Re: [tdf-discuss] What features are missing when a JRE is missing in Windows ?
On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 16:58 +0100, RGB ES wrote: In a nutshell, without java you will not have: - Base Hi, Parts of Base will not function, not the entire module. The embedded HSQLdb database will not function, but other data store models will. The Form and 'native' report wizard not function, I think that's it. //drew - The bibliographic database - Some wizards you find on File - Wizards - Many extensions, like languagetool - I think some file converters (not sure about this one) Cheers 2011/1/30 Fabián Rodríguez magic...@member.fsf.org: Hi The Windows installer completes succesfully but when running the LibreOffice launcher for the first time several warnings indicating this function ... won't work without a JRE... install a JRE and restart LibreOffice without going into specifics. Which features will be missing in such case ? Is it best to always have the JRE under Windows ? Thanks for any details, I couldn't find this in the release notes or existing docs. Cheers, Fabian -- LibreOffice questions ? Des questions sur LibreOffice ? Preguntas acerca de LibreOffice ? Ask LibreOffice: http://libreoffice.shapado.com/ ~ Fabián Rodríguez http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:MagicFab -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] What features are missing when a JRE is missing in Windows ?
On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 19:31 +0100, Cor Nouws wrote: RGB ES wrote (30-01-11 16:58) 2011/1/30 Fabián Rodríguezmagic...@member.fsf.org: Which features will be missing in such case ? Is it best to always have the JRE under Windows ? In a nutshell, without java you will not have: - Base - The bibliographic database I think that still works via View Data Sources yes - dbf works without JRE and SpreadSheet source and ODBC data sources. //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice 3.3 exits when closing credits window
On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 15:03 +0100, Kevin André wrote: Hi. I downloaded the 3.3 release today and installed it. Started LibreOffice itself (not Writer or Calc), then went to LibreOffice Credits in the Help menu. When I closed that window, LibreOffice exited. If I try this with LibreOffice Writer instead of LibreOffice, the credits window behaves normally. Can someone else reproduce this? yes - same thing here. *chuckling*...well, it's easy to see why, from a black box view anyway. Will check for a bug report and open one if it isn't already, but I kind of think there is one already. //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: [us-marketing] Re: The Document Foundation launches LibreOffice 3.3
On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 09:25 -0500, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2011-01-25 06:06, Florian Effenberger a écrit : The Document Foundation launches LibreOffice 3.3 The first stable release of the free office suite is available for download Congrats on the release. When I unpack the final relase rpm's .tar.gz files, the filefolders created still say: LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86-64_install-rpm_en-US LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86-64_helppack-rpm_en-US LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86-64_helppack-rpm_fr LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86-64_langpack-rpm_fr Should the file folders still say rc4 or should they not just be eliminated. well, IMO, they should not but on a factual basis the Final is always the last RC, so it's awkward and a mistake but nothing beyond that. I'm sure someone will log a bug report on that, why not be that person yourself? Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice 3.3 exits when closing credits window
Will check for a bug report and open one if it isn't already, but I kind of think there is one already. Drew, it might be that one https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32269 Kind regards Hi Sophie That looks like it is, indeed :) Thanks much Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[steering-discuss] Re: [us-marketing] Reminder: Marketing ConfCall in 5 hours
On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 12:47 +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote: I explicitly do *not* want to talk about the Drupal topic in this call, please let's focus on the 3.3 release first. I totally agree - -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] ODFAuthors live!
On Sat, 2011-01-15 at 21:32 +0300, sophie wrote: Hi Olivier On 15/01/2011 21:07, Olivier Hallot wrote: Hi all, This is an interesting news that passed too quickly among the LO folks. I think we should say some king words on their initiative and advertise it stronger in our lists and channels. http://www.odfauthors.org Well, it seems it has not been announced yet by Jean (I was with Florian too early also ;-). May be we should just wait for Jean, Sigrid or Andreas to make the official announcement and then, bring the support you mentioned. Hi, Jean announced the site open today on the mailing list there. - already pushed a blog entry and a few tweets on it...but a more official one would be nice. Thanks, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] libreoffice.org e-mail accounts
On Fri, 2011-01-14 at 20:53 +0300, sophie wrote: Hi, On 14/01/2011 20:33, Volker Merschmann wrote: [...] For the rest: I do not like any of the offered domain names, they all are too long. I would like to see nickn...@libreoffice.org for the members. Agreed with Volker here, wouldn't be possible to have it as simple as nickn...@libreoffice.org? Other wise, my preferred choice would go to volunteer.nickn...@libreofficecommunity.org for the same concern as Christian's brain ones ;) Howdy, If you are going to issue email addresses just use the real name, if the risk is perceived as large then just say no. If you decide to issue these vanity email addresses I can see for leading word volunteer: nickn...@libreofficecommunity.org is a better choice IMO. Adios, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] libreoffice.org e-mail accounts
On Fri, 2011-01-14 at 23:47 +0100, Christoph Noack wrote: Hi all! Am Freitag, den 14.01.2011, 20:45 +0100 schrieb Italo Vignoli: On 1/14/11 8:21 PM, Olivier Hallot wrote: So, nickn...@libreoffice.org Leave the mail for TDF oficials as @documetnfoundation.org I totally agree with Olivier. Just to make the concept stronger, and to protect us from possible email trolls, we can add a specific paragraph in the bylaws. Yep, agree as well. (Especially since we'll never get rid of less informed people who spread strange information ... independent of any email address.) And if there are still some concerns, my proposal would be: forename.lastn...@community.libreoffice.org Howdy, I like that construct. You could also flip the problem or solution on it's head. Instead of an adornment such to remove authority use it to state it. forename.lastn...@bod.documentfounation.org forename.lastn...@esc.documentfounation.org Part of taking responsibility for the role is receiving such an address, when or if your roll reverts to community member only. nickn...@libreoffice.org Perhaps a special case of: forename.lastn...@documentfounation.org for paid staff. Just a thought - but again Christoph's change is pretty good IMO if that is the way you choose to go IMO. //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Email invitations for developers and users
On Wed, 2011-01-12 at 10:33 -0500, Fabián Rodríguez wrote: Hi, I am sending email invitations to my close network of friends and colleagues, and to projects I participate in, inviting them to join LibreOffice. I thought I'd share this. I'd like to ask where would be the best place in the wiki to put such examples and their translations ? I know within the Marketing project this makes sense but I also thought we'd need to expose this more. Of course adapt customize them depending on your audience, if you end up using any of them! These are just 3 examples: For end-users: [Trisquel-users] An invitation to ask your questions about LibreOffice on Ask LibreOffice http://listas.trisquel.info/pipermail/trisquel-users/2011-January/002372.html For developers: [Trisquel-devel] An invitation to become a LibreOffice contributor http://listas.trisquel.info/pipermail/trisquel-devel/2011-January/000345.html For end-users, in French: [Trisquel-utilisateurs] Invitation à connaître LibreOffice http://listas.trisquel.info/pipermail/trisquel-utilisateurs/2011-January/50.html Any comments/suggestions welcome. Hello Fabian Well, that is all well and good. I suppose you most likely saw what I said with regards to third party support sites and in the abstract I will stand by what I said. But i the real world we don't really work I abstracts do we. So - a couple of comments. Your emails have no link to the actual LibreOffice project. Your site has no links to the actual LibreOfficce project. Clicking on a LibreOffice logo and going any place other the http://libreoffice.org is not acceptable IMO (Which means I need to change 1 site I currently manage and I will do that today) Finally - whatever abstracts I believe in I believe in community more and when the LibreOffice trademark policy is published I will certainly stand behind the collective decision in that regard. OK - I just did not want any misunderstanding. Finally - you should understand that I will push very hard for these type of supports systems within the community project - I will also, assuming sites conform to the soon to be finished trademark policy fight for your right to exist also. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?
On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 11:21 +0100, Stefan Weigel wrote: That´s why I even advocate closing down http://libreofficeforum.org/ I could not disagree more strongly. He had every right to open that site, I don't like it, to say you can arbitrarily shut it down because it does not fit with your likings is the type of action that I am here to work against. Thanks -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?
On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 12:31 +0100, Stefan Weigel wrote: Hi David, Am 10.01.2011 11:53, schrieb David Nelson: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 18:42, Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org wrote: However, I haven´t had a closer look at Nabble. And I am asking myself if it could be a source of confusion for unexperienced users, who don´t even know, what a mailing list is, if Nabble looks and behaves almost like a forum, but actually is an interface to mailing lists. I don´t know, if this could turn out as an issue. Well, the solution can be to just configure it as read-only interface, for the moment... Plus there can be an explanation on the site about what Nabble actually is and what it provides. Sounds good to me. ;-) Hi Stefan, It doesn't sound good to me. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?
On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 16:33 +0100, Stefan Weigel wrote: Hi Drew, Am 10.01.2011 15:09, schrieb drew: On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 11:21 +0100, Stefan Weigel wrote: That´s why I even advocate closing down http://libreofficeforum.org/ I could not disagree more strongly. He had every right to open that site, I don't like it, to say you can arbitrarily shut it down because it does not fit with your likings is the type of action that I am here to work against. Please don´t get me wrong! (which could happen, if you quote my statement without its rationale!) Of course anybody has the right to establish a forum for whatever she/he likes. I am glad you agree with me that the owner of libreofficeforum.org had the right to open such a site. But it is my personal conviction, that opening http://libreofficeforum.org/ as yet another forum, although there were already well-established forums, is no benefit for the project or community. There were discussions about this in October last year, as well as there have been discussions about this today. There´s quite a lot of community members, who basically say the same: There is no need for more and more forums in parallel. What would you say, if people came up with multiple LibreOffice websites in parallel? What would you say, if people came up with multiple LibreOffice mailing lists in parallel? You have every right to open a website or mailing list about LibreOffice besides the existing one. But does it make sense? Is it good for the project and the community, after all? The same is for forums. No you are mixing apples and oranges when comparing the two types of sites, IMO. But even if that where not true, there is this: LibreOffice not OpenOffice. The application is not the same, and the organization is not the same. What part of that do you disagree with, please. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?
On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 17:12 +0100, Stefan Weigel wrote: Hi Drew, Am 10.01.2011 16:50, schrieb drew: But even if that where not true, there is this: LibreOffice not OpenOffice. The application is not the same, and the organization is not the same. What part of that do you disagree with, please. The forums and other support sites (and the people running them) that were running under the label of OpenOffice.org until LibreOffice was born, were supporting all derivates of OpenOffice.org and they still do. And since LibreOffice came up, they do support LibreOffice as well. So, in this sence, there is no difference between LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org. If some user needs to know how to use DataPilot or how to use Templates or how to import data via Base, there is no difference or no noteworthy difference between LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org. That´s why I beleive it does not make sense to have well-established forums that cover all derivates of OpenOffice.org including LibreOffice and yet additional forums dedicated to LibreOffice. Stefan Ok, that is good. Well, in the particular of the moment you are correct that most of the application is the same. - but I do not want to be tied to OpenOffice.org in any way - the ability to support OpenOffice.org users at our support site will be possible also - the time to begin building our knowledgebase is now, while it is still possible to easily enhance it through the availability of the older forums. - the existence of multiple support options IMO is a positive for end users, not a negative and causes no burden to our project. Slightly off topic but it is part of this issue: As to the question of a single monolithic view of the project, all things LibreOffice will be at one domain, this is a basic assumption that I an not willing to adhere to. There is great value in a networked view, I am not advocating a lack of concern for the trademark, that will be from time to time necessary and is part of our responsibilities, but I am most vigorously arguing against a view that all things should flow into a single point, rather that we build an organization that flows outwards, we support the efforts and initiatives of others that make use of this Free Open Source application we build. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?
On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 19:56 +0300, sophie wrote: Hi Drew, On 10/01/2011 19:41, drew wrote: [...] Slightly off topic but it is part of this issue: As to the question of a single monolithic view of the project, all things LibreOffice will be at one domain, this is a basic assumption that I an not willing to adhere to. There is great value in a networked view, I am not advocating a lack of concern for the trademark, that will be from time to time necessary and is part of our responsibilities, but I am most vigorously arguing against a view that all things should flow into a single point, rather that we build an organization that flows outwards, we support the efforts and initiatives of others that make use of this Free Open Source application we build. I think there is a different view also coming from the native language groups because I think of the lack of 'marketing the community' we have met in the past. The forum is a great support and resource for users, but we also have to think on how to get new members contributing to the project. From our experience in the FR community, but I think it's also true for other languages, the forum didn't help us here. Hi Sophie, Just looking at one issues here (in this email): 1) There is the very real need to keep a steady influx of new blood into the project - this in the end is our capital. Here the only real way I see to address that from the perspective of a web forum is to host an official forum, in this setting there are mechanisms which can be built to aid in nurturing new contributors, but also in leveraging the knowledgebase that will form, for delivery to other users looking for support. 2) In an environment of multiple sites being run by multiple groups or individuals it is still possible to leverage both the knowledge and the resources using current web technologies. I agree that there was not enough effort in the past on this within the OO.o web forums, mostly though I feel that was a due to the fact that in the beginning and for whatever reason the main project would not support an official site and so ONLY third party sites sprang up, any way that is how I perceived it. If that is the pattern again then again I don't see how we will be able to address this particular need - or at best it will be much more difficult. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?
On Tue, 2011-01-11 at 00:02 +0800, David Nelson wrote: Hi Drew, :-) On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 22:11, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: It doesn't sound good to me. So can you clarify what your position is with regard to Nabble? Hi David, Sure - I would use nabble the way it is currently configured..but then I may be bias on that. There are already a number of people signing up there and beginning to use it to post to the mailing lists, more then I expected actually. To make nabble read only would be to circumvent the real advantage of making if available, the ability to post to a LibreOffice/TDF mailing without being moderated, in other words subscribed, but without having to deal with every response going to your mail box. Sure same deal with a few other options, but that is then thing about choice, different solutions appeal to different people. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Download libreoffice button in new LibreOffice website
On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 19:38 +0100, Christian Lohmaier wrote: use the source :-) You didn't really just go there...LOL..must be having a good day. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?
On Sun, 2011-01-09 at 16:04 +0100, RGB ES wrote: https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/forums/ They are hidden (no link on the help page) and you cannot post on them yet, but they exists and you can register ;) So my question is: how those forums will be organized? There will be one for each local site or only one on English? Categories? Organization (moderators, etc.)? Regards Ricardo Howdy Ricardo, May I just ask first, before responding to others. You where part of the discussion on the user services forum, I think, at least I am pretty sure you would have read the last discussion in the admin area. So - do you think we should have a LibreOffice web forum? Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?
On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 08:24 +0800, David Nelson wrote: Instead, we have a Nabble interface to the mailing lists: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org Personally I would not use the forum functions in the nabble interface, but as a straight view to the mailing list archives I don't see a problem. I would explain why not the forum functions if you like, in a follow up mail. But for this email, if you guys want to integrate it I don't see why it would not be easily done - I would think, don't know, it should be very similar to adding the twitter notification box, or a CSE js. There are pros and cons - Language is one. English only for the nabble interface. But that isn't maybe a problem, if one limits it to the en pages...anyway that would be the NL teams call I would say. You can link in at any level - so a page can start at the user list, or can start at the libreoffice level above, or a NL level. For myself I would not use nabble as a substitute for a full forum, or one of the newer forum/rate/FAQ style systems - but different subject and different thread on the ML. But that is just what I think, I registered the nabble site and intended to make it public, I would not of used the forum functions, but since then it's moved to the main site so it's not my call anymore. Best wishes, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?
On Sun, 2011-01-09 at 19:54 -0800, Andy Brown wrote: Since my computer time dates back to the old BBS days I prefer email over forums but I can understand why some others would prefer forums, for one time questions and not wanting to get overloaded with emails. Actually, IMO, it isn't a question of web forums vs no web forums, assuming our efforts are successful and a large number of LibreOffice users materialize - something I feel strongly will happen - then sites will open to support them, beyond just these two. OO.o (extended and unofficial) had nearly two dozen different web forums or wikis scattered about, and I bet I missed a few. This is good I think, these third party support sites - it is the economic engine of the FOSS world if you think about it. The question is, I believe, only that of whether there is a web forum within the project domains and I do understand that different people can come to honest differences of opinion on the merit of that. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Urgent call for sample files for producing screenshots
On Sat, 2011-01-08 at 15:57 +0300, sophie wrote: Hi all, On 08/01/2011 15:48, David Nelson wrote: Hi, :-) I need some more sample files with which I can produce screenshots for the libreoffice.org, from *all* the LibO apps. If you have LibO files (from Writer, Calc and Impress) that contain attractively-presented content that is not copyrighted, please mail them to me ASAP. If you have any well-presented equations for Math, I need some more too. Similarly, if you have any databases for Base with well-peopled tables, and with forms and reports, I need them, too. In English and not under Windows, please :-) Windowsarrrgh - ok. *smile* @David - is there a particular size you want? Thanks for any help. ;-) +1 +1 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Urgent call for sample files for producing screenshots
On Sat, 2011-01-08 at 21:19 +0800, David Nelson wrote: And Sophie, sorry, but they *will* be under Windows, not Linux, even though I'm a full-time Linux user myself, because Hi David, I don't remember all the details on the research on this from OO.o but I certainly remember it happened. @David There are many things such as layout of the screens right now that I would simply defer to you at the moment, however in your statement above there isn't any because, because that just isn't the type of unilateral decision any one of us can make, in that fashion, on something like this. I know from reading your other mail that you have created shots under MS Windows and am sorry for what is therefore a burden on your efforts but I don't think there is a lot of wiggle room here. There are a few files I've found that would show well IMO and I can theme close to MS Windows but using Ubuntu or SUSE right now and honestly it would be nice to, IMO, and I know 'we' could, get a set of Mac screens also - which is not entangled, I think. Anyway, that is how I see it and is my opinion. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 17:11 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: If we are looking to promote this to corporations it will need to have one, and we could give them the option to install one. A home user might opt out of installing it if they don't want an email client Right - well, it depends to a degree on how you define it being part of the suite - in the case of LibreOfficeBox, which is the distribution DVD created by the OOoDev team, most of whom are also part of the LibreOffice team the disc includes Thunderbird - so at one level it is at least bundled together . (They also include SeaMonkey in that package.) Now there is no English version of that DVD, which I propose is where members of the English speaking community could get involved - it could be recreated in English. For that matter, using the LibreOfficeDVD project as a reference, other groups could form to create alternate bundles. Following the reference these groups need not be formal projects in TDF but could form as auxiliary projects. Anyway - it just seems to me that when this conversation comes up, as it does from time to time, that this approach never is brought up. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Co-working with Moz, etc
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 00:33 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Isn't that what the goal is of this project to slowly eat away at Microsoft's majority market share? it's not my goal - or at least it is not the goal - I would prefer to work on delivering a very good tool to the user base. I would like to expand the idea of openness and I am most certainly hoping to act in some small way as a counter balance to the big-corporate culture. Eating away at MSO market share is a side-effect really. I would like to embrace MSO, to welcome there still feeble steps into the open source model and to most certainly hold their feet to the fire when it comes to using recognized standards. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format
On Sat, 2011-01-01 at 10:52 -0800, Carl Symons wrote: On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 3:30 AM, Olivier Hallot olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org wrote: snip I clicked on the list of events link on http://www.documentfoundation.org/. There are several events listed for North America. Would TDF consider being at LinuxFest Northwest in Bellingham, 4/30 5/1? There will be an official call for papers in early January, but people can register at www.linuxfestnorthwest.org. LFNW is a true open source expo, free admission, completely run by volunteers...one of the longest running Fests in the US. If there are LibOers in the Pacific NW, please contact me off-list if you'd like to help put together a LibreOffice track. We are looking for presentations for people who are new to FOSS. Hi Carl Sorry for a few days delay here - Indeed the event was added to the wiki and there is a potential volunteer for staffing a booth at the fest. As Italo mentioned this has been discussed in the last couple of days over on the US-Marketing list. Looking at what resources can be put together for the booth. If you can get a track together that would be great, or if you can help in the booth or finding others to help in the booth, also wonderful. - I went ahead and sent this to your direct email feel free to contact me direct, but it would be better to coordinate things on the list, primarily. There are other US specific subjects that I would really like to get peoples input on, so it would be really nice to see you join us there. Thanks much, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Update on the Foundation
We finally came to the following decision. We will incorporate a Foundation in Germany (called Stiftung in German) in early 2011. A german foundation will provide us with many advantages of various kinds, among them, 100% tax-deductible donations. Hello Charles, et al. 100% tax-deductible donations. Just to be clear here, you mean that donations to this foundation will be deductible by the individual making the donation? Donations, provided you are under the German tax law (you live in Germany or have a subsidiary in German) will be 100% tax deductible by you. That fiscal advantage might, depending on the ongoing legal works surrounding one common law for European Foundation, be extended to other european memberstates. Charles, Thanks, that is what I assumed and just wanted to be sure. In order to incorporate there we will however need some initial capital and resources (around fifty thousand (50,000) Euros). If we do not manage to collect this sum in a reasonable amount of time, we will switch to our second best option and incorporate a charity in the United Kingdom, which is much cheaper. Could you put some sort of time-frame to reasonable? [just your folks thoughts on what reasonable is here] I don't really know, but if we're stuck with 3 thousand bucks at the end of February it might be time to reconsider options. (that's just my own perception). Looking at the account statements Thomas has been publishing - What 2022 [with inflation that could slip to 2030, I suppose] isn't going to be soon enough for you? :-) Still with the decision being to form in Germany and a price tag of 50,000 Euros it seems that a bit more then two months would be in order. When you folks came to the decision there must of been some idea of where the monies would come from, yes? Is it assumed that most will come from a small number of large donations then and two months being sufficient time then to garner actual donations or pledges from these few large sponsors? Thanks again Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Happy New Year from Arizona
Happy New Year from Cumberland, MD and a video card to go along with my Best wishes for a wonderful new year: http://youtube.com/libreofficevols or a HD Theora file of the video can be downloaded here http://oucv.org/libreoffice/happy_new_year_LibreOffice.ogv.tar.gz Happy New Year Drew On Sat, 2011-01-01 at 17:07 +, Zaphod Feeblejocks wrote: HNY from Northern Ireland On 1 Jan 2011 at 2:38, Timothy Mark Brennan, Jr. wrote: Happy New Year from Brazil 2011/1/1 Prabath Galagamage gprab...@gmail.com: Happy New Year from Sri Lanka On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Craig A. Eddy ty...@cox.net wrote: Happy New Year from The Valley of the Sun in Arizona. Although it tried to be The Valley of the Snow with this last storm. Despite strange weather patterns, here's wishing all of you a BETTER new year. Craig A. Eddy Tyche -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Prabath Galagamage http://textlk.blogspot.com/ http://agniezine.wordpress.com/ http://www.ejsa.info -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Why is LO/OOo so slow loading a spreadsheet?
On Sat, 2010-12-04 at 13:17 -0800, NoOp wrote: Here is his original: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=107217 [xlsx: no warning on incomplete load for more than 64k rows] grabbed it and opening on my Ubuntu maching, LibO 3.3 beta 3 is pretty slow indeed. set the formatting for the A column to default (no leading zeros) and save as XLSX format - now the file _without_ the custom format string loads in about 10 seconds. Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Why is LO/OOo so slow loading a spreadsheet?
On Sat, 2010-12-04 at 16:38 -0500, drew wrote: On Sat, 2010-12-04 at 13:17 -0800, NoOp wrote: Here is his original: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=107217 [xlsx: no warning on incomplete load for more than 64k rows] grabbed it and opening on my Ubuntu maching, LibO 3.3 beta 3 is pretty slow indeed. set the formatting for the A column to default (no leading zeros) and save as XLSX format - now the file _without_ the custom format string loads in about 10 seconds. OOOPS - belay that. Seems when you save the file with the 300,000 rows as an XLSX it truncates it to 64K lines...hmmm is there an issue on that? Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Why is LO/OOo so slow loading a spreadsheet?
On Sat, 2010-12-04 at 14:22 -0800, plino wrote: drew, I just tested it in Windows and the resulting xlsx it's not only truncated it is also corrupted in such a way that Gnumeric can't open it (although Excel 2007 and LO can still open it) No wonder it is faster (and the file smaller), it just deleted nearly 240.000 lines :lol: Hi, Well, just verified that LibO does truncate spreadsheet files at 64K rows and that OO.o 3.2.1 does not. So, would you like to open an issue for this - your file - or I will if you like? Also - setting the cells to use default number formatting does NOT speed up loads BTW...bummer. Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Updated draft of the Community Bylaws
On Sat, 2010-12-04 at 02:41 +0800, David Nelson wrote: Hi, :-) On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 02:08, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: What there is not, that I can see, is a way for the general membership to remove the board, or a particular member of the board, beyond the annual elections. Consider the following situation: The ESC makes a decision regarding the code that the BOD disagrees with and exercises their rights under the ByLaws to place the ESC under administration. Telling the ESC to either conform to the board's wishes or to disband and allow the BOD to appoint a new ESC. ... There should be a way for the membership, which through their vote is after all the source of authority exercised by the BOD, to step in and remove the board. Firstly - this would be IMO an extraordinary circumstance of course, and whatever mechanism one would put in place _must_ present a rather high hurdle in order to trigger application. Without offering any specific details on mechanics for the moment, what I'm thinking of is a way for the general membership to call for an early election of the board in such an extraordinary situation. i don't think I'd want a mechanism to go as far as discharging the BoD, Hello David, but maybe there could be a mechanism by which community members could call for a ballot to be cast on a motion put forward by concerned activists (kind of like organizing a petition)? This mechanism would then provisionally block implementation of the contentious decision until the vote has been held. The outcome of the vote would be binding. Actually I would not be in favor of this approach. I would not want to go down a path of general membership binding initiatives, the BOD, IMO, is the body to make decisions in all normal circumstances. So, this would be a highly circumscribed process with only one of two possible outcomes: There is an early election of board members or there is not. Does that help to clarify my thinking here? Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Responsible FreeDesktop Bugzilla
On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 20:02 +0100, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: Hi, can we find a volunteer with some Bugzilla knowledge who will get permission for adding new versions and similar? For details please see https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31783! Regards Hello Rainer Just getting a chance to check mails, I see you volunteered yourself today- however if you are still looking for someone to help here I'm happy to pitch in. No experience with bugzilla but I'm a pretty quick study usually. Best wishes, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] New support list suggestion
On Sat, 2010-11-20 at 16:55 -0500, Lyle Cochran wrote: From a promotional perspective, I'd use terminology like Migrating from Microsoft Office. This provides implicit reinforcement that migrating to LibO from MSO is such a common occurrence that we need a special section in our FAQ for it, and fits into the narrative of our inevitable project growth. -Ben Benjamin Horst +1 Perhaps For Microsoft Users item in Help drop down menu. +1 I would offer another idea also (as addition to and separate from, I believe) this user extensible FAQ, ODF support for MSO users. - there is a lot of effort in helping LibO users that need to exchange documents with MSO users. What to do with a .doc(x) you receive and how to generate .doc(x) [et al 'x' formats]. What I really think would be worth doing is a special page for MSO users that are confronted with interacting with LbreOffice users. So - You received a .odt, How do you work with that in MSO. You are a MSO user and need to generate a document for a Danish agency and need ODF compliance - What are your options. If we did that right it would be a huge promotional, there are people that will be needing to do this, now and more as time goes on - offer a respectful and helpful service for these folks, so they can do their job efficiently and I am quite certain it would nurture a large number of individuals more open to looking at LibreOffice in particular and I believe, FOSS in general for their personal and perhaps business use. -- anyway, just something I've mulled over from time to time and my contribution to the crazy idea list perhaps :-) Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Community bylaws
On Fri, 2010-11-19 at 16:07 +, Michael Meeks wrote: On Fri, 2010-11-19 at 07:56 -0500, drew wrote: The ESC, do you see this as a very active group, for instance working as the release team, meeting often and looking at individual issues? Wrt. looking at individual issues, probably not - unless they have wide reaching consequences; but to better co-ordinate on the burning issues of the day, and have a final say on things like: Do we port entirely to Java (I think 'no' but ... ;-) And to be a responsible backstop for technical issues - which often simply require a decision - any decision being far better than none. Right - thanks. Your description is what I understood as their function, the 'release team' reference simply caused be to say 'Huh?'. Ciao, Drew -- E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice should have own LibreOfficeFont
On Sat, 2010-11-20 at 10:45 +0930, Michael Wheatland wrote: Just because FlashCounter found a dumb way to collect statistics doesn't mean you have to do something dumber. Dave. LOL but still +1 Beautiful timeless fonts are difficult and to create, you can't just throw them together like that font building website suggests. I think though the original idea was to use the font as a marker (a font not expected to be widely.,..errr..appreciated ... might actually aid in that) - problem I have with that is, although I understand how the ideas comes about, I'm worried it has 'totally misconstrued' written all over it. Placing a marker in the binary distro, just as a marker, so we could setup fly by counting services at some cooperative web sites...think about that for second and how you know some folks would react...it wouldn't be pretty. my .02 worth anyway Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [steering-discuss] By-Laws / BOD elections
On Tue, 2010-11-16 at 15:40 +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Members get the right to vote, and to elect other Members, on a one member, one vote basis - that really was the question, not specific logistics. Great, no need to follow up any further on this here, for me. Best wishes, Drew -- E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Added a couple videos to the LibreOfficeVols youtube channel
Hi, Just wanted to let people know: A couple more videos where added to the youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/libreofficeVols Also added a link to a video, that I did not include in the channel to the micro-blog group: http://libreofficevols.status.net/group/vids I'm trying to search every other day for new videos, but if you see one drop a line here, or me an email, or use the micro-blog to get the word out and I'll move it onto a list at the YouTube channel. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: About Cacert SSL certificates (was: Feature request for 3.3 still possible?)
On Wed, 2010-11-10 at 07:01 +0100, Stefan Weigel wrote: Actually there is almost nothing yet There is a niffty download js widgetnice! drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: About Cacert SSL certificates (was: Feature request for 3.3 still possible?)
On Wed, 2010-11-10 at 07:52 +0100, Stefan Weigel wrote: Had to look up nifty hmmm - aufregend gut ? -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
[tdf-discuss] OOXML support in LibreOffice
Hi, I wanted to add my support to the idea that LibreOffice should be standards compliant, where at all possible. This should IMO be interpreted broadly rather then narrowly. LibreOffice should be tightly wound around the ODF, but not married exclusively to it, would be another way I would put it. Well, I didn't want to muck up the SC list, but I did want to comment on what was being discussed there. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
[tdf-discuss] New UI - OOo compatability - What we are about?
HI, This email is prompted from reading a couple of the discussions going on, or just recently having gone on. This question of a new UI for LibreOffice for instance, is a good one to move into what I wanted to touch on. I believe the question itself is wrong - or to say it avoids looking at other ways to achieve the goals of those wanting to explore options for change. Basically what I want to say is this - I hope we find a way to construct our association, or collective efforts, such that it fosters growth in a lateral fashion, not just from the perspective of a single application. Do we really want to say that we, our efforts, are only to support this one application, LibreOffice? Do we not want to rather say that we are all collectively working to deliver the best possible tools for the document generation market? (ok, not the best wording..) This new organization, freed from the dominance of a single vendor, should not limit it's scope to only the this one artifact, brought from the old, LibreOffice. Rather, I hope, it should be capable of supporting new ideas, and new approaches. Certainly there are valid and proper, concerns with regards to compatibility with OO.o with regards to LibreOffice now and going forward. But they should not be an over riding concern when it comes to all our endeavors. Think about the situation back at OO.o with the Education project - How should we handle a situation such as this, where a group of active individuals, members of the larger group, decide to pursue a specialized derivative of the main application - would be shun them? What if a young designer, or an old one..lol.., proposes some radical ideas - and some young developers see the same vision and want to pursue it - will we have a way to help, and support them - or will we view it only as a loss from the perspective of work-hours on the libreOffice application? Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibO program icon brainstorming
On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 08:50 +1300, Graham Lauder wrote: Finally on the wiki http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeLogoMod_yo.png Nice - I like the softer feel.. Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Thninking about a user focused web forum - and user support in general
Howdy Todd There are a bunch of features that I think would be helpful. The ones I can think of right now: * As Marc pointed out, it has the guided posting system. This walks you through making a new post, to make sure the post ends up in the proper place and has the necessary information. * It also has the brainstorm forum, which is an integrated system for proposing, voting on, discussing, and tracking feature requests. * It has a keyword tagging system for posts that helps you find what you are looking for. * There is a Solved button on each post. The person that solved the problem clicks the button on the post that had the solution in it, letting others uses with the same problem jump straight to the solution right from the topic list or search results (they just click a checkbox icon). It also lets people trying to help know that the thread doesn't need them. * It has a button on the topic list and search results that lets you jump straight to the first unread post in a thread. * It automatically aggregates news from the official KDE news sources, the KDE website and KDE Dot News, with the ability to comment on them. There is also a specific forum just for new releases. * It has integrated icons for common operating systems (including Linux distributions) to make it easy to tell at a glance what sort of system the person you are trying to help has. * The theme is designed to match the theme used by the rest of the KDE websites (all official KDE websites use a common theme, including the forums). * It has flags for countries below each username and language-specific forums. The forum you referred me to may have some of these, but I did not see them when I looked. -Todd Excellent - to keep from losing it I added this in toto to the discuss page on the wiki http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User_talk:Drew/oo-forums //drew -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Thninking about a user focused web forum - and user support in general
On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 11:57 -0500, Sam wrote: One or two things I would like to see is the ability to tag a thread to watch for replies and bookmark. The first allows a user to notified of new replies with out having to comment directly. The second allow the user to mark a thread for future reference. The official OOo forum allows this and to me a great idea. Thanks Andy, I've been meaning to implement this, but I never got around to doing it. Today I enabled both features. Please give it a try and let me know if there are any issues. Thanks! Sam @ http://LibreOfficeForum.org Hi Sam, Andy Just a BTW I added one of the features from the ooo forum that I liked w/screen shot to the wiki page - this is a discuss page, feel free to make use of it http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User_talk:Drew/oo-forums Also thee is a micro-blog site that has gone up, using status net (identi.ca) servers, so you can use your existing Twitter or OpenId to connect there - I've invited anyone, and am doing so again here aren't I, that is moderating at one of the ooo forums or is an active responder in any of those and you want to talk about user support in general and libreoffice in particular to connect to it.. there is a group setup at http://libreofficevols.status.net/group/liboforums Finally, not sure if I did this already, here, but also added a link to the japanese support site, using a wiki, muc closer to what Sam has setup, at the survey page wiki section: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew/oo-forums#Wikis pukiwiki, cool //drew -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Thninking about a user focused web forum - and user support in general
HI, I'm tossing this out onto 3 lists - website, and discuss I was kind of hoping to get some interest on the users list specific to web forum ideas - I know that this has already started. Anyway - a quick pointer this this review page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew/oo-forums For website maybe a little broader, I also setup a microblog site, what is that...darned if I really know..being an old foggy and all, but you can see it at - I added an item to the conference call about this - if we see a way to use it...btw http://libreofficevols.status.net Thanks Drew -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?
on Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Drew Jensen d...@baseanswers.com meant to write: - sorry, the pronoun 'you' - I was _not_ talking about you the individual there. Ahh, yes of course Sorry! Silly me ! Best wishes, Drew -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 10:31 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote: Il 20/10/2010 5.46, M. Fioretti ha scritto: The real question was why didn't the TDF founders who have/had official roles in OOo publicly resign from those roles on Sept 28th, one second BEFORE announcing the birth of TDF? Would'nt it have been much more proper, considering that creating TDF is basically saying in public the way Oracle is handling OOo sucks so much that we can't take it anymore? Why all this surprise now? Formally, and form is important in this matter, TDF *will be* a new legal entity that Oracle could want to join. And an offer in such sense has been made. An official answer is still missing. Among gentlemen, any question needs an answer, doesn't it? Well, I wouldn't have gone public with LibO project without having the legal structure of the Foundation in existence, Hello Gianluca, I suppose the key part of the sentence there is the missing 'if', if you had to make the decision. Being in the seat that did have to make the decision is a totally different perspective from offering advice. No doubt Charles and the others received advice from many quarters, but they had to decide for themselves - I respect that you stuck by what you felt was the right decision. So, can we talk about competing with OO.o now, or are all you 'touchy feely types' gonna say I'm too confrontational...*shy grin* Drew -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Isa this the Hotel California? Can't Delist
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 12:08 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: LOL :) Charles Marcus wrote on 2010-10-19 22.36: Heh... I guess that day will come around the same time that hell freezes over, pigs fly and monkeys come out of my butt...;) and should any of that happen - by all means grab a video camera and get it up on YouTube...be sure to post a link here. Actually, - in the case of the 'big freeze' I expect Tux to play a role. - pigs flying, I wont those swine in official LibreOffice Golf Shirts - as for the monkey thing..a Windows logo should do Caio Drew -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 10:33 +0200, Andre Schnabel wrote: Hi Gainluca, Well, we're now talking about *meaningful* contribution and evaluation... ;-) That's an important step ahead. On the wiki a read: all these contributions need to be non-trivial and last for a certain time frame. Then, there's a desperate need for a clear definition about what is *enough* to join TDF: 10 lines of code? A logo? 1000 work hours? A too low entry level increases the risks of hijacking, a too high entry level hinder the growing of the Foundation. In a two level acceptation process (contribution + evaluation of contribution by current members) it's fundamental, IMO, to set a level of contribution for membership that can be considered *consistent* in time and/or work and is *certain*. Ok, so may we agree to the general idea to this process (contribute - apply for membership - contributions gets evaluated - membership gets approved or denied) but need to find a good definition what amount / time of contributions qualify for acceptance? Hello André, I like the above paragraph also - as for strict or general requirements, I would tend to favor general, it is IMO the only workable way to get quality of contribution into the mix. One question: Beyond voting for the 'legal entity' board of directors, what other, if any, types of issues do you see the general membership voting on? I ask that to get a feel for the size of the group expected...more on that as a follow up I think. Thanks Drew -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote: Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto: 1. what will it cost if you have to rewrite the authors code and all derived works. 2. what if you just remove the code Contributions are not only code. There are a lot of intangibles. Marketing, lobbying and advocating work are some examples. Please let us not expand what defines contribution. Lobbying should not IMO garner admittance. Advocating should not. Working on this project(s) should be the only work that counts. Thanks, Drew -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 21:00 +0800, David Nelson wrote: Hi, :-) Maybe you could just get yourselves sponsored as an Apache Software Foundation project +1 -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 11:18 +0200, Andre Schnabel wrote: I've been asked at the German Lists (Oracle developers discussed heavily on this list within the last two weeks) Hi just so I'm clear - you mean an Oracle developer is discussing things on the German lists, yes? -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 13:16 -0400, Drew Jensen wrote: On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote: Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto: 1. what will it cost if you have to rewrite the authors code and all derived works. 2. what if you just remove the code Contributions are not only code. There are a lot of intangibles. Marketing, lobbying and advocating work are some examples. Please let us not expand what defines contribution. Lobbying should not IMO garner admittance. Advocating should not. Working on this project(s) should be the only work that counts. Actually, I would need to amend that last sentence: Work on the main project or it's accepted sub-projects. For instance there may be extensions - either directly as Add-ons to the LibreOffice package, possibly even extensions to desktop packages with features specifically created to support LibreOffice and the ODF. Thanks Drew -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 20:30 +0200, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Hello, Le Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:16:37 -0400, Drew Jensen d...@baseanswers.com a écrit : On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote: Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto: 1. what will it cost if you have to rewrite the authors code and all derived works. 2. what if you just remove the code Contributions are not only code. There are a lot of intangibles. Marketing, lobbying and advocating work are some examples. Please let us not expand what defines contribution. Lobbying should not IMO garner admittance. Why? Lobbying done in a professional way is a lot of work... my opinions follow - so I don't have write IMO 10 times...*smile* - If you lobby your local government for FOSS (even if LibreOfficee is included) then I would not consider that as working on this project. - If you write a lot of blogs that advocate FOSS and LibreOffice I also would not count that. - If you you go to shows/events/fairs and you work the halls, that is not working for this project, even if you mention LibreOffice a lot. - if you do that AND you also are active on the MLs here, you are on the marketing conference calls and you pitch in to help write and execute a marketing plan. Then you _are_ working on the project. -- I think that is how I would put it, but it could be refined no doubt. Best, Charles. Advocating should not. Working on this project(s) should be the only work that counts. +1 Charles. Thanks, Drew -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 14:48 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-10-20 14:10, Drew Jensen a écrit : On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 13:16 -0400, Drew Jensen wrote: On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote: Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto: 1. what will it cost if you have to rewrite the authors code and all derived works. 2. what if you just remove the code Contributions are not only code. There are a lot of intangibles. Marketing, lobbying and advocating work are some examples. Please let us not expand what defines contribution. Lobbying should not IMO garner admittance. Advocating should not. Working on this project(s) should be the only work that counts. Actually, I would need to amend that last sentence: Work on the main project or it's accepted sub-projects. For instance there may be extensions - either directly as Add-ons to the LibreOffice package, possibly even extensions to desktop packages with features specifically created to support LibreOffice and the ODF. Thanks Drew So you are proposing that a contributor is someone who has contributed either hard code or plug-in code etc. to the project. The contributions MUST be associated some way to code or ODF code convention. If you are asking for membership and your area of contribution is coding then yes - but it is not the only type of work that is considered. Presumably then, no one other than a dev or dev-like contributor could become a TDF member. The draft on the wiki specifically lists marketing and other actions as working on the project. So, let's take me as an example, I am part of the Canadian Marketing Team which is starting from zero resources and contacts. If I make arrangements for Marcon's in our 12 regions of my country; make arrangements for large city LibO representatives; make arrangements for a national conference with conference facilities for our newly expanded Canadian Marketing Team and then try to find corporate sponsorship for both Canadian Marketing Team and LibO advertising and installfests etc. This according to your criteria would not suffice to award me membership into the TDF. Would this not, in some way, be considered as a contributor to the TDF? If not, then how would I be able to make my voice heard to the TDF membership when there was an issue that I would consider important to me or LibO? If yes, then, what measure could we use, to consider such a person as described, to award membership status. How much would a person have to contribute (I am still taking my example as Canadian Marketing Team member) to be awarded membership status? See my response to Charles and Mike a few minutes ago for my thoughts on that. For that matter, how about the people providing on the localization projects? Again specifically mentioned in the draft. IMHO, I believe you are skipping one major step by establishing membership criteria to the TDF. The hierarchy must be established first and then define membership. That is one approach - I don't think it is one that most here would sign onto..but could be wrong. I'm still chewing that over.. The hierarchy is pretty well evident as I has posted my suggestion re: this before and out of coincidence James Walker, in a different way, suggested, on this thread, the same organization of the TDF project as I had. I am sure that we will not be the only ones to define it this way as it is the natural way to organize the groups. (I quote James Walker here for the sake of convenience, below) Thanks - I'll add comments to that email from James. Drew -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 22:01 +0200, Mike Dupont wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Drew Jensen d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 19:45 +0200, Mike Dupont wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:19 PM, BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com wrote: You can define contribution as documents or commits to a repository or wiki, or recruiting of new members to a team, you can define karma like ubuntu lauchpad does. I have done alot of advocating and promoting of OOO in Kosovo, Hello Mike, Ok - let's try to refine this. trying to find translators and also aquiring the source code of the 2.0 translation. That is actively working on the project, IMO. I have also spent ... time on events and meetings. That is actively working on the project, per the definition at the wiki page. To be honest, a facebook app would be the best way to get people to contribute, Here is an interesting one - let's say that you did not actively work on translations (yet) and you have not started working at the booth in fairs and expos (yet..:) - but you started with your own initiative by creating a Facebook app, in fact let's pull that down a notch and say that you have started a FB fan page which is focused on LibreOffice, and you have dutifully worked that fan page for some period of time. ( let's say 6 months) Now you come and ask for membership - I would say that is probably not enough for me to agree, but it would be a factor I would consider, if you where doing other things also. Just some thoughts on that. I am not asking for membership, I am stating what minimal things I have done for OOO. Howdy Mike I should know better - sorry, the pronoun 'you' - I was talking about you the individual there. Rather was just postulating to a generic person. I picked on the fb scenario, where the person(a) _primarily_ and perhaps exclusively, works in social media promoting LibreOffice/TDF/ODF, because it is well known to me, having put a few together, that was the only reason for using it. I am able to do coding etc, my role in this project for the albanian language will be in recruiting members and finding funding or motivation for the localization, until the point that we find someone better to take over this. My membership is with the flossk.org group that we founded in Right - and the draft on the wiki quite specifically states that no one would need to pick a project, joining this one in other words, over another. So you can be active on multiple projects - of course. If you look at what is in the email and the wiki page I believe you will see that translating is most certainly considered contributing. Same is true for working a LibreOffice booth at a fair or linux fest. If I get offered membership, I will hope that it is because I earned it, and I am also able to cut code, but am already over committed on things right now. Understond - most here are. What we really need to do is come up with ideas on making libreoffice smaller and more managable, Come on over the the libreoffice ml with the developers, lurk for a while, who knows you might just have the right idea in the right conversation.. Best wishes, Drew -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 22:21 +0200, Sigrid Carrera wrote: Hi Drew, Am Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:44:32 -0400 schrieb Drew Jensen d...@baseanswers.com: On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 11:18 +0200, Andre Schnabel wrote: I've been asked at the German Lists (Oracle developers discussed heavily on this list within the last two weeks) Hi just so I'm clear - you mean an Oracle developer is discussing things on the German lists, yes? yes, you are correct. Btw, more than just one... you can read there messages from Martin Hollmichel, Björn Michaelsen, Frank Peters, Mathias Bauer, Ingrid Halama (although only one or two from him and her), Christian Lippka, Andreas Bartel and probably a few more, that I've missed. Hello Sigrid, Excellent - thanks, names are much easier for me to search against. It's much slower going for me there to keep up. (laughing continuing my walk to realizations of added burdens to folks some and to actually fully grasp it. The chance to _not_ be stuck in just English is one of the things that initially kept me at OO.o, just for a personal note there.) To be fair, they do discuss on the international lists as well, but my impression is, that they are much more discussing on the de-dev-list. Yeah - makes sense...I've only followed the en lists there...time to add a couple new ml to my client. Ciao Drew -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 19:55 -0500, Barbara Duprey wrote: Howdy Barbara I don't have anything against forums (though I hope we can avoid having two top-level ones, as for OOo, and careful planning is needed in determining the subforums). The main difference, which is a positive for some and a negative for others, A breif look at some numbers - and ideas for how we offer mail lists/forums maybe. is that mailing lists are passive (people get mail when No, they must run some type of reader - this can include a notification agent in their OS or Browser. it's posted) and forums/newsgroups require action to see messages. Every web forum I know of send notification email to the original poster whenever a response is posted to a thread they created. With that in mind there is no real difference between traditional mail lists and web forums for the majority of end user support questions. The vast number of these people come ask a question or two, they desire a timely reply and if the are helped they may not come to ask another question in a long time, if ever again. The number of new joins and the number of new topics being in synch is a result of this. Here is the en only forums status as of a few minutes ago: http://oucv.org/images/usooo-frm-daily.png If you analyze the mailing list archives at OO.o for number of posts to email addresses this is a huge distribution difference. If you do the same analyses on the 10 years of OooForum posts and the last 5 years of the fr forum at u.s.oo.o and the 3 years for the remaining user.services forums the numbers break down quite nearly identical to the mailing lists in distribution. In the last 3 years the user.services forum has had 35,000 plus people that signed up, asked their 2.x questions and most I think got a reasonable answer in a reasonable amount of time. http://oucv.org/images/usooo-frm-totals.png You mentioned two top level forums, actually that is two English top level. So for overall activity you need to, almost, double those figures - there is a percentage of people that cross post questions, but it is not particularly high, or at least was not last time I took the time to try an count it (about 2 years ago..and it was minimal 15% of topics as best I could gather) So take that number, 35,000 and make it ~60,000 people that would of subscribed / and want to very quickly un-subscribe / from the ML, 20,000 more a year. I do, myself, which may be why I see the balance between the two mechanisms differently than you. In that regard, the modification of the Reply-To is, Yes I agree the current footer on the ML should be changed IMO But the key is, even if people have to subscribe, don't make it so they are required to un-subscribe, necessarily. I think, more likely to give a false sense of security than to fix the problem of people not getting responses they would benefit from. However, there's an approach I hope we can agree on, which is having the moderator send an unsubscribed OP a message that, among other things, tells them how to use a page like the one Drew has developed (http://oucv.org/tdf.html) to follow their threads on nabble without having to subscribe. NOTE to self: need wiki page for how to work with Nabble ;-/ or anyone wanting to help.. If we had a similar page for OOo, it would make an enormous difference there, as well. Why not - http://oucv.org/oooext.html I did not setup that nabble archive, and can't change settings - if you back up there to the openoffice level you are actually looking at a flat view of the users ML at oo.o - the others are available also, but I did not find a decent forum/sub-forum view. I also think there are possibilities in creating sublists in parallel with the subforums; the main thing I'm concerned about here is getting into lots of redirection from the beginning list/forum to the subs, unless it's really necessary because the question drives too deep for appropriate handling at a generalist's level. (Sort of like the Level 1/ Level 2/ Level 3 support structure used by most help desks I've known about.) Ok - I agree that there is need for both aggregate and segregated views to topics - I'd say the segregated produces more results for support situations - look back at the numbers for daily activity. 60 topic posts a day - simple indicator to me anyway, number per day of those for Math, Draw and Base - in the aggregated ML Math and Draw specific questions are reasonably infrequent, Base perhaps more so, but Base is really the only one with a functioning segregated ML for user support - in the forums there would be avg 1 for Math, 4 for Draw and 10 for Base. (good estimate I think but didn't run actual numbers lately) That said, I'm good with the idea of an aggregate user (All modules and extensions in one place) and segregated web forums - which I think is what you are suggesting, yes? Developing
Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters
If we had a similar page for OOo, it would make an enormous difference there, as well. Why not - http://oucv.org/oooext.html I did not setup that nabble archive, and can't change settings - if you back up there to the openoffice level you are actually looking at a flat view of the users ML at oo.o - the others are available also, but I did not find a decent forum/sub-forum view. actually - with the sub-forum view... http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/OpenOffice-f2721033.subapps.html //drew -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 18:25 +0900, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: On 19 oct. 10, at 18:15, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote on 2010-10-19 02.22: the global discussion list should not be a mere discussion list but a policy list where only items of global interest regarding TDF or LO are discussed. Not sure I totally agree that it should be the discuss list - but I do agree that it is a problem - even now with only two language discuss lists one needs to go between both to understand what is actually being discussed and worked on. I would not even insist this list of record if you will has to be in English - although it probably would be. The CMS discussion is an example - that should be happening in one place so people have a chance to keep up. Actually this may not be a language issue at all, and for this narrow subject - a list of record - it may simply be that after settling on what a voting membership looks like, then this is simply a list with moderated functions - the world may see what goes on, but only voting members discuss and it is the only place to discuss issues that span all the different groups in the foundation, linguistic or geographic or special interest based. In fact it is most likely to determine who will be in the voting membership from the current active people and use a list now, without the background noise to make the decisions we need to address now. Drew -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 17:53 +0200, Christoph Noack wrote: Hi all! Am Dienstag, den 19.10.2010, 11:29 +0200 schrieb Stefan Weigel: Very little response so far. My personal reason why I didn´t respond: 100% accordance. +1 (but I will continue to think about that...) ;-) +1 ;-) Cheers, Christoph Hello, Not fully up to date with reading all the emails but I think this is a good to jump in on. I've reviewed the wiki page for membership. At first blush I'm close to agreement with it - but I have concerns on one or two points. I will not be sending in more email on this point till later tonight after I have tried to expand my concerns and offer suggestions to address them. and after I have read ALL the emails.. -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.
On Mon, 2010-10-18 at 21:15 +0200, Sebastian Spaeth wrote: On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 09:25:52 -0400, Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com wrote: Best would be to find some way to integrate a decent forum platform with a decent mail list manager... The nabble forums are rather easy to integrate in a website and provide seamless integration with a mailinglist. TDF mail archives are for example here: http://unofficial-document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/ I have a bit of a mashup page started with the nabbel archives embedded and google custom search box for the main site, the wiki and the mails - just putting in a final search feature for the extended oo.o forums The work in progress is found at http://oucv.org/tdf.html Sebastian -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 00:41 -0400, Drew Jensen wrote: hi Jean, Just being redundant here (multiple posts) - people can use the nabble web interface to the mailing lists if they prefer. sorry - missed an 'l' http://oucv.org/tdf.htm but I'll keep it there and make it nicer over time - so feel free to refer people there when it seems appropriate. Drew -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave
... and above all their general opinion about what Ramon said and on how to handle the OOo/Oracle - LibO/TDF relation in the future. Hello Mr. Fioretti, It is my firm and deep belief that, given my experiences and interactions, as limited as they may be in some cases, with all of those _actively_ involved in the development, promotion and support of these software packages having so much more in common with regards to vision of purpose, as opposed to, the differences in vision of implementation process, that it is and will be, only a small matter of time before the groups are pursuing mutually beneficial activities once again. Sincerely, Drew Jensen -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Donations ?
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 22:31 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 23:27 +0200, elcico2001 wrote: Maybe it's a little early but... I would suggest, as I already said to Italo Vignoli, a page on the website to show a TDF annual financial report, like, for example, wikimedia: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Finance_report I think transparency is a good way to show TDF is working well... and, in my opinion, it also invites people to donate more money. Namaste :) +1 I have been asking for this from the OpenOffice.org community council for many years, with no results. I don't like to give money if I don't know where it's going. I hope The Document Foundation will do better. I don't expect auditing, but I do expect some basic accounting. Here is an example, from the group that handles the money raised for OOoAuthors from sales of printed copies of the OOo user guides: http://www.friendsofopendocument.com/newsite/?page_id=181 HI, Well I a bit lost here, doesn't http://www.ooodev.org/ have to do this, as a matter of law? Drew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Problem with wiki
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 11:31 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, Drew Jensen wrote on 2010-10-11 11.27: Ran into the same problem also - both pages I've added required more then one try to get started - meaning that it tossed my first edit both times- after getting past the initial edit problem seems to go away for future editing sessions. (one more) adding a graphic using the WYISYG editor throws away edits to size and caption when the page is next edited, but not every time it seems...arrgh. [ I just love growing pains ] can anyone else confirm that? Never heard about these problems up to now... Florian Should add - Ubuntu 10.04 (amd64) Firefox 3.6.10 from distro repository. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Problem with wiki
I just tried again and the main page let me edit it. Typical! Ask a question and find the answer; report a bug and it starts working. LOL. I'll see what happens tomorrow. I edited those pages right after the site went live yesterday also - did not want to make a page, just to make a page, this morning - later this afternoon I will be upgrading to Ubuntu 10.10 and have at least one more page planned for afterwards. I'll only post back here again if there is a continuing problem. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
[tdf-discuss] Principles trumps ownership
Governance principles are more important than ownership In working through situations of disagreement, it is better to focus on applying governance principles rather than determining who has ultimate authority, as over-reliance on the latter can short-circuit opportunities to rely on and expand the use of healthy, open processes. Just some thoughts, Drew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Website suggestion...
On Sat, 2010-10-09 at 14:49 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Charles, Charles Marcus wrote on 2010-10-09 14.30: Thanks, but... I meant that everything on the Contact page for the Lists section should be there - List descriptions, subscribe/unsub instructions/links, links to archives, etc... So, basically just a copy/paste from the Contact page of all of the List info stuff... When you have time of course... this is indeed on my todo list :-) Florian Howdy, Just tossing this out as an idea.. Put together a 2 minute mock-up http://educoo.us/index-nabble.html Drew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Automatic Updates
On Fri, 2010-10-08 at 09:23 +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote: Per Eriksson wrote: Do we have skilled people here who are interested in beginning with this effort, and maybe start planning for this feature? I've always been interested in pushing things like this forward ;-) Hi Per, let me Cc two MSI packaging experts to comment on patchability experiences. Hello Thorston, I wonder if you could ask them if they any opinion on the CoApp project as a possible solution - perhaps. It's not even close to ready, but just curious what would think about that for the future. http://coapp.org/ Thanks Drew Cheers, -- Thorsten -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: US Group Status ( was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Media contact for the USA )
On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 08:57 -0600, Guy Lunardi wrote: I don't know that we any locale group should diverge from the core Document Foundation infrastructure. As much as possible we should keep the information concentrated and easy to get to. Especially for English speaking countries for which most if not all the material will be readily available anyway. I suppose for the few specific things we can maintain pages in the MediaWiki instance (including collateral and other materials). Hello Guy, et al Just a quick thought or two. For the marketing conversations, please do move that over to the marketing list. Although I think that the US is different enough from the EU with regards to marketing needs, that does not mean that I would be in favor of working it separately. Note for instance the name of the ML that will open US-Events, because when we get to talking about things that will happen in physical locations, then yes those locations are in the US and it is IMO good to have this, targeted, communication channel. Guess that's it for the moment. Thanks Drew -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [MAILING LIST] Language specific list for non-English communication
On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 15:48 -0400, Kohei Yoshida wrote: On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 15:32 -0400, Kohei Yoshida wrote: That *may* work between Latin-based languages, but those on-line translation services are pretty horrible at translating between CJK and Latin, especially when going from CJK to Latin. Hmm... Actually the Google one does a better job than Yahoo Babel Fish as it turns out (just tested it now). Still, I think we are 10 years too early to expect solid machine translation that we can rely on to have a single-language communication medium. Perhaps in 10 years... ;-) Hello Kohei Piping in here - I've tried the computer translation route and for many languages it is pretty good. Japanese like you say, a bit of a problem still. Just my .02 worth Drew -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: US Group Status ( was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Media contact for the USA )
On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 19:20 +0200, Christoph Noack wrote: first, I'm really looking forward to see some more activity for LibreOffice in the US :-) Hello Chris, So am I. Drew -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOfficeForum.org is now functioning
On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 14:33 +0200, Ercole Carpanetto wrote: On 6 October 2010 12:32, Valter Mura valterm...@gmail.com wrote: In data giovedì 30 settembre 2010 13:34:39, Joaquín Bruno Huete ha sc ri tto: Hi, I agree that it is better to have 1 big forum in English with sub-forums in other languages when required. +1 +1 Hi Sidestepping the question of one grand forum with NL sub-forums for a moment. I just want to remind folks that the community already has a number of web forums at it's disposable. These are all independent volunteer, community, owned and run. http://Oooforum.org - English only http://user.services.openoffice.org - Chinese, Dutch, English, French, Hungarian, Italian, Japanese, Nerthlands, Polish, Spanish, and Vietnamese http://de.openoffice.info/ - German http://ooo-portal.de/ - German http://www.openofficeorg.no/Forumsider/ - Norwegien brOffice.org runs it's own forum also. (probably forgot someone) I want stress again - none of those belong to Oracle - none are staffed by Oracle employees - they are all run by community members. One more point - the forums serve the end users - the end users did not have a say in what is going on here - they will need to have support for OO.o and LibreOffice for a while In two cases oooForum.org and user.servics.oo.o I can tell you that I have personally exchanged messages with the administrators and many (most) of the moderators at those forums. Every person I spoke with already downloaded and installed LibreOffice. They are already offering support to those users that come asking questions. These boards have been updated with links to the mailing lists here, via the nabble pages - I know I did it. The moderators have been supplied the URLs for the LibreOffice issue tracking system, and know of course to also look at the other issue tracking systems for a whole. As for branding at the forums - no site has fully changed yet - and if you listen to what the steering committee here is saying then they probably shouldn't for the moment. Remember these aren't from scratch they have existing infrastructure, there are literally tens of thousands of links that exist to these sites all over the Internet. I am totally in support of people wanting to help and there is plenty of room for the owner of LibreOfficeForum.org to start another forum, but there is no reason to act as if the community is starved for user support sites. The best thing, IMO, for the moment is to have the site here start pointing to these different sites. Just my thoughts. Hopefully someone else can update us on the other language forums, but I would very surprised if it isn't the same situation at those sites. Thanks Drew -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
US Group Status ( was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Media contact for the USA )
On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 11:40 -0400, Benjamin Horst wrote: Hello Guy, I've long felt that a PR and media push in the USA could produce very strong results for OOo and now for LibO. I'd suggest we (I'm in NYC) model such a campaign after the work Italo Vignoli does in Italy, which has been so successful there. Are you a PR professional yourself? Such experience would be a boon! On Oct 6, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Guy Lunardi gluna...@novell.com wrote: Bonjour! I just noticed (should have much earlier) that there is no media contact based in the USA. I already know and have worked with most of the journalists that are likely to cover LibreOffice and the Document Foundation. Having participated in at least one interview that Florian and Michael gave, I feel I can handle most if not all questions that would come our way. Howdy Guy, Ben I won't go into great detail but let me bring you both up to speed as to some actions already started. A couple of days back I posted a message on the list for anyone interested in starting a US document foundation group to contact me direct. Ben was one person, of a group to do so. There are active and interested community members in areas ranging from Seattle, to LA, with Guy from MA to GA and points in between. I have contacts for 2 state LUGs that would be interested in someone coming to talk about the document foundation and LibreOffice. There was also a phone call between myself and R. Singer, a marketing consultant in Redwood City CA, formally and soon to be again (they I go speaking for others..) active member of the community. He had some good initial thoughts that I figured could be used as a kick off discussion for the group. Yesterday I asked the steering committee if it would be possible to setup a dedicated mailing list for our use, to get everyone involved and brainstorming. I came up with the creative name of US-Events. Haven't heard back yet but they are rather busy. If the mailing list needs to wait a bit I will setup a forum for us to use later tonight or the morning as an interim. I'd say it's just a matter of how quickly this gets launched and not if. Thanks, Drew Jensen -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: US Group Status ( was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Media contact for the USA )
There I go again... (they I go speaking for others..) active member of the community. Might as well just tell you now, you will know soon enough anyway - I really don't proof read emails that much... -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOfficeForum.org is now functioning
On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 20:03 +0200, Per Eriksson wrote: Hi Drew, When we have our forum set up, i think it would be a very good idea to contact these site owners and asking them to contribute to this foundation. Maybe this is a task when we have got our forum up and running? Once again, i think this is a very good idea Best Per Hello Per, Have no idea what you are talking about - they already are. Drew Drew Jensen skrev 2010-10-06 15:08: On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 14:33 +0200, Ercole Carpanetto wrote: On 6 October 2010 12:32, Valter Muravalterm...@gmail.com wrote: In data giovedì 30 settembre 2010 13:34:39, Joaquín Bruno Huete ha sc ri tto: Hi, I agree that it is better to have 1 big forum in English with sub-forums in other languages when required. +1 +1 Hi Sidestepping the question of one grand forum with NL sub-forums for a moment. I just want to remind folks that the community already has a number of web forums at it's disposable. These are all independent volunteer, community, owned and run. http://Oooforum.org - English only http://user.services.openoffice.org - Chinese, Dutch, English, French, Hungarian, Italian, Japanese, Nerthlands, Polish, Spanish, and Vietnamese http://de.openoffice.info/ - German http://ooo-portal.de/ - German http://www.openofficeorg.no/Forumsider/ - Norwegien brOffice.org runs it's own forum also. (probably forgot someone) I want stress again - none of those belong to Oracle - none are staffed by Oracle employees - they are all run by community members. One more point - the forums serve the end users - the end users did not have a say in what is going on here - they will need to have support for OO.o and LibreOffice for a while In two cases oooForum.org and user.servics.oo.o I can tell you that I have personally exchanged messages with the administrators and many (most) of the moderators at those forums. Every person I spoke with already downloaded and installed LibreOffice. They are already offering support to those users that come asking questions. These boards have been updated with links to the mailing lists here, via the nabble pages - I know I did it. The moderators have been supplied the URLs for the LibreOffice issue tracking system, and know of course to also look at the other issue tracking systems for a whole. As for branding at the forums - no site has fully changed yet - and if you listen to what the steering committee here is saying then they probably shouldn't for the moment. Remember these aren't from scratch they have existing infrastructure, there are literally tens of thousands of links that exist to these sites all over the Internet. I am totally in support of people wanting to help and there is plenty of room for the owner of LibreOfficeForum.org to start another forum, but there is no reason to act as if the community is starved for user support sites. The best thing, IMO, for the moment is to have the site here start pointing to these different sites. Just my thoughts. Hopefully someone else can update us on the other language forums, but I would very surprised if it isn't the same situation at those sites. Thanks Drew -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: US Group Status ( was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Media contact for the USA )
On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 15:22 -0400, Drew Jensen wrote: On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 15:12 -0400, Benjamin Horst wrote: Drew, Thanks for the update--I am looking forward to seeing this group come together! Hi Ben So am I. Also, I don't much, in detail, of what Italo is doing. I have a very loose understanding, if you be willing to take on the task of covering that I think, it would be very beneficial for everyone, I know, it would for me. DAMN - those Americans can't speak well posts have me shaken apparently... 'know' and 'would' are missing from above lines - I'll let you guess where they go...*chuckling* (yeah that's my excuse and I'm sticking with it) I'm gonna take a break for a while now. -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious was(Re: [tdf-discuss] [GENERAL] New name)
On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 16:15 -0400, Steven Shelton wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/5/2010 10:16 AM, Drew Jensen wrote: Oh Dude - you so funny... I don't understand what that means. *ducks* Yo Steven, I believe that in this instance you are using the word ducks not as reference to a group of water fowl, rather to a quick, often reflexive and autonomic in nature, movement of your head in an attempt to protect said noggen from impending harm. Of course I would need video to be certain. (my apologies to the list - I tried to resist, really I did) Glad to see you here. Johnathon, good to see you here also, I hope you will be as active on the new users mailing list here as you have been at OpenOffice.org over the years. Drew ps - of course if you did mean water fowl, no ducks here that I know of, lots of penguins! -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
[tdf-discuss] Nabble once again
HI, I've gone ahead and updated the Nabble pages to, hopefully, better reflect the structure and to spiff them up a bit. The top level page at: http://documentfoundation.969070.n3.nabble.com/ Updated the description with text from the main web site. Added a SUB-Forum page for LibreOffice The Announce page: http://documentfoundation.969070.n3.nabble.com/Announce-f1621702.html Changed the appearance so that this looks like an News feed display. The LibreOffice SUB-Forum: http://documentfoundation.969070.n3.nabble.com/LibreOffice-f1639495.html Added sub page for the Users list. Moved the L10n page from the top level (DocumentFoundation) to here. Thanks Drew -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Nabble once again
sorry missed the direct URL Added sub page for the Users list. http://documentfoundation.969070.n3.nabble.com/Users-f1639498.html -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Nabble once again
Last update for tonight I think. At the LibreOffice page: http://documentfoundation.969070.n3.nabble.com/LibreOffice-f1639495.html added the Dev ML http://documentfoundation.969070.n3.nabble.com/Dev-f1639786.html -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Libreoffice national domain name registrations
On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 11:25 +0530, Danishka Navin wrote: Hi Drew, Also sent an email to the LibreOffice.us registered owner inviting them to join our merry band here. Andy is the owner of LibreOffice.us and he already informed to the same list :) Thanks - So who did I just email. :-/ Really need to stop doing this type of thing at 2 AM -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: This list and NoMail option ( Re: Nabble is archving the list now )
Hi Folks, Realized I had started down the wrong path with Nabble and figured I'd fix it now. The new web address is http://documentfoundation.969070.n3.nabble.com/ Announce and Discuss as sub-forums Besides Mirrors are there others I'm not finding? Do you want Mirrors list there? Finally I'll kill the original list archive at http://documentfoundation-discuss.968965.n3.nabble.com/Nabble-is-archving-the-list-now-tp1618573p1621835.html if no one objects. Thanks Drew On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 14:24 -0700, Manfred J. Krause wrote: LibreOffice wrote: [...] Looks like that is working then. [...] Now--to be certain--I've unsubscribed from all other possibilities apart from discuss+subscribe-nomailatdocumentfoundation.org [To subscribe to the nomail version of this list send a message to: discuss+subscribe-nomailatdocumentfoundation.org The nomail version of a list means that you are recognized as a subscriber, but will not get any messages to the list. This is useful when it's necessary to post from several emailaddresses to a subscribers only list.] -- View this message in context: http://documentfoundation-discuss.968965.n3.nabble.com/Nabble-is-archving-the-list-now-tp1618573p1621835.html Sent from the DocumentFoundation Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
[tdf-discuss] Nabble is archving the list now
http://documentfoundation-discuss.968965.n3.nabble.com/ ps - I've setup the admin account at nabble with the user name LibreOffice, linked to one of my emails, but I can just change the email address to someone else and send you the correct password, which you can change of course. The archive started catching emails, with the one just before this one... Drew -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Legalese] Foundation or Group?
On Fri, 2010-10-01 at 21:26 -0700, Doug Bash wrote: --- On Fri, 10/1/10, Andre Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net wrote: From: Andre Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] [Legalese] Foundation or Group? To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 6:25 AM Hi, Original-Nachricht Von: Gianluca Turconi gianl...@letturefantastiche.com Should Germany be the chosen country in order to register the foundation or is that point a work in progress too? It's in progress. We (speaking of OpenOffice.org Deutschland e.V. in this case) are happy to be the interim backing for the Foundation activities - but it is not our intention to become the Foundation. Regarding the country - there are several things to be considered, like strength of community (which is very good in France, Italy, Germany), local law (esp. regarding taxes) ... We are currently working on more detailed plans - but we thougt, it was quite unfair to set up a Foundation and tell everyone that's it. André -- Hi all; Thanks for beginning this undertaking. The user community is undoubtedly st rongest in Europe, as Andre notes, but if this can be structured so that in tegration with an American non-profit is somehow possible it will certainly help overall growth. Open software adoption by library systems and other g overnmental entities here, especially at a time of severe budgetary pres sures, is being discussed in many venues and it is much easier to propose o pen alternatives if representing some actual Entity rather than merely a Go od Idea. Doug Bash Hi Doug, Agreed - and to put it simply, then let's start the process of starting such an organization. Isn't really, in the end, just that simple. *smile* Doesn't need to be the organization, just the US organization. Sincerely, Drew Drew -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Libreoffice national domain name registrations
On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 10:18 +0530, Danishka Navin wrote: got the libreoffice.lk and documentfoundation.lk domain registered for Sri Lanka. both domains are redirecting to libreoffice.org and documentfoundation.org respectively. -- LibreOffice.us - taken documentfoundation.us is now registered by myself, will redirect to d16f.org in just a bit. Also sent an email to the LibreOffice.us registered owner inviting them to join our merry band here. Drew -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOfficeForum.org is now functioning
On Thu, 2010-09-30 at 13:38 +0200, Karl-Heinz Gödderz wrote: Mike Houben schrieb: Why making several forums? Make 1 Forum, 1 Maincategorie for language. So people like me, who speaks french, german, english, nederlands, can use the same forum and don't have to register 4 different accounts! Thank you Mike. This is the point. I wanted to ask, if this is possible. Hello Folks, First time here, so let me introduce myself. My name is Drew, and I have been hanging out with the OO.o community for a little while. If I may wanted to jump in here with. One quick point - web forums with multiple languages requiring multiple user accounts. Currently on the OpenOffice.org web forums that is a problem, but not one that is a technical problem as much as historic. Many of the forums run on different hosts, managed by different teams, launched from within different NLC groups. In the case of the 10 forums found at user.services.oo.o they should of had a common user database and shared user accounts - and would of if the original site admin had not decided to put that off till needed - he was a fool. Anyway - to make a long story short - in the end it was decided not to put in the work to 'clean up' the user accounts into a common database mostly because there was always talk of having a consolidated login for all systems within OO.o, not just the forums - that just never quite seemed to materialize. *Another subject for discussion here perhaps, cause it is a lot easier IMO to do this if it starts now, rather then try to bolt it on later - personally I was, and am, in favor of using OpenID as the mechanism for this..but there are other solutions for sure. OK - so about forums in general. Load - currently the user.services forum on a busy day handles about 80,000 unique visitors. oooForum.org, an English only forum, has about 75,000 unique visitors on a busy day. The busiest days are always just after a new release, major releases see the largest spikes in traffic, minor releases much smaller spikes, but they do spike. I have no, reliable, data on the other forums, German, Norsk, etc. alright - well this is getting rather long. Just wanted to pass this along - The user.services forum, and oooFourm.org are 100% volunteer run - the user.services site is hosted on a server in the machine room in Hamburg DE, at the OpenOffice.org facility, under an agreement between the forum volunteers group (this is our governing body) and Sun Microsystems - Under that agreement it was understood that the forum is owned by the Volunteers with Sun providing only hosting services. The oooFourm.org is owned by an OO.o community member with hosting provided, pro bono and has been such for nearly 10 years now. The day the new foundation was announced I opened discussions within the volunteer group about exercising the part of the agreement that would allow us to move the forum, or a copy of it, to a different host. This would include not just the phpBB code but the full database behind it. That discussion is actively under way. Thanks, Drew -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOfficeForum.org is now functioning
On Thu, 2010-09-30 at 09:53 -0700, Andy Brown wrote: On Thu Sep 30 2010 08:41:17 GMT-0700 (PDT) Nancy Ward wrote: From: Mike Houben Why making several forums? Make 1 Forum, 1 Maincategorie for language. So people like me, who speaks french, german, english, nederlands, can use the same forum and don't have to register 4 different accounts! And then there's me, who can speak only US English. Can't even master British English or Australian English. Then you have us that only speak American, an not very well. ;) Andy Right - does anyone know the ISO code for Spanglish? -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
