Re: [slim] Re: Yes, SB2 as alarm clock
Mark Lanctot wrote: ... I'm trying to learn perl but it's been very frustrating so far. I wanted to write a plugin from scratch but it's so confusing I just decided to modify the DateTime plugin to do this. ... Slimserver is a tough place to learn -- I do fairly well in Perl, but it's quite complex, and I haven't been able to make any headway in it the few times I've taken a stab at something. I'm lucky to have two hours in a row to work on a side project like this, and Slimserver is not the kind of project that awards that level of hacking unless you're able to take advantage of the CLI to make your project work. -- Jack at Monkeynoodle dot Org: It's a Scientific Venture... Riding the Emergency Third Rail Power Trip Since 1996 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: The Audiotron Knob, Wheel Mice etc
Can anyone tell me... is the renowned geekport of the Squeezebox an output only interface, or does it also have ability to be used for input? -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21736 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Yes, SB2 as alarm clock
stinkingpig Wrote: Slimserver is a tough place to learn -- I do fairly well in Perl, but it's quite complex, and I haven't been able to make any headway in it the few times I've taken a stab at something. I'm lucky to have two hours in a row to work on a side project like this, and Slimserver is not the kind of project that awards that level of hacking unless you're able to take advantage of the CLI to make your project work. I guess it's several things: 1. Perl doesn't quite work like most of the languages I've learned (BASIC, Pascal, Fortran, QBasic, VBA). It's more modern, more web-aware. 2. The Internet resources out there really suck. They leap from simple Hello world examples right into a full dissertation of every command. There's no in-between. I'm used to a simple progression of how to print something on the screen to looping to user input. It stops right after looping - I don't see a way to create user input via a prompt. Getting data from a file seems to be well documented though. Frustrating. 3. Perl is extremely modular. There are so many CPAN modules it's mind-boggling. This also discourages learning how to do these things from scratch - CPAN has them all for you. It's good mental exercise though, so I'll keep at it. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20518 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Is there any way to run Pandora through SlimServer?
mherger Wrote: And afaik there won't be a Pandora integration into the slimserver (please search the forum for the discussions). Oh, is that one of those things that is only going to be integrated with the squeezeboxes and not slimserver, sort of like SqueezeNetwork? -- NWP NWP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3730 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21728 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: The Audiotron Knob, Wheel Mice etc
AFAIK it's output only. At least, those are the advertised capabilities. -- Michaelwagner Michaelwagner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21736 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: sb3 browing issue
There was a problem with SB2/3 and some versions of the server, where the remote keys were doubling up. What version of the server are you running? -- Michaelwagner Michaelwagner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21745 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: The Audiotron Knob, Wheel Mice etc
Just for amusement, I visited the good old page. http://www.turtlebeach.com/site/products/audiotron/producthome.asp It's still currently unavailable :-) -- Michaelwagner Michaelwagner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21736 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: The Audiotron Knob, Wheel Mice etc
Michaelwagner Wrote: Just for amusement, I visited the good old page. http://www.turtlebeach.com/site/products/audiotron/producthome.asp It's still currently unavailable :-) You gotta wonder if the Squeezebox design, with its total lack of user controls and the goofy case designs, purposely came about so that it did NOT resemble an Audiotron. Sometimes I'm amazed at the things designers will do to avoid being labeled a copycat, often at the expense of ergonomics and aesthetics. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21736 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: The Audiotron Knob, Wheel Mice etc
If I understand the timeline, they co-existed in time. The minimalist approach of the SLiMP3 was probably because that was all they could do in a garage design (and it's quite impressive that they did what they did). Why the design continued that way when the SB1 hardware did have the ability to handle limited key input and so forth is a bigger question. The idea of a slim client is a good one ... let the stuff that is dropping in price daily (compute power, memory, disk) be left out of the design and supplied over the network. Unfortunately, such a design implies that there are other people who will build the rest of it. There are, but they're all geeks. No one has made a commercial success of (and few enough have even tried) making a Slim Server box. The Audiotron, for all that it wasn't as audiophile, was a more complete solution and for that reason, appealing. -- Michaelwagner Michaelwagner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21736 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: The Audiotron Knob, Wheel Mice etc
Michaelwagner wrote: Why the design continued that way when the SB1 hardware did have the ability to handle limited key input and so forth is a bigger question. Well, the name of the company gives away the philosophy. It is Slim Devices. The idea of a slim client is a good one ... And the other approach has been taken by many folks, from Turtle Beach to Sonos and now Microsoft and Apple. Unfortunately, such a design implies that there are other people who will build the rest of it. There are, but they're all geeks. No one has made a commercial success of (and few enough have even tried) making a Slim Server box. I'm not at all clear on what you are saying here. Making a slimserver is trivial. At least as long as you don't expect to put it in the living room with the rest of your stereo. You can use any old PC and any old operating system, whatever you want. The Audiotron, for all that it wasn't as audiophile, was a more complete solution and for that reason, appealing. For your needs, you can claim. Please don't make such claims for me, the attraction of the SqueezeBox is its slimness and open code. And its ability to put the ugly and noisy PC in the basement, far from my serious listening positions. I can not understand why people want controls and buttons on the SqueezeBox. That is what remotes, laptops and PDAs are for. My SqueezeBoxes are far away from me, putting buttons mice, touchscreens, etc on it is more than useless, it is counter productive and will raise the cost for zero benefit to me. Now on to the topic, I've got a Contour Shuttle Pro that I set up as a controller for my recording studio software. It is completely programmable. And it was pretty cheap, about $90. Wired with USB. Lots of buttons, fast and slow twist, jog wheel, etc. You'd need a trivial client application to accept the input and feed the CLI port of the SlimServer, but that would be fairly easy to do. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Is there any way to run Pandora through SlimServer?
Oh, is that one of those things that is only going to be integrated with the squeezeboxes and not slimserver, sort of like SqueezeNetwork? Pandora is in fact only running on SqueezeNetwork. -- Michael --- Help translate SlimServer by using the StringEditor Plugin (http://www.herger.net/slim/) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: The Audiotron Knob, Wheel Mice etc
pfarrell Wrote: The Audiotron, for all that it wasn't as audiophile, was a more complete solution and for that reason, appealing. For your needs, you can claim. Please don't make such claims for me Pat, I think you misunderstood my point. I'm not even making such claims for myself. I had no problem setting up a slimserver box. But a lot of people do. Just look at how many problems we field here on the forums with setup problems. Clearly some people are finding it non-trivial. Michael -- Michaelwagner Michaelwagner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21736 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: The Audiotron Knob, Wheel Mice etc
Michaelwagner Wrote: Now you can't put a knob on a remote without turning it into a 2 hand remote, but I have seen remotes with knurled knobs that do essentially the same thing. I had a VCR with one years ago (the VCR died, so I threw out the remote, so I can't include a picture, but the remote was fine and had no knurled-knob-life issues). You mean like this? It's too bad I don't use my VCR anymore. This is a great feature of the remote. It's got a nice tactile click/indent as you rotate it, it's raised up enough that it's easy to access yet protected enough that it isn't accidentally rotated, and you can push down on it. The only drawback is it makes the remote VERY thick. See the second picture, sorry for the grunge! I've also seen something like this on a model railroad controller: http://www.plasticando.com/magazine/0309/NCE_file/clip_image004.jpg, the SPEED knob in the top centre. This one isn't as nice as the Panasonic, doesn't click and can't be pressed, but it doesn't make the case quite as thick. +---+ |Filename: remote wheel 2.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=977| +---+ -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21736 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: The Audiotron Knob, Wheel Mice etc
pfarrell Wrote: The idea of a slim client is a good one ... And the other approach has been taken by many folks, from Turtle Beach to Sonos and now Microsoft and Apple. Sounds like a trend. Maybe there's a good reason. I can not understand why people want controls and buttons on the SqueezeBox. That is what remotes, laptops and PDAs are for. My SqueezeBoxes are far away from me, putting buttons mice, touchscreens, etc on it is more than useless, it is counter productive and will raise the cost for zero benefit to me. Why? Because it's an audio product, not some geek gadget that is cool because you can fart to make it send an email to your Aunt Edna. Leave the geekiness out of it and just give it some basic ergonomics. I'd never buy a preamp, for instance, that only used a remote control. Imagine not being able to walk over to your stereo and turn a knob or press a button to turn the damned thing up or down. That's the Squeezebox. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21736 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Ugh, coworker is buying a Sonos
Gildahl Wrote: I own a couple of SqueezeBoxes and just visited the Sonos site for the first time upon reading this thread. the Sonos is definitely a cool looking product (at 3x the price per station, it should be), but it really is in a different category than the SB. To me, the SB is more like a component that supplements an existing system, whereas the Sonos is more like a high-end, self-contained, whole-house audio system. Both can crossover and function in the other role, but which one you buy really depends on what you're expecting and want to pay. I picture the Sonos user as someone who wants to put a sound system in a lot of rooms, many of which don't already have dedicated sound systems. This user wants to be able to carry a (very impressive) propritary remote around the house and control the music to the entire house from wherever he/she is. This user also wants a turn-key system with as little dependency on a server as possible. On the other hand, I picture the SB user as someone whose main goal is to stream their music collection to an existing sound system or systems. Who tends to primarily play/control their music in one room at a time. And who considers simulcasting to other rooms or the whole house a secondary priority. This user also tends to be comfortable having their music on a real server and considers it an advantage. Judging from what I've heard, the sound quality of both systems is otherwise comparable. Setup is probably a little bit more complex on the SB, but I certainly wouldn't say it was difficult. So it really comes down to how you intend to use the system that would determine one's choice. If the Sonos and SB were the same price, I think I would still have gone with the SB. I don't need more amplifiers, I like using my universal remote, I really like the open-source server concept, and the display on the SB units is exceptional. I can certainly see why the Sonos system is compelling to some, but for me, it is not competition. It's just another category of product. Exactly! The thing that turned me off of Sonos and towards Slim: - cost - no digital outputs - included amplifier - closed source - cost (did I mention that already?) But its approach would be appreciated by those with lots of money and little time/desire for tweaking. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21684 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: The Audiotron Knob, Wheel Mice etc
JJZolx wrote: pfarrell Wrote: And the other approach has been taken by many folks, from Turtle Beach to Sonos and now Microsoft and Apple. Sounds like a trend. Maybe there's a good reason. Sure its a trend. Turtle Beach's product died. Microsoft and Apple are in bed with the content providers, Apple will soon own Disney outright. Perhaps having embeded DRM is acceptable to your Aunt Edna it is not to me. Why? Because it's an audio product, not some geek gadget that is cool because you can fart to make it send an email to your Aunt Edna. Leave the geekiness out of it and just give it some basic ergonomics. Then it would not be Slim. Hey, I have zero problem if you can convince Slim Devices to go head to head with Sony and Panasonic and all the other Audio/Visual vendors. However, there is no mass market for audio-only products that are not portable. Zero. The 'audio only' market is a niche, the mass market folks are doing iPods and home theater. I'd never buy a preamp, for instance, that only used a remote control. Imagine not being able to walk over to your stereo and turn a knob or press a button to turn the damned thing up or down. That's the Squeezebox. I insisted on a remote for my Amp, until I got my SqueezeBox and started controlling it with my laptop. And it is occasionally handy to go over and turn the big volume knob down. I probably do it once every six months. However, a big mute button on the top of the SqueezeBox is all that I would ever use, the knob twist part of the control is totally 70s 'hi-fi' to me. Still making the Contour Shuttle be a controller for the laptop might be a fun hack. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: The Audiotron Knob, Wheel Mice etc
Michaelwagner wrote: pfarrell Wrote: The Audiotron, for all that it wasn't as audiophile, was a more complete solution and for that reason, appealing. For your needs, you can claim. Please don't make such claims for me Pat, I think you misunderstood my point. Probably so. I'm not even making such claims for myself. I had no problem setting up a slimserver box. But a lot of people do. Just look at how many problems we field here on the forums with setup problems. Clearly some people are finding it non-trivial. I don't think the traffic on the forums is a reliable statistic. How many people who buy it, connect it, and install the software and are happy are likely to post? Computers are not, yet, toasters. They take some setup. Adding features and installation wizards may be appealing to some, but I don't have any feeling if it would be good for the product. The classic example of features is Microsoft Word, which no one can use more than 20% of the features, and most people use under 5%. With the hundreds of millions of copies sold, the engineering cost is low, but the cost to me as a user is unacceptable. For the volumes that Slim sells SqueezeBoxes, adding features has costs that would have to be passed on to me. Either in direct cost, or in extended development times which means delay before I get cool stuff. I just don't see a SqueezeBox ever being a mass market device no matter what the remote looks like or how easy it is for Slim Devices to fix broken WiFi routers. I'd love to know how many real world customers consider the SqueezeBox and decide against it because the setup is too hard. And of course, how easy would it have to be to convert what percentage of those refuseniks to customers. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How to Edit Radio station to display Call Letters?
Well, double D-Oh!!! Dunno how I missed that. Sorry to see it can't be made to display on the SB itself. Also, I tried this with text editor on my Mac. After opening slimserver.pref there was no favorites section so I just typed in the two favorites paragraphs per the example in the correct alphabetical location in the pref file. However, in the Slimserver display, nothing seems to have changed. This may be more than I understand---even though I ask SlimServer to tune into KFAB at http://tinyurl.com/jx7xm, and even though this works perfectly as far as the broadcast being very audible, in the Slimserver Now Playing window (on the right) the location mms://69.45.64.10:80/D/637/19954/v0001/reflector:42279?MSWMExt=.asf Afraid I'm really a noob to this, I guess that this tiny inconvenience isn't too bad. Have already ordered a second SB to hook into my intercom system! Thanks again, Jim -- jimbob67 jimbob67's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21743 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] WDS network issues
My Mac (OS 10.4.5) is connected to two Squeezeboxes wirelessly using two Airport Extreme base stations as main and remote in a WDS network (the Mac to main base station is a wired connection). By the way, my DHCP server is my router, wired to the main base station. Apple states (and I have tested this) that the network names of the two stations in a WDS network must be the same. So how can I tell which base station the Squeezebox is connecting to, and can I force it to choose one over the other? I think I previously had the stations with different network names, which solved the issue, and that the requirement for the same name is fairly new. I am asking the question because I think the SB can see both base stations and is actually connecting to the main one rather than the remote, which leads to a much lower signal. The whole point of the setup was to get a higher signal by connecting to the remote station. The second SB gets a much higher signal, though it is very much further from either base station (I suspect that it can only see the remote station). Not that the low signal leads to problems with music at present, but I would prefer it to be higher. -- danco danco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=210 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21762 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] NETGEAR model DG834PN WPA-PSK connection problem with Squeezebox 3
Hello, First post, new SB3 user, please be gentle.. NETGEAR model DG834PN Firmware V1.03.18 Latest and only version available. SLIMSERVER: SlimServer_v2006-03-04.exe Firmware version: 35 WINXP SP2 fully patched, new install. Successful connections using: Disable - This will disable the security function. Data will not be encrypted before transmission. WEP - WEP (Wired Equivalent Privacy) Authentication Type: default value of Automatic. Encryption Strength : 128-bit encryption If I use WPA-PSK Security Encryption I am unable to connect and get the following message: Problem: Cant connect to wireless network. Press LEFT to go back, RIGHT to try again. Simple Network Key: 12345678 From the NETGEAR Wireless Settings Help For WPA-PSK, you need to enter the Network Key here. The Key must be from 8 to 63 ASCII characters. Your Wireless Stations must use the same key. WPA Encryption: Currently, only TKIP is supported. Ensure your Wireless Stations are also using TKIP. Normally, this is the default. If there is no choice of encryption methods for WPA-PSK, then you can assume TKIP will be used. I sent this to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' and also posted here,as I found others with similar problems. Should I also post a bug report? Does anyone have any ideas on this and how to debug the WPA connection problem? Thanks Shinyspoon -- shinyspoon shinyspoon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4353 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21764 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] WDS network issues
danco wrote: So how can I tell which base station the Squeezebox is connecting to, and can I force it to choose one over the other? I had a similar problem and solved it by turning on MAC filtering and setting things up so that Squeezebox connection attempts are rejected by the undesirable access point. SBB ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Ugh, coworker is buying a Sonos
Michaelwagner Wrote: You are, of course, correct, radish. If SSL is good enough for the internet at large, it's going to be OK in a 200 foot wireless radius. My comments about wardriving a cray were meant to be humourous. And they were :) I was just imagining a trailer with one of those crazy old hexagonal towers that looked like something out of DOctor Who attached. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21684 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: The Audiotron Knob, Wheel Mice etc
JJZolx wrote: I'd never buy a preamp, for instance, that only used a remote control. Imagine not being able to walk over to your stereo and turn a knob or press a button to turn the damned thing up or down. That's the Squeezebox. I agree with this - I'd like to be able to control the SB from the box itself rather than needing to use the remote or a computer. Just simple stuff - start, stop, maybe navigation arrows. Not the full number pad or anything. R. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] The SqueezeBox Audiophile Solution
Many have questioned why SD doesn't market an audiophile form factor SquieezeBox - there's been much talk about this and even I was posting in the past hoping for a positive response. SD maintains they need a mass market device and yes, they have one but audiophiles have championed the 19 rack standard and so have I. At some point it becomes clear the perfect solution for SD is to sell their existing SB's in a disassembled version with long leads for the display (this minimizes any new production costs and offers audiophiles just what they need a DIY SueezeBox Installation kit). I've attached some photos of my SB2 installation which involved purchasing a 2U rack panel, (1) rack shelf for the SB components, measuring the display cutout requirements and having a machinist laser cut the hole and score the panel. Not even a days work! For those of you who absolutely don't want to open the SB up to remote the display you can simply sit the SB behind the panel (requires making very accurate measurements for height and width including those rubber feet). Your choice of filters should take into consideration the exiting SB filter and your lighting environment. I think you'll agree this is a solution even an audiophile will love. Next up - many of you have complained about the SB remote. We should keep in mind this is a network device which means if you really want to talk about a comprehensive solution purchase a Bluetooth PDA (i.e. Palm LifeDrive), Salling Clicker (remote client) with SlimServer and the SB - you'll be able to do nice things like everything from the PDA without needing line-of-sight to talk to the SB. You'll also be able to control lights w/Indigo, iDVD, iTunes, iPhoto and the whole freakin world. Once we put into perspective the SB firmware is updatable, the software is Open Source and they still use screws to hold the SB together we can do just about whatever we want.. Enjoy +---+ |Filename: P1000158.JPG | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=981| +---+ -- Masterbaron Masterbaron's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=203 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21765 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: WDS network issues
Thanks, that did it. Just set the main base station to only accept the remote station, not the SB. Had to go through the setup again on the SB, at first it couldn't find the network. But now it is getting a sensible 80% strength while before it was hovering around 20% (the more distant SB had around 60%). -- danco danco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=210 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21762 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Is there any way to run Pandora through SlimServer?
Well, for what it's worth, here's a subscription that ain't happening because of no Slimserver support. -- Malor Malor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1961 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21728 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Yes, SB2 as alarm clock
Just FYI Mark. in Unix, everything is a file... except, of course, when it's not :) To talk to the user in a simple way, open standard input as a file and get lines from it. Likewise, you print to standard output. This is primitive and ugly, but it should work for simple stuff. -- Malor Malor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1961 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20518 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Yes, SB2 as alarm clock
Malor Wrote: Just FYI Mark. in Unix, everything is a file... except, of course, when it's not :) To talk to the user in a simple way, open standard input as a file and get lines from it. Likewise, you print to standard output. This is primitive and ugly, but it should work for simple stuff. Hmm. It's just really confusing. In BASIC and FORTRAN, you can have the program pause with a prompt for user input. This makes learning the languages easier - you can enter custom strings and values. I'm still in the early stages with perl, but at this point in the process I would have already seen something about how to do this... -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20518 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Stream CD Audio from CD-drive without ripping?
Is it possible to play a CD live through SB? I envision putting an Audio CD into the CD-ROM drive of the slimserver host PC, or other network shared CD-ROM drive, then stream it through SlimServer so that I can listen to it on my main system where Squeezebox is installed. As it is now, I have to rip every new CD I buy before I can listen to them (I am very lazy). I also have to store the ripped music on my harddrive, which for CDs I rarely play is not efficient. When friends come over to listen to music, I have to rip their CDs before I can play them, and that is inconvenient, and I always wonder if they think I am stealing their music which, of course, I am when I rip it to my hard drive. I want them to fall in love with the sound, convenience and cool factor of Squeezebox too. Making them wait half hour while I rip 10 CDs to 5GB of drive is not a good first impression. Since Windows Media Player, iTunes, MusicMatch, and probably a million other free software players can all stream PCM audio directly from the CD-ROM drive to PC's audio driver without ripping, and since Slimserver can already stream PCM to Squeezebox, it seems to me that all the pieces are in place to be able to stream CDs 'live' to SB from a CD-ROM drive through slimserver. Maybe there is some legal impediment to this scheme, because it seems like this is not a very original idea on my part... I think all you would have to do is add a section in the server setup dialog to declare CD-ROM drive letter or URL sharename, then add a menu selection on SB like Browse CD-ROM. I think such a feature would really enhance the enjoyment of the Squeezebox for many people. It is really the only major negative aspect of switching to Squeezebox as my main player, I can't play CDs directly on it. OK now comes 40 responses containing links to existing plug-ins, pages in the manual and workarounds that allow me to play CD's. This is the best audio forum on the net! Thanks Rich -- richidoo richidoo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3097 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21767 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Is there any way to run Pandora through SlimServer?
I got his in my Inbox yesterday. I don't even know what the hell Pandora is, but it seems this marketing email from Patrick did not get much of a reading. Posted in its entirety below: Dear Slim Devices Customer, We're excited to announce that we've added support for Pandora, an amazing music service, to SqueezeNetwork for Squeezebox2 and Squeezebox v3 owners. Pandora is a music discovery service that lets you create custom stations based on your favorite songs or artists. If you haven't experienced Pandora, I recommend that you visit http://www.pandora.com and try it out on your computer. The first time I used Pandora on my Squeezebox, I was glued to my listening chair the entire weekend. Since Pandora is part of SqueezeNetwork, you can even listen to it without your computer being on. To try it out with your Squeezebox, log on to http://www.squeezenetwork.com/ and sign up for a trial Pandora account by clicking on the Pandora link on the top-right of the page. Then use your remote to connect your Squeezebox to SqueezeNetwork and browse into Pandora Radio. I have more good news. Squeezebox v3 and Squeezebox2 owners can listen FREE to Pandora for 90-days. US-based customers can continue their Pandora service for only $36 per year. This is truly a killer app. Cheers, Patrick Cosson P.S. If you're not in the US, please feel free to recommend local content providers that you think would make great partners for Slim Devices. --- Patrick Cosson V-P, Sales Marketing Slim Devices, Inc. 415-359-7407 cell 413-638-5248 efax Over all, you have to love this sweet, satisfying machine. Its creators have sweated so many details, you want to hand them a towel. Now that CD players, tape decks and turntables are rapidly disappearing, the Squeezebox brings us one step closer to the era of the stereo-free stereo. New York Times | David Pogue | 9 Feb 2006 -- richidoo richidoo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3097 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21728 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: The SqueezeBox Audiophile Solution
Nice job, Masterbaron! That must have taken a hunk of time to get it all integrated and packaged so neatly. I like the look of the stock SQB3 myself, but you are right - there is a need for a rack mount player. Pro studios could use a player that can play all compressed formats with excellent quality, and for easy reference to archived work on a network server. This avoids having to fire up Logic Pro or whatever battelship audio program just to hear a clip from another project, or just a reference CD as in during mix down or mastering. There is usually plenty of useless junk in those studio racks, a Squeezebox would get a lot more use than some tube flanger or old rack mount FM synth. I think you have the basis for a new business! Make sure you use a great internal power supply! Rich -- richidoo richidoo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3097 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21765 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Palm Controlling Squeezebox
So I've read that with a palm tx with wifi using blazer as my browser I should be able to access my slimserver and control my squeezebox using http://yourserver:9000/Handheld/. After substituting my server address I continue to get that the page you requested cannot be displayed. There must be a preference somewhere that I'm missing either on my handheld or the computer. I am using a windows xp computer and have allowed sharing. Any help would be much appreciated. -- shapin01 shapin01's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4267 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21768 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stream CD Audio from CD-drive without ripping?
Media players don't really stream the PCM from the CD. What they do is tell the CD Drive, Please Play, and adjust the sound card's CD input for audio. (There is a little 3-pin wire that runs from your CD drive directly to your sound card.) The OS never actually sees that audio so has no way of passing it back to slimserver. It doesn't even really go through a 'sound driver', just that little 3-wire cable straight to the sound card. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21767 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Yes, SB2 as alarm clock
Open standard input, as a file, for reading. Open standard output for writing. It's possible perl may have automatically done some or all of this... I'm NOT a perl expert by any means. There's a function that gets a line from a file. Use that function on your new filehandle. That pauses, waiting for a line to be complete... ie, the user hits enter. (or control-D, the Unix EOF character). Process that line. Print results to standard output. Repeat if necessary. In BASIC, you had: INPUT Give me a value,A$ I can't give you the exact perl syntax because I don't use it much, but you do it in two steps: Print Give me a value to standard output; Get a line from standard input. This is actually an extremely powerful way to think about the problem, as is nearly always the case in Unix. This means that you can run your program just as easily from a file as from a user. Script up some test cases, dump them in a file, and redirect from that file to standard input. Your program neither knows nor cares that it's actually talking to a file, to a network socket, or to another program. It's just input. Many of the conventions will seem very strange, coming from microcomputer languages, but there's good reasons for most things. Perl is a rather ugly language; I don't care for it much. If you're trying to learn enough to work on SlimServer, you're stuck with it, but if you just want general Unix scripting, many people prefer Python. Or you can just use bash... the shell itself has a very powerful, albeit somewhat arcane, script language. You might look through the O'Reilly books. Remember that when you learned BASIC and FORTRAN, you probably bought books to do it. Documentation, sadly, must often be paid for, even when the program itself is free. -- Malor Malor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1961 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20518 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stream CD Audio from CD-drive without ripping?
Actually, these days, most media players (on Windows anyway) do stream the PCM - at least as an option. I know I don't have any of the CD audio cables hooked up in my machine and it works just fine. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21767 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Problems Scanning large library in OS X with SS
Hi, I was an old SB2 user that eventually abandoned it because of chronic issues with the box and the server software. This was about 9 months ago. Recently, lured by both Squeezenetwork (generally) and Pandora (specifically) I jumped back in and bought 2 lovely new black SB3s. Connecting to the Squeezenetwork is a breeze and Pandora works brilliantly. Problem I am having, and it was an intermittent problem before that seems to be worse now, is scanning. I have aa large CD collection and about 2500 are ripped to two Buffalo SAN boxes (which I highly recommend after being burned by LaCie, TWICE). When I scan, I end up with 340 albums and 602 songs by 216 artists. Many albums are one or two songs long, despite having the entire album available on the SAN. My Itunes database is correct, and everything is fully playable off of the Mac (that is, I have tested that the music is still there in Itunes with success). To begin with, I have just instructed Slim Server to reference my Itunes file, rather than going through the trouble of mapping the drives in SS (although I can be persuaded otherwise). Am running 6.2.1 Slim Server (which seems to be the latest version, unless I have missed something on the slimdevices website). I am running a Dual 2.5 Mac G5 (latest OS X) with 4gb of ram. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am very excited with the look and performance of the new boxes (and have already helped sell two more to friends through my enthusiasm), but this problem definitely rubs some of the polish off of my experience, and any help you can provide would be dearly appreciated... Chris ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: The Audiotron Knob, Wheel Mice etc
pfarrell Wrote: I don't think the traffic on the forums is a reliable statistic. A fair point. How many people who buy it, connect it, and install the software and are happy are likely to post? I don't know. Does anyone know sales numbers for the SB3? We could subtract the complaints that come up here from the total and take a guess. Computers are not, yet, toasters. They take some setup. But we're not talking computers, we're talking Squeezeboxen. People buy the squeezebox thinking it will just work. I think someone said a few weeks ago ... I thought I was buying an audio product, not buying into a development project. For the volumes that Slim sells SqueezeBoxes, adding features has costs that would have to be passed on to me. Either in direct cost, or in extended development times which means delay before I get cool stuff. So make the install wizards modular and you don't have to run them. Run the Developer's nightly version with all the cool features that are only half checked out. But I don't think usability features have to delay cool stuff. If Slim puts the staff into better testing and QA. Which they seem inclined to do, since they just hired in that area. I just don't see a SqueezeBox ever being a mass market device no matter what the remote looks like or how easy it is for Slim Devices to fix broken WiFi routers. Perhaps not, but even *somewhat* more mass market might well drop the price a hundred. That would be nice. And might get more people working on cool features faster. I'd love to know how many real world customers consider the SqueezeBox and decide against it because the setup is too hard. Yeah, that would be a hard thing to find out unless Slim told us the results of their internal research (which seems unlikely). -- Michaelwagner Michaelwagner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21736 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Ugh, coworker is buying a Sonos
I went looking for a picture of our machine, but couldn't find any online. We had a Cray XMP on our machine floor. In the '80s, these were considered top of the line cryptanalysis machines. We didn't use them for that - we (well, the people we worked for) were solving chemistry and astronomy problems with them. But they sure were impressive machines for the time. Here's a picture of a different one. http://www.cqrsoft.com/history/cray.htm And for scale, some kids with this one. http://www.jacobsschool.ucsd.edu/~lsmarr/photos/kids%20in%20cray.jpg -- Michaelwagner Michaelwagner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21684 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: The Audiotron Knob, Wheel Mice etc
pfarrell Wrote: I'd love to know how many real world customers consider the SqueezeBox and decide against it because the setup is too hard. Heh, count my 77-year-old Dad as one of them. He's got XM Radio but wants to drop it at the end of his committment because he only listens to one station for a few minutes a day. I told him I'd send him a Slimp3 and he could have unlimited internet radio with no monthly fee (he has a broadband connection already). He was pumped about it until I mentioned he'd have to get a switch/router. Completely lost him there and he bailed. This from a retired engineer who has owned 5 or 6 different computers. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21736 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: The Audiotron Knob, Wheel Mice etc
Pat Farrell wrote: Michaelwagner wrote: pfarrell Wrote: The Audiotron, for all that it wasn't as audiophile, was a more complete solution and for that reason, appealing. For your needs, you can claim. Please don't make such claims for me Pat, I think you misunderstood my point. Probably so. I'm not even making such claims for myself. I had no problem setting up a slimserver box. But a lot of people do. Just look at how many problems we field here on the forums with setup problems. Clearly some people are finding it non-trivial. I don't think the traffic on the forums is a reliable statistic. How many people who buy it, connect it, and install the software and are happy are likely to post? Computers are not, yet, toasters. They take some setup. remember: http://www.monkeynoodle.org/comp/suck I'd love to know how many real world customers consider the SqueezeBox and decide against it because the setup is too hard. And of course, how easy would it have to be to convert what percentage of those refuseniks to customers. A bright guy I work with went round and round with me about 6 months back about how much better Sonos was, and how he was buying that instead. He's perfectly capable of doing the home server route but wanted to reduce the number of devices in the house. I politely disagreed and changed the subject. Yesterday he IM'ed me with some questions about the best Slimserver platform, as he's buying some Squeezeboxes. Pandora pushed him over the edge. In other words, the flexibility lost in the Sonos solution was what eventually killed that solution for him. Flexibility roots in and results in the issues that people complain about here whenever they want to tell SDI how to run its business. Draw your own conclusions. -- Jack at Monkeynoodle dot Org: It's a Scientific Venture... Riding the Emergency Third Rail Power Trip Since 1996 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: The Audiotron Knob, Wheel Mice etc
stinkingpig Wrote: Flexibility roots in and results in the issues that people complain about here whenever they want to tell SDI how to run its business. I don't understand this paragraph. And I don't understand how a suggestion about a UI element turns into telling SDI how to run it's business. -- Michaelwagner Michaelwagner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21736 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Yes, SB2 as alarm clock
Malor wrote: Open standard input, as a file, for reading. Open standard output for writing. It's possible perl may have automatically done some or all of this... I'm NOT a perl expert by any means. ... here's an example program to play with: http://www.monkeynoodle.org/comp/landesk/deleteusers -- Jack at Monkeynoodle dot Org: It's a Scientific Venture... Riding the Emergency Third Rail Power Trip Since 1996 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Problems Scanning large library in OS X with SS
* Christopher Biscoe shaped the electrons to say... I was an old SB2 user that eventually abandoned it because of chronic issues with the box and the server software. This was about 9 months ago. Recently, lured by both Squeezenetwork (generally) and Pandora (specifically) I jumped back in and bought 2 lovely new black SB3s. Connecting to the Squeezenetwork is a breeze and Pandora works brilliantly. Glad to have you back, Christopher! Problem I am having, and it was an intermittent problem before that seems to be worse now, is scanning. I have aa large CD collection and about 2500 are ripped to two Buffalo SAN boxes (which I highly recommend after being burned by LaCie, TWICE). When I scan, I end up with 340 albums and 602 songs by 216 artists. Many albums are one or two songs long, despite having the entire album available on the SAN. My Itunes database is correct, and everything is fully playable off of the Mac (that is, I have tested that the music is still there in Itunes with success). To begin with, I have just instructed Slim Server to reference my Itunes file, rather than going through the trouble of mapping the drives in SS (although I can be persuaded otherwise). Am running 6.2.1 Slim Server (which seems to be the latest version, unless I have missed something on the slimdevices website). Try setting the iTunes Rescan Interval to 0. -D -- noah I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not sure. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Ugh, coworker is buying a Sonos
* Michaelwagner shaped the electrons to say... I went looking for a picture of our machine, but couldn't find any online. We had a Cray XMP on our machine floor. In the '80s, these were considered top of the line cryptanalysis machines. We didn't use them for that - we (well, the people we worked for) were solving chemistry and astronomy problems with them. But they sure were impressive machines for the time. When I worked at NASA in the late 90's, the Cray X-MP and Y-MP machines were being retired. At one point a Y-MP was sitting outside my cubicle, next to the bathroom in the hallway. -D -- noah I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not sure. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Ugh, coworker is buying a Sonos
What a difference a decade makes, eh? 1984 state of the art, 1998 on the way to the washroom. I forgot the best part. That XMP took so much juice, we had to run a new line from the local hydro substation 3 blocks away. Not going to be easy war-driving, that's for sure :-) Need a second trailer for the generator ... :-) -- Michaelwagner Michaelwagner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21684 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Palm Controlling Squeezebox
So I've read that with a palm tx with wifi using blazer as my browser I should be able to access my slimserver and control my squeezebox using http://yourserver:9000/Handheld/. After substituting my server address I continue to get that the page you requested cannot be displayed. Have you checked the firewall settings? http://www.slimdevices.com/su_faq.html#networking-firewall -- Michael --- Help translate SlimServer by using the StringEditor Plugin (http://www.herger.net/slim/) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: AW: Slimserver on Hermstedt Hifidelio
No the perl script complains about the XML:Parser not being compiled - when you run the suggested perl script to compile it, it complains because you need make and gcc installed. So part of what runs is actually compiled on the platform. - Simon. -- brookheather brookheather's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4317 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=12250 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Moose 0.25 now up
Ok - downloaded it and it worked first time. I'm now very happy - one of the downsides to switching to MySQL was loosing Moose. Thanks for all your efforts Just a question for the future - If your running on MySQL is there any need to snapshot the whole database into a moo file? I appreciate in the past this was necessary due to SQLite locking issues. MySQL takes that limitation away and its also a lot quicker as well. Could a future version just use the database directly? Browny -- Browny http://www.last.fm/user/BrownySV/ Browny's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2295 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21676 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Moose 0.25 now up
You may remember I reported: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kevin Weller wrote: I really like Moose but whenever I use it synchronisation drifts very quickly, often within the first track after I start it. Well it seems to be resolved with v0.25 of Moose. It's been playing all morning with Moosee running and is still in sync. Thank you :) Did you decide not to progress getting the track number displayed on 'now playing' and the pop-up or have you just been too busy? If I may also make a suggestion re. 'now playing'it would be nice if F5 did a refresh so it's the same as other Windows programs. Kevin ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Russ Andrews PSU and SB3
Thanks Michael - I shall just relax and chill to the music then:-) -- Timbo Timbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=933 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21704 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Sonus pretty controller!!!
Have just been to the Bristol hi-fi show and it looks like Sonus are bringing out a streaming device along the lines of SB that doesn't have built in amps (thier existing system is more a multi-room solution) but still features their incredible hand held controller...now that's interesting. I also wonder is there a handheld PDA or something that could do the same job for SB3 or a future Squeezebox? I have such a job reading my SB display from across the room - and when you put it in large type its awful! The Sonus controller is exceptionally cool (although it costs a small fortune I think!) :-) -- Timbo Timbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=933 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21733 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Defaulting to the clock when SlimServer shuts down
superbad wrote: I can't believe there are people who shut off their computers. I seriously haven't turned my computer off (apart from when I've had to move or replace it) since I first got DSL in 1997. Mine go down periodically, have to change batteries in the UPS, upgrade the OS, etc. My slimserver's current stats are: (beatles)/home/pfarrell uptime 08:15:04 up 257 days, 20:26, 2 users, load average: 0.17, 0.07, 0.08 -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Is it possible to play Shoutcast/Internet Radio on SB1?
mherger Wrote: I'm running Windows XP, using firefox, but also tried in IE with same result. I don't have PERL installed that I know of. SlimServer Version: 6.5b1 - 6309 - Windows XP - EN - cp1252 I can't understand this. I tested this today with the latest nightly and cound not reproduce. Did you update slimserver since you encountered that problem? If not, could you please do so? -- Michael --- Help translate SlimServer by using the StringEditor Plugin (http://www.herger.net/slim/) I have reinstalled with the latest nightly build and it still produces the same error. For me Shoutcast would be a nice to have, but not a necessity so I'll just disable it. Kerry -- kerry_nyc kerry_nyc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4079 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20243 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19369 Question: Do you have a 770? - Got it - Want it - Need it - Forget it Michael Haan Wrote: Fair enough - so, how does the 770 stack-up against a PPC for power consumption, and for response time? Have had the 770 for several weeks. Batteries: If you're using it mostly as sb remote the batteries last for days (if you're doing a lot of web browsing they still seem to last longer than you would want to be browsing during the course of a day--I've not yet had the batteries run out during use (as happened often with me for a laptop) and I've been using it a lot as a browser.). Response time: if you haven't been using it for hours or days the screen is 'on' instantly but there is 5-10 second delay to get the wifi re-connected (shuts off automatically to save battery power). Once wifi is connected response time from page to page etc. is virtually the same as on one of the computers connected to the same network (that is to say for practical purposes very fast). (if it's useful my points of comparison are (a) a blackberry which I love for email but nothing else (b) a dell axim v50 which worked ok as a sb remote except boot time was too long and it was too unstable(c) wxp laptops which I used and still use, based on where I happen to be at the moment, to control various sbs and (d) the audiotron, whose remote was just as bad as the sb remote but which had the late, lamented 'knob'... but that's a whole 'nother story) -- cshaida cshaida's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1981 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19369 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] The Audiotron Knob, Wheel Mice etc
From time to time this comes up, as it did earlier today in this thread http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19369 cshaida Wrote: the late, lamented 'knob'... but that's a whole 'nother story I'd like to renew my request for this kind of interaction. To recap, the late, lamented Audiotron was also an ethernet based music player. It had a number of (in hindsight) poor design tradeoffs, including a built-in server that was too slow and was not upgradeable (let this be a lesson for people who think the SB should have the server built in). However, it did have one thing that I sorely miss on the SB, and so does practically everyone who ever had an audiotron ... The Knob. The knob was basically, well, a knob, but it was tied into a pulse encoder, so when you twiddled it, it sent a stream of pulses saying turning right or turning left to the software. Based on what mode the Audiotron was in, that meant variously change the volume or scroll through a song list or scroll through options or one of several other things. It basically worked like the up and down arrows on the SB remote, except that you could send a whole bunch of them at once, the display moved, and you got immediate feedback. A lot like a wheel mouse, if you've used on --- you can use it to scroll, zoom or pan, depending on how the software choses to interpret the pulses. It seems like such a simple thing, it was a simple thing, and yet it made short shrift of exactly all the things that iritate me about interacting with the SB through the remote. Now you can't put a knob on a remote without turning it into a 2 hand remote, but I have seen remotes with knurled knobs that do essentially the same thing. I had a VCR with one years ago (the VCR died, so I threw out the remote, so I can't include a picture, but the remote was fine and had no knurled-knob-life issues). This came up some time ago, and at the time someone (I think Michael Herger) had pictures of a USB knob he'd built for testing purposes. The interaction ease this brings needs to be experienced to be believed. So I renew my plea for an improved remote that has this function, along with the software support to react quickly enough that the interaction works properly. I guess this will need Slimserver 7, according to the roadmap, so the server will respond to the pulses fast enough. -- Michaelwagner Michaelwagner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21736 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Is it possible to play Shoutcast/Internet Radio on SB1?
I have reinstalled with the latest nightly build and it still produces the same error. For me Shoutcast would be a nice to have, but not a necessity so I'll just disable it. This is a pitty (I'm using shoutcast a lot myself). But I'm pretty sure there's a networking issue. If only I knew what it was... -- Michael --- Help translate SlimServer by using the StringEditor Plugin (http://www.herger.net/slim/) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Player displays - Page Cannot Be Displayed Always When Starting SlimServer
Everytime I start SlimServer the Player pane always displays: PAGE CANNOT BE DISPLAYED. Performing a REFRESH on the page does nothing. It only goes away and shows the correct page when I select something to play. I am running 6.2.2 +---+ |Filename: pagecannotbedisplayed_sm.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=971| +---+ -- tonymuffin tonymuffin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1420 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21741 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] How to Edit Radio station to display Call Letters?
Hello, I have only been using my Squeezebox for a few days and really like it! I feel stupid for not figuring this out, but have searched the FAQ's and Forums and haven't been able to find an answer. I have used the Internet Radio function to tune in an AM station from my old home town, KFAB. The URL, which works fine, is http://tinyurl.com/jx7xm The problem is, the URL is exactly what is displayed as the title, both on SlimServer and on the Squeezebox display. I added it to my favorites and can find it and remember what station it represents, but I'm concerned that once I add a few more of my favorites I won't be able to recall what lengthy URL represents what station. I was hoping there was a way to edit the Title of the station from the URL to just the call letters. I've been right-clicking everything like crazy but no luck. I'm sure that someone will give me an answer that will definitely give me a D-Oh! moment, but I'm not concerned about pride anymore! Thanks for your help! Jim -- jimbob67 jimbob67's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21743 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] New VS Old
I purchased to of the previous Squeezeboxes just a few months prior to the new ones coming out. I really like the looks of the new Squeezebox. Is there that much of a preformance upgrade that I should sell my old ones and buy 2 new ones? Thanks -- tonymuffin tonymuffin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1420 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21742 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: New VS Old
Yupthat's what I meant. Thanks -- tonymuffin tonymuffin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1420 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21742 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] sb3 browing issue
I have a wired sb3 that is with out doubt the best addition to my system. I've noticed a problem while a song is playing and I try to browse other artists, when I hit the down arrow it schrolls more then one line at a time and I have to arrow up to see what I missed. Am I missing somthing in the setup screens? If it is stoped and not playing it schrolls just fine. -- DeWayne DeWayne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4345 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21745 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Player displays - Page Cannot Be Displayed Always When Starting SlimServer
Try adjusting the CSRF Protection Level setting under Server Settings/Security. -- joncourage joncourage's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21741 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Itunes:Playlists question
radish Wrote: One thing which sometimes gets people is the delayed write of preferences. For performance reasons the changes you make are not written to disk right away, so if you shutdown quickly after hitting Change you might lose the setting. Make sure you wait a few minutes before restarting. Radish, I guess you must have been right about this one. I woke up this morning and the playlist prefixes had all updated. I shut down the server last night and had changed the prefix again earlier yesterday. Thanks all. -- kanoot kanoot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4324 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21718 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Sonus pretty controller!!!
Timbo Wrote: Have just been to the Bristol hi-fi show and it looks like Sonus are bringing out a streaming device along the lines of SB that doesn't have built in amps (thier existing system is more a multi-room solution) but still features their incredible hand held controller...now that's interesting. I also wonder is there a handheld PDA or something that could do the same job for SB3 or a future Squeezebox? I have such a job reading my SB display from across the room - and when you put it in large type its awful! The Sonus controller is exceptionally cool (although it costs a small fortune I think!) :-) The Sonos approach has its drawbacks as well. One generally has fewer remotes than music players (they're 400$ each, so most people have only one or two) so you'll find that you're carrying the thing around with you a lot and they're neither small nor light. Also, even though they are somewhat ruggedized and splash resistant I still don't think I'd want 400$ remote controllers in a home with children. -- rudholm rudholm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2980 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21733 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Is there any way to run Pandora through SlimServer?
That certainly doesn't appear to be the case... when streaming from a server under my control, the connection count goes up by only 1 when streaming three devices. And I see only one TCP connection in my firewall. Now, it's possible that it's multiplexing three streams over one connection or something like that... I don't have any easy way to measure the bandwidth being used. But given how it looks, it strikes me that the sensible solution is to conclude that it's downloading the original stream only once. That's how I'd do it, if I were writing the software, and I presume the Slim guys are smarter than I am. :) As far as the Pandora thing... I searched on Pandora, but I don't see any conversation wrt Slimserver integration. Can you give me a pointer? -- Malor Malor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1961 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21728 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now Playing on PLAY key press?
First let me say how much I LOVE my SqueezeBox. So do I. And I still love my good, old SliMP3, too :-). I did a search in the forums for this but I came up empty: It is possible to configure the squeezebox to automatically display the Now Playing screen when I press PLAY from a music selection? That's what the Now playing screensaver is for. By default it kicks in after 30 seconds. But you could reduce this value to eg. 10. Don't lower further than this or you'll find yourself in the Now Playing mode more than you'd want :-) -- Michael --- Help translate SlimServer by using the StringEditor Plugin (http://www.herger.net/slim/) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: The Audiotron Knob, Wheel Mice etc
Had an audiotron, hated the slow web interface, hated the window ce, hated the display, LOVED THE KNOB. one wonders if squeezebox could support a usb to take input from this-- http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/powermate/ pie-in-the-sky I know, but I must repeat: LOVED THE KNOB cheers #!/ben -- bklaas bklaas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21736 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: The Audiotron Knob, Wheel Mice etc
one wonders if squeezebox could support a usb to take input from this-- http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/powermate/ I really like to show off this over and over again :-) http://www.herger.net/slim/powermate.avi -- Michael --- Help translate SlimServer by using the StringEditor Plugin (http://www.herger.net/slim/) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How to Edit Radio station to display Call Letters?
As it happens - it came up recently in here. Not an optimal solution - but it does at least get the radio station name to appear in the Slimserver web gui (but not on the SB). http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21562 -- Paul Webster Paul Webster http://www.lastfm.com/user/BondJamesBond Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21743 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: The Audiotron Knob, Wheel Mice etc
How did you do that? On Saturday, March 04, 2006, at 12:26PM, Michael Herger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: one wonders if squeezebox could support a usb to take input from this-- http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/powermate/ I really like to show off this over and over again :-) http://www.herger.net/slim/powermate.avi -- Michael --- Help translate SlimServer by using the StringEditor Plugin (http://www.herger.net/slim/) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19369 Question: Do you have a 770? - Got it - Want it - Need it - Forget it I have an ipaq 5450 and considered using it to drive my slimserver, but abandoned the idea in favour of the 770 for the following reasons: 1) WLAN support is flaky at best. Next to non-existent support from HP on this issue. Real problems with firmware upgrades. 2) As stated, I have a bad memory and forgetting to dock the Ipaq means that I have to restore from a backup (this also means I am forced to participate in the how to copy and paste tutorial every time. 3) It's an MS OS! Given that, I usually need to reboot my Ipaq at least once a day if the WLAN is activated. I'm a Linux bigot, but given years of experience in this field, I'd choose a Unix based system over one based on MS for *any* purpose - except playing games. -- moby_uk moby_uk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3938 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19369 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How to Edit Radio station to display Call Letters?
This is strange, but I don't have a slimserver.pref file anywhere on my system. Hmm... -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21743 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: The Audiotron Knob, Wheel Mice etc
How did you do that? http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=61788postcount=38 But you obviously need to connect the Powermate to a computer. Not anything you'd want to have in the living room. Plus the interface with only one button/knob leaves a lot of room for improvement: it's quite hard to distinguish clicks, doublclicks, long clicks and click-turns :-) -- Michael --- Help translate SlimServer by using the StringEditor Plugin (http://www.herger.net/slim/) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: The Audiotron Knob, Wheel Mice etc
mherger Wrote: I really like to show off this over and over again :-) ) As well you should, it really is quite lovely. It's tantalizing in a concept car sort of way. If you build one that somehow works directly with the sb, I'll buy 3(!) The issue for me is not so much the 'remote-ness' (770+ben's skin pretty much 'solves' that problem for me) as it is the need for a control mechanism/device when I'm standing right in front of one of the sbs. It's a pretty common experience for me to be right at a sb and want to turn it on/off, change volume, or just search for new album and...have to look around and then walk somewhere to get the remote to do so. Oddly frustrating. -- cshaida cshaida's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1981 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21736 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
