the latest issue of This Week in D * the latest tweet, with links to more tweets Longer lived dynamic content, such as links to the conference, should still feature prominently, of course. Should I make an enhancement request? Yes please. I've already talked to Vladimir about some forum integration. -- Andrei https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/815
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On 1/20/15 7:45 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 at 00:37:00 UTC, Joseph Rushton Wakeling via Digitalmars-d wrote: On 20/01/15 04:29, Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d wrote: Take a look at http://dlang.org. New menus are in place for the main site and library. Small note: the main content part of the page gets _very_ narrow on a smartphone (even with landscape view). I think this was a problem before but it's definitely a problem now. It could probably be dealt with via some kind of reactive design that places the Twitter feed underneath the side menu (or removes it entirely) if the screen width gets too narrow. On it: http://forum.dlang.org/post/egjlccktdeeqxhieq...@forum.dlang.org Very nice. I will note though, with the twitter feed, the middle shrinks quite a bit before the sides disappear (I agree with removing the feed on mobile screens) -Steve
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On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 at 00:45:11 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 1/20/15 4:22 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 23:49:26 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 22:49:27 UTC, ixid wrote: On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 03:29:23 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Take a look at http://dlang.org. New menus are in place for the main site and library. The site is a mess on mobile, a squashed central column and overlapping UI elements that aren't meant to. I'll see what I can do to improve the site on small screens. WIP: http://dump.thecybershadow.net/0ab998c7f4e2027fed300de718a4a058/013E.png The hamburger icon will open a side menu, like on Wikipedia and YouTube. The looking glass icon will show a search bar. Nce... -- Andrei https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/811
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On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 03:37:17 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 1/19/15 7:36 PM, Rikki Cattermole wrote: On 20/01/2015 4:34 p.m., Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 1/19/15 7:32 PM, Rikki Cattermole wrote: Say ugh, when was the last time somebody clicked the ol' Page wiki buttons. Because atleast for intro, it doesn't exist. Ah, it was part of the topics I wanted to touch. Looks like page wikis are largely unused, should we just ditch them? Andrei Yes please. If we feel the need to link/reference them on a page to page basis, we can. I would also recommend the page edit button. Switch it for a 'fork me' github ribbon [0]. [0] https://github.com/blog/273-github-ribbons This was up for a little while, then it was pulled because of reasons I don't remember. Or at least talked about. -- Andrei We still have it for the download page: http://dlang.org/download.html
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On 1/20/15 6:08 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/811 Deployed. Let's thank Vladimir for this great work! -- Andrei
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On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 at 02:59:16 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 1/20/15 6:08 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/811 Deployed. Let's thank Vladimir for this great work! -- Andrei Looks great but I'm unable to scroll the sidebar. If I open d reference dropdown I can't view all of it. I can file q bug report in the morning if needed. Nexus 5, Firefox.
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On 2015-01-21 03:59, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Deployed. Let's thank Vladimir for this great work! -- Andrei The icons need higher resolution for retina displays. Especially the expand (plus) icons in the menu. -- /Jacob Carlborg
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On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 06:59:15PM -0800, Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d wrote: On 1/20/15 6:08 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/811 Deployed. Let's thank Vladimir for this great work! -- Andrei Thanks, Vladimir! T -- Turning your clock 15 minutes ahead won't cure lateness---you're just making time go faster!
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On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 10:19:00PM -0500, Steven Schveighoffer via Digitalmars-d wrote: On 1/20/15 6:21 PM, Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQi?= ola.fosheim.grostad+dl...@gmail.com wrote: 3. Menu item labels are too wide. You need to add set the overflow to hidden/ellipsis, but that will make the most important portion of the name invisible. So you need to right align when needed or change the visuals. Hm.. what about: std algorithm instead of: std std.algorithm [...] Also, std.range.package -- shouldn't it be simply std.range (without the .package)? I thought package.d was supposed to be a transparent way to support importing an entire package, which should be an implementation detail, not something shown prominently to the user. T -- Ruby is essentially Perl minus Wall.
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On 1/20/15 10:26 PM, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote: On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 10:19:00PM -0500, Steven Schveighoffer via Digitalmars-d wrote: On 1/20/15 6:21 PM, Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQi?= ola.fosheim.grostad+dl...@gmail.com wrote: 3. Menu item labels are too wide. You need to add set the overflow to hidden/ellipsis, but that will make the most important portion of the name invisible. So you need to right align when needed or change the visuals. Hm.. what about: std algorithm instead of: std std.algorithm [...] Also, std.range.package -- shouldn't it be simply std.range (without the .package)? I thought package.d was supposed to be a transparent way to support importing an entire package, which should be an implementation detail, not something shown prominently to the user. Made my job easier... yah, we should do one more pass to clean stuff up. -- Andrei
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On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 19:11:45 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 1/20/15 8:46 AM, Kiith-Sa wrote: On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 16:33:43 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 16:31:12 UTC, bearophile wrote: Vladimir Panteleev: All expandable sections should show up as expanded when no JS is available. But currently they aren't doing that, right? They are. It is working for me when I disable JS in Firefox (via about:config). If it doesn't work for you, how can I reproduce the problem? It's broken with NoScript if dlang.org is allowed but ajax.googleapis.com is disallowed. We have a bug report from China where google is blocked. Any other point we can load jQuery from? -- Andrei Yes, the jQuery CDN, or locally.
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On 1/20/15 8:46 AM, Kiith-Sa wrote: On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 16:33:43 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 16:31:12 UTC, bearophile wrote: Vladimir Panteleev: All expandable sections should show up as expanded when no JS is available. But currently they aren't doing that, right? They are. It is working for me when I disable JS in Firefox (via about:config). If it doesn't work for you, how can I reproduce the problem? It's broken with NoScript if dlang.org is allowed but ajax.googleapis.com is disallowed. We have a bug report from China where google is blocked. Any other point we can load jQuery from? -- Andrei
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On 1/19/15 7:51 PM, MattCoder wrote: On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 03:29:23 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Take a look at http://dlang.org. New menus are in place for the main site and library. Well let be honest the site was in need of some fresh air. And the new menu is really good. Congratulations. Thanks! Well it's probably time to start talking content, too. https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/792/. Andrei
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Take a look at http://dlang.org. New menus are in place for the main site and library. I think we're in a better place than before. However, there are a few things left to do. I'd very much appreciate help with those. * New docs don't yet have the new menu implemented. * Menu tracking works, i.e. if the URL a page matches a menu entry, then the menu will automatically open to that page and mark the entry active. However, that's rather simplistic; for example navigating http://dlang.org/statement.html does not open the Documentation menu because the link is not directly present. A simple and probably desirable fix would be to just make Language Reference a top-level menu entry with submenus. Could one of our awesome lieutenants see to it? * Better colors etc. are always welcome. Please submit your pull requests with screenshots so we can appreciate. Thanks, Andrei
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On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 03:29:23 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Take a look at http://dlang.org. New menus are in place for the main site and library. Well let be honest the site was in need of some fresh air. And the new menu is really good. Congratulations. Matheus.
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On 1/19/15 7:36 PM, Rikki Cattermole wrote: On 20/01/2015 4:34 p.m., Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 1/19/15 7:32 PM, Rikki Cattermole wrote: Say ugh, when was the last time somebody clicked the ol' Page wiki buttons. Because atleast for intro, it doesn't exist. Ah, it was part of the topics I wanted to touch. Looks like page wikis are largely unused, should we just ditch them? Andrei Yes please. If we feel the need to link/reference them on a page to page basis, we can. I would also recommend the page edit button. Switch it for a 'fork me' github ribbon [0]. [0] https://github.com/blog/273-github-ribbons This was up for a little while, then it was pulled because of reasons I don't remember. Or at least talked about. -- Andrei
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On 1/19/15 7:34 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 03:32:38 UTC, Rikki Cattermole wrote: Say ugh, when was the last time somebody clicked the ol' Page wiki buttons. Because atleast for intro, it doesn't exist. They don't need to all exist. The idea is to link to a page that anyone can create, and then anyone else can get to by clicking the same link in the page header. I fear that newcomers finding many of those page unpopulated would think there's no activity etc. -- Andrei
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On 20/01/2015 4:36 p.m., Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 1/19/15 7:34 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 03:32:38 UTC, Rikki Cattermole wrote: Say ugh, when was the last time somebody clicked the ol' Page wiki buttons. Because atleast for intro, it doesn't exist. They don't need to all exist. The idea is to link to a page that anyone can create, and then anyone else can get to by clicking the same link in the page header. I fear that newcomers finding many of those page unpopulated would think there's no activity etc. -- Andrei Lets be honest here. If changes need to occur to those pages, they get PR'd and fixed. They don't get discussed on the wiki. They'll get discussed on the N.G. So I'm 100% in agreement with Andrei, it'll cause more problems then its worth. Plus it makes it look like its a CMS, no thanks.. its not.
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On 20/01/2015 4:34 p.m., Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 1/19/15 7:32 PM, Rikki Cattermole wrote: Say ugh, when was the last time somebody clicked the ol' Page wiki buttons. Because atleast for intro, it doesn't exist. Ah, it was part of the topics I wanted to touch. Looks like page wikis are largely unused, should we just ditch them? Andrei Yes please. If we feel the need to link/reference them on a page to page basis, we can. I would also recommend the page edit button. Switch it for a 'fork me' github ribbon [0]. [0] https://github.com/blog/273-github-ribbons
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On 20/01/2015 4:40 p.m., Rikki Cattermole wrote: On 20/01/2015 4:37 p.m., Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 1/19/15 7:36 PM, Rikki Cattermole wrote: On 20/01/2015 4:34 p.m., Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 1/19/15 7:32 PM, Rikki Cattermole wrote: Say ugh, when was the last time somebody clicked the ol' Page wiki buttons. Because atleast for intro, it doesn't exist. Ah, it was part of the topics I wanted to touch. Looks like page wikis are largely unused, should we just ditch them? Andrei Yes please. If we feel the need to link/reference them on a page to page basis, we can. I would also recommend the page edit button. Switch it for a 'fork me' github ribbon [0]. [0] https://github.com/blog/273-github-ribbons This was up for a little while, then it was pulled because of reasons I don't remember. Or at least talked about. -- Andrei That would have been before my time then. I can understand it would interfere with twitter/mobile and pdf ext. generation. The only reason I suggest it is because it is what people expect these days. And would advertise that we are passionately open source. I've just tested this client side. Using [0] ribbon implementation. And the effect it causes [1]. No real interference. Its nice. [0] https://github.com/simonwhitaker/github-fork-ribbon-css [1] https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-EiBquZktsLXzZqdkFoWnZ4ZUk/view?usp=sharing P.S. I've messaged you Andrei. Slight problem with twitter api usage. (http connection vs twitter specified by https).
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On 20/01/2015 4:37 p.m., Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 1/19/15 7:36 PM, Rikki Cattermole wrote: On 20/01/2015 4:34 p.m., Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 1/19/15 7:32 PM, Rikki Cattermole wrote: Say ugh, when was the last time somebody clicked the ol' Page wiki buttons. Because atleast for intro, it doesn't exist. Ah, it was part of the topics I wanted to touch. Looks like page wikis are largely unused, should we just ditch them? Andrei Yes please. If we feel the need to link/reference them on a page to page basis, we can. I would also recommend the page edit button. Switch it for a 'fork me' github ribbon [0]. [0] https://github.com/blog/273-github-ribbons This was up for a little while, then it was pulled because of reasons I don't remember. Or at least talked about. -- Andrei That would have been before my time then. I can understand it would interfere with twitter/mobile and pdf ext. generation. The only reason I suggest it is because it is what people expect these days. And would advertise that we are passionately open source.
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On 20/01/2015 4:29 p.m., Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Take a look at http://dlang.org. New menus are in place for the main site and library. I think we're in a better place than before. However, there are a few things left to do. I'd very much appreciate help with those. * New docs don't yet have the new menu implemented. * Menu tracking works, i.e. if the URL a page matches a menu entry, then the menu will automatically open to that page and mark the entry active. However, that's rather simplistic; for example navigating http://dlang.org/statement.html does not open the Documentation menu because the link is not directly present. A simple and probably desirable fix would be to just make Language Reference a top-level menu entry with submenus. Could one of our awesome lieutenants see to it? * Better colors etc. are always welcome. Please submit your pull requests with screenshots so we can appreciate. Thanks, Andrei Say ugh, when was the last time somebody clicked the ol' Page wiki buttons. Because atleast for intro, it doesn't exist.
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On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 03:32:38 UTC, Rikki Cattermole wrote: Say ugh, when was the last time somebody clicked the ol' Page wiki buttons. Because atleast for intro, it doesn't exist. They don't need to all exist. The idea is to link to a page that anyone can create, and then anyone else can get to by clicking the same link in the page header.
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... aand we already have a contender! https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/790 Looks better than dlang.org? Andrei
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On 1/19/15 7:32 PM, Rikki Cattermole wrote: Say ugh, when was the last time somebody clicked the ol' Page wiki buttons. Because atleast for intro, it doesn't exist. Ah, it was part of the topics I wanted to touch. Looks like page wikis are largely unused, should we just ditch them? Andrei
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Pull 790 would be a big improvement . The current page also doesn't seem to be working properly. The right margin is empty except for a link to the D Twitter feed at the very top. I assume there's supposed to be a widget there showing tweets like before (although I never liked that). On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 04:03:23 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 1/19/15 7:51 PM, MattCoder wrote: On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 at 03:29:23 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Take a look at http://dlang.org. New menus are in place for the main site and library. Well let be honest the site was in need of some fresh air. And the new menu is really good. Congratulations. Thanks! Well it's probably time to start talking content, too. https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/792/. Andrei
