Re: [IxDA Discuss] new MFA in Interaction Design Announced by SVA
> > Would you take a Psych class from someone who doesn't have a degree in > Psych, but has counseled their friends on relationships for years? > Apples and oranges. You can't/shouldn't actually call yourself a psychologist without a Psych degree. Things get a bit more strict when you're dealing with people's heads, no? I'm not sure what a more apt comparison would be, though. Might help if the teacher knows a bit about gestalt principles and >> pre-attentive processing - and you don't pick that up coding xhtml and >> designing great things in Photoshop. > > I know quite a bit about psychology, and constantly use that knowledge as a designer. I have a decent enough understanding of pre-attentive processing, a strong understanding of gestalt and other relevant principles, don't write code unless I have to (I leave that to the experts), and only use Photoshop for editing screenshots. I don't have a Masters degree, and I didn't study Psych or HCI in college—I studied Philosophy and English. (In fact, the best developer I've ever met has an Associates in Illustration.) The Psych stuff I learned through self-education. Same with design. I never intended to become an interaction designer, but it turned out to be what I'm best at, and what I love doing. As such, I spend a huge amount of energy focused on getting better at it. That means studying Psychology, design, communication, marketing, social psychology ... you name it. So that's what I do. I don't have a MFA in anything related to my profession, but I could certainly teach it. -r- Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] new MFA in Interaction Design Announced by SVA
> Seriously, though—why should it be a requirement? Why do you have to have a > degree to know how to teach a class that gets someone else a degree? I think it depends. It depends on the field. It depends on the person's experience. In an MFA program, probably all that matters is the person is a great designer and a great teacher. Would you take a Psych class from someone who doesn't have a degree in Psych, but has counseled their friends on relationships for years? > Why > does a degree prove that you know what you're doing more than experience > proves it? As many have noted here, the graduates are often terrible > designers, and the great designers are often sans degree. > True that. Again - I am guessing that this is more than just studio classes. Are they going to cover dynamic visualization of quantitative data? Might help if the teacher knows a bit about gestalt principles and pre-attentive processing - and you don't pick that up coding xhtml and designing great things in Photoshop. Unless I am missing something... Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] new MFA in Interaction Design Announced by SVA
> > Also, I like Liz, Jeffrey, and Jason a lot—they're all great, and amply >> qualified to teach Masters programs—but the faculty is a little heavy on >> the >> HappyCog, no? Couldn't this lead to a biased education? >> > > Perhaps you know more than I -- > HappyCog is Zeldman's design consultancy. Liz and Jason are both HappyCog consultants. (When HappyCog was hired to do the WordPress redesign, in fact, Liz worked on it.) -r- Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] new MFA in Interaction Design Announced by SVA
> > Perhaps you know more than I -- but I was struck by what was missing after > going to every one of the listed faculty member's sites. Do any of these > folks even have masters degrees? Not one of them lists their education on > their personal or professional sites. Ironic for faculty of a masters > program, no? > I don't know if any of them have Masters degrees or not, but if they do, I'm not sure how important it is to advertise that fact on their personal sites. Which brings us back to the discussion on the importance of a masters degree > - do you need one if you are already a famous web designer? > In a word ... no. ;) Seriously, though—why should it be a requirement? Why do you have to have a degree to know how to teach a class that gets someone else a degree? Why does a degree prove that you know what you're doing more than experience proves it? As many have noted here, the graduates are often terrible designers, and the great designers are often sans degree. -r- Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] new MFA in Interaction Design Announced by SVA
> > We'll have to see the curriculum. If the faculty is made up of mostly >> designers and tactical practitioners, and there is little to no Cog Sci or >> HCI, then I would argue that it is less MFA in Interaction Design, and >> more >> MFA in Interactive/Interface Design. >> > Great point. I don't see anyone on that list with a Psych or HCI background (that I'm aware of, anyway)—they're all designers and coders. But hey, less-than-thorough curriculum is not the only problem with school faculties. I know someone who teaches Flash classes at SVA that wouldn't qualify for a job as a commercial Flash developer. He can run his own company and get clients, sure, but he'd never get past the interviews I used to run. I've also met many AI graduates who walked away with a diploma and no idea how to use FTP. (Professors with out-of-date knowledge is a very common problem—though, that's obviously not the case for this new MFA.) -r- Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] new MFA in Interaction Design Announced by SVA
I was neither arguing that interface design was interactive design, nor arguing that interaction design was information architecture. You must have misunderstood me. On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Andrei Herasimchuk < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jun 20, 2008, at 3:48 PM, Will Evans wrote: > > We'll have to see the curriculum. If the faculty is made up of mostly >> designers and tactical practitioners, and there is little to no Cog Sci or >> HCI, then I would argue that it is less MFA in Interaction Design, and >> more >> MFA in Interactive/Interface Design. >> > > Interface design is not and never was interactive design any more than > interaction design was information architecture. > > -- > Andrei Herasimchuk > > Principal, Involution Studios > innovating the digital world > > e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] > c. +1 408 306 6422 > > > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] new MFA in Interaction Design Announced by SVA
On Jun 20, 2008, at 3:48 PM, Will Evans wrote: We'll have to see the curriculum. If the faculty is made up of mostly designers and tactical practitioners, and there is little to no Cog Sci or HCI, then I would argue that it is less MFA in Interaction Design, and more MFA in Interactive/Interface Design. Interface design is not and never was interactive design any more than interaction design was information architecture. -- Andrei Herasimchuk Principal, Involution Studios innovating the digital world e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] c. +1 408 306 6422 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] new MFA in Interaction Design Announced by SVA
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Robert Hoekman Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > http://bobulate.com/2008/06/12/announcing-new-mfa-in-interaction-design/ > > > I'm interested in how Zeldman fits into a MFA on interaction design. Is > learning web standards part of the curriculum? If so, should it be? (Maybe > so, it just stuck me as odd, so I thought I'd toss it out there.) > We'll have to see the curriculum. If the faculty is made up of mostly designers and tactical practitioners, and there is little to no Cog Sci or HCI, then I would argue that it is less MFA in Interaction Design, and more MFA in Interactive/Interface Design. > Also, I like Liz, Jeffrey, and Jason a lot—they're all great, and amply > qualified to teach Masters programs—but the faculty is a little heavy on > the > HappyCog, no? Couldn't this lead to a biased education? > Perhaps you know more than I -- but I was struck by what was missing after going to every one of the listed faculty member's sites. Do any of these folks even have masters degrees? Not one of them lists their education on their personal or professional sites. Ironic for faculty of a masters program, no? Which brings us back to the discussion on the importance of a masters degree - do you need one if you are already a famous web designer? ~ will "Where you innovate, how you innovate, and what you innovate are design problems" - Will Evans | User Experience Architect tel +1.617.281.1281 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] twitter: https://twitter.com/semanticwill - Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] new MFA in Interaction Design Announced by SVA
> > http://bobulate.com/2008/06/12/announcing-new-mfa-in-interaction-design/ I'm interested in how Zeldman fits into a MFA on interaction design. Is learning web standards part of the curriculum? If so, should it be? (Maybe so, it just stuck me as odd, so I thought I'd toss it out there.) Also, I like Liz, Jeffrey, and Jason a lot—they're all great, and amply qualified to teach Masters programs—but the faculty is a little heavy on the HappyCog, no? Couldn't this lead to a biased education? -r- Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] new MFA in Interaction Design Announced by SVA
Hi PPl.. It's me again.. I would like to have your help one more time... 1) " Is there any short course which you would like to offer to MA of Industrial Design before applying for MA of Interaction? " 2) What Qualifications should an interaction designer has? p.s : " I forgot how to post a new topic so I just put it here... sorry" Ali . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=30192 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] new MFA in Interaction Design Announced by SVA
What's interesting is that they are still working on the curriculum and will be adding to the faculty. But I think they are here and it would be interesting for us to maybe take this opportunity to start suggesting a list of courses that fit into a two year program that makes the most sense, keeping in mind that it is an MFA (Fine Arts) and not just a Masters of Interaction Design. It would also be interesting to suggest what candidate students should have as prereqs for applying. -- dave . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=30192 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] new MFA in Interaction Design Announced by SVA
On Jun 13, 2008, at 8:19 PM, Dan Saffer wrote: On Jun 13, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Jack Leon Moffett wrote: Now that is interesting. It definitely wouldn't be easy, but I could see it working. I don't suppose there are any list members that have been through this program? Program doesn't begin until September. Heh. Any volunteers? ;) Jack Jack L. Moffett Interaction Designer inmedius 412.459.0310 x219 http://www.inmedius.com In our society, the scarce factor is not information, it is time to attend to information. - Herb Simon Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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On Jun 13, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Jack Leon Moffett wrote: On Jun 13, 2008, at 11:59 AM, Fred Beecher wrote: "To offer maximum flexibility to working professionals, the program is conducted through five once-a-month, four-day weekends of instruction and interaction, with online and network study between these residencies. Now that is interesting. It definitely wouldn't be easy, but I could see it working. I don't suppose there are any list members that have been through this program? Program doesn't begin until September. Dan Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] new MFA in Interaction Design Announced by SVA
On Jun 13, 2008, at 11:47 AM, paige saez wrote: Now that I have taken the first steps to teaching my school about what needs to be taught they are ecstatic about the future of the field and eager to get a formalized program in place and recruit more students like me to come to the school. That's quite an inspirational story, Paige. Nice work! On Jun 13, 2008, at 11:59 AM, Fred Beecher wrote: "To offer maximum flexibility to working professionals, the program is conducted through five once-a-month, four-day weekends of instruction and interaction, with online and network study between these residencies. Now that is interesting. It definitely wouldn't be easy, but I could see it working. I don't suppose there are any list members that have been through this program? Jack Jack L. Moffett Interaction Designer inmedius 412.459.0310 x219 http://www.inmedius.com Questions about whether design is necessary or affordable are quite beside the point: design is inevitable. The alternative to good design is bad design, not no design at all. - Douglas Martin Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] new MFA in Interaction Design Announced by SVA
On 6/12/08, erpdesigner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'd love to see a reputable university come up with a killer online MFA or > MS degree in interaction design, preferably something like Carnegie Mellon, > NYU or Stanford and something that's part time. There's other programs > online for computer engineering---why not interaction design? I agree with Jack... 100% online will not cut it for a design degree. But at least offer part-time or night options! I mean really... a LOT of potential students are professionals who depend on their jobs to do things like, oh, support and insure families, pay rent, etc. Once you reach a certain age you've typically accreted a certain amount of responsibility and you can't just disregard that to go to school. California College of the Arts has a Design Strategy MBA that they work in an interesting way... "To offer maximum flexibility to working professionals, the program is conducted through five once-a-month, four-day weekends of instruction and interaction, with online and network study between these residencies. This schedule allows participants from all over the United States to maintain their careers while keeping in close contact with team members, faculty, and program staff." http://www.cca.edu/academics/graduate/designmba/ So while that still can be tough from a time/cost perspective, it's at least possible. Simply shutting out working professionals seems like a poor decision to me. F. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] new MFA in Interaction Design Announced by SVA
I could not find an MFA program in Interaction Design in my area (Portland, Oregon) so I modified an existing program to suit my needs( PNCA MFA in Visual Studies). I enrolled in an open-framework, forward thinking school that gave me the freedom I needed to pursue my interests. It has been very hard and very rewarding. When I began the school year, (i just finished my first) I had to explain to everyone what it was I was studying and why and how it affected everyone. It took a while, but not THAT long. I still have to spend a lot of time evangelizing but that has taught me how to talk to people about Interaction Design. And yes, of course there are gaps in my education. But I am constantly working on projects and getting feedback from my community so my skill set is improving dramatically. I searched the local IxDA, Dorkbot, CHIFOO, ACM community for a mentor and found someone whom I adore and will be friends with for life, and the school arranged for this person to be paid to meet and teach me. The coursework we set out for my first year was extensive and at the end of the year I wrote up an entire project based course from the document. Now I can modify that into a syllabus to help teach other students - like me - that are just entering the field. Now that I have taken the first steps to teaching my school about what needs to be taught they are ecstatic about the future of the field and eager to get a formalized program in place and recruit more students like me to come to the school. I am still trying to grow a professional community in Portland, Oregon and I think it will be a while still before something formalizes with the school around an actual IxD program- maybe a couple of years? Shorter if more people help push and help teach to be honest. They are willing to pay and willing to provide space My point here is that this can be approached from many directions and that many progressive schools are eager to teach what students WANT to learn they just often don't know WHAT that is. We can help them by pushing them in certain directions-now PNCA may not be as wonderful, romantic or established as Carnegie Mellon (sigh. dreamy.) or SVA but it is 6 blocks from where I live and it is a fantastic school. By encouraging our local schools, teaching them what needs to be taught, we de-monopolizes our education needs and make the education more affordable (time, geography and money). -paige On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Jack Leon Moffett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jun 12, 2008, at 10:41 PM, erpdesigner wrote: > > I'd love to see a reputable university come up with a killer online MFA or >> MS degree in interaction design, preferably something like Carnegie Mellon, >> NYU or Stanford and something that's part time. There's other programs >> online for computer engineering---why not interaction design? >> > > > > I realize the convenience that would afford. However, I don't believe a > good design program could be done as a solely online course. It's been > debated on the list in the past, but the studio experience is an important > part of design education. An online course would also curtail the ability to > do group projects, which I feel are necessary. > > An online program would be fine for getting a degree, but not for getting > the experience that degree should represent. > > Jack > > > Jack L. Moffett > Interaction Designer > inmedius > 412.459.0310 x219 > http://www.inmedius.com > > > If I'd have asked my customers what they wanted, > they would have told me "A faster horse." > - Henry Ford > > > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! > To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe > List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines > List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help > -- Paige Saez User Experience Design Information Architecture 971.227.4384 Art.Media.Love. paigesaez.org makerlab.com red76.com Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] new MFA in Interaction Design Announced by SVA
On Jun 12, 2008, at 10:41 PM, erpdesigner wrote: I'd love to see a reputable university come up with a killer online MFA or MS degree in interaction design, preferably something like Carnegie Mellon, NYU or Stanford and something that's part time. There's other programs online for computer engineering---why not interaction design? I realize the convenience that would afford. However, I don't believe a good design program could be done as a solely online course. It's been debated on the list in the past, but the studio experience is an important part of design education. An online course would also curtail the ability to do group projects, which I feel are necessary. An online program would be fine for getting a degree, but not for getting the experience that degree should represent. Jack Jack L. Moffett Interaction Designer inmedius 412.459.0310 x219 http://www.inmedius.com If I'd have asked my customers what they wanted, they would have told me "A faster horse." - Henry Ford Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] new MFA in Interaction Design Announced by SVA
I'd love to see a reputable university come up with a killer online MFA or MS degree in interaction design, preferably something like Carnegie Mellon, NYU or Stanford and something that's part time. There's other programs online for computer engineering---why not interaction design? - Original Message From: Michael Tuminello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: IXDA list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 1:44:19 PM Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] new MFA in Interaction Design Announced by SVA Because I'm sure I won't be the only one wondering this: That's right. Best, Michael Michael Tuminello wrote: > Hi - > > One question - is it fulltime only? > > thanks - > > Michael > > > > -- For SVA news and event updates, visit www.sva.edu/signup/app OR subscribe to www.sva.edu/events/rss and www.sva.edu/news/rss. Michael Grant Assistant Director of Communication School of Visual Arts 209 East 23 Street New York, NY 10010-3994 Tel: 212.592.2011 Fax: 212.592.2012 www.sva.edu On Jun 12, 2008, at 1:50 PM, David Malouf wrote: > Check it out. > NYC is on the map of future potential Interaction conferences now. ;-) > > http://bobulate.com/2008/06/12/announcing-new-mfa-in-interaction-design/ > > -- dave > > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] new MFA in Interaction Design Announced by SVA
Because I'm sure I won't be the only one wondering this: That's right. Best, Michael Michael Tuminello wrote: Hi - One question - is it fulltime only? thanks - Michael -- For SVA news and event updates, visit www.sva.edu/signup/app OR subscribe to www.sva.edu/events/rss and www.sva.edu/news/rss. Michael Grant Assistant Director of Communication School of Visual Arts 209 East 23 Street New York, NY 10010-3994 Tel: 212.592.2011 Fax: 212.592.2012 www.sva.edu On Jun 12, 2008, at 1:50 PM, David Malouf wrote: Check it out. NYC is on the map of future potential Interaction conferences now. ;-) http://bobulate.com/2008/06/12/announcing-new-mfa-in-interaction-design/ -- dave Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
[IxDA Discuss] new MFA in Interaction Design Announced by SVA
Check it out. NYC is on the map of future potential Interaction conferences now. ;-) http://bobulate.com/2008/06/12/announcing-new-mfa-in-interaction-design/ -- dave -- David Malouf http://synapticburn.com/ http://ixda.org/ http://motorola.com/ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
