Re: [jQuery] Please add a basic debug function to the jQuery core...
Here here, this is a great plugin for this purpose... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Benjamin Sterling Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:07 PM To: jQuery Discussion. Subject: Re: [jQuery] Please add a basic debug function to the jQuery core... Here is an awesome plug in that I use all the time: http://jquery.glyphix.com/ You can see it in action at: http://ov-oba.informationexperts.com/ -- Benjamin Sterling http://www.KenzoMedia.com http://www.KenzoHosting.com ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Please add a basic debug function to the jQuery core...
Given that you don't need (or want) debug functionality in a
production environment, I would argue that this is better suited to a
plugin and doesn't belong in the core.
--Erik
On 3/12/07, Daemach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would like to be able to dump the contents of the current selector to the
console using $#myselector).debug() without loading a plugin. Something
as simple as the following would work, though if you devs have some ideas on
how to make it more useful I'm sure it would be welcomed, especially by new
users:
jQuery.fn.debug = function() {
console.log(this);
return this;
}
Long chains that include callbacks with anonymous functions make it
difficult to use console.log($()). Can this be added to the jQ codebase so
it's always available?
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Re: [jQuery] Please add a basic debug function to the jQuery core...
Erik Beeson schrieb: Given that you don't need (or want) debug functionality in a production environment, I would argue that this is better suited to a plugin and doesn't belong in the core. I second that. You cannot rely on console anyway, so why not make it a plugin that facilitates all the different browser possibilities to possible extend... -- Klaus ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Please add a basic debug function to the jQuery core...
*sigh* Fine. I'll just add the function to my local jquery.js It's a pain in the neck to have to add and remove the plugin code for a 30 second test. Klaus Hartl wrote: Erik Beeson schrieb: Given that you don't need (or want) debug functionality in a production environment, I would argue that this is better suited to a plugin and doesn't belong in the core. I second that. You cannot rely on console anyway, so why not make it a plugin that facilitates all the different browser possibilities to possible extend... -- Klaus ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Please-add-a-basic-debug-function-to-the-jQuery-core...-tf3392275.html#a9444730 Sent from the JQuery mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Please add a basic debug function to the jQuery core...
Daemach, Why don't you just make a nice debug plug-in, that you can include at the top of your code to give you the functions you need, then when you're done you just remove the one script src=... line? That's not a half bad idea. Anyone up for doing something like that? Chris Daemach wrote: *sigh* Fine. I'll just add the function to my local jquery.js It's a pain in the neck to have to add and remove the plugin code for a 30 second test. Klaus Hartl wrote: Erik Beeson schrieb: Given that you don't need (or want) debug functionality in a production environment, I would argue that this is better suited to a plugin and doesn't belong in the core. I second that. You cannot rely on console anyway, so why not make it a plugin that facilitates all the different browser possibilities to possible extend... -- Klaus ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ -- http://www.cjordan.us ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Please add a basic debug function to the jQuery core...
I already have a plugin - it contains the code I put in my first email. I just don't want to have to add that line or remember to remove it. Adding the function directly to jquery will not affect the file size significantly and it will always be available. If I ever decide to switch to safari or opera (not bloody likely) I'll add a function that tests for the availability of a console. Until then this works for me. Christopher Jordan wrote: Daemach, Why don't you just make a nice debug plug-in, that you can include at the top of your code to give you the functions you need, then when you're done you just remove the one script src=... line? That's not a half bad idea. Anyone up for doing something like that? Chris Daemach wrote: *sigh* Fine. I'll just add the function to my local jquery.js It's a pain in the neck to have to add and remove the plugin code for a 30 second test. Klaus Hartl wrote: Erik Beeson schrieb: Given that you don't need (or want) debug functionality in a production environment, I would argue that this is better suited to a plugin and doesn't belong in the core. I second that. You cannot rely on console anyway, so why not make it a plugin that facilitates all the different browser possibilities to possible extend... -- Klaus ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ -- http://www.cjordan.us ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Please-add-a-basic-debug-function-to-the-jQuery-core...-tf3392275.html#a9444927 Sent from the JQuery mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Please add a basic debug function to the jQuery core...
Greasemonkey is also excelent for this. ---N Daemach, Why don't you just make a nice debug plug-in, that you can include at the top of your code to give you the functions you need, then when you're done you just remove the one script src=... line? That's not a half bad idea. Anyone up for doing something like that? Chris Daemach wrote: *sigh* Fine. I'll just add the function to my local jquery.js It's a pain in the neck to have to add and remove the plugin code for a 30 second test. Klaus Hartl wrote: Erik Beeson schrieb: Given that you don't need (or want) debug functionality in a production environment, I would argue that this is better suited to a plugin and doesn't belong in the core. I second that. You cannot rely on console anyway, so why not make it a plugin that facilitates all the different browser possibilities to possible extend... -- Klaus ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ -- http://www.cjordan.us ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Please add a basic debug function to the jQuery core...
Greasemonkey does exactly what you are asking for. You can use it to add the functions you want to your own browser. Nothing to remove when you publish your code, easy to enable/disable in your dev environment, and you personally get self sufficiency from asking for a code change to jQuery (a major library with a huge user base and a well established change prioritization/management routine). -Nathan .:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.: ||:. Nathan Young Cisco.com-Interface Development A: ncy1717 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daemach Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 3:41 PM To: discuss@jquery.com Subject: Re: [jQuery] Please add a basic debug function to the jQuery core... I already have a plugin - it contains the code I put in my first email. I just don't want to have to add that line or remember to remove it. Adding the function directly to jquery will not affect the file size significantly and it will always be available. If I ever decide to switch to safari or opera (not bloody likely) I'll add a function that tests for the availability of a console. Until then this works for me. Christopher Jordan wrote: Daemach, Why don't you just make a nice debug plug-in, that you can include at the top of your code to give you the functions you need, then when you're done you just remove the one script src=... line? That's not a half bad idea. Anyone up for doing something like that? Chris Daemach wrote: *sigh* Fine. I'll just add the function to my local jquery.js It's a pain in the neck to have to add and remove the plugin code for a 30 second test. Klaus Hartl wrote: Erik Beeson schrieb: Given that you don't need (or want) debug functionality in a production environment, I would argue that this is better suited to a plugin and doesn't belong in the core. I second that. You cannot rely on console anyway, so why not make it a plugin that facilitates all the different browser possibilities to possible extend... -- Klaus ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ -- http://www.cjordan.us ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Please-add-a-basic-debug-function-to-the -jQuery-core...-tf3392275.html#a9444927 Sent from the JQuery mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Please add a basic debug function to the jQuery core...
Daemach schrieb: I already have a plugin - it contains the code I put in my first email. I just don't want to have to add that line or remember to remove it. Adding the function directly to jquery will not affect the file size significantly and it will always be available. If I ever decide to switch to safari or opera (not bloody likely) I'll add a function that tests for the availability of a console. Until then this works for me. You could modify jQuery's ant build and add that plugin for development builds of jQuery. -- Jörn Zaefferer http://bassistance.de ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Please add a basic debug function to the jQuery core...
Is Greasemonkey a FF only deal? Chris Nathan Young -X (natyoung - Artizen at Cisco) wrote: Greasemonkey does exactly what you are asking for. You can use it to add the functions you want to your own browser. Nothing to remove when you publish your code, easy to enable/disable in your dev environment, and you personally get self sufficiency from asking for a code change to jQuery (a major library with a huge user base and a well established change prioritization/management routine). -Nathan .:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.: ||:. Nathan Young Cisco.com-Interface Development A: ncy1717 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daemach Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 3:41 PM To: discuss@jquery.com Subject: Re: [jQuery] Please add a basic debug function to the jQuery core... I already have a plugin - it contains the code I put in my first email. I just don't want to have to add that line or remember to remove it. Adding the function directly to jquery will not affect the file size significantly and it will always be available. If I ever decide to switch to safari or opera (not bloody likely) I'll add a function that tests for the availability of a console. Until then this works for me. Christopher Jordan wrote: Daemach, Why don't you just make a nice debug plug-in, that you can include at the top of your code to give you the functions you need, then when you're done you just remove the one script src=... line? That's not a half bad idea. Anyone up for doing something like that? Chris Daemach wrote: *sigh* Fine. I'll just add the function to my local jquery.js It's a pain in the neck to have to add and remove the plugin code for a 30 second test. Klaus Hartl wrote: Erik Beeson schrieb: Given that you don't need (or want) debug functionality in a production environment, I would argue that this is better suited to a plugin and doesn't belong in the core. I second that. You cannot rely on console anyway, so why not make it a plugin that facilitates all the different browser possibilities to possible extend... -- Klaus ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ -- http://www.cjordan.us ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Please-add-a-basic-debug-function-to-the -jQuery-core...-tf3392275.html#a9444927 Sent from the JQuery mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ -- http://www.cjordan.us ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Please add a basic debug function to the jQuery core...
I'm not sure what an ant build is, but adding this to the bottom of jquery.js
on my dev box works.
jQuery.fn.debug = function() {console.log(this); return this;}
Jörn Zaefferer wrote:
Daemach schrieb:
I already have a plugin - it contains the code I put in my first email.
I
just don't want to have to add that line or remember to remove it.
Adding
the function directly to jquery will not affect the file size
significantly
and it will always be available.
If I ever decide to switch to safari or opera (not bloody likely) I'll
add a
function that tests for the availability of a console. Until then this
works for me.
You could modify jQuery's ant build and add that plugin for development
builds of jQuery.
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I thought I would give it a quick shot, but it's not working. I assume it's
because GM is trying to add the function after it's being called.
// ==UserScript==
// @name jQueryDebug
// @namespace http://www.missionincrease.org
// @descriptionAdds a debug function to jQuery
// @include*
// ==/UserScript==
if (typeof window.jQuery != undefined) {
if (typeof window.jQuery.debug == undefined) {
window.jQuery.fn.debug = function() {console.log(this); return
this;}
}
}
Nathan Young -X (natyoung - Artizen at Cisco) wrote:
Greasemonkey does exactly what you are asking for. You can use it to
add the functions you want to your own browser. Nothing to remove when
you publish your code, easy to enable/disable in your dev environment,
and you personally get self sufficiency from asking for a code change to
jQuery (a major library with a huge user base and a well established
change prioritization/management routine).
-Nathan
.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:
||:.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daemach
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 3:41 PM
To: discuss@jquery.com
Subject: Re: [jQuery] Please add a basic debug function to
the jQuery core...
I already have a plugin - it contains the code I put in my
first email. I
just don't want to have to add that line or remember to
remove it. Adding
the function directly to jquery will not affect the file size
significantly
and it will always be available.
If I ever decide to switch to safari or opera (not bloody
likely) I'll add a
function that tests for the availability of a console. Until
then this
works for me.
Christopher Jordan wrote:
Daemach,
Why don't you just make a nice debug plug-in, that you can
include at
the top of your code to give you the functions you need, then when
you're done you just remove the one script src=... line?
That's not a half bad idea. Anyone up for doing something like that?
Chris
Daemach wrote:
*sigh*
Fine. I'll just add the function to my local jquery.js
It's a pain in
the
neck to have to add and remove the plugin code for a 30
second test.
Klaus Hartl wrote:
Erik Beeson schrieb:
Given that you don't need (or want) debug functionality in a
production environment, I would argue that this is
better suited to a
plugin and doesn't belong in the core.
I second that. You cannot rely on console anyway, so why
not make it a
plugin that facilitates all the different browser
possibilities to
possible extend...
-- Klaus
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Re: [jQuery] Please add a basic debug function to the jQuery core...
On 12/03/07, Jörn Zaefferer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daemach schrieb: I already have a plugin - it contains the code I put in my first email. I just don't want to have to add that line or remember to remove it. Adding the function directly to jquery will not affect the file size significantly and it will always be available. If I ever decide to switch to safari or opera (not bloody likely) I'll add a function that tests for the availability of a console. Until then this works for me. You could modify jQuery's ant build and add that plugin for development builds of jQuery. -- Jörn Zaefferer http://bassistance.de Maybe there could be an additional download in the future? i.e. jQuery Compressed, Uncompressed and Debug. The Debug version would have code that would help with debugging (and perhaps log to the console whenever events are fired, without the developer needing to add more code) and also work cross-browser? ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Please add a basic debug function to the jQuery core...
Minor detail. Yes greasemonkey adds any scripts to the page last, even
after the onLoad event. Ignoring that, greasemonkey would work great.
Unfortunately it's not practicaly to ignore that, my apologies.
N
I thought I would give it a quick shot, but it's not working.
I assume it's
because GM is trying to add the function after it's being called.
// ==UserScript==
// @name jQueryDebug
// @namespace http://www.missionincrease.org
// @descriptionAdds a debug function to jQuery
// @include*
// ==/UserScript==
if (typeof window.jQuery != undefined) {
if (typeof window.jQuery.debug == undefined) {
window.jQuery.fn.debug = function()
{console.log(this); return this;}
}
}
Nathan Young -X (natyoung - Artizen at Cisco) wrote:
Greasemonkey does exactly what you are asking for. You can
use it to
add the functions you want to your own browser. Nothing to
remove when
you publish your code, easy to enable/disable in your dev
environment,
and you personally get self sufficiency from asking for a
code change to
jQuery (a major library with a huge user base and a well established
change prioritization/management routine).
-Nathan
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_.:||:._.:
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daemach
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 3:41 PM
To: discuss@jquery.com
Subject: Re: [jQuery] Please add a basic debug function to
the jQuery core...
I already have a plugin - it contains the code I put in my
first email. I
just don't want to have to add that line or remember to
remove it. Adding
the function directly to jquery will not affect the file size
significantly
and it will always be available.
If I ever decide to switch to safari or opera (not bloody
likely) I'll add a
function that tests for the availability of a console. Until
then this
works for me.
Christopher Jordan wrote:
Daemach,
Why don't you just make a nice debug plug-in, that you can
include at
the top of your code to give you the functions you need,
then when
you're done you just remove the one script src=... line?
That's not a half bad idea. Anyone up for doing
something like that?
Chris
Daemach wrote:
*sigh*
Fine. I'll just add the function to my local jquery.js
It's a pain in
the
neck to have to add and remove the plugin code for a 30
second test.
Klaus Hartl wrote:
Erik Beeson schrieb:
Given that you don't need (or want) debug functionality in a
production environment, I would argue that this is
better suited to a
plugin and doesn't belong in the core.
I second that. You cannot rely on console anyway, so why
not make it a
plugin that facilitates all the different browser
possibilities to
possible extend...
-- Klaus
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Re: [jQuery] Please add a basic debug function to the jQuery core...
Daemach wrote:
I would like to be able to dump the contents of the current selector to the
console using $#myselector).debug() without loading a plugin. Something
as simple as the following would work, though if you devs have some ideas on
how to make it more useful I'm sure it would be welcomed, especially by new
users:
jQuery.fn.debug = function() {
console.log(this);
return this;
}
Long chains that include callbacks with anonymous functions make it
difficult to use console.log($()). Can this be added to the jQ codebase so
it's always available?
This is a ridiculous, not well thought out, and highly
individual/personalized request. Of course this should be a plugin! All
debuggers are plugins AFAIK -- or, at least compile time flags. Please
keep the core lean, mean, and clean, and think thrice before bloating.
~ Brice
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Re: [jQuery] Please add a basic debug function to the jQuery core...
I started to roll my own for this too, but I got caught up in featurizing it
and haven't manage to finish it up. Basically I was looking for something
similar, but would do a check for $.browser.msie so that you wouldn't get an
error in IE (while adding alternative output forms, like an alert or
creating an output div). I also made primitive wrappers for timer() and
profile() so that you could simply call either function twice and not have
to worry about timer('name') + timerEnd('name'). I had planned on added a
straight pass-through method to allow one to access the Firebug native
methods unhindered, so you could do .log(%s is %d years old., Bob, 42)
but I haven't started on that aspect yet.
If there's much interest I could try to clean up the code and release it for
you guys.
By the way, you can check for Firebug using: typeof window['console'] !==
'undefined'
On 3/12/07, Daemach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would like to be able to dump the contents of the current selector to
the
console using $#myselector).debug() without loading a plugin. Something
as simple as the following would work, though if you devs have some ideas
on
how to make it more useful I'm sure it would be welcomed, especially by
new
users:
jQuery.fn.debug = function() {
console.log(this);
return this;
}
Long chains that include callbacks with anonymous functions make it
difficult to use console.log($()). Can this be added to the jQ codebase
so
it's always available?
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Re: [jQuery] Please add a basic debug function to the jQuery core...
Thanks for the beatdown Brice! I'm glad you're the only jerk I've seen on
this list!
And don't be an elitist prick - some people reviewing this framework are new
to jQuery and some even to javascript programming itself. If you can't say
something nice, go work at Microsoft.
Brice Burgess wrote:
Daemach wrote:
I would like to be able to dump the contents of the current selector to
the
console using $#myselector).debug() without loading a plugin.
Something
as simple as the following would work, though if you devs have some ideas
on
how to make it more useful I'm sure it would be welcomed, especially by
new
users:
jQuery.fn.debug = function() {
console.log(this);
return this;
}
Long chains that include callbacks with anonymous functions make it
difficult to use console.log($()). Can this be added to the jQ codebase
so
it's always available?
This is a ridiculous, not well thought out, and highly
individual/personalized request. Of course this should be a plugin! All
debuggers are plugins AFAIK -- or, at least compile time flags. Please
keep the core lean, mean, and clean, and think thrice before bloating.
~ Brice
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Re: [jQuery] Please add a basic debug function to the jQuery core...
Daemach I think you may have read a little too much harshness into
Brice's reply. Brice may have needed to use a little clearer, not so
open to being interperated as harsh.
Brice is quite helpful usually so it would be out of character for him
to beat someone down.
We're all learning here, so let's try to keep things calm and civil.
Your debug console idea is definately something that is useful and it
would work quite well as a plugin (which is also what I believe Brice
is saying).
Karl Rudd
On 3/13/07, Daemach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks for the beatdown Brice! I'm glad you're the only jerk I've seen on
this list!
And don't be an elitist prick - some people reviewing this framework are new
to jQuery and some even to javascript programming itself. If you can't say
something nice, go work at Microsoft.
Brice Burgess wrote:
Daemach wrote:
I would like to be able to dump the contents of the current selector to
the
console using $#myselector).debug() without loading a plugin.
Something
as simple as the following would work, though if you devs have some ideas
on
how to make it more useful I'm sure it would be welcomed, especially by
new
users:
jQuery.fn.debug = function() {
console.log(this);
return this;
}
Long chains that include callbacks with anonymous functions make it
difficult to use console.log($()). Can this be added to the jQ codebase
so
it's always available?
This is a ridiculous, not well thought out, and highly
individual/personalized request. Of course this should be a plugin! All
debuggers are plugins AFAIK -- or, at least compile time flags. Please
keep the core lean, mean, and clean, and think thrice before bloating.
~ Brice
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Re: [jQuery] Please add a basic debug function to the jQuery core...
You're right of course - telling anyone to go work at Microsoft is hitting
below the belt. Brice's posts lean towards the abrasive and this one just
set me off. My apologies.
Most of the new person questions on this list involve issues that could be
resolved easily if they could just see what is going on inside the code.
Firebug helps, but having a simple debug function available to people who
don't understand why they need a plugin just to get a simple jquery
function working would be very useful. How many times have you seen
questions about broken code that turns out to be a selector problem? Most
of those folks are just reading the documentation on the site and aren't
even thinking about extending the core package yet.
It doesn't matter in the end. pasting my debug function into the jquery.js
script solves my problem for the moment. I had just hoped to help the new
folks not hit the same walls I did when I was getting started.
Karl Rudd wrote:
Daemach I think you may have read a little too much harshness into
Brice's reply. Brice may have needed to use a little clearer, not so
open to being interperated as harsh.
Brice is quite helpful usually so it would be out of character for him
to beat someone down.
We're all learning here, so let's try to keep things calm and civil.
Your debug console idea is definately something that is useful and it
would work quite well as a plugin (which is also what I believe Brice
is saying).
Karl Rudd
On 3/13/07, Daemach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks for the beatdown Brice! I'm glad you're the only jerk I've seen
on
this list!
And don't be an elitist prick - some people reviewing this framework are
new
to jQuery and some even to javascript programming itself. If you can't
say
something nice, go work at Microsoft.
Brice Burgess wrote:
Daemach wrote:
I would like to be able to dump the contents of the current selector
to
the
console using $#myselector).debug() without loading a plugin.
Something
as simple as the following would work, though if you devs have some
ideas
on
how to make it more useful I'm sure it would be welcomed, especially
by
new
users:
jQuery.fn.debug = function() {
console.log(this);
return this;
}
Long chains that include callbacks with anonymous functions make it
difficult to use console.log($()). Can this be added to the jQ
codebase
so
it's always available?
This is a ridiculous, not well thought out, and highly
individual/personalized request. Of course this should be a plugin! All
debuggers are plugins AFAIK -- or, at least compile time flags.
Please
keep the core lean, mean, and clean, and think thrice before bloating.
~ Brice
~ Brice
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Thanks for the beatdown Brice! I'm glad you're the only jerk I've seen on
this list!
And don't be an elitist prick - some people reviewing this framework are new
to jQuery and some even to javascript programming itself. If you can't say
something nice, go work at Microsoft.
Brice Burgess wrote:
Daemach wrote:
I would like to be able to dump the contents of the current selector
to the console using $#myselector).debug() without loading a
plugin.
Something
as simple as the following would work, though if you devs have some
ideas on how to make it more useful I'm sure it would be welcomed,
especially by new
users:
jQuery.fn.debug = function() {
console.log(this);
return this;
}
Long chains that include callbacks with anonymous functions make it
difficult to use console.log($()). Can this be added to the jQ
codebase so it's always available?
This is a ridiculous, not well thought out, and highly
individual/personalized request. Of course this should be a plugin!
All debuggers are plugins AFAIK -- or, at least compile time flags.
Please keep the core lean, mean, and clean, and think thrice before
bloating.
~ Brice
~ Brice
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Re: [jQuery] Please add a basic debug function to the jQuery core...
Easy there tiger. Brice is one of the cool ones on here and I think he's
just voicing his opinion in general. I didn't read it as anything
personal against ya. :o)
Could everybody please just take a deep breath and re-read anything
they're about to post? Lets stay cool with each other. :o)
Rey
Daemach wrote:
Thanks for the beatdown Brice! I'm glad you're the only jerk I've seen on
this list!
And don't be an elitist prick - some people reviewing this framework are new
to jQuery and some even to javascript programming itself. If you can't say
something nice, go work at Microsoft.
Brice Burgess wrote:
Daemach wrote:
I would like to be able to dump the contents of the current selector to
the
console using $#myselector).debug() without loading a plugin.
Something
as simple as the following would work, though if you devs have some ideas
on
how to make it more useful I'm sure it would be welcomed, especially by
new
users:
jQuery.fn.debug = function() {
console.log(this);
return this;
}
Long chains that include callbacks with anonymous functions make it
difficult to use console.log($()). Can this be added to the jQ codebase
so
it's always available?
This is a ridiculous, not well thought out, and highly
individual/personalized request. Of course this should be a plugin! All
debuggers are plugins AFAIK -- or, at least compile time flags. Please
keep the core lean, mean, and clean, and think thrice before bloating.
~ Brice
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Re: [jQuery] Please add a basic debug function to the jQuery core...
I just wanted to say I'm sorry for responding to your post like that. It's
been a long day and calling my suggestion ridiculous just set me off. I
would hate to have some new person get a response like that and turn them
off from jQuery forever.
Again, my apologies for what it's worth.
Brice Burgess wrote:
Daemach wrote:
I would like to be able to dump the contents of the current selector to
the
console using $#myselector).debug() without loading a plugin.
Something
as simple as the following would work, though if you devs have some ideas
on
how to make it more useful I'm sure it would be welcomed, especially by
new
users:
jQuery.fn.debug = function() {
console.log(this);
return this;
}
Long chains that include callbacks with anonymous functions make it
difficult to use console.log($()). Can this be added to the jQ codebase
so
it's always available?
This is a ridiculous, not well thought out, and highly
individual/personalized request. Of course this should be a plugin! All
debuggers are plugins AFAIK -- or, at least compile time flags. Please
keep the core lean, mean, and clean, and think thrice before bloating.
~ Brice
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Re: [jQuery] Please add a basic debug function to the jQuery core...
*uncaps a beer*
You're all right, of course. Frankly, I am ashamed that I sunk to that
level. Having my suggestion called ridiculous just rubbed me the wrong
way. Some requests are ridiculous of course, but I don't think it's good
practice to marginalize or belittle someone's ideas because you don't agree
with them - especially in a public forum. This is the general mailing list
for jQuery which means new and old people alike are reading all of this.
Everyone should feel like they can post an idea without being slammed.
Rey Bango-2 wrote:
Easy there tiger. Brice is one of the cool ones on here and I think he's
just voicing his opinion in general. I didn't read it as anything
personal against ya. :o)
Could everybody please just take a deep breath and re-read anything
they're about to post? Lets stay cool with each other. :o)
Rey
Daemach wrote:
Thanks for the beatdown Brice! I'm glad you're the only jerk I've seen
on
this list!
And don't be an elitist prick - some people reviewing this framework are
new
to jQuery and some even to javascript programming itself. If you can't
say
something nice, go work at Microsoft.
Brice Burgess wrote:
Daemach wrote:
I would like to be able to dump the contents of the current selector to
the
console using $#myselector).debug() without loading a plugin.
Something
as simple as the following would work, though if you devs have some
ideas
on
how to make it more useful I'm sure it would be welcomed, especially by
new
users:
jQuery.fn.debug = function() {
console.log(this);
return this;
}
Long chains that include callbacks with anonymous functions make it
difficult to use console.log($()). Can this be added to the jQ
codebase
so
it's always available?
This is a ridiculous, not well thought out, and highly
individual/personalized request. Of course this should be a plugin! All
debuggers are plugins AFAIK -- or, at least compile time flags. Please
keep the core lean, mean, and clean, and think thrice before bloating.
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One thing that I want to ensure that everyone understands is that the jQuery project is as much about community as it is about the library. Its important that we all respect each other and listen to ideas, suggestions and advice. I hope to never see this community, that to date has been some accepting and welcoming, turn into a place where users, both new and experienced, fear to post simple questions or are derided for offering suggestions. jQuery has always been about exchanging ideas and finding cool ways to make your development life easier. With that said, I would recommend that everyone seriously take a step back and relax. Rey jQuery Project Team ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
