Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure
Dear all, The only concern is that stars are often identified with quality of things (tripadvisor example) while the stars we are talking about are only graduation level. For this reason I would propose to use something different from stars, maybe using colors from yellow to green or different icons (code provenance passed, etc.) My 0.21 cents ;-) Maxi Il giorno ven 6 mar 2015 alle ore 09:08 Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com ha scritto: Guys, you are all naming it. I think, current incubation process does not work for reasons: 1 - incubation procedure is designed for big projects, big steps 2 - new projects are likely never pass it 3 - it does not cover the post-incbuation time result: only few projects proceeded to incubation recently, and incubation itself is long-term pain in you know where, instead of taking one big take-them-all steps, to transform it to smaller, easier to pass steps so there would be approach. and even projects with not huge ambitions, would be part of our family. already started to sort out current checklist at, please continue http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/5-star-rating J čt 5. 3. 2015 v 23:53 odesílatel Angelos Tzotsos gcpp.kal...@gmail.com napsal: Hi, For pycsw, we started code review discussion during FOSS4G 2014 Code Sprint, but the actual review happened within 2-3 weeks. Best, Angelos On 03/06/2015 12:19 AM, Jody Garnett wrote: I completely understand Daniel, I think a star belittles the amount of work (and operational change) involved in meeting OSGeo's requirements. If it helps I am not talking about diluting incubation, instead opening up to more projects (by forgoing the requirement to have a mentor). All projects in incubation would be operating against the same graduation checklist. All of the projects in incubation currently have made significant progress, most are just waiting on a sprint or sponsor to grind through their code review. I wonder if pycsw could share how long their code review took? -- Jody Garnett On 5 March 2015 at 11:57, Daniel Morissette dmorisse...@mapgears.com dmorisse...@mapgears.com wrote: I'm not sure I like diluting the Incubated Project status by turning it into a star rating in which incubated and non-incubated projects are mixed. Incubated projects have taken steps to review their code and adjust their way to operate to meet several requirements, and just a set of stars do not relay that properly to the outside world. That being said, I have no alternative name to offer for the OSGeo Labs pre-incubation status at the moment, so I'll stay out of the debate. Daniel On 2015-03-05 5:52 AM, Bart van den Eijnden wrote: Or you’re saying you want to address this with the stars system? So 1 star for existing labs projects for instance? Jody, as chair of the incubation committee, what’s your take on this? Best regards, Bart On 05 Mar 2015, at 11:51, Bart van den Eijnden bart...@osgis.nl mailto:bart...@osgis.nl bart...@osgis.nl wrote: I don’t think you can put projects that have gone through incubation and the projects that still have to incubate at the same level. But that’s my opinion only. Best regards, Bart On 05 Mar 2015, at 11:18, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com mailto:jachym.cepi...@gmail.com jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: Guys, I think you are trying to find a term for something, I would like to get rid of. OSGeo Project is, what I would like to achieve for both - today's projects and labs together under one hat. Or anybody thinks completely different? Just my $.02 J čt 5. 3. 2015 v 9:08 odesílatel Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.ukmailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk napsal: Yes, i think Incubator Projects is an appropriate name for this. Vaclav - Is this ok for you? Suchith __ From: Bart van den Eijnden [bart...@osgis.nl mailto:bart...@osgis.nl bart...@osgis.nl] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:34 AM To: Vaclav Petras Cc: Suchith Anand; discuss@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org discuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure I agree Community Projects is a confusing name. What about incubator projects? That’s the term that Apache uses. http://incubator.apache.org http://incubator.apache.org/ http://incubator.apache.org/ Best regards, Bart On 04 Mar 2015, at 23:25, Vaclav Petras wenzesl...@gmail.com mailto:wenzesl...@gmail.com wenzesl...@gmail.commailto:w__enzesl...@gmail.com w__enzesl...@gmail.com mailto:wenzesl...@gmail.com wenzesl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.__uk mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.ukmailto:Suchith.Anand@__ Suchith.Anand@__nottingham.ac.uk
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure
To clarify this: I just got inspired by the open data classification. It also does not tell anything about the data itself, it's pure about how open they are. But I really do not stick to stars to much. J On Fri, Mar 6, 2015, 16:01 Massimiliano Cannata massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch wrote: Dear all, The only concern is that stars are often identified with quality of things (tripadvisor example) while the stars we are talking about are only graduation level. For this reason I would propose to use something different from stars, maybe using colors from yellow to green or different icons (code provenance passed, etc.) My 0.21 cents ;-) Maxi Il giorno ven 6 mar 2015 alle ore 09:08 Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com ha scritto: Guys, you are all naming it. I think, current incubation process does not work for reasons: 1 - incubation procedure is designed for big projects, big steps 2 - new projects are likely never pass it 3 - it does not cover the post-incbuation time result: only few projects proceeded to incubation recently, and incubation itself is long-term pain in you know where, instead of taking one big take-them-all steps, to transform it to smaller, easier to pass steps so there would be approach. and even projects with not huge ambitions, would be part of our family. already started to sort out current checklist at, please continue http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/5-star-rating J čt 5. 3. 2015 v 23:53 odesílatel Angelos Tzotsos gcpp.kal...@gmail.com napsal: Hi, For pycsw, we started code review discussion during FOSS4G 2014 Code Sprint, but the actual review happened within 2-3 weeks. Best, Angelos On 03/06/2015 12:19 AM, Jody Garnett wrote: I completely understand Daniel, I think a star belittles the amount of work (and operational change) involved in meeting OSGeo's requirements. If it helps I am not talking about diluting incubation, instead opening up to more projects (by forgoing the requirement to have a mentor). All projects in incubation would be operating against the same graduation checklist. All of the projects in incubation currently have made significant progress, most are just waiting on a sprint or sponsor to grind through their code review. I wonder if pycsw could share how long their code review took? -- Jody Garnett On 5 March 2015 at 11:57, Daniel Morissette dmorisse...@mapgears.com dmorisse...@mapgears.com wrote: I'm not sure I like diluting the Incubated Project status by turning it into a star rating in which incubated and non-incubated projects are mixed. Incubated projects have taken steps to review their code and adjust their way to operate to meet several requirements, and just a set of stars do not relay that properly to the outside world. That being said, I have no alternative name to offer for the OSGeo Labs pre-incubation status at the moment, so I'll stay out of the debate. Daniel On 2015-03-05 5:52 AM, Bart van den Eijnden wrote: Or you’re saying you want to address this with the stars system? So 1 star for existing labs projects for instance? Jody, as chair of the incubation committee, what’s your take on this? Best regards, Bart On 05 Mar 2015, at 11:51, Bart van den Eijnden bart...@osgis.nl mailto:bart...@osgis.nl bart...@osgis.nl wrote: I don’t think you can put projects that have gone through incubation and the projects that still have to incubate at the same level. But that’s my opinion only. Best regards, Bart On 05 Mar 2015, at 11:18, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com mailto:jachym.cepi...@gmail.com jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: Guys, I think you are trying to find a term for something, I would like to get rid of. OSGeo Project is, what I would like to achieve for both - today's projects and labs together under one hat. Or anybody thinks completely different? Just my $.02 J čt 5. 3. 2015 v 9:08 odesílatel Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.ukmailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk napsal: Yes, i think Incubator Projects is an appropriate name for this. Vaclav - Is this ok for you? Suchith __ From: Bart van den Eijnden [bart...@osgis.nl mailto:bart...@osgis.nl bart...@osgis.nl] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:34 AM To: Vaclav Petras Cc: Suchith Anand; discuss@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org discuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure I agree Community Projects is a confusing name. What about incubator projects? That’s the term that Apache uses. http://incubator.apache.org http://incubator.apache.org/ http://incubator.apache.org/ Best regards, Bart On 04 Mar 2015, at 23:25, Vaclav Petras wenzesl...@gmail.com mailto:wenzesl...@gmail.com wenzesl...@gmail.commailto:w__enzesl...@gmail.com
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure
hm, what about replacing the anonymous stars by concrete fulfilments? A project might earn fulfilments, such as has PC, successful code review, etc. All it would require is to boil down the requirements into a 1-digit number of sections, each one earning one named star then. My main argument for this is achievement transparency for the reader. Links under the stars might explain the meaning, or refer to the individual project's mentor assessment on the particular facet. Again, this would increase transparency IMHO. my 0.02, Peter On 03/05/2015 09:13 PM, Stephen Woodbridge wrote: I think the idea would be that an Incubated Project would have meet all the basic stars. Obviously the steps that get you to be incubated are the same steps that a project have to achieve to get stars. It seems like there are goals to get you to incubated and then goals to get you to graduated. But really it is a continuous process of achievement with milestones along the way that can be easily verified. Regardless of a name, it seems like having a progressive well defined path than can be managed under by the same program and that minimizes the effort by OSGeo staff in the initial steps would be a good thing for everyone involved. This should not be diluting anyone's efforts as long as it is clear what the stars means in the way of progress and effort of the projects involved. -Steve W On 3/5/2015 2:57 PM, Daniel Morissette wrote: I'm not sure I like diluting the Incubated Project status by turning it into a star rating in which incubated and non-incubated projects are mixed. Incubated projects have taken steps to review their code and adjust their way to operate to meet several requirements, and just a set of stars do not relay that properly to the outside world. That being said, I have no alternative name to offer for the OSGeo Labs pre-incubation status at the moment, so I'll stay out of the debate. Daniel On 2015-03-05 5:52 AM, Bart van den Eijnden wrote: Or you’re saying you want to address this with the stars system? So 1 star for existing labs projects for instance? Jody, as chair of the incubation committee, what’s your take on this? Best regards, Bart On 05 Mar 2015, at 11:51, Bart van den Eijnden bart...@osgis.nl mailto:bart...@osgis.nl wrote: I don’t think you can put projects that have gone through incubation and the projects that still have to incubate at the same level. But that’s my opinion only. Best regards, Bart On 05 Mar 2015, at 11:18, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com mailto:jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: Guys, I think you are trying to find a term for something, I would like to get rid of. OSGeo Project is, what I would like to achieve for both - today's projects and labs together under one hat. Or anybody thinks completely different? Just my $.02 J čt 5. 3. 2015 v 9:08 odesílatel Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk napsal: Yes, i think Incubator Projects is an appropriate name for this. Vaclav - Is this ok for you? Suchith __ From: Bart van den Eijnden [bart...@osgis.nl mailto:bart...@osgis.nl] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:34 AM To: Vaclav Petras Cc: Suchith Anand; discuss@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure I agree Community Projects is a confusing name. What about incubator projects? That’s the term that Apache uses. http://incubator.apache.org http://incubator.apache.org/ Best regards, Bart On 04 Mar 2015, at 23:25, Vaclav Petras wenzesl...@gmail.com mailto:wenzesl...@gmail.commailto:w__enzesl...@gmail.com mailto:wenzesl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.__uk mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.ukmailto:Suchith.Anand@__nottingham.ac.uk mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk wrote: Thanks Jeff. Though we had lots of discussions afterwards and continuing on this , we couldnt find any solution till now. So this might be a good opportunity to modify the Incubation's labs term, to something like Community Projects to avoid confusion if that is acceptable to Vaclav, Jachym and others. Many thanks. Well, I'm not particularly fond of Community Projects as a name. Even mature FOSS projects are community projects in one way or the other. Unfortunately, I don't have other suggestion. Vaclav Suchith __ From: discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.__org mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss-bounces@__lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.__org mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss-bounces@__lists.osgeo.org
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure
I'm not sure I like diluting the Incubated Project status by turning it into a star rating in which incubated and non-incubated projects are mixed. Incubated projects have taken steps to review their code and adjust their way to operate to meet several requirements, and just a set of stars do not relay that properly to the outside world. That being said, I have no alternative name to offer for the OSGeo Labs pre-incubation status at the moment, so I'll stay out of the debate. Daniel On 2015-03-05 5:52 AM, Bart van den Eijnden wrote: Or you’re saying you want to address this with the stars system? So 1 star for existing labs projects for instance? Jody, as chair of the incubation committee, what’s your take on this? Best regards, Bart On 05 Mar 2015, at 11:51, Bart van den Eijnden bart...@osgis.nl mailto:bart...@osgis.nl wrote: I don’t think you can put projects that have gone through incubation and the projects that still have to incubate at the same level. But that’s my opinion only. Best regards, Bart On 05 Mar 2015, at 11:18, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com mailto:jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: Guys, I think you are trying to find a term for something, I would like to get rid of. OSGeo Project is, what I would like to achieve for both - today's projects and labs together under one hat. Or anybody thinks completely different? Just my $.02 J čt 5. 3. 2015 v 9:08 odesílatel Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk napsal: Yes, i think Incubator Projects is an appropriate name for this. Vaclav - Is this ok for you? Suchith __ From: Bart van den Eijnden [bart...@osgis.nl mailto:bart...@osgis.nl] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:34 AM To: Vaclav Petras Cc: Suchith Anand; discuss@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure I agree Community Projects is a confusing name. What about incubator projects? That’s the term that Apache uses. http://incubator.apache.org http://incubator.apache.org/ Best regards, Bart On 04 Mar 2015, at 23:25, Vaclav Petras wenzesl...@gmail.com mailto:wenzesl...@gmail.commailto:w__enzesl...@gmail.com mailto:wenzesl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.__uk mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.ukmailto:Suchith.Anand@__nottingham.ac.uk mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk wrote: Thanks Jeff. Though we had lots of discussions afterwards and continuing on this , we couldnt find any solution till now. So this might be a good opportunity to modify the Incubation's labs term, to something like Community Projects to avoid confusion if that is acceptable to Vaclav, Jachym and others. Many thanks. Well, I'm not particularly fond of Community Projects as a name. Even mature FOSS projects are community projects in one way or the other. Unfortunately, I don't have other suggestion. Vaclav Suchith __ From: discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.__org mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss-bounces@__lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.__org mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss-bounces@__lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jeff McKenna [jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com mailto:jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com__mailto:jmckenna@__gatewaygeomatics.com mailto:jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:26 PM To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org__mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org__ Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure (we are approaching 2 full years that this labs naming has been an issue and discussed[1]) Today, knowing how ingrained the term 'lab' is in the GeoForAll education network, maybe Jachym is correct that it is a good time to modify the Incubation's labs term, to something like Community Projects. [1] http://lists.osgeo.org/__pipermail/ica-osgeo-labs/2013-__June/000134.html http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/ica-osgeo-labs/2013-June/000134.html -jeff On 2015-03-03 3:42 AM, Suchith Anand wrote: Vaclav, Please accept my sincere apologies as it was my mistake that i did not think on this when we started the ICA-OSGeo Labs initiative (so many things were going on at that time!). In universities, we generally use the Labs term to refer to infrastructure/people/__facilities for a particular subject. For example Botany Lab, Robotics Lab etc. And we wanted to make sure there is a dedicated Open Source Geospatial Lab in universities worldwide (which
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure
I think the idea would be that an Incubated Project would have meet all the basic stars. Obviously the steps that get you to be incubated are the same steps that a project have to achieve to get stars. It seems like there are goals to get you to incubated and then goals to get you to graduated. But really it is a continuous process of achievement with milestones along the way that can be easily verified. Regardless of a name, it seems like having a progressive well defined path than can be managed under by the same program and that minimizes the effort by OSGeo staff in the initial steps would be a good thing for everyone involved. This should not be diluting anyone's efforts as long as it is clear what the stars means in the way of progress and effort of the projects involved. -Steve W On 3/5/2015 2:57 PM, Daniel Morissette wrote: I'm not sure I like diluting the Incubated Project status by turning it into a star rating in which incubated and non-incubated projects are mixed. Incubated projects have taken steps to review their code and adjust their way to operate to meet several requirements, and just a set of stars do not relay that properly to the outside world. That being said, I have no alternative name to offer for the OSGeo Labs pre-incubation status at the moment, so I'll stay out of the debate. Daniel On 2015-03-05 5:52 AM, Bart van den Eijnden wrote: Or you’re saying you want to address this with the stars system? So 1 star for existing labs projects for instance? Jody, as chair of the incubation committee, what’s your take on this? Best regards, Bart On 05 Mar 2015, at 11:51, Bart van den Eijnden bart...@osgis.nl mailto:bart...@osgis.nl wrote: I don’t think you can put projects that have gone through incubation and the projects that still have to incubate at the same level. But that’s my opinion only. Best regards, Bart On 05 Mar 2015, at 11:18, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com mailto:jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: Guys, I think you are trying to find a term for something, I would like to get rid of. OSGeo Project is, what I would like to achieve for both - today's projects and labs together under one hat. Or anybody thinks completely different? Just my $.02 J čt 5. 3. 2015 v 9:08 odesílatel Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk napsal: Yes, i think Incubator Projects is an appropriate name for this. Vaclav - Is this ok for you? Suchith __ From: Bart van den Eijnden [bart...@osgis.nl mailto:bart...@osgis.nl] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:34 AM To: Vaclav Petras Cc: Suchith Anand; discuss@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure I agree Community Projects is a confusing name. What about incubator projects? That’s the term that Apache uses. http://incubator.apache.org http://incubator.apache.org/ Best regards, Bart On 04 Mar 2015, at 23:25, Vaclav Petras wenzesl...@gmail.com mailto:wenzesl...@gmail.commailto:w__enzesl...@gmail.com mailto:wenzesl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.__uk mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.ukmailto:Suchith.Anand@__nottingham.ac.uk mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk wrote: Thanks Jeff. Though we had lots of discussions afterwards and continuing on this , we couldnt find any solution till now. So this might be a good opportunity to modify the Incubation's labs term, to something like Community Projects to avoid confusion if that is acceptable to Vaclav, Jachym and others. Many thanks. Well, I'm not particularly fond of Community Projects as a name. Even mature FOSS projects are community projects in one way or the other. Unfortunately, I don't have other suggestion. Vaclav Suchith __ From: discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.__org mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss-bounces@__lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.__org mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss-bounces@__lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jeff McKenna [jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com mailto:jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com__mailto:jmckenna@__gatewaygeomatics.com mailto:jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:26 PM To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org__mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org__ Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure (we are approaching 2 full years that this labs naming has been an issue and discussed[1]) Today, knowing how ingrained the term 'lab' is in the GeoForAll education network, maybe Jachym
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure
I completely understand Daniel, I think a star belittles the amount of work (and operational change) involved in meeting OSGeo's requirements. If it helps I am not talking about diluting incubation, instead opening up to more projects (by forgoing the requirement to have a mentor). All projects in incubation would be operating against the same graduation checklist. All of the projects in incubation currently have made significant progress, most are just waiting on a sprint or sponsor to grind through their code review. I wonder if pycsw could share how long their code review took? -- Jody Garnett On 5 March 2015 at 11:57, Daniel Morissette dmorisse...@mapgears.com wrote: I'm not sure I like diluting the Incubated Project status by turning it into a star rating in which incubated and non-incubated projects are mixed. Incubated projects have taken steps to review their code and adjust their way to operate to meet several requirements, and just a set of stars do not relay that properly to the outside world. That being said, I have no alternative name to offer for the OSGeo Labs pre-incubation status at the moment, so I'll stay out of the debate. Daniel On 2015-03-05 5:52 AM, Bart van den Eijnden wrote: Or you’re saying you want to address this with the stars system? So 1 star for existing labs projects for instance? Jody, as chair of the incubation committee, what’s your take on this? Best regards, Bart On 05 Mar 2015, at 11:51, Bart van den Eijnden bart...@osgis.nl mailto:bart...@osgis.nl wrote: I don’t think you can put projects that have gone through incubation and the projects that still have to incubate at the same level. But that’s my opinion only. Best regards, Bart On 05 Mar 2015, at 11:18, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com mailto:jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: Guys, I think you are trying to find a term for something, I would like to get rid of. OSGeo Project is, what I would like to achieve for both - today's projects and labs together under one hat. Or anybody thinks completely different? Just my $.02 J čt 5. 3. 2015 v 9:08 odesílatel Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk napsal: Yes, i think Incubator Projects is an appropriate name for this. Vaclav - Is this ok for you? Suchith __ From: Bart van den Eijnden [bart...@osgis.nl mailto:bart...@osgis.nl] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:34 AM To: Vaclav Petras Cc: Suchith Anand; discuss@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure I agree Community Projects is a confusing name. What about incubator projects? That’s the term that Apache uses. http://incubator.apache.org http://incubator.apache.org/ Best regards, Bart On 04 Mar 2015, at 23:25, Vaclav Petras wenzesl...@gmail.com mailto:wenzesl...@gmail.commailto:w__enzesl...@gmail.com mailto:wenzesl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.__uk mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.ukmailto:Suchith.Anand@__ nottingham.ac.uk mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk wrote: Thanks Jeff. Though we had lots of discussions afterwards and continuing on this , we couldnt find any solution till now. So this might be a good opportunity to modify the Incubation's labs term, to something like Community Projects to avoid confusion if that is acceptable to Vaclav, Jachym and others. Many thanks. Well, I'm not particularly fond of Community Projects as a name. Even mature FOSS projects are community projects in one way or the other. Unfortunately, I don't have other suggestion. Vaclav Suchith __ From: discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.__org mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss-bounces@__ lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.__org mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss-bounces@__ lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jeff McKenna [jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com mailto:jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com__mailto:jmckenna@__ gatewaygeomatics.com mailto:jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:26 PM To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org__mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org__ Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure (we are approaching 2 full years that this labs naming has been an issue and discussed[1]) Today, knowing how ingrained the term 'lab' is in the GeoForAll education network, maybe Jachym is correct that it is a good time to modify the Incubation's labs term
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Hi, For pycsw, we started code review discussion during FOSS4G 2014 Code Sprint, but the actual review happened within 2-3 weeks. Best, Angelos On 03/06/2015 12:19 AM, Jody Garnett wrote: I completely understand Daniel, I think a star belittles the amount of work (and operational change) involved in meeting OSGeo's requirements. If it helps I am not talking about diluting incubation, instead opening up to more projects (by forgoing the requirement to have a mentor). All projects in incubation would be operating against the same graduation checklist. All of the projects in incubation currently have made significant progress, most are just waiting on a sprint or sponsor to grind through their code review. I wonder if pycsw could share how long their code review took? -- Jody Garnett On 5 March 2015 at 11:57, Daniel Morissette dmorisse...@mapgears.com wrote: I'm not sure I like diluting the Incubated Project status by turning it into a star rating in which incubated and non-incubated projects are mixed. Incubated projects have taken steps to review their code and adjust their way to operate to meet several requirements, and just a set of stars do not relay that properly to the outside world. That being said, I have no alternative name to offer for the OSGeo Labs pre-incubation status at the moment, so I'll stay out of the debate. Daniel On 2015-03-05 5:52 AM, Bart van den Eijnden wrote: Or you’re saying you want to address this with the stars system? So 1 star for existing labs projects for instance? Jody, as chair of the incubation committee, what’s your take on this? Best regards, Bart On 05 Mar 2015, at 11:51, Bart van den Eijnden bart...@osgis.nl mailto:bart...@osgis.nl wrote: I don’t think you can put projects that have gone through incubation and the projects that still have to incubate at the same level. But that’s my opinion only. Best regards, Bart On 05 Mar 2015, at 11:18, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com mailto:jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: Guys, I think you are trying to find a term for something, I would like to get rid of. OSGeo Project is, what I would like to achieve for both - today's projects and labs together under one hat. Or anybody thinks completely different? Just my $.02 J čt 5. 3. 2015 v 9:08 odesílatel Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk napsal: Yes, i think Incubator Projects is an appropriate name for this. Vaclav - Is this ok for you? Suchith __ From: Bart van den Eijnden [bart...@osgis.nl mailto:bart...@osgis.nl] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:34 AM To: Vaclav Petras Cc: Suchith Anand; discuss@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure I agree Community Projects is a confusing name. What about incubator projects? That’s the term that Apache uses. http://incubator.apache.org http://incubator.apache.org/ Best regards, Bart On 04 Mar 2015, at 23:25, Vaclav Petras wenzesl...@gmail.com mailto:wenzesl...@gmail.commailto:w__enzesl...@gmail.com mailto:wenzesl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.__uk mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.ukmailto:Suchith.Anand@__ nottingham.ac.uk mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk wrote: Thanks Jeff. Though we had lots of discussions afterwards and continuing on this , we couldnt find any solution till now. So this might be a good opportunity to modify the Incubation's labs term, to something like Community Projects to avoid confusion if that is acceptable to Vaclav, Jachym and others. Many thanks. Well, I'm not particularly fond of Community Projects as a name. Even mature FOSS projects are community projects in one way or the other. Unfortunately, I don't have other suggestion. Vaclav Suchith __ From: discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.__org mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss-bounces@__ lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.__org mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss-bounces@__ lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jeff McKenna [jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com mailto:jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com__mailto:jmckenna@__ gatewaygeomatics.com mailto:jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:26 PM To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org__mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org__ Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure (we are approaching 2 full years that this labs naming has been an issue and discussed[1]) Today, knowing
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I think this is a good idea and I like the transparency. We might want both a verbose and a compact presentation of their progress. For example if you listed all the projects (like: one line for each) it would be nice to be able to rank them or show what their progress is toward completing their acceptance into OSGeo in a compact way. Something like: [status] [Project name[url]] Short description ... or in longer form: [Project name[url]] [Short description] [Long description] [detailed status] ... where [status] could be stars or equivalent that link to a detailed description of that it means and [detailed status] might be a list of steps required and the status of progress through the steps. As part of our branding we might want to setup requirements for how these are presented and linked. In this way we some control over our brand and how projects can use it in this process. -Steve W On 3/5/2015 3:25 PM, Peter Baumann wrote: hm, what about replacing the anonymous stars by concrete fulfilments? A project might earn fulfilments, such as has PC, successful code review, etc. All it would require is to boil down the requirements into a 1-digit number of sections, each one earning one named star then. My main argument for this is achievement transparency for the reader. Links under the stars might explain the meaning, or refer to the individual project's mentor assessment on the particular facet. Again, this would increase transparency IMHO. my 0.02, Peter On 03/05/2015 09:13 PM, Stephen Woodbridge wrote: I think the idea would be that an Incubated Project would have meet all the basic stars. Obviously the steps that get you to be incubated are the same steps that a project have to achieve to get stars. It seems like there are goals to get you to incubated and then goals to get you to graduated. But really it is a continuous process of achievement with milestones along the way that can be easily verified. Regardless of a name, it seems like having a progressive well defined path than can be managed under by the same program and that minimizes the effort by OSGeo staff in the initial steps would be a good thing for everyone involved. This should not be diluting anyone's efforts as long as it is clear what the stars means in the way of progress and effort of the projects involved. -Steve W On 3/5/2015 2:57 PM, Daniel Morissette wrote: I'm not sure I like diluting the Incubated Project status by turning it into a star rating in which incubated and non-incubated projects are mixed. Incubated projects have taken steps to review their code and adjust their way to operate to meet several requirements, and just a set of stars do not relay that properly to the outside world. That being said, I have no alternative name to offer for the OSGeo Labs pre-incubation status at the moment, so I'll stay out of the debate. Daniel On 2015-03-05 5:52 AM, Bart van den Eijnden wrote: Or you’re saying you want to address this with the stars system? So 1 star for existing labs projects for instance? Jody, as chair of the incubation committee, what’s your take on this? Best regards, Bart On 05 Mar 2015, at 11:51, Bart van den Eijnden bart...@osgis.nl mailto:bart...@osgis.nl wrote: I don’t think you can put projects that have gone through incubation and the projects that still have to incubate at the same level. But that’s my opinion only. Best regards, Bart On 05 Mar 2015, at 11:18, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com mailto:jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: Guys, I think you are trying to find a term for something, I would like to get rid of. OSGeo Project is, what I would like to achieve for both - today's projects and labs together under one hat. Or anybody thinks completely different? Just my $.02 J čt 5. 3. 2015 v 9:08 odesílatel Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk napsal: Yes, i think Incubator Projects is an appropriate name for this. Vaclav - Is this ok for you? Suchith __ From: Bart van den Eijnden [bart...@osgis.nl mailto:bart...@osgis.nl] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:34 AM To: Vaclav Petras Cc: Suchith Anand; discuss@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure I agree Community Projects is a confusing name. What about incubator projects? That’s the term that Apache uses. http://incubator.apache.org http://incubator.apache.org/ Best regards, Bart On 04 Mar 2015, at 23:25, Vaclav Petras wenzesl...@gmail.com mailto:wenzesl...@gmail.commailto:w__enzesl...@gmail.com mailto:wenzesl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.__uk mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.ukmailto:Suchith.Anand@__nottingham.ac.uk mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk wrote: Thanks
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Yes, i think Incubator Projects is an appropriate name for this. Vaclav - Is this ok for you? Suchith From: Bart van den Eijnden [bart...@osgis.nl] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:34 AM To: Vaclav Petras Cc: Suchith Anand; discuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure I agree Community Projects is a confusing name. What about incubator projects? That’s the term that Apache uses. http://incubator.apache.org Best regards, Bart On 04 Mar 2015, at 23:25, Vaclav Petras wenzesl...@gmail.commailto:wenzesl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.ukmailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk wrote: Thanks Jeff. Though we had lots of discussions afterwards and continuing on this , we couldnt find any solution till now. So this might be a good opportunity to modify the Incubation's labs term, to something like Community Projects to avoid confusion if that is acceptable to Vaclav, Jachym and others. Many thanks. Well, I'm not particularly fond of Community Projects as a name. Even mature FOSS projects are community projects in one way or the other. Unfortunately, I don't have other suggestion. Vaclav Suchith From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jeff McKenna [jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.commailto:jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:26 PM To: discuss@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure (we are approaching 2 full years that this labs naming has been an issue and discussed[1]) Today, knowing how ingrained the term 'lab' is in the GeoForAll education network, maybe Jachym is correct that it is a good time to modify the Incubation's labs term, to something like Community Projects. [1] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/ica-osgeo-labs/2013-June/000134.html -jeff On 2015-03-03 3:42 AM, Suchith Anand wrote: Vaclav, Please accept my sincere apologies as it was my mistake that i did not think on this when we started the ICA-OSGeo Labs initiative (so many things were going on at that time!). In universities, we generally use the Labs term to refer to infrastructure/people/facilities for a particular subject. For example Botany Lab, Robotics Lab etc. And we wanted to make sure there is a dedicated Open Source Geospatial Lab in universities worldwide (which includes bringing together people from various disciplines, infrastructure (the physical space) and facilities to make this happen. Also it is easier to make use of the same terminology/structure of Labs which is widely used in the university environment to get academics start the initiative in their respective universities (also it is easier for them to convince their higher management on a structure that is known to them than reinvent a new term for this) . So it will very helpful for us if you can make use of new OSGeo-projects and metioned star (or similar) rating system for the incubation as then there is no confusion in the future. Many thanks for your consideration. Best wishes, Suchith From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jachym Cepicky [jachym.cepi...@gmail.commailto:jachym.cepi...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 7:27 AM To: Vaclav Petras Cc: OSGeo Discussions; incuba...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:incuba...@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure Vašku, just side note: yes, whith the new Labs initiative OSGeo-Labs have to change their name. My idea would rather be to get rid of current OSGeo- labs and projects and start with new OSGeo-projects and metioned star (or similar) rating system. Than for current OSGeo-Labs OSGeo-project level 1 would make it (or similar) Jachym po 2. 3. 2015 v 18:33 odesílatel Vaclav Petras wenzesl...@gmail.commailto:wenzesl...@gmail.commailto:wenzesl...@gmail.commailto:wenzesl...@gmail.com napsal: On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.commailto:jachym.cepi...@gmail.commailto:jachym.cepi...@gmail.commailto:jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: former OSGeo Labs (now it has no name is slowly forgotten in past, but you can find more at http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs) Hi Jachym, do you think that with the renewal you can replace the name OSGeo Labs by something else? Now we have also ISPRS-ICA-OSGeo Research and Educational laboratories which might be often shortened to OSGeo Labs, although I prefer OSGeoRELs for writing. The mainling list is ica-osgeo-labs. Put perhaps it is not such an issue since the term Geo for All
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I don’t think you can put projects that have gone through incubation and the projects that still have to incubate at the same level. But that’s my opinion only. Best regards, Bart On 05 Mar 2015, at 11:18, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: Guys, I think you are trying to find a term for something, I would like to get rid of. OSGeo Project is, what I would like to achieve for both - today's projects and labs together under one hat. Or anybody thinks completely different? Just my $.02 J čt 5. 3. 2015 v 9:08 odesílatel Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk napsal: Yes, i think Incubator Projects is an appropriate name for this. Vaclav - Is this ok for you? Suchith From: Bart van den Eijnden [bart...@osgis.nl mailto:bart...@osgis.nl] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:34 AM To: Vaclav Petras Cc: Suchith Anand; discuss@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure I agree Community Projects is a confusing name. What about incubator projects? That’s the term that Apache uses. http://incubator.apache.org http://incubator.apache.org/ Best regards, Bart On 04 Mar 2015, at 23:25, Vaclav Petras wenzesl...@gmail.com mailto:wenzesl...@gmail.commailto:wenzesl...@gmail.com mailto:wenzesl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.ukmailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk wrote: Thanks Jeff. Though we had lots of discussions afterwards and continuing on this , we couldnt find any solution till now. So this might be a good opportunity to modify the Incubation's labs term, to something like Community Projects to avoid confusion if that is acceptable to Vaclav, Jachym and others. Many thanks. Well, I'm not particularly fond of Community Projects as a name. Even mature FOSS projects are community projects in one way or the other. Unfortunately, I don't have other suggestion. Vaclav Suchith From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jeff McKenna [jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com mailto:jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.commailto:jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com mailto:jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:26 PM To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure (we are approaching 2 full years that this labs naming has been an issue and discussed[1]) Today, knowing how ingrained the term 'lab' is in the GeoForAll education network, maybe Jachym is correct that it is a good time to modify the Incubation's labs term, to something like Community Projects. [1] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/ica-osgeo-labs/2013-June/000134.html http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/ica-osgeo-labs/2013-June/000134.html -jeff On 2015-03-03 3:42 AM, Suchith Anand wrote: Vaclav, Please accept my sincere apologies as it was my mistake that i did not think on this when we started the ICA-OSGeo Labs initiative (so many things were going on at that time!). In universities, we generally use the Labs term to refer to infrastructure/people/facilities for a particular subject. For example Botany Lab, Robotics Lab etc. And we wanted to make sure there is a dedicated Open Source Geospatial Lab in universities worldwide (which includes bringing together people from various disciplines, infrastructure (the physical space) and facilities to make this happen. Also it is easier to make use of the same terminology/structure of Labs which is widely used in the university environment to get academics start the initiative in their respective universities (also it is easier for them to convince their higher management on a structure that is known to them than reinvent a new term for this) . So it will very helpful for us if you can make use of new OSGeo-projects and metioned star (or similar) rating system for the incubation as then there is no confusion in the future. Many thanks for your consideration. Best wishes, Suchith From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org
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Bart - the thread started as proposal for the new rating system of all future (and current) OSGeo Projects čt 5. 3. 2015 v 11:51 odesílatel Bart van den Eijnden bart...@osgis.nl napsal: I don’t think you can put projects that have gone through incubation and the projects that still have to incubate at the same level. But that’s my opinion only. Best regards, Bart On 05 Mar 2015, at 11:18, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: Guys, I think you are trying to find a term for something, I would like to get rid of. OSGeo Project is, what I would like to achieve for both - today's projects and labs together under one hat. Or anybody thinks completely different? Just my $.02 J čt 5. 3. 2015 v 9:08 odesílatel Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk napsal: Yes, i think Incubator Projects is an appropriate name for this. Vaclav - Is this ok for you? Suchith From: Bart van den Eijnden [bart...@osgis.nl] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:34 AM To: Vaclav Petras Cc: Suchith Anand; discuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure I agree Community Projects is a confusing name. What about incubator projects? That’s the term that Apache uses. http://incubator.apache.org Best regards, Bart On 04 Mar 2015, at 23:25, Vaclav Petras wenzesl...@gmail.commailto:w enzesl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.ukmailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk wrote: Thanks Jeff. Though we had lots of discussions afterwards and continuing on this , we couldnt find any solution till now. So this might be a good opportunity to modify the Incubation's labs term, to something like Community Projects to avoid confusion if that is acceptable to Vaclav, Jachym and others. Many thanks. Well, I'm not particularly fond of Community Projects as a name. Even mature FOSS projects are community projects in one way or the other. Unfortunately, I don't have other suggestion. Vaclav Suchith From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss-bounces@ lists.osgeo.org [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss-bounces@ lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jeff McKenna [ jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.commailto:jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:26 PM To: discuss@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure (we are approaching 2 full years that this labs naming has been an issue and discussed[1]) Today, knowing how ingrained the term 'lab' is in the GeoForAll education network, maybe Jachym is correct that it is a good time to modify the Incubation's labs term, to something like Community Projects. [1] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/ica-osgeo-labs/2013-June/000134.html -jeff On 2015-03-03 3:42 AM, Suchith Anand wrote: Vaclav, Please accept my sincere apologies as it was my mistake that i did not think on this when we started the ICA-OSGeo Labs initiative (so many things were going on at that time!). In universities, we generally use the Labs term to refer to infrastructure/people/facilities for a particular subject. For example Botany Lab, Robotics Lab etc. And we wanted to make sure there is a dedicated Open Source Geospatial Lab in universities worldwide (which includes bringing together people from various disciplines, infrastructure (the physical space) and facilities to make this happen. Also it is easier to make use of the same terminology/structure of Labs which is widely used in the university environment to get academics start the initiative in their respective universities (also it is easier for them to convince their higher management on a structure that is known to them than reinvent a new term for this) . So it will very helpful for us if you can make use of new OSGeo-projects and metioned star (or similar) rating system for the incubation as then there is no confusion in the future. Many thanks for your consideration. Best wishes, Suchith From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss-bounces@ lists.osgeo.org [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss-bounces@ lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jachym Cepicky [jachym.cepi...@gmail.com mailto:jachym.cepi...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 7:27 AM To: Vaclav Petras Cc: OSGeo Discussions; incuba...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto: incuba...@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure Vašku, just side note: yes, whith the new Labs initiative OSGeo-Labs have to change their name. My idea would rather be to get rid of current OSGeo- labs and projects and start with new OSGeo-projects and metioned star (or similar) rating system. Than for current OSGeo-Labs OSGeo-project level 1 would make it (or similar
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure
Guys, I think you are trying to find a term for something, I would like to get rid of. OSGeo Project is, what I would like to achieve for both - today's projects and labs together under one hat. Or anybody thinks completely different? Just my $.02 J čt 5. 3. 2015 v 9:08 odesílatel Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk napsal: Yes, i think Incubator Projects is an appropriate name for this. Vaclav - Is this ok for you? Suchith From: Bart van den Eijnden [bart...@osgis.nl] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:34 AM To: Vaclav Petras Cc: Suchith Anand; discuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure I agree Community Projects is a confusing name. What about incubator projects? That’s the term that Apache uses. http://incubator.apache.org Best regards, Bart On 04 Mar 2015, at 23:25, Vaclav Petras wenzesl...@gmail.commailto:w enzesl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.ukmailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk wrote: Thanks Jeff. Though we had lots of discussions afterwards and continuing on this , we couldnt find any solution till now. So this might be a good opportunity to modify the Incubation's labs term, to something like Community Projects to avoid confusion if that is acceptable to Vaclav, Jachym and others. Many thanks. Well, I'm not particularly fond of Community Projects as a name. Even mature FOSS projects are community projects in one way or the other. Unfortunately, I don't have other suggestion. Vaclav Suchith From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss-bounces@ lists.osgeo.org [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss-bounces@ lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jeff McKenna [jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com mailto:jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:26 PM To: discuss@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure (we are approaching 2 full years that this labs naming has been an issue and discussed[1]) Today, knowing how ingrained the term 'lab' is in the GeoForAll education network, maybe Jachym is correct that it is a good time to modify the Incubation's labs term, to something like Community Projects. [1] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/ica-osgeo-labs/2013-June/000134.html -jeff On 2015-03-03 3:42 AM, Suchith Anand wrote: Vaclav, Please accept my sincere apologies as it was my mistake that i did not think on this when we started the ICA-OSGeo Labs initiative (so many things were going on at that time!). In universities, we generally use the Labs term to refer to infrastructure/people/facilities for a particular subject. For example Botany Lab, Robotics Lab etc. And we wanted to make sure there is a dedicated Open Source Geospatial Lab in universities worldwide (which includes bringing together people from various disciplines, infrastructure (the physical space) and facilities to make this happen. Also it is easier to make use of the same terminology/structure of Labs which is widely used in the university environment to get academics start the initiative in their respective universities (also it is easier for them to convince their higher management on a structure that is known to them than reinvent a new term for this) . So it will very helpful for us if you can make use of new OSGeo-projects and metioned star (or similar) rating system for the incubation as then there is no confusion in the future. Many thanks for your consideration. Best wishes, Suchith From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss-bounces@ lists.osgeo.org [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss-bounces@ lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jachym Cepicky [jachym.cepi...@gmail.com mailto:jachym.cepi...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 7:27 AM To: Vaclav Petras Cc: OSGeo Discussions; incuba...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto: incuba...@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure Vašku, just side note: yes, whith the new Labs initiative OSGeo-Labs have to change their name. My idea would rather be to get rid of current OSGeo- labs and projects and start with new OSGeo-projects and metioned star (or similar) rating system. Than for current OSGeo-Labs OSGeo-project level 1 would make it (or similar) Jachym po 2. 3. 2015 v 18:33 odesílatel Vaclav Petras wenzesl...@gmail.com mailto:wenzesl...@gmail.commailto:wenzesl...@gmail.commailto:wenz esl...@gmail.com napsal: On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.commailto:jachym.cepi...@gmail.commailto: jachym.cepi...@gmail.commailto:jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: former OSGeo Labs (now it has no name is slowly forgotten in past, but you can find more at http
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I think this type of system makes a lot of sense especially if you tie the achievement of stars to completing the various requirements of incubation and graduation. -Steve On 3/5/2015 6:18 AM, Jachym Cepicky wrote: Bart, that needs to be discussed but as example: yes, 1 star for current labs, 4 stars for current incubated projects čt 5. 3. 2015 v 12:16 odesílatel Bart van den Eijnden bart...@osgis.nl mailto:bart...@osgis.nl napsal: Or you’re saying you want to address this with the stars system? So 1 star for existing labs projects for instance? Jody, as chair of the incubation committee, what’s your take on this? Best regards, Bart On 05 Mar 2015, at 11:51, Bart van den Eijnden bart...@osgis.nl mailto:bart...@osgis.nl wrote: I don’t think you can put projects that have gone through incubation and the projects that still have to incubate at the same level. But that’s my opinion only. Best regards, Bart On 05 Mar 2015, at 11:18, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com mailto:jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: Guys, I think you are trying to find a term for something, I would like to get rid of. OSGeo Project is, what I would like to achieve for both - today's projects and labs together under one hat. Or anybody thinks completely different? Just my $.02 J čt 5. 3. 2015 v 9:08 odesílatel Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk napsal: Yes, i think Incubator Projects is an appropriate name for this. Vaclav - Is this ok for you? Suchith __ From: Bart van den Eijnden [bart...@osgis.nl mailto:bart...@osgis.nl] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:34 AM To: Vaclav Petras Cc: Suchith Anand; discuss@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure I agree Community Projects is a confusing name. What about incubator projects? That’s the term that Apache uses. http://incubator.apache.org http://incubator.apache.org/ Best regards, Bart On 04 Mar 2015, at 23:25, Vaclav Petras wenzesl...@gmail.com mailto:wenzesl...@gmail.commailto:w__enzesl...@gmail.com mailto:wenzesl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.__uk mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.ukmailto:Suchith.Anand@__nottingham.ac.uk mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk wrote: Thanks Jeff. Though we had lots of discussions afterwards and continuing on this , we couldnt find any solution till now. So this might be a good opportunity to modify the Incubation's labs term, to something like Community Projects to avoid confusion if that is acceptable to Vaclav, Jachym and others. Many thanks. Well, I'm not particularly fond of Community Projects as a name. Even mature FOSS projects are community projects in one way or the other. Unfortunately, I don't have other suggestion. Vaclav Suchith __ From: discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.__org mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss-bounces@__lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.__org mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss-bounces@__lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jeff McKenna [jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com mailto:jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com__mailto:jmckenna@__gatewaygeomatics.com mailto:jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:26 PM To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org__mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org__ Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure (we are approaching 2 full years that this labs naming has been an issue and discussed[1]) Today, knowing how ingrained the term 'lab' is in the GeoForAll education network, maybe Jachym is correct that it is a good time to modify the Incubation's labs term, to something like Community Projects. [1] http://lists.osgeo.org/__pipermail/ica-osgeo-labs/2013-__June/000134.html http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/ica-osgeo-labs/2013-June/000134.html -jeff On 2015-03-03 3:42 AM, Suchith Anand wrote: Vaclav, Please accept my sincere apologies as it was my mistake that i did not think on this when we started the ICA-OSGeo Labs initiative (so many things were going on at that time
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Bart, that needs to be discussed but as example: yes, 1 star for current labs, 4 stars for current incubated projects čt 5. 3. 2015 v 12:16 odesílatel Bart van den Eijnden bart...@osgis.nl napsal: Or you’re saying you want to address this with the stars system? So 1 star for existing labs projects for instance? Jody, as chair of the incubation committee, what’s your take on this? Best regards, Bart On 05 Mar 2015, at 11:51, Bart van den Eijnden bart...@osgis.nl wrote: I don’t think you can put projects that have gone through incubation and the projects that still have to incubate at the same level. But that’s my opinion only. Best regards, Bart On 05 Mar 2015, at 11:18, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: Guys, I think you are trying to find a term for something, I would like to get rid of. OSGeo Project is, what I would like to achieve for both - today's projects and labs together under one hat. Or anybody thinks completely different? Just my $.02 J čt 5. 3. 2015 v 9:08 odesílatel Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk napsal: Yes, i think Incubator Projects is an appropriate name for this. Vaclav - Is this ok for you? Suchith From: Bart van den Eijnden [bart...@osgis.nl] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:34 AM To: Vaclav Petras Cc: Suchith Anand; discuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure I agree Community Projects is a confusing name. What about incubator projects? That’s the term that Apache uses. http://incubator.apache.org Best regards, Bart On 04 Mar 2015, at 23:25, Vaclav Petras wenzesl...@gmail.commailto:w enzesl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.ukmailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk wrote: Thanks Jeff. Though we had lots of discussions afterwards and continuing on this , we couldnt find any solution till now. So this might be a good opportunity to modify the Incubation's labs term, to something like Community Projects to avoid confusion if that is acceptable to Vaclav, Jachym and others. Many thanks. Well, I'm not particularly fond of Community Projects as a name. Even mature FOSS projects are community projects in one way or the other. Unfortunately, I don't have other suggestion. Vaclav Suchith From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss-bounces@ lists.osgeo.org [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss-bounces@ lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jeff McKenna [ jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.commailto:jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:26 PM To: discuss@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure (we are approaching 2 full years that this labs naming has been an issue and discussed[1]) Today, knowing how ingrained the term 'lab' is in the GeoForAll education network, maybe Jachym is correct that it is a good time to modify the Incubation's labs term, to something like Community Projects. [1] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/ica-osgeo-labs/2013-June/000134.html -jeff On 2015-03-03 3:42 AM, Suchith Anand wrote: Vaclav, Please accept my sincere apologies as it was my mistake that i did not think on this when we started the ICA-OSGeo Labs initiative (so many things were going on at that time!). In universities, we generally use the Labs term to refer to infrastructure/people/facilities for a particular subject. For example Botany Lab, Robotics Lab etc. And we wanted to make sure there is a dedicated Open Source Geospatial Lab in universities worldwide (which includes bringing together people from various disciplines, infrastructure (the physical space) and facilities to make this happen. Also it is easier to make use of the same terminology/structure of Labs which is widely used in the university environment to get academics start the initiative in their respective universities (also it is easier for them to convince their higher management on a structure that is known to them than reinvent a new term for this) . So it will very helpful for us if you can make use of new OSGeo-projects and metioned star (or similar) rating system for the incubation as then there is no confusion in the future. Many thanks for your consideration. Best wishes, Suchith From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss-bounces@ lists.osgeo.org [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss-bounces@ lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jachym Cepicky [jachym.cepi...@gmail.com mailto:jachym.cepi...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 7:27 AM To: Vaclav Petras Cc: OSGeo Discussions; incuba...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto: incuba...@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure Vašku, just side note: yes, whith
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure
On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk wrote: Thanks Jeff. Though we had lots of discussions afterwards and continuing on this , we couldnt find any solution till now. So this might be a good opportunity to modify the Incubation's labs term, to something like Community Projects to avoid confusion if that is acceptable to Vaclav, Jachym and others. Many thanks. Well, I'm not particularly fond of Community Projects as a name. Even mature FOSS projects are community projects in one way or the other. Unfortunately, I don't have other suggestion. Vaclav Suchith From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jeff McKenna [jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:26 PM To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure (we are approaching 2 full years that this labs naming has been an issue and discussed[1]) Today, knowing how ingrained the term 'lab' is in the GeoForAll education network, maybe Jachym is correct that it is a good time to modify the Incubation's labs term, to something like Community Projects. [1] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/ica-osgeo-labs/2013-June/000134.html -jeff On 2015-03-03 3:42 AM, Suchith Anand wrote: Vaclav, Please accept my sincere apologies as it was my mistake that i did not think on this when we started the ICA-OSGeo Labs initiative (so many things were going on at that time!). In universities, we generally use the Labs term to refer to infrastructure/people/facilities for a particular subject. For example Botany Lab, Robotics Lab etc. And we wanted to make sure there is a dedicated Open Source Geospatial Lab in universities worldwide (which includes bringing together people from various disciplines, infrastructure (the physical space) and facilities to make this happen. Also it is easier to make use of the same terminology/structure of Labs which is widely used in the university environment to get academics start the initiative in their respective universities (also it is easier for them to convince their higher management on a structure that is known to them than reinvent a new term for this) . So it will very helpful for us if you can make use of new OSGeo-projects and metioned star (or similar) rating system for the incubation as then there is no confusion in the future. Many thanks for your consideration. Best wishes, Suchith From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jachym Cepicky [jachym.cepi...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 7:27 AM To: Vaclav Petras Cc: OSGeo Discussions; incuba...@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure Vašku, just side note: yes, whith the new Labs initiative OSGeo-Labs have to change their name. My idea would rather be to get rid of current OSGeo- labs and projects and start with new OSGeo-projects and metioned star (or similar) rating system. Than for current OSGeo-Labs OSGeo-project level 1 would make it (or similar) Jachym po 2. 3. 2015 v 18:33 odesílatel Vaclav Petras wenzesl...@gmail.com mailto:wenzesl...@gmail.com napsal: On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.commailto:jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: former OSGeo Labs (now it has no name is slowly forgotten in past, but you can find more at http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs) Hi Jachym, do you think that with the renewal you can replace the name OSGeo Labs by something else? Now we have also ISPRS-ICA-OSGeo Research and Educational laboratories which might be often shortened to OSGeo Labs, although I prefer OSGeoRELs for writing. The mainling list is ica-osgeo-labs. Put perhaps it is not such an issue since the term Geo for All (http://www.geoforall.org/) is now used more and more (well, the linked website as OSGeo Labs in the title element). Thanks for taking this into consideration, Vaclav ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University
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On 2015/03/05 7:25, Vaclav Petras wrote: On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk wrote: Though we had lots of discussions afterwards and continuing on this , we couldnt find any solution till now. So this might be a good opportunity to modify the Incubation's labs term, to something like Community Projects to avoid confusion if that is acceptable to Vaclav, Jachym and others. Many thanks. Well, I'm not particularly fond of Community Projects as a name. Even mature FOSS projects are community projects in one way or the other. Unfortunately, I don't have other suggestion. How about Nascent Projects? Venka Vaclav Suchith From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jeff McKenna [jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:26 PM To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure (we are approaching 2 full years that this labs naming has been an issue and discussed[1]) Today, knowing how ingrained the term 'lab' is in the GeoForAll education network, maybe Jachym is correct that it is a good time to modify the Incubation's labs term, to something like Community Projects. [1] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/ica-osgeo-labs/2013-June/000134.html -jeff On 2015-03-03 3:42 AM, Suchith Anand wrote: Vaclav, Please accept my sincere apologies as it was my mistake that i did not think on this when we started the ICA-OSGeo Labs initiative (so many things were going on at that time!). In universities, we generally use the Labs term to refer to infrastructure/people/facilities for a particular subject. For example Botany Lab, Robotics Lab etc. And we wanted to make sure there is a dedicated Open Source Geospatial Lab in universities worldwide (which includes bringing together people from various disciplines, infrastructure (the physical space) and facilities to make this happen. Also it is easier to make use of the same terminology/structure of Labs which is widely used in the university environment to get academics start the initiative in their respective universities (also it is easier for them to convince their higher management on a structure that is known to them than reinvent a new term for this) . So it will very helpful for us if you can make use of new OSGeo-projects and metioned star (or similar) rating system for the incubation as then there is no confusion in the future. Many thanks for your consideration. Best wishes, Suchith From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jachym Cepicky [jachym.cepi...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 7:27 AM To: Vaclav Petras Cc: OSGeo Discussions; incuba...@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure Vašku, just side note: yes, whith the new Labs initiative OSGeo-Labs have to change their name. My idea would rather be to get rid of current OSGeo- labs and projects and start with new OSGeo-projects and metioned star (or similar) rating system. Than for current OSGeo-Labs OSGeo-project level 1 would make it (or similar) Jachym po 2. 3. 2015 v 18:33 odesílatel Vaclav Petras wenzesl...@gmail.com mailto:wenzesl...@gmail.com napsal: On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.commailto:jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: former OSGeo Labs (now it has no name is slowly forgotten in past, but you can find more at http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs) Hi Jachym, do you think that with the renewal you can replace the name OSGeo Labs by something else? Now we have also ISPRS-ICA-OSGeo Research and Educational laboratories which might be often shortened to OSGeo Labs, although I prefer OSGeoRELs for writing. The mainling list is ica-osgeo-labs. Put perhaps it is not such an issue since the term Geo for All (http://www.geoforall.org/) is now used more and more (well, the linked website as OSGeo Labs in the title element). Thanks for taking this into consideration, Vaclav ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure
I agree Community Projects is a confusing name. What about incubator projects? That’s the term that Apache uses. http://incubator.apache.org http://incubator.apache.org/ Best regards, Bart On 04 Mar 2015, at 23:25, Vaclav Petras wenzesl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk wrote: Thanks Jeff. Though we had lots of discussions afterwards and continuing on this , we couldnt find any solution till now. So this might be a good opportunity to modify the Incubation's labs term, to something like Community Projects to avoid confusion if that is acceptable to Vaclav, Jachym and others. Many thanks. Well, I'm not particularly fond of Community Projects as a name. Even mature FOSS projects are community projects in one way or the other. Unfortunately, I don't have other suggestion. Vaclav Suchith From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jeff McKenna [jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com mailto:jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:26 PM To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure (we are approaching 2 full years that this labs naming has been an issue and discussed[1]) Today, knowing how ingrained the term 'lab' is in the GeoForAll education network, maybe Jachym is correct that it is a good time to modify the Incubation's labs term, to something like Community Projects. [1] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/ica-osgeo-labs/2013-June/000134.html http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/ica-osgeo-labs/2013-June/000134.html -jeff On 2015-03-03 3:42 AM, Suchith Anand wrote: Vaclav, Please accept my sincere apologies as it was my mistake that i did not think on this when we started the ICA-OSGeo Labs initiative (so many things were going on at that time!). In universities, we generally use the Labs term to refer to infrastructure/people/facilities for a particular subject. For example Botany Lab, Robotics Lab etc. And we wanted to make sure there is a dedicated Open Source Geospatial Lab in universities worldwide (which includes bringing together people from various disciplines, infrastructure (the physical space) and facilities to make this happen. Also it is easier to make use of the same terminology/structure of Labs which is widely used in the university environment to get academics start the initiative in their respective universities (also it is easier for them to convince their higher management on a structure that is known to them than reinvent a new term for this) . So it will very helpful for us if you can make use of new OSGeo-projects and metioned star (or similar) rating system for the incubation as then there is no confusion in the future. Many thanks for your consideration. Best wishes, Suchith From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jachym Cepicky [jachym.cepi...@gmail.com mailto:jachym.cepi...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 7:27 AM To: Vaclav Petras Cc: OSGeo Discussions; incuba...@lists.osgeo.org mailto:incuba...@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure Vašku, just side note: yes, whith the new Labs initiative OSGeo-Labs have to change their name. My idea would rather be to get rid of current OSGeo- labs and projects and start with new OSGeo-projects and metioned star (or similar) rating system. Than for current OSGeo-Labs OSGeo-project level 1 would make it (or similar) Jachym po 2. 3. 2015 v 18:33 odesílatel Vaclav Petras wenzesl...@gmail.com mailto:wenzesl...@gmail.commailto:wenzesl...@gmail.com mailto:wenzesl...@gmail.com napsal: On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com mailto:jachym.cepi...@gmail.commailto:jachym.cepi...@gmail.com mailto:jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: former OSGeo Labs (now it has no name is slowly forgotten in past, but you can find more at http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs) Hi Jachym, do you think that with the renewal you can replace the name OSGeo Labs by something else? Now we have also ISPRS-ICA-OSGeo Research and Educational laboratories which might be often shortened to OSGeo Labs, although I prefer OSGeoRELs for writing. The mainling list is ica-osgeo-labs. Put perhaps it is not such an issue since the term Geo for All (http://www.geoforall.org/ http://www.geoforall.org/) is now used more and more (well
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure
Thanks Jeff. Though we had lots of discussions afterwards and continuing on this , we couldnt find any solution till now. So this might be a good opportunity to modify the Incubation's labs term, to something like Community Projects to avoid confusion if that is acceptable to Vaclav, Jachym and others. Many thanks. Suchith From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jeff McKenna [jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:26 PM To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure (we are approaching 2 full years that this labs naming has been an issue and discussed[1]) Today, knowing how ingrained the term 'lab' is in the GeoForAll education network, maybe Jachym is correct that it is a good time to modify the Incubation's labs term, to something like Community Projects. [1] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/ica-osgeo-labs/2013-June/000134.html -jeff On 2015-03-03 3:42 AM, Suchith Anand wrote: Vaclav, Please accept my sincere apologies as it was my mistake that i did not think on this when we started the ICA-OSGeo Labs initiative (so many things were going on at that time!). In universities, we generally use the Labs term to refer to infrastructure/people/facilities for a particular subject. For example Botany Lab, Robotics Lab etc. And we wanted to make sure there is a dedicated Open Source Geospatial Lab in universities worldwide (which includes bringing together people from various disciplines, infrastructure (the physical space) and facilities to make this happen. Also it is easier to make use of the same terminology/structure of Labs which is widely used in the university environment to get academics start the initiative in their respective universities (also it is easier for them to convince their higher management on a structure that is known to them than reinvent a new term for this) . So it will very helpful for us if you can make use of new OSGeo-projects and metioned star (or similar) rating system for the incubation as then there is no confusion in the future. Many thanks for your consideration. Best wishes, Suchith From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jachym Cepicky [jachym.cepi...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 7:27 AM To: Vaclav Petras Cc: OSGeo Discussions; incuba...@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure Vašku, just side note: yes, whith the new Labs initiative OSGeo-Labs have to change their name. My idea would rather be to get rid of current OSGeo- labs and projects and start with new OSGeo-projects and metioned star (or similar) rating system. Than for current OSGeo-Labs OSGeo-project level 1 would make it (or similar) Jachym po 2. 3. 2015 v 18:33 odesílatel Vaclav Petras wenzesl...@gmail.commailto:wenzesl...@gmail.com napsal: On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.commailto:jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: former OSGeo Labs (now it has no name is slowly forgotten in past, but you can find more at http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs) Hi Jachym, do you think that with the renewal you can replace the name OSGeo Labs by something else? Now we have also ISPRS-ICA-OSGeo Research and Educational laboratories which might be often shortened to OSGeo Labs, although I prefer OSGeoRELs for writing. The mainling list is ica-osgeo-labs. Put perhaps it is not such an issue since the term Geo for All (http://www.geoforall.org/) is now used more and more (well, the linked website as OSGeo Labs in the title element). Thanks for taking this into consideration, Vaclav ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure
(we are approaching 2 full years that this labs naming has been an issue and discussed[1]) Today, knowing how ingrained the term 'lab' is in the GeoForAll education network, maybe Jachym is correct that it is a good time to modify the Incubation's labs term, to something like Community Projects. [1] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/ica-osgeo-labs/2013-June/000134.html -jeff On 2015-03-03 3:42 AM, Suchith Anand wrote: Vaclav, Please accept my sincere apologies as it was my mistake that i did not think on this when we started the ICA-OSGeo Labs initiative (so many things were going on at that time!). In universities, we generally use the Labs term to refer to infrastructure/people/facilities for a particular subject. For example Botany Lab, Robotics Lab etc. And we wanted to make sure there is a dedicated Open Source Geospatial Lab in universities worldwide (which includes bringing together people from various disciplines, infrastructure (the physical space) and facilities to make this happen. Also it is easier to make use of the same terminology/structure of Labs which is widely used in the university environment to get academics start the initiative in their respective universities (also it is easier for them to convince their higher management on a structure that is known to them than reinvent a new term for this) . So it will very helpful for us if you can make use of new OSGeo-projects and metioned star (or similar) rating system for the incubation as then there is no confusion in the future. Many thanks for your consideration. Best wishes, Suchith From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jachym Cepicky [jachym.cepi...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 7:27 AM To: Vaclav Petras Cc: OSGeo Discussions; incuba...@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure Vašku, just side note: yes, whith the new Labs initiative OSGeo-Labs have to change their name. My idea would rather be to get rid of current OSGeo- labs and projects and start with new OSGeo-projects and metioned star (or similar) rating system. Than for current OSGeo-Labs OSGeo-project level 1 would make it (or similar) Jachym po 2. 3. 2015 v 18:33 odesílatel Vaclav Petras wenzesl...@gmail.commailto:wenzesl...@gmail.com napsal: On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.commailto:jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: former OSGeo Labs (now it has no name is slowly forgotten in past, but you can find more at http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs) Hi Jachym, do you think that with the renewal you can replace the name OSGeo Labs by something else? Now we have also ISPRS-ICA-OSGeo Research and Educational laboratories which might be often shortened to OSGeo Labs, although I prefer OSGeoRELs for writing. The mainling list is ica-osgeo-labs. Put perhaps it is not such an issue since the term Geo for All (http://www.geoforall.org/) is now used more and more (well, the linked website as OSGeo Labs in the title element). Thanks for taking this into consideration, Vaclav ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure
Jachym: +1. Another thing to consider is maintenance. How often should OSGeo projects be assessed for freshness and change in rating? Yearly? 2x/year? Having said this adding projects should be more agile. On Tue, 3 Mar 2015, Jachym Cepicky wrote: Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2015 07:27:14 + From: Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com To: Vaclav Petras wenzesl...@gmail.com Cc: OSGeo Discussions discuss@lists.osgeo.org, incuba...@lists.osgeo.org incuba...@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure Vašku, just side note: yes, whith the new Labs initiative OSGeo-Labs have to change their name. My idea would rather be to get rid of current OSGeo- labs and projects and start with new OSGeo-projects and metioned star (or similar) rating system. Than for current OSGeo-Labs OSGeo-project level 1 would make it (or similar) Jachym po 2. 3. 2015 v 18:33 odesílatel Vaclav Petras wenzesl...@gmail.com napsal: On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: former OSGeo Labs (now it has no name is slowly forgotten in past, but you can find more at http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs) Hi Jachym, do you think that with the renewal you can replace the name OSGeo Labs by something else? Now we have also ISPRS-ICA-OSGeo Research and Educational laboratories which might be often shortened to OSGeo Labs, although I prefer OSGeoRELs for writing. The mainling list is ica-osgeo-labs. Put perhaps it is not such an issue since the term Geo for All (http://www.geoforall.org/) is now used more and more (well, the linked website as OSGeo Labs in the title element). Thanks for taking this into consideration, Vaclav ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure
Vaclav, Please accept my sincere apologies as it was my mistake that i did not think on this when we started the ICA-OSGeo Labs initiative (so many things were going on at that time!). In universities, we generally use the Labs term to refer to infrastructure/people/facilities for a particular subject. For example Botany Lab, Robotics Lab etc. And we wanted to make sure there is a dedicated Open Source Geospatial Lab in universities worldwide (which includes bringing together people from various disciplines, infrastructure (the physical space) and facilities to make this happen. Also it is easier to make use of the same terminology/structure of Labs which is widely used in the university environment to get academics start the initiative in their respective universities (also it is easier for them to convince their higher management on a structure that is known to them than reinvent a new term for this) . So it will very helpful for us if you can make use of new OSGeo-projects and metioned star (or similar) rating system for the incubation as then there is no confusion in the future. Many thanks for your consideration. Best wishes, Suchith From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jachym Cepicky [jachym.cepi...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 7:27 AM To: Vaclav Petras Cc: OSGeo Discussions; incuba...@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure Vašku, just side note: yes, whith the new Labs initiative OSGeo-Labs have to change their name. My idea would rather be to get rid of current OSGeo- labs and projects and start with new OSGeo-projects and metioned star (or similar) rating system. Than for current OSGeo-Labs OSGeo-project level 1 would make it (or similar) Jachym po 2. 3. 2015 v 18:33 odesílatel Vaclav Petras wenzesl...@gmail.commailto:wenzesl...@gmail.com napsal: On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.commailto:jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: former OSGeo Labs (now it has no name is slowly forgotten in past, but you can find more at http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs) Hi Jachym, do you think that with the renewal you can replace the name OSGeo Labs by something else? Now we have also ISPRS-ICA-OSGeo Research and Educational laboratories which might be often shortened to OSGeo Labs, although I prefer OSGeoRELs for writing. The mainling list is ica-osgeo-labs. Put perhaps it is not such an issue since the term Geo for All (http://www.geoforall.org/) is now used more and more (well, the linked website as OSGeo Labs in the title element). Thanks for taking this into consideration, Vaclav This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure
Vašku, just side note: yes, whith the new Labs initiative OSGeo-Labs have to change their name. My idea would rather be to get rid of current OSGeo- labs and projects and start with new OSGeo-projects and metioned star (or similar) rating system. Than for current OSGeo-Labs OSGeo-project level 1 would make it (or similar) Jachym po 2. 3. 2015 v 18:33 odesílatel Vaclav Petras wenzesl...@gmail.com napsal: On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: former OSGeo Labs (now it has no name is slowly forgotten in past, but you can find more at http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs) Hi Jachym, do you think that with the renewal you can replace the name OSGeo Labs by something else? Now we have also ISPRS-ICA-OSGeo Research and Educational laboratories which might be often shortened to OSGeo Labs, although I prefer OSGeoRELs for writing. The mainling list is ica-osgeo-labs. Put perhaps it is not such an issue since the term Geo for All (http://www.geoforall.org/) is now used more and more (well, the linked website as OSGeo Labs in the title element). Thanks for taking this into consideration, Vaclav ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: former OSGeo Labs (now it has no name is slowly forgotten in past, but you can find more at http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs) Hi Jachym, do you think that with the renewal you can replace the name OSGeo Labs by something else? Now we have also ISPRS-ICA-OSGeo Research and Educational laboratories which might be often shortened to OSGeo Labs, although I prefer OSGeoRELs for writing. The mainling list is ica-osgeo-labs. Put perhaps it is not such an issue since the term Geo for All ( http://www.geoforall.org/) is now used more and more (well, the linked website as OSGeo Labs in the title element). Thanks for taking this into consideration, Vaclav ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure
I think we could Vaclav. One of the more extreme ideas I have had is to just call it incubation and only assign mentors when a project has completed each of the five things we expect and wants a review / recommendation. It would free us up to take on more projects (no longer bottle necked on mentors). My big trouble with this whole thing is the basic one: I want a project to be open source before being part of OSGeo :) So open source license and code check is the first step (not the last step). Perhaps we could allow projects to do automated/grep search for the initial code check? -- Jody Garnett On 2 March 2015 at 09:32, Vaclav Petras wenzesl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: former OSGeo Labs (now it has no name is slowly forgotten in past, but you can find more at http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs) Hi Jachym, do you think that with the renewal you can replace the name OSGeo Labs by something else? Now we have also ISPRS-ICA-OSGeo Research and Educational laboratories which might be often shortened to OSGeo Labs, although I prefer OSGeoRELs for writing. The mainling list is ica-osgeo-labs. Put perhaps it is not such an issue since the term Geo for All (http://www.geoforall.org/) is now used more and more (well, the linked website as OSGeo Labs in the title element). Thanks for taking this into consideration, Vaclav ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure
Hi Jachym, I think this is a good idea. Also to include in this discussion is streamlining our existing incubation docs. In particular, retire General Principles of Incubation [1], update our Project Graduation Checklist [2], and update our Incubator Application Questionnaire [3]. The links below include proposals for how these docs could be updated. [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/General_Principles_of_Incubation [2] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Project_Graduation_Checklist [3] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Incubator_Application_Questionnaire On 16/02/2015 10:44 pm, Jachym Cepicky wrote: Hi, I would like to dig a bit more into the topic more fine incubation procedure and former OSGeo Labs (now it has no name is slowly forgotten in past, but you can find more at http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs) I would like to start talk about it a bit (I suggest incubator mailing list), prepared wiki page (with confusing name): http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/5-star-rating Scope: to re-new OSGeo Labs, make the incubation process easier for all of us, with more little steps (except for one big). Projects could flow between the steps up and down, related to their current living phase. I hope, this would help to the community to get oriented, would allow more projects to join in. Work for incubation committee and mentors could be even less (some projects will remain in beta). It's also related to the certification topic (even not people, but software). Jachym ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Cameron Shorter, Software and Data Solutions Manager LISAsoft Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf, 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009 P +61 2 9009 5000, W www.lisasoft.com, F +61 2 9009 5099 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure
On 2/16/2015 6:44 AM, Jachym Cepicky wrote: Hi, I would like to dig a bit more into the topic more fine incubation procedure and former OSGeo Labs (now it has no name is slowly forgotten in past, but you can find more at http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs) I would like to start talk about it a bit (I suggest incubator mailing list), prepared wiki page (with confusing name): http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/5-star-rating Scope: to re-new OSGeo Labs, make the incubation process easier for all of us, with more little steps (except for one big). Projects could flow between the steps up and down, related to their current living phase. I hope, this would help to the community to get oriented, would allow more projects to join in. Work for incubation committee and mentors could be even less (some projects will remain in beta). It's also related to the certification topic (even not people, but software). Jachym This makes a lot of sense to me. I am involved with a lot of smaller projects that are valuable but unlikely to be able to stand on their own because the community is weak. pagc (geocoding) - this is all but dead as a project but out of it came a core piece of technology the has been moved into postGIS Geocoder pgRouting - driving directions and vehicle routing problems, we have contributed 8+ GSoC mentors to OSGeo over the past years, but it has been hard to get funding and volunteers to support ongoing development and project releases. We have looked at incubation, but we do not have a strong enough community to be able to graduate. It would be good to have a way to foster projects like this and to look for opportunities to merge smaller projects into larger ones that where their might be a good fit. I think that we need to better recognize that there will be projects that might not be able to stand on their own but that they may also be fertile ground for development of good technology and that mentoring and redirecting these projects could be a good way to harvest this. Anyway, something to think about ... Best, -Steve ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
