[digitalradio] PSKmail: jPSKmail-0.5.4 installers now available a

[Andy obrien]

PSKmail: jPSKmail-0.5.4 installers now available at
http://www.crusefalk.se/jpskmailinstall/ , including the new scanner (
http://pskmail.wikispaces.com/Client_scanning ).
jPSKmail installers

[digitalradio] PSKMail -- Path Tests Revisited [3 Attachments]

[Tony]

John,

See attached.

Tony -K2MO



*Minimum SNR (white noise)*

PSK250 -2db
MFSK32   -8db
PSK250R  -7db

*Simulation: NVIS  SNR +3db*

ModeCopy

PSK250 62%
MFSK32  100%
PSK250R   61%

*Simulation: Selective Fading* *SNR -3db*

PSK250  67%
MFSK16 95%
PSK250R76%

*Simulation: CCIR POOR *

*SNR  +3db*
PSK25089%
MFSK32  99%
PSK250R 82%

*SNR -3db*
PSK25065%
MFSK32   97%
PSK250R  61%


*SNR  -10db*
PSK25033%
MFSK32   46%
PSK250R  27%

Re: [digitalradio] pskmail help!

[Alan Wilson]

I have my beacon on so if someone hears it please let me know...least I 
know that part is working...Alan

Re: [digitalradio] pskmail help!

[Alan Wilson]

I'm back and pinging but no cigar so to speak...Alan

Re: [digitalradio] pskmail help!

[Rein Couperus]

It depends, if the server has RxID on the mode does not 
have to be specific, unless the RSID twiddle is too weak for the 
server to react. Also think about using a slower mode until you
are connected...  I often use MFSK16 to connect, with PSK500 on the 
download link (PSK250 in US). MFSK16 is a lot more sensitive than 
PSK250...

Ping uses short frames, which have the best 
chance of getting through... It shows you if a server can hear you.
It also depends if the server has been upgraded to version 1.0.0, older 
versions did not support multimode properly, they are fixed on PSK250.

So, get in touch with the sysops!

73,

Rein PA0R

>Ok, thank I'll chane it to 250If I ping at 500 and the servers are 
>on 250 will they come back to me or do I have to be in mode specific? 
>thanks, Alan
>
>
>
>
>http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>Chat, Skeds, and "spots" all in one (resize to suit)Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] pskmail help!

[Russell Blair]

Alan, it looks by you last email your a user, Freds server (WB5CON) took me to 
PSK250, my ping was at PSK500R. I will set here for a few mins and see if I 
hear you ping?.

Russell NC5O 
 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door!
2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to 
take everything you have. 
- Gerald Ford 


" IN GOD WE TRUST " 


Russell Blair (NC5O)
Skype-Russell.Blair
Hell Field #300
DRCC #55
30m Dig-group #693 





From: Russell Blair 
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 12:14:07 PM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] pskmail help!

  
Alan, I went up to 10147.00 and sent a ping out and Fred came back to my ping 
he on my radio at 10146.97 but I can connect to him, I you did not respond to 
my ping, the band could be short and you just not making it down to Texas.

Russell NC5O
 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door!
2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to 
take everything you have. 
- Gerald Ford 


" IN GOD WE TRUST " 


Russell Blair (NC5O)
Skype-Russell. Blair
Hell Field #300
DRCC #55
30m Dig-group #693 





From: Alan 
To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 10:52:27 AM
Subject: [digitalradio] pskmail help!

  
Ok guys I'm on 10147.00 usb D with the 746pro sending pings...in psk500 mode 
from western montana. Should my waterfall be on 1000? or what...I've tried to 
commect to ve7sun but nothing. I've heard a couple of weak sig out there. I'd 
love to get this going.now what? 73, Alan






  

Re: [digitalradio] pskmail help!

[Russell Blair]

Alan, I went up to 10147.00 and sent a ping out and Fred came back to my ping 
he on my radio at 10146.97 but I can connect to him, I you did not respond to 
my ping, the band could be short and you just not making it down to Texas.

Russell NC5O
 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door!
2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to 
take everything you have. 
- Gerald Ford 


" IN GOD WE TRUST " 


Russell Blair (NC5O)
Skype-Russell.Blair
Hell Field #300
DRCC #55
30m Dig-group #693 





From: Alan 
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 10:52:27 AM
Subject: [digitalradio] pskmail help!

  
Ok guys I'm on 10147.00 usb D with the 746pro sending pings...in psk500 mode 
from western montana. Should my waterfall be on 1000? or what...I've tried to 
commect to ve7sun but nothing. I've heard a couple of weak sig out there. I'd 
love to get this going.now what? 73, Alan





  

Re: [digitalradio] pskmail help!

[Alan Wilson]

Ok, thank I'll chane it to 250If I ping at 500 and the servers are 
on 250 will they come back to me or do I have to be in mode specific? 
thanks, Alan

Re: [digitalradio] pskmail help!

[Rein Couperus]

You won't get far with PSK500, as most US servers 
listen on PSK250 as default.

You could try the pskmail mailing lists where the server sysops 
hang out..: http://www.freelists.org/archive/pskmail

You may end up organizing your own server that  is how we did it in 
Europe...

For frequencies see:
http://pskmail.wikispaces.com/PSKmailservers
there you see the servers are either on PSK250 or on THOR22..

73,

Rein PA0R

>Ok guys I'm on 10147.00 usb D with the 746pro sending pings...in psk500 mode 
>from western montana. Should my waterfall be on 1000? or what...I've tried to 
>commect to ve7sun but nothing. I've heard a couple of weak sig out there. I'd 
>love to get this going.now what? 73, Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>Chat, Skeds, and "spots" all in one (resize to suit)Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

[digitalradio] pskmail help!

[Alan]

Ok guys I'm on 10147.00 usb D with the 746pro sending pings...in psk500 mode 
from western montana. Should my waterfall be on 1000? or what...I've tried to 
commect to ve7sun but nothing. I've heard a couple of weak sig out there. I'd 
love to get this going.now what? 73, Alan

Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail

[Per]

Why not ask where the server sysops hang out? I mean the pskmail mailing list.
Have a look here: http://www.freelists.org/archive/pskmail
Here in europe we have plenty of servers but at the moment I see only two 
active servers in north america: 
http://hermes.esrac.ele.tue.nl/maps/pskmailers.php
Hang in there, it works great when you actually have a path to a server 


73 de Per, sm0rwo






From: Alan 
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, March 12, 2010 10:26:08 PM
Subject: [digitalradio] PSKMail

  
Hi all, I've tried to connect to any server and I've yet to connect. Maybe 
being here in western montana running a 160 loop has something to do with it. 
But, I do lots of psk qso's and a few other digi modes. I think I have 
everything setup but never can connect...It looks like a good thing but is 
getting frustrated trying to use pskmail...just venting..73, Alan


 


  

[digitalradio] PSKMail

[Alan]

Hi all, I've tried to connect to any server and I've yet to connect. Maybe 
being here in western montana running a 160 loop has something to do with it. 
But, I do lots of psk qso's and a few other digi modes. I think I have 
everything setup but never can connect...It looks like a good thing but is 
getting frustrated trying to use pskmail...just venting..73, Alan

Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail to/from Haiti : Frequencies

[Andy obrien]

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Russell Blair
 wrote:
>
>
>
> Andy, what frequency should I put my puppymail server on so it can be used.
>
> Russell NC5O
>


I would guess 40 and 20 would be the best , Russell,

Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail to/from Haiti (or neighbouring countries) ?

[W6IDS]

Andy, is this the time when we see how effective or useful ALE and, since 
you
mentioned it, PSKmail are?  WL2K?  Haitian stations actually up and able to
operate not withstanding.  Are there any ALEs, WL2K, etc etc there operating
in the past, involving Haiti or have had access to?  Just wondering.

We're all waiting for the important OUTBOUND H&W traffic (not inbound)
and it will be of great interest to see how this initially plays out for 
ultimate
study.

Howard W6IDS
Richmond, IN  Em79

- Original Message - 
From: "Andy obrien" 
To: "digitalradio" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:45 PM
Subject: [digitalradio] PSKmail to/from Haiti (or neighbouring countries) ?


> Any use of Pskmail related to the emergency in Haiti ?  Seems that is
> is tailor made for such a situation.  Short hops from Haiti to servers
> on HF
>
> Andy K3UK

Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail to/from Haiti (or neighbouring countries) ?

[Russell Blair]

Andy, what frequency should I put my puppymail server on so it can be used. 

Russell NC5O 
 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door!
2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to 
take everything you have. 
- Thomas Jefferson 


" IN GOD WE TRUST " 


Russell Blair (NC5O)
Skype-Russell.Blair
Hell Field #300
DRCC #55
30m Dig-group #693 





From: Andy obrien 
To: digitalradio 
Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 4:45:04 PM
Subject: [digitalradio] PSKmail to/from Haiti (or neighbouring countries) ?

  
Any use of Pskmail related to the emergency in Haiti ? Seems that is
is tailor made for such a situation. Short hops from Haiti to servers
on HF

Andy K3UK




  

[digitalradio] PSKmail to/from Haiti (or neighbouring countries) ?

[Andy obrien]

Any use of Pskmail related to the emergency in Haiti ?  Seems that is
is tailor made for such a situation.  Short hops from Haiti to servers
on HF

Andy K3UK

[digitalradio] PSKMAIL Servers list

[obrienaj]

The list of PSKmail servers is at 

http://pskmail.wikispaces.com/PSKmailservers

The K3UK server will use this list to post the current QRG for K3UK.  I will 
mostly be on 10148 (dial 10147 plus 1000Hz on waterfall) during the day and 
evening and switch to 3588 (3587 plus 1000Hz) at night to dawn USA, east 
coast).  If I deviate to other bands for experiments with the server, I will 
post the details at http://pskmail.wikispaces.com/PSKmailservers

The mode will also be posted.

73 de Andy K3UK

[digitalradio] PSKmail server no longer on 20m

[Russell Blair]

Sorry I have turned off the server, I'm how testing with Tony on 30m on his 
server, but 30m is very noisey for me.

Russell
 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door!
2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to 
take everything you have. 
- Thomas Jefferson 


" IN GOD WE TRUST " 


Russell Blair (NC5O)
Skype-Russell.Blair
Hell Field #300
DRCC #55
30m Dig-group #693 


  

[digitalradio] PSKmail Server 20m

[Russell Blair]

I'm back home FLdigi had stop working, so it now running and the mode is 
PSK250, 20m at 14116 on my dial.

Russell NC5O  
 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door!
2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to 
take everything you have. 
- Thomas Jefferson 


" IN GOD WE TRUST " 


Russell Blair (NC5O)
Skype-Russell.Blair
Hell Field #300
DRCC #55
30m Dig-group #693 


  

Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O

[Tony]

Russell,

No rush...

Tony -K2MO


- Original Message - 
From: "Russell Blair" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O


Well Tony, I misspoke about the AFC being on because in THOR22 you cant set 
the AFC is grayed out. I want be back home till sunday after noon and then I 
can check things better. Avery thing should be fine other I have not had 
anyone to connect to me via thor22 before it has always been PSK250, I'm 
working on getting the server upgraded to the next version, then it will use 
RSID and change to the mode of the client. but I dont know Linux very will 
and I'm getting help doing the update , hope to have it soon and the new 
version of FLDIGI as well.

Russell
1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door!
2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough 
to take everything you have.
- Thomas Jefferson


" IN GOD WE TRUST "


Russell Blair (NC5O)
Skype-Russell.Blair
Hell Field #300
DRCC #55
30m Dig-group #693





From: Tony 
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 6:29:47 PM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O


Russell,

> Are you able to copy my server when it pings avery 15 mins.

Yes, just came through at 23:15 (00uNC5O:72 Pskmail 0.8.7 - 23:15:20 66E5) 
but I'm not able to connect. Signal is very strong.

Tony -K2MO



- Original Message - 
From: "Russell Blair" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O
Tony, yes I left it on, I'm up at the CHOCTAW CASINOS for a few days. Are 
you able to copy my server when it pings avery 15 mins.

Russell
1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door!
2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough 
to take everything you have.
- Thomas Jefferson


" IN GOD WE TRUST "


Russell Blair (NC5O)
Skype-Russell. Blair
Hell Field #300
DRCC #55
30m Dig-group #693




 _ _ __
From: Tony 
To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 4:13:27 PM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O


Russell,

> the server will be online 20m 14116 THOR22

Tried a few times on 14116.0 dial +1000Hz -- nothing heard yet. I'm assuming 
the AFC is on?

Thanks,

Tony -K2MO

Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O

[Hal]

On 10-17, Alan Wilson wrote:
> Russell, I tried connecting to you yesterday evening from here in western
> montana, never heard a thing... I set the mode to thor22. I've been trying
> to get pskmail going, but no luck so far on 30 or 20 meters...Maybe I'm
> doing something wrong..dunno...73, Alan
> 

Have you tried WB5CON on dial 10147.000 USB +1000Hz audio,
PSK250?? His signal arrives here in Northern WV almost 100% of the
time.. (During the day for sure.)

If you're only interested in Thor22; just disregard this..
-- 

Vy 73 de Hal--W8MCHUNIX-GNU/Linux - Slackware 11.0, 2.4.33.3
.

Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O

[Alan Wilson]

Russell, I tried connecting to you yesterday evening from here in western
montana, never heard a thing... I set the mode to thor22. I've been trying
to get pskmail going, but no luck so far on 30 or 20 meters...Maybe I'm
doing something wrong..dunno...73, Alan

On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Russell Blair wrote:

>
>
>  Well Tony, I misspoke about the AFC being on because in THOR22 you cant
> set the AFC is grayed out. I want be back home till sunday after noon and
> then I can check things better. Avery thing should be fine other I have not
> had anyone to connect to me via thor22 before it has always been PSK250, I'm
> working on getting the server upgraded to the next version, then it will use
> RSID and change to the mode of the client. but I dont know Linux very
> will and I'm getting help doing the update , hope to have it soon and the
> new version of FLDIGI as well.
>
> Russell
>
> 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving
> door!
> 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong
> enough to take everything you have.
> - Thomas Jefferson
>
>
> " IN GOD WE TRUST "
>
>
> Russell Blair (NC5O)
> Skype-Russell.Blair
> Hell Field #300
> DRCC #55
> 30m Dig-group #693
>
>  --
> *From:* Tony 
> *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Fri, October 16, 2009 6:29:47 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O
>
>
>
> Russell,
>
> > Are you able to copy my server when it pings avery 15 mins.
>
> Yes, just came through at 23:15 (00uNC5O:72 Pskmail 0.8.7 - 23:15:20 66E5)
> but I'm not able to connect. Signal is very strong.
>
> Tony -K2MO
>
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Russell Blair"  yahoo.com >
> To: >
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 6:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O
>
> Tony, yes I left it on, I'm up at the CHOCTAW CASINOS for a few days. Are
> you able to copy my server when it pings avery 15 mins.
>
> Russell
> 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving
> door!
> 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong
> enough to take everything you have.
> - Thomas Jefferson
>
>
> " IN GOD WE TRUST "
>
>
> Russell Blair (NC5O)
> Skype-Russell. Blair
> Hell Field #300
> DRCC #55
> 30m Dig-group #693
>
>
>
>
>  _ _ __
> From: Tony >
> To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com 
> Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 4:13:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O
>
>
> Russell,
>
> > the server will be online 20m 14116 THOR22
>
> Tried a few times on 14116.0 dial +1000Hz -- nothing heard yet. I'm
> assuming the AFC is on?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tony -K2MO
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>



-- 
Quote for the day: ".Light travels faster than sound.  That's why some
people appear bright until you hear them speak."

Alan Wilson
67 Bullseye Lane
Victor, MT 59875
http://montanaham.tripod.com

Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O

[Russell Blair]

Well Tony, I misspoke about the AFC being on because in THOR22 you cant set the 
AFC is grayed out. I want be back home till sunday after noon and then I can 
check things better. Avery thing should be fine other I have not had anyone to 
connect to me via thor22 before it has always been PSK250, I'm working on 
getting the server upgraded to the next version, then it will use RSID and 
change to the mode of the client. but I dont know Linux very will and I'm 
getting help doing the update , hope to have it soon and the new version of 
FLDIGI as well.

Russell
 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door!
2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to 
take everything you have. 
- Thomas Jefferson 


" IN GOD WE TRUST " 


Russell Blair (NC5O)
Skype-Russell.Blair
Hell Field #300
DRCC #55
30m Dig-group #693 





From: Tony 
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 6:29:47 PM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O

  
Russell, 
 
> Are you able to copy my server when it pings avery 15 mins.
 
Yes, just came through at 23:15 (00uNC5O:72 Pskmail 0.8.7 - 23:15:20 66E5) but 
I'm not able to connect. Signal is very strong.  
 
Tony -K2MO
 
 
 
- Original Message - 
From: "Russell Blair" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O
Tony, yes I left it on, I'm up at the CHOCTAW CASINOS for a few days. Are you 
able to copy my server when it pings avery 15 mins.

Russell 
1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door!
2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to 
take everything you have. 
- Thomas Jefferson 


" IN GOD WE TRUST " 


Russell Blair (NC5O)
Skype-Russell. Blair
Hell Field #300
DRCC #55
30m Dig-group #693 




 _ _ __
From: Tony 
To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 4:13:27 PM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O


Russell, 

> the server will be online 20m 14116 THOR22

Tried a few times on 14116.0 dial +1000Hz -- nothing heard yet. I'm assuming 
the AFC is on? 

Thanks, 

Tony -K2MO








  

Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O

[Tony]

Russell, 

> Are you able to copy my server when it pings avery 15 mins.

Yes, just came through at 23:15 (00uNC5O:72 Pskmail 0.8.7 - 23:15:20 66E5) but 
I'm not able to connect. Signal is very strong.  

Tony -K2MO



- Original Message - 
From: "Russell Blair" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O


Tony, yes I left it on, I'm up at the CHOCTAW CASINOS for a few days. Are you 
able to copy my server when it pings avery 15 mins.

Russell 
1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door!
2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to 
take everything you have. 
- Thomas Jefferson 


" IN GOD WE TRUST " 


Russell Blair (NC5O)
Skype-Russell.Blair
Hell Field #300
DRCC #55
30m Dig-group #693 





From: Tony 
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 4:13:27 PM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O


Russell, 

> the server will be online 20m 14116 THOR22

Tried a few times on 14116.0 dial +1000Hz -- nothing heard yet. I'm assuming 
the AFC is on? 

Thanks, 

Tony -K2MO

Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O

[Russell Blair]

Tony, yes I left it on, I'm up at the CHOCTAW CASINOS for a few days. Are you 
able to copy my server when it pings avery 15 mins.

Russell 
 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door!
2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to 
take everything you have. 
- Thomas Jefferson 


" IN GOD WE TRUST " 


Russell Blair (NC5O)
Skype-Russell.Blair
Hell Field #300
DRCC #55
30m Dig-group #693 





From: Tony 
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 4:13:27 PM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O

  
Russell, 
 
> the server will be online 20m 14116 THOR22
 
Tried a few times on 14116.0 dial +1000Hz -- nothing heard yet. I'm assuming 
the AFC is on?  
 
Thanks, 
 
Tony -K2MO
 



  

Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O

[Tony]

Russell, 

> the server will be online 20m 14116 THOR22

Tried a few times on 14116.0 dial +1000Hz -- nothing heard yet. I'm assuming 
the AFC is on?  

Thanks, 

Tony -K2MO

[digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O

[Russell Blair]

I am off for the next three days and the server will be online 20m 14116 to be 
up band from the WINMOR testing. Mode will be THOR22. it on now..

Russell NC5O
 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door!
2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to 
take everything you have. 
- Thomas Jefferson 


" IN GOD WE TRUST " 


Russell Blair (NC5O)
Skype-Russell.Blair
Hell Field #300
DRCC #55
30m Dig-group #693 


  

[digitalradio] PSKmail Server 20m

[Russell Blair]

Sorry I had to take the server off line due to bad weather, its back on 14.116 
in THOR22 mode

Russell
 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door!
2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to 
take everything you have. 
- Thomas Jefferson 


" IN GOD WE TRUST " 


Russell Blair (NC5O)
Skype-Russell.Blair
Hell Field #300
DRCC #55
30m Dig-group #693 


  

[digitalradio] PSKmail Server 20m

[Russell Blair]

Due to the on going test on WINMOR my PSKmail server is on 14.116 on my dial, 
and the mode is THOR22. I will be here for the rest of the day.

Russell 
 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door!
2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to 
take everything you have. 
- Thomas Jefferson 


" IN GOD WE TRUST " 


Russell Blair (NC5O)
Skype-Russell.Blair
Hell Field #300
DRCC #55
30m Dig-group #693 


  

[digitalradio] PSKmail server 20m

[Russell Blair]

My server has been mover to 14.114 and the mode is THOR22.

Russell
 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door!
2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to 
take everything you have. 
- Thomas Jefferson 


" IN GOD WE TRUST " 


Russell Blair (NC5O)
Skype-Russell.Blair
Hell Field #300
DRCC #55
30m Dig-group #693 


  

[digitalradio] PSKmail server on 30m

[Russell Blair]

My PSKmail server back on 30m, and David give me a call on skype if you can 
help in the upgrades.

Russell
1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door!
2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to 
take everything you have. 
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Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server What mode ? (Tony)

[Russell Blair]

Tony, Ok I have to go to calss today but I will put the server on line before I 
leave for class, When I update to the next version of server it will be able to 
change via RSID from the client. what aver mode the client is on the server 
will change, but I'm not there yet.
 
Russell

1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door!
2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to 
take everything you have. 
- Thomas Jefferson

" IN GOD WE TRUST " 

Russell Blair (NC5O)
Skype-Russell.Blair
Hell Field #300
DRCC #55
30m Dig-group #693

--- On Sat, 10/10/09, Tony  wrote:


From: Tony 
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server What mode ? (Tony)
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 2:16 AM


  



Russell,

The THOR22 mode should do fine. I guess the QSY TRAFFIC option doesn't allow 
the user to switch modes on demand? Thanks for putting the server up for 
testing Russell.

Tony -K2MO

















  

Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server What mode ? (Tony)

[Rein Couperus]

'QSY'  traffic is used on some servers to use a separate frequency for arq 
traffic.
On receipt of the QSY command the server will jump to that frequency. Mode will 
not switch.

There are 3 ways to switch modes:

* By using RSIDtx on the client and RSIDrx on the server...
The server needs fldigi-3.13 for that which has not yet been released.
On earlier fldigi versions RSIDrx will work only once on the server.

* By choosing the right minuteto connect  a scanning server
Some servers scan different frequencies/modes. Scan period is 
5 minutes, so minutes are 0,1,2,3 and 4.
See http://pskmail.wikispaces.com/PSKmailservers for the schedule

* By switching modes on- the-fly during a connected session.
Just hit the mode you want in the Modes menu., and the client will 
send a mode switch command to the server.
The server will acknowledge the command and switch to the other mode.
Modes available on client jpskmail 3.8 beta are THOR8, THOR11, THOR16,
THOR22,, MFSK16, MFSK32, BPSK63, BPSK125, BPSK250 (default).
This is still experimental, and requires some experience :)

73,

Rein PA0R

> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: "Tony" 
> Gesendet: 10.10.09 09:16:37
> An: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server What mode ? (Tony)


> Russell,
> 
> The THOR22 mode should do fine. I guess the QSY TRAFFIC option doesn't allow 
> the user to switch modes on demand? Thanks for putting the server up for 
> testing Russell.
> 
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Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server What mode ? (Tony)

[Tony]

Russell,

The THOR22 mode should do fine. I guess the QSY TRAFFIC option doesn't allow 
the user to switch modes on demand? Thanks for putting the server up for 
testing Russell.

Tony -K2MO

Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server What mode ? (Tony)

[Russell Blair]

Tony what other mode would like to try, 
 
Russell

1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door!
2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to 
take everything you have. 
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--- On Fri, 10/9/09, Tony  wrote:


From: Tony 
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server on 80m
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 4:21 PM


  




Russell,
 
Connected to your PSK Mail server on 14114 today - thanks for turning it on. 
There wasn't enough signal to decode consistently in PSK250 and I was wondering 
if the QSY TRAFFIC setting would allow your station to respond to the other 
more robust modes in PSK Mail?   
 
I'll give it another try this evening after 2230z. 
 
Thanks again. 
 
Tony, K2MO
 
- Original Message - 
From: "Russell Blair" 
To: "Digital Radio" 
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:57 PM
Subject: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server on 80m

> KF4WBS, has a PSKmail server on 3.588, this server can handle multi mode 
> using RSID give him a try when the other bands are gone, it's up most of the 
> time, for my server on 20m we have some bad weather comming in before I get 
> home from work so it comming down.
> 
> Russell NC5O
> 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door!
> 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough 
> to take everything you have. 
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> 
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Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server on 80m

[Tony]

Russell,

Connected to your PSK Mail server on 14114 today - thanks for turning it on. 
There wasn't enough signal to decode consistently in PSK250 and I was wondering 
if the QSY TRAFFIC setting would allow your station to respond to the other 
more robust modes in PSK Mail?   

I'll give it another try this evening after 2230z. 

Thanks again. 

Tony, K2MO
 
- Original Message - 
From: "Russell Blair" 
To: "Digital Radio" 
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:57 PM
Subject: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server on 80m


> KF4WBS, has a PSKmail server on 3.588, this server can handle multi mode 
> using RSID give him a try when the other bands are gone, it's up most of the 
> time, for my server on 20m we have some bad weather comming in before I get 
> home from work so it comming down.
> 
> Russell NC5O
> 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door!
> 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough 
> to take everything you have. 
> - Thomas Jefferson
> 
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[digitalradio] PSKmail Server (NC5O)

[Russell Blair]

My pskmail server is on 20m 14.114.

Russell NC5O
1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door!
2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to 
take everything you have. 
- Thomas Jefferson

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[digitalradio] PSKmail server on 3.588 via KF4WBS David Gray

[Russell Blair]

He on SKYPE as KF4WBS he knows a lot about PSKmail server and how it works.

Russell

1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door!
2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to 
take everything you have. 
- Thomas Jefferson

" IN GOD WE TRUST " 

Russell Blair (NC5O)
  Skype-Russell.Blair
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  30m Dig-group #693


  

[digitalradio] PSKmail Server on 80m

[Russell Blair]

KF4WBS, has a PSKmail server on 3.588, this server can handle multi mode using 
RSID give him a try when the other bands are gone, it's up most of the time, 
for my server on 20m we have some bad weather comming in before I get home from 
work so it comming down.

Russell NC5O
1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door!
2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to 
take everything you have. 
- Thomas Jefferson

" IN GOD WE TRUST " 

Russell Blair (NC5O)
  Skype-Russell.Blair
  Hell Field #300
  DRCC #55
  30m Dig-group #693


  

RE: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server on 20m

[Russell Blair]

Fred, the server will ID at the top of the hour and 15,30,45 min fater the hour 
PSK250, now that 14.114 on my dial it maybe +/- on your dial.
 
Russell NC5O

1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door!
2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to 
take everything you have. 
- Thomas Jefferson

" IN GOD WE TRUST " 

Russell Blair (NC5O)
Skype-Russell.Blair
Hell Field #300
DRCC #55
30m Dig-group #693

--- On Thu, 10/8/09, Fred VE3FAL  wrote:


From: Fred VE3FAL 
Subject: RE: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server on 20m
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 10:12 AM


  



I am listening on 14.114 but see nothing as of yet

Fred
VE3FAL

-Original Message-
From: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com] On
Behalf Of Russell Blair
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:27 AM
To: Digital Radio
Subject: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server on 20m

My PSKmail server is on 14114 on my dial.

Russell 
1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door!
2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough
to take everything you have. 
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RE: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server on 20m

[Fred VE3FAL]

I am listening on 14.114 but see nothing as of yet

Fred
VE3FAL

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Behalf Of Russell Blair
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:27 AM
To: Digital Radio
Subject: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server on 20m

My PSKmail server is on 14114 on my dial.

Russell 
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[digitalradio] PSKmail Server on 20m

[Russell Blair]

My PSKmail server is on 14114 on my dial.

Russell 
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[digitalradio] PSKmail Server moved 7087 Mhz

[Russell Blair]

I have moved my PSKmail server to 7087 for any test for a few hours.

Russell NC5O
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Re: [digitalradio] PSKMAIL: A Different Kettle of Fish.

[Russell Blair]

Andy u had a nice signal hr in tx today. my band pass is very narrow so you 
need to be just about top of me I will try to open it up some to help.
 
Russell

1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door!
2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to 
take everything you have. 
- Thomas Jefferson

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DRCC #55
30m Dig-group #693

--- On Wed, 10/7/09, Andrew O'Brien  wrote:


From: Andrew O'Brien 
Subject: [digitalradio] PSKMAIL: A Different Kettle of Fish.
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 10:52 AM


  



After a few weeks of WINMOR testing, where I exchanged brief emails
directly with a number of hams, PSKMAIL is going to take some getting
used to. Thanks to Rein I got the programs set-up and have had good
PSK250 paths during the day time to WB5CON. So, when I checked in to
the WB5CON mail server and asked for my mail, I thought I would maybe
get a brief email from Rein or some ham that uses PSKMAIL. I was
surprised when my first email QUICKLY (compared to WINMOR) started to
scroll in on 30M...

Your msg: 8032
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:45:44 -0700
From: "Verizon Wireless" 
Subject: Meet a Few Representatives from Customer Service

snip...

I forgot that PSKMAIL is a full email service, you can get ALL your
email via PSKMAIL, all your email that goes to the reply address you
specify in PSKMAIL set-up. The PSKMAIL Gods must have arranged a test
today because my home internet service is down due to a wind storm. I
was able to use PSKMAIL via ham radio to check my mail.

Using PSK250, I am not always able to make a "connect" to a server
despite moderate signals, but it does appears to be more robust than
current versions of WINMOR. I'll play around some more.

Andy K3UK

-- 
Andy
















  

[digitalradio] PSKMAIL: A Different Kettle of Fish.

[Andrew O'Brien]

After a few weeks of WINMOR testing, where I exchanged brief emails
directly with a number of hams, PSKMAIL is going to take some getting
used to.  Thanks to Rein I got the programs set-up and have had good
PSK250 paths during the day time to WB5CON.  So, when I checked in to
the WB5CON mail server and asked for my mail, I thought I would maybe
get a  brief email from Rein or some ham that uses PSKMAIL.  I was
surprised when my first email QUICKLY (compared  to WINMOR) started to
scroll in on 30M...

Your msg: 8032
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:45:44 -0700
From: "Verizon Wireless" 
Subject: Meet a Few Representatives from Customer Service

snip...

I forgot that PSKMAIL is a full email service, you can get ALL your
email via PSKMAIL, all your email that goes to the reply address you
specify in PSKMAIL set-up.  The PSKMAIL Gods must have arranged a test
today because my home internet service is down due to a wind storm.  I
was able to use PSKMAIL via ham radio to check my mail.

Using PSK250, I am not always able to make  a "connect" to a server
despite moderate signals, but it does appears to be more robust than
current versions of WINMOR.  I'll play around some more.


Andy K3UK

-- 
Andy

[digitalradio] PSKmail Server moved

[Russell Blair]

7076 is very noisey hr so i have mover the server to 14.114 USB BPSK250
it will be hr till 0100 CST then I go back to work.

Russell

1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door!
2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to 
take everything you have. 
- Thomas Jefferson

" IN GOD WE TRUST " 

Russell Blair (NC5O)
  Skype-Russell.Blair
  Hell Field #300
  DRCC #55
  30m Dig-group #693


  

[digitalradio] PSKmail Server

[Russell Blair]

My server is on line 7076 Mhz on ur dial just give a ping and it should respond 
back if it hears you with in the band pass.

Russell
1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door!
2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to 
take everything you have. 
- Thomas Jefferson

" IN GOD WE TRUST " 

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  Skype-Russell.Blair
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  30m Dig-group #693


  

Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail server

[andrewobrie]

Russell

Thanks. I did not hear u. Wx here also bad . No power at the moment due to high 
winds.
Andy via blackberry

-Original Message-
From: Russell Blair 
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 19:15:59 
To: Digital Radio
Subject: [digitalradio] PSKmail server

If you send a ping and if my server hears you it will respond back to you as 
(QSL CALL). Hope the band will be good but it look like we have some bad 
weather moveing onto North Texas and I will have to pul the plug, till about 
9:00 CST and I will put the server back on line. I will send out a email out 
when it up and working.

Russell
1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door!
2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to 
take everything you have. 
- Thomas Jefferson

" IN GOD WE TRUST " 

Russell Blair (NC5O)
  Skype-Russell.Blair
  Hell Field #300
  DRCC #55
  30m Dig-group #693


  

[digitalradio] PSKmail server

[Russell Blair]

If you send a ping and if my server hears you it will respond back to you as 
(QSL CALL). Hope the band will be good but it look like we have some bad 
weather moveing onto North Texas and I will have to pul the plug, till about 
9:00 CST and I will put the server back on line. I will send out a email out 
when it up and working.

Russell
1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door!
2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to 
take everything you have. 
- Thomas Jefferson

" IN GOD WE TRUST " 

Russell Blair (NC5O)
  Skype-Russell.Blair
  Hell Field #300
  DRCC #55
  30m Dig-group #693


  

Re: [digitalradio] PSKMAIL Server

[Russell Blair]

Andy, the server pings on top hr and avery 15 mins.
BPSK250

1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door!
2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to 
take everything you have. 
- Thomas Jefferson

" IN GOD WE TRUST " 

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Skype-Russell.Blair
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DRCC #55
30m Dig-group #693

--- On Tue, 10/6/09, Andrew O'Brien  wrote:


From: Andrew O'Brien 
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKMAIL Server
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 8:49 PM


  



OK, so far not hearing you.




On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Russell Blair  
wrote:


  



No its on 7076 on ur dial.

Russell
1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door!
2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to 
take everything you have. 
- Thomas Jefferson

















  

Re: [digitalradio] PSKMAIL Server

[Andrew O'Brien]

OK, so far not hearing you.



On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Russell Blair wrote:

>
>
> No its on 7076 on ur dial.
>
> Russell
> 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving
> door!
> 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong
> enough to take everything you have.
> - Thomas Jefferson
>

[digitalradio] PSKMAIL Server

[Russell Blair]

No its on 7076 on ur dial.

Russell
1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door!
2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to 
take everything you have. 
- Thomas Jefferson

" IN GOD WE TRUST " 

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  Skype-Russell.Blair
  Hell Field #300
  DRCC #55
  30m Dig-group #693


  

Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server

[Andrew O'Brien]

GREAT!

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Russell Blair wrote:

>
>
> I'm going to move my PSKmail server to 7087 Mhz on your dial.
>
> Russell NC5O
> 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving
> door!
> 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong
> enough to take everything you have.
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[digitalradio] PSKmail Server

[Russell Blair]

I'm going to move my PSKmail server to 7087 Mhz on your dial.

Russell NC5O
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2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to 
take everything you have. 
- Thomas Jefferson

" IN GOD WE TRUST " 

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Re: [digitalradio] PSKMAIL "does NOT need a BBS"

[Andrew O'Brien]

Thanks.  I will play around some more with using the servers.

Andy K3UK

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:03 AM, Rein Couperus  wrote:
> Correct for the jpskmail client, it is possible on the old Linux client 
> (version 1.1).
> I built peer-to-peer operation into the client  on request of the NBEMS guys, 
> but they lost interest in pskmail so I stopped putting effort into that.
> You will see that TTY is greyed out in the Mode menu.
>
> THOR22 is a perfect mode for keyboard-to-keyboard operation, you don't 
> normally need ARQ for that.
> If there is a lot of interest from users I might also build TTY and p-to-p 
> file transfer  into the java client. Most ops use
> jpskmail for messaging, email, web access and HF APRS messaging and 
> downloading WX charts while mobile.
>
> 73,
>
> Rein PA0R

Re: [digitalradio] PSKMAIL "does NOT need a BBS"

[Rein Couperus]

Correct for the jpskmail client, it is possible on the old Linux client 
(version 1.1). 
I built peer-to-peer operation into the client  on request of the NBEMS guys, 
but they lost interest in pskmail so I stopped putting effort into that.
You will see that TTY is greyed out in the Mode menu.

THOR22 is a perfect mode for keyboard-to-keyboard operation, you don't normally 
need ARQ for that.
If there is a lot of interest from users I might also build TTY and p-to-p file 
transfer  into the java client. Most ops use 
jpskmail for messaging, email, web access and HF APRS messaging and downloading 
WX charts while mobile.

73,

Rein PA0R


> Perhaps I used the wrong term Rein, I meant mail server .  Am I correct in 
> thinking that a ham cannot connect to another ham and transfer a message, a 
> "server" has to be used ?
> 
> Andy



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[digitalradio] PSKMAIL "does NOT need a BBS"

[obrienaj]

Perhaps I used the wrong term Rein, I meant mail server .  Am I correct in 
thinking that a ham cannot connect to another ham and transfer a message, a 
"server" has to be used ?

Andy
-
> 
> Pskmail does NOT need a BBS. Unlike winlink it works directly with any email 
> account.
>
> Rein PA0R
> 
> -- 
> http://pa0r.blogspirit.com
>

[digitalradio] PSKMAIL tests tonight ?

[Andrew O'Brien]

Anyone want to test jPSKMAIl tonight?  I will be reading helps files
(heavens forbid!) since it seems I need to do a few things more, from
WB5CON today I received..
"Hi K3UK, pse update your record".  Off to find out how to do this.
Also looking for some non-server tests.

-- 
Andy

[digitalradio] PSKmail (N4WCQ) Rick

[Russell Blair]

I see you but your not connecting to me I dont see my call. Are you using 
MultiPSK I keep seeing (MultiPSK off).

Russell
Yesterday is HISTORY. Tomorrow is a MYSTERY. Today is a GIFT! Thats why its 
called the PRESENT!


" IN GOD WE TRUST " 

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  Skype-Russell.Blair
  Hell Field #300
  DRCC #55
  30m Dig-group #693


  

[digitalradio] Pskmail (VE7CUS)

[Russell Blair]

You are very week in Texas, you can try VE7SUN howevey his server is using 
THOR22 mode, he is very lite as well. 10.147 on your dial.

Russell
Yesterday is HISTORY. Tomorrow is a MYSTERY. Today is a GIFT! Thats why its 
called the PRESENT!


" IN GOD WE TRUST " 

Russell Blair (NC5O)
  Skype-Russell.Blair
  Hell Field #300
  DRCC #55
  30m Dig-group #693


  

RE: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S.

[Rein Couperus]

The first mult-protocol pskmail gateway is now in testing.

At DA5UWG we have an XNet server running on the pskmail server, which functions 
as a pskmail/AX25 gateway to  pactor transport links on 20/15m , to the db0pdf 
packet digipeater, 
and to the IGate packet network.

73,

Rein PA0R

> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: "Rud Merriam" 
> Gesendet: 18.05.09 02:19:24
> An: 
> Betreff: RE: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S.


> I'll have to agree with Russell that I have not seen hostility here 
> toward packet.
> 
> If I may offer some constructive criticism, not meant as an attack. 
> When you start a message with "what you have is nice but WE have..." 
> you are likely to engender a defensive reaction. 
> 
> Addressing the issue of packet, you certainly are aware that better 
> protocols exist for use on HF. That is one of the goals of ham radio 
> to experiment and develop new technologies. PSKMail is a very 
> positive illustration of this. They created one means of providing a 
> messaging capability that has evolved to utilize new capabilities as 
> they became available. The NBEMS is similarly positioned to lever new 
> developments. 
> 
> Packet has technical shortcomings that have been addressed by other 
> protocols. Why not take advantage of the newer capabilities?
> 
>  - 73 - 
> Rud Merriam K5RUD
> ARES AEC Montgomery County, TX
> http://TheHamNetwork.net
> 
> -Original Message-
>  *From:* Charles Brabham [mailto:n5...@uspacket.org] 
>  *Sent:* Sunday, May 17, 2009 3:45 PM
>  *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>  *Subject:* Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S.
> 
> Group members will have to forgive a few members here who appear to 
> harbor some personal hostility regarding the SkipNets, and Packet 
> radio in general. To find out more about the SkipNets without getting 
> flames stirred up here, please contact me off-list for details.
> 
> As it stands today, the Skipnets transport miscellaneous bulletin 
> traffic to keep the system exercised. There is some personal 
> messaging, but there is a great deal of underutilized capacity for 
> more point-to-point messaging between amateurs.
> 
> No non-ham or 3rd-party traffic is transported by the Skipnets, but 
> ham-to-ham communications are definately encouraged.
> 
> A new HF network roughly modeled on the SkipNets is currently under 
> development, but the first servers will probably not appear for some 
> months yet. There are still numerous issues to resolve. In the mean-
> time, participation in the SkipNets are a good way to get up to speed 
> on the basic concepts behind a global, independent, all-ham radio 
> communications network.
> 
> Again, due to the hostility here, please take all comments and 
> questions off-list. Contact me personally at: n5...@uspacket.org
> 
> - Or stop by at http://www.uspacket.org where there is a forum.
> 
> 73 DE Charles, N5PVL
> 
> 

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RE: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S.

[Rud Merriam]

I'll have to agree with Russell that I have not seen hostility here toward
packet.
 
If I may offer some constructive criticism, not meant as an attack. When you
start a message with "what you have is nice but WE have..." you are likely
to engender a defensive reaction. 
 
Addressing the issue of packet, you certainly are aware that better
protocols exist for use on HF. That is one of the goals of ham radio to
experiment and develop new technologies. PSKMail is a very positive
illustration of this. They created one means of providing a messaging
capability that has evolved to utilize new capabilities as they became
available. The NBEMS is similarly positioned to lever new developments. 
 
Packet has technical shortcomings that have been addressed by other
protocols. Why not take advantage of the newer capabilities?
 
 - 73 - 
Rud Merriam K5RUD
ARES AEC Montgomery County, TX 
http://TheHamNetwork.net <http://thehamnetwork.net/>  

-Original Message-
From: Charles Brabham [mailto:n5...@uspacket.org] 
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 3:45 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S.




Group members will have to forgive a few members here who appear to harbor
some personal hostility regarding the SkipNets, and Packet radio in general.
To find out more about the SkipNets without getting flames stirred up here,
please contact me off-list for details.
 
As it stands today, the Skipnets transport miscellaneous bulletin traffic to
keep the system exercised. There is some personal messaging, but there is a
great deal of underutilized capacity for more point-to-point messaging
between amateurs.
 
No non-ham or 3rd-party traffic is transported by the Skipnets, but
ham-to-ham communications are definately encouraged.
 
A new HF network roughly modeled on the SkipNets is currently under
development, but the first servers will probably not appear for some months
yet. There are still numerous issues to resolve. In the mean-time,
participation in the SkipNets are a good way to get up to speed on the basic
concepts behind a global, independent, all-ham radio communications network.
 
Again, due to the hostility here, please take all comments and questions
off-list. Contact me personally at: n5...@uspacket.org
 
- Or stop by at http://www.uspacket.org where there is a forum.
 
73 DE Charles, N5PVL
 
 

Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S. (Charles)

[Russell Blair]

Charles, I have joined the UsPacket.org as you requested, However unless there 
has been some e-mails sent to you off net I for one see no  hostility regarding 
the SkipNets. I for one was looking for information about the network because I 
had never heard of this network and if it came across to you as hostiliy I am 
sorry, it was not meant that way. I hope that each of the groups can work to 
make thing better.

Thanks Russell NC5O 

Yesterday is HISTORY. Tomorrow is a MYSTERY. Today is a GIFT! Thats why its 
called the PRESENT!





" IN GOD WE TRUST " 



Russell Blair (NC5O)

  Skype-Russell.Blair

  Hell Field #300

  DRCC #55

  30m Dig-group #693

--- On Sun, 5/17/09, Charles Brabham  wrote:

From: Charles Brabham 
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S.
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 3:44 PM
















  
  


Group members will have to forgive a few 
members here who appear to harbor some personal hostility regarding 
the SkipNets, and Packet radio in general. To 
find out more about the SkipNets without getting flames stirred up here, 
please contact me off-list for details.
 
As it stands today, the Skipnets transport 
miscellaneous bulletin traffic to keep the system exercised. There is some 
personal messaging, but there is a great deal of underutilized capacity for 
more point-to-point messaging between amateurs.
 
No non-ham or 3rd-party traffic is transported by 
the Skipnets, but ham-to-ham communications are definately 
encouraged.
 
A new HF network roughly modeled on the SkipNets is 
currently under development, but the first servers will probably not appear for 
some months yet. There are still numerous issues to resolve. In the mean-time, 
participation in the SkipNets are a good way to get up to speed on the basic 
concepts behind a global, independent, all-ham radio communications 
network.
 
Again, due to the hostility here, please take all 
comments and questions off-list. Contact me personally at: n5...@uspacket. org
 
- Or stop by at http://www.uspacket .org where there is a 
forum.
 
73 DE Charles, N5PVL
 
 

 

  




 

















  

Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S.

[Charles Brabham]

Group members will have to forgive a few members here who appear to harbor some 
personal hostility regarding the SkipNets, and Packet radio in general. To find 
out more about the SkipNets without getting flames stirred up here, please 
contact me off-list for details.

As it stands today, the Skipnets transport miscellaneous bulletin traffic to 
keep the system exercised. There is some personal messaging, but there is a 
great deal of underutilized capacity for more point-to-point messaging between 
amateurs.

No non-ham or 3rd-party traffic is transported by the Skipnets, but ham-to-ham 
communications are definately encouraged.

A new HF network roughly modeled on the SkipNets is currently under 
development, but the first servers will probably not appear for some months 
yet. There are still numerous issues to resolve. In the mean-time, 
participation in the SkipNets are a good way to get up to speed on the basic 
concepts behind a global, independent, all-ham radio communications network.

Again, due to the hostility here, please take all comments and questions 
off-list. Contact me personally at: n5...@uspacket.org

- Or stop by at http://www.uspacket.org where there is a forum.

73 DE Charles, N5PVL

Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S. (Rick)

[Russell Blair]

Hi Rick, well I don't know how to get my server listed on that site, it up and 
working most of the day till about 9:00 PM my time. I have had a few 
connections  when I was on PSK125, it seem to woke fine, and band condition do 
change thing a lot, I can have the program change modes and bands. I was hoping 
to get some bulletin information added to the server but I have not worked on 
that yet, hope to soon. I was thinking if I could get to a point where if 
someone connect and needed the weather for say a city that just by inputing a 
zip code the server would look up the weather via the internet a and then send 
it out as part of a short message to the station that asked for it, but I'm no 
programmer just a button pusher. OK hope the bands get better for us all.

Russell NC5O  

Yesterday is HISTORY. Tomorrow is a MYSTERY. Today is a GIFT! Thats why its 
called the PRESENT!





" IN GOD WE TRUST " 



Russell Blair (NC5O)

  Skype-Russell.Blair

  Hell Field #300

  DRCC #55

  30m Dig-group #693

--- On Sun, 5/17/09, Rick W  wrote:

From: Rick W 
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S. (Rick)
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 1:11 PM
















  
  Hi Russell,



Are there many other PSKmail stations on the air that are not being 

listed on the mailserver site?



http://pskmail. wikispaces. com/PSKmailserve rs



The only stations for the U.S. that are listed at the moment are:



WB5CON

KD5WDQ

KD4QCL



I think it was KD4WDQ that I have triggered a few times when doing a 

call up of the servers on 10148, but only WB5CON has been strong enough 

to actually connect to. It seems to take a pretty good signal to make 

this work well.



Do you find that the 250 baud rate works most of the time about as well 

as the 125 baud rate? Probably less affected by Doppler? But would be 

more affected by ISI multipsk?



Without having an automatically adjustable protocol, all the modes are a 

compromise much of the time. And the faster modes just can not connect 

when slower modes would work, even though very slow. But slow is better 

than zero throughput like we often had with 300 baud packet and why that 

mode never became usable unless you had a very stable MUF type of path. 

 From what I can tell, a lot of the Pactor 2 and 3 operation is done 

this way because 100 baud PSK is quite susceptible to ionospheric 

conditions we often have on HF.



73,



Rick, KV9U



Russell Blair wrote:

>

>

> Rick, Well I went to find the call of the other station close to you 

> and it was not on the list today I will keep a lookout for it, I have 

> seen you connect to Fred (WB5CON) at times, the band has not be too 

> good but if you would like for me to QSY to another band so you can 

> connect I would be glad just let me know. My server has been on 

> 10.148, was using PSK125 but now I'm using PSK250, it beacons avery 

> 20min starting at the top of the hour. My station antenna is a 

> Butternut so its not the best.

>

> Russell NC5O

>




 

  




 

















  

Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S.

[Russell Blair]

Well I tried to look up for SkipNet as well and could not find much about it. 
Maybe Rein can find out some more about it, and if so PSKmail with SkipNet 
could work togeather and get a network of more servers on the air.

Russell

Yesterday is HISTORY. Tomorrow is a MYSTERY. Today is a GIFT! Thats why its 
called the PRESENT!





" IN GOD WE TRUST " 



Russell Blair (NC5O)

  Skype-Russell.Blair

  Hell Field #300

  DRCC #55

  30m Dig-group #693

--- On Sun, 5/17/09, Rick W  wrote:

From: Rick W 
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S.
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 1:38 PM
















  
  I have to concur with Rein. The impression we have been given in the 

past is that Skipnet was a short term ARRL experiment under an FCC STA 

(Special Temporary Authorization) . Do a search on ARRL's web site to see 

the number of  references on anything current. My most recent search 

came up empty.



If there really is a network that can be accessed by individual hams, 

then one would expect the proponents to frequently mention the 

frequencies on the various bands, the method of access, any procedures 

to send messages, etc. Curious that this never happens.



What is important about PSKmail is the many features that are simply not 

available on any other system:



- it does not rely on 300 baud FSK packet and can use any modulation, 

including potentially future adaptable modes

- works with sound card technology and only a simple interface required

- moving toward cross platform with the addition of the javaPSKmail 

software with fldigi

- can set up ad hoc servers on short notice by anyone, not just those 

who operate a centralized system

- can operate on VHF as well as HF



And here is something that I just found out from Rein:



PSKmail can be set up as a closed system without any access to the 

internet, if you don't want it to have such access. It can act as a 

server for a local  or regional group, etc.



If possible, this discussion may be quite valuable on the group.



73,



Rick, KV9U



Rein Couperus wrote:

> I would gladly discuss with you how we can make the systems work together,

> with the ultimate goal to increase efficiency and service coverage of both...

>

> As I cannot find any usable information about SkipNet (other than the generic 
> definition of several 

> flavours of overlay networks with skipnet routing) I would be interested to 
> know 

> what you are actually doing in that area

>

> Pskmail is presently an internet or LAN access system for HF, i.e. it uses 

> existing internet infrastructure as a transport medium wherever possible, and 
> it provides 

> efficient 'last 3000 Miles' HF connectivity to various internet services like 
> email, web access, 

> twitter etc.+ fully compatible HF APRS messaging and posit beaconing.

> Pskmail servers are stateless, i.e they do not retain content, but provide 
> agents 

> to interface with internet services. As such I don't think you can compare it 
> to SkipNet functionality 

> (but I may be wrong here...)

>

> There are plans to add DTN functionalty to pskmail in future in order to 
> bypass the internet 

> transport in emergency situations, and I am fully open to any form of 
> suggestions. ..

>

> I propose we take this off list...

>

> 73,

>

> Rein PA0R

>

> rein at couperus dot com

>

>

>   




 

  




 

















  

Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S.

[Rick W]

I have to concur with Rein. The impression we have been given in the 
past is that Skipnet was a short term ARRL experiment under an FCC STA 
(Special Temporary Authorization). Do a search on ARRL's web site to see 
the number of  references on anything current. My most recent search 
came up empty.

If there really is a network that can be accessed by individual hams, 
then one would expect the proponents to frequently mention the 
frequencies on the various bands, the method of access, any procedures 
to send messages, etc. Curious that this never happens.

What is important about PSKmail is the many features that are simply not 
available on any other system:

- it does not rely on 300 baud FSK packet and can use any modulation, 
including potentially future adaptable modes
- works with sound card technology and only a simple interface required
- moving toward cross platform with the addition of the javaPSKmail 
software with fldigi
- can set up ad hoc servers on short notice by anyone, not just those 
who operate a centralized system
- can operate on VHF as well as HF

And here is something that I just found out from Rein:

PSKmail can be set up as a closed system without any access to the 
internet, if you don't want it to have such access. It can act as a 
server for a local  or regional group, etc.

If possible, this discussion may be quite valuable on the group.

73,

Rick, KV9U





Rein Couperus wrote:
> I would gladly discuss with you how we can make the systems work together,
> with the ultimate goal to increase efficiency and service coverage of both...
>
> As I cannot find any usable information about SkipNet (other than the generic 
> definition of several 
> flavours of overlay networks with skipnet routing) I would be interested to 
> know 
> what you are actually doing in that area
>
> Pskmail is presently an internet or LAN access system for HF, i.e. it uses 
> existing internet infrastructure as a transport medium wherever possible, and 
> it provides 
> efficient 'last 3000 Miles' HF connectivity to various internet services like 
> email, web access, 
> twitter etc.+ fully compatible HF APRS messaging and posit beaconing.
> Pskmail servers are stateless, i.e they do not retain content, but provide 
> agents 
> to interface with internet services. As such I don't think you can compare it 
> to SkipNet functionality 
> (but I may be wrong here...)
>
> There are plans to add DTN functionalty to pskmail in future in order to 
> bypass the internet 
> transport in emergency situations, and I am fully open to any form of 
> suggestions...
>
> I propose we take this off list...
>
> 73,
>
> Rein PA0R
>
> rein at couperus dot com
>
>
>   

Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S. (Rick)

[Rick W]

Hi Russell,

Are there many other PSKmail stations on the air that are not being 
listed on the mailserver site?

http://pskmail.wikispaces.com/PSKmailservers

The only stations for the U.S. that are listed at the moment are:

WB5CON
KD5WDQ
KD4QCL

I think it was KD4WDQ that I have triggered a few times when doing a 
call up of the servers on 10148, but only WB5CON has been strong enough 
to actually connect to. It seems to take a pretty good signal to make 
this work well.

Do you find that the 250 baud rate works most of the time about as well 
as the 125 baud rate? Probably less affected by Doppler? But would be 
more affected by ISI multipsk?

Without having an automatically adjustable protocol, all the modes are a 
compromise much of the time. And the faster modes just can not connect 
when slower modes would work, even though very slow. But slow is better 
than zero throughput like we often had with 300 baud packet and why that 
mode never became usable unless you had a very stable MUF type of path. 
 From what I can tell, a lot of the Pactor 2 and 3 operation is done 
this way because 100 baud PSK is quite susceptible to ionospheric 
conditions we often have on HF.

73,

Rick, KV9U


Russell Blair wrote:
>
>
> Rick, Well I went to find the call of the other station close to you 
> and it was not on the list today I will keep a lookout for it, I have 
> seen you connect to Fred (WB5CON) at times, the band has not be too 
> good but if you would like for me to QSY to another band so you can 
> connect I would be glad just let me know. My server has been on 
> 10.148, was using PSK125 but now I'm using PSK250, it beacons avery 
> 20min starting at the top of the hour. My station antenna is a 
> Butternut so its not the best.
>
> Russell NC5O
>

Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S. (Rick)

[Russell Blair]

Rick, Well I went to find the call of the other station close to you and it was 
not on the list today I will keep a lookout for it, I have seen you connect to 
Fred (WB5CON) at times, the band has not be too good but if you would like for 
me to QSY to another band so you can connect I would be glad just let me know. 
My server has been on 10.148, was using PSK125 but now I'm using PSK250, it 
beacons avery 20min starting at the top of the hour. My station antenna is a 
Butternut so its not the best.

Russell NC5O

Yesterday is HISTORY. Tomorrow is a MYSTERY. Today is a GIFT! Thats why its 
called the PRESENT!





" IN GOD WE TRUST " 



Russell Blair (NC5O)

  Skype-Russell.Blair

  Hell Field #300

  DRCC #55

  30m Dig-group #693

--- On Sat, 5/16/09, Rick W  wrote:

From: Rick W 
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S.
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 8:16 PM
















  
  Russell,



Where is the Wisconsin one located? I live in SW Wisconsin, but my 

understanding is that there are 3 PSKmail stations listed as active in 

the U.S.,? At least on the 10.148 frequency. The main one I can 

sometimes reach is WB5CON in Mississiippi, but not easy to do on a 

consistent basis. What we need are many more stations on different 

bands. Especially would like to see some NVIS stations on 80 meters. 

Could even have VHF stations as there is at least one in a large city, 

but outside the U.S.



Is anyone considering becoming a server station? If the Windows client 

gets PSKmail chat, we would be able to have both e-mail and peer to peer 

messaging using ARQ and could use on VHF as well as HF. That is not 

available with any other system, much less a completely open system 

fully GPL'ed. This is the only decentralized system that I am aware of 

that can do all these things.



73,



Rick, KV9U



Russell Blair wrote:

> I was taking a count today of Pskmail Servers in the U.S. and there are four 
> 1 in Mississippi, 2 in Texas, 1 in Va, 1 in WI, and one in western Canada. 
> Hopefully there will be more users as time goes on and the word gets out and 
> more people start getting out and needing to use the mail servers.

>

> Russell NC5O

>

>   




 

  




 

















  

Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S.

[Russell Blair]

Thanks Rein, I was hopeing you would step up to this. Thanks
 
Yesterday is HISTORY. Tomorrow is a MYSTERY. Today is a GIFT! Thats why its 
called the PRESENT!


" IN GOD WE TRUST " 

Russell Blair (NC5O)
  Skype-Russell.Blair
  Hell Field #300
  DRCC #55
  30m Dig-group #693


--- On Sun, 5/17/09, Rein Couperus  wrote:

> From: Rein Couperus 
> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S.
> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 7:39 AM
> I would gladly discuss with you how
> we can make the systems work together,
> with the ultimate goal to increase efficiency and service
> coverage of both...
> 
> As I cannot find any usable information about SkipNet
> (other than the generic definition of several 
> flavours of overlay networks with skipnet routing) I would
> be interested to know 
> what you are actually doing in that area
> 
> Pskmail is presently an internet or LAN access system for
> HF, i.e. it uses 
> existing internet infrastructure as a transport medium
> wherever possible, and it provides 
> efficient 'last 3000 Miles' HF connectivity to various
> internet services like email, web access, 
> twitter etc.+ fully compatible HF APRS messaging and posit
> beaconing.
> Pskmail servers are stateless, i.e they do not retain
> content, but provide agents 
> to interface with internet services. As such I don't think
> you can compare it to SkipNet functionality 
> (but I may be wrong here...)
> 
> There are plans to add DTN functionalty to pskmail in
> future in order to bypass the internet 
> transport in emergency situations, and I am fully open to
> any form of suggestions...
> 
> I propose we take this off list...
> 
> 73,
> 
> Rein PA0R
> 
> rein at couperus dot com
> 
> 
> > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> > Von: "Charles Brabham" 
> > Gesendet: 17.05.09 13:43:30
> > An: 
> > Betreff: Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S.
> 
> 
> > Nine or so Pskmail servers in the continental US?
> That's a good start,
> > but I will remind the group that the Packet ( SkipNet
> ) network has 
> > more servers than that on just one of several
> frequencies where we 
> > operate every day.
> > 
> > No eMail is carried by the Packet network, which I
> consider to be a 
> > plus. On the other hand, the SkipNet carries
> peer-to-peer messaging 
> > at a much higher speed than Pskmail can, with greater
> spectral 
> > efficiency.
> > 
> > I've looked at Pskmail and am impressed, it is an
> excellent system. 
> > It is unfortunate that Packet is ignored or dissed
> here though, for 
> > no rational reason. Packet works just as well, and in
> some respects 
> > it works much better. 
> > 
> > One area where Packet is more fuctional is in the
> number of areas 
> > served. There are a good deal more SkipNet stations on
> the air every 
> > day, serving a greater variety of locations.
> > 
> > Contrary to popularly expressed belief, HF Packet is a
> solid 
> > performer on the air. To illustrate, note that my
> station located at 
> > the southern tip of Texas exchanges messages every day
> with another 
> > SkipNet station located 25 miles in from the Canadian
> border, and has 
> > routinely done so throughout the solar minimum.
> > 
> > Is it smart to develop and utilize the Pskmail
> network? - Yes, most 
> > definately!
> > 
> > Is it smart to dis and ignore the SkipNet which is
> faster, serves 
> > many more locations and is more spectrally efficient?
> - I'll leave 
> > that for the reader to consider.
> > 
> > 73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
> > 
> > 
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Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S.

[Rein Couperus]

I would gladly discuss with you how we can make the systems work together,
with the ultimate goal to increase efficiency and service coverage of both...

As I cannot find any usable information about SkipNet (other than the generic 
definition of several 
flavours of overlay networks with skipnet routing) I would be interested to 
know 
what you are actually doing in that area

Pskmail is presently an internet or LAN access system for HF, i.e. it uses 
existing internet infrastructure as a transport medium wherever possible, and 
it provides 
efficient 'last 3000 Miles' HF connectivity to various internet services like 
email, web access, 
twitter etc.+ fully compatible HF APRS messaging and posit beaconing.
Pskmail servers are stateless, i.e they do not retain content, but provide 
agents 
to interface with internet services. As such I don't think you can compare it 
to SkipNet functionality 
(but I may be wrong here...)

There are plans to add DTN functionalty to pskmail in future in order to bypass 
the internet 
transport in emergency situations, and I am fully open to any form of 
suggestions...

I propose we take this off list...

73,

Rein PA0R

rein at couperus dot com


> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: "Charles Brabham" 
> Gesendet: 17.05.09 13:43:30
> An: 
> Betreff: Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S.


> Nine or so Pskmail servers in the continental US? That's a good start,
> but I will remind the group that the Packet ( SkipNet ) network has 
> more servers than that on just one of several frequencies where we 
> operate every day.
> 
> No eMail is carried by the Packet network, which I consider to be a 
> plus. On the other hand, the SkipNet carries peer-to-peer messaging 
> at a much higher speed than Pskmail can, with greater spectral 
> efficiency.
> 
> I've looked at Pskmail and am impressed, it is an excellent system. 
> It is unfortunate that Packet is ignored or dissed here though, for 
> no rational reason. Packet works just as well, and in some respects 
> it works much better. 
> 
> One area where Packet is more fuctional is in the number of areas 
> served. There are a good deal more SkipNet stations on the air every 
> day, serving a greater variety of locations.
> 
> Contrary to popularly expressed belief, HF Packet is a solid 
> performer on the air. To illustrate, note that my station located at 
> the southern tip of Texas exchanges messages every day with another 
> SkipNet station located 25 miles in from the Canadian border, and has 
> routinely done so throughout the solar minimum.
> 
> Is it smart to develop and utilize the Pskmail network? - Yes, most 
> definately!
> 
> Is it smart to dis and ignore the SkipNet which is faster, serves 
> many more locations and is more spectrally efficient? - I'll leave 
> that for the reader to consider.
> 
> 73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
> 
> 

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Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S.

[Charles Brabham]

Nine or so Pskmail servers in the continental US? That's a good start, but I 
will remind the group that the Packet ( SkipNet ) network has more servers than 
that on just one of several frequencies where we operate every day.

No eMail is carried by the Packet network, which I consider to be a plus. On 
the other hand, the SkipNet carries peer-to-peer messaging at a much higher 
speed than Pskmail can, with greater spectral efficiency.

I've looked at Pskmail and am impressed, it is an excellent system. It is 
unfortunate that Packet is ignored or dissed here though, for no rational 
reason. Packet works just as well, and in some respects it works much better. 

One area where Packet is more fuctional is in the number of areas served. There 
are a good deal more SkipNet stations on the air every day, serving a greater 
variety of locations.

Contrary to popularly expressed belief, HF Packet is a solid performer on the 
air. To illustrate, note that my station located at the southern tip of Texas 
exchanges messages every day with another SkipNet station located 25 miles in 
from the Canadian border, and has routinely done so throughout the solar 
minimum.

Is it smart to develop and utilize the Pskmail network? - Yes, most definately!

Is it smart to dis and ignore the SkipNet which is faster, serves many more 
locations and is more spectrally efficient? - I'll leave that for the reader to 
consider.

73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL

Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S.

[Rick W]

Russell,

Where is the Wisconsin one located? I live in SW Wisconsin, but my 
understanding is that there are 3 PSKmail stations listed as active in 
the U.S.,? At least on the 10.148 frequency. The main one I can 
sometimes reach is WB5CON in Mississiippi, but not easy to do on a 
consistent basis. What we need are many more stations on different 
bands. Especially would like to see some NVIS stations on 80 meters. 
Could even have VHF stations as there is at least one in a large city, 
but outside the U.S.

Is anyone considering becoming a server station? If the Windows client 
gets PSKmail chat, we would be able to have both e-mail and peer to peer 
messaging using ARQ and could use on VHF as well as HF. That is not 
available with any other system, much less a completely open system 
fully GPL'ed. This is the only decentralized system that I am aware of 
that can do all these things.

73,

Rick, KV9U



Russell Blair wrote:
> I was taking a count today of Pskmail Servers in the U.S. and there are four 
> 1 in Mississippi, 2 in Texas, 1 in Va, 1 in WI, and one in western Canada. 
> Hopefully there will be more users as time goes on and the word gets out and 
> more people start getting out and needing to use the mail servers.
>
> Russell NC5O
>
>   

[digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S.

[Russell Blair]

I was taking a count today of Pskmail Servers in the U.S. and there are four 1 
in Mississippi, 2 in Texas, 1 in Va, 1 in WI, and one in western Canada. 
Hopefully there will be more users as time goes on and the word gets out and 
more people start getting out and needing to use the mail servers.

Russell NC5O

Yesterday is HISTORY. Tomorrow is a MYSTERY. Today is a GIFT! Thats why its 
called the PRESENT!


" IN GOD WE TRUST " 

Russell Blair (NC5O)
  Skype-Russell.Blair
  Hell Field #300
  DRCC #55
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Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?

[Dennis Smith]

Food? Are you sure, last time I checked it was recycled rubber with a 
soya type base.

Dennis Smith
M1DLG
Barely human, mostly penguin.

Hal wrote:
>   I understand the Golden Arches sell more "food" than any other
> restaurant too...
>   

Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?

[Howard Brown]

Hi Hal,

Sometimes I am tempted to reply this way too.  Mostly I try to keep comments 
positive about Linux and trust that M$ will eventually offend their clients 
enough that they will reconsider.

My favorite distro is Ubuntu 8.04 LTS.  

There was a time when hams considered themselves more technical.  In those days 
Linux was popular in the ham community. Now that Linux is so much easier, hams 
should try it again.

73,
Howard K5HB





From: Hal 
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 8:32:19 AM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?


On 04-01, Rick W wrote:
> 
> Linux has not been very successful here in the U.S. with most ham 
> computer users. 

I understand the Golden Arches sell more "food" than any other
restaurant too...

> Even the ones who are very techy, such as myself, find 
> it mediocre as an operating system. 

That's interesting. . Consider the common denominator? ?

>Several of my ham friends have tried 
> it over the years too and abandoned it. A nearby ham, who is very tech 
> oriented decided a few months ago that he was going to really get into 
> Linux, until he really tried it and realized it just was not going to 
> work for him and he is an electronics engineer.

So...

> That has been the case 
> with most other hams I know and some of us, myself included, really, 
> really, wanted to like the OS, even with its shortcomings.

What shortcomings except comments like yours??

> But it just 
> has not been very practical at this point because like so many things in 
> life, the trade-offs are too great:(

Because too many refuse to think??

Just my 0.02 worth.. :^)..

-- 

Vy 73 de Hal--W8MCHUNIX-GNU/Linux - Slackware 11.0, 2.4.33.3
.

   

Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?

[José A. Amador]

Once upon a time, in a very distant galaxy, there was an ace pilot named 
Anakin Skywalker...

> > Linux has not been very successful here in the U.S. with most ham
> > computer users.
> > But it just has not been very practical at this point because like
> > so many things in life, the trade-offs are too great:(
>
>  Because too many refuse to think??
>

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Educación Energética
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Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?

[Hal]

On 04-01, Rick W wrote:
> 
> Linux has not been very successful here in the U.S. with most ham 
> computer users. 

I understand the Golden Arches sell more "food" than any other
restaurant too...



> Even the ones who are very techy, such as myself, find 
> it mediocre as an operating system. 

That's interesting.. Consider the common denominator??



>Several of my ham friends have tried 
> it over the years too and abandoned it. A nearby ham, who is very tech 
> oriented decided a few months ago that he was going to really get into 
> Linux, until he really tried it and realized it just was not going to 
> work for him and he is an electronics engineer.

So...



> That has been the case 
> with most other hams I know and some of us, myself included, really, 
> really, wanted to like the OS, even with its shortcomings.

What shortcomings except comments like yours??



> But it just 
> has not been very practical at this point because like so many things in 
> life, the trade-offs are too great:(

Because too many refuse to think??

Just my 0.02 worth.. :^)..

-- 

Vy 73 de Hal--W8MCHUNIX-GNU/Linux - Slackware 11.0, 2.4.33.3
.

Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?

[Rick W]

Hi Howard,

During the daytime, 160, 80, and sometimes 40 meters are NVIS capable 
depending upon world location, but for sure 40 meters is usually open 
for lower angle distances and can be very good. NVIS just means that you 
can get the close in stations as well as more distant station, so there 
is no skip zone.

Linux has not been very successful here in the U.S. with most ham 
computer users. Even the ones who are very techy, such as myself, find 
it mediocre as an operating system. Several of my ham friends have tried 
it over the years too and abandoned it. A nearby ham, who is very tech 
oriented decided a few months ago that he was going to really get into 
Linux, until he really tried it and realized it just was not going to 
work for him and he is an electronics engineer. That has been the case 
with most other hams I know and some of us, myself included, really, 
really, wanted to like the OS, even with its shortcomings. But it just 
has not been very practical at this point because like so many things in 
life, the trade-offs are too great:(

73,

Rick, KV9U




Howard Brown wrote:
> GM Rick,
>
> I have been listening for PSKmail stations for some time.  NVIS could 
> be valuable at times but it would also be useful to have servers 
> available on 40 and 80 meters under current conditions.  These servers 
> would be reachable from distances greater than NVIS and compensate for 
> weak propagation in the 100 to 500 mile range.
>
> I think the guys in Europe are way ahead of us with this software. 
> They don't seem to be so afraid of Linux.
>
> Howard K5HB
>
> 
> *From:* Rick W 
> *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 1, 2009 9:22:59 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
>
> If PSKmail becomes popular here in the U.S., we will likely have many
> more servers than at present. Something that has been lacking with all
> other systems is the minimal use of the lower bands for NVIS operation.
> As long as there is a path close to (but not exceeding) the MUF, the
> signal quality will often be the best, but the longer paths may not be
> open, when shorter ones are open most of the time.
>
> We have at least one group here in my state that attempts to use an 80
> meter 300 baud packet BBS but I know they have a lot of retries and
> probably time outs with the messages not always getting through on NVIS.
> This means that other protocols need to be developed since PSK250 is
> probably no better and maybe not quite as good as 2FSK300?
>
> Another thought  is it possible to use PSKmail on VHF? It would seem
> like a good fit for moderate distance communication, local to maybe 100
> miles? Maybe even with FM and vertical polarization, which 99% of active
> hams already have available? Has anyone tried this in EU or other parts
> of the world?
>
> 73,
>
> Rick, KV9U
>
> Russell Blair wrote:
> > Rick, well the only I have heard today was VE7SUN @12:00 UTC, 30m
> > seems dead hr in Texas.
> > Russell
> >
>
>
>
> 
> 
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
> Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.35/2034 - Release Date: 04/01/09 
> 06:06:00
>
>   

Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?

[Howard Brown]

GM Rick,

I have been listening for PSKmail stations for some time.  NVIS could be 
valuable at times but it would also be useful to have servers available on 40 
and 80 meters under current conditions.  These servers would be reachable from 
distances greater than NVIS and compensate for weak propagation in the 100 to 
500 mile range.

I think the guys in Europe are way ahead of us with this software. They don't 
seem to be so afraid of Linux.

Howard K5HB





From: Rick W 
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 9:22:59 AM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?


If PSKmail becomes popular here in the U.S., we will likely have many 
more servers than at present. Something that has been lacking with all 
other systems is the minimal use of the lower bands for NVIS operation. 
As long as there is a path close to (but not exceeding) the MUF, the 
signal quality will often be the best, but the longer paths may not be 
open, when shorter ones are open most of the time.

We have at least one group here in my state that attempts to use an 80 
meter 300 baud packet BBS but I know they have a lot of retries and 
probably time outs with the messages not always getting through on NVIS. 
This means that other protocols need to be developed since PSK250 is 
probably no better and maybe not quite as good as 2FSK300?

Another thought  is it possible to use PSKmail on VHF? It would seem 
like a good fit for moderate distance communication, local to maybe 100 
miles? Maybe even with FM and vertical polarization, which 99% of active 
hams already have available? Has anyone tried this in EU or other parts 
of the world?

73,

Rick, KV9U

Russell Blair wrote:
> Rick, well the only I have heard today was VE7SUN @12:00 UTC, 30m 
> seems dead hr in Texas.
> Russell
>


   

Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?

[Rick W]

If PSKmail becomes popular here in the U.S., we will likely have many 
more servers than at present. Something that has been lacking with all 
other systems is the minimal use of the lower bands for NVIS operation. 
As long as there is a path close to (but not exceeding) the MUF, the 
signal quality will often be the best, but the longer paths may not be 
open, when shorter ones are open most of the time.

We have at least one group here in my state that attempts to use an 80 
meter 300 baud packet BBS but I know they have a lot of retries and 
probably time outs with the messages not always getting through on NVIS. 
This means that other protocols need to be developed since PSK250 is 
probably no better and maybe not quite as good as 2FSK300?

Another thought  is it possible to use PSKmail on VHF? It would seem 
like a good fit for moderate distance communication, local to maybe 100 
miles? Maybe even with FM and vertical polarization, which 99% of active 
hams already have available? Has anyone tried this in EU or other parts 
of the world?

73,

Rick, KV9U


Russell Blair wrote:
> Rick, well the only I have heard today was VE7SUN @12:00 UTC, 30m 
> seems dead hr in Texas.
> Russell
>

Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?

[Russell Blair]

Rick, well the only I have heard today was VE7SUN @12:00 UTC, 30m seems dead hr 
in Texas.

Russell

Yesterday is HISTORY. Tomorrow is a MYSTERY. Today is a GIFT! Thats why its 
called the PRESENT!


" IN GOD WE TRUST " 

Russell Blair (NC5O)
Skype-Russell.Blair
Hell Field #300
DRCC #55
30m Dig-group #693

--- On Wed, 4/1/09, Rick W  wrote:

From: Rick W 
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 8:49 AM






Not able to get much of that happening here. The only server station has 
been wb5con so far. I pick up some other calls but not sure what they 
are doing. Just saw kd4qcl and seconds later saw kd5umw de kd5wdq. Maybe 
calling each other on the same frequency?

I am hoping that as I use it more, and we have an increasing number of 
active servers, this system could become very practical by having one 
program that can help with multiple needs. As I have said before, having 
one program that can do what otherwise would require many different 
programs, would make this a very useful digital system.

73,

Rick, KV9U

Rein Couperus wrote:
>
> The latest version 0.3.3 ca already do a lot more...
>
> This is from the wiki:
> Send APRS Posit
> Send APRS message
> Send APRS email
> Send ping
> Send Link packet to server
> Receive APRS message
> Receive short email on APRS
> Receive weather (or other) bulletins automatically and store them.
> Set APRS Icon
> Set APRS Beacon Period (10, 30, 60 mins)
> Set APRS status message
> GPS connection (RS232 and USB)
>
> ARQ terminal mode:
> Get your mail from ISP (e.g. gmail)
> Send mail via ISP
> List, download and read files on the server (tell the sysop what you need)
> Telnet to any computer on the internet, e.g. your packet mailbox
> Get special info depending on your location from the web like:
> - tide information
> - List of APRS stations
> - List of messages on findu
> - For RV'ers a list of parking lots in a radius of 5 Miles from your location 
> (EU only)
> - The latest wx bulletin
> - Grib files for zyGrib
> - Latest IAC fleetcode file for zyGrib
>
> etc, etc, etc... as PKSmail is a free decentralized system the sysops 
> determine 
> what info is available on the servers. You will have to bribe the system 
> operators to get your specific stuff on it.
> In EU we got this organized so the same info is available on various servers, 
> and is updated several times a day.
> Any info not on the server can be called from the web
>
> This is what you see when asking a files list from PI4TUE:
> atlantic 2009-04-01 10:12 8398
> DL-wetter 2009-04-01 10:12 4042
> highseas_uk 2009-04-01 10:12 10734
> Kanal-Gibraltar 2009-04-01 10:12 61078
> kueste 2009-04-01 10:12 1379
> MMost 2009-04-01 10:12 22566
> MMwest 2009-04-01 10:12 24980
> navtex-dutch 2009-04-01 10:12 1529
> navtex-emden 2009-04-01 10:12 5547
> navtex-rostock 2009-04-01 10:12 3469
> nordostsee 2009-04-01 10:12 28575
> pings.log 2009-04-01 11:25 226
> Stationsmeldungen 2009-04-01 10:12 1513
> wx-dutch 2009-04-01 10:12 958
>
> Mostly information for our sailing friends, and in various languages... .
>
> I am sure your imagination is able to extend this list...
>
> 73,
>
> Rein PA0R
>
> BTW, when I send a ping on 10148.0 here I get 5 servers answering...
>
> 
>  - - - - - -
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
> Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.34/2032 - Release Date: 03/31/09 
> 06:02:00
>
> 

















  

Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?

[Rick W]

Not able to get much of that happening here. The only server station has 
been wb5con so far. I pick up some other calls but not sure what they 
are doing. Just saw kd4qcl and seconds later saw kd5umw de kd5wdq. Maybe 
calling each other on the same frequency?

I am hoping that as I use it more, and we have an increasing number of 
active servers, this system could become very practical by having one 
program that can help with multiple needs. As I have said before, having 
one program that can do what otherwise would require many different 
programs, would make this a very useful digital system.

73,

Rick, KV9U



Rein Couperus wrote:
>
> The latest version 0.3.3 ca already do a lot more...
>
> This is from the wiki:
> Send APRS Posit
> Send APRS message
> Send APRS email
> Send ping
> Send Link packet to server
> Receive APRS message
> Receive short email on APRS
> Receive weather (or other) bulletins automatically and store them.
> Set APRS Icon
> Set APRS Beacon Period (10, 30, 60 mins)
> Set APRS status message
> GPS connection (RS232 and USB)
>
> ARQ terminal mode:
> Get your mail from ISP (e.g. gmail)
> Send mail via ISP
> List, download and read files on the server (tell the sysop what you need)
> Telnet to any computer on the internet, e.g. your packet mailbox
> Get special info depending on your location from the web like:
> - tide information
> - List of APRS stations
> - List of messages on findu
> - For RV'ers a list of parking lots in a radius of 5 Miles from your location 
> (EU only)
> - The latest wx bulletin
> - Grib files for zyGrib
> - Latest  IAC fleetcode file for zyGrib
>
> etc, etc, etc... as PKSmail is a free decentralized system the sysops 
> determine 
> what info is available on the servers. You will have to bribe the system 
> operators to get your specific stuff on it.
> In EU we got this organized so the same info is available on various servers, 
> and is updated several times a day.
> Any info not on the server can be called from the web
>
> This is what you see when asking a files list from PI4TUE:
> atlantic 2009-04-01 10:12 8398
> DL-wetter 2009-04-01 10:12 4042
> highseas_uk 2009-04-01 10:12 10734
> Kanal-Gibraltar 2009-04-01 10:12 61078
> kueste 2009-04-01 10:12 1379
> MMost 2009-04-01 10:12 22566
> MMwest 2009-04-01 10:12 24980
> navtex-dutch 2009-04-01 10:12 1529
> navtex-emden 2009-04-01 10:12 5547
> navtex-rostock 2009-04-01 10:12 3469
> nordostsee 2009-04-01 10:12 28575
> pings.log 2009-04-01 11:25 226
> Stationsmeldungen 2009-04-01 10:12 1513
> wx-dutch 2009-04-01 10:12 958
>
> Mostly information for our sailing friends, and in various languages
>
> I am sure your imagination is able to extend this list...
>
> 73,
>
> Rein PA0R
>
> BTW, when I send a ping on 10148.0 here I get 5 servers answering...
>
>   
> 
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
> Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.34/2032 - Release Date: 03/31/09 
> 06:02:00
>
>   

[digitalradio] PSKmail in Windows

[Andy obrien]

It came out a few weeks ago and is so easy,  even I can do it.


Andy K3UK

Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?

[Rein Couperus]

> I am not completely understanding what you can do with PSKmail such as 
> listing files, etc. Not much happens when I connect but maybe my 
> connection is not good enough? I realize that the Windows version is not 
> fully operational at this time, but it gives you a taste of the system.
> 

The latest version 0.3.3 ca already do a lot more...

This is from the wiki:
Send APRS Posit
Send APRS message
Send APRS email
Send ping
Send Link packet to server
Receive APRS message
Receive short email on APRS
Receive weather (or other) bulletins automatically and store them.
Set APRS Icon
Set APRS Beacon Period (10, 30, 60 mins)
Set APRS status message
GPS connection (RS232 and USB)

ARQ terminal mode:
Get your mail from ISP (e.g. gmail)
Send mail via ISP
List, download and read files on the server (tell the sysop what you need)
Telnet to any computer on the internet, e.g. your packet mailbox
Get special info depending on your location from the web like:
- tide information
- List of APRS stations
- List of messages on findu
- For RV'ers a list of parking lots in a radius of 5 Miles from your location 
(EU only)
- The latest wx bulletin
- Grib files for zyGrib
- Latest  IAC fleetcode file for zyGrib

etc, etc, etc... as PKSmail is a free decentralized system the sysops determine 
what info is available on the servers. You will have to bribe the system 
operators to get your specific stuff on it.
In EU we got this organized so the same info is available on various servers, 
and is updated several times a day.
Any info not on the server can be called from the web

This is what you see when asking a files list from PI4TUE:
atlantic 2009-04-01 10:12 8398
DL-wetter 2009-04-01 10:12 4042
highseas_uk 2009-04-01 10:12 10734
Kanal-Gibraltar 2009-04-01 10:12 61078
kueste 2009-04-01 10:12 1379
MMost 2009-04-01 10:12 22566
MMwest 2009-04-01 10:12 24980
navtex-dutch 2009-04-01 10:12 1529
navtex-emden 2009-04-01 10:12 5547
navtex-rostock 2009-04-01 10:12 3469
nordostsee 2009-04-01 10:12 28575
pings.log 2009-04-01 11:25 226
Stationsmeldungen 2009-04-01 10:12 1513
wx-dutch 2009-04-01 10:12 958

Mostly information for our sailing friends, and in various languages

I am sure your imagination is able to extend this list...

73,

Rein PA0R

BTW, when I send a ping on 10148.0 here I get 5 servers answering...

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Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?

[Rein Couperus]

Hi Toby, you may want to try 10.148, the server network there will let you 
connect 
from all over EU during the daytime. 
We see connects from Moscow, from the Cap Verde Islands, from south of Spain...
40 meters is bad because of QRM, the band being very narrow, and everybody 
is on top of each other... pactor, RTTY psk31...
30 meters is quiet and no contests

73,

Rein PA0R

> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: "Toby Burnett" 
> Gesendet: 31.03.09 23:38:15
> An: 
> Betreff: Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?


> Wish someone would set up a UK server for testing purposes at least, 
> could get on 7Mhz or 3.5Mhz. Would be ideal. I've never managed to 
> connect with the Swedish / German servers yet. Must be doing 
> something wrong!! Using JPSKMAIL RX is fine with Fldigi but never 
> connects. 
> 
> ---Original Message---
> 
>  *From:*Andy obrien
>  *Date:* 31/03/2009 13:19:31
>  *To:*digitalradio
>  *Subject:* [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
> 
> Is the software for the PSKMAIL sever side Linux based only ? I
> thought it would be useful if we had half-dozen more servers in North
> America but having to run Linux may dissuade some.
> 
> Andy K3UK
> 
> 

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Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?

[Toby Burnett]

Wish someone would set up a UK server for testing purposes at least, could
get on 7Mhz or 3.5Mhz.  Would be ideal. I've never managed to connect with
the Swedish /  German servers yet. Must be doing something wrong!!  Using
JPSKMAIL RX is fine with Fldigi but never connects. 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Andy obrien
Date: 31/03/2009 13:19:31
To: digitalradio
Subject: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
 
Is the software for the PSKMAIL sever side Linux based only ? I
thought it would be useful if we had half-dozen more servers in North
America but having to run Linux may dissuade some.

Andy K3UK


 <>

Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?

[Per]

Hi Rick,

Great that you decided to try out the java client, good to hear that you had 
some success as well.
Yes, any server that receives a ping will respond. I see that WB5CON did answer 
your pings and that you were able to link and connect to that server.
I also see that you were able to list the files at the server, wasn't many 
files there (only pings.log) but the listing worked :-)

The server saying "Hi KV9U, pse update your record" is an indication that it 
lacks information about you (how to get your email for instance). You can enter 
settings through the options and then upload them to the server when connected. 
You can then access your pop email account, send email etc. You can also do 
stuff without updating any info on the server, browsing the web, getting camp 
sites, weather and much more.

Much of what you can do with the java client is in the fast start pdf that came 
with it, you may also have a look at the wiki where much of the information 
about the linux client is applicable, that info is available here: 
http://pskmail.wikispaces.com/operation

As you said the java client is not 100% complete yet and the TTY mode will be 
added, its on a list of things to implement :-)

73 de Per, sm0rwo






From: Rick W 
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 9:23:49 PM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?


I am not that knowledgeable about PSKmail yet, but from what I 
understand, if I go to the APRS tab and use the Ping button, any server 
stations on frequency that can hear me will respond back. So far, the 
only station that has ever responded has been WB5CON. At this moment, of 
the seven listed USA servers (includes Alaska), only WB5CON, KD5WDQ, and 
KD4QCL may be active based on the PSKmail server web status. WB5CON is 
about 750 miles from my location and on 30 meters that is about right 
for daytime propagation.

The other callsign I have seen that I think is attempting to connect, or 
is connecting to WB5CON, is KD5UMW from TX.

I am not completely understanding what you can do with PSKmail such as 
listing files, etc. Not much happens when I connect but maybe my 
connection is not good enough? I realize that the Windows version is not 
fully operational at this time, but it gives you a taste of the system.

The peer to peer feature of PSKmail is not available so you would have 
to connect with a server only. The ability to connect to a peer is vital 
from my perspective since I am primarily interested in the public 
service/emergency capabilities of these kinds of systems. Otherwise, you 
need multiple systems for e-mail, peer to peer, local servers, etc. and 
it is rare to find enough hams who are willing to do this.

Our local group is trying to piggyback off a "resurgence" of SSB 
activity here in the northern midwest U.S. to see if we can get interest 
in digital VHF FM using vertical polarization with Domino EX or any 
digital modes for that matter. If it proves possible to get some 
interest, we might be able to expose new hams to other alternatives. 
Only a tiny number have the slightest interest, but you have to start 
somewhere.

73,

Rick, KV9U

Russell Blair wrote:
> Rick, I saw your call wile I was listening on 10.148 PSK250 is that a 
> server your. I'm looking for a call to try to connect to.
>


   


  

Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?

[Russell Blair]

Rick, Thanks for you responce to my mail.
 
Russell NC5O

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--- On Tue, 3/31/09, Rick W  wrote:

From: Rick W 
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 2:23 PM






I am not that knowledgeable about PSKmail yet, but from what I 
understand, if I go to the APRS tab and use the Ping button, any server 
stations on frequency that can hear me will respond back. So far, the 
only station that has ever responded has been WB5CON. At this moment, of 
the seven listed USA servers (includes Alaska), only WB5CON, KD5WDQ, and 
KD4QCL may be active based on the PSKmail server web status. WB5CON is 
about 750 miles from my location and on 30 meters that is about right 
for daytime propagation.

The other callsign I have seen that I think is attempting to connect, or 
is connecting to WB5CON, is KD5UMW from TX.

I am not completely understanding what you can do with PSKmail such as 
listing files, etc. Not much happens when I connect but maybe my 
connection is not good enough? I realize that the Windows version is not 
fully operational at this time, but it gives you a taste of the system.

The peer to peer feature of PSKmail is not available so you would have 
to connect with a server only. The ability to connect to a peer is vital 
from my perspective since I am primarily interested in the public 
service/emergency capabilities of these kinds of systems. Otherwise, you 
need multiple systems for e-mail, peer to peer, local servers, etc. and 
it is rare to find enough hams who are willing to do this.

Our local group is trying to piggyback off a "resurgence" of SSB 
activity here in the northern midwest U.S. to see if we can get interest 
in digital VHF FM using vertical polarization with Domino EX or any 
digital modes for that matter. If it proves possible to get some 
interest, we might be able to expose new hams to other alternatives. 
Only a tiny number have the slightest interest, but you have to start 
somewhere.

73,

Rick, KV9U

Russell Blair wrote:
> Rick, I saw your call wile I was listening on 10.148 PSK250 is that a 
> server your. I'm looking for a call to try to connect to.
>

















  

Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?

[Rick W]

I am not that knowledgeable about PSKmail yet, but from what I 
understand, if I go to the APRS tab and use the Ping button, any server 
stations on frequency that can hear me will respond back. So far, the 
only station that has ever responded has been WB5CON. At this moment, of 
the seven listed USA servers (includes Alaska), only WB5CON, KD5WDQ, and 
KD4QCL may be active based on the PSKmail server web status. WB5CON is 
about 750 miles from my location and on 30 meters that is about right 
for daytime propagation.

The other callsign I have seen that I think is attempting to connect, or 
is connecting to WB5CON, is KD5UMW from TX.

I am not completely understanding what you can do with PSKmail such as 
listing files, etc. Not much happens when I connect but maybe my 
connection is not good enough? I realize that the Windows version is not 
fully operational at this time, but it gives you a taste of the system.

The peer to peer feature of PSKmail is not available so you would have 
to connect with a server only. The ability to connect to a peer is vital 
from my perspective since I am primarily interested in the public 
service/emergency capabilities of these kinds of systems. Otherwise, you 
need multiple systems for e-mail, peer to peer, local servers, etc. and 
it is rare to find enough hams who are willing to do this.

Our local group is trying to piggyback off a "resurgence" of SSB 
activity here in the northern midwest U.S. to see if we can get interest 
in digital VHF FM using vertical polarization with Domino EX or any 
digital modes for that matter. If it proves possible to get some 
interest, we might be able to expose new hams to other alternatives. 
Only a tiny number have the slightest interest, but you have to start 
somewhere.

73,

Rick, KV9U



Russell Blair wrote:
> Rick, I saw your call wile I was listening on 10.148 PSK250 is that a 
> server your. I'm looking for a call to try to connect to.
>

Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?

[Rein Couperus]

Tnx Stelios... that is very good news, I was not aware of the 
Xvfb server. Some reading necssary.
Most pskmail servers are indeed run headless, and remote controlled via VNC.
Once they are running they need no maintenance, and the GUI 
uses resources which are unnecessary for the function they perform...

Tnx again, some more experimenting to do :)

Rein PA0R

> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: "Stelios Bounanos" 
> Gesendet: 31.03.09 19:45:04
> An: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> CC: Rein Couperus 
> Betreff: Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?


> >>>>> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:50:11 +0200, Rein Couperus  
> >>>>> said:
> 
> > Yes, the server is linux only at the moment. Ultimate goal is to use a 
> > LAMP server without a GUI in future, but fldigi needs the GUI :)
> 
> Fldigi needs an X11 display (on Linux/FreeBSD), which makes it
> non-straightforward to use in "server mode".  But it's possible
> with a "fake" X server such as Xvfb.  Excerpt from Xvfb(1):
> 
>   Xvfb is an X server that can run on machines with no display hardware
>   and no physical input devices. It emulates a dumb framebuffer using
>   virtual memory.
> 
> Here's how you'd use it with fldigi:
> 
>   ssh remote-host
>   Xvfb -ac :99 &
>   fldigi -display :99 &
> 
> Debian (and I expect Ubuntu as well) has a convenient shell script
> wrapper for this, xvfb-run:
> 
>   xvfb-run fldigi -display :99
> 
> This ssh command runs fldigi on a remote host and also forwards fldigi's
> xml-rpc port so that you can then control it with fldigi-shell (or other
> client):
> 
>   ssh -L 7362:localhost:7362 remote-host xvfb-run fldigi -display :99
> 
> You could in addition forward port 7322 to tunnel the ARQ connection so
> that the pskmail server can be run locally.
> 
> I'm guessing that you manage the remote pskmail server and fldigi using
> VNC.  If that's only because you need to interact with fldigi, you may
> find that the xml-rpc interface has all you need, and that you can use
> the above method to simplify the setup somewhat.  A "headless" fldigi
> can be very useful; for example you could run a fldigi/pskmail server
> on a Marvell SheevaPlug or a Beagle Board.
> 
> Take a look at the xml-rpc methods (fldigi --xmlrpc-list) and let us
> know if there's anything that could be added for pskmail.  The main
> thing that's missing right now is functions to change RTTY and Olivia
> parameters (I plan to add them RSN), but I don't think pskmail uses
> these modems.
> 
> 
> 73,
> Stelios, M0GLD.
> 
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Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?

[Stelios Bounanos]

> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:50:11 +0200, Rein Couperus  
> said:

> Yes, the server is linux only at the moment. Ultimate goal is to use a 
> LAMP server without a GUI in future, but fldigi needs the GUI :)

Fldigi needs an X11 display (on Linux/FreeBSD), which makes it
non-straightforward to use in "server mode".  But it's possible
with a "fake" X server such as Xvfb.  Excerpt from Xvfb(1):

  Xvfb is an X server that can run on machines with no display hardware
  and no physical input devices. It emulates a dumb framebuffer using
  virtual memory.

Here's how you'd use it with fldigi:

  ssh remote-host
  Xvfb -ac :99 &
  fldigi -display :99 &

Debian (and I expect Ubuntu as well) has a convenient shell script
wrapper for this, xvfb-run:

  xvfb-run fldigi -display :99

This ssh command runs fldigi on a remote host and also forwards fldigi's
xml-rpc port so that you can then control it with fldigi-shell (or other
client):

  ssh -L 7362:localhost:7362 remote-host xvfb-run fldigi -display :99

You could in addition forward port 7322 to tunnel the ARQ connection so
that the pskmail server can be run locally.

I'm guessing that you manage the remote pskmail server and fldigi using
VNC.  If that's only because you need to interact with fldigi, you may
find that the xml-rpc interface has all you need, and that you can use
the above method to simplify the setup somewhat.  A "headless" fldigi
can be very useful; for example you could run a fldigi/pskmail server
on a Marvell SheevaPlug or a Beagle Board.

Take a look at the xml-rpc methods (fldigi --xmlrpc-list) and let us
know if there's anything that could be added for pskmail.  The main
thing that's missing right now is functions to change RTTY and Olivia
parameters (I plan to add them RSN), but I don't think pskmail uses
these modems.


73,
Stelios, M0GLD.

Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?

[Russell Blair]

Rick, I saw your call wile I was listening on 10.148 PSK250 is that a server 
your. I'm looking for a call to try to connect to.
 
Russell

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--- On Tue, 3/31/09, Rick W  wrote:

From: Rick W 
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 11:02 AM






Since so few hams need to install servers, perhaps this could be one of 
the rare exceptions where some of us might consider actually dedicating 
a computer to Linux, for this special application? Most hams here in the 
U.S. would likely be accessing the server with a MS Windows based OS as 
that becomes available.

If PSKmail became popular, we might need a fair number of servers, 
although some could be on standby. If I understand PSKmail correctly, it 
is possible to set up ad hoc servers as needed. You do not have the 
centralized politics that is done by design with other systems. 
Individuals and groups use their independent judgment when and where 
placement is made for a server. For example, some servers could be on 
standby and be activated for an emergency situation.

You could also use MF and NVIS type operation that is not done much with 
other systems although it may require a better protocol than PSK for 
consistent results.

73,

Rick, KV9U

Andy obrien wrote:
> Is the software for the PSKMAIL sever side Linux based only ? I
> thought it would be useful if we had half-dozen more servers in North
> America but having to run Linux may dissuade some.
>
> Andy K3UK
>
> 

















  

Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?

[Rick W]

Since so few hams need to install servers, perhaps this could be one of 
the rare exceptions where some of us might consider actually dedicating 
a computer to Linux, for this special application? Most hams here in the 
U.S. would likely be accessing the server with a MS Windows based OS as 
that becomes available.

If PSKmail became popular, we might need a fair number of servers, 
although some could be on standby. If I understand PSKmail correctly, it 
is possible to set up ad hoc servers as needed. You do not have the 
centralized politics that is done by design with other systems. 
Individuals and groups use their independent judgment when and where 
placement is made for a server. For example, some servers could be on 
standby and be activated for an emergency situation.

You could also use MF and NVIS type operation that is not done much with 
other systems although it may require a better protocol than PSK for 
consistent results.

73,

Rick, KV9U


Andy obrien wrote:
> Is the software for the PSKMAIL sever side Linux based only ?  I
> thought it would be useful if we had half-dozen more servers in North
> America but having to run Linux may dissuade some.
>
> Andy K3UK
>
>   

Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?

[Rein Couperus]

Yes, the server is linux only at the moment. Ultimate goal is to use a 
LAMP server without a GUI in future, but fldigi needs the GUI :)
We may also port the server to java some time, but we have to do it 
step by step. 

BTW, it is quite easy to install a server on UBUNTU, The installation 
proces has been automated. Most of the trouble is to get the 
fldigi/trx  combination running, the rest is easy.

73,

Rein PA0R


> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: "Andy obrien" 
> Gesendet: 31.03.09 14:19:31
> An: digitalradio 
> Betreff: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?


> Is the software for the PSKMAIL sever side Linux based only ?  I
> thought it would be useful if we had half-dozen more servers in North
> America but having to run Linux may dissuade some.
> 
> Andy K3UK
> 
> 
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[digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?

[Andy obrien]

Is the software for the PSKMAIL sever side Linux based only ?  I
thought it would be useful if we had half-dozen more servers in North
America but having to run Linux may dissuade some.

Andy K3UK

Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail QRG and features/issues

[Rein Couperus]

In EU only 500 Hz bandwidth is allowed on 30 meters.

I would suggest those interested in pskmail to discuss further on the pskmail 
list, 
you are invited to join at http://www.freelists.org/archive/pskmail.

The chances you get help there are bigger and to organize the servers 
all present server ops should be part of the discussion.

By the way, you can ask some of the servers to QSY to a traffic frequency if 
you 
expect to have a longer session, so the APRS/calling frequency remains clear.
It also helps if the servers listen on that frequency during one minute in the 
cycle,
so if you call there at the right point in time you will not disturb the 
calling/APRS frequency.

Not all servers do this yet, as it requires freq. control of the transmitter. 
All a matter 
of organization

73,

Rein PA0R

PS: This mode is only interesting for mobile or emergency stations which lack 
internet so 
the activity on the servers will drop quickly :)







> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: "Rick W" 
> Gesendet: 22.03.09 02:59:19
> An: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail QRG and features/issues


> My preference would be to follow the band plan. Assuming I understand 
> things correctly, on 30 meters it is intended that modes up to 2700 Hz 
> remain in the 10.140 - 10.150 sub band and all narrow digimodes (500 Hz 
> or less) in the 10.130 - 10.140, with 10.100 - 10.130 for CW. There is 
> no comment on automatic operation on that band.
> 
> Why not operate on what has been an unused part of the band from about 
> 10.132 - 10.138? Do you hear stations operating in that part in your 
> region? I tune around quite a bit and have found it pretty much dead.
> 
> As far as busy frequency detection, I suspect that Winlink 2000 may 
> continue with their rather open viewpoint expressed by their 
> administrator that turning off such protection is needed due to 
> malicious activities and because the bands are so busy. But then again 
> maybe they will surprise us.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Rick, KV9U
> 
> kh6ty wrote:
> > Rick wrote:
> > > It was very difficult to actually use the frequency due to many other
> > > stations transmitting on top of the server and my signals.
> >  
> > What! You were on the frequency first and someone transmitted over top 
> > of you? Don't they always "listen first"?
> >  ;-)
> >  
> > Therefore, we must be very grateful for Rein's decision to stay in the 
> > area with the other "automatic" stations, even if his signal is narrow 
> > and could go elsewhere. However, it might be feasible to operate 
> > PSKmail in the guardbands between Pactor-3 station assigned 
> > frequencies with less QRM. I think that Pactor-3 seldom uses more than 
> > 2100 Hz bandwidth, but the "channel" is 2500 Hz wide.
> >  
> > I hope all future mailbox operators will be just as considerate. An 
> > automatic station is unable to QSY, even if it could hear that it was 
> > interferring with an ongoing QSO, because it is necessary for it to 
> > remain on a published frequency in order to be contactable, and 
> > besides, there is nobody present at the automatic station in order to 
> > shift frequency.
> >  
> > How long do you REALLY expect the Winmor "busy channel detector" to 
> > stay enabled!
> >
> > 73, Skip KH6TY
> > http://kh6ty.home.comcast.net
> >  
> >  
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [digitalradio] PSKMAIL --- Gmail?

[Rein Couperus]

The servers communicate with gmail using TLS.
For a gmail address the pop user id must be set to addr...@gmail.com,
pop host is pop.gmail.com

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> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
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Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail QRG and features/issues

[Rick W]

My preference would be to follow the band plan. Assuming I understand 
things correctly, on 30 meters it is intended that modes up to 2700 Hz 
remain in the 10.140 - 10.150 sub band and all narrow digimodes (500 Hz 
or less) in the 10.130 - 10.140, with 10.100 - 10.130 for CW. There is 
no comment on automatic operation on that band.

Why not operate on what has been an unused part of the band from about 
10.132 - 10.138? Do you hear stations operating in that part in your 
region? I tune around quite a bit and have found it pretty much dead.

As far as busy frequency detection, I suspect that Winlink 2000 may 
continue with their rather open viewpoint expressed by their 
administrator that turning off such protection is needed due to 
malicious activities and because the bands are so busy. But then again 
maybe they will surprise us.

73,

Rick, KV9U

kh6ty wrote:
> Rick wrote:
> > It was very difficult to actually use the frequency due to many other
> > stations transmitting on top of the server and my signals.
>  
> What! You were on the frequency first and someone transmitted over top 
> of you? Don't they always "listen first"?
>  ;-)
>  
> Therefore, we must be very grateful for Rein's decision to stay in the 
> area with the other "automatic" stations, even if his signal is narrow 
> and could go elsewhere. However, it might be feasible to operate 
> PSKmail in the guardbands between Pactor-3 station assigned 
> frequencies with less QRM. I think that Pactor-3 seldom uses more than 
> 2100 Hz bandwidth, but the "channel" is 2500 Hz wide.
>  
> I hope all future mailbox operators will be just as considerate. An 
> automatic station is unable to QSY, even if it could hear that it was 
> interferring with an ongoing QSO, because it is necessary for it to 
> remain on a published frequency in order to be contactable, and 
> besides, there is nobody present at the automatic station in order to 
> shift frequency.
>  
> How long do you REALLY expect the Winmor "busy channel detector" to 
> stay enabled!
>
> 73, Skip KH6TY
> http://kh6ty.home.comcast.net
>  
>  

Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail QRG and features/issues

[kh6ty]

Rick wrote:
> It was very difficult to actually use the frequency due to many other 
> stations transmitting on top of the server and my signals.

What! You were on the frequency first and someone transmitted over top of you? 
Don't they always "listen first"?
 ;-)

Therefore, we must be very grateful for Rein's decision to stay in the area 
with the other "automatic" stations, even if his signal is narrow and could go 
elsewhere. However, it might be feasible to operate PSKmail in the guardbands 
between Pactor-3 station assigned frequencies with less QRM. I think that 
Pactor-3 seldom uses more than 2100 Hz bandwidth, but the "channel" is 2500 Hz 
wide.

I hope all future mailbox operators will be just as considerate. An automatic 
station is unable to QSY, even if it could hear that it was interferring with 
an ongoing QSO, because it is necessary for it to remain on a published 
frequency in order to be contactable, and besides, there is nobody present at 
the automatic station in order to shift frequency.

How long do you REALLY expect the Winmor "busy channel detector" to stay 
enabled! 

73, Skip KH6TY
http://kh6ty.home.comcast.net


  - Original Message - 
  From: Rick W 
  To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:51 PM
  Subject: [digitalradio] PSKmail QRG and features/issues


  Of course, about 1 minute after I sent the message, I discovered the 
  information on the center frequency and it is as I had hoped.

  But ... Wow! Just tried out some of the PSKmail features and find it 
  very interesting. Once I realized that the Ping command will bring up 
  any of the servers that can hear you and tried it, the latency is about 
  zero. Almost instant response from a human perspective. Then no problem 
  connecting to the server that I kicked up. This is better than any other 
  mail system I have used in the past.

  Issues/Suggestions:

  - It was very difficult to actually use the frequency due to many other 
  stations transmitting on top of the server and my signals.

  - on the 30 meter band here in Region 2, the 10.140-10.150 area is quite 
  busy with the wide bandwidth modes that must operate here in order to 
  follow the band plan and FCC requirements for wide band. For example, 
  one of the two tones of a Pactor station covered the PSK250 tone and 
  then a MIL-STD-188-141A 8FSK125 transmission had its uppermost tone 
  obliterating anything that tries to use a narrow mode centered on 
  10.148. In fact, at one point all three of us were trying to us the same 
  frequency!

  - since PSK250 is just about right at 500 Hz in bandwidth, wouldn't it 
  be more appropriate to keep PSKmail in the 10.130-10.140 area which has 
  the band plan already designed for modes up to 500 Hz wide? We do need 
  to keep away from the commercial?/government? RTTY station located 
  around 10.130.

  - here in the U.S. stations that are operating automatically on HF can 
  operate anyplace within the RTTY/data portions of the bands as long as 
  the server stations only transmits when interrogated by a human operator 
  on the other side. And I think I am correct that this is the way PSKmail 
  works.

  - the other issue is the pulling of fldigi's receive frequency too far 
  from the center frequency. I am skeptical that PSK250 is the best mode 
  for any but good conditions since it is not very sensitive (- 2 db SNR). 
  It will be a tremendous benefit if we can use modes such as DominoEX 
  that would not require AFC.

  73,

  Rick, KV9U

  Rick W wrote:
  > What should be the set frequency? If the listed frequency of the server 
  > is 10.148, does that mean the center frequency? Therefore, if you have 
  > the center frequency set at 1500 Hz audio, you would put the rig at 
  > 10.146.5 USB dial frequency?
  >
  > 73,
  >
  > Rick, KV9U
  >