Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] Steering Committee Info at the wiki
Hi Friedrich, On Oct 13, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: Hi Benjamin, *, Benjamin Horst schrieb: This is exactly why I suggested we look at multiple wiki engines before installing one and proceeding. ACL features of Foswiki make it easy to specify a separate set of pages or an individual page, and control who has edit access, view access, or no visibility of the page at all. Details: http://foswiki.org/System/AccessControl As far as I know there is some mechanism wikis can talk and exchange content. Do You know of that feature? They can generally import pages from other wiki engines, and convert to their own syntax. I think that's what you are referring to? If so, here is one example tool: http://foswiki.org/Extensions/MediaWikiToFoswikiContrib I think changing the wiki machine later on if this comes up to be useful will not be that big deal. For the moment I think mediawiki is a good joice because - people are used to work with - its already set up and in use - there already technical knowledge is present to drive it waiting a long time with hands prepared to work also can be frustrating. All of these are good points. The case for MediaWiki is solid--I just feel that we might be able to do even better. :) In fact, based on a comment by Bernhard in another thread, I'm now thinking about the merits of combining the main website with the wiki into one system managed by a CMS. This would be more friendly to end users--and could be managed by a sophisticated system like Drupal. I'm imagining the potential of its ad hoc group creation tools for managing regional LibreOffice projects, marketing, events, etc, along the lines of this site: http://groups.drupal.org/ (I'm sorry to have hijacked this thread--will continue on the website mailing list for those who'd like to follow along.) -Ben Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com 646-464-2314 (Eastern) www.solidoffice.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] Steering Committee Info at the wiki
Hi Benjamin, This is exactly why I suggested we look at multiple wiki engines before installing one and proceeding. ACL features of Foswiki make it easy to specify a separate set of pages or an individual page, and control who has edit access, view access, or no visibility of the page at all. Well, my experience is that you can use whatever tools you want - If the community is willing to accept some basic rules, it is better to have an open system instead of putting restrictions at any other place. regards, André -- Neu: GMX De-Mail - Einfach wie E-Mail, sicher wie ein Brief! Jetzt De-Mail-Adresse reservieren: http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/demail -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] Steering Committee Info at the wiki
This is exactly why I suggested we look at multiple wiki engines before installing one and proceeding. ACL features of Foswiki make it easy to specify a separate set of pages or an individual page, and control who has edit access, view access, or no visibility of the page at all. Well, my experience is that you can use whatever tools you want - If the community is willing to accept some basic rules, it is better to have an open system instead of putting restrictions at any other place. I have found that you can hack most any tool to work, more or less, but you'll be more efficient and effective if you plan it out better first! :) When trying to attract new community members, any little impediment can affect their willingness to join and participate. And regular, tiny frustrations can sometimes tire out even the most stalwart contributors. -Ben Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com 646-464-2314 (Eastern) www.solidoffice.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] Steering Committee Info at the wiki
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 16:11:06 +0300, Andre Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net wrote Those pages have a notice that the content should not be changed without approval of the SC. I'd ask all of you to respect this, so that the SC can work in wiki without the need. Hi Andre, First of all: I am full of respect for this great and exciting initiative. Congratulations to all of you, Steering Committe and wider community members! As I'm brand new here (merit-score = zero :), I apologize if the following is either misunderstood or not relevant: The way I see it, formally approved documents are static, and once approved should not be edited by anybody - Steering Committee members or not. Therefore I do not think it is appropriate from a governance perspective to have direct and potentially ambiguous 'copies' of formal documents as wiki pages. Could it be worth considering that significant formal documents like the manifesto would have their own wiki pages with a backround/brief description, maybe even extracts, and then a link to the 'real' document in a non-editable format (pdf or whatever will make it most easily accessible)? Another wiki page could then be a Steering Committee 'log' page, which gives a quick overview of the continuous work of the committee with links to more in-depth wiki pages as well as formal documents... Warm regards Peter Tholstrup Yei, Southern Sudan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] Steering Committee Info at the wiki
Hi, Am 13.10.2010 17:31, schrieb Benjamin Horst: I have found that you can hack most any tool to work, more or less, but you'll be more efficient and effective if you plan it out better first! :) Oh - u fully agree on this, but .. When trying to attract new community members, any little impediment can affect their willingness to join and participate. And regular, tiny frustrations can sometimes tire out even the most stalwart contributors. Frustration often comes from being faced with to many restrictions. ;) So - we need somehow both. Regards, André -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] Steering Committee Info at the wiki
Hi, Am 13.10.2010 18:32, schrieb Peter Tholstrup: As I'm brand new here (merit-score = zero :), I apologize if the following is either misunderstood or not relevant: The way I see it, formally approved documents are static, and once approved should not be edited by anybody - Steering Committee members or not. Correct. Therefore I do not think it is appropriate from a governance perspective to have direct and potentially ambiguous 'copies' of formal documents as wiki pages. Could it be worth considering that significant formal documents like the manifesto would have their own wiki pages with a backround/brief description, maybe even extracts, and then a link to the 'real' document in a non-editable format (pdf or whatever will make it most easily accessible)? This is what actually happened - we have the manifesto as pdf at our website. In fact formal approved documents should go to the tdf website, not to the wiki. For today it was just easier for me to access the wiki. Another wiki page could then be a Steering Committee 'log' page, which gives a quick overview of the continuous work of the committee with links to more in-depth wiki pages as well as formal documents... Absolutely agree (but formal documents should not stay forever at the wiki and rather be moved to the website). This was just the first start. We need to have minutes, some backround info on SC ... at the wiki. regards, André -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] Steering Committee Info at the wiki
Hi, On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 19:57:55 +0300, André Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net wrote: This is what actually happened - we have the manifesto as pdf at our website. In fact formal approved documents should go to the tdf website, not to the wiki. For today it was just easier for me to access the wiki. Thanks a lot for your reply. I'm aware about the pdf - was just confused about the wiki page, but your reply clarifies that fully. I do appreciate that everything is still in the making and look forward to follow the development. Hopefully, I will find ways of contributing more substantially in the future. All the best, Peter -- Peter Tholstrup Yei, Southern Sudan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] Steering Committee Info at the wiki
Hi Benjamin, *, Benjamin Horst schrieb: This is exactly why I suggested we look at multiple wiki engines before installing one and proceeding. ACL features of Foswiki make it easy to specify a separate set of pages or an individual page, and control who has edit access, view access, or no visibility of the page at all. Details: http://foswiki.org/System/AccessControl As far as I know there is some mechanism wikis can talk and exchange content. Do You know of that feature? I think changing the wiki machine later on if this comes up to be useful will not be that big deal. For the moment I think mediawiki is a good joice because - people are used to work with - its already set up and in use - there already technical knowledge is present to drive it waiting a long time with hands prepared to work also can be frustrating. [.. recycled TOFU ..] Gruß/regards -- Friedrich Ansprechpartner / contact person for the PrOOo-Box german language best Office Suite ever and more on CD/DVD http://prooo-box.org -- footer updated on 2010-10-07 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
