[slim] Re: 48 kHz/1536 kbps wav files

[seanadams]

Patrick Dixon Wrote: 
> Since Slim are American they insist on using arse-about-face dates on
> their forum ;)

If I had my way, today would be 20051009.  :)


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Re: [slim] OT: dumb US dates

[Jack Coates]

machinehead wrote:


...

I think when our ancestors threw off the yoke of the British Empire, they 
just wanted to change a few things for spite.  So they screwed around with 
the dates, used commas in large numbers (e.g. one thousand is 1,000.00 in 
the US and 1.000,00 elsewhere), and also they made ' mean feet and " mean 
inches, instead of vice versa, much to the chagrin of Spinal Tap's 
stagehands.


 



not to mention spelling: here's some fun reading if you're bored. 
*http://tinyurl.com/966ho*


Not adopting the metric system is just us being lazy and stubborn.  Gotta 
have some fun when you're a superpower.  ;-)


Ed
 



I'm American, and this one bugs me. Though I have to admit kilometers 
always seem too small (vis a vis speedometers, highway signs). But if we 
went metric we would get to say 'klicks' instead of kilometers, making 
every discussion of a run to Costco sound like _The Bridge on The River 
Kwai_.


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Re: [slim] Re: 48 kHz/1536 kbps wav files

[machinehead]

"Patrick Dixon" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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>
> I'm also surprised that you find wav files to sound so much better than
> flac and I wonder if you are inadvertently streaming as mp3?  Check that
> Player Settings->Audio->Bit Rate Limiting is set to 'No Limit' for your
> Player and that the Server Settings->File Types FLAC>FLAC box is
> checked.  If you haven't already, you could also check if streaming
> 48KHz flac files as wav solves you problem (uncheck FLAC>FLAC and
> FLAC>MP3, and check FLAC>WAV in Server Settings->File Types).

Agreed, there shouldn't be a difference, as the output of the FLAC decoder 
should be identical to the WAV.  There of course is no difference on a SB1, 
since the decoding is done at the server, but there shouldn't be - and I 
don't recall any others noticing - a difference on the SB2, either.

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[slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets

[NickM]

Has anyone mananged to get multi discs to list & play in the correct
order?


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Re: [slim] OT: dumb US dates

[machinehead]

"Pat Farrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in 
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> On Sat, 2005-10-08 at 08:30 -0700, Patrick Dixon wrote:
>> I think it's actually 'only' 3 months on!  Since Slim are American they
>> insist on using arse-about-face dates on their forum ;)
>
> It isn't just Slim, it is nearly all American dates.
> It is arse-ackwards. As is using inches and feet and yards.

I think when our ancestors threw off the yoke of the British Empire, they 
just wanted to change a few things for spite.  So they screwed around with 
the dates, used commas in large numbers (e.g. one thousand is 1,000.00 in 
the US and 1.000,00 elsewhere), and also they made ' mean feet and " mean 
inches, instead of vice versa, much to the chagrin of Spinal Tap's 
stagehands.

Not adopting the metric system is just us being lazy and stubborn.  Gotta 
have some fun when you're a superpower.  ;-)

Ed





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[slim] Re: Failing Display? Pair of flickering pixels

[NikonUser]

This used to happen to me but I just looked at the screen now and I
can't see the flickering anymore...

Maybe firmware fixed it?

It wasn't a problem for me to begin with as it was only very subtle and
I didn't notice it under normal conditions.

Paul


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[slim] Re: Slimserver Beta Question

[Michaelwagner]

Edit the posting and select the delete option (at the top, I think).


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[slim] Re: New low price on SB2!

[Michaelwagner]

Another good reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect


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[slim] Re: Book the cruise, honey!

[Michaelwagner]

seanadams Wrote: 
> We've also been working to improve boot speed.
For british cars, I presume?


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[slim] Re: Flac converstion questions

[Kenr]

street_samurai Wrote: 
> Hi,
> 
> According to some other threads Flac does not compress better than
> Windows Lossless. I have never tested the theory myself so I couldn't
> say. Really when you are talking about many files with such huge sizes,
> a few kb here or there isn't going to make much of a difference anyway.
> 
> 
> 
> As far as Flac compression options, do whatever you feel is best.
> Almost everyone that uses flac tends to use settings from 4-6 because
> higher settings vastly increase the encoding time and show a very poor
> rate-of-return in terms of file size. 
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> ss.


Thanks, I ran a few tests and 7 or 8 are very slow.  The difference in
encoding time from 3 to 6 is 21x to 18x not a big deal.  4 sound like a
good compression to use.


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Re: [slim] Adding Album Art to Flac?

[Pat Farrell]

On Sun, 2005-10-09 at 16:03 -0700, norderney wrote:
> Is there a way of adding Album Art to Flac recordings?

Just put the file in the same directory as the tunes.
There are standardized names, and you can change them.
Somewhere deep in the Server-Settings pages.

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[slim] Adding Album Art to Flac?

[norderney]

Is there a way of adding Album Art to Flac recordings?

I know you can not do it with the Tags, like you can on MP3.  

Any advice would be appreciated

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[slim] Re: Before i buy, i need a couple of important questions answering please :)

[moobaa]

radish Wrote: 
> LAME had (or still has, not sure) a similar option. The problem with it
> is that you have to encode the whole album at one time, so it knows
> which order the tracks should go in and can work out the splits.

Ah, OK.  I was under the impression that LAME could only insert a tag
with the number of samples in the final frame  :}


radish Wrote: 
> Of course you can rip to wav and then do the compression as a second
> step, but that's not ideal for most people.

You're talking to someone who rips entire albums to one WAV, then
manually creates "tracks" using a home-spun splitter.  Nothing's
toomuch hassle for me  ;)


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[slim] Saving streamed files off internet radio?

[Mike Anderson]

Is there anyway to get Slimserver to save files (preferably as
individual songs) streamed from internet radio stations?  I know there
is other standalone software to do it (e.g. Radiolover), but it'd be
nice to be able to do it through my Squeezebox2.

Thanks,
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[slim] 'Tooltip' text in Touch skin Browse by Artwork

[netim3]

Hi

When I hover over an album cover in 'Browse by Artwork' using the Touch
skin, I get an album number rather than an album name. I don't have this
problem with the default skin.

Using 6.1.1 with MusicMagic API enabled.

Is this easy to fix?

tks

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[slim] Re: Flac converstion questions

[street_samurai]

Hi,

According to some other threads Flac does not compress better than
Windows Lossless. I have never tested the theory myself so I couldn't
say. Really when you are talking about many files with such huge sizes,
a few kb here or there isn't going to make much of a difference anyway.



As far as Flac compression options, do whatever you feel is best.
Almost everyone that uses flac tends to use settings from 4-6 because
higher settings vastly increase the encoding time and show a very poor
rate-of-return in terms of file size. 

Hope this helps,

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[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

[netim3]

OK, as I said, I'm a real newbie.  Tell me if I'm headed in the right
direction

I changed you ./configure options to enable for macos
I installed gcc 3.3 and make3.8 on the Mac
I downloaded the mplayer-1.0pre7try2 package and unpacked it.

I tried to run the ./configure but got the following error messages.
Any tips on how to proceed appreciated.

./configure   --prefix=/usr  --language=all  --disable-mencoder
--disable-jpeg  --disable-gif  --disable-tga  --disable-liblzo 
--disable-tv  --disable-dvb  --disable-vidix  --disable-sdl 
--disable-pnm  --disable-xvid  --disable-toolame  --disable-mad 
--disable-png  --disable-win32  --enable-md5sum  --enable-gl  
--disable-menu  --enable-macosx  --enable-live 
--with-livelibdir=/home/mplayer/live --enable-real  --enable-qtx 
--enable-static="-mconsole" --enable-runtime-cpudetection
--with-codecsdir=codecs
Detected operating system: Darwin
Detected host architecture: ppc
Checking for cc version ... 4.0.0, bad
Checking for gcc version ... 4.0.0, bad
Checking for gcc-3.4 version ... not found
Checking for gcc-3.3 version ... 3.3, ok
Checking for host cc ... gcc-3.3
Checking for CPU type ... 7450 altivec
Checking for GCC & CPU optimization abilities ... 7450
Checking for assembler support of -pipe option ... no
Checking for GCC altivec support ... none
Checking for mplayer binary name ... mplayer
Checking for extra headers ... none
Checking for extra libs ... none
Checking for -lposix ... no
Checking for -lm ... no
Checking for i18n ... no
Checking for iconv ... no
Checking for langinfo ... no
Checking for language ... using en (man pages:  cs de en es fr hu it pl
sv)
Checking for enable sighandler ... yes
Checking for runtime cpudetection ... no
Checking for restrict keyword ... none
Checking for __builtin_expect ... no
Checking for kstat ... no
Checking for posix4 ... no
Checking for lrintf ... no
Checking for nanosleep ... no
Checking for socklib ... no
Checking for inet_pton() ... no (=> i'll try inet_aton next)
Checking for inet_aton() ... no (=> network support disabled)
Checking for inttypes.h (required) ... no
Checking for bitypes.h (inttypes.h predecessor) ... 
Error: Cannot find header either inttypes.h or bitypes.h (see
DOCS/HTML/en/faq.html).

Check "configure.log" if you do not understand why it failed.


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[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

[Andrew L . Weekes]

Thanks Neil for making the alpha release available, for someone like me,
who last compiled a program in 1980-something, it's a huge help ;)

It seems to be working a dream at present - I can't begin to tell you
how much I appreciate the efforts you and everyone else has put in to
getting this bug fixed.

Cheers,

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[slim] Re: Buy now or wait till Christmas?

[Dave D]

dangerous_dom Wrote: 
> Just wondering when Slim Devices plans are. Will there be a new model
> out before or around xmas time?

Quoting Slim Devices Marketing VP, Patrick Cosson from this thread:

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=16934

> "no hints, no forecasts, no previews."
> - Justice Ginsberg
> 
> As she stated during her congressional hearings when nominated for the
> US
> Supreme Court

He's obviously a man of few words.


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[slim] Re: Book the cruise, honey!

[kefa]

come on, the killer enhancement has got to be the inclusion of a DVI
output and 5+1 SPDIF sound. Streaming films from the PC to the the
TV+AV has got to be cool...


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Re: [slim] Album art on squezebox 2 display

[kdf]

On 9-Oct-05, at 2:44 PM, Jack Coates wrote:



never minding the fact that when all the work was done, the result 
would suck :)


Glad that I didn't have to say it :)

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Re: [slim] Album art on squezebox 2 display

[Jack Coates]

kdf wrote:



On 9-Oct-05, at 12:16 PM, Bruce Hartley wrote:



I have a vague recollection of a utility to display artwork on the
squeezebox display.  The artwork scrolled up on the display.
Did I imagine this?



i was a utility to scroll a hard coded graphic.



With the grayscale display on the squeezebox2, could this be done?

it certainly could be done, but I wouldn't hold your breath waiting 
for it. Bringing this kind of thing into SB2 is non-trivial and would 
likely mean a concentrated full-time effort taken away from any other 
slimserver work.  Images need resizing, reducing to grayscale, and 
then animation routines to handle the scrolling, then a UI with the 
usual infinite number of prefs to have it displayed in every way 
possible with discrete options for all modes :)


-kdf



never minding the fact that when all the work was done, the result would 
suck :) This little screen is great for the things it was designed for 
-- that ain't one of them. Some grey scale visualizations would be 
interesting, but trying to convert and display album cover is going to 
require a square color screen.


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Re: [slim] Re: New low price on SB2!

[Jack Coates]

Mr Nõu wrote:


...
I agree with your assessment completely Pat, but.., our R Cringley 
issued a clarification regarding the Osbourne effect back in June.


"The Osborne Effect
Sometimes What Everyone Remembers Is Wrong"

  http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20050616.html



and as I'm sure you and Cringely both know, myths of popular culture 
survive because they're useful, not because they're 100% factual.


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[slim] Re: Book the cruise, honey!

[dangerous_dom]

A squeezebox with some basic controls on the front, rather than just
having to use the remote, could open up a whole new world of
opititunities for people who own Bar's/Pubs/Cafe's/hotels and want the
public to be able to access music without the remote going missing. I
say that because i know someone who wants do just that.

Whatever you do, keep using those great displays and please don't go
down the colour screen route :)


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[slim] Re: Power Supply RF EMI

[Music Machine]

This is not the test you would have done, but provides at least some
comparison.

I tuned an AM radio to a station that sounded clear and strong.  

Plugged in the little stock switcher, and didn't notice any change. I
wasn't trying to hear small changes, just a quick test.  The output of
the supply was not connected to anything.

Then the radio was tuned to a weaker AM station (about half strength on
the radio signal strength meter).  Plugging in the stock supply caused
awful noise out the radio speaker.  Very annoying ticking/buzzing. 
Unplugged the PS and the noise went away.

Plugged in the elpac and didn't notice any difference in the sound of
the weak AM station.

I also have a surplus linear supply from Hosfelt.  I found out about it
from a thread on Audio Circle.  This one:
http://audiocircle.com/circles/viewtopic.php?t=21353&sid=05b43e8be27824d18ca43cdfe058f6ab
The last post on the first page tells you how to find it.  It's about
$10 less expensive than the elpac and looks like a much better design. 
I plugged this supply in during the AM radio test and didn't notice any
problem.  I've not tried this supply with the Squeezebox yet because
the connector needs to be replaced.  That's the nice thing about the
elpac, it's plug'n play.

Hope that sheds at least a little light.

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[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

[Neil Sleightholm]

netim3 Wrote: 
> I'm a bit of a newbie but am happy to try & compile a mac version. Can
> you send me the inputs & I'll have a go?It is not quite as simple as that. If 
> you refer to the mplayer site you
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[slim] Slimserver Beta Question

[dfk]

Hi

I am keen to try out the nightly beta's.  If I install a beta can I go
back to 6.1.1?  And will installing a beta overwrite my current plugin
folder?

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[slim] Favorite names do not change

[dfk]

Hi

At this address:

http://www.squeezenetwork.com/settings/favorites

I am trying to edit my favs.  For example one of them is:

EASY LISTENING STEREO @ http://www.live365.com/play/ryanmary

When I removed this fave to add this:

Easy Listening Stereo @ http://www.live365.com/play/ryanmary

It always re-appears as in the first instance in capital letters?  

Anyone got a way around this?  I ask the question because I have a few
entries that I have misspelt but I don't seem to be able to rename them
by adding them again if using the exact same URL.

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[slim] Re: is the urlwitzer project still alive?

[mherger]

Eric Lyons Wrote: 
> Anything specific I can answer?  There are some new releases, though I
> haven't put them up for downloading.
> 

Just the same question: is it still alive? The subject auf an
automatically ripping linux distro came up again in the plugins
forum...

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[slim] Re: Live365 Session ID Invalid

[fozzie]

mherger Wrote: 
> I'm sure the session id is the problem: session time out and are invalid
> 
> after a certain period of time. Try storing the above as
> 
> live365://www.live365.com/play/paul_woods
> 
> This would hopefully open a new session.Thanks Michael. I've spent the past 
> couple of days trying to get further
with this.  The trouble with storing the URL with only the station name
is that you just get the 'standard' stream; i.e. either with ads, or
not at all in the case of stations only available to 'preferred
members'.

I've also tried storing the URL with the username (with and without the
colon at the end) but still get the same.

It seems the only way to get the 'correct' stream is to submit the URL
with the username and a valid session ID.

It would appear to me that what is needed is for Slimserver to store
the URLs without the session ID and then somehow detect the current
valid session ID and then append that to the stored URL, before
submitting it. Would this be possibe?


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[slim] Re: UK Power Supplies

[max . spicer]

Hmm, now try getting it shipped here cheaply.  :-(  I'm actually amazed
that the squeezebox wasn't shipped by slimdevices with the correct
power supply.  Is this normally the case?

Max

dfk Wrote: 
> Hi
> 
> I am new to this forum, but I noticed that you can buy a UK power
> supply for $15.00 from here:
> 
> https://secure.slimdevices.com/order/upgrades.cgi
> 
> Must be as cheap as making one :-)


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[slim] Re: Failing Display? Pair of flickering pixels

[max . spicer]

I believe that this is normal.  It was originally taken up as a problem
to be looked into, but things have been fairly quite recently.  In the
grand scheme of things, it's no big issue and it's very unlikely to
mean your screen is about to die.

Max

Deaf Cat Wrote: 
> Hi,
> I noticed when I was setting my SB2 up (sitting quite close to it) that
> a few pixles on the lhs were fickering, but do not notice it from the
> sofa - Also intrested to know if this is normal or is the screen on the
> blink.
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[slim] Re: Failing Display? Pair of flickering pixels

[Deaf Cat]

Hi,
I noticed when I was setting my SB2 up (sitting quite close to it) that
a few pixles on the lhs were fickering, but do not notice it from the
sofa - Also intrested to know if this is normal or is the screen on the
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[slim] Squeezebox + T-amp + PDA = Sonos?

[audiofi]

Just a thought, but has anyone who has re-housed the Squeezebox tried
putting one of the tiny Sonic T-amps into the same box?

I had considered it myself, but finding cases is near impossible over
here which don't cost more than the Squeezebox!!

Surely 2 x re-housed Squeezebox + amp (cost, $320 (incl case?) + $20
each)

Add a decent wifi equipt PDA ($200, there may be cheaper)

Total cost: $880 for 2 rooms

$300 cheaper than the Sonos, but with a screen in each and no
requirement to wire one up to the PC and obviously far better!!

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[slim] Re: Power Supply RF EMI

[rme]

An additional question on this thread as well for the power experts out
there...

Is there increased RFI/EMI if the dc power cable portion of the sb2
power supply is run tied to an amplifier's ac power cord or doesn't
that matter?  In other words, should the dc part of the cable be kept
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[slim] Re: Book the cruise, honey!

[seanadams]

Michaelwagner Wrote: 
> 
> Actually, I was expecting the in-dash version to be wired only, wired
> to the in-car ethernet supported by the server in your trunk.
> 
> You don't know about trunk servers? I found this reference (notice the
> last line)
> 
> 2005 SlimServer Commit by kdf :: r4584
> /branches/BRANCH_TT_WRAPPER/server/ (6 files in 4 dirs): (link)
> Description: - updates from trunk
> 
> 

We've also been working to improve boot speed.


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[slim] Re: UK Power Supplies

[dfk]

Hi

I am new to this forum, but I noticed that you can buy a UK power
supply for $15.00 from here:

https://secure.slimdevices.com/order/upgrades.cgi

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[slim] Flac converstion questions

[Kenr]

I am thinking about bulk converting my wma collection to flac using
dBpowerAMP.  I am a little confused about the flac compression option. 
The original wma file is 29.7 MB.  FLAC with 0 compression converts to
33.3 MB and with the 8 compression setting the file is 30.3 MB.  

Which compress option shoud I choose?  I thought FLAC was supposed to
compress better then wma but it appears that the wma file is a little
smaller.

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Re: [slim] Album art on squezebox 2 display

[kdf]

On 9-Oct-05, at 12:16 PM, Bruce Hartley wrote:



I have a vague recollection of a utility to display artwork on the
squeezebox display.  The artwork scrolled up on the display.
Did I imagine this?


i was a utility to scroll a hard coded graphic.



With the grayscale display on the squeezebox2, could this be done?

it certainly could be done, but I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for 
it. Bringing this kind of thing into SB2 is non-trivial and would 
likely mean a concentrated full-time effort taken away from any other 
slimserver work.  Images need resizing, reducing to grayscale, and then 
animation routines to handle the scrolling, then a UI with the usual 
infinite number of prefs to have it displayed in every way possible 
with discrete options for all modes :)


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[slim] Album art on squezebox 2 display

[Bruce Hartley]

I have a vague recollection of a utility to display artwork on the
squeezebox display.  The artwork scrolled up on the display.
Did I imagine this?

With the grayscale display on the squeezebox2, could this be done?


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[slim] Failing Display? Pair of flickering pixels

[dranch]

Hello Everyone,

I've have a SB2 Wireless here (using wired mode for now) running
SlimServer_v2005-08-21.tar.gz.  I'm running this old version since it
has various unicode fixes needed for my Linux 2.2-based server. 
Anyway, I've recently noticed that there are two pixels in the upper
left corner that are flickering in a very CPU-like fashion.  The
left-most pixel is mostly on but does flicker off.  The right-most
pixel seems to behave mostly in the opposite fashion.  These flickers
do not coorespond to network traffic?

Is this a failing display or is this some sort of diagnostic setup in
this nightly build?  Can this be turned off if it's a diagnostic
setup?

Ps.  This nightly build is VERY slow when browsing the Music folder. 
Since I need 6.2 (whenever that becomes official), are 
the current nightlys considered pretty stable or are they still
dev-centric at this moment?

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[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

[netim3]

I'm a bit of a newbie but am happy to try & compile a mac version. Can
you send me the inputs & I'll have a go?


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[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

[Neil Sleightholm]

lordypieman Wrote: 
> It plays only the introduction, and keeps repeating it. It is also
> played at (I'm guessing) double speed with gaps between each
> repetition.Re the double speed, see 
> http://www.x2systems.com/alienbbc/mplayer.html
"Known Problems".

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[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

[Neil Sleightholm]

maxwl Wrote: 
> However another related problem. I hope someone can help.
> With live radio 2 all I get is the following audio at the start..
> "You're listening to BBC Radio 2 live online at
> www.bbcradio.co.uk/radio2"
> 
> and then nothing. just silence.
> 
> The other BBC live stations seem fine.
> 
> Any ideas?This was happening with the previous version of mplayer but I 
> thought it
had been fixed in my version. I'll check again.

Incidently, we will be releasing a new version of AlienBCC that allows
you to skip this ident.

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Re: [slim] Re: New low price on SB2!

[Mr Nõu]

Pat Farrell wrote:

On Sun, 2005-10-09 at 06:04 -0700, Dave D wrote:

Patrick, can you give any hints about if this price drop is inspired by
an upcoming new or additional product offering? 


See Patrick's response.


An example of a great company which gives hints about new product
offerings at the same time as offering sales on existing products is
AV123 (av123.com).


Most companies learned from Osborne Computers, one of the stars of
personal computing in the late 70s. They announced the next great thing,
and all the potential customers decided not to buy the current thing, 
destroying sales and depriving the company of the money they needed

to develop the next great thing. They went poof.

I predict that the price of the SqueezeBox2 will go down slightly over
time. Then sometime in the future, an new cooler product will come out
at about the same price as the initial price of the SqueezeBox2.

Intel has done pretty well with this business model.



I agree with your assessment completely Pat, but.., our R Cringley 
issued a clarification regarding the Osbourne effect back in June.


"The Osborne Effect
Sometimes What Everyone Remembers Is Wrong"

  http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20050616.html

best,
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[slim] Re: New low price on SB2!

[Michaelwagner]

pfarrell Wrote: 
> Most companies learned from Osborne Computers, one of the stars of
> personal computing in the late 70s. They announced the next great
> thing, and all the potential customers decided not to buy the current
> thing, destroying sales and depriving the company of the money they
> needed to develop the next great thing. They went poof.
Commodore nearly did the same thing a few years later. 

They recovered from it, but then died trying to bring to market and
support umpty-ump versions of the Amiga, as in:

Amiga as IBM PC killer (with an add-in PC emulator card)
Amiga as Mac killer (already was one, IMHO)
the BIG AMIGA
the small amiga
etc.

May be a lesson there too.


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[slim] Re: SB2 not connecting with WPA and AES

[jcyr]

My wireless access point is a Belkin 54G unit based on the Broadcom
chips. It connects just fine in WPA2/AES mode to laptops that use the
Intel (Centrino), Broadcom (54G), and Atheros chipsets.

Presently I'm forced to run my SB2 in unsightly wired mode since I
can't get WPA2 mode to work, and WPA with TKIP is little more than WEP
with rotating keys. Sigh...


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[slim] Power Supply RF EMI

[Daryle A. Tilroe]

I guess I could have posted this in the Elpac thread or
one of the other power supply ones; but I am only concerned
with gross EMI in the AM and FM bands, not esoteric audio
issues.

I have just hooked up an SB2 to a Tivoli Model Two for
bedroom listening.  I expected some noise from the stock
switching power supply.  However the amount of garbage,
particularly in the AM band, that the current supply
spews out when the SB2 is hooked up is ridiculous.  AM
is virtually unlistenable and FM is affected as well.

Now I am assuming that most of this EMI is from the power
supply, not generated by the SB2 itself.  Can anyone out
there with the Elpac, or other linear supply, confirm
that decent radio reception is possible with the SB2
hooked up?

Finally, are there any radio friendly switching supplies out
there?  IIRC there are some techniques to quite them down
but I suspect they are rarely used on mass market, el
cheapo, ones.  In any event I'm probably going to order
up an Elpac to see if I can get a setup where I don't have
to continually unplug the SB2 to listen to the radio.


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Re: [slim] Re: New low price on SB2!

[Marc Sherman]

Pat Farrell wrote:


I predict that the price of the SqueezeBox2 will go down slightly
over time. Then sometime in the future, an new cooler product will
come out at about the same price as the initial price of the
SqueezeBox2.

Intel has done pretty well with this business model.


It's a pretty standard model.  The first few runs of the new hardware 
were probably relatively small, so that any bugs in the new hardware 
(such as the processor unseating, and the capacitor in the analog out 
stage, etc) could be worked out before the next run.  As the bugs are 
eliminated, subsequent production runs can be larger, and per-part 
prices drop.


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[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

[maxwl]

Triode

That seems to have fixed it. Thanks for your help.
Radio 2 is back and no garbled sound (hopefully!).

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Re: [slim] Re: New low price on SB2!

[Pat Farrell]

On Sun, 2005-10-09 at 06:04 -0700, Dave D wrote:
> Patrick, can you give any hints about if this price drop is inspired by
> an upcoming new or additional product offering? 

See Patrick's response.

> An example of a great company which gives hints about new product
> offerings at the same time as offering sales on existing products is
> AV123 (av123.com).

Most companies learned from Osborne Computers, one of the stars of
personal computing in the late 70s. They announced the next great thing,
and all the potential customers decided not to buy the current thing, 
destroying sales and depriving the company of the money they needed
to develop the next great thing. They went poof.

I predict that the price of the SqueezeBox2 will go down slightly over
time. Then sometime in the future, an new cooler product will come out
at about the same price as the initial price of the SqueezeBox2.

Intel has done pretty well with this business model.

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[slim] Re: Book the cruise, honey!

[Michaelwagner]

ceejay Wrote: 
> ... mmm, just perfect for when you're sitting in the car in your
> driveway.
> 
> Not so good when you drive off and leave the range of your wireless
> network :)
Put it in promiscuious mode and have it fade in and out as you pick up
on other people's wireless networks in the area ... just like the good
old days of AM radio 

Actually, I was expecting the in-dash version to be wired only, wired
to the in-car ethernet supported by the server in your trunk.

You don't know about trunk servers? I found this reference (notice the
last line)

> 2005 SlimServer Commit by kdf :: r4584
> /branches/BRANCH_TT_WRAPPER/server/ (6 files in 4 dirs): (link) 
> Description: - updates from trunk

But seriously, folks, I'm sure I saw a description of someone a while
ago who put something like a buffalo linkstation in their trunk and ran
a moded squeezebox in their dash. It wouldn't take much for SLIM to come
up with a box that fit the form factor of a car radio. 

A word of warning ... if you want to try this at home, read carefully
the articles on the net about getting clean power in a car. It's not a
simple task ... you have to be very careful about assumptions during
startup and shutdown of the engine. It's a very spikey environment.

Oh, and I think they used wireless to update the system from the home
system when it was parked in the garage at night ...


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Re: [slim] Re: New low price on SB2!

[Patrick Cosson]

"no hints, no forecasts, no previews."
- Justice Ginsberg 

As she stated during her congressional hearings when nominated for the US
Supreme Court


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"Simply put, Slim Devices' Squeezebox2 is the best product in its class.
You're not buying a computer peripheral, but rather a superbly engineered
audiophile component."

Editors¹ Choice | LAPTOP Magazine | September 2005





On 10/9/05 6:04 AM, "Dave D" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> 
> patrick Wrote: 
>> Line right up...you don't have wait any longer to purchase a second,
>> third, or even fourth Squeezebox2!
> 
> Patrick, can you give any hints about if this price drop is inspired by
> an upcoming new or additional product offering?  I would be disappointed
> to buy another SB2, only to see an "audiophile" version come out a few
> months later, or a version with integrated amplifier, etc.
> 
> An example of a great company which gives hints about new product
> offerings at the same time as offering sales on existing products is
> AV123 (av123.com).  I recently bought a set of their closeout Rocket
> ELT speakers, even though I knew that they were coming out with a whole
> new line of even better speakers for the budget-minded folks (the
> X-series).  Why didn't I wait for X? I just didn't like the new finish
> offerings, vs. the older speakers.  But at least I had a choice.
> 
> I know that might be a bit radical approach to marketing, but it's very
> effective. AV123 has an extremely loyal customer base, similar to that
> of Slim Devices, who are constantly salivating about product offerings
> which are announced far in advance of availability.  By the time the
> product is available, they've often sold out of the first shipments via
> pre-orders.
> 
> I'm not suggesting a "far in advance" approach in your market of audio
> electronics.  Not even suggesting that you give details of any product
> until it is released (your competitors could be faster than you).
> However, a little hint would be nice, e.g. "yes, we're planning a new
> product release around the holidays which will be geared more toward
> the higher end."  Or if it's just good ol' Slim Devices, making their
> flagship more affordable, you could make that clear, as well.
> 
> Removing the "2" from the SB2's splash screen has us all wondering
> what's going on.
> 
> Thanks, Dave
> 


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Re: [slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

[Triode]

Re Radio2.

Just to say we are aware of this and are working on a solution for the next version of Alien - it's due to the radio 2 metafile 
including two streams - the ident one and then the real stream. By default Alien only plays the first one.


For the moment, if you are happy editing perl files, try:

edit Plugins/Alien/RTSP.pm

change the line:
   my $multistream;

to:
   my $multistream = 1;


However another related problem. I hope someone can help.
With live radio 2 all I get is the following audio at the start..
"You're listening to BBC Radio 2 live online at
www.bbcradio.co.uk/radio2"



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[slim] Re: Before i buy, i need a couple of important questions answering please :)

[radish]

If you use something that is gapless-aware to do the transcode (like
foobar2000) then maybe. Give it a shot with one album and see what
happens. You'll get a quality drop though, as you're doing a
lossy-lossy transcode. Personally, I'd just rerip into something
lossless.


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[slim] Re: Before i buy, i need a couple of important questions answering please :)

[dangerous_dom]

Would trans-coding from mp3 to OGG help?


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[slim] Buy now or wait till Christmas?

[dangerous_dom]

Just wondering when Slim Devices plans are. Will there be a new model
out before or around xmas time?


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Re: [slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

[Bill Burns]

lordypieman wrote:


I have the same problem as Maxwl with Radio 2. It plays only the
introduction, and keeps repeating it. It is also played at (I'm
guessing) double speed with gaps between each repetition.


I had the same thing on some feeds; the double-speed fix for 
slimserver-convert.conf shown on Neil's page took care of it:

http://www.x2systems.com/alienbbc/mplayer.html

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[slim] Re: Squeezebox hostname ?

[Aefron]

Thanks for answering Radish.

Unfortunately, I've tried to put dummy names but it still doesn't
work...

I must have missed something and will try again this kind of
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[slim] Re: Before i buy, i need a couple of important questions answering please :)

[radish]

dangerous_dom Wrote: 
> 
> I know that FLAC and OGG support it, but how does the player know it's
> a gappless album or not? 
> 
It doesn't, it plays them all the same. Non-gapless albums have encoded
silence at the end of tracks. 
> 
> I plan to rip gapless and non-gapples ablums in the same way - single
> OGG or FLAC files. Is there a setting in the encoder/ripper that needs
> to be set? Or do i just rip my albums and it's done automatically?
> 
No settings, just do them all the same.
> 
> And is there anyway at all i can instruct it to play my MP3 tracks
> gapless?
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[slim] Re: Slimserver install gives error message

[dangerous_dom]

I also had this. Is it ok to just ignore it?


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[slim] UK Power Supplies

[chrisaj]

I've been limping along for a while now in the U.K. without proper power
supplies for my squeezeboxes. (due to extreme lazyness, I run on the
power supplies that they shipped with in the U.S. together with
Radioshack voltage downconverters, which tend to cut out every 2 hours
or so)

Any recomendations on good power supplies that are widely available in
the U.K.? E.g., what power supply do the boxes ship with here? My main
concern is something that is reliable, although I am happy to spend a
little more for somethign that will improve sound quality. I am not
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Re: [slim] Music Info Screensaver

[Michael Herger]

Just a note - Although I enter it as uppercase (ALBUM) in the server  
settings, it appears (Album) in the player settings.


This is one of the misteries I never investigated enough to understand:  
some of those fields are replaced by their respective string or  
translation from strings.txt. Album is one of them, title is another one...


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[slim] Re: Slimserver install gives error message

[vdorta]

I installed it on a different computer (Windows XP SP2) and it gives a
similar erro about the perl58.dll file. I don't think this is a
coincidence, so there may be something wrong with the .exe file at the
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[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

[neilcoburn]

It's now working for me, after a PC re-boot.


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[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

[lordypieman]

I've replaced my MPlayer.exe with the alpha version from the link
provided here in the forum and the performance is (so far) faultless.
I'll run it for a few days and report back after a longer trial.

I have the same problem as Maxwl with Radio 2. It plays only the
introduction, and keeps repeating it. It is also played at (I'm
guessing) double speed with gaps between each repetition.
Radio Five Live plays at double speed too, which gaps every couple of
seconds. Radios 1,3,4,6,7 all work fine.

Anyone got a fix for th problem with radio 2 and 5? 

Lordypieman

Piii 833MHz, 256Mb RAM
Windows 2kSP4
SlimServer 6.2
AlienBBC 0.98


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[slim] Re: New low price on SB2!

[Dave D]

patrick Wrote: 
> Line right up...you don't have wait any longer to purchase a second,
> third, or even fourth Squeezebox2!

Patrick, can you give any hints about if this price drop is inspired by
an upcoming new or additional product offering?  I would be disappointed
to buy another SB2, only to see an "audiophile" version come out a few
months later, or a version with integrated amplifier, etc.

An example of a great company which gives hints about new product
offerings at the same time as offering sales on existing products is
AV123 (av123.com).  I recently bought a set of their closeout Rocket
ELT speakers, even though I knew that they were coming out with a whole
new line of even better speakers for the budget-minded folks (the
X-series).  Why didn't I wait for X? I just didn't like the new finish
offerings, vs. the older speakers.  But at least I had a choice.

I know that might be a bit radical approach to marketing, but it's very
effective. AV123 has an extremely loyal customer base, similar to that
of Slim Devices, who are constantly salivating about product offerings
which are announced far in advance of availability.  By the time the
product is available, they've often sold out of the first shipments via
pre-orders.

I'm not suggesting a "far in advance" approach in your market of audio
electronics.  Not even suggesting that you give details of any product
until it is released (your competitors could be faster than you). 
However, a little hint would be nice, e.g. "yes, we're planning a new
product release around the holidays which will be geared more toward
the higher end."  Or if it's just good ol' Slim Devices, making their
flagship more affordable, you could make that clear, as well.

Removing the "2" from the SB2's splash screen has us all wondering
what's going on.

Thanks, Dave


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[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

[MrStan]

This appears to have been added to the BBC Radio player recently as
well, but only for Radio 2.

The AlienBBC Plugin appears to be playing:-
rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio2/r2online_id.rm which now only gives the
announcement. 

It should be playing:-
rtsp://rmlivev8.bbc.net.uk/farm/*/ev7/live24/radio2/live/r2_dsat_g2.ra
as long as the BBC doesn't change it.


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[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

[trevtu]

If you are having a problem getting the new mplayer to work try this:-

Stop Slimserver
rename your existing mplayer
extract the new mplayer to ?:\Program
Files\SlimServer\server\Bin\MSWin32-x86-multi-thread
REBOOT your PC

Try a live stream.

This worked for me after a failed first attempt. I had been listening
to Alien BBC before installing the mplayer update and I think that in
that case the reboot ensures a clean start.

Trevor.


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Re: [slim] Re: Best Performance - recommendations?

[Robin Bowes]

ModelCitizen said the following on 08/10/2005 19:25:

Unfortunately this laptop is not a high spec machine. It only has a
500ghz P3 processor and O.5gb Ram. 


You might like to check that - when I was logged in when you had CentOS 
installed the machine only appeared to have 192MB physical RAM .


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[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

[maxwl]

It appears to have worked for me, another clueless windows user. I have
had live radio 3 and radio 4 playing for about 1 hour each and they
seem ok. Obviously more testing will be useful.

However another related problem. I hope someone can help.
With live radio 2 all I get is the following audio at the start..
"You're listening to BBC Radio 2 live online at
www.bbcradio.co.uk/radio2"

and then nothing. just silence.

The other BBC live stations seem fine.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance
Max
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[slim] Re: SB2 not connecting with WPA and AES

[Milhouse]

Michael Amster Wrote: 
> If we have SB1s, we have to run WEP networks, right?  It would require a
> 
> separate wireless network for SB1s and SB2s to allow WPA?
> 

Or you could buy a cheap wireless client device such as a Linksys
WRT54G (~$50) which will provide you with 11g/WPA connectivity for your
SB1 - yep, it's a second box and not ideal but it is an option, and
running a second network would most likely require that you purchase a
second AP anyway so assuming you have only one SB1 it would be better
to convert it to 11g (particularly as the existence of the 11b network
would not be good for your 11g network).

jcyr Wrote: 
> ... Still won't connect to Bellkin (Broadcom) wireless access point when
> configured to AES.
> 

Argg - it's a Belkin :)

What devices are in the laptops - are they Belkin or Intel or ?


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[slim] Re: Before i buy, i need a couple of important questions answering please :)

[dangerous_dom]

/enter the newbie...

I have downloaded Slimsever to have a look before i get a Sqeezebox2
but i am a little confused at to how the gappless playback works.

I know that FLAC and OGG support it, but how does the player know it's
a gappless album or not? I plan to rip gapless and non-gapples ablums
in the same way - single OGG or FLAC files. Is there a setting in the
encoder/ripper that needs to be set? Or do i just rip my albums and
it's done automatically? I take it that the FLAC/OGG files all end
right at the end of the music in the track, i just don't get how the
Slimserver/Sqeezebox knows how next track should be played striaght
after the last file or if there should be a gapp inserted. Or am i
worrying about nothing and it's all handled at the time of ripping?

Sorry for the newbie questions, i have very little experience with FLAC
and OGG and need to get things striaght before i fork out the money. If
i can't achieve gapless playback with ease i will have to stick to
burning CD's with Feurio and using my CD player!

And is there anyway at all i can instruct it to play my MP3 tracks
gapless?


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[slim] SB2 wont detect new music.

[McCol]

I've had my SB2 for a couple of months with no problems until now.

I had some cd's encoded to flac in a folder on my hard drive, all was
well.  Last few days i put some new albums encoded at mp3 320 into the
same folder, when i rescan with the SB2 it is not detecting these new
files.

Any ideas?


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[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

[neilcoburn]

It doesn't work for me - it just locks up the Squeezebox and I have to
do a power cycle to get it running again.


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[slim] Re: Book the cruise, honey!

[ceejay]

Michaelwagner Wrote: 
> 5. The in-dash car version

... mmm, just perfect for when you're sitting in the car in your
driveway.

Not so good when you drive off and leave the range of your wireless
network :)

Ceejay


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