Re: [IxDA Discuss] Tale of buying a chair
Having spent more money than I care to admit on finding the perfect chair, the Herman Miller ones are the best you can find. You don't necessarily need the Aeron though, the newer ones are cheaper and very comfortable. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=42129 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Tale of buying a chair
Part of this is simple business dynamics. Most of the businesses mentioned in this primary distrubution channels are offline, they simply aren't interested in 1 to 1 relationships and sales, they are much more interested in that new office building, shoe store etc. Aeron chair is largely sold via word of mouth and high perceived value, it's Geigeresque sexy. No amount of web information will replace people going into the store to try one on for size...and that place is likely to be a distributor that Herman miller does want to support. Their goal in life is to support their distribution networks, and not to compete. So the web is more of a 'i guess we should have one', than a core strategy. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Tale of buying a chair
The HM hurts my rear. This looks cool: http://www.houseind.com/press/neutraslab/chair/ I doubt it would work with a desk though... On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Andy Polaine a...@polaine.com wrote: Having spent more money than I care to admit on finding the perfect chair, the Herman Miller ones are the best you can find. You don't necessarily need the Aeron though, the newer ones are cheaper and very comfortable. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=42129 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Tale of buying a chair
The HM hurts my rear, Yeah me too. Desks are so overrated, I've gone to just using wireframes...to hold drinks primarily. http://intrio.com/blog/2008/01/21/a-great-deal-1920x1600-24-monitor-for-370by-westinghouse/ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Tale of buying a chair
Angel - that looks like you'd never be able to get out of it! I have an Aeron but tried the Herman Miller Celle at Sam Flax in NY and it was extremely comfortable (probably more so than the Aeron) and about half the price. If you're in NY, I can recommend going there. The sales guy was really helpful, knowledgeable and not at all pushy – so much so that I would even consider ordering from them and having it shipped to Germany: http://www.samflaxny.com/browse.cfm/2,295.html Best, Andy Andy Polaine Interaction Experience Design + Service Design Research + Writing Twitter: apolaine Skype: apolaine http://www.polaine.com http://www.designersreviewofbooks.com http://www.omnium.net.au http://www.antirom.com Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Tale of buying a chair
Yeah me too. Desks are so overrated, I've gone to just using wireframes...to hold drinks primarily. http://intrio.com/blog/2008/01/21/a-great-deal-1920x1600-24-monitor-for-370by-westinghouse/ Wow, I could never work like that! I have way to many books on my desk for that to work. I need a good expanse of flat space. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Tale of buying a chair
What can I say, I am a man of leisure. Squeeze the boomerang chair into an inner tube and plop me into the pacific with a paddle and a sail and I will be A-okay. This place has some neat office furnishings: http://www.ambiencedore.com/collection/seating_keil_desk-con.php I am totally serious about the HM though. I know it is the chair of choice and all the top notch places that allows my oompa loompa ness to climb into one of those things I should be more forgiving; but, it hurts. This last place I was onsite and the girl I was office buddies with had a little cushion. We had a chair mix up. I thought she hooked me up because my butt hurt; but, I was wrong she was all give me my chair back. So, I guess she was working on my machine while I was away. BUSTED! A not so pushy sells man eigh. What a sweet guy! I've been scoping the furni lately. This is a good subject for me. Scream down the autobahn for me. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Tale of buying a chair
Wow, I could never work like that! I have way to many books on my desk for that to work. I need a good expanse of flat space. That's what floors are for :) of course I work at home so can get away that. But I used to work in an office I wasn't afraid to take over a floor area when the conference table wasn't big enough. Oh you can't see, to the left of me is a narrow fold down bench with a limited supply of books I generally require cleaning off every week (to keep my head clear), and off to the right is a 88 keyboard controller with room for other books. If piles were living creatures, they seem to grow every efficiently with a diet of big desks and paper. So I've tried to eliminate paper and desks as much as possible, lest I dissapear. What can I say, I am a man of leisure I have 2 foofs and a monitor on a cymbal stand or a projector for truly laid back. Works great with company. RE: Cushions I don't find most chairs comfortable either. I'm thin and incurred some butt injuries from cycling from junior high through college, hard to focus when you can't sit still :) I find a roho cushion invaluable. With cover off they are funky looking, but very adaptable. http://images.google.com/images?hl=enclient=firefox-arls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficialum=1sa=1q=roho+cushionbtnG=Search+Imagesaq=0oq=roho Each one of the inflateable cells moves. Originally meant for wheelchairs, They are used internally to the bodybuilt line of chairs and on motorcycles. Since it's portable and so comfortable it's easy to work anywhere. Like when I travel, half the time the airport has me on a long layover with a poweroutlet nowhere near the chairs, so just toss down the cushion and work. Troy. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Tale of buying a chair
a monitor on a cymbal stand or a projector for truly laid backThat rocks. Your setup on your blog looked vaguely familiar. I have dual lap tops with dual monitors and an assortment of peripherals. Dual white coned yamaha monitors sold to me by one of those not so pushy sales guys (he really hooked me up and he moonlights at the apple store too, he knows what he's doing full on music and apple studio at cost). I'm all about the makeshift music equipment/home office set up. I want a projector bad. I'm not a cushion guy either. At home I rock one of those semi cushioned cost plus fold out chairs anything else wouldn't fit the decor. Maybe if the roho had back pack straps... What we need is non chewable cables, wires, and cords. I have a snake pit and my kitties have managed to sever over a grands worth of electronic product (Wacom, cell phone charger, lap top charger, adapters etc). Always the same sitch...I go to use the device that was working just fine and all the sudden when I need it to work and it doesn't, follow the cord and it's been chewed through, look up and their my little angels are giving me play with me eyes. They like to lay on the keyboard while I type, always lay their heads on the return key. it's cute and I always let them. Same here, a coffee table, night stand, any surface stacked with a little Alexandria's worth of books always within arms reach. I bought one of those wireless keyboards to work with the PS3 to use it like a computer while I'm immobilized on the sofa...kind of a hard transition. I can't really get into it. Maybe I'll do an IXdA post from it to see if it helps... Dude, put the cymbal back on the cymbal stand and throw the monitor out the window. On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 3:19 AM, Troy Gardner t...@troyworks.com wrote: Wow, I could never work like that! I have way to many books on my desk for that to work. I need a good expanse of flat space. That's what floors are for :) of course I work at home so can get away that. But I used to work in an office I wasn't afraid to take over a floor area when the conference table wasn't big enough. Oh you can't see, to the left of me is a narrow fold down bench with a limited supply of books I generally require cleaning off every week (to keep my head clear), and off to the right is a 88 keyboard controller with room for other books. If piles were living creatures, they seem to grow every efficiently with a diet of big desks and paper. So I've tried to eliminate paper and desks as much as possible, lest I dissapear. What can I say, I am a man of leisure I have 2 foofs and a monitor on a cymbal stand or a projector for truly laid back. Works great with company. RE: Cushions I don't find most chairs comfortable either. I'm thin and incurred some butt injuries from cycling from junior high through college, hard to focus when you can't sit still :) I find a roho cushion invaluable. With cover off they are funky looking, but very adaptable. http://images.google.com/images?hl=enclient=firefox-arls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficialum=1sa=1q=roho+cushionbtnG=Search+Imagesaq=0oq=roho Each one of the inflateable cells moves. Originally meant for wheelchairs, They are used internally to the bodybuilt line of chairs and on motorcycles. Since it's portable and so comfortable it's easy to work anywhere. Like when I travel, half the time the airport has me on a long layover with a poweroutlet nowhere near the chairs, so just toss down the cushion and work. Troy. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Tale of buying a chair
If car companies can provide list prices for their products online, why can't a furniture manufacturer? However, I disagree that Herman Miller products are as ridiculous as their interface design decisions (of course, this includes some classics like the Eames chairs that Herman Miller is licensed to sell...) Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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Sometimes they do, but it's always suggested retail price (usually highest price), and often times there are advertise price minimums to keep the competition from cannibalizing all the profits. That's all I'd expect from them. In the end, an individual is most likely going to purchase from a distributor anyway, so go ahead and just provide the list price. Like a automotive company, I know the price online isn't the final price due to haggling and various fees. I too just just find it odd that a furniture company couldn't do something similar. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Tale of buying a chair
RE: kittens and cables Wait.. you're saying your angels chewed through your wireless keyboard cables? ;) Really you need a blender defender. http://www.plasma2002.com/blenderdefender/ I have a touch screen on the cymbal mount, so it can do cymbals with the correct music software, but I beatbox so don't really need that. Music gear is great for functional furniture prototyping, it's durable, adjustable. portable ..in a pinch it doubles as home security. Studio monitors are SOO much better than the stuff you get at most consumers stores. I use genelec monitors, self powered, no need for a ugly big receivers etc. I have alexandria's library by the bed..takes up a whole wall. After all reading is something I take very seriously :) Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Tale of buying a chair
If car companies can provide list prices for their products online, why can't a furniture manufacturer? Sometimes they do, but it's always suggested retail price (usually highest price), and often times there are advertise price minimums to keep the competition from cannibalizing all the profits. In the end most everything is negotiable...and would you like fries with that? Furniture is more like gasoline, though the same physical item. The market bears different prices in different areas. There are discounts when sold bulk, and many additives (e.g. cloth color, backplate, desks, footrests) that can vastly add to the total value to both the customer and the person selling. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Tale of buying a chair
plasma2002No way dude. I advocate for the kitties. No tormentor shock treatment. If I came across one of those I would dismantle it. More my style: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ-jv8g1YVI I have a touch screen on the cymbal mount, so it can do cymbals with the correct music software, but I beatbox so don't really need that. Three things come to mind. 1. I once saw this band at the purple onion in SF about 10 years ago and the drummer played standing up and instead of a ride cymbal on the stand he had a casio keyboard and he played it with that stick. 2. I just stumbled into this apparel art opening etc and the drummer had a half traditional kit and half electronic. Digital snare and other stuff plugged directly into the mixer that was right at his side. Totally hacked together. It sounds well balanced and good. 3. http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1908741 Music gear is great for functional furniture prototyping, it's durable, adjustable. portable ..in a pinch it doubles as home security. Totally. I was buying mic stands and this one guy made me buy one with a boom stick. I'm glad . Drum hardware is especially versatile. IKEA Yep, the monitors are an entirely different trip in a good way. Reading is fundamental. On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Troy Gardner t...@troyworks.com wrote: RE: kittens and cables Wait.. you're saying your angels chewed through your wireless keyboard cables? ;) Really you need a blender defender. http://www.plasma2002.com/blenderdefender/ I have a touch screen on the cymbal mount, so it can do cymbals with the correct music software, but I beatbox so don't really need that. Music gear is great for functional furniture prototyping, it's durable, adjustable. portable ..in a pinch it doubles as home security. Studio monitors are SOO much better than the stuff you get at most consumers stores. I use genelec monitors, self powered, no need for a ugly big receivers etc. I have alexandria's library by the bed..takes up a whole wall. After all reading is something I take very seriously :) Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Tale of buying a chair
Save yourself a ton of hassle and money and pick one up used at a local contract interiors dealer. Or better yet, pick up something less expensive, but just as functional. I've been loving my Herman Miller Equa2 for close to 15 years now. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=42129 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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The two examples I use (when I teach) to show this disconnect are Crumpler (crumpler.com.au) and Dr Martens (drmartens.com). Both fantastic products with insanely bad web presence! Scott McDaniel wrote: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090519-0, 19/05/2009), Inbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean That's really the shame of it - the way many might experience the physical product is represented by the sub-par online experience. -- Donna Spencer - Maadmob do...@maadmob.net 02 6255 4993 / 0409778693 http://maadmob.com.au/ http://www.rosenfeldmedia.com/books/cardsorting/ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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In a completely different sense, I always used to love Telstra's site - www.telstra.com - as a way of highlighting the disconnect between the brand promise Making life easier and the reality as evidenced by your interaction with the business. 2009/5/20 Donna Spencer don...@maadmob.net The two examples I use (when I teach) to show this disconnect are Crumpler (crumpler.com.au) and Dr Martens (drmartens.com). Both fantastic products with insanely bad web presence! Scott McDaniel wrote: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090519-0, 19/05/2009), Inbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean That's really the shame of it - the way many might experience the physical product is represented by the sub-par online experience. -- Donna Spencer - Maadmob do...@maadmob.net 02 6255 4993 / 0409778693 http://maadmob.com.au/ http://www.rosenfeldmedia.com/books/cardsorting/ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help -- Steve 'Doc' Baty | Principal | Meld Consulting | P: +61 417 061 292 | E: steveb...@meld.com.au | Twitter: docbaty | Skype: steve_baty | LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/stevebaty Director, IxDA - ixda.org Editor: Johnny Holland - johnnyholland.org Contributor: UXMatters - www.uxmatters.com UX Australia: 26-28 August, http://uxaustralia.com.au UX Book Club: http://uxbookclub.org/ - Read, discuss, connect. Blog: http://meld.com.au/blog Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
