Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Fwd: 2022 Board elections

[María Arias de Reyna via Discuss]

Congratulations!

On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 6:24 PM Vicky Vergara via Board <
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>
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: Jorge Gustavo Rocha 
> Date: Mon, Dec 26, 2022 at 5:19 PM
> Subject: 2022 Board elections
> To: OSGeo Board 
> Cc: OSGeo Chief Returning Officer 
>
>
> Dear Board Members,
>
> The voting period for board members is over. As we all know, this year
> we only had 4 nominations for same number of vacant positions.
>
> The results confirm that the nominees are well known within the
> community and all receive an expressive number of votes.
>
> The count for each nominee is:
>
> Member  Count   Percentage
> Ariel Anthieni  224 77.24%
> Tom Kralidis247 85.17%
> Michael Smith   218 75.17%
> Angelos Tzotsos 248 85.52%
>
> We would like to congratulate the new board members.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jorge Gustavo Rocha, Vicky Vergara and Vasile Craciunescu
> (your 2022 OSGeo Elections CROs)
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] Conference resources working group

[María Arias de Reyna via Discuss]

Hi!

This has been largely discussed for years and never implemented (well,
Steven Feldman did his part on the sponsorship team in 2021) so I am all
for it! Thanks Luca!


On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 4:24 PM Eli Adam  wrote:

> Hi Luca and all,
>
> That sounds like a great idea!
>
> Best regards, Eli
> --
> *From:* Discuss  on behalf of Astrid
> Emde (OSGeo) via Discuss 
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 28, 2022 11:15 PM
> *To:* Luca Delucchi 
> *Cc:* OSGeo-Conf ; OSGeo Discussions <
> discuss@lists.osgeo.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] Conference resources working
> group
>
> Hello Luca, hello all,
>
> thanks Luca for the idea. I support it strongly. We have such a
> structure for the FOSSGIS conference too and it helps a lot.
>
> I added my name to the page and I am happy to support FOSS4Gs.
>
> See you Astrid
>
> Am 29.08.2022 07:33 schrieb Luca Delucchi:
> > Dear Conference committee, OSGeo friends;
> >
> > working on the FOSS4G and SotM 2022 organization I was able to see two
> > different types of organization for the two conferences. I really like
> > the idea of having a working group helping the LOC team that OSM
> > foundation has, this helps a lot to simplify the work of LOC.
> > So in these days I spoke with some people about my idea to create a
> > working group in helping the different LOCs to have a successful
> > FOSS4G (mainly the international one but it could also be done with
> > regional if needed, for example setting up or helping with pretalx).
> > Most of the people I spoke with really liked the idea so I added it to
> > the board meeting and all the members supported the idea. I already
> > found some people interested in being part of this working group.
> >
> > This new group is not a replacement of the Conference Committee
> > because they have two different purposes:
> > - the Conference Committee has to put out the bid and choose the best
> > candidate
> > - the Conference resources (final name has to be decided but this is a
> > good proposal of Michael) has to help the chosen candidate to set up a
> > good FOSS4G and simplify the work and it is a operative entity
> >
> > I started a wiki page [0] and I'll be working on that in the next
> > weeks, if you are interested to be part of and support this working
> > group please add your name.
> >
> > I would like to have the first meeting by the end of September, after
> > having a call with FOSS4G 2023 team.
> >
> > [0] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Conference_Resources
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Conference selection transparency (Was Announcement: Call for Location global FOSS4G 2023)

[María Arias de Reyna via Discuss]

On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 1:13 PM Jonathan Moules via Discuss
 wrote:
> I don't think there's any need to reinvent the wheel here; a number of 
> open-source initiatives seem to use scoring for evaluating proposals. Chances 
> are something from one of them can be borrowed.
>
> Apache use it for scoring mentee proposals for GSOC: 
> https://community.apache.org/mentee-ranking-process.html
>
> Linux Foundation scores their conference proposals for example: 
> https://events.linuxfoundation.org/kubecon-cloudnativecon-europe/program/scoring-guidelines/

Am I understanding it wrong or this is to accept talk proposals, not
conference proposals?

Scoring a contractor for a well defined project (as you pointed public
administrations do), choosing the right person for a specified job, or
deciding if a talk deserves to be in a schedule is more or less "easy"
compared to decide who is hosting a conference.

If you want to propose a draft of score requirements for FOSS4G, I
think it would be interesting to go through them and try to come up
with something. Even if the scoring is not binding, it may help future
proposals see what is the path.

My only "but" with this system (which I use almost always when I have
to review anything and I intended to use for this FOSS4G voting) is
that it is hard to come up with an objective system that counts all
the variables. And if the score does not match the final decision, it
may be difficult to process.

I have been on the GSoC as mentor with the ASF and true, we have a
ranking process, but it helped us mostly to order the candidates and
reject those that deviate too much. The final decision was not a clear
numeric decision. When the difference is small, you do have to
consider other things. And from what I have seen these past few years
on FOSS4G, either there is one candidate that outshines obviously, or
the difference is really small between candidates and it comes down to
things that may not be even defined on the RFP.

And there's things you have to consider that a generic scoring system
can't help you with. We used this system in FOSS4G 2021 to decide
which talks to accept on the conference, where the community voting
had a strong weight but was not binding. And we had to make some
exceptions with good talks that were experimental but didn't get a
good score and objectively numerically they were rejected. We also had
to reject some duplicated talks that had a high score but we couldn't
argue both were accepted. Which one to reject? Usually the one that
had a speaker with more talks. But what if both have a speaker with no
more talks? That's something you have to check case by case.

Which leads us that with the scoring there is less room for
experimentation because the candidates will focus on getting high
scores on specific questions. Not on offering what is their best. For
example, the proposal we made for FOSS4G Sevilla 2019 in a pirate
amusement park to celebrate Magallanes... no score could have
predicted that.

So I may agree on scoring, not on binding scoring.

But first we need some draft to work on to score proposals :)
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Announcement: Call for Location global FOSS4G 2023

[María Arias de Reyna via Discuss]

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 10:50 PM Jonathan Moules via Discuss
 wrote:
> On the surface, this is a good idea, but unfortunately it has a fundamental 
> problem:
> There are no "criteria for selection" of the conference beyond "the committee 
> members voted for this proposal". There's zero transparency in the process.

I can't let this serious accusation go unanswered.

All the process is done via public mailing lists. All the criteria is
published on the Request For Proposals. Anyone on the community can
review the RFP and propose changes to it. Anyone on the community can
read the proposals and interact with the candidatures.

The only two things that are not public are:
 * Confidentiality issues with the proposals. For example sometimes
providers give you huge discounts in exchange of not making that
discount public. So you can't show the budget publicly, unless you are
willing to not use the discount.
 * What each member of the committee votes. And this is to ensure they
can freely vote without fearing consequences.

Which are two very reasonable exceptions.

Anyone can ask questions to the candidates. If I am right, you
yourself have been very active on this process for the past years.
Were you not the one that asked what a GeoChica is or am I confusing
you with some other Jonathan? If I am confusing you with some other
Jonathan, my mistake. Maybe you are not aware of the transparency of
the process.

The process is transparent and public except on those two exceptions
that warrantee the process is going to be safe.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] Announcement: Call for Location global FOSS4G 2023

[María Arias de Reyna via Discuss]

Hi,

This is my personal opinion as co-chair of FOSS4G 2021 and not any
official OSGeo statement. Take it with a grain of salt. I am still
recovering from the burnout of organizing it, so I may be very biased
:)

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 3:42 PM Jonathan Moules via Discuss
 wrote:
> Why? If it can be held in a virtual format then surely that's better
> than an in-person event?

Better is a subjective term. It is better in some aspects, it is worse
in some others. When we changed FOSS4G 2021 to the online version, we
researched as much as we could about how to do it properly. And though
I still need to write a second part post-event of this post[1] it
summarized concerns that are really not fully solved in an online
event. Most of the points stated there still stand.

I would advocate to have both, online and face to face, maybe on
alternate years, maybe adding as a "fourth" option on the rotation.
Online is good, but in my opinion, it can't replace all in person
events. And that hurts to say.

> Online is more accessible,

Depends on how you measure accessible.

Not everybody has the network bandwidth or hardware to attend an
online event, to name the most obvious one. But they may take a train
or bus and go to the venue.

And don't let me start with streaming services that ban certain
countries. Because for example if you are streaming from USA, there
are several countries that can't watch it. Period. By law. Safest
place to stream from is Europe, which usually adds up to the bill. Or
you stream from several locations, which adds complexity.

What about communicating in a foreign language with all the body
language missing? Not everyone is fluent in English. But when you are
physically there, you can read clues on body language and you can use
other methods to complement the English you are not fully
understanding. That's missing on online events. May be minor to native
speakers, but it makes the event less accessible to some people.

Timezones are a nightmare too. Many people can travel and adapt to the
timezone of the venue, but if you don't travel, some people find it
hard to adapt to the timezone. Imagine you live with kids. Are you
going to stay awake and sleep during the day without that affecting
either you or them? It can be done, but saying "more accessible" as a
blank statement is subjective. It has its difficulties.

I agree that depending on the venue (is it accessible to wheelchairs?
does the catering have allergy options? can you reach it walking or on
public transport?) or the country chosen (can you get a VISA or are
you in danger for being LGBTQ+?), it may be better to do it online,
sure thing. But you have to go case by case. No generalizations here.

> cheaper,

This really depends on how good you want your event to be. You can
have a free event (on Twitch or YouTube and expect ads in between
talks) or you can pay for a good platform that offers services useful
to make the conference better. How many of these services do you want?
Did you like the social map from 2021? Was it too much? Do you want to
have private video chats? What else can you add? Maybe some virtual
reality room for the gala dinner?

We ended up having a good price for all of this, but at a cost of a
lot of volunteering work. Exhausting volunteering work that wouldn't
have been required on a face to face version.

> and the
> massive environmental impact of several hundred people flying to an
> arbitrary point on the globe

With this I agree 100%.

> Now is a good opportunity to re-evaluate the need for it to be in-person
> given the evident success of 2021's online event.
>
>
> It strikes me that online has numerous advantages:
>
> * Cheaper to attend

Usually true (and true in our case), but I wouldn't count on that as
another generalization without looking at close numbers.

> * Cheaper to organise

This depends a lot on where you organize it face to face and how you
organize it online.

> * Easier to organise (? a supposition)

Well, I have found the online version much much much harder to
organize than similar conferences in person. Just because on the
online version there is absolutely no room to improvise, you have to
have everything completely tied before the event. And have a backup
plan. And a backup plan for the backup plan. And then maybe a third
backup plan. And then during the event you will run out of backup
plans and your only choice will be to shrug very hard.

The moderator is missing because whatever personal issues.
F2F: Anyone else in the room can act as moderator
Online: Who has privileges to be a moderator in this room? Anyone?
Someone? Are all the backup moderators busy somewhere else? How many
rooms are on fire right now? Who can we speed up and teach how the
controls work in less than five minutes?

I want to thank again the amazing work of the horde of volunteers that
moderated this 2021. And even when they were a huge amazing group and
did their best, and we had a huge pool of backups, there 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] 2021 OSGeo Board of Directors election results

[María Arias de Reyna via Discuss]

Congratulations to all the candidates! This was not an easy voting :)

On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 10:41 AM Anne Ghisla via Board <
bo...@lists.osgeo.org> wrote:

> Dear OSGeo members and friends,
>
> Thanks to all candidates for going through the election process and
> thank you all for your participation in this election.
>
> These are the results from the 2021 elections for the 5 open seats on
> the OSGeo Board of Directors.
>
> The results in alphabetical order are:
>
> * Adam Steer
> * Codrina Maria Ilie
> * Marco Bernasocchi
> * Rajat Shinde
> * Vicky Vergara
>
>
> Election figures are:
>
> * 321 votes out of 497
> * 65% participation
>
> All candidates received a large number of votes recognizing their
> engagement in our community.
>
> Detailed number of votes for each candidate are available on the OSGeo
> wiki [1].
>
> Jorge Gustavo Rocha and Anne Ghisla
> (your 2021 OSGeo Elections CROs)
>
> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Election_2021_Results
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G Facebook Page?

[María Arias de Reyna via Discuss]

Not really our call, we couldn't find who was behind that one either.

El mié., 20 oct. 2021 17:53, Michele M Tobias 
escribió:

> Thanks! That's helpful to know that there are pages for specific
> conferences, which is totally fine.
>
> Michele
>
> Michele Tobias, PhD
> Geospatial Data Specialist
> DataLab: Data Science & Informatics
> Data & Digital Scholarship
> UC Davis Library
>
> 370 Shields Library
> (530)752-7532
> mmtob...@ucdavis.edu
> ORCID: -0002-2954-8710
>
> Pronouns: she, her, hers
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: María Arias de Reyna 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 11:04 PM
> To: Michele M Tobias 
> Cc: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G Facebook Page?
>
> Hi Michele,
>
> FOSS4G 2021 LOC has no idea, we used this one:
> https://www.facebook.com/foss4g2021ba
>
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 10:45 PM Michele M Tobias via Discuss <
> discuss@lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone know who owns or manages the FOSS4G page on Facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/FOSS4G/ ?  I tried messaging the owners last
> week but haven’t gotten a response. Now the page has either been made
> private or could have been deleted. I tried to create a new page with this
> name, but it’s already taken.  I wanted to see if anyone knew anything
> about the existing page before I make another one.  Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> > Michele
> >
> >
> >
> > Michele Tobias, PhD
> >
> > Geospatial Data Specialist
> >
> > DataLab: Data Science & Informatics
> >
> > Data & Digital Scholarship
> >
> > UC Davis Library
> >
> >
> >
> > 370 Shields Library
> >
> > (530)752-7532
> >
> > mmtob...@ucdavis.edu
> >
> > ORCID: -0002-2954-8710
> >
> >
> >
> > Pronouns: she, her, hers
> >
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G Facebook Page?

[María Arias de Reyna via Discuss]

Hi Michele,

FOSS4G 2021 LOC has no idea, we used this one:
https://www.facebook.com/foss4g2021ba

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 10:45 PM Michele M Tobias via Discuss
 wrote:
>
> Does anyone know who owns or manages the FOSS4G page on Facebook 
> https://www.facebook.com/FOSS4G/ ?  I tried messaging the owners last week 
> but haven’t gotten a response. Now the page has either been made private or 
> could have been deleted. I tried to create a new page with this name, but 
> it’s already taken.  I wanted to see if anyone knew anything about the 
> existing page before I make another one.  Thanks!
>
>
>
> Michele
>
>
>
> Michele Tobias, PhD
>
> Geospatial Data Specialist
>
> DataLab: Data Science & Informatics
>
> Data & Digital Scholarship
>
> UC Davis Library
>
>
>
> 370 Shields Library
>
> (530)752-7532
>
> mmtob...@ucdavis.edu
>
> ORCID: -0002-2954-8710
>
>
>
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[OSGeo-Discuss] [FOSS4G] OSGeo Projects swag

[María Arias de Reyna via Discuss]

Hi everyone!

As this year we will not be able to give any kind of swag or merchandise in
person, we want to add a virtual "swag bag" for attendees.

We were toying with the idea of offering things from the projects. Like the
instant classic joke of giving free QGIS licenses.

So I want to ask you, as part of FOSS4G projects, if you can send us swags
to offer. Members of projects will know better than us what each project
can offer and how to catch the eye of the attendees.

We would need:
 * An image
 * A catchy phrase
 * Longer description
 * Link, attached file or whatever we are offering. Could be a download
link of the software itself.

You can send me those in private if you don't want to spoil the surprise.

Just offering a free license of $project would be nice, but if you can find
something different or more experimental, we are here to experiment!

Thank you so much,
María.
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[OSGeo-Discuss] [FOSS4G] Schedule released!

[María Arias de Reyna via Discuss]

Good news everyone!

We have published a first version of the schedule![1]
Note that you can change the timezone using the drop-down selection at the
top left of the schedule. Default timezone shown is Buenos Aire's timezone.

The schedule is still subject to change, as we are still tweaking minor
changes. All speakers will be soon contacted by the session leaders in
charge of their session. Vouchers for the registration tickets will be
released soon. We are working as fast as we can, please be patient.

If you sent some proposal but you don't see your talk published there and
you didn't receive a rejection email, it may be we are still waiting for
your confirmation. Please, check your inbox and your spam box because you
should have either an acceptance email or a rejection email. And if you
can't find anything and/or you want to double-check, login into the call
for papers[2][3] and confirm your status.

**There are accepted talks waiting to be confirmed. Don't be one of those!**

Thank you all for your participation. This is going to be great.

See you soon!
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[1] https://2021.foss4g.org/schedule/outline.html or if you prefer on a
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[2] Talks:
https://callforpapers.2021.foss4g.org/foss4g2021/login/?next=/foss4g2021/me/submissions/
[3] Workshops:
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2021: Community vote is open!

[María Arias de Reyna]

Dear geogeeks,

The community voting will close on Saturday. Don't forget to rate our
proposals so we can curate the best schedule possible!

On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 1:04 PM Veronica Andreo 
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> The traditional *community vote is open*!!
>
> https://callforpapers.2021.foss4g.org/foss4g2021/p/voting/signup/
>
> To be able to vote, you need to type in your email there (that's required
> only once), search for the automatic email in your inbox to confirm the
> address and done, you are ready to go! The votes are anonymous
>
> You can use the weekend to go through all *~300 proposed talks* and tell
> us what you think :)
>
> Voting options are: Does not fit in a FOSS4G, Looks acceptable, Looks
> interesting and A FOSS4G must-see
>
> Have fun!
> The FOSS4G 2021 LOC
>
> ps: There's time until May 15th to cast your vote :)
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Academic track deadline (?)

[María Arias de Reyna]

Hi!

The deadline for the academic track is still 30th of March. But we did
add that "buffer" in case someone is waiting for the last minute and
their connection fail. We may close it sooner if there's no one asking
for it because technical issues.

Don't wait for the last minute.

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 12:49 PM Massimiliano Cannata
 wrote:
>
>
> Hi there, from the submission page [1] it seems the deadline is the 
> 2021-04-03 23:59 while the geoforall page indicates today (30/03/2021) as 
> deadline.
>
> Can we consider the 3rd April as deadline then?
>
> Cheers,
> maxi
>
>
> [1] https://callforpapers.2021.foss4g.org/foss4g-2021-academic/cfp
> [2] https://2021.foss4g.org/call-for-papers/academic.html
>
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[OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G news: We are going online!

[María Arias de Reyna]

Dear folks interested in the FOSS4G,

We want to inform you that FOSS4G 2021 will finally take place online.
Given current circumstances, we cannot guarantee the safety of a
face-to-face conference, but we were committed to organizing a FOSS4G
come hell or high water! So online it is. This is a big change, and we
know there are a lot of questions. We will try to answer them as soon
as possible, so please be patient with us!

We can assure you that we are working to provide the best experience
for the social, business and academic facets of the conference. Online
tickets will be available to purchase as soon as we polish some
details.

Now, celebrate with us and answer the call for papers! Remember: you
have until March 31st 2021 to send your talk and workshop proposals,
and until March 8th 2021 to submit abstracts for the academic track.

Are you using FOSS4G? We want to hear about your biggest success, your
wildest use cases, your day-to-day difficulties, the strangest
outcome, an unexpected happy finding, and your tricks to interconnect
all the pieces.

Are you contributing to a FOSS4G project? We want to learn the state
of the art, the latest fun feature, the biggest refactor failure, how
you interact with your community, what your roadmap is, how you do
code review, how fast your processes are, and how you ensure the
higher quality of the software.

We are looking both for experienced and new voices of our community.
Panels, ask-me-anything, live action dynamics,... anything you ever
wanted to try, this is the time to do it. This FOSS4G is going to be
completely different, make the most out of it.

This is our FOSS4G, this is your FOSS4G, own it!

Plus, this year all speakers will have a free ticket[1]! If you ever
wanted to come to FOSS4G this is your chance.

See you soon!
FOSS4G 2021 Local Conference Committee.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Happy New Year 2021!

[María Arias de Reyna]

Happy New Year!

I wish you all a healthy and happy 2021!

I hope that among your New Year's resolutions is to participate in the
next FOSS4G[0]. Did you know that we have the call for papers already
open[1]? Don't wait till the last day to send your proposal. And
remember that you can send more than one proposal. The more, the
merrier. We want to hear new voices and new ideas to prove we haven't
been idle this past two years. Show us what you have been up to!

See you soon!
Hopefully, face to face, on a geoparty.
María.

[0] https://2021.foss4g.org/
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Time for me to move on from OSGeo

[María Arias de Reyna]

That's part sad and part happy to hear. Sad because you will be surely
missed. And happy because I know you are moving to what sounds like a great
adventure.

Lots of luck to you, wherever you go!

On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 2:45 PM Cameron Shorter 
wrote:

> Hi all,
> I've decided that I need to significantly step back from my involvement in
> OSGeo activities.
> I've picked up my involvement in tech writing in open source, focused
> around https://thegooddocsproject.dev and I need to drop some things.
> I've also moved my career toward tech writing.
>
> As such, I offer my retirement notice to all of the OSGeo committees that
> I've been involved in. (Feel free to move me into the retired section of
> committees.)
> I will hover around the edges of OSGeoLive, and OSGeoLexicon, and will be
> available if people reach out to me directly.
> But I've been here for over a decade. It is time for me to try something
> new, and create space for others.
>
> Good luck to everyone. OSGeo has done some great things and I'm sure will
> do much more.
>
> --
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[OSGeo-Discuss] My last letter as President

[María Arias de Reyna]

Dear fellow OSGeoers,

I want to congratulate all the recently elected members of the Board,
specially the new ones! I hope you enjoy the journey as much as I did
and contribute with your unique view to our organization. I want to
thank all the people that helped me on this two-year journey and I
hope I helped others on this journey too. OSGeo is evolving to be more
inclusive, diverse and bigger than ever and I am proud of you all.

As some of you may know, some months ago I decided to go back into the
barricades and far from public exposure. I think rotating positions
inside a voluntary organization is something very healthy to do and
gives you a unique perspective. That's why I decided to participate on
a proposal for FOSS4G 2021 and not repeat elections again for the
Board.

I hereby resign as President to let one of the current members of the
Board take this position. I have always a strong advocate that this
kind of positions should be taken by Board members, so I want to
explicitly facilitate the transition. Our current vice-presidents
Helena Mitasova and Angelos Tzotsos will fill the space until a new
President is appointed.

I have to say I'm still a bit sad of the geographic, cultural and
ethnic representation on the Board. I am sure we can change this on
the following years. Until then, I am confident current members of the
Board will do a great job representing you all.

See you all in Calgary in 2020!
María, your former OSGeo President.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Election 2019 OSGeo board members

[María Arias de Reyna]

Thank you for stepping forward to the Board!

Baovola has been very active pushing her local/regional community
forward. She is one of those important assets on our community that
makes it work like a well-oiled engine. If you haven't crossed your
path with her yet I am pretty sure you will very soon, whether she is
elected or not.

I am confident she is a very good choice and will be a nice surprise
to those of you who still don't know her.

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 8:15 AM Marie Anna Baovola
 wrote:
>
> Dear OSGeo family,
>
> My name is Baovola,
>
> I am pleased to be nominated for the OSGeo Board by Maria Arias de Reyna.
>
> I would like to make a significant and tangible effort within this community.
>
> Please find here our Manifestos.
>
> I really appreciate if you would help me to reach my goal through this vote :)
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
> Baovola
>
> --
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>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo board Nomination

[María Arias de Reyna]

Thank you for accepting the nomination!

I think you are doing a great job already and I really feel you should
get the opportunity to amplify your voice by being in the board.

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 3:18 PM Msilikale Msilanga
 wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have been nominated in the OSGeo board members, check out my manifesto 
> here: 
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Election_2019_Candidate_Manifestos#1._Msilikale_Msilanga.2C_Tanzania_.28OSGeo_profile.29
>
> Please let me know if there is any questions.
>
> Best,
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo board nomination

[María Arias de Reyna]

Codrina for president!

I warmly nominate her. If you haven't heard about her awesomeness yet,
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Charter-members] OSGeo 2019 Board of Directors elections: call for nominations

[María Arias de Reyna]

Dear OSGeo peers,

Nomination period is coming to a close. Did you nominate your
favourite member to be on the Board? Don't lose this opportunity to
choose who represents you!

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 10:53 PM Jorge Gustavo Rocha  wrote:
>
> Dear OSGeo members,
>
> The 2019 elections are not over. Right after the charter member
> elections, we have the OSGeo Board elections.
>
> The nomination period for new Members of the Board of Directors is now
> open and goes until 2019-11-16. Only Charter Members are eligible for a
> seat on the Board and voting, but that anybody can nominate a board member.
>
> María Arias de Reyna, Astrid Emde, Jody Garnett, Jeff McKenna and Helena
> Mitasova have reached the end of their 2-year term. So we have 5 vacant
> seats on the Board.
>
> Briefly, to nominate new Board members, you should:
> 1) Please confirm with the person that they would like to stand for
> election as a Board member.
> 2) Email you nomination to c...@osgeo.org, using the following template:
> Nominating person: 
> Nominating e-mail: 
> Nominating profile page: 
> Nominee full name: 
> Nominee e-mail: 
> Nominee profile page: 
> Nomination statement:  this person as member of the Board of Directors>
>
> The updated calendar for the Board of Directors election is:
>
> * Nomination period: 2019-11-05 to 2019-11-16 (almost 2 weeks)
> * Campaign period: 2019-11-17 to 2019-11-22 (almost 1 week)
> * Vote for new Board members: 2019-11-23 to 2019-11-30 (1 week)
> * The results will be announced on 2019-12-01.
>
> All the information about the elections is available in the wiki [1].
> You can see the progress of the nominations on [2].
>
> Looking forward for your nominations!
>
> Warm regards,
> Jorge Gustavo Rocha and Anne Ghisla
> (your 2019 OSGeo Elections CROs)[3]
>
> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Election_2019
> [2] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Member_Nominations_2019
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Announcement: Call for Location global FOSS4G 2021

[María Arias de Reyna]

Hi Sergio,

Yes, there are two cities on play right now:
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2021_Bid_Process#Letter_of_Intent_Review

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 4:18 PM SERGIO ACOSTAYLARA <
sergio.acostayl...@mtop.gub.uy> wrote:

> Till, did you receive any proposal?
>
> Sergio Acosta y Lara
> Departamento de Geomática
> Dirección Nacional de Topografía
> Ministerio de Transporte y Obras Públicas
> URUGUAY
> (598)29157933 ints. 20329/20330
> http://geoportal.mtop.gub.uy/
>
> 
> De: Discuss  en nombre de Till Adams <
> till.ad...@fossgis.de>
> Enviado: viernes, 06 de setiembre de 2019 3:32
> Para: Conference Dev; OSGeo Discussions
> Asunto: [OSGeo-Discuss] Announcement: Call for Location global FOSS4G 2021
>
> Dear Community,
>
> just passed and survived the last FOSS4G in Bucharest, the community is
> looking forward for the next global FOSS4G conferences. We, OSGeo's
> Conference Committee, are happy to announce the call for location for the
>
> "Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial Conference 2021"
>
> to be held in "other regions". Precisely this means that the conference
> can be anywhere on the world, except Europe and North America. Only in
> case that we do not receive any appropriate bid from these parts of the
> world, we will consider to accept bids from Europe or North America.
>
> Summer holidays are over, no reason not to start your work, grab some
> people together, build a team, have fun and work out your bid! 2021 is
> right around the corner and be proud to get all the FOSS4G folks to your
> country, to your city, to your pub and introduce them to your local
> environment!
>
> Please find all details on [1] and more background information on [2].
> In case that you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask the
> conference committee or your barkeeper ;-)!
>
>
> Have fun!
>
> Till, on behalf of OSGeo's Conference committee
>
>
>
> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2021_Bid_Process
>
> [2] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Conference_Committee
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] How big is OSGeo?

[María Arias de Reyna]

On Sun, Sep 8, 2019 at 7:43 PM Jorge Sanz  wrote:

> Just for comparison as I happen to maintain three meetups for groups in
> Spain (kind of microchapters called Geoinquietos[1]), mailing list versus
> meetup is as follows:
>
> * Valencia: list 71; meetup: 729; telegram: 36
> * Seville: list 80; meetup: 899; whatsapp: 16
>

As a side note: this Sevilla whatsapp group is more organizational than
public due to the privacy problems whatsapp has. So that's not really the
number of people participating.


> * Madrid: list: 157; 887; telegram; 61
>
> Still, for me the absolute numbers are not that meaningful. Over the years
> we have seen a clear migration of the conversation from mailing lists to
> othe channels: stackoverflow, social media networks, meet up networks, chat
> rooms and such.
>
> Telegram, for example, is actually where these days most of the Spanish
> language OSGeo, Geoinquietos, and OSM conversations happen.
>
> Cheers!
>
> [1] http://geoinquietos.org/
>
>
>
> On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 at 13:37, Gert-Jan van der Weijden (GISNederland) <
> gert-...@gisnederland.nl> wrote:
>
>> Our Dutch OSGeo-Meetup group (https://www.meetup.com/OSGeoNL/)
>>  unites almost 400 people,
>> which is 3 about times as much as the "old-school" mailing list (
>> http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/OSGeo-Dutch-Discussions-f4574635.html
>> )
>>
>> But then again, a far as I can notice only Ottawa (125), Belgium (49),
>> Seattle (100) have OSGeo-Meetup groups, so perhaps the rest of the world
>> mainly holds on to the old channels..
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> gert-Jan
>>
>>
>> Op 6-9-2019 om 23:22 schreef Luigi Pirelli:
>>
>> IMHO not at all... using mailing list is an "old way" to manage a
>> community. Fortunally or Unfortunally, most of community is using chat
>> channels related with phone numbers (and/or not). I can't figure out if 33k
>> in a ML is ten times community in IRC types channels, but for sure is a
>> bigger community.
>>
>> Luigi Pirelli
>>
>>
>> **
>> * LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/luigipirelli
>> * Stackexchange: http://gis.stackexchange.com/users/19667/luigi-pirelli
>> * GitHub: https://github.com/luipir
>> * Book: Mastering QGIS3 - 3rd Edition
>> 
>> * Hire a team: http://www.qcooperative.net
>>
>> **
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 17:33, Jo Cook  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the responses- I was looking for a very loose figure for
>>> the community as a whole, so for my purposes the 33K unique
>>> subscribers to the mailing lists works well. The graphs of charter
>>> members per country from the OSGeo AGM slides are also really helpful.
>>> (Thanks Jorge Sanz).
>>>
>>> (FYI I'm not doing science with these figures, it's just some factoids
>>> for the purposes of a talk I'll be giving soon)
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Jo
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 4:03 PM Jürgen E. Fischer  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Jachym,
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, 06. Sep 2019 at 16:21:16 +0200, Jachym Cepicky wrote:
>>> > > https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/All_Members
>>> >
>>> > > https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/All_Members
>>> >
>>> > 1210 entries on https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Category:OSGeo_Member
>>> >
>>> > That's also where wiki's Main_Page points to.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Jürgen
>>> >
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Even Rouault receives the 2019 Sol Katz Award

[María Arias de Reyna]

This is a huge reminder that most of the time, people that are essential to
OSGeo are not the noisiest ones.

Big congratulations to Even! This had to happen sooner or later and it was
sooner than later :)

On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 8:26 PM Astrid Emde (OSGeo) 
wrote:

> Even Rouault was honoured with the 2019 Sol Katz Award, presented on 29
> August 2019, during the closing session of the FOSS4G event in
> Bucharest. This was the 15th year of the award.
>
> Even took over the title of "Mister GDAL" after Frank Warmerdam passed
> him the torch. GDAL is a cornerstone of many GIS software both open
> source and proprietary.
>
> He is an active contributor to GDAL, MapServer, PROJ, libgeotiff, GEOS,
> QGIS and many other projects.
>
> Even is a highly productive OSGeo contributor. Sol Katz is not about
> numbers, but Evens stats are quite impressive: over the last 5 years, he
> has over 10,000 commits to multiple OSGeo projects.
> (Ref: From 2014 to 2019: 10,900 commits to GDAL, 300 in MapServer, 400
> in QGIS, not counting his recent refactoring of PROJ6, and his
> contributions to other OSGeo projects)
>
> Even is a brilliant developer and also a really nice person. He cares
> about OSGeo as an organization, about the goals and the way OSGeo runs
> its activities.
>
> On behalf of the OSGeo communities we congratulate and thank Even for
> all of his contributions.
>
> See Video from FOSS4G 2019
> https://media.ccc.de/v/bucharest-481-awards-ceremony#t=1190
>
> Thank you Even, you deserve this.
>
> About the award
>
> The Sol Katz Award for Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial
> (FOSS4G) is awarded annually by OSGeo to individuals who have
> demonstrated leadership in the FOSS4G community. Recipients of the award
> have contributed significantly through their activities to advance open
> source ideals in the geospatial realm. The award acknowledges both the
> work of community members, and pay tribute to one of its founders, for
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Public money, public code campaign

[María Arias de Reyna]

Hi,

I think we can do both.

I mean: OSGeo should sign it (from my perspective) because it is
saying the same thing we say all the time: FLOSS is better :)

And at the same time, we can use the European Chapter to talk to the
FSF(E) if this is an european initiative to lobby and if we can join
forces. Or what is the purpose of this (I guess they are not going to
collect signatures and just wait for something to happen). Whatever
the FSFE has in mind, we are probably interested in it.

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 5:11 PM Jo Cook  wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Do we think this is something OSGeo should sign globally, or that
> individual chapters should decide to sign or not, as appropriate? I'm
> all for OSGeo signing it, as it's bigger (obviously) and would
> hopefully have more of an impact, but I guess others may have a
> different opinion...
>
> Jo
>
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 2:43 PM Margherita Di Leo  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jody,
> >
> > thank you, just added to the agenda. Indeed I think this aims at being a 
> > global initiative rather than limited to Europe only. I have seen 
> > signatures from countries all over the world, as well as support from 
> > international organizations based outside Europe. I  think that OSGeo 
> > should support this campaign to remark that supports the principle, as in 
> > this phase no political action is entailed. Local chapters as well should 
> > sign and, if any, take further political actions when the times come. In 
> > fact I have forwarded this also to the Italian local chapter and I invite 
> > all the community to do the same to your own local chapters.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 3:01 PM Jody Garnett  wrote:
> >>
> >> You are welcome to add it to the agenda to the the next board meeting 
> >> (edit wiki page Board_Meeting_2019-07-29) , however we try and leave 
> >> political influencing to local chapters - as it is more effective to have 
> >> a local voice when talking to politicians. This looks like exactly the 
> >> kind of initiative OSGeo Europe was formed to support :)
> >>
> >> Note despite the "eu" in the domain name the web page does not appear be 
> >> limited to Europe. When signing it immediately asks which country you are 
> >> from (no doubt to direct the support to the appropriate region).
> >> --
> >> Jody Garnett
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 at 05:21, Margherita Di Leo  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dear members of the OSGeo community,
> >>>
> >>> I haven't seen this circulating already in our mailing list, if I just 
> >>> missed it, apologies.
> >>> This is to draw your attention to the following campaign: 
> >>> https://publiccode.eu/
> >>> I really would like to see OSGeo among the supporters of the open letter. 
> >>> Like-minded organizations like FOSSGIS, OpenStreetMap, etc have already 
> >>> signed it.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>> Kind regards,
> >>>
> >>> --
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[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo AGM 2019 - FOSS4G Bucharest

[María Arias de Reyna]

Hello GeoFolks!

We are already editing the AGM slides for this year. All chapters,
projects and initiatives are invited to present on our annual meeting
their status updates, their plans for the future and their past
achievements. This is going to be one minute of fame and shine, don't
let it pass! It is important for all of us to know what is happening
everywhere. OSGeo is huge and this is the best way to get a summary of
all the amazing work we are doing!

The slides are here:
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1imiG7x09ry7lGvmS15FCVq2Z7yaICY00fcpXBK27TXY/edit?usp=sharing
If you want to edit it and still don't have privileges to do so,
please let me know and tell me which team you represent so I can give
you privileges.

The rule is KISS[0]: We all have to fit in the time slot of the
closing plenary session[1], so make sure you use only one (or two)
slides per team. Be quick and fair. I will be moderating and I am
going to be very strict: those who exceed their time assigned will
walk the plank[2] out of the scenario. I won't make exceptions because
that means that the latest groups will have less time (or no time) to
shine. If I have to cut a phrase in half, don't doubt it, I will.

We won't know how much time each team will have until we know how many
teams are going to present. But considering previous years, in
average, you will have 45 seconds, including the time to enter
scenario and moving out. This means: every speaker has to be already
on the back of the scenario while the previous presenter is talking.
Don't wait for any moderator to introduce you, just start talking when
the previous speaker is done. You only have one minute for everything
you are going to do on the scenario. If you are not on the scenario
when your time starts, you may not be able to present.

I will contact each group in the following days to make sure everyone
is aware, but don't wait for me to start assembling a team to work on
this!

Some examples of good slides:
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1imiG7x09ry7lGvmS15FCVq2Z7yaICY00fcpXBK27TXY/edit?ts=5d3686f8#slide=id.g403f0344e9_1_0
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1imiG7x09ry7lGvmS15FCVq2Z7yaICY00fcpXBK27TXY/edit?ts=5d3686f8#slide=id.g3ffe66376c_16_0
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1imiG7x09ry7lGvmS15FCVq2Z7yaICY00fcpXBK27TXY/edit?ts=5d3686f8#slide=id.g599757ec6b_0_8

Have a nice day!
María Arias de Reyna, President of OSGeo.


[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle
[1] https://2019.foss4g.org/schedule/full-schedule/
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walking_the_plank
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Announcement: OSGeo selected as an umbrella organisation for GSoC 2019

[María Arias de Reyna]

Congratulations to all members involved!

This is a huge effort and a very nice one. I am very happy to see it going
forward and growing every year :D

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 11:17 PM Helmut Kudrnovsky  wrote:

> Dear OSGeo community,
>
> we’re pleased to announce that OSGeo has been selected as an umbrella
> organisation for Google Summer of Code (GSoC) 2019.
>
> @Mentors: In the coming days, we admins will be inviting the mentors that
> have filled the form [1]. If you want to be a mentor and haven’t filled the
> form yet, please do it *ASAP*.
>
> @All members of the community: be prepared and responsive in the coming
> days to welcome students and answer their inquiries. From Google admins:
> “Students who engage with their organization early (and often) are more
> likely to be accepted and then succeed. We encourage you to get to know the
> students and help them get to know you! Please continue to flesh out your
> ideas lists and documentation over the next few weeks.”
>
> Please, forward this email to your developer and community mailing list.
>
> @Students:
> According to the official timeline [2], student application period will be
> March 25, 2019 - April 9, 2019.
>
> For your convenience, this year you can also download the proposal
> template from [3]. After filling the template and detailing the proposal,
> it must be submitted following the guidelines given by Google.
>
> Remember to submit your proposal well in advance, so that you can make the
> most out of the feedback from mentors and the community at large and refine
> your proposal until final deadline. Read the application instructions here
> [4]. The same page contains all the info you need before taking action,
> read it all carefully! Good luck everyone!
>
> We admins will be available as always at ,
> however, consider using public channels if the topic is not sensitive, i.e.
> soc mailing list [5]
>
> We are looking forward to working with you towards another awesome edition
> of GSoC!
>
> Kind regards
> OSGeo GSoC admins
>
> About GSoC
>
> GSoC [6] is a global program by Google aiming at bringing new developers
> to open source organizations. OSGeo’s participation as an umbrella
> organization dates back to 2007 edition. Curious to know more? Browse our
> wiki pages [7].
>
>
> [1] https://goo.gl/forms/jMvPl7ns2NG1BL6Q2
> [2] https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/how-it-works/#timeline
> [3] https://github.com/OSGeo/gsoc/blob/master/proposal_template.md
> [4]
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_Recommendations_for_Students#Application_instructions
> [5] https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/soc
> [6] https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/
> [7] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Category:Google_Summer_of_Code
>
>
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>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] osgeo budget 2019

[María Arias de Reyna]

On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 7:52 PM Jody Garnett  wrote:
>
> Gotten a couple folks asking for an update, the budget has indeed passed:
>
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Budget_2019
>
> The vast majority of budget request have been met as requested, with the 
> board scaling back some of its own activities, and combing events and code 
> sprints to make this happen.
>
> For the details on how to work with your budget we have some draft being 
> assembled here (TLDR: OSGeo trusts you, work with your committee officer, 
> officer contacts the treasurer as needed).
>
> If you have questions please reply to this email thread, or contact a board 
> member for clarification.
> --
> Jody Garnett

Hi,

Just wanted to add, for your information, that the budget this year is
substantially higher than in previous years. This is due to having
increased economic capacity and wanting to try the approach of getting
to projects and committees think of what can they do with their
budgets. For some projects this is the first year they request some
budget and that's wonderful.

In my opinion, we should encourage the use of OSGeo as an economic
backup, seed or push to make our software go further. So keep in mind
during the whole year all the things your projects and events are not
doing and how can OSGeo help you for 2020. Does your project not
organize specific codesprints because economic fear or incapacity? Is
it because you don't know where to start? We can help.

As usual, if anything comes up during the year, the budget can be
amended. But this means the board having to go through some
bureaucratic process both for transparency and for making sure we are
being fair with the rest of teams. And this micro-management makes the
whole process slow. So, please, PSC of all projects: try to compile
all requests before ending next year so when the Board comes to you
again after the elections, we can have a more complete budget.

Thanks you all for your collaboration, if we do everything that has
been budgeted, this is going to be an outstanding year for all of us!
Can't wait to see the results :)

María.
"La Presidenta"
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Marketing] OSGeo symbols set

[María Arias de Reyna]

As I understand it, this kind of greyish styles are used when you want to
show the full list but don't want people to get distracted with each and
every icon. But I'm not a designer expert.

On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 2:05 AM Vicky Vergara  wrote:

> I still dont understand why does pgRouting logo and many others have to
> lose the colors.
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 8:03 AM nicolas bozon 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have updated the OSGeo symbols set according to your feedbacks.
>>
>> Updated Preview:
>> https://nbozon.github.io/OSGeo/symbols-set/
>>
>> Updated material:
>>
>> https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/pull/206/commits/d4cf2ebc76e3429953980a38dd047d3003a7
>>
>>
>> Basic changelog:
>>
>> - Removed every symbols considered as non-compliant to our brand
>> guidelines
>> - Removed the Get-It project logo which is not a community project at all
>> - Corrected PostGIS and PgRouting elephant logos (so a bit less scalable
>> now)
>> - Corrected mapfish and pywps logos (added missing text)
>> - Renamed live to osgeolive
>>
>> As nothing that may considered as non compliant to our guidelines
>> remains, and that the first batch of community feedbacks have been taken
>> into account, may i suggest that the OSGeo symbols set could now be pulled
>> into the branding repo ?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any comment
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Le mer. 21 nov. 2018 à 00:30, Jody Garnett  a
>> écrit :
>>
>>> Hi Jody,
>>>

 Thank you for your constructive feedbacks.

 I am a bit confused on this one - part of the point of having our mark
> was to use it everywhere on all the OSGeo things.
>
 Our mark is our beloved compass, and these variations on the compass
 are meant to represent all the OSGeo things :)

>>>
>>>
  I get your point here, but i think these symbols could be great to
 help differenciate the many facets of OSGeo.
 Imagine a new comer that could for example identify each of our
 activity very clearly. I think that symbols might help him to
 understand the foundation and find his way, with always the compass
 shape in mind of course :)

>>>
>>> I understand, and indeed I assumed we would go with the sub brand
>>> approach myself. As such I am not the best person to do the pros/cons
>>> between the ideas :)
>>>
>>> This is a case where I love your work, and want to double check our
>>> strategy.
>>>
>>> The style guide is here:
>>> https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/tree/master/marketing/branding
>>>
>>> The summary has:
>>>
>>> *Logos are as provided for OSGeo and sub-brands (all of which include
 the unalterned OSGeo mark). Distinct brands (such as GeoForAll and OSGeo
 Live) maintain their own mark.*
 *While logos have been produced with Miriam Libre Bold and Sintony
 Regular the resulting shapes have been reduced to outlines for use on
 systems that do not have the correct fonts available. A template has been
 provided for the generation of additional sub-brand logos.*
>>>
>>>
>>> aside: We really need this converted to html for our website.
>>>
>>> You are right, and i think Boundless did a great elephant design on the
 old OpenGeo Suite, so i got inspired :)
 Slonik is a lovely but very detailed SVG, so difficult to integrate in
 such a symbol set. That's why i decided to use a simpler one.
 I will try to modify it before the PostGIS folks complain :)

>>>
>>> Chance for collaboration rather than complaints, I think everyone can
>>> see the design limitation.
>>>
>>> Our OSGeo compass outline does not "quite" work, since there is not much
>>> room for the project identify inside. I think we had sub branding as a
>>> priority we would of done it a little bit different.
>>>
>>>
 - get-it just added themselves to the website wrong and have not yet
> asked to be a community project? I am trying to confirm now ...
>

 Whoa, my bad, sorry ! i didn't know one could become a Community
 Project so easily :)

>>>
>>> We like projects to ask, the code and project is reviewed on the
>>> incubation list, etc..
>>>
>>>
 Yes, please confirm with the Incubation Committee about their
 application. I see you already removed it from the website so i will remove
 it from the set.

>>>
>>> Yeah I may of messed up there, trying to figure it out.
>>>

 - Loader is being added (it is approved but still has a draft web page)
>

 Good point, will plan to integrate the Loader logo, but i can't find it
 by now :(

>>>
>>> To be honest I do not think they have a logo.
>>>

 - GC2/Vidi was just added yesterday
>

 Yes, and the Mapcentia logo is already in the set. I understand both
 GC2 and Vidi use the same logotype right ?

>>>
>>> Yeah and that is the logo of the company so ... not the best logo for
>>> the project? Actually if you wanted to stop by the incubation list we could
>>> talk to the projects 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Changes (and proposed changes) regarding the Code of Conduct

[María Arias de Reyna]

On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 11:31 PM Ben Caradoc-Davies 
wrote:

> On 12/12/2018 23:08, Jonathan Moules wrote:
> > Personally I'm not a fan of the Covenant; it has big subjective
> > loopholes and components that be used to retroactively change the rules.
>
> My biggest problem with the Covenant is that it places responsibility
> for enforcement on project maintainers who did not realise that they
> might have to do this, may not have the skills, resources, or support
> required, and may be exposed to legal liability. If we adopt the
> Covenant, I think that enforcement should led by OSGeo officers who are
> trained, supported, and insured.
>

Completely agree. This should be a CoC assembled for OSGeo in general. If
some event or project want to have their own CoC and team, that's fine, but
let's make OSGeo take care of those projects that can't or don't want to
take care of this.


>
> The Covenant is not AFAIK a covenant in the legal sense. If we use it,
> we can withdraw if it is changed in a way we do not like. It is CC BY so
> we can use it as the basis for a customised CoC, which we would then
> have to maintain.
>

Beauty of freedom :)


>
> Kind regards,
>
> --
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> Director
> Transient Software Limited 
> New Zealand
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Changes (and proposed changes) regarding the Code of Conduct

[María Arias de Reyna]

gt;
> Personally I'm not a fan of the Covenant; it has big subjective
> loopholes and components that be used to retroactively change the rules.
>
> @Maria - a concern with having this conversation on the CoC list is that
> that's a self-selecting group and there's a non-zero chance it can end
> up as an echo chamber. How many of the folks who have put forth an
> opinion in this thread on /discuss are also on /CoC for instance?
>
> Cheers,
> Jonathan
>
>
> On 2018-12-12 01:32, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:
> > Rather than guilty until proven innocent, I think the covenant
> > proposes a neutral and evidence-based approach. Mandating good faith
> > as a starting point unfortunately enables bullies who provoke a
> > response and then hide behind "X can't take a joke" or other
> > minimisation to further harm their victim. I have not seen this in
> > OSGeo but I have seen it in several cases elsewhere and I hope we will
> > all be sufficiently alert to prevent it. I think that a proportionate
> > and sensitive response will encourage consideration of the feelings of
> > others without harming our collegial atmosphere.
> >
> > As another cross-cultural example, several of our members have given
> > names that are masculine in Italian but feminine in English, resulting
> > in their occasional misgendering on mailing lists and pull requests.
> > While I found this amusing and assumed that it was unintentional, I
> > also knew that some might find such misgendering insulting or hurtful
> > and in any case it was not a good precedent, so I took the time to
> > gently point out the mistake in private (IIRC). In each case, the
> > mistake was not repeated. We can all take little actions that
> > contribute to a welcoming environment.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Ben.
> >
> > On 11/12/2018 13:44, Jonathan Moules wrote:
> >> Hi Maria,
> >>
> >> Just a thought, but I'm not sure getting rid of the assumption of
> >> good faith is a good idea. To do so would be basically assuming
> >> people are guilty until proven innocent which runs counter to how
> >> these things should work.
> >>
> >> To use a personal anecdote, many years ago I had a black flatmate who
> >> I was joking around with and I made a comment that it turns out is a
> >> negative racial epithet. Being young and unworldly, I didn't know
> >> that at the time and certainly didn't mean it in that context, it
> >> also has a perfectly innocent context - the only one I'd ever been
> >> exposed to - which is how I was using it.
> >>
> >> Now, reading your thebias.com link, I can see that the author there
> >> would suggest I be pilloried for what was an honest mistake. They'd
> >> say I was being "careless" or "ignorant" and stepping on their toes.
> >> But I don't think either is fair because it's not reasonable to
> >> expect people to know everything that could offend everyone,
> >> especially somewhere as multicultural as the internet.
> >>
> >> For example, consider this symbol: a simple thumbs-up emoticon
> >> that's commonly used to signify "it's all good" and "thanks". Well,
> >> it turns out that it's "an obscene insult" in some cultures! I didn't
> >> know that until a few seconds ago when I went searching for a simple
> >> example.
> >>
> >> I have learnt over the years from experiences in both directions that
> >> it's best to always assume good faith if possible. Humans may be the
> >> species with the most complex communication on the planet, but that
> >> doesn't mean we don't fail often.
> >>
> >> @Ben - Thanks for sharing World Human Rights day. I'm a long time fan
> >> of the UNDHR!
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Jonathan
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2018-12-09 12:49, María Arias de Reyna wrote:
> >>> Dear OSGeo community,
> >>>
> >>> As you may already know, I have been working for the last months in
> >>> improving our community procedures[1] to make it a safer space.
> >>> Recent events in the community have shown that we have a lot of work
> >>> ahead.
> >>>
> >>> We all, as OSGeo, must remove the recent bullying and campaigning
> >>> mentality that is unfortunately gradually become a part of our
> >>> culture. Disclosing private data or hinting threats is not helpful
> >>> and can only make our community less comfortable for everyone. We
> >>&g

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Regarding Instagram Page for OSGeo

[María Arias de Reyna]

Hi Sunveer,

I think you should ask the Marketing Committee

On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 3:27 PM Sunveer Singh 
wrote:

> sorry I forgot to include link: https://www.instagram.com/osgeofoundation/
> Thank You
> Sunveer
> https://sunveersingh.github.io/
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 7:56 PM Sunveer Singh 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am Sunveer, high school student from India, Open Source Developer.
>> Google Code-in 2017 Grand Prize Winner with OSGeo and Google Code-in 2018
>> student(Results are still to be declared for this year). I am contributing
>> to OSGeo projects such as GRASS GIS, PostGIS, MapServer, gvSIG, istSOS etc.
>> I have solved various tickets, issues and submitted patched and created
>> unit tests for GRASS GIS modules.
>>
>> I am really active on social media like Instagram, and I found that OSGeo
>> is not there. So I created a OSGeo account, can I do this? I mean posting
>> about OSGeo's stuff. I can surely cover the outreach GSoC and GCI, some
>> follow up from twitter too. And If anything wanted to be there, anyone can
>> ping me up and I will do it. So, can I do this?
>>
>> Thank You
>> Sunveer
>> https://sunveersingh.github.io/
>>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Changes (and proposed changes) regarding the Code of Conduct

[María Arias de Reyna]

Hi,

I think it is better if we discuss this on the COC-discuss mailing list,
just to avoid adding noise to the main discuss. My initial email, as you
can see, was directed to both mailing lists and the idea of redirecting it
to discuss was to make people aware that this was being done, not to start
a discussion here.

I have a long answer for this, once I have some free time to write it
properly down (this evening? tomorrow?) I will redirect it to the
coc-discuss. TL;DR: one thing is to be rude due to cultural or lost in
translation issues and another thing is to harrass someone. Going back to
Sara's case: the assume good intent is what prevented us to do anything
further as the discussed emails have two readings: harrasment or sincere
worry about her job situation.

On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 2:17 AM Daniel Morissette 
wrote:

> I agree with Jonathan here. I also have my own similar personal story
> from ~20 years ago where I used a French expression as the opening line
> in an email where all the rest was in English... and some of the
> recipients (co-workers) could very rightly have been offended. Actually
> some wondered if I might have been mad at them, but instead of jumping
> the gun, they asked me directly, I explained the meaning of the French
> expression and why I used it in this context, they explained that there
> was a corresponding slang word... that day they learned a new French
> expression and I learned a new word of English slang. I was not being
> careless, I simply had no way to know at the time that there was a
> corresponding English slang word that could have been offending, because
> I am not a native English speaker.
>
> We all had a good laugh in the end, but if it was not for their
> assumption of good faith this could have turned into a huge mess.
>
> I realize that not everybody will agree and I am not planning to enter
> this CoC debate... I just wanted to relay an experience.
>
> Stepping out of this thread now.
>
> Daniel
>
>
>
> On 2018-12-10 7:44 p.m., Jonathan Moules wrote:
> > Hi Maria,
> >
> > Just a thought, but I'm not sure getting rid of the assumption of good
> > faith is a good idea. To do so would be basically assuming people are
> > guilty until proven innocent which runs counter to how these things
> > should work.
> >
> > To use a personal anecdote, many years ago I had a black flatmate who I
> > was joking around with and I made a comment that it turns out is a
> > negative racial epithet. Being young and unworldly, I didn't know that
> > at the time and certainly didn't mean it in that context, it also has a
> > perfectly innocent context - the only one I'd ever been exposed to -
> > which is how I was using it.
> >
> > Now, reading your thebias.com link, I can see that the author there
> > would suggest I be pilloried for what was an honest mistake. They'd say
> > I was being "careless" or "ignorant" and stepping on their toes. But I
> > don't think either is fair because it's not reasonable to expect people
> > to know everything that could offend everyone, especially somewhere as
> > multicultural as the internet.
> >
> > For example, consider this symbol: a simple thumbs-up emoticon that's
> > commonly used to signify "it's all good" and "thanks". Well, it turns
> > out that it's "an obscene insult" in some cultures! I didn't know that
> > until a few seconds ago when I went searching for a simple example.
> >
> > I have learnt over the years from experiences in both directions that
> > it's best to always assume good faith if possible. Humans may be the
> > species with the most complex communication on the planet, but that
> > doesn't mean we don't fail often.
> >
> > @Ben - Thanks for sharing World Human Rights day. I'm a long time fan of
> > the UNDHR!
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jonathan
> >
> >
> > On 2018-12-09 12:49, María Arias de Reyna wrote:
> >> Dear OSGeo community,
> >>
> >> As you may already know, I have been working for the last months in
> >> improving our community procedures[1] to make it a safer space. Recent
> >> events in the community have shown that we have a lot of work ahead.
> >>
> >> We all, as OSGeo, must remove the recent bullying and campaigning
> >> mentality that is unfortunately gradually become a part of our
> >> culture. Disclosing private data or hinting threats is not helpful and
> >> can only make our community less comfortable for everyone. We will
> >> work on improving actions on harmful behavior.
> >>
> >> This has been a slow task, but there are so

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct... followup to avoid lobbies

[María Arias de Reyna]

Hi,

I think that more than in the CoC, that should be on the member nomination.
And yes, it makes sense. Can you propose a change on the membership
procedure so the board can vote on this? We have some phrase about taking
over OSGeo, maybe we can rephrase that.

Although it is also true that people I know better and I can nominate with
more arguments are usually people I work with. Either if it is working on
the community or in a company, that's just usually a coincidence. But if
they are good enough, I can suggest external people to nominate them, sure.

On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 10:04 AM Luigi Pirelli  wrote:

> I can't find a rule (in code of conduct) or election rules about charter
> member nomination...
>
> I wouldn't like to see nomination of a member from another member
> belonging to the same company. It could be a mechanism to create lobbies.
>
> any opinion?
>
> Luigi Pirelli
>
>
> **
> * LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/luigipirelli
> * Stackexchange: http://gis.stackexchange.com/users/19667/luigi-pirelli
> * GitHub: https://github.com/luipir
> * Mastering QGIS 2nd Edition:
> *
> https://www.packtpub.com/big-data-and-business-intelligence/mastering-qgis-second-edition
> * Hire me: http://goo.gl/BYRQKg
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Changes (and proposed changes) regarding the Code of Conduct

[María Arias de Reyna]

ice matter.
>
> Thanks again, María. In my view, CoC enforcement is the dirtiest job in
> the open source community, and I commend you for your efforts.
>
> Happy Human Rights Day! Celebrating the 70th anniversary of the adoption
> of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights on 10 December 1948:
> <https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/>
>
> Kind regards,
> Ben.
>
> On 10/12/2018 01:49, María Arias de Reyna wrote:
> > Dear OSGeo community,
> >
> > As you may already know, I have been working for the last months in
> > improving our community procedures[1] to make it a safer space. Recent
> > events in the community have shown that we have a lot of work ahead.
> >
> > We all, as OSGeo, must remove the recent bullying and campaigning
> mentality
> > that is unfortunately gradually become a part of our culture. Disclosing
> > private data or hinting threats is not helpful and can only make our
> > community less comfortable for everyone. We will work on improving
> actions
> > on harmful behavior.
> >
> > This has been a slow task, but there are some actions taking place:
> >
> > CoC committee members have become inactive. I volunteered to pick up the
> > task and lead a new CoC committee. Right now I am the only CoC member,
> but
> > I am looking for more volunteers. If only, to make sure that if I am
> > involved in any CoC incident, someone else can take care of it properly
> as
> > mediator.
> >
> > I want to change also the way incidents and violations of the CoC are
> > reported. I noticed there are reports being done on person and on private
> > email, but never through the official channels (which right now is a
> > mailing list).To improve this, I will ask the SAC to replace the mailing
> > list with an alias and a form on the website. Also, there will be a
> public
> > list of who receives those emails so people reporting incidents will
> have a
> > clear understanding of who is receiving the information and decide to
> > contact privately only a subset of the team. Replacing the mailing list
> by
> > an alias that sends the data directly to the inbox of the CoC team is
> > important, as sometimes incidents are not reported just because the
> person
> > reporting is scared to leave a trace of the report or is not sure who
> will
> > be reading the report.
> >
> > Another action I am going to propose is a change on the CoC itself. Our
> > community has grown a lot both in diversity and in numbers, and we need a
> > strict code of conduct that makes sure marginalized or harrased people is
> > always covered by it. We can't rely anymore on just common sense and good
> > faith.
> >
> > Once the new board is settled, I am going to propose to change the
> current
> > CoC for another like the Contributor Covenant[2]. As it is a CoC shared
> by
> > many communities, this has the advantage of receiving the upgrades and
> > experience from other communities. As you can see, it fixes some of the
> > bugs from our CoC, like the assuming good intent and good faith[3] part
> > that made the current CoC useless on most cases. I will propose to add
> some
> > foreword to adapt to specifities for our community, but in my opinion,
> the
> > latest version of the Contributor Covenant is easy to read, simple, and
> > cover most of what we need. My hope is that this new CoC can be adapted
> to
> > all OSGeo Projects and Events that don't already have a CoC, so we have
> > full OSGeo universe covered by default.
> >
> > I hope this actions will prove useful in the medium term and we don't
> have
> > to see more members leaving the community. We should remember to be
> > empathic and kind. We are all seeking the same goals and we should
> > encourage cooperation, not hinder each other. I know that developer
> > communities are very used to these bad behaviours, but I'm confident we
> can
> > grow better.
> >
> > Have a nice day!
> > María.
> >
> >
> > [1] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2018-August/011640.html
> > [2] https://www.contributor-covenant.org/
> > [3]
> >
> https://thebias.com/2017/09/26/how-good-intent-undermines-diversity-and-inclusion/
> >
> >
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Changes (and proposed changes) regarding the Code of Conduct

[María Arias de Reyna]

Dear OSGeo community,

As you may already know, I have been working for the last months in
improving our community procedures[1] to make it a safer space. Recent
events in the community have shown that we have a lot of work ahead.

We all, as OSGeo, must remove the recent bullying and campaigning mentality
that is unfortunately gradually become a part of our culture. Disclosing
private data or hinting threats is not helpful and can only make our
community less comfortable for everyone. We will work on improving actions
on harmful behavior.

This has been a slow task, but there are some actions taking place:

CoC committee members have become inactive. I volunteered to pick up the
task and lead a new CoC committee. Right now I am the only CoC member, but
I am looking for more volunteers. If only, to make sure that if I am
involved in any CoC incident, someone else can take care of it properly as
mediator.

I want to change also the way incidents and violations of the CoC are
reported. I noticed there are reports being done on person and on private
email, but never through the official channels (which right now is a
mailing list).To improve this, I will ask the SAC to replace the mailing
list with an alias and a form on the website. Also, there will be a public
list of who receives those emails so people reporting incidents will have a
clear understanding of who is receiving the information and decide to
contact privately only a subset of the team. Replacing the mailing list by
an alias that sends the data directly to the inbox of the CoC team is
important, as sometimes incidents are not reported just because the person
reporting is scared to leave a trace of the report or is not sure who will
be reading the report.

Another action I am going to propose is a change on the CoC itself. Our
community has grown a lot both in diversity and in numbers, and we need a
strict code of conduct that makes sure marginalized or harrased people is
always covered by it. We can't rely anymore on just common sense and good
faith.

Once the new board is settled, I am going to propose to change the current
CoC for another like the Contributor Covenant[2]. As it is a CoC shared by
many communities, this has the advantage of receiving the upgrades and
experience from other communities. As you can see, it fixes some of the
bugs from our CoC, like the assuming good intent and good faith[3] part
that made the current CoC useless on most cases. I will propose to add some
foreword to adapt to specifities for our community, but in my opinion, the
latest version of the Contributor Covenant is easy to read, simple, and
cover most of what we need. My hope is that this new CoC can be adapted to
all OSGeo Projects and Events that don't already have a CoC, so we have
full OSGeo universe covered by default.

I hope this actions will prove useful in the medium term and we don't have
to see more members leaving the community. We should remember to be
empathic and kind. We are all seeking the same goals and we should
encourage cooperation, not hinder each other. I know that developer
communities are very used to these bad behaviours, but I'm confident we can
grow better.

Have a nice day!
María.


[1] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2018-August/011640.html
[2] https://www.contributor-covenant.org/
[3]
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Fwd: How to retire membership status?

[María Arias de Reyna]

Dear Maxi,

Things are being done to prevent this kind of situations in the future. I
was waiting for this past foss4g asia to talk to the community there and
have a more global perspective (I have now comments from almost every
continent, missing Oceania, but their conference approach fits with mine).
Things are slow because all my calls for volunteers to improve have not
been successful and I wanted to have more cultural views before changing
anything.

Let me recover from jet lag and rest a bit and I will go back with more
info about my proposal.

As I already said in other threads about this issue, with current CoC there
is not much that we can do and although I'm very sad to see Sara leave, I
hope we can improve the community and get her back someday.

El vie., 7 dic. 2018 9:27, Massimiliano Cannata <
massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch> escribió:

> Dear Astrid,
> I think that this request of withdraw together with the public accuses it
> expresses cannot be simply resolved with a wiki page modification.
>
> This call the OSGeo code of conduct committee and the board in its highest
> function of guarantor of the community to address the accuses and take
> public position with an official communication.
>
> Whether the accuses are true or not I believe this situation is negatively
> impacting our community brand and trust.
>
> This fact cannot pass over silence anymore and therefore I publicly call
> the board to urgently express and take a position on this.
>
> Let's see if this mail worth a response...
>
> Regards
> Maxi
>
> Il giorno ven 7 dic 2018, 07:56 Astrid Emde (OSGeo) 
> ha scritto:
>
>> Hello Sara,
>>
>> thanls for your email and sorry, that it took a while to work on your
>> request.
>>
>> You are now listed as retired OSGeo Charter Member at
>>
>> https://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/
>>
>> I also edited your User page in the wiki and deleted Charter member:
>>
>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Sarasafavi
>>
>> If you would like to change more content on your charter member page you
>> can do so.
>>
>> All the best Astrid
>>
>> ---
>>
>>
>> -
>> Astrid Emde
>> OSGeo Board Member and OSGeo Secretary
>> Open Source Geospatial Foundation
>> https://www.osgeo.org/member/astrid-emde/
>> astrid_e...@osgeo.org
>>
>> Am 04.12.2018 16:54 schrieb Sara:
>> > Board elections have come & gone and so I'm revisiting this request:
>> > please change my Charter membership status to "retired".
>> >
>> > Astrid - I've been told you have the ability to modify any relevant
>> > "master lists". If this isn't true please feel free to forward this to
>> > the right person.
>> >
>> > Vicky - similarly, I understand you have the ability to edit the web
>> > content at www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/ [1]. If that's not
>> > correct either, please feel free to forward as needed.
>> >
>> > cc'd board@lists to help facilitate the request.
>> >
>> > -- Forwarded message -
>> > From: SARA 
>> > Date: Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:00 PM
>> > Subject: How to retire membership status?
>> > To: OSGeo Discussions 
>> >
>> > Hello community,
>> >
>> > Can someone point me at the relevant documentation re: retiring
>> > current membership status? Specifically, related to Charter
>> > membership.
>> >
>> > I understand the processes to nominate & add new charter members but
>> > not clear on how current charter members can retire.
>> >
>> > To put it another way: how to edit
>> > https://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/ [2]?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Sara Safavi
>> >
>> > Links:
>> > --
>> > [1] http://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/
>> > [2] https://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Kudos to the CRO, Board, Members and OSGeo in general

[María Arias de Reyna]

Thank you! It means a lot that you say this.

I want to thank the CRO team and the SAC too, they have been very efficient
:)

On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 12:20 PM Arnulf Christl <
arnulf.chri...@metaspatial.net> wrote:

> This is just a big Thank-You and Well-Done to the CRO, current Board,
> new nominees, SAC and whoever else may have been involved in setting up
> this year's election.
>
> Having been a CRO earlier in the life of OSGeo myself and knowing how
> much work this involves I can just bow to the amazing job all of you
> did. The future of OSGeo looks bright with such a great team, members
> and nominees!
>
>
> Thank you All!
>
> Seven
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Hall of Fame

[María Arias de Reyna]

But the advocate list is written by ourselves. Great people tend to be
humble about their successes. I was thinking more like a Wikipedia. (Maybe
Wikipedia itself?)

El dom., 18 nov. 2018 22:29, Cameron Shorter 
escribió:

> We almost have a Hall of Fame in place already, crossing from the present
> into the past, with what used to be our OSGeo Advocate List:
>
> This is what it used to look like:
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20150302070905/https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Advocate#Advocates
>
> Before one of the website upgrades, it used to be available at:
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Advocate
> On 15/11/18 1:53 am, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
>
> This is an excellent idea.
> Our history is part of who we are.
>
> Best,
> Angelos
>
> On 11/14/18 9:20 AM, María Arias de Reyna wrote:
>
> Dear community,
>
> Due to the recent passing of another of our members, I really think we
> should start some kind of Hall of Fame with people who contribute to OSGeo.
> As someone who hasn't been here from the beginning, I would like to have
> some kind of (virtual) museum-like place where I can learn about our
> history. Sometimes I hear names of people all the "old" members remember
> but as they are no longer with us (sometimes just because they retired,
> sometimes because they passed away) and I only get pieces of who they were
> and what they did. I am very fond of conserving history, I think it is very
> important to learn where we come from to understand where we are now.
>
> What do you think? Would there be volunteers to fill data if we setup
> something like this on the website? We need senior members here filling the
> gaps.
>
>
>
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>
> --
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> Charter Member
> Open Source Geospatial Foundationhttp://users.ntua.gr/tzotsos
>
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Hall of Fame

[María Arias de Reyna]

Dear community,

Due to the recent passing of another of our members, I really think we
should start some kind of Hall of Fame with people who contribute to OSGeo.
As someone who hasn't been here from the beginning, I would like to have
some kind of (virtual) museum-like place where I can learn about our
history. Sometimes I hear names of people all the "old" members remember
but as they are no longer with us (sometimes just because they retired,
sometimes because they passed away) and I only get pieces of who they were
and what they did. I am very fond of conserving history, I think it is very
important to learn where we come from to understand where we are now.

What do you think? Would there be volunteers to fill data if we setup
something like this on the website? We need senior members here filling the
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Board Elections: OSGeo needs you now!

[María Arias de Reyna]

Dear fellow members,

We are on the process of electing board members for the next two years.
This is the moment when you can leave a good footprint on OSGeo.

Is there something you think we should do better? Is there something you
think we can improve? Is there something you want to make sure doesn't fall
into oblivion? This is the best way to do it. Get involved on the board and
make sure things go as they should. As OSGeo member, you should have some
expectations, why don't you make sure yourself that they are fulfilled?

Also, elections are not fun if we don't have a pool of candidates to choose
from.

Have a happy day,
María.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: OSGeo Board nomination: Angelos Tzotsos

[María Arias de Reyna]

Seconding Angelos too. Reliable and tough, he deserves to be on the board.

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 12:17 PM Sandro Santilli  wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 06, 2018 at 11:26:04PM +0200, Vasile Craciunescu wrote:
> > Forwarding nomination of Angelos Tzotsos by Astrid Emde. The Board
> > Nominations page has been updated:
> > https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Member_Nominations_2018
>
> Seconding Angelos nomination. He's very active on welcoming
> new OSGeo users looking for a mantra :)
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: OSGeo Board nomination for Michael Smith

[María Arias de Reyna]

I warmly second Michael. The treasury of OSGeo would be a nightmare without
him.

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 9:46 AM Luigi Pirelli  wrote:

> I second Michael, I met him in Brighton but more deep knowledge come from
> his tutorial and presentations produced to support PDAL use. Tnx Michael.
>
> Luigi Pirelli
>
>
> **
> * LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/luigipirelli
> * Stackexchange: http://gis.stackexchange.com/users/19667/luigi-pirelli
> * GitHub: https://github.com/luipir
> * Mastering QGIS 2nd Edition:
> *
> https://www.packtpub.com/big-data-and-business-intelligence/mastering-qgis-second-edition
> * Hire me: http://goo.gl/BYRQKg
>
> **
>
>
> On Fri, 2 Nov 2018 at 07:08, Vasile Craciunescu 
> wrote:
>
>> Forwarding nomination of Michael Smith by Daniel Morissette. The Board
>> Nominations page has been updated:
>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Member_Nominations_2018
>>
>>
>> Vasile, Vicky & Jorge
>> CRO 2018 Elections
>>
>>
>>  Forwarded Message 
>> Subject: OSGeo Board nomination for Michael Smith
>> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2018 00:17:41 -0400
>> From: Daniel Morissette 
>> To: OSGeo CRO , Michael Smith <
>> michael.smith.e...@gmail.com>
>>
>> Dear CRO,
>>
>> I would like to nominate Michael Smith for the OSGeo Board election.
>>
>> Mike works for the US Army Corps of Engineers Remote Sensing GIS Center
>> of Expertise and has been a long time power user, supporter and
>> contributor of MapServer, GDAL/OGR, PDAL and other OSGeo projects. He is
>> a member of the MapServer and PDAL project PSC's and was actually one of
>> the instigators behind the PDAL project, the GDAL of Point Clouds. He is
>> also a FOSS4G regular and has not missed one since the 2003 MapServer
>> Users Meeting AFAIK.
>>
>> Mike has been active on the OSGeo Board since 2014 as treasurer. The
>> great job that he does behind the scene as treasurer doesn't get noticed
>> publicly by the members, but it includes several tasks and
>> responsibilities which are instrumental to keeping OSGeo running smoothly.
>>
>> In addition to his experience within OSGeo projects and its community,
>> he also brings to the board the perspective of government organizations,
>> which is a very important group of users and contributors of OSGeo
>> software.
>>
>> Plus, the voice of reason that he brings to the day to day operation of
>> the board is also of great value.
>>
>> All this makes him a perfect candidate to continue serving on the board.
>>
>>
>> Daniel
>> --
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>> Mapgears Inc
>> T: +1 418-696-5056 #201
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Invitation to participate in the 2018 OSGeo Charter Member elections

[María Arias de Reyna]

Hi,

Surprisingly I prefer this year's procedure. All information is there at
the moment of voting on the links and there hasn't been all the noise from
other years that distract from what we really want to know: who they are
and what they do.

El sáb., 20 oct. 2018 2:29, Jody Garnett  escribió:

> Experimenting I found the survey monkey has links to the nominations on
> that page.
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
>
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 at 15:58, Luigi Pirelli  wrote:
>
>> Exactly, I had to check CV of some persons to vote or avoid to vote
>> them... I noticed som corporative persons and other with lack of CV for a
>> decent nomination, but probably because I missed their introductions.
>>
>>
>> Luigi Pirelli
>>
>>
>> **
>> * LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/luigipirelli
>> * Stackexchange: http://gis.stackexchange.com/users/19667/luigi-pirelli
>> * GitHub: https://github.com/luipir
>> * Mastering QGIS 2nd Edition:
>> *
>> https://www.packtpub.com/big-data-and-business-intelligence/mastering-qgis-second-edition
>> * Hire me: http://goo.gl/BYRQKg
>>
>> **
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 at 00:29, Bruce Bannerman <
>> bruce.bannerman.os...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am also concerned at the lack of information and discussion that took
>>> place this year.
>>>
>>> I do not recall seeing anything through the Discuss lists and was not
>>> aware of the Wiki page listed below. Hence my votes were limited
>>> accordingly.
>>>
>>> At the least, it would have been useful to have the wiki page URL
>>> included in the survey.
>>>
>>> While I would not have nominated anyone this year, it would have been
>>> useful to have a more prominent call for nominations. Given the number of
>>> nominees on the wiki, there was obviously some process in place that I have
>>> missed.
>>>
>>> Please take this as constructive criticism for next year.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Bruce
>>>
>>> > On 20 Oct 2018, at 07:22, Michael Smith 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Cameron,
>>> >
>>> > Do you mean https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/New_Member_Nominations_2018?
>>> >
>>> > Mike
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Michael Smith
>>> > OSGeo Foundation Treasurer
>>> > treasu...@osgeo.org
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -Original Message-
>>> > From: Discuss  on behalf of Cameron
>>> Shorter 
>>> > Date: Friday, October 19, 2018 at  4:09 PM
>>> > To: OSGeo CRO , OSGeo Discussions <
>>> discuss@lists.osgeo.org>
>>> > Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Invitation to participate in the 2018
>>> OSGeo Charter Member elections
>>> >
>>> >Vasile, Vicky, Jorge,
>>> >
>>> >I can't seem to find a list of nominations for new charter members
>>> which
>>> >descriptions about why they have been nominated. I've used such a
>>> list
>>> >in the past to assess whether I'd vote for someone or not.
>>> >
>>> >I suggest publishing on this page
>>> >https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Election_2018, and if not too late,
>>> adding
>>> >to the Limesurvey page.
>>> >
>>> >Cheers, Cameron
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>On 19/10/18 7:42 pm, OSGeo CRO wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Dear
>>> >>
>>> >> Cameron,
>>> >>
>>> >> As an existing OSGeo Charter Member, you have been invited to
>>> >> participate in the 2018 Charter Member elections.
>>> >>
>>> >> To participate, please click on the link below.
>>> >>
>>> >> Sincerely,
>>> >> Vasile, Vicky & Jorge
>>> >>
>>> >> CRO 2018
>>> >>
>>> >> 
>>> >
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>>> >Technology Demystifier
>>> >Open Technologies and Geospatial Consultant
>>> >
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G TGP experiences

[María Arias de Reyna]

Thanks Steven,

It is very important to understand *why* TGP is important. Why we do
what we do. It is not charity. It is not throwing money to feel
better. It is not spending money for washing bad behavior.*

The intent is to grow and improve our community with more and more
people that, otherwise, will not be able to attend. It is enriching
our community with active people.

If only a fifth of this year's TGP participants continue working on
OSGeo and grow the community on their area in the following years, I
would be really happy and I would feel it was a good investment.

* I haven't seen this feeling in our community, but I have seen this
"colonial" thinking on other communities and it made me feel really
disgusted. So I wanted to patch before seeing the wound, just in case
:)

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 9:38 AM Steven Feldman  wrote:
>
> Jody pointed out that I posted this article in the wrong section of the web 
> site, so I have shifted (and extended it) to 
> https://www.osgeo.org/foundation-news/foss4g-travel-grant-recipients-share-their-experiences-of-foss4g-2018/
>
> Cheers
> __
> Steven
>
>
> On 25 Sep 2018, at 19:19, Steven Feldman  wrote:
>
> Here is a blog post summarising some of our TGP recipients experiences 
> https://www.osgeo.org/foss4g-travel-grant-experiences/
>
> Cheers
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>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Java 11 code sprint taking shape for October 22-26th

[María Arias de Reyna]

Hi,

I have a tentative proposal from the local Java developer group here
in Sevilla to host and participate with volunteers on the codesprint
for GeoNetwork (which is where I can help most). Not sure how well
this will go, as most of them has no GIS experience, but I'm excited!

On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 9:58 AM Torsten Friebe  wrote:
>
> Hi Jody,
>
> thanks for setting up this code sprint. For the deegree project this
> is very important too. Besides getting deegree ready for Java 11+ we
> are also facing the issue that deegree code has dependencies to
> Oracle's JAI and other outdated libraries.
> I will share this with the deegree Developer mailing list and
> hopefully we can join the code sprint.
>
> Cheers
> Torsten
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Diversity in FOSS4G

[María Arias de Reyna]

I understand it is difficult to see your own privileges and biases[1].
That's why I always prefer that a PoC talks about racism instead of
me. But I can still talk about inequality regarding women. Remember
that 90% of said here applies to all PoC. And that WoC suffer this
from both sides.

So I'm going to take a couple of steps back and start again, to see if
you can see the flaw. Sorry for not having the best bibliography, but
I have a weak connection here so I have to rely on things I have
already offline. But I am sure you will be capable of following the
lead and find better sources.

Those researchers have the prejudice that a country that has better
indexes regarding gender equality means there should be more women
studying STEM because nothing stops them to do so. So they call it a
paradox that "the more equal a country is, the fewer women go into
STEM". But the thing is, if they have researched a bit more (even just
asking the women of the study why they don't follow a STEM career!!)
they wouldn't call it a paradox, but something natural coming from
other causes.

In Europe, the percentage of women studying Science is increasing,
while percentage of women studying Technology is decreasing, according
to Eurostat[it was a bunch of links with data from different years,
just use the search engine from Eurostat]. That's one of the reasons
why talking about STEM is already a first bias because you are mixing
stuff. But many authors do this, so let's just skip it.

In Tech, women are leaving studies and the industry at higher rate
than men[2]. Which means, we have even less women working in our
industry than the real percentage of women that would like to work in
our industry. This unfriendly environment causes a lack of successful
happy role models that could encourage other girls to enter the field
too.[3] Role models are even more important to girls than to boys
because of the Otherness[4]. By default, everything is male.

So, first loop that explains the "paradox".

But even then, why are there fewer female college students in STEM?
Because, as all the links I posted previously already explained,
society pushes you out of STEM [5] [6]. Only stubborn woman like me
get far and it is just a matter of time to get burned because of this
unfriendly environment.

And there's more variables that influences why women are not into STEM
in supposedly "more egalitarian countries", but I don't think I should
extend more here. I am more than happy to have a BoF session about
diversity in next FOSS4G to extend the subject. Or in any other FOSS4G
I can attend.

So yes, that study is highly biased. In just a couple of paragraphs I
dig deeper than they did on their study about why that "paradox". And
yes, even the peer reviews were unable to see something so obvious.
Maybe because they are biased too[1]? Probably. I am not saying they
are evil on purpose or anything. I'm just saying their study is very
superficial. Just crunching a lot of data from one side and trying to
explain a multi-variable outcome with that.

To summarize: what can we do from OSGeo? Provide a welcoming friendly
environment, encourage those that are already on their path and
provide enough role models for all diverse groups. That's what I am
going to fight for. And as this is a global organization, until our
global demography statistics match the world statistics, we will be
doing something wrong.


[1] https://www.ted.com/talks/paul_piff_does_money_make_you_mean
[2] http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0019793915594597
[3] https://thesocietypages.org/trot/2017/02/22/the-role-of-female-role-models/
[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_(philosophy)
[5] https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11199-011-0051-0
[6] http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0038040714547770
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Diversity in FOSS4G

[María Arias de Reyna]

El dom., 12 ago. 2018 11:58, Jonathan Moules 
escribió:

>  >  No, this is not a dismissal based on opinions. It is based on facts.
> This paper falls into the "correlation does not imply causation"
> fallacy:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation
>
> You will find it is rarely the case that a peer-reviewed scientific
> paper in what is one of the most influential journals in its field
> (Psychology in this case) can be dismissed so readily.
>
> I suspect you have not read it. Given it's behind a paywall, the entire
> paper is available via sci-hub:
> https://sci-hub.mu/10.1177/0956797617741719
>
> As you can see if you read it, it only states the correlation, there is
> no causation. Indeed, it too like you, I, and most folks expected
> different results, that's why they called it the
> "educational-gender-equality paradox". It's a paradox - it's doing the
> opposite of what is expected - it's quite literally in the title of the
> paper.
>
> The core of the paper:
>
> "One of the main findings of this study is that, para-
> doxically, countries with lower levels of gender equality
> had relatively more women among STEM graduates than
> did more gender-equal countries. This is a paradox,
> because gender-equal countries are those that give girls
> and women more educational and empowerment oppor-
> tunities and that generally promote girls’ and women’s
> engagement in STEM fields (e.g., Williams & Ceci, 2015)."
>
> They do try and take a guess as to what the reason is for this
> (causation), but they make it clear it's just a guess (a "suggestion" as
> it's phrased). That doesn't change the core correltation of the paper:
> that given more education and empowerment, women choose against STEM.
>
> Or put even more simply: given equal opportunity, it appears men and
> women preferentially choose different careers.
>

That's the thing: they jump into that conclusion with biased prejudices.
Right now, we don't have equal opportunity anywhere in the world. Not
women, not PoC. You are proving me right, they are biased!



>  > You can aim for 37%, I will still aim for 50%
>
> I don't have any aim at all in this beyond 100% of people having equal
> opportunity to choose whatever career they wish, and I believe FOSS4G
> and OSGeo should have a similar aim. Anything else will be a dis-service
> to people of both genders.
>
>
> On 2018-08-12 10:14, María Arias de Reyna wrote:
> > On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 11:34 PM, Jonathan Moules
> >  wrote:
> >>> Let me tell you something: having legal rights doesn't mean you have
> >>> equal opportunities. Those studies are falling into the wrong
> >>> conclusions probably because bias of the researchers.
> >>
> >> Apologies, but that's a general dismissal of a peer-reviewed scientific
> >> paper, seemingly because you don't like the result. That's not how
> science
> >> works. If there is a problem with the paper (and most papers have a few
> >> quirks) I would suggest the correct way to refute it is to start by
> pointing
> >> out the methodological and/or statistical flaws, not dismissing it out
> of
> >> hand. If done thoroughly enough you can probably get a subsequent paper
> >> published via peer-review with some other experts in the field that
> refutes
> >> it which is usually good for career prospects.
> >> Like you I would have expected more women to choose STEM given the
> >> opportunity, but apparently they do the opposite and so I've updated my
> >> world-view accordingly to fit the facts. As the saying goes: You're
> welcome
> >> to your own opinions, but facts are facts.
> >>
> > No, this is not a dismissal based on opinions. It is based on facts.
> > This paper falls into the "correlation does not imply causation"
> > fallacy:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation
> >
> > The first and second waves of feminism focused on legal. And we
> > advanced a lot. But still, this "forces of society" has been detected
> > and studied since "The Second Sex" of Simone de Beauvoir. There was
> > this general feeling (the same bias the researches of the studies fall
> > into) that when you change legality, society will follow happily. But,
> > as we can see (and study), this is not what happens.
> >
> > And we should have known it: the same happened when racism was removed
> > from law country after country: it was not removed from society.
> > Society follows more slowly, if it follows. Seriously, you should at
> > le

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Diversity in FOSS4G

[María Arias de Reyna]

On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 11:13 AM, Peter Baumann
 wrote:
> +1 for every word in Jonathan's excellently worded message. Science at its 
> heart
> is open (!) to any and all provable insights (and even conjectures expressed,
> and all of that may be disproven of course), which works only if not driven by
> dogmas wiping out unwanted results upfront as "wrong conclusions probably
> because bias of the researchers".
>
> -Peter
>

I'm starting to wonder if you at least tried to open my links. You got
a biased research result and hold onto that not wanting to see that
evidence points in another direction. That's not what open science is.

>
>
> On 11.08.2018 23:34, Jonathan Moules wrote:
>>> Let me tell you something: having legal rights doesn't mean you have
>>> equal opportunities. Those studies are falling into the wrong
>>> conclusions probably because bias of the researchers.
>>
>> Apologies, but that's a general dismissal of a peer-reviewed scientific 
>> paper,
>> seemingly because you don't like the result. That's not how science works. If
>> there is a problem with the paper (and most papers have a few quirks) I would
>> suggest the correct way to refute it is to start by pointing out the
>> methodological and/or statistical flaws, not dismissing it out of hand. If
>> done thoroughly enough you can probably get a subsequent paper published via
>> peer-review with some other experts in the field that refutes it which is
>> usually good for career prospects.
>> Like you I would have expected more women to choose STEM given the
>> opportunity, but apparently they do the opposite and so I've updated my
>> world-view accordingly to fit the facts. As the saying goes: You're welcome 
>> to
>> your own opinions, but facts are facts.
>>
>> Anyway, we're heading off-topic. I was originally simply pointing out that 
>> Dar
>> doesn't have gender diversity in the keynotes either (a point I maintain), 
>> and
>> I question the unfounded assertion that 50% females in the
>> industry/speakers/etc is something that is feasible given the research on
>> female career preferences. I'll leave it at that.
>> Cheers,
>> Jonathan
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On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 11:34 PM, Jonathan Moules
 wrote:
>> Let me tell you something: having legal rights doesn't mean you have
>> equal opportunities. Those studies are falling into the wrong
>> conclusions probably because bias of the researchers.
>
>
> Apologies, but that's a general dismissal of a peer-reviewed scientific
> paper, seemingly because you don't like the result. That's not how science
> works. If there is a problem with the paper (and most papers have a few
> quirks) I would suggest the correct way to refute it is to start by pointing
> out the methodological and/or statistical flaws, not dismissing it out of
> hand. If done thoroughly enough you can probably get a subsequent paper
> published via peer-review with some other experts in the field that refutes
> it which is usually good for career prospects.
> Like you I would have expected more women to choose STEM given the
> opportunity, but apparently they do the opposite and so I've updated my
> world-view accordingly to fit the facts. As the saying goes: You're welcome
> to your own opinions, but facts are facts.
>

No, this is not a dismissal based on opinions. It is based on facts.
This paper falls into the "correlation does not imply causation"
fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

The first and second waves of feminism focused on legal. And we
advanced a lot. But still, this "forces of society" has been detected
and studied since "The Second Sex" of Simone de Beauvoir. There was
this general feeling (the same bias the researches of the studies fall
into) that when you change legality, society will follow happily. But,
as we can see (and study), this is not what happens.

And we should have known it: the same happened when racism was removed
from law country after country: it was not removed from society.
Society follows more slowly, if it follows. Seriously, you should at
least watch the video of Neil.

That's why third/fourth? wave of feminism (depends on how you count
them) are focusing on behavior of society and acceptance.

> Anyway, we're heading off-topic. I was originally simply pointing out that
> Dar doesn't have gender diversity in the keynotes either (a point I
> maintain), and I question the unfounded assertion that 50% females in the
> industry/speakers/etc is something that is feasible given the research on
> female career preferences. I'll leave it at that.
> Cheers,
> Jonathan

You can aim for 37%, I will still aim for 50%. And this is not a
change that only OSGeo has to do, but we should push from different
perspectives to get something really done. As said, this is a
long-distance race, and by that I mean: I doubt my generation will
have equal opportunity ever, no matter how hard and how far we get. I
am aiming for the next generation.
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On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 10:36 PM, Jonathan Moules
 wrote:
>> This is a common mistake. If you aim for the already declining percentage
>> of women, you will not get far. You have to aim for the percentage of
>> population. The fact that only 37% of our industry is female is itself a
>> problem we have to address.
>
> ...
>
>> But going back to the topic of this thread, until we have half of the
>> developers/speakers/users being woman, we have a problem.
>
>
> I agree it's a common mistake, but I suspect I'm referring to a different
> mistake. Equality is about equal opportunity. It's not about forcing equal
> statistically representative numbers of people of various diversity types
> into all industries equally. Everyone should have the opportunity to do
> whatever they want.
>

That's the thing, we don't.

I guess you haven't seen the video. Unfortunately I don't have a good
internet connection here to look for more bibliography, but I can
point you easily to Neil, who can explain it again to you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5S7QD9dryI

> But rather than assertions, lets look at what science says on the matter.
> Which set of countries has more gender equality in STEM (Science,
> Technology, Engineering and Mathematics) - GIS falls under the T and some of
> the S:
> Finland, Norway (Countries that address most of the issues in your linked
> US-focused Forbes article)
> or
> Tunisia, United Arab Emirates?
>
> Chances are you picked wrong. It turns out that in countries with poor
> human/women's rights records (UAE, Tunisia) there are more females in STEM,
> and in countries where there is more gender equality (i.e. the
> Scandinavians), the women choose not to go into STEM.
>
> For discussion see:
> https://researchtheheadlines.org/2018/04/20/the-stem-gender-equality-paradox-from-fallacies-to-facts/
> - and the actual paper:
> http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0956797617741719
>
> It's great that you chose GIS, but given the choice, the research indicates
> that most women chose something other than STEM if they live in a
> progressive country, most likely psychology, education, and healthcare, all
> of which are generally dominated by women. Given this, to me at least,
> trying to force a perfect 50/50 gender balance would thus seem to be doing a
> dis-service to people of both genders; it's not equality of opportunity even
> if it does achieve perfect diversity.


Let me tell you something: having legal rights doesn't mean you have
equal opportunities. Those studies are falling into the wrong
conclusions probably because bias of the researchers. Do you really
thing a woman can choose freely to study STEM in so called advanced
countries? Because I live in one of the most feminist/advanced
countries in the world regarding gender and... no, we don't have equal
opportunity. We are very far from that. Society push us outside tech.
Please, watch the video of Neil, he explains it perfectly.

In fact, the best stories are the ones told by trans, because they
have experienced both sides of what society forces you to be. And how
they are treated is completely different. And all of them agree: women
and men are treated completely different and while being a man can be
difficult, being a woman is far more difficult. For example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrYx7HaUlMY I think there are better
videos, but this is the one I have in hand.

This is not a matter of forcing anything, it is a matter of really
having an equal field. Which, unfortunately, we don't have right now.
And same happens with PoC. And it is worst if you are WoC. We have a
lot to conquer here before we can really say we have equal
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[María Arias de Reyna]

On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 2:43 PM, Jonathan Moules
 wrote:
>>  Once we have a 50% of speakers that are women (even 40%), we can start
>> saying that having a full keynoter line of women speakers is no diversity.
>
> At the risk of asking a question that I know isn't meant to be asked - why
> 50%? Or "even 40%"? Surely the % should be around the same as the percentage
> of the workforce that engage in the field? This survey indicates it's about
> 37% globally so 40% would be reasonable -
> https://www.gislounge.com/gender-gis-workforce/
> (Why the rate is 37% globally is an entirely different kettle of fish).
>

This is a common mistake. If you aim for the already declining
percentage of women, you will not get far. You have to aim for the
percentage of population. The fact that only 37% of our industry is
female is itself a problem we have to address.

The lack of role models (speakers? women in the mailing lists? women
in developer leading roles?) and specially the lack of a friendly
environment for women at work is a problem in most tech related
industries:
https://code.likeagirl.io/women-are-leaving-tech-and-management-is-responsible-a6187a4d5d81
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/02/28/why-women-leave-the-tech-industry-at-a-45-higher-rate-than-men/

Not my best talk (blame jet lag), but this can give you more
perspective: https://vimeo.com/241597584

And this also applies to racial diversity. If the global foss4g is
mostly white... we have a problem.

But going back to the topic of this thread, until we have half of the
developers/speakers/users being woman, we have a problem. And the
longer we ignore it, the worse it gets.
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On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Jonathan Moules
 wrote:
> Glass-half-full observation: In a topic talking about the FOSS4G Asia
> diversity, no-one has commented on the commendable range of racial diversity
> in those keynotes.
>
> As to gender in keynotes, a Devils Advocate would point out there is no
> gender diversity in the 2018 Dar es Salaam keynote speakers either (assuming
> the four on the 2018.foss4g.org front page) - they're also all the same
> gender. Except that given the gender disparity in this field, it seems
> reasonable to me to conclude that Dar have probably done this intentionally
> whereas Asia's seems statistically plausible without even needing to factor
> in unconscious biases.

Once we have a 50% of speakers that are women (even 40%), we can start
saying that having a full keynoter line of women speakers is no
diversity. Up till then, having all women as keynoters is not a
diversity issue, but an effort to try to promote gender diversity and
balance with the rest of speakers. Or... maybe the keynoters were good
on their own? Beware of thinking that chosen woman speakers are there
only because of quotas.

That's why I said we still have to check about percentages considering
the full program. But as a starter, having a full male line of
speakers is not a good sign. Statistics is only an excuse. I can
understand that this can be something the organization didn't have in
mind and, as they are volunteers, they have limited effort to spend on
the organization of the conference and gender diversity was not on
their priorities. As said, it is a subject difficult to approach and
it is no good to try to fix it in a rush because you may end up doing
more harm than you expected.

For me, saying you are only seeing the glass half full is like saying
"we have done enough, don't press more". While I think we should press
much more! We already know the conference is going to have a lot of
outstanding talks, the discussion here is where is the visibility for
woman. I don't think any of us is demeaning the speakers lineup, we
are just pointing to a real current problem we (all) have.

> And what of diversity of age? I'm fairly confident in guessing that the Asia
> keynotes are all 40s-50s. I'm less confident guessing Dar's, but I'd say in
> their 20's to 30's.

I agree that age diversity is another concern. And also having always
the same "token" person talking. The classy "haha, I found a woman or
a poc that gives good talks, let's put her everywhere!". Nope.

But still, age diversity is something that gives everyone equal trait
at some point because everyone reaches the "good" range of ages at
some point of their lives. So, even if it is something we can improve,
it is a problem way behind of the gender diversity problem, where some
people just don't have an oportunity ever.

> Definition (from the OED):
> Diverse (Adj), "Showing a great deal of variety; very different."
>
> By that definition, neither have gender diversity, both have racial
> diversity (Asia's more-so), and both have little age diversity.

So this means we are doing very good in racial diversity this year,
but falling behind on gender diversity on regional events. Let's see
if we can keep up on racial diversity next year for the main
conference and improve gender diversity in regional events? As said,
this is a long-distance race. It is not very helpful if we have a good
racial diversity this year but forget about them in the following
years.

Also, good time to remind amazing work of TGP for bringing economic
diversity to FOSS4G (which is another huge concern).

>
> Cheers,
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> On 2018-08-09 10:43, María Arias de Reyna wrote:
>
> I agree this is a good topic to bring into the open, and not an easy
> one. For what I have seen, FOSS4G Asia organization is doing a good
> job, this is just a hard subject to address. Even if that keynote
> lineup was full of women (like in main FOSS4G!) we still have to check
> about the rest of speakers and the attendees. But you are right,
> adding at least one woman keynoter can make a difference.
>
> For those of you who may be reading this and need some context, this
> is a long-distance race, not a sprint. Reaching outside your comfort
> zone networks (usually mostly male contacts in the case of male
> developers) to get more women speakers is not something you can do on
> a blink. Specially if the organizers didn't have the problem in mind
> when the organization started. We usually say that if you start
> worrying about diversity after you choose the venue, you are already
> too late.
>
> I will be in FOSS4G Asia and I hope to get in contact with the
> organization to know about their idiosyncrasy, their worries and their
> challenges. Trying to help from here is difficult, as my 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Diversity in FOSS4G

[María Arias de Reyna]

I agree this is a good topic to bring into the open, and not an easy
one. For what I have seen, FOSS4G Asia organization is doing a good
job, this is just a hard subject to address. Even if that keynote
lineup was full of women (like in main FOSS4G!) we still have to check
about the rest of speakers and the attendees. But you are right,
adding at least one woman keynoter can make a difference.

For those of you who may be reading this and need some context, this
is a long-distance race, not a sprint. Reaching outside your comfort
zone networks (usually mostly male contacts in the case of male
developers) to get more women speakers is not something you can do on
a blink. Specially if the organizers didn't have the problem in mind
when the organization started. We usually say that if you start
worrying about diversity after you choose the venue, you are already
too late.

I will be in FOSS4G Asia and I hope to get in contact with the
organization to know about their idiosyncrasy, their worries and their
challenges. Trying to help from here is difficult, as my networks are
mostly european and american. But still, we can work together in
strategies and how to improve diversity. I am going to give a talk
with Malena on Tanzania about general strategies and how to work on
improving diversity and my plan is to write down later whatever comes
from that conversation so we have some guidelines or good practices
that any OSGeo event can use.

Maybe it is time we renew the woman@osgeo mailing list to join forces?

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 12:25 AM, Jody Garnett  wrote:
> Hey Mark, good on you for voicing publicly. Our ability to discuss openly is
> a strength of our community, and one we are learning to use responsibly. I
> saw your tweet yesterday, but find the discussion list more useful for
> internal discussion such as this.
>
> It is a hard balance between requesting or encouraging changes we want to
> see vs expressing dissapointment in the activities of others. This is
> especially important in a volunteer organization such as ours where
> disappointment however kindly expressed can hit really moral hard
> (especially as volunteers are pulling an event together).
>
> I have been on both sides of this balance and it is never comfortable, as
> you express in your struggle above. Ideally, I seek to offer my time if I am
> in position to be of assistance and if the assistance is welcome.  If not in
> a position to help I seek to learn or look for an opportunity for feedback.
>
> I learned a lot as your foss4g event planning has unfolded and your
> challenges, priorities and direction became clear.
>
> It is my hope that we will learn what challenges the foss4g-asia event is
> facing and what we as an organization can do to assist.
>
> If you have been following the board meetings the Sri Lanka chapter is just
> being officially recognized (and the membership shows some diversity). OSGeo
> has also set aside funding for our president to attend the foss4g-asia
> event.
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
>
> On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 at 14:53, Mark Iliffe  wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I’ve really agonised over whether to send this email. First of which,
>> being the imminent final preparations for FOSS4G taking up a lot of time,
>> but also whether it’s appropriate for me in my role of chair of FOOS4G to
>> offer public critique of regional events. It is in this vein that I’d like
>> to really stress that I’m writing this as an OSSGeo charter member.
>>
>> When I first saw this, my heart sank:
>> http://www.foss4g-asia.org/2018/keynotes/
>>
>> Where is the gender diversity in the line up? I know that organising a
>> FOSS4G is really difficult, but we need to be reaching far and wide and that
>> starts with our keynotes. Potentially I’m missing something here - and I
>> probably am, if so I am sorry if this is the case! - but can we have a
>> rethink of the line up to really represent our community?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Mark
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[OSGeo-Discuss] GeoChicas take Tanzania! Women event for welcoming FOSS4G

[María Arias de Reyna]

Dear women attending incoming FOSS4G,

Join us to meet other women attending FOSS4G + HOT Summit who are
interested in closing the gender gap and working towards diversity in
our communities.

GeoChicas started gathering more than 2 years ago in the State of the
Map events and are excited to participate in FOSS4G in Tanzania. This
is a great opportunity to continue establishing a global women’s
network in the Open Data and Open Source communities. We want to meet
you and hear about your projects! Don't be shy and come to say hi the
26th of August in the evening.

Please, book your seat so we know how many we are and we can plan
ahead: bit.ly/geochicastaketanzania

Between 7-9 pm is a women* only event. After 9pm everyone is welcome
* Whoever perceive herself as woman

See you in Tanzania!
María.

Btw: the woman mailing list is gone, right?
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Geo4All] Draft of Open Letter on the importance to protecting independent peer review frameworks for Scholarly publications of Scientific Associations

[María Arias de Reyna]

Dear Peter,

Thanks for the explanation, I'm a software engineer and I know very well
how the process work. SQL is indeed a good example of a good standard
almost everyone follows. But I would bet that's an exception in software.

I raised the intended bugs thing because in recent years it had been very
common to find intended "bugs" in proprietary licensed software to steal
data or open ports to monitor usage. You never know how that will affect
your tests. When you use software that you don't know what is doing in the
background, you can't be really sure what the result will be.

Kind regards,
Maria.


El sáb., 28 jul. 2018 19:48, Peter Baumann 
escribió:

> Dear Maria,
> On 25.07.2018 10:06, María Arias de Reyna wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Peter Baumann <
> p.baum...@jacobs-university.de> wrote:
>
>> Hi Christian,
>>
>>
>> while I could not agree more to what you say there is one point to
>> disagree with:
>>
>> On 24.07.2018 18:43, Christian Willmes wrote:
>>
>> Dear Suchith,
>>
>> I understand your point, and I also support your views on this, but this
>> is from my perspective a too personal/particular issue, as to have it as an
>> "OSGeo open letter". Also, because this is more of an ICA and not so much
>> an OSGeo issue, I think.
>>
>> First, I would keep it more general. You address a particular issue (UN
>> SDG book published by esri), and also some personal background (this should
>> not matter to the addressed subject). I would recommend you keep it from
>> being personal and denouncing proprietary GIS vendors. If a company plays
>> by the rules of science, there is nothing wrong about that company
>> publishing a scientific book. I.e. almost all book publishers are
>> commercial companies with interests somehow and somewhere.
>>
>> You need to “attack” scientific “wrong doing” by that particular company
>> in conducting the editing and publication of that book. Publishing books if
>> done correctly is not wrong, even by a vendor with vested interests. But if
>> you witness, for example, that submissions using open source GIS solutions
>> are disadvantaged against the submissions using products of the proprietary
>> GIS vendor publishing the book, that would be the point to raise and attack.
>>
>> Second, better write about how it should be done to avoid this negative
>> “Fake Science” things from happening. Here the idea of Open Science and
>> Reproducible Science is key, i.e. the most openness and transparency
>> possible. We just need more transparency in science and also in the whole
>> process of editing/reviewing and publishing a book. And this is where OSGeo
>> can contribute. Basically, real reproducible and open science is not
>> possible without open source software. If you can’t see how something is
>> implemented, you can not really reproduce the results.
>>
>>
>> No. Open science and open source software are fundamentally different
>> things. For example, if you derive stats from some data set via SQL it does
>> not matter whether it comes from open-source PostgreSQL or from proprietary
>> Oracle. Because the SQL language in its syntax and semantics is
>> standardized, and it is assured thereby that both systems will deliver the
>> same results. So standards actually are a prerequisite for science to be
>> comparable, but surely not open source.
>>
>
>
> If you use proprietary products and can't verify that the result is not
> due to a bug (even an intended bug ), you are missing an important step on
> verifiability. Open Source (as in "I can see the code") is an important
> piece of open science.
>
>
> that's not what software engineers would do normally. If you feel a tool
> has a bug you'd
> - try to isolate through a minimal failing example
> - possibly try with another tool (in the case of PostgreSQL, maybe try
> MariaDB) for verification
> - definitely contact the support list (in the case of PostgreSQL, Regina &
> friends)
>
> Unless it is some simple scripting issue you (that is: I) normally don't
> stand a chance to dive into the code. Honestly, would we / could we spot a
> bug in the source code for executing an index-only plan of a distributed
> SQL query, after heuristic and cost-based optimizers have done their work?
> I could not.
>
> Good software engineering practice is to work specification-based, not by
> trying to hack yourself into code.
>
> And both of that _can_ work well with both open-source and proprietary
> tools. Again, SQL is the shining example: a good specification says it all.
>
> BTW, why do 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Geo4All] Draft of Open Letter on the importance to protecting independent peer review frameworks for Scholarly publications of Scientific Associations

[María Arias de Reyna]

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Peter Baumann <
p.baum...@jacobs-university.de> wrote:

> Hi Christian,
>
>
> while I could not agree more to what you say there is one point to
> disagree with:
>
> On 24.07.2018 18:43, Christian Willmes wrote:
>
> Dear Suchith,
>
> I understand your point, and I also support your views on this, but this
> is from my perspective a too personal/particular issue, as to have it as an
> "OSGeo open letter". Also, because this is more of an ICA and not so much
> an OSGeo issue, I think.
>
> First, I would keep it more general. You address a particular issue (UN
> SDG book published by esri), and also some personal background (this should
> not matter to the addressed subject). I would recommend you keep it from
> being personal and denouncing proprietary GIS vendors. If a company plays
> by the rules of science, there is nothing wrong about that company
> publishing a scientific book. I.e. almost all book publishers are
> commercial companies with interests somehow and somewhere.
>
> You need to “attack” scientific “wrong doing” by that particular company
> in conducting the editing and publication of that book. Publishing books if
> done correctly is not wrong, even by a vendor with vested interests. But if
> you witness, for example, that submissions using open source GIS solutions
> are disadvantaged against the submissions using products of the proprietary
> GIS vendor publishing the book, that would be the point to raise and attack.
>
> Second, better write about how it should be done to avoid this negative
> “Fake Science” things from happening. Here the idea of Open Science and
> Reproducible Science is key, i.e. the most openness and transparency
> possible. We just need more transparency in science and also in the whole
> process of editing/reviewing and publishing a book. And this is where OSGeo
> can contribute. Basically, real reproducible and open science is not
> possible without open source software. If you can’t see how something is
> implemented, you can not really reproduce the results.
>
>
> No. Open science and open source software are fundamentally different
> things. For example, if you derive stats from some data set via SQL it does
> not matter whether it comes from open-source PostgreSQL or from proprietary
> Oracle. Because the SQL language in its syntax and semantics is
> standardized, and it is assured thereby that both systems will deliver the
> same results. So standards actually are a prerequisite for science to be
> comparable, but surely not open source.
>


If you use proprietary products and can't verify that the result is not due
to a bug (even an intended bug ), you are missing an important step on
verifiability. Open Source (as in "I can see the code") is an important
piece of open science.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Draft of Open Letter on the importance to protecting independent peer review frameworks for Scholarly publications of Scientific Associations

[María Arias de Reyna]

Hi,

I can't agree more with you :)

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 11:53 AM, Suchith Anand <
suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> Dear colleagues,
>
>
>
> I have prepared a draft letter with my ideas/suggestions .I am just a
> volunteer and I feel sad that  that I have to raise this issue through an
> open letter.  But if I remain silent on this , I will be indirectly
> supporting the degrading of  independent peer review frameworks  for
> Scholarly publications of Scientific Associations.
>
>
> It is the fundamental duty of all Officers of Scientific
> Associations/Organisations  to always take steps to guard and protect
> independent peer review frameworks  for Scholarly publications of
> Scientific Associations. I am hopeful and confident that that they all will
> do this for the future.
>
>
> I am not a native English speaker, so please help refine this  letter
> correctly. I want us to look at the future not focus on mistakes made in
> past . Some mistakes have been made and I understand that this is
> corrected. We are all human , so we all make mistakes  . So let us not
> focus on past mistakes but look at ideas on how we can strengthen the
> independent peer review frameworks  for Scholarly publications of
> Scientific Associations in the future.
>
>
> The International Cartographic Association (ICA) is my organisation for
> which  I have volunteered for the last 15 years and continuing . I have
> great respect for everyone in this great global community . The SDG book is
> a community effort (not any individual’s book project) . I have requested
> from the start (as soon as I came to know) for openness and transparency in
> decision making for selecting the publisher. esp. as this book is on UN SDG
> . I understand that ICA has now corrected the mistake . Everyone makes
> mistakes and it takes courage to acknowledge and correct the mistakes
> .Compassion and forgiveness are important values .  I am very grateful
> that ICA has listened to my concerns and rectified this . So I don’t have
> any issues with ICA or any colleagues in ICA. We might have difference in
> opinions on some issues and having free and open discussions is in my
> humble opinion the best way to learn each others perspectives and find best
> solutions to move forward.
>
>
>
> Please send any updates/modifications needed to the draft by 30th July
> 2018. I am on family holidays ( with no internet ) in first week of August,
> so I will aim to send this before I go on holidays.
>
>
>
> ===
>
>
>
> *Draft of Open Letter on the importance to protecting independent peer
> review frameworks  **for Scholarly publications of Scientific
> Associations*
>
>
> Scholarly publications (edited books, journals etc) from scientific
> associations/organisations has  credibility and reputation because of
> strong independent peer review frameworks . We are very fortunate in the
> Geospatial domain to have many reputed Scientific Associations and
> organisations (ICA, IGU, ISPRS, IEEE-GRSS, IAG etc) who have over many
> decades provided strong leadership in advancement of geo science.
>
>
> In times of fake news, science is usually one of those areas that can give
> us orientation and we can rely on.  Independent peer review frameworks  for
> Scholarly publications is among the foundations of good science. However,
> this is  obviously at risk now.   If a professional association takes  agrees
> to publish scholarly publications (edited books etc)  through a GIS
> vendor’s press then there is potential issues with independent peer review
> and ensuring scientific quality. It is only natural that any GIS vendor
> publication press to have vested interests in promoting their products and
> agenda. It also makes it easy for the vendor to get endorsement for their
> products from scientific and professional organisations using this route. 
> Independent
> peer review is the fundamental aspect of science and we need to ensure all
> steps to protect this.
>
>
> We are also now seeing a very disturbing trend with  some vendors even
> starting to trademark “ science” for marketing/sales of their  products
> and   “science” is being misused for vendor marketing/sales! . I have
> raised this issue through an open letter [1] .  Science is not a
> commodity to be marketed or sold by any vendor owners! I am very sad and
> disappointed to see this degrading of science happening. Scientific
> organisations should not endorse any specific vendor products etc as
> “Science” and take strong moral stand against  marketing of products as
> “Science’ by any vendor owners!
>
>
>
> I am a volunteer for the ICA for the last 15 years and always done my best
> in my small way to support ICA . Around one year back, i*n the light of
> the **International Map Year (IMY)* *, the *The
> International Cartographic Association (ICA) started an excellent
> initiative *for  highlighting the value of cartography by 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Improving Code-of-Conduct

[María Arias de Reyna]

El sáb., 23 jun. 2018 0:27, Mark Iliffe  escribió:

> This would be good - learning from the Dar FOSS4G experience would be a
> good starting place for this. Unfortunately,y not many people believe that
> the laws and codes of conduct we create need to be refreshed and amended to
> keep in pace with our community.
>
> On 22 Jun 2018, at 18:18, María Arias de Reyna  wrote:
>
> That's exactly what I'm trying to do.
>
> Massive +1
>

I want to start with a common CoC for OSGeo (at least as a best practices
model) while keeping conversations with other organizations. As part of a
woman in tech association many orgs have asked for advice already. And
there's already some initiatives for creating common resources. The ones I
know, in Spanish, but that shouldn't be a blocker for a start.

Having exactly the same rules for all situations is difficult, but having a
template is feasible.


> El sáb., 23 jun. 2018 0:17, Cameron Shorter 
> escribió:
>
>> (Changed title to reflect this conversation is about Code-of-Conduct
>> improvements).
>>
>> Maria,
>>
>> I'm going to float a "wish-ware" idea here. Wishware is where someone
>> wishes for a piece of software (or CoC in this case) and some magic
>> geek-fairies go and write it for them because the idea is so good that
>> others are attracted to make it happen.
>>
>> I wish that instead of every foundation and project writing their own
>> CoC, everyone bands together and creates a "Code-of-Conduct Foundation"
>> which takes responsibility for creating a set of standard Code of Conducts,
>> which are maintained by everyone. Something like the Creative Commons
>> licenses for data, or the Open Source licenses defined by OSI.
>>
>> Then we don't need to spend huge amounts of time debating words within
>> our CoC, all we do is decide if we go with CoC-Virtual-Forums or
>> CoC-Face-Conferences, or CoC-Short-Version, or  (whatever they end up
>> being called).
>>
>> This would require one person initially, growing into a team of people,
>> who would draw together the various authors of Codes-of-Conduct, and
>> attract a commitment from a few projects to use the new Code-of-Conduct.
>>
>> Maybe this might be your calling? It would be a huge amount of effort,
>> but would also be hugely valuable and an excellent gift to humanity.
>>
>> On 23/6/18 7:58 am, María Arias de Reyna wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> El vie., 22 jun. 2018 23:35, Cameron Shorter 
>> escribió:
>>
>>>
>>> Maria, re the Code-of-Conduct, I agree with Christian. Rewriting it to
>>> create rules which consider all future opportunities for human conflict is
>>> utopian, impractical and ultimately unachievable.
>>>
>>
>> I agree with that. But a static CoC is also impractical, considering that
>> in the last years CoCs have advanced a lot and now we know what works
>> better on each kind of organizations.
>>
>> What I propose is to evolve, not to throw all the work already done. As I
>> already said on previous mails, the work done was outstanding for the time
>> it was written. Which may seem very recently but considering how much we
>> have advanced, is already old.
>>
>> There have been a huge number of person-hours which have been put into
>>> the numerous Code-Of-Conducts which our OSGeo Code-Of-Conduct was based
>>> upon. I think we keep our Code-of-Conduct as simple as possible, and rely
>>> on our underlying morals, ethics, and collective intelligence to address
>>> concerns as they arise.
>>>
>>
>> My plan is not to complicate it, but to make it stronger.
>>
>> Let me give you one simple example of something that doesn't make sense
>> right now:
>>
>> We cannot say dirty words, but we can harass someone using beautiful
>> words as long as we claim good intent. That doesn't make sense.
>>
>> So, precisely one of the things you quote above as what we should do is
>> one of the things that are wrong.
>>
>> This article can explain the situation better than me:
>> https://thebias.com/2017/09/26/how-good-intent-undermines-diversity-and-inclusion/
>>
>> This would be the easiest thing to propose to change because once you
>> understand it, it becomes obvious. But there's more.
>>
>>
>>>
>> --
>> Cameron Shorter
>> Technology Demystifier
>> Open Technologies and Geospatial Consultant
>>
>> M +61 (0) 419 142 254
>>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Improving Code-of-Conduct

[María Arias de Reyna]

That's exactly what I'm trying to do.

El sáb., 23 jun. 2018 0:17, Cameron Shorter 
escribió:

> (Changed title to reflect this conversation is about Code-of-Conduct
> improvements).
>
> Maria,
>
> I'm going to float a "wish-ware" idea here. Wishware is where someone
> wishes for a piece of software (or CoC in this case) and some magic
> geek-fairies go and write it for them because the idea is so good that
> others are attracted to make it happen.
>
> I wish that instead of every foundation and project writing their own CoC,
> everyone bands together and creates a "Code-of-Conduct Foundation" which
> takes responsibility for creating a set of standard Code of Conducts, which
> are maintained by everyone. Something like the Creative Commons licenses
> for data, or the Open Source licenses defined by OSI.
>
> Then we don't need to spend huge amounts of time debating words within our
> CoC, all we do is decide if we go with CoC-Virtual-Forums or
> CoC-Face-Conferences, or CoC-Short-Version, or  (whatever they end up
> being called).
>
> This would require one person initially, growing into a team of people,
> who would draw together the various authors of Codes-of-Conduct, and
> attract a commitment from a few projects to use the new Code-of-Conduct.
>
> Maybe this might be your calling? It would be a huge amount of effort, but
> would also be hugely valuable and an excellent gift to humanity.
>
> On 23/6/18 7:58 am, María Arias de Reyna wrote:
>
>
>
> El vie., 22 jun. 2018 23:35, Cameron Shorter 
> escribió:
>
>>
>> Maria, re the Code-of-Conduct, I agree with Christian. Rewriting it to
>> create rules which consider all future opportunities for human conflict is
>> utopian, impractical and ultimately unachievable.
>>
>
> I agree with that. But a static CoC is also impractical, considering that
> in the last years CoCs have advanced a lot and now we know what works
> better on each kind of organizations.
>
> What I propose is to evolve, not to throw all the work already done. As I
> already said on previous mails, the work done was outstanding for the time
> it was written. Which may seem very recently but considering how much we
> have advanced, is already old.
>
> There have been a huge number of person-hours which have been put into the
>> numerous Code-Of-Conducts which our OSGeo Code-Of-Conduct was based upon. I
>> think we keep our Code-of-Conduct as simple as possible, and rely on our
>> underlying morals, ethics, and collective intelligence to address concerns
>> as they arise.
>>
>
> My plan is not to complicate it, but to make it stronger.
>
> Let me give you one simple example of something that doesn't make sense
> right now:
>
> We cannot say dirty words, but we can harass someone using beautiful words
> as long as we claim good intent. That doesn't make sense.
>
> So, precisely one of the things you quote above as what we should do is
> one of the things that are wrong.
>
> This article can explain the situation better than me:
> https://thebias.com/2017/09/26/how-good-intent-undermines-diversity-and-inclusion/
>
> This would be the easiest thing to propose to change because once you
> understand it, it becomes obvious. But there's more.
>
>
>>
> --
> Cameron Shorter
> Technology Demystifier
> Open Technologies and Geospatial Consultant
>
> M +61 (0) 419 142 254
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] How to retire membership status?

[María Arias de Reyna]

El vie., 22 jun. 2018 23:35, Cameron Shorter 
escribió:

>
> Maria, re the Code-of-Conduct, I agree with Christian. Rewriting it to
> create rules which consider all future opportunities for human conflict is
> utopian, impractical and ultimately unachievable.
>

I agree with that. But a static CoC is also impractical, considering that
in the last years CoCs have advanced a lot and now we know what works
better on each kind of organizations.

What I propose is to evolve, not to throw all the work already done. As I
already said on previous mails, the work done was outstanding for the time
it was written. Which may seem very recently but considering how much we
have advanced, is already old.

There have been a huge number of person-hours which have been put into the
> numerous Code-Of-Conducts which our OSGeo Code-Of-Conduct was based upon. I
> think we keep our Code-of-Conduct as simple as possible, and rely on our
> underlying morals, ethics, and collective intelligence to address concerns
> as they arise.
>

My plan is not to complicate it, but to make it stronger.

Let me give you one simple example of something that doesn't make sense
right now:

We cannot say dirty words, but we can harass someone using beautiful words
as long as we claim good intent. That doesn't make sense.

So, precisely one of the things you quote above as what we should do is one
of the things that are wrong.

This article can explain the situation better than me:
https://thebias.com/2017/09/26/how-good-intent-undermines-diversity-and-inclusion/

This would be the easiest thing to propose to change because once you
understand it, it becomes obvious. But there's more.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] How to retire membership status?

[María Arias de Reyna]

This is me writing as a person, not as board. This is my personal opinion.
Again: not the board, not the president speaking. Nothing official. Just me.

On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 11:03 AM, Christian Willmes 
wrote:

> I think this email, cited by Sara Safavi, from Marc Vloemans [1] is just
> unbelievable and thus unacceptable to this community.
>
Personally I agree with you that it was an uncomfortable situation easy to
misinterpret. I wasn't comfortable either reading it. (me, the person, not
the board)

The thing is, we still have this "assume good intent" clause on the CoC
that makes it kind of useless on the gray area. So if Marc says that his
intention hasn't to harass Sara, that's it. He didn't do anything that is
officially bad. And I haven't asked Marc about his intentions, so I have to
assume good intent on this words. Misinterpretable? Uncomfortable? Sure,
but not wrong according to current CoC. We are all humans, everybody slips
sometimes and the wording doesn't come out as it should. And there should
be some kind of mediation system so we all learn what we did that made
other people uncomfortable so we can improve and do better next time. This,
assuming the intention was not to harass (which is what I personally
decided to believe as I don't think Marc is a bad person).

Personally I plan to review the CoC and make stronger rules to prevent
situations that can make people uncomfortable, no matter intention, no
matter wording. But as all my OSGeo work is done on my free time, I have to
wait until my holidays to do something about it. And as all my requests for
volunteers to do this have failed, I don't expect anyone to do anything
about it.

So again, please, can someone volunteer to help in improving this? It is a
huge work to do it right and if it has to be me alone working on it, I can
assure you, it won't be quick. More situations like this will happen until
I can have something final.

> I demand a public apology by Marc Vloemans for his accusations against
> Sara Safavi and the OSGeo organisation and community. Furthermore, I demand
> the OSGeo board to force LT to publish the financial records as a matter of
> course. I also suggest to discontinue any relationships with LocationTech
> if there is no public apology for this incident.
>
As a personal opinion, I think LocationTech has nothing to do with that
discussion. I haven't seen any official statement from LT in that thread
(maybe I missed it?). Furthermore, the agreement with LT for FOSS4GNA
didn't include any budget disclosure so they are not forced to show us
anything. We can change that for future events, but not for past events, if
they don't want to do it. So, personally I would leave LT out of the topic.

Going back to the main topic, this topic about being comfortable on the
community worries me (not only this specific case, but more cases I have
seen). So for sure I/we are going to move it inside the community (not only
as a task for the board, why should it be a task for the board?).

Specifically for the board actions, remember that we are volunteers and it
is difficult to make all of us be available to work at the same time. So
for this delicate issues, nobody can't expect a response from the board
that is quick. We need to think, discuss and decide. And that takes time.
We are not full time workers for OSGeo, we are volunteers. That's important
to remember.

I'm sorry for Sara and I really would prefer if she doesn't leave. But I
understand her concerns, so I can't blame her for her decision. I have done
similar things in the past in other organizations. Now I am more a fighter
and prefer to stay, but it is still her decision to fight or not. If she's
not comfortable, I can just hope to make OSGeo more friendly in the future
so she can come back.

(And, if you are wondering, no, this is not because Sara is my friend. In
fact, I barely know her. So don't try to read between lines, I would do the
same with anyone in the same situation).

Again, all this was my personal opinion. Not the board, don't blame the
board for anything here. The rest of the members don't know about this
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[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Sponsoring FOSS4G 2018

[María Arias de Reyna]

Dear fellow members,

After a long discussion we have decided to give a push to this year's
conference to help make it the most diverse FOSS4G ever.

Usually OSGeo gives some seed money to main FOSS4G that usually goes back
(often multiplied) to OSGeo at the end of the event as remaining of the
budget not used. This year we didn't give any seed money at the beginning
because the World Bank has sponsored a big part of the budget and gave the
seed money.

Nevertheless, the board has decided to sponsor the conference on a Platinum
level. This money will be used mostly to improve the Travel Grant Program
allowing even more people to attend the conference and to improve the
record of the event, spreading even further all the knowledge shared in the
conference in the form of videos.

I want to remember also other organizations and companies that sponsoring
FOSS4G events, small or big, is a big push to our community that gives a
lot of exposure. Everybody remember our sponsors and many of us are keen to
work with teams who care for the community.

Also, I want to remember our fellow members that everyone can donate
directly to the Travel Grant Program through Paypal:
https://www.osgeo.org/initiatives/foss4g-travel-grant-program/ Even the
smallest amount can make a huge difference to people who can't afford to
travel to FOSS4G.

Have a happy day!
María Arias de Reyna.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Free Workshop Tickets @ FOSS4G

[María Arias de Reyna]

Dear Mark,

Your effort for this FOSS4G is impressive!

In my opinion, changing previous rules and experimenting with different
approaches is a good thing. If we see that the outcome is not what we
expected, we can always rollback for following years. But what if the
outcome is better than ever? Which, I think, will be the case. There will
be a lot of new faces this year, I'm sure of that. And new faces means new
ideas.

On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 9:31 PM, Mark Iliffe  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Firstly… we’re super excited to be welcoming you all to Dar es Salaam this
> August… it’s going to be amazing!!
>
> Secondly, at the end of last week, there was a very good discussion on
> Twitter about free tickets at FOSS4G [1] - there are numerous threads that
> span from here with good comments for offering free tickets to workshop
> presenters and keynotes and against.
>
> I’d like to explain why we made the choice not to offer free tickets to
> workshop presenters.
>
> When we were putting together the workshop program, we were overwhelmed by
> the quality and quantity of submissions received by the call. We received
> 73 submissions and accepted 27. This was incredibly difficult as we wanted
> to widen the scope of content within the workshop program (aka… not have
> the same as last year) and balance new presenters with established ones.
> Everything was a compromise to establish this program, but on balance I
> believe (and I hope you as the community will agree), that we got the
> balance right.
>
> We have the stated aim in our proposal and since that we want to use
> FOSS4G in Dar es Salaam to widen participation of many under-represented
> groups within our community - as a global community, we need to be as
> diverse as the world. Part of the economic impetus within the DLOC is to
> widen access and participation - this means working out how to achieve
> that. Bluntly, if we want to have a conference with the same content and
> people, we shouldn’t be holding this in Dar es Salaam.
>
> As many, (but not all), workshop presenters are from companies sponsoring
> their travel to FOSS4G (offering workshops that directly relate to services
> offered by their employer), the drive to widen participation, with previous
> conferences not offering free workshop tickets (Nottingham in 2013 for
> example) and no stated promise to offer free tickets for presenters, I led
> my committee and we resolved to not provide free tickets to presenters.
>
> However, potentially this is wrong - and I’d like to stress as a
> volunteer(and unpaid!) conference chair/organiser, we’re capable of getting
> things wrong… but we/I want to ensure that it’s put right.
>
> In effect, there is no profit from the workshop tickets, effectively, this
> pays for the conference venue and the food and drink for the workshop days.
> The cost of this is roughly $75. We’re charging $75 - this is cheaper than
> previous workshops! To offer a free ticket to workshop presenters, we would
> have charged $100 and reclaimed the cost of the workshop presenter ticket
> from there. We charged as low as we could, because we recognised that for
> some attending FOSS4G, $25 can be a very large difference… but for
> others... not at all (hence the donation button for the Travel Grant
> Programme!). But, to widen participation, we need to be as inclusive as
> possible and that means making hard choices.
>
> We’re being inclusive by raising the number of TGP attendees from 10 in
> Boston to 51 for Dar. As the DLOC, we’ve booked the YMCA for our TGP
> attendees - this means that the TGP this year can support micro-grants,
> paying $250 to support the bus travel, food, and drink of a community
> member in Uganda that ordinarily would not be able to get to the conference
> in theory on their doorstep - because of this, every little helps, saving
> $100 here, $300 there etc. This may sound like hyperbole, but it’s a direct
> and concrete way that FOSS4G is widening access, in both economically
> disadvantaged and gendered situations.
>
> Ultimately: If you are a workshop presenter at FOSS4G this year and are
> unable to get your ticket/want a free ticket, please get in touch with me - 
> *we’ll
> sort you out and make it right.* If this has given the impression that we
> are taking advantage of our workshop presenters - *it is not the
> intention, nor the case and we’re sorry*.
>
> Going forward, I’d recommend there be a further discussion within the
> conference selection process on whether workshop presenters, keynotes etc
> are given free passes and clarify whether it should be one way or the other
> - but that is not for me or my committee to decide! It’s 70 days to go to
> the best FOSS4G yet… and we’ve got a conference to put on!
>
> Thanks to all of you who make this community great :-)
>
> Best,
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [1] https://twitter.com/sarasomewhere/status/1006304174332661760
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Geo4All] osgeo board request world wind consider joining the foundation

[María Arias de Reyna]

Hi,

I think it makes sense to have WorldWind at least as a community project.
But it has to be WorldWind who requests it as a project. We can only invite
WorldWind to join, as we have already done. If Jody was not explicit
enough, I can do it again:

*WorldWind, do you want to be an OSGeo community project? *

Patrick, if it is not you anymore, who do we have to redirect this question
to? Who is the leader/speaker of the core team of developers that run it?

If, after being a community project, WorldWind wants to start incubation
and go through the process of becoming a full OSGeo project, we will gladly
help. But at least, it makes sense to do this first step. And I am pretty
sure that most of the requirements to go through the incubation process are
already fulfilled. We just need WorldWind to say they want to go through
this process and help tick the checkboxes.

But, as said, *OSGeo cannot claim WorldWind if WorldWind doesn't say
explicitly that they want to join. *Simple as that. Just give us an
official yes and we can start rolling the wheel.



On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 11:02 AM, Markus Neteler  wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 2:16 AM, Jody Garnett 
> wrote:
> ...
> > If it helps GRASS, would would be the matriarch of our community, also
> went
> > through incubation to work through communication goals such as these.
>
> Right: GRASS GIS went into incubation in 2006 while its development
> was started back in 1982 :-)
>
> Here the related wiki page from 2006-2008:
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_Incubation_Progress
>
> From my point of view (as PSC chair) it was a very demanding but
> absolute necessary exercise for us to review the source code (close to
> 1 million LOC), the community health, infrastructure migration into
> OSGeo, project management structures and more. The incubation process
> was kindly supported by our incubation mentors Norman Vine and Arnulf
> Christl.
>
> Best,
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G Dar es Salaam

[María Arias de Reyna]

On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 4:31 AM, Mark Iliffe  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I’m going to sleep after I send this, it’s been a very stressful few weeks
> for various reasons, one of the biggest being our conference in Dar es
> Salaam. I’m sitting here having my first whiskey in a while, looking out
> towards the sea and I feel good. I feel good because of you and our
> community.
>
> I would be lying if I was looking to see action after every tweet, only to
> see that the ticket purchases slowly climb at a very slow pace. We as a
> DLOC know we can deliver one of the best FOSS4Gs ever, the question for us
> was whether anyone would share our vision and join us. In reflection, over
> the past few days, these fears were unfounded. Over 600 people said with
> one voice that they wanted to join us in Dar es Salaam. As the clock ticks
> down to the event, this number will only rise and rise!
>
> A number of these people have never been to a FOSS4G before. We’ve got the
> largest Travel Grant Programmes ever and combined with the collaborations
> we’ve built with Understanding Risk, Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team, and
> others, we will enlarge our community and extend the reach of our impact
> and our values. When we say our mission is “to leave no-one behind”, we
> mean it and we are delivering on that vision, and that means frequent
> FOSS4Gers and new comers too!
>
> This is something that we should all be proud of and I wanted to say thank
> you to the OSGeo community for believing in the DLOC, we’re creating
> something special in Dar es Salaam this August. Whether you’re a sponsor or
> a participant you will have an amazing time and I wanted to thank you for
> making this happen.
>
> For those that aren’t coming, it will be an unforgettable experience,
> please don’t miss out. Please contact me directly if you’ve got any fears,
> concerns, or just want to know more.
>
> Finally, thank you all. You’re what makes this community great!
>
> Mark
>
> Co-Chair FOSS4G 2018
> Dar es Salaam Local Organising Committee (DLOC)
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Dear Mark,

I'm happy to see all the work you have done. I can't wait to see the
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Advocacy for Advocates

[María Arias de Reyna]

Hi Nicolas,

Good catch!

On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 7:42 AM, Nicolas Roelandt
 wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Last month, I was able to attend the Ubuntu Convention (UbunCon) Europe in
> Gijon (Spain).
>
> There was a lot of very good quality presentation and one catch my
> attention. This one was made by Nathan Haines about Advocacy for Advocates.
>
> It is very simple, a few strong word concepts on how to advocate on FOSS. I
> think it can be interesting for community. Because it is addressing some
> issues we have, comfort us in some good things we do and it might enlight
> some things we missed.
>
>
> Nathan was kind enough to give access to his presentation (with notes in the
> .odp one) [1], so if you can take 5 minutes to read it, please do.
>
>
> Cheers from France,
>
> Nicolas Roelandt
> OSGeo Charter Member
> OSGeoLive PSC member
>
>  [1] https://people.ubuntu.com/~nhaines/documents/events/2018/ubucon-europe/
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[OSGeo-Discuss] What would you need to come to a FOSS4G?

[María Arias de Reyna]

Hi,

As part of the "improve diversity" actions, one of the things we should do
is make a list of all the things that would help people coming to
FOSS4G/OSGeo events. Off the record I have made a draft list of items,but
we need more brainstorming to make sure we cover all kind of inclusive
ideas. Don't be shy to expose your needs (on private if needed), there's
probably more people out there with similar needs.

Draft list (no order in particular, randomized on purpose):
* Accessible venue (wheelchair, blindness,...)
* Travel Grant
* Childcare
* Welcome party for newcomers so they feel part of the community (OSGeo
booth?)
* Translation services (I know, this is expensive, but just list it here
and see if we can move closer)
* Dietary restrictions
* Code of Conduct committee/team that can help solve on the fly harassment
issues
* Legal restrictions (VISA, travel restrictions, cultural specifics,
LGBTQi+ laws,...) and their workarounds

The idea is to make at least all "official" events answer if they provide
this services, and, if they provide them, if it is with an extra cost. Of
course, smaller events will have smaller budgets and will be less likely to
cover all of it. But at least they can have the list in mind and choose the
alternative closer to having a full list of requirements.

For event organizers: consider that it is always better to offer this
services with an extra cost than not offering them at all.

I'm waiting for your ideas. Thanks and have a nice weekend!
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Next Member Meeting

[María Arias de Reyna]

Dear fellow members,

Save the date! Monday 14th we will have the next face to face member
meeting at FOSS4G-NA: https://2018.foss4g-na.org/bof-session/osgeo-members-
meeting

If you have any topics you want to discuss, please add them to the wiki
page: https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Member_Meeting_FOSS4GNA_2018

Have a happy weekend!
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Call out] Diversity team volunteering

[María Arias de Reyna]

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 4:10 PM, SERGIO ACOSTAYLARA
 wrote:
> María, congratulations for your concern in this. I think we still have
> strong barriers regarding gender and language. The latter particularly
> affects the "Third World" (to put it in some way). And all POC, WIT, LGBT+,
> blind, women, etc. inside it (that find it much more difficult to
> integrate/emancipate than in the "First World"). Language is surely an
> important reason why you didn't get any response to your call. If there is
> any way I can help you spread your concern just let me know.
>
> Best wishes,

You are right, Sergio. Language is a barrier. I have on my TO-DO
translate the message and go chapter by chapter asking for help. So if
you want to take that task (or part of it), that would be great!
Thank you very much,
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Call out] Diversity team volunteering

[María Arias de Reyna]

El sáb., 14 abr. 2018 20:27, María Arias de Reyna <dela...@gmail.com>
escribió:

> Dear all,
>
> We haven't had much movement around this subject since the call-out.
> And this is bad. Very bad. This means one or more of the following:
>  * Our community is too heterogeneous, we have no diverse members.


My bad, I meant homogeneous.

 * Diverse members of our community feel too disconected to participate.
>  * Diverse members of our community are too overworked to volunteer on
> this.
>
> So now I want to mobilize the not-diverse members of our community to
> reach our members from diversity target groups. Please, talk to them,
> make sure they feel comfortable and included and make sure they are
> not overworking to be with us.
>
> I think I don't need to explain to you why an heterogenous community
> is bad in the long term sustainability. We have barriers we are
> possibly not even aware of and it is difficult to get rid of them if
> we don't have input from people suffering from those barriers (like, I
> didn't realize how difficult it is to get to a conference on a
> wheelchair until I saw it with my own eyes). We are losing a lot of
> talent by not taking care of this.
>
> Kind Regards,
> María.
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 2:08 PM, María Arias de Reyna <dela...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Dear fellow members,
> >
> > We have had some discussions running in the last months regarding how
> > to improve diversity and inclusivity inside OSGeo. If you feel part of
> > a target group for diversity and inclusiveness, I would like to ask
> > for your help and volunteer to help us improving our guidelines and
> > conducts. Even if you haven't been a very visible or active member of
> > OSGeo until now, this is important because your point of view is
> > difficult to reach from a privileged perspective.
> >
> > What is a target group for diversity?
> > We don't want to have a strict list here, our goal is to have a
> > diverse and wide range pool of points of views that can watch and
> > review OSGeo to make sure we don't leave anyone behind.
> >
> > Some examples: POC, WIT, LGBT+, economic diversity. But we don't want
> > to stop there. If you are blind, neurodiverse, on a wheelchair, or
> > anything you think that we should take into consideration, please,
> > volunteer too.
> >
> > What are we calling out for? Well, at least we have two starting points
> here:
> >  * Review CoC for FOSS4G and help organization in making it as more
> > diverse as possible.
> >  * Review CoC for OSGeo.
> >
> > What do I ask you right now? If you want to help, please, do the
> following:
> >  * Join the CoC mailint list and say hi:
> > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/coc-discuss
> >  * Help here: https://github.com/foss4g2018/foss4g2018/issues/65
> >
> > This is all volunteer work and we won't ask you to do anything more
> > than you can give. But remember that without your point of view, we
> > can't make OSGeo easier to reach for people with your profile. And we
> > want to welcome everybody as much as possible.
> >
> > Thank you very much,
> > María.
> > OSGeo, President.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Call out] Diversity team volunteering

[María Arias de Reyna]

Dear all,

We haven't had much movement around this subject since the call-out.
And this is bad. Very bad. This means one or more of the following:
 * Our community is too heterogeneous, we have no diverse members.
 * Diverse members of our community feel too disconected to participate.
 * Diverse members of our community are too overworked to volunteer on this.

So now I want to mobilize the not-diverse members of our community to
reach our members from diversity target groups. Please, talk to them,
make sure they feel comfortable and included and make sure they are
not overworking to be with us.

I think I don't need to explain to you why an heterogenous community
is bad in the long term sustainability. We have barriers we are
possibly not even aware of and it is difficult to get rid of them if
we don't have input from people suffering from those barriers (like, I
didn't realize how difficult it is to get to a conference on a
wheelchair until I saw it with my own eyes). We are losing a lot of
talent by not taking care of this.

Kind Regards,
María.


On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 2:08 PM, María Arias de Reyna <dela...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear fellow members,
>
> We have had some discussions running in the last months regarding how
> to improve diversity and inclusivity inside OSGeo. If you feel part of
> a target group for diversity and inclusiveness, I would like to ask
> for your help and volunteer to help us improving our guidelines and
> conducts. Even if you haven't been a very visible or active member of
> OSGeo until now, this is important because your point of view is
> difficult to reach from a privileged perspective.
>
> What is a target group for diversity?
> We don't want to have a strict list here, our goal is to have a
> diverse and wide range pool of points of views that can watch and
> review OSGeo to make sure we don't leave anyone behind.
>
> Some examples: POC, WIT, LGBT+, economic diversity. But we don't want
> to stop there. If you are blind, neurodiverse, on a wheelchair, or
> anything you think that we should take into consideration, please,
> volunteer too.
>
> What are we calling out for? Well, at least we have two starting points here:
>  * Review CoC for FOSS4G and help organization in making it as more
> diverse as possible.
>  * Review CoC for OSGeo.
>
> What do I ask you right now? If you want to help, please, do the following:
>  * Join the CoC mailint list and say hi:
> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/coc-discuss
>  * Help here: https://github.com/foss4g2018/foss4g2018/issues/65
>
> This is all volunteer work and we won't ask you to do anything more
> than you can give. But remember that without your point of view, we
> can't make OSGeo easier to reach for people with your profile. And we
> want to welcome everybody as much as possible.
>
> Thank you very much,
> María.
> OSGeo, President.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [GRASS-user] Helena Mitasova awarded 2018 Waldo-Tobler GIScience Prize

[María Arias de Reyna]

Congratulations!

On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 12:11 AM, Helmut Kudrnovsky  wrote:
> forwarding: 
> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-user/2018-April/078052.html
>
> -
> https://gi-science.blogspot.com/2018/04/helena-mitasova-awarded-2018-waldo.html
>
> "The Austrian Academy of Sciences through its Commission for GIScience is
> awarding the GIScience Prize named after Prof Waldo Tobler to a scientist
> having demonstrated outstanding and sustained contributions to the
> discipline worthy of inspiring young scientists in Geoinformatics and
> Geographic Information Science, and having accomplished significant
> advances in research and education.
>
> The received nominations were reviewed and assessed by an external panel of
> peers, who unanimously recommended to award the 2018 prize to Prof Helena
> Mitasova (North Carolina State University)."
> 
>
> congratulations!
>
> kind regards
> Helmut
>
> OSGeo charter member
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO US National Chapter

[María Arias de Reyna]

Hi Randal,

How is the chapter creation going? I see there is no page yet on the
osgeo.org webpage: https://www.osgeo.org/local-chapters/ Can you make
sure there is at least a draft page where the contact point and the
status of the chapter are reflected?

Also I see there are some local chapters in USA:
https://www.osgeo.org/local-chapters/twin-cities-mn-usa-chapter/
https://www.osgeo.org/local-chapters/pdxosgeo/
https://www.osgeo.org/local-chapters/california/

I understand you already reached all of them?

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 8:02 PM, Randal Hale
 wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> Thanks to a few successful events here in the US, (Especially Boston
> FOSS4G 2017) several of us have been working toward formation of a US
> OSGEO Chapter. We've talked to several people in and around the US and
> multiple people involved in local chapters. I guess consider this a first
> shout of "Hello OSGEO World".
>
> Following the Guidelines [1] for Chapter formation we have a good start:
>
> 1. Self Organizing: Based on informal discussions with OSGeo members
> online and at the FOSS4G conference there is a major interest in how to
> support and build community across the nation. Technocation [2] is a
> non-profit that can act as a formal home for the OSGeo.US chapter.
>
> 2. Mission Statement: OSGeo.US will cultivate and support local OSGeo
> chapters and projects in the United States. OSGeo.US will also support
> activities and events that build awareness of the OSGeo and create
> opportunities to grow the OSGeo community.
>
> I also realized in this email - we've yet to stick anything on the
> wiki.osgeo.org site - we'll get that done shortly.
>
> 3. As for an official rep for the chapter: I was nominated by the group
> to be the official Spokesperson for now. So I'll do what I can to answer
> emails or drag someone else into the mix to answer them if I can't.
>
> 4. I'll be sending more information to the OSGEO Board - I
> wanted to start a discussion now and see if there was any angst that I
> or anyone else could address and if anyone else was interested in
> helping push this along.
>
> 5. TBD Later
>
> Anyway - Since I've not quit done anything like this before - Excuse
> anything I've forgotten or not done properly in this first announcement.
>
> Randy
>
>
> [1] http://www2.osgeo.org/content/chapters/guidelines.html
>
> [2] https://technocation.github.io/
>
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> rjh...@northrivergeographic.com
> https://www.northrivergeographic.com
> (423)653-3611
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO US National Chapter

[María Arias de Reyna]

Hi,

This is really good news!

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 8:02 PM, Randal Hale
 wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> Thanks to a few successful events here in the US, (Especially Boston
> FOSS4G 2017) several of us have been working toward formation of a US
> OSGEO Chapter. We've talked to several people in and around the US and
> multiple people involved in local chapters. I guess consider this a first
> shout of "Hello OSGEO World".
>
> Following the Guidelines [1] for Chapter formation we have a good start:
>
> 1. Self Organizing: Based on informal discussions with OSGeo members
> online and at the FOSS4G conference there is a major interest in how to
> support and build community across the nation. Technocation [2] is a
> non-profit that can act as a formal home for the OSGeo.US chapter.
>
> 2. Mission Statement: OSGeo.US will cultivate and support local OSGeo
> chapters and projects in the United States. OSGeo.US will also support
> activities and events that build awareness of the OSGeo and create
> opportunities to grow the OSGeo community.
>
> I also realized in this email - we've yet to stick anything on the
> wiki.osgeo.org site - we'll get that done shortly.
>
> 3. As for an official rep for the chapter: I was nominated by the group
> to be the official Spokesperson for now. So I'll do what I can to answer
> emails or drag someone else into the mix to answer them if I can't.
>
> 4. I'll be sending more information to the OSGEO Board - I
> wanted to start a discussion now and see if there was any angst that I
> or anyone else could address and if anyone else was interested in
> helping push this along.
>
> 5. TBD Later
>
> Anyway - Since I've not quit done anything like this before - Excuse
> anything I've forgotten or not done properly in this first announcement.
>
> Randy
>
>
> [1] http://www2.osgeo.org/content/chapters/guidelines.html
>
> [2] https://technocation.github.io/
>
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> rjh...@northrivergeographic.com
> https://www.northrivergeographic.com
> (423)653-3611
>
>
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Deadline for FOSS4G Tanzania

[María Arias de Reyna]

Dear fellow colleges,

I know we are all busy and time runs fast and maybe you didn't realize
but we are getting close to the deadline for submitting presentations,
workshops, posters, and maps!

Don't miss the opportunity to visit this year's FOSS4G in Tanzania and
submit your proposals to http://2018.foss4g.org/programme.html

We want to have the most diverse FOSS4G ever, so don't hesitate, all
ideas are welcome. Are you really going to miss the conference
everyone is going to talk about for years?

Cheers,
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo sponsorship opportunities for 2018

[María Arias de Reyna]

Also, don't forget SigLibre:
https://www.osgeo.org/events/jornadas-sig-libre-2018/

We have a lot of small and medium events we should sponsor, not
everyone can travel to the big ones!

And please, if you are running a FOSS4G event, make sure you add it to
the web page so it reaches more people: https://www.osgeo.org/events/

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 2:09 PM, Peter Mooney  wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> Please also be aware of our OSGeo Ireland event in May 2018. We are a small
> and relatively new event and local chapter. However, we are expecting, and
> working towards, up to 100 delegates for our one day event.
>
> There will be sponsorship opportunities available - please see our event
> page [https://www.osgeo.org/events/irish-osgeo-symposium-2018/]
>
> With best wishes,
>
> Peter (on behalf of the organizing committee)
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 10:28 AM, Till Adams  wrote:
>>
>> Dear Jody,
>>
>> many thanks for this information! Indeed you missed one upcoming event.
>>
>> In parallel to the OSGeo codesprint from 21.-24.th of March the FOSSGIS
>> conference will take place in Bonn. We have 450 attendees and with that one
>> of the bigger events in our OSGeo-calendar.
>>
>> We have quite some sponsors:
>>
>> https://www.fossgis-konferenz.de/2018/ (scroll down)
>>
>> What must we do in order to get these sponsors cross listed as
>> OSgeo-sponsors?
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Till
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 10.03.2018 um 19:06 schrieb Jody Garnett:
>>
>> If your organization fincially contributes to an OSGeo event, community or
>> project you qualify to be cross listed as OSGeo sponsor.
>>
>> Welcome to an exciting year of community building at OSGeo! Many of our
>> activities are only possible thanks to the support of our volunteers and
>> sponsors. If you are in position to finacially support our community, events
>> and activities in 2018 we would love to hear from you.
>>
>> OSGeo sponsorship recognizes organizations that support us financially at
>> each level of our community from grass roots local chapter advocacy, hands
>> on project sprints, industry focused foundation initiatives, to outreach at
>> FOSS4G events.
>>
>> OSGeo initiatives:
>>
>> The conference committee heads up a travel grant program offering
>> financial assistence to help attend OSGeo events.
>> UN Committee is spearheading a series of capacity building exercises
>> supporting open source adoption through improvements to documentation. This
>> initative encourages young innovators, selecting from competing bids to
>> directly support open source.
>>
>> Event sponsorship opportunities:
>>
>> FOSS4GUK – OSGeo:UK hosting March 8-10
>> OSGeo Code Sprint 2018 Annual Code Sprint comes to Bonn (Germany) March
>> 18-25
>> FOSS4GNA – opportunity to learn, explore, share, and collaborate on the
>> latest foss4g ideas and information May 14-16.
>> FOSS4G-Europe 2018 – FOSS4G Europe, July 16-21, Portugal.
>> FOSS4G – our celebrated annual event August 27 – September 2.
>> Free and Open Source Geographic Information Technologies and Open Data
>> Conference – Comunidad gvSIG Uruguay/GeoForAll Iberoamerica hosting October
>> 18-19
>> FOSS4G Asia 2018 – open source transformation for sustainable development
>> Dec 2-5
>> Additional regional and project events will be announced throughout the
>> year, keep your eye open for a chance to assist either financially or in
>> person.
>>
>> Project sponsorship opportunities:
>>
>> gvSIG Association supporting the OSGeo gvSig Desktop application
>> QGIS.ORG supporting the OSGeo QGIS Desktop application
>> zoo-project
>> GRASS GIS
>> In addition to those listed above we accepts sponsorship and PayPal
>> donations for all our OSGeo projects and Community projects making funds
>> available to their respective project teams.
>>
>> Local chapters accepting sponsorship:
>>
>> OSGeo:UK
>> OSGeo:JP
>> Check with the local chapter near you for more information.
>>
>> OSGeo sponsorship benefits range from website placement, inclusion in
>> promotional material, to events and press releases. For additional
>> information, examples and available discounts, please see our sponsorship
>> page (or contact treasu...@osgeo.org with your questions).
>>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] LGBT in OSGeo

[María Arias de Reyna]

Dear Mark,

Thank you very much for your email.

I agree we should continue the discussion in the open. Now we have a
clear view of the current situation from the board (and people
following that list). A reason why I personally haven't moved this
quicker more open is because I don't want OSGeo to be responsible of
people coming out of the closet on the community and then travelling
to Tanzania and having problems because of that. The risk is very low,
as you have confirmed, but this is a very sensitive issue in many
countries. Everyone should be aware of this before starting to point
personal experiences, especially people coming from privileged
countries where being LGBT+ is not only legal, but socially accepted.

We have an OSGeo meeting in Bonn very soon and I think that is a
proper place to discuss this, as it will be face to face and some
people will be able to discuss this without having to write their
names anywhere. I agree there should be an LGBT+ group inside OSGeo,
and maybe we should provide the tools to allow members from sensitive
countries/personal situations to participate anonymously. (How? I
don't know yet.) And we should promote also some kind of diversity
advice group, where all kind of discriminations can be addressed.
Maybe merge this idea with the CoC team? Maybe a separated dedicated
team? I don't know.

Thanks for this and if you need some immediate action from the board,
just let us know.

Regards,
María.




On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 12:11 AM, Mark Iliffe  wrote:
> Dear OSGeo Board,
>
> On the 20th of February I wrote in response to a concern raised on LGBT+
> concerns in Dar es Salaam. To this, set out the following four action
> points:
>
>> To help move forward on this, we will 1. Ensure that we provide guidance
>> to those in our community on this issue; 2. Seek dialog within our community
>> on this issue, I am personally contactable on this and fully welcome any and
>> all people who wish to discuss this on a face-to-face (over VC) or any other
>> medium that the community would feel better with; 3. Recommend that the
>> board puts in place guidance for future OSGEO conferences other this issues;
>> 4. Support the formation of an LGBT+ grouping within OSGEO to better support
>> appropriate guidance on this issue.
>
>
> To update on this:
>
> 1. We are collaborating with Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team on this issue,
> to ensure that the response to our mutual communities are in lock-step on
> this issue. Guidance will be published for consultation for the conference
> shortly;
> 2. I have reached out to members of the LGBT+ community that I know
> personally on a bilateral basis. I would welcome further dialogue with the
> OSGeo LGBT+ community on a bilateral, private basis for people to voice
> their concerns in confidence;
>
> Points 3 and 4 are of specific interest, in the view of the LOC of FOSS4G
> 2018, as we can set policy direction for our conference, but have no mandate
> nor mechanism to set policy across OSGeo. To this end, I would formally
> request, in my role of Chair of FOSS4G for the OSGeo Board to provide
> direction to future FOSS4G conferences and to further support and service
> this community within our wider community.
>
> Clearly, there is a desire for LGBT+ to be considered further in our
> community - as noted in the transcript of the previous board meeting [1],
> but I think this needs to be communicated to our wider community - I see the
> discussions on the OSGeo board mailing list, though this may not have the
> widest circulation. I am also available to have a video conference with the
> board, at their earliest possible convenience if such an invitation was
> extended.
>
> Finally, I really want to stress this for our conference in Dar es Salaam
> this year to our community: We want to have the most inclusive conference
> that we can possibly have. In the same way that previous FOSS4G events in
> Boston and North Carolina have demonstrated, our conferences have dealt with
> challenges within the wider legislative framework of their host country, we
> as a community are welcoming to any and all with open arms. We will publish
> guidance for those travelling, and if you still wish to participate but
> cannot come to Dar es Salaam, get in touch with us - we will help you get
> involved! Our FOSS4G will only be successful due to ALL the people in our
> OSGeo community; we are a big and dynamic family - we will reflect and live
> that this year in Dar es Salaam, and I hope in the many years to come.
>
> Best,
>
> Mark
>
> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2018-03-01
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: jorge.dejesus 
> Date: 21 February 2018 at 08:26
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] LGBT in Tanzania
> To: conference_...@lists.osgeo.org
>
>
> Hi to all
>
> I was following the LGBT  in Tanzania discussion, and I am happy to see the
> question added to the next RfP.
>
> The 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship

[María Arias de Reyna]

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 4:02 PM, SERGIO ACOSTAYLARA <
sergio.acostayl...@mtop.gub.uy> wrote:

> Stefano, certainly you are NOT the only one. In the past I have expressed
> my concern about this fact. It's as if Monsanto were sponsoring an organic
> food event. I don't think ESRI (or Google or IBM or others) approaches
> OSGeo innocently. This approach should make OSGeo more alert. And distrust
> their intentions. I remember that some years ago ESRI did not let gvSIG
> people even assist an ESRI conference. And now what has changed? That the
> FOSS4G movement is now "cool". So it makes these companies present
> themselves as OS ("we support the OS movement, we even sponsor their
> events", even "we are OS") and it is easier for them to enter certain
> places (later it is more difficult for them to leave). Maybe these
> companies should be asked something more than money in exchange for
> sponsoring the FOSS4G. And see how far they can get with that support to
> the FOSS4G movement...
>

That's a dangerous approach. How do you classify companies that "have to do
something more than money" from companies that don't? If a company have a
mix of open and closed software what happens? If a company contributes a
lot with open software but not on the GIS area, is it good or bad? And the
opposite?

I think we are all aware of the red lines they shouldn't cross. If you feel
more comfortable, we can even write those red lines to make them explicit.
But starting to treat them differently just because their nature... do you
want to ban people coming to our conferences based on... what? That's a
dangerous road. Even if we have suffered that in the past, I am not sure we
should degrade us to that point. We are the good ones here :)

But still, if you want to write the red lines/guidelines explicitly I will
be happy to review and contribute so we can propose them as something more
official. In fact, I realized there are no requirements about what a FOSS4G
should be besides a very abstract concept. Should we do it more explicit?
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship

[María Arias de Reyna]

Hi,

I share your fears. But on the other hand, the list of sponsors is not
closed for this year, I know for sure there are open source companies that
are still pending to be shown there. GeoCat for example, being a small SME
in comparison, will do the yearly effort to be a key sponsor proving that
open source companies support FOSS4G events.

You know (because I have been tiring on this subject) that I am completely
against openwashing. And I will not be comfortable (and protest) if FOSS4G
is used as a platform to promote closed source software. If I see a track
full of selling closed architectures and software or some keynote talking
about the greatness of closed software, I will be angry. But until now, we
have had closed source companies sponsoring OSGeo and the "worst" thing we
have had is some talk with a lot of openwashing that made us laugh. No big
harm, but useful to reopen the debate and refresh terms.

Look at it like this: If a closed source software company (and I won't say
ESRI here, because we have more examples, don't focus only on one) wants to
sponsor an FLOSS conference... look at it as a small fee for all the work
they are reusing from our open side. Is it the only budget they spend on
open source? Is it because they want to get close to the community and keep
in touch with the state of the art software in the industry? Great! If
anything, I would be more worried if they had no interest in FLOSS. This
means we are an important piece of the industry and they want to be
involved, either to -steal- research about our way of working, our ideas or
whatever we have.

Big companies with closed software history can't change from one day to
another. Can you imagine Microsoft announcing Windows is going to be FLOSS?
Would be insane and dangerous (if a code is going to be FLOSS, it should be
FLOSS from the beginning to avoid big security holes in the open that come
inherently on closed software). Let them get closer and, maybe in the
future, they will become real FLOSS advocators.

While they "only" sponsor and maybe promote the ¿little? job they do on
FLOSS, I am fine. If they want to cross that line and start a conversation
about how great closed software is, then we will have to stop them.

Regards,
María.


On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 2:49 AM, André Cruvinel Resende 
wrote:

> Folks,
>
> We have had this fear in the past.
>
> I remember when Autodesk decided to open Mapguide and some of us were
> furious and upset and worried about our community's influence and decisions.
>
> It seems that in the end It was not that important and It does not kill
> Mapserver.
>
> Good and open week. (And mind too)
>
> https://mapguide.osgeo.org/about.html.
>
> André Cruvinel.
>
> Em 25 de fev de 2018 7:11 PM, "Jody Garnett" 
> escreveu:
>
> I do not think of it as just an emotive response - some business models do
> not match our ideals as an organization (requirement to purchase a platform
> subscription for services, or an API key for data use). While some
> organizations match our ideals, but I do not like the ethics (dumping
> software to opensource as part of an exit strategy).
>
> Both these approaches use open source as a tool, but to enable behaviour
> that is not necessarily collaborative. The free-and-open end of the open
> source pool is working on this, but it is a big pool and we want to help
> everyone.
>
> I see our role as changing the the playing field over time so that these
> business models do perform as well as the ones that embrace, contribute to
> and leverage open source.
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:59 PM  wrote:
>
>> Indeed GDAL/OGR uses some ESRI code, example:
>>
>> https://github.com/OSGeo/gdal/blob/a1df7cb9df2fe3cbcfac974b4
>> 34b01ac6a1946e5/gdal/frmts/mrf/JPEG_band.cpp#L21
>>
>>
>>
>> If you don’t want anyone with competing products, it’ll be a short list,
>> and somewhat difficult to justify (e.g. OSGeo has lots of software that is
>> mostly developed and tested against Oracle’s Java, but Oracle Spatial is an
>> alternative to PostGIS). If you don’t want anyone who does patents, it’ll
>> exclude most of the big IT companies.
>>
>>
>>
>> Is this just an emotive response?
>>
>>
>>
>> Brad
>>
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Letter from the new OSGeo President

[María Arias de Reyna]

Dear fellow OSGeo members,

I am proud and happy to have been appointed President of OSGeo. I hope to
fulfill your expectations and continue to improve OSGeo. We are living
beautiful times for free and open source software in geo and all of us
should enjoy and participate in this party.

One of the things this board has been discussing lately is that we should
get more people involved in the organization. I would like to take the
opportunity
so that those who want to get more involved can step forward and begin to
perform tasks that will make our community better. There is always room for
more volunteers and any help, as small as it may seem, will help us grow
more.

As you may know, I want to promote more diversity and inclusiveness in the
organization. So if you feel a bit isolated and want to be more involved,
it would be a good time to send an email to the OSGeo discuss mailing list
(or any of the other mailing lists you may be part of) so we know you are
there and want to get involved more. Making us aware you are there will
help us identify communities or individuals that are more isolated so we
can extend our network to reach you.

Thanks for all the good work and thanks to everyone participating in OSGeo.
It is you who make this organization what it is.

Cheers,
María Arias de Reyna
President, OSGeo Foundation
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Hostile Takeover" -- what do we mean by this?

[María Arias de Reyna]

Hi,

So the concern is not for the current board, but for future boards that may
not be involved in free and open source software and follow different goals
using OSGeo.

I don't see that happening in the short term from OSM or similar
organizations, but the answer to your questions are on the bylaws, sections
8.3 and on, ARTICLE XI and, of course, ARTICLE I:
http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/incorporation/bylaws.html

I would be more worried about the open washing than this.

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Ravi Kumar 
wrote:

> Maria,
> the following email of Frank explains.
> So, when a need arises, the board can put to vote the learned Charter of
> OSGeo, to seek guidance.
> As the Board is elected by the Charter, the charter in turn can advise.
> Our very learned 1st board have thought about, and Frank is one of them.
> Cheers
> Ravi Kumar
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> From: Frank Warmerdam 
> Date: Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 3:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Hostile Takeover" -- what do we mean by this?
> To: Helmut Kudrnovsky 
> Cc: OSGeo Discussions 
>
>
> Helmut,
>
> The word "hostile" is a bit unfortunate.  One of the goals of charter
> membership early in the organization was to provide a mechanism to
> keep us aligned on roughly our original mission and community.  I
> personally had a concern that we might get swamped by some other
> community and almost accidentally taken over.  For instance one might
> have imagined if all the folks interested in OSM joined OSGeo they
> might have accidentally swamped "us" and we would potentially have
> lost the goals of the organization.
>
> Best regards,
> Frank
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 11:15 AM, Helmut Kudrnovsky  wrote:
> > sorry, missed the subject
> >
> >
> > Gesendet: Montag, 28. August 2017 um 20:12 Uhr
> > Von: "Helmut Kudrnovsky"
> > An: discuss@lists.osgeo.org, s...@sarasafavi.com
> > Betreff: Kein Betreff
> > Sara Safavi:
> >>In the notification emails from CRO to new charter member nominees, the
> >>following is included (emphasis mine):
> >>
> >>*"(Charter Members) have the following responsibilities: (1) annually
> vote
> >>for OSGeo Board Members; (2) annually vote for new OSGeo Charter Members
> >>and (3) be aware of and protect against a hostile takeover of OSGeo."*
> >>
> >>I have had more than one nominee of mine contact me asking what exactly
> >>this means. I agree with their concerns: this is strange language to use,
> >>is not reflected in our bylaws, and frankly does not fit the image I
> >>presented when I first contacted them asking if they would accept a
> >>nomination.
> >
> > one may translate it to: being responsible of/taking care for the wealth
> and integrity of foundation based
> > upon the principles and bylaws.
> >
> >>It may be a language barrier or simply a misunderstanding, but can we
> >>clarify what is meant by using this kind of verbiage, and consider a
> >>re-wording?
> >
> > I tend to keep it as it is. rewording would mean involving the charter
> members as this related to them.
> >
> > Kind regards
> > Helmut
> >
> > OSGeo charter member
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] My feelings about board elections

[María Arias de Reyna]

Dear all,

Sorry for the late response. I was busy going back from different timezones
and that is a killer for me (travelling, being sleepy, etc...).

I agree with Sanghee that we have gone one step backwards. We have lost
Asia in the board. That's a step backwards we shouldn't have had. And I
agree with 90% of opinions posted here that are sad about the
European-NAmerica board. So I will just highlight what I don't agree with.
And this is an optimistic email, I don't share the general pessimism. Wait
for the end of it.

I don't agree that Venka has been punished somehow despite his good work.
Do you really think that if someone is doing a good work that should
warrantee his position on the board? I don't think so. I think the reward
of doing a good job comes somewhere else: recognition, ¿fame?, trust,
acknowledgement, even free beers! But even if you think a position on the
board is a reward, then, maybe other people have been also rewarded with
that for work outside the presidency of OSGeo but inside the community. Or
maybe people just wanted a fresh view, not necessarily that meaning that
his work (or your work!) was bad. There is a lot of reasons for voting
someone and I personally think that a "reward" vote shouldn't be one.
Having other candidates with more votes doesn't mean you did a bad job at
all.

Do I think that you both should be on the board? Yes, of course! But this
has also been (at least for me) a very difficult voting. It was very hard
to choose between the candidates. All had good reasons to be there, all had
good work done inside the community. So, how to choose? I know what you
have been doing because I have done an explicit effort to know about that.
I have gone to international events, I have followed the mailing lists, I
have followed many threads on twitter. Most people only know what people
around them do. So it is possible (and very likely, in my opinion) that a
lot of people just see OSGeo as an organization, but don't see the work of
individuals. So for them, Venka is that person who does the "history of
OSGeo" talk, but nothing special around him that other active members don't
have. If we ask members who has been behind the new website, how many of
them would know? And that is something that has had a lot of publicity
recently. What about all the rest of work that has less exposure?

So when it comes to voting, they see candidates who are active in trying to
show their views and other candidates that are not present. Not being
present on the election process, that is what have drained votes, I would
say. Not your fault, maybe, but how do we explain that to people who don't
see individuals because they are already busy with local and regional stuff?

And now the optimistic part:On the other hand, we have gone two steps
forward. Wait, what? Let me explain:

We are finally half male half female. Although this may not look like a
step forward to some of you, to me it is a huge win. And we did that
without the need for quotas. That't a double win. And it is a tendency that
has been stable so I am optimistic here.

And the other step, but still an important step forward, we have recovered
the long lost Iberoamerican community in the board. Since Jorge Sanz, we
haven't had a spanish-speaking board member. I know I count as European,
but I am as European as I am part of the large (huge!) community that
culturally spreads also on north, central and south America. So yes, Vicky
may have been a better representative of this community because she is not
european, but still, I plan to work hard on getting latin americans closer
to OSGeo. Remember that this community is the ¿largest? community in OSGeo
and they are very silent because many reasons (low English level, no
international FOSS4G being done close, middle income economy that can't
afford to travel far or even organizing codesprints properly!,... etc...).
Most of them work hard towards OSGeo and don't even know there is such a
thing as a membership! They just work aligned with our goals and inside the
community, but they see so far away the OSGeo "official" community that
they don't even bother to get closer. To get what? What would be their
motivation to get closer to a community that largely ignores them?

If you think OSGeo has less importance in South America, check the
GeoInquietos. Different branding, same work. On the FOSS4G-BA, after María
Brovelli's talk about OSGeo, many of them were surprised. They knew about
FOSS4G just because the geoinquietos from Argentina placed it on their
doorstep. But, OSGeo? What's that? Aaah, the same thing they have been
doing but on an English-speaking community.

We have lost Asia, but we have a window to South America. And that's very
important.

And, wait, have we lost Asia? Does it mean that if there is no board member
from Asia, Asia is going to disappear or something?

If you think it will help, we can have something like one representative
for each chapter as advisor or watcher of 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Election 2017 Board of Directors elections results

[María Arias de Reyna]

Thanks to all the members who participated and specially those who voted
for me. I will try to make you proud of your decision! We will drink
argentinian beers to celebrate this is finally over!

And I know Vasile needs to rest because he was unable to order
alphabetically properly :) My last name is Arias de Reyna. Confusing, I
know :)

El 26 oct. 2017 18:24, "Vasile Craciunescu" <vas...@geo-spatial.org>
escribió:

> Dear all,
>
> Please accept my apologies for not including in my message the elections
> results wiki page [1]. I did setup that page before sending the email. I
> was just too tired after a full conference day here in Bucharest. Tomorrow
> I will add the full elections log.
>
> Best,
> Vasile
>
> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Election_2017_Results
>
>
> On 10/26/17 10:08 PM, Vasile Craciunescu wrote:
>
>> Dear OSGeo community,
>>
>> These are the results from the 2017 elections for the 5 open
>> seats of the OSGeo Board of Directors. The results in alphabetical
>> order are:
>>
>> * Astrid Emde
>> * Jody Garnett
>> * Jeff McKenna
>> * Helena Mitasova
>> * María Arias de Reyna
>>
>> Thanks to all candidates to ongoing through the elections process.
>> Election figures are:
>>
>> * Membership: 390
>> * Valid votes: 308
>> * Not finished votes: 5
>> * Not voted: 77
>>
>> There were no scores to arbitrate. One candidate withdraw during the
>> voting period. A final position is expected from the candidate ASAP. Thank
>> you all who voted!!
>>
>> The complete resulting Board (wiki order) for 2017/2018 is:
>>
>> * Vasile Craciunescu
>> * Maria Antonia Brovelli
>> * Michael Smith
>> * Angelos Tzotsos
>> * Astrid Emde
>> * Jody Garnett
>> * Jeff McKenna
>> * Helena Mitasova
>> * María Arias de Reyna
>>
>> Personally I just want to express my joy for the excellent scores of our
>> ladies candidates, elected or not.
>>
>> Please congratulate the new OSGeo Directors!
>>
>> My job as CRO is almost finished now, I will update the wiki with the
>> detailed results (CSV with every vote and the timestamp) as soon as
>> possible.
>>
>> Best,
>> Vasile
>> CRO 2017
>>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Elections 2017 from the CRO point of view

[María Arias de Reyna]

On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 10:54 PM, Anita Graser  wrote:

> Thank you for your summary and assessment of the situation, Vasile!
>
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 9:57 PM, Jody Garnett 
> wrote:
>>
>> I am not sure I have collected my own thoughts, in the interests of
>> meeting your request I would like to ask if the current board members are
>> available for 14:00 UTC tomorrow.
>>
>
> ​I can't guarantee that I'll be able to make it, but here are my thoughts:
>
> 1) +1 Vasile's recommendation "to create a clear rule stating that an
> accepted nomination cannot be withdraw after the start of the voting
> period", and therefore
>
> 2) +1 the recommendation "not to admit the [withdrawal] request from Jef"
>
> 3) +1 "not to start new elections" for the reasons summarized by Vasile
>


Although it is true that this hasn't been very peaceful elections, I am
against of restarting the elections. If this is a democracy, let us decide
if we want to vote or not for someone. And if after the elections that
person feels that there is too much pressure and cannot stand it, then let
that person resign. And if we make a mistake and vote for someone who is a
bad choice, well, we will learn and not vote for that person again, right?
That's the beauty (and the beast) of the democracy. Mistakes can be made,
but they are not forever.

And this goes also for all the people who did campaign aggresively (public
and privately) against one of the candidates. It is good to ask about
things that worry you and to expose what you think it is a failure. But if
there is nothing on the rules that prevents that person to be elected, as
it was the case (maybe because of a loophole, but rules didn't explicitly
say he couldn't be elected), then that's it. There is no need to push that
to the personal level.

Thanks a lot Vasile for the work done. I have no doubt you did the best on
this case. And I hope the new board can work on your suggestions, I think
they are the right path to go. And reinforce the rules to cover extreme
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Elections deadline extension by 24h

[María Arias de Reyna]

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 5:31 PM, Vasile Craciunescu 
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I was just notified by one of our charter members (thank you, Jody!) about
> a mistake in the vote invitation email. The email contains this phrase "The
> deadline for this election is 23:59 GMT Tuesday 25th October 2017". Of
> course, Tuesday is today and today is the deadline according with our
> official calendar. However, just to make sure no one is mislead by this
> phrasing, I will extend the voting period with 24 hours. Is my mistake and
> I would like to apologize for this as is adding more problems an an already
> complicated situation. Hopefully, more members will have the chance to
> vote. Until now, 277 from the total of 390 charter members voted. Later
> tonight I will also publicly sent my position to the board on the situation
> caused by Jeff's request to withdraw from elections.
>
>

If it counts for something, either if I am elected or not, I think you did
a great job on a very stressful situation.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Costly FOSS4Gs

[María Arias de Reyna]

On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 7:57 AM, Ravi Kumar 
wrote:
> GFOSS.. Commercial Support.. +1 for this.
> But.. now that this has come to a boil..
>
> WHY NOT THE BOARD AND WOULD BE BOARD COME OUT CLEAR ON THIS..
> SURE THIS WILL HELP THE CHARTER.. WHOM TO VOTE..
> 'Free and Open Source'.. has brought to where we are.. This is a community
> effort.
>
> Is there a solution to OSGeo FOSS4G events, that are affordable to
> Users/Developers/Students..
>
> Ravi Kumar
>

Hi Ravi,

I think we have mentioned several ideas to fix this.* The Travel Grant *program
may not be very big right now, but it is growing year by year. Also, yes,
we are workinig on making the cost lower for attendants, have you checked
the current call for venues[1]? Have you checked the current *early bird
prices* for next FOSS4G[2]? Remember that some of them have a room already
included!

Maybe the problem is that you think this event should be free for
attendants? What is the price you would think it is reasonable for
attending FOSS4G? (This is a tricky question: whatever the price you say,
there will be people who will claim it is too high... unless it is free.
And then they will say travel costs are too high... you will never make
everyone happy unless it is a free event on their doorstep.).

And also remember what many of us had said: there are very good local and
regional events who have no reason to envy FOSS4G. As they are smaller, it
is easier to keep them cheaper.

There is another issue: we can lower insanely the price of the FOSS4G
ticket, but travel costs are still there. If you cannot afford to travel,
maybe you should look into your closest FOSS4G local event. Is there none?
Then look for your fellow osgeo members living near you and start one! How
do you think all this events started? A small group of people who wanted to
meet without having to travel much or wanting to talk about regional
specifics. That's it, there's no other secret.

[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2019_Bid_Process
[2] https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/foss4g-2018-dar-es-salaam-tic
kets-36995828519#results
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Costly FOSS4Gs

[María Arias de Reyna]

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Tom Chadwin  wrote:
> Hello all
>
> A significant group who have possibly not yet chimed in on this issue are the 
> commercial organizations who sell GFOSS support and development. I presume 
> that FOSS4G is one of their best opportunities to get new business.

One of my targets when trying to make FOSS4G more affordable is
companies who may not be the big companies, but still can offer good
GFOSS services and contribute to it. In fact, I see much more benefit
in having a lot of small companies contributing than just one single
large company. I would be happier with a lot of small sponsors, each
of them contributing and believing on freedom.

I see FOSS4G as a place where everyone meet: developers, users,
companies. And each one can interact with the ones they are most
interested in. Should we focus only on having a shiny-suit conference
to attract investors? I doubt it, part of the strength of FLOSS is
precisely not being so "shiny-suited" but being a big community where
everyone can contribute and receive more than what they contributed.
We should never lose track of that, the community and the freedom to
reuse is our best attribute. Should we make sure we look serious and
trustables? Yes, definitely. But that's not incompatible.

Should we improve the B2B? Also yes. Making sure money flows is what
will make FOSS4G and OSGeo survive. Without money, many of the things
we do would be impossible. So, we have to balance the "attract
investors" with the "don't lose our identity", which is not simple and
believe me, not cheap :)

Anyway, ideas are always welcome. Even if you are not involved in
FOSS4G organization directly, I'm sure helping hands making everything
better are always welcome.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Elections 2017: roles and positions

[María Arias de Reyna]

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Gert-Jan van der Weijden - Stichting
OSGeo.nl  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> One of the questions asked to our nominees to write down in their Manifesto
> is "which role you wish to fulfil in the Board".
>
> Apparently  a though question, since not answered by some candidates.
>
> Only Vicky hinted towards wanting to be an officer (Chair of the Board,
> President, Secretary, Treasurer [1]); she stated in her response "I don't
> want to handle money, which I interpret as not wanting to be treasurer).
>
>
>
> However, when reading more about the Officers in our Bylaws [1] two things
> struck me:
>
> 1.  "Chair of the Board" and "President" are two different positions.
>
> That makes sense: they require different skills. The Chair  must be able to
> keep the Board on track, whereas the President has more of an outreach role,
> making sure the community members are feeling comfortable, making sure "the
> guy in the back" is also reached.
>
> 2. An Officer does not have to be member Director (=Board Member) > OK, I
> should have know this, with Jachym being secretary while not being member of
> the Board of Directors.
>
>
>
> Although these elections are about membership, I'd like to ask the
> candidates if they have a preference for a certain officer position?

I think I already answered the question by saying what I want to
achieve. The "title" that comes with it is not a big deal to me. At
least on the rest of the organizations I am/have been part of, in the
end the board acts more like a do-acry than anything else. In some
organizations I have been more active than in others where I had a
higher position. Sometimes you have more free time you can invest in
pushing further the organization, sometimes you just have to let
others do the hard work, no matter what your position is.

Should I take care of the money? I doubt it as I am not specially good
at paperwork. But somebody has to do it so if there is no better
candidate, sure, I can do it.
Should I take care of paperwork? Again, somebody has to do it so even
if I am not good at that, I can do it.

And the same with other positions. I think this is more a decision to
be made when we see who is there. Why would I say I want a specific
position so when we are there I find somebody else who could do the
work better than me (and want to). My interest is not in having a good
bureaucracy, is having things done. If it is me or somebody else, who
cares? If in the end I do the "work" related to another position, does
it matter, as long as it is being done?
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Elections Debate

[María Arias de Reyna]

Indeed a last minute idea, we could at least had a quick doodle about the time.

I will try to be there, but can't be sure.

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 1:01 AM, Vicky Vergara  wrote:
> Hello all
>
> Announcing the 2017 Board Elections Debate on IRC.
>
> Time: 14:00 UTC
> Place: IRC channel #osgeo
>
> For those without IRC client you can log in using:
> http://webchat.freenode.net/
>
> Note: Its a last minute idea so maybe not all nominees will be there,
> therefore, we are going to be keeping it as a conversation with the
> community.
>
>
> Please feel free to join.
>
> Vicky
>
>
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Costly FOSS4Gs

[María Arias de Reyna]

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 1:44 AM, Ravi Kumar 
wrote:

>
>
> Question  (would be Board).  'Do you agree that FOSS4G is turning out to
> be a hangout for those who can afford it'.. costs (of participation) are
> so high that many might not afford.. If selected to the board HOW do you
> wish to correct this..
>

Hi,

I don't know if you are following the current FOSS4G process to select the
next venue. It turns out that I am proposing to host FOSS4G 2019 in
Sevilla. So I have studied this very close recently. And Jeff is right, it
is very difficult to find a cheap place where you can have so many people
at the same time. Organizing a conference when you have more than 500
attendees is a huge step forward and requires a lot of investment in
organization. Now we are getting closer to the 1500 attendees, can you
imagine how difficult is to cut costs if we want to succeed?

It was Vasile (who is also competing with Bucarest as venue) who made the
spreadsheet comparison about prices and the conclusion is that prices have
been very stable among the years if you take inflation into consideration.
Ok, we have had an economic depression in some countries and inflation is
not the same worldwide. But prices are not getting so much higher as the
general public perceives. I hope he can make this numbers public soon, as
it was a very interesting spreadsheet about the evolution of FOSS4G.

Said this: we can try to make FOSS4G more affordable, and indeed we should.
What would I do if I were on the board to get that? Well, if you take a
look at the proposal I am chairing in Sevilla[1][2], you will see we are
going to lower the prices, get more funds from the general budget for
travel grants (and not only wait for people to donate) and also the venue
is very cheap to stay at. Having countries that have problems travelling to
FOSS4G close is also a good push, but that's not always possible.

I think travel grants are a really good thing to improve. But that also
means having less surplus from FOSS4G, which is used for other events which
are smaller and can be helpful to reach those who can't afford FOSS4G. How
do we find balance here?

Maybe the idea of everyone going to every FOSS4G is the problem. Having
regional FOSS4G and smaller events is a good way to reach those who can't
afford to travel (and not only for economic reasons). Of course I would
like everyone to be able to travel to FOSS4G regularly, but I think that's
not realistic. Taking a full week of holidays for it or making your company
pay for your travel (if you have a job!) is not that easy even if you have
the money. What about your family and people who depend on you? What about
people who have political problems to travel? There is a lot of cases where
travelling out of your country or more than a couple of days is a nightmare.

I would try to do both approaches: make FOSS4G more affordable with travel
grants (who may not pay in all cases the full costs but maybe only part of
it to reach more people?) and also reinforce the regional and local events.
Lowering the general public cost of a FOSS4G is not as easy as it sounds as
many things depends on the (not so big) surplus of FOSS4G.

This is a topic to discuss in more detail in the future.

[1]
https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/proposals/2019/FOSS4G%202019%20Letter%20of%20Intent%20for%20Sevilla.pdf
[2] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2019_Q%26A_Sevilla

Regards,
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Rewording the diversity argument

[María Arias de Reyna]

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 9:01 AM, Marc Vloemans <marcvloema...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> Please notice that the concept of diversity is not about equal
> numbers/quota's. That has and will backfire as it misses the point and
> easily degrades individual achievements.
>
> It is essentially about 'inclusiveness'!
>
> I am trying to be sensitive to the European way of approaching the matter
> versus the American way. 'Diversity' as a term carries different
> connotations/values/interpretations for different cultures.
> Therefore I rather talk about 'inclusiveness' as everyone has felt left
> out at least once. So is able to relate to how that feels.
>
> Are we inviting and welcoming everyone that adds value in some way or is
> genuinely interested in OSGeo?
> Do we truly have the 'open' culture we pride ourselves on (e.g. past email
> treads attacking individuals could suggest differently)?
> Please, lets work on that, keep each other sharp and avoid window dressing.
>
> Kind regards,
> Marc Vloemans
>
>
Hi,

I agree that maybe the word diversity may be too cultural-related and maybe
we should avoid it as we may not be talking about the same things. Maybe
some native speakers can create a glosary of terms we can use when talking
about diversity and inclusiveness?

I know what to use in Spanish, but sometimes I am not sure how that
translates properly. It's like, can I say "black" if I am just being
descriptive? Because "afroamerican" may work fine in America, but what
about black people in Europe who has never been to America? "Afroeuropean"?
Why the difference? It is always confusing to me because I always get
different advices here.

Also, I think that being just welcoming and open on a pasive way is not
enough, which is how OSGeo has behave until now (or at least from my point
of view). That's the classic argument when men are asked about the lack of
women in tech. "We don't forbid them to come. If they would be interested,
they would be here. We will be happy if they join." And that's not how it
works. In my opinion, we have to be actively welcoming and inclusive at all
times. The slippery moment we forget, we are making people move away.


Op 13 okt. 2017 om 08:23 heeft María Arias de Reyna <delawen+os...@gmail.com>
> het volgende geschreven:
>
> Hi Ger-Jan (and all),
>
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 6:00 PM, Gert-Jan van der Weijden - Stichting
> OSGeo.nl <gert-...@osgeo.nl> wrote:
>
>> Hi Board member candidates (and fellow voter members),
>>
>> = And one to all of you:
>>
>> Some of you talk about being an inclusive organization.
>>
>> For the geographical and probably cultural aspect of inclusiveness, do
>> you think the Board should have it's roots in as much continents /
>> languages as possible, so preferably 1 Board member from every continent
>> (not counting for Antarctica, ha!)
>>
>
>
> I am no friend of quotas. At least everytime I have been offered things
> just because I was a woman and they needed a female because [reason not
> related to my real value] it made me feel really bad. Why would I want to
> be somewhere (a board or whatever) where everyone knows I am there not
> because I deserve it but because something I didn't even choose? If I
> accepted, no one was going to hear my voice, I would have been unable to do
> anything for real. No, thanks.
>
> Said this, on an ideal world probably we would have in average one person
> for each continent or language or culture or ethnicity or gender or
> whatever criteria you want to split people into.
>
> Would we achieve this by forcing quotas? We could but, I rather prefer to
> get more diverse people engage and enthusiast with OSGeo so in the end they
> will become natural leaders. Making an effort to help diverse people more
> comfortable in OSGeo and encourage them to participate more? Yes. Giving
> visibility to diverse people that are doing great things inside OSGeo?
> Sure. Making an effort to put someone in some position just because we have
> to fill a quota? No, thanks.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board Candidate Manifestos: 3 questions

[María Arias de Reyna]

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 8:37 PM, Vicky Vergara  wrote:

> Hello all, Gret-Jan
>
> In my view section of my manifesto I mention OSGeo  is here to serve the
> people of the world.
> People in the world are Geographically distributed, have different
> cultures and using some number about the languages, for example, only in
> Mexico there are around 60+ languages and 6000+ languages around the world.
> So, we are here to serve the people regardless of the Geographical
> diversity, culture diversity, DNA diversity, gender diversity, political
> diversity, religious diversity.
>
> I don't think that is compulsory to have a representation of every
> continent/country/language/DNA/gender  on every cycle of the Board, but I
> think it would help if from time to time the  diversities are also
> represented.
>
> I hope the above answers your question. And I also hope that the following
> raises some internal questions:
>
>
> I will talk about  what I know:
> Spanish is the second most spoken language on the world (first is
> mandarin) and is the official language of 20 countries, 19 are located in
> Latin America 1 is located in Europe.
> Since OSGeo started there has not being a person  in the Board  from any
> of those countries. [1]
>
>
Hi,

Am I confused or wasn't Jorge Sanz part of the board a few years ago?

Not that I want to break your argument, you are right in everything else,
we (spanish-speaking) are very misrepresented considering how many we are
on the day to day work. And having a Spanish-speaking chapter is like...
English-speaking chapter? Too big. We had to break into smaller
GeoInquietos groups to be able to handle it. It is just too big. And still,
except for local organization purposes, having a global Spanish Chapter is
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board Candidate Manifestos: 3 questions

[María Arias de Reyna]

Hi Ger-Jan (and all),

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 6:00 PM, Gert-Jan van der Weijden - Stichting
OSGeo.nl  wrote:

> Hi Board member candidates (and fellow voter members),
>
> = And one to all of you:
>
> Some of you talk about being an inclusive organization.
>
> For the geographical and probably cultural aspect of inclusiveness, do you
> think the Board should have it's roots in as much continents / languages as
> possible, so preferably 1 Board member from every continent (not counting
> for Antarctica, ha!)
>


I am no friend of quotas. At least everytime I have been offered things
just because I was a woman and they needed a female because [reason not
related to my real value] it made me feel really bad. Why would I want to
be somewhere (a board or whatever) where everyone knows I am there not
because I deserve it but because something I didn't even choose? If I
accepted, no one was going to hear my voice, I would have been unable to do
anything for real. No, thanks.

Said this, on an ideal world probably we would have in average one person
for each continent or language or culture or ethnicity or gender or
whatever criteria you want to split people into.

Would we achieve this by forcing quotas? We could but, I rather prefer to
get more diverse people engage and enthusiast with OSGeo so in the end they
will become natural leaders. Making an effort to help diverse people more
comfortable in OSGeo and encourage them to participate more? Yes. Giving
visibility to diverse people that are doing great things inside OSGeo?
Sure. Making an effort to put someone in some position just because we have
to fill a quota? No, thanks.
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Candidate Manifesto: María Arias de Reyna

[María Arias de Reyna]

Hi,

You can find my manifesto here:

https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Election_2017_Candidate_Manifest
os#Mar.C3.ADa_Arias_de_Reyna_Dom.C3.ADnguez

Don't be shy in asking questions, it will be a tough decision and it will
not be easy to choose between the candidates.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Charter Members: What kind of an OSGeo Board do we want?

[María Arias de Reyna]

>
>
>- All candidates - what role, specific topics would you like to work
>on within the board and why? what do you hope to contribute and achieve in
>the next 2 years?
>
> I think this is answered here on the Manifesto:
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Election_2017_Candidate_Manifestos#Mar.C3.ADa_Arias_de_Reyna_Dom.C3.ADnguez


   - Promoting diversity (geographical, ethnical, cultural and gender)

I know I have some privilege-blindness here as I am a highly educated
"white" binary-gendered female-born living in an european country. But
still, as president of a WIT association that is already improving
diversity in my region, I think I can push OSGeo a bit forward and help
introducing more diversity until I crash into my ceiling glass of
privilege-blindness.

   - Promoting FLOSS

I would like to go back to the free/open discussion, as making sure our
contributions are reusable and useful should be one of the core goals of
OSGeo. If we become too lax on the open definition, we may end up promoting
closed software that only helps the owner of the source code, not the
community.

>
>- If there was only 1 thing you could change in the next 2 years what
>would it be?
>
> This is a difficult one. I hope I don't really have to choose in the end.

But I think the diversity one is the one I would change. Because diversity
will also bring more quality, which means better forms of collaboration,
affecting incidentally the other goal.

I would hope that the freedom promotion can hold two years more without me,
specially because I know there are very good advocators fighting this war
already and it is a mid-term battle, not a two-years battle.


> May the FOSS be with you all
>

May the FLOSS be with you!
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: Board nomination: Maria Arias de Reyna

[María Arias de Reyna]

On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 4:48 PM, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)
 wrote:
> Looks like I goofed bigtime!
>
> In my oversight, I mistakenly thought this was a nomination for Maria Antonia 
> Brovelli.
>
> And so was wishing to advance that in the most positive way.
>
> Maybe my delirium from being on the road for over three weeks of European 
> travel contributed to that.
>
> My apologies to Maria Arias de Reyna.

Don't worry. María is one of the most common names here on the
Mediterranean countries, that was going to happen sooner or later :)
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Marketing] Proprietary GIS on our OSGeo website

[María Arias de Reyna]

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Andy Turner  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It is possible to come up with a set of tasks and tests used to confirm and 
> classify what software are capable of. Working out what is included and how 
> this is included is non-trivial and I think this is in the domain of the Open 
> Geospatial Consortium and the standards defining organisations generally. 
> Sorry, I've not been engaging there of late, but when I did interoperability 
> was the primary goal and standardisation of data and services and how to use 
> the services was key. Anyway, there can be other descriptors of 
> software/services too, like the nature of the user interfaces (whether there 
> are optional GUI/command line/whether things operate via web protocols and 
> indeed whether it is more a single desktop application or something that has 
> more of a client/server architecture, whether it is modular, whether there is 
> an API (and what the nature of this is), what language(s) it is written in 
> and possibly loads of other things).
>
> Sorry, I digress, let me try to get to the point...
>
> If there was a breakdown of what functions there are and how the software 
> works then this may help in identifying not only similarities between one 
> FOSS offering and other proprietary ones, but between FOSS ones. This could 
> be useful in a number of ways, one of which might be identifying whether 
> there is a single FOSS offering that does everything that a user currently 
> wants to do (and may do already using other software).
>
> Migrating from using one set of software to using another to perform the same 
> tasks can be quite a job for any organisation. It might require a significant 
> amount of research, the development of educational resources and training.
>
> It would be great if there was a set of educational resources that show how 
> to perform tasks in different software (and indeed using different 
> programming languages). Whatever the platform, there are metrics on the 
> complexity the level of automation and the computational efficiency that can 
> be developed. With a set of metrics it would be easier to measure the 
> similarity and difference between software.
>
> Sorry, having rambled on I realise that I have gone a bit off topic, I expect 
> this has already been suggested and is being worked on, I've dared not to 
> read the entire thread before posting, and I have very little time to help 
> get this in place! Also I have not replied to the very last post on this 
> thread but one a bit back as these others have spun off in other important 
> directions.
>
> Anyway, you have my moral support, thanks for all your efforts developing the 
> OSGeo website, educational resources, services and software.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Andy
> http://www.geog.leeds.ac.uk/people/a.turner/index.html
>



Hi Andy,

Somehow we are already including this. Although, it's true, we didin't
distinguish between client and server, which could be quite confusing
(to improve!). For example, for GeoNetwork, find attached image.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proprietary GIS on our OSGeo website

[María Arias de Reyna]

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Helmut Kudrnovsky  wrote:
> Moreover I wonder that no one react on my main sentence:
>
> "I'm pretty much convinced that more effort to help our OSGeo projects
> improving on every level (e.g. documentation, reach out, testing, etc) is
> the key rather than linking to proprietary software. One of such
> opportunities may be the upcoming Google Code In (GCI) 2017 e.g. to produce
> nice screenshots for documentation, produce some fancy videos etc. based on
> tiny little tasks for students aged 13 to 17. A good invest in the young who
> will be our OSGeo's future."


I didn't react to that because I see this conclusion as obviously good
as you see it :) I am not sure if that is the intended purpose of this
type of programs (shouldn't they code?) but for sure, showcases videos
and tutorials are very nice for promoting the software.

In fact, publishing blog posts comparing closed and FLOSS is also very
helpful. If you are doubting what kind of software to use, a good
comparison with table feature comparisons is very handy But that
should be outside the project page, because we are not begging for
users. We are strong projects on our own, we don't need to keep
continuously comparing to the closed alternatives for users to know
what we do.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proprietary GIS on our OSGeo website

[María Arias de Reyna]

>> On 20 September 2017 at 02:41, Helmut Kudrnovsky  wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear OSGeo community
>>>
>>> I want to bring you a discussion on a github ticket about linking to
>>> "similar proprietary products" [1] to your attention.
>>>
>>> My comment there:
>>>
>>> "I support and concur with Venka that the item "Similar Proprietary
>>> Products" should be removed. There isn't only one proprietary GIS software
>>> out there, there are several others. IMHO such comparisons may be part of
>>> e.g. a reviewed scientific paper/elaboration, where our OSGeo projects - if
>>> they want to - may link to. I see no added value for OSGeo to serve such
>>> links. As already elsewhere mentioned by me, reciprocity is the key if such
>>> items are listed, but I can't see this happen. "
>>>
>>> I'm pretty much convinced that more effort to help our OSGeo projects
>>> improving on every level (e.g. documentation, reach out, testing, etc) is
>>> the key rather than linking to proprietary software. One of such
>>> opportunities may be the upcoming Google Code In (GCI) 2017 e.g. to produce
>>> nice screenshots for documentation, produce some fancy videos etc. based on
>>> tiny little tasks for students aged 13 to 17. A good invest in the young who
>>> will be our OSGeo's future.
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>> Helmut
>>> OSGeo charter member
>>>
>>> [1] https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/issues/100
>>> [2] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2017-September/036217.html
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Hi,

On my opinion, it makes sense to show relation between propietary and
free and open software. Just because we want to people to migrate to
free and open source software, so it is good if they can search for
the software they are currently using to know what software will they
use. It makes sense, it makes life easier on migrations.

Said this, I prefer the "Migrate from" label much better. And sure, no
link to the product, just the name. Why would we need a link? If they
don't know what that software is, the information is useless to them.
If they already know what that software is, the information is
redundant. So having a name is fine, having a link is nonsense.

Is "Migrate from" label aggresive? Not at all. We are OsGeo, we are
promoting FLOSS. Promoting FLOSS means we are encouraging people to
move from propietary to open. That is our philosophy, that is our
motto. If propietary software feels bad because we follow our goals...
well, then maybe they should stop promoting their own software too
because that makes me feel bad.

Regards,
María.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership process & email

[María Arias de Reyna]

On Sep 8, 2017 6:46 PM, "Massimiliano Cannata" <
massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch> wrote:

Why not just nominate people on the list but collect seconding on online
system, like a form? SImilar to those for voting presentation at foss4g!!!


In previous years it was like this and people still flood with +1. Also,
this year people were sending proposals directly to the list instead of to
the cro.

We are rebels by nature. People will still send things to the list.



Cheers
Maxi

2017-09-08 17:56 GMT+02:00 Jody Garnett :

> The other point in favour of email is the discussion aspect, with the
> board only reviewing -1 votes we are relying our the discussion list to
> review candidates.
>
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
> On 8 September 2017 at 07:36, Jorge Sanz  wrote:
>
>> Agree, I don't think I'd like a nomination period + election being
>> carried on with some editings in the wiki and a silent mailing list except
>> by some announcements.
>>
>> On the other hand, answering with a +1 on a mailing list is quick and
>> easy (and annoying if you don't use filters on your email).
>>
>> The off list option, like adding a comment on the wiki, (IMO) would be
>> followed by fewer people and read by even fewer people. We are all lazy by
>> nature, and an election process is not the most exciting activity we do.
>>
>> I agree the process can be improved, but when thinking about election
>> procedures, as boring as they are, we need to put the reduction of
>> participation barriers as a top priority if we want to reach the broadest
>> audience, at least once per year.
>>
>> Anyway, I'm super happy to see such a big number of nominations, and I
>> want to thank Vasile for the hard work and long hours he's dedicating to
>> try to cup with such a demonstration of enthusiasm.
>>
>> My 2 cents
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8 September 2017 at 15:15, Volker Mische 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I think it's valuable to have the nominations being sent to the discuss
>>> list, but I agree that seconding them should be off list.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>   Volker
>>>
>>>
>>> On 09/08/2017 01:01 PM, brandon whitehead wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > A potentially trivial change would be to keep the process the same, but
>>> > run through the wiki---i.e. use a wiki page as the venue for nominators
>>> > to log in and update/edit.  Freeze the page after a certain date, and
>>> > now there's an archived copy of the process.  Anyone interested in
>>> > real-time updates can simply log in and "follow" the page, others can
>>> > visit the page and check the results as they see fit.
>>> >
>>> > Note, this is conceptually the same process for nomination and voting,
>>> > but it is collated via the wiki instead of email.  This also doesn't
>>> > involve additional work to create an automated system.
>>> >
>>> > just a few thoughts from an interested lurker...
>>> > /Brandon
>>> >
>>> > On 08/09/2017 11:34, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >>
>>> >> There was a discussion with the CROs at yesterday's board meeting,
>>> and a
>>> >> proposal to use an automated system for nominations came up.
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers,
>>> >> Angelos
>>> >>
>>> >> On 09/08/2017 01:01 PM, Till Adams wrote:
>>> >>> Jeroen,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> good motion! I feel the same and honestly am not able to read and
>>> check
>>> >>> them all...
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Till
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Am 08.09.2017 um 11:54 schrieb Jeroen Ticheler:
>>>  Hi all,
>>>  It is great to see the OSGeo community being so active and
>>> expanding!
>>>  The process of proposing and voting new members is an extremely
>>>  valuable part of that!
>>> 
>>>  The downside is that email traffic is exploding around this
>>> election.
>>>  I fear the election processes in the coming years already. Should we
>>>  find another way so propose and second nominees in the future to
>>>  avoid flooding everyones inbox? (For me these emails seem to make up
>>>  for about half of my email traffic over the last weeks ;-( ).
>>> 
>>>  Cheers,
>>>  Jeroen
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