[slim] Re: squeezebox turning off

[ceejay]

so this is wireless ... have you tried it wired?

Perhaps there is a new source of wireless interference, like a
neighbour with a new microwave or phone? Try a new wireless channel.

Ceejay


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[slim] Re: squeezebox turning off

[drewe181]

there's no announcement on the squeezebox saying it lost the connection.
the music just stops. it's not the brightness. i've tried holding down
left, right, power buttons etc and nothing.

i've only noticed the Squeezenetwork unable to find the player once.
firmware was updated to 6.5.1 nightly more than a month ago. connection
varies from about 60% - 85%.

this has only just started becoming a problem recently. like the last
week or so

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[slim] Re: The ultimate remote control?

[tyler_durden]

TiredLegs;174225 Wrote: 
> How about using one of these as a Slimserver? Hang a big hard drive off
> the USB, and voila! Like an NAS with a touchscreen.

I don't think it has the CPU power for running slimserver for anything
but a small library.  The USB port is a USB 1.1 port- slow, but fast
enough for audio playback.  RAM is limited to 256 MB.  Why would you
want a touchscreen on the server, and why would you want the server to
be so small?

You can put together a pretty nice box for the $250 or so that the
tablet costs, one that will perform much better and be much easier to
deal with (this machine has no way to access its network controller
without a docking station or PC Card network adapter).  If you have to
reload the OS, you have to pull the HDD out and do a partial install
inside another machine, then put it back to complete the install.  No
fun!

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Re: [slim] Re: Complaints about architecture, slimserver, etc

[Peter]

MrSinatra wrote:

people like me?  whats that?  people who like "easy"?  people who like
"simple to use"?
  


People who really wanted to buy a different device ;)

in any case, no, i wouldn't expect the SD remote to control any given
app, nor would i necessarily expect the SB display to have any info on
it if using something other than SS.

however, creative sells sound cards that have remotes that CAN control
multiple different apps, and can be user customized.  3rd party remotes
are not uncommon.

also, i don't think it would be a monumental undertaking for a SB
driver to check to see if a given audio app, (like WMP or winamp) is
putting out song info, (much as they do when giving that info to say
msn/windows messenger).
  


See, when you start thinking about it you want it already ;)


i think logitech will do "the sucking" ;) ie. into a whole new
direction as u put it.  and frankly, i look forward to it, b/c i am
sure they will look into this kind of a solution, b/c there is no doubt
its a more commercially viable one.

again, i'm not saying either/or.  i say why not both?
  


Perhaps, that will be the case. I'm merely pointing out that this would 
probably only be the first in a long line of demands to turn the SB's 
into a different kind of device. The kind that the poster wished they 
had bought.


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Re: [slim] Re: Complaints about architecture, slimserver, etc

[kdf]

On 25-Jan-07, at 10:55 PM, MrSinatra wrote:



kdf, let me be absolutely clear:

i have NO BEEF with you, i have no problem with you.


that's cool.  it's mutual.
I've given my suggestion/request.  If you can isolate the artwork to 
prove out your suspicion, that will help me to isolate the problem.  
I'm more than happy to take a copy of the problem artwork and fix the 
server side.  If that isn't the problem, then you'll have helped remove 
another suspect.  The problem is that so far, you are the only one who 
can reliably produce the error, so everyone is relying on you to 
provide info.  I am only asking that you do, and offering the steps for 
doing so.  That is all I can do, and all anyone can do unless someone 
else stumbles upon the same problem.


all of the devs will appreciate any effort that you can make on this.

cheers,
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[slim] Re: Complaints about architecture, slimserver, etc

[MrSinatra]

kdf, let me be absolutely clear:

i have NO BEEF with you, i have no problem with you.

i don't have any beef or problem with anyone on here.  nothing i'm
saying is personal.  i distance myself from that truly insulting person
in the other thread who is saying Dan and so on should retire, etc...  i
thought that was beyond rude.  i may be a crank, but i'm not rude.  but
i do have many valid frustrations with this product.

i simply say things as i see them, and for reasons which are not
logical in almost all instances, mainly due to their love of this
product, some get all upset.  i believe you sometimes, not always, fall
into that category.

kdf;174396 Wrote: 
> On 25-Jan-07, at 9:50 PM, MrSinatra wrote:
> 
> >
> > well kdf, when you say a bunch of untrue things in that post to try
> to
> > make me look like i'm some deaf dummy, what do you expect?
> 
> when I suggest a course of action, I expect that, in good faith, you 
> will try it.
> a guess is perfectly valid.  It's something worth proving out.  And, I
> 
> fully expect that I will honour the response by following through on 
> anything that comes as a response to my suggested course of action.  
> Your response shows an assumption that simply isn't valid.

i have no idea what you are talking about here.  its like you're
writing a response to something i didn't say, and ignoring what i did
say.

what i said is that you said a bunch of untrue things, and you did. 
lies?  mischaracterizations?  i don't know, i don't know your true
intent.  but thats irrelevant b/c regardless of your intent, it [what
you said] simply was NOT true.

here's what you said:

kdf;174382 Wrote: 
> On 25-Jan-07, at 8:59 PM, MrSinatra wrote:
> 
> >
> > (i think it doesn't like some artwork file, but i can't say for
> sure)
> >
> you could help everyone concerned in a really BIG way if you mentioned
> 
> this in the bug report,

not true.  i did mention it, in both bug threads.

kdf;174382 Wrote: 
> and did us the favour of splitting those T-V 
> albums to a temporary library one at a time until you snag the album 
> art that IS a problem.

great suggestion although not easily done, and btw, its the first time
anyone has suggested anything to me about this.

when i have lots of time to blow, like a day, i'll do it.

kdf;174382 Wrote: 
> As some have said all along, it is something on 
> your system.

not true, i don't know anyone who said it was something on my system,
as no one has said much on it at all.  there is no "all along."  but i
certainly never said it wasn't something particular to me and my
system, (on this particular issue) i simply said that even if it is,
whatever it is its still a bug, b/c it shouldn't result in a crash and
burn.

kdf;174382 Wrote: 
> This is what makes it very hard to fix using only OUR 
> systems. Give us all a break, and please try to help with the fix.

mischaracterize...  give you all a break???

look in the bug threads, i say clearly:

"in any case, i am willing to try whatever, just tell me exactly what
you'd like
me to try." 

when have i not been open to a suggested fix on this?

http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4699

four days and counting btw.

kdf;174382 Wrote: 
> don't men to sound harsh, and certainly don't want to add more fuel, 
> I'm asking...now it's up to you to decide if it's worth making the 
> effort.
> 
> thanks.
> 
> -kdf

imo, that post mischaracterized me and said things that weren't true. 
it put me off.

if you want to help me, you can do it without saying things that aren't
true.  don't expect me to allow you to beat me up just b/c i need help. 
that won't happen.

kdf;174396 Wrote: 
> 
> > next time, don't lie or mischaracterize.  and if you do, don't be
> > surprised if someone is put off.
> >
> 
> oh blue eyes...I've never lied.

call it what you want, u said things that weren't true.

look, i'm not upset about it, but it is what it is, its there plain as
day for anyone to see, and i guess the reader will decide.

kdf;174396 Wrote: 
> when you stop your poor behaviour, I'll still be here to walk you 
> through if you are interested.

MY poor behavior?  the chutzpah is shocking.

kdf;174396 Wrote: 
> just remember: even if a step seams 
> dumb, it has to happen.  You never know if the power problem is simply
> 
> due to a loose cord.

when did i say such and such a step regarding this was dumb?  when have
i ever not done whatever to rule out the "obvious" first?

another baseless mischaracterization.

kdf;174396 Wrote: 
> again, if you wish to calm down and provide the info (I'd even be 
> willing to download the entire collection of TUV if that makes it 
> easy), then I'll continue to do what I do.

all i want, is to not be mischaracterized.  don't lie or say i didn't
do things, and so on...  

the problem with my TUV is its huge, gigs and gigs and i don't have big
upload speeds, typical cable modem.

however, perhaps i could copy out all my Folder.jpg files, and send
them to you or whoever, but then yo

Re: [slim] Complaints about architecture, slimserver, etc

[Michael Herger]

Because of the passion involved, some of these complaints end up in
somewhat unrelated threads.

I thought I'd start one here.


Thanks, good idea. I was thinking about a "why slimserver sucks" thread as  
well, and put it on my blacklist straight away ;-).


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[slim] Re: Gapless playback not working?

[dekaliber]

Hi again...  Turned on debug mode and I see the following relevant
data:

2007-01-26 00:16:59.7367 openSong: seeking in 2204 into
C:\~music\_albums\Shpongle - Nothing Lasts... But Nothing Is Lost\04
Shpongle - Periscopes of Consciousness.mp3
2007-01-26 00:16:59.7597 MP3 file was encoded with LAME3.90.
2007-01-26 00:16:59.7599 MP3 file contains encoder delay information
(1920/2220), will be played gapless

and the next track...

2007-01-26 00:18:44.2560 openSong: seeking in 2193 into
C:\~music\_albums\Shpongle - Nothing Lasts... But Nothing Is Lost\05
Shpongle - Schmaltz Herring.mp3
2007-01-26 00:18:44.2582 MP3 file was encoded with LAME3.90.
2007-01-26 00:18:44.2585 MP3 file contains encoder delay information
(2388/2220), will be played gapless

There a lot of other stuff, but at least from this it looks like the
files are encoded with LAME and should be played back gaplessly, right?
The encoder delays are quite long.  Could that be a problem?

I've uploaded the two sample files in question, which are among the
shortest consecutive ones I could find with this problem.  Thanks for
taking a look!

http://www.dekaliber.net/_etc/04_periscopes_of_consciousness.mp3
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[slim] Re: 30-second freeze?

[Eric Carroll]

This issue appears to still be a problem.

There is another thread on this issue here:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31566

I am definately impacted by this UI stall problem.


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[slim] Re: Complaints about architecture, slimserver, etc

[MrSinatra]

people like me?  whats that?  people who like "easy"?  people who like
"simple to use"?

in any case, no, i wouldn't expect the SD remote to control any given
app, nor would i necessarily expect the SB display to have any info on
it if using something other than SS.

however, creative sells sound cards that have remotes that CAN control
multiple different apps, and can be user customized.  3rd party remotes
are not uncommon.

also, i don't think it would be a monumental undertaking for a SB
driver to check to see if a given audio app, (like WMP or winamp) is
putting out song info, (much as they do when giving that info to say
msn/windows messenger).

i think logitech will do "the sucking" ;) ie. into a whole new
direction as u put it.  and frankly, i look forward to it, b/c i am
sure they will look into this kind of a solution, b/c there is no doubt
its a more commercially viable one.

again, i'm not saying either/or.  i say why not both?


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Re: [slim] Re: Complaints about architecture, slimserver, etc

[kdf]

On 25-Jan-07, at 9:50 PM, MrSinatra wrote:



well kdf, when you say a bunch of untrue things in that post to try to
make me look like i'm some deaf dummy, what do you expect?


when I suggest a course of action, I expect that, in good faith, you 
will try it.
a guess is perfectly valid.  It's something worth proving out.  And, I 
fully expect that I will honour the response by following through on 
anything that comes as a response to my suggested course of action.  
Your response shows an assumption that simply isn't valid.



next time, don't lie or mischaracterize.  and if you do, don't be
surprised if someone is put off.



oh blue eyes...I've never lied.

when you stop your poor behaviour, I'll still be here to walk you 
through if you are interested.  just remember: even if a step seams 
dumb, it has to happen.  You never know if the power problem is simply 
due to a loose cord.


again, if you wish to calm down and provide the info (I'd even be 
willing to download the entire collection of TUV if that makes it 
easy), then I'll continue to do what I do.   If you wish to fire 
insults in all directions, then I'm sorry...but I will withdraw my aid 
as I have on every occasion where you have become aggressive with or 
anyone else.  You can disagree, as I know you can do so well.  It comes 
down to what result you want.  You have the option.


good night.

-kdf




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Re: [slim] Re: Complaints about architecture, slimserver, etc

[Peter]

MrSinatra wrote:

my opinion is a device driver for the SB would benefit a great many
people, myself included, and i hope logitech hears that opinion, b/c my
guess is, they'll agree.
  


It would be a nice extra (especially if t would play nice with 
Slimserver). However it is quite easy to guess that people like you 
would not really be happy with a (windows only!) sound driver (and I'm 
not even talking about possible sync problems when playing DVD's). The 
next request would undoubtedly be a way to control iTunes/WinAmp/WMP 
from the SB remote, which is harder to do in a generic way. Then it 
would of course be unacceptable that the SB isn't displaying the 
trackname of what is playing either.


So if you think things through, delivering such a feature might start 
the SB/TP stuff to be sucked in a whole different direction. Perhaps 
it's a good idea commercially, but perhaps it isn't. I certainly 
wouldn't want to miss the current slimserver architecture.


Regards,
Peter

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[slim] Re: KDFC web stream

[RichAK]

Thanks for your help. I listen to KDFC just through the Slim Server.
It's good to know that change is from KDFC itself. I've emailed the
station. Thanks again.


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[slim] Re: Complaints about architecture, slimserver, etc

[MrSinatra]

well kdf, when you say a bunch of untrue things in that post to try to
make me look like i'm some deaf dummy, what do you expect?

next time, don't lie or mischaracterize.  and if you do, don't be
surprised if someone is put off.


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[slim] Re: Complaints about architecture, slimserver, etc

[MrSinatra]

Skunk;174386 Wrote: 
> It wouldn't be that hard, Mr. Sinatra, to pick up a CSS/HTML book and
> read a bit- rather than write so profusely about what amounts to
> little/no headway in solving the problem. SS can do what those prettier
> interfaces do, and so much more I would guess . The pieces are all there
> waiting for someone intelligent like you to put them into an
> aesthetically pleasing whole.

you flatterer.

i don't like itunes myself, but winamp is very well behaved, and uses a
mere fraction of the resources.

in any case, i am not a programmer, nor do i really "believe in" the
web interface design.  

i am a SB user, and like my opinions or no, i feel that as a user i
have the right to voice that opinion, just as you have the right to
disagree.  i certainly respect that.

my opinion is a device driver for the SB would benefit a great many
people, myself included, and i hope logitech hears that opinion, b/c my
guess is, they'll agree.


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Re: [slim] Re: Complaints about architecture, slimserver, etc

[kdf]

On 25-Jan-07, at 9:29 PM, MrSinatra wrote:



WHOA...  wait a minute here kdf...


you know what, forget it.  you are hopeless.

good luck.

i won't waste any more time trying to get anything more from you on 
this.

don't try to get anything from me.

thank you.

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[slim] Re: Complaints about architecture, slimserver, etc

[MrSinatra]

and there is also the added complication of tags not always matching the
dir names...

i suppose SS ignores "The" tho, so i shouldn't have to worry about
those.


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[slim] Re: Complaints about architecture, slimserver, etc

[Skunk]

I love the architecture and would like to thank all the plugin and skin
developers for their efforts. 

When iTunes gets fired up by the roommate it wreaks havoc on my PC,
while SS, OTOH, is rather benevolent (though the server is shut down
when not listening, so can't speak as to runaway processes etc.). Does
what it says on the tin so far as I'm concerned. 

It wouldn't be that hard, Mr. Sinatra, to pick up a CSS/HTML book and
read a bit- rather than write so profusely about what amounts to
little/no headway in solving the problem. SS can do what those prettier
interfaces do, and so much more I would guess . The pieces are all there
waiting for someone intelligent like you to put them into an
aesthetically pleasing whole.


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[slim] Re: Complaints about architecture, slimserver, etc

[MrSinatra]

WHOA...  wait a minute here kdf...

first of all, i'm JUST GUESSING its artwork.

secondly, no one, NO ONE, including you, had suggested ANYTHING to try
to date.

thirdly, i DID mention it in the bug report.

fourthly, where do you get "as some have said all along"  no one has
said anything, but i never said it wasn't something on my system
either.  where do you get that???

what i do say, is that bad artwork file or no, SS shouldn't crash and
burn as a result, IF in fact, that is what it is.

look, i will happily try what you suggest when i have the time to, but
before you complain about me sitting around doing nothing or whatever
it is you think, how about giving me a fair shake and at least ONE
CHANCE to do something?

as to what you suggest, b/c of the way my dir folders are, its not
simple to simply pull out all the T U Vs and so on...  but i'll give it
a go.


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Re: [slim] Alarm Plugin no longer working

[kdf]

On 25-Jan-07, at 9:12 PM, grimholtz wrote:



Hi,

I'm using the built-in player alarm plug-in (not Kevin Deane-Freeman's
version). It's stopped working. When the time arrives, the SB3 displays
"Alarm plugin now playing" or something similar, but there is no audio.
I've made sure the playlist is accurate and the volume is set high.

Help! Any ideas?

It won't be saying "plugin" anywhere unless it's mine.  Best start by 
double checking what you have installed, and where you are handling the 
settings.  Alarm Clock in slimserver is a core item, not a plugin.  The 
settings are under player settings->alarms.


As for debugging, if you are seeing the display then the alarm IS 
triggering.  the problem is the audio/playlist loading.  try using 
d_source from server settings->debugging, then look at the log at the 
time the alarm should be triggering.  You might also want to try the 
Random Mix option or even leave a set of songs as the current playlist 
and select "current playlist" as the option.  Make sure also that you 
have the alarm volume set to a level you are sure is loud enough (some 
changes in volume level control might mean you want to actually change 
the volume from what you think it should be, just to be sure)


if that fails, we'll look at other options.

-kdf

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Re: [slim] Re: Complaints about architecture, slimserver, etc

[kdf]

On 25-Jan-07, at 8:59 PM, MrSinatra wrote:



(i think it doesn't like some artwork file, but i can't say for sure)

you could help everyone concerned in a really BIG way if you mentioned 
this in the bug report, and did us the favour of splitting those T-V 
albums to a temporary library one at a time until you snag the album 
art that IS a problem.  As some have said all along, it is something on 
your system.  This is what makes it very hard to fix using only OUR 
systems. Give us all a break, and please try to help with the fix. I 
don't men to sound harsh, and certainly don't want to add more fuel, 
I'm asking...now it's up to you to decide if it's worth making the 
effort.


thanks.

-kdf

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[slim] Alarm Plugin no longer working

[grimholtz]

Hi,

I'm using the built-in player alarm plug-in (not Kevin Deane-Freeman's
version). It's stopped working. When the time arrives, the SB3 displays
"Alarm plugin now playing" or something similar, but there is no audio.
I've made sure the playlist is accurate and the volume is set high.

Help! Any ideas?


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[slim] Re: Complaints about architecture, slimserver, etc

[MrSinatra]

1. it doesn't handle net radio streams as robustly as other solutions. 
this is all but proven in other threads, please don't argue with me
about it.

2. it currently crashes everytime i click "T U or V" in my library.  to
say that sucks royally is putting it mildly.  btw, i filed a bug,
haven't heard much back yet.

(i think it doesn't like some artwork file, but i can't say for sure)

3. SS itself mostly sucks as an interface.  it certainly has its uses,
and i'm not saying a web backend isn't an attractive feature, but why
must it be the only way in on the front end?

4. lack of a device driver alternative that would allow the SB to be
treated as "just another sound card" is really annoying, b/c if SD had
such a thing, it would at the very least give me a workaround as to the
first 3 issues i've listed.

5. it is a memory and resource hog.  it more than doubles any other app
i have.  and running multiple processes isn't terrific either.  i
especially don't like the way mysql remains running even if i quit SS.

6. this is minor, but when SS starts, it opens an IE window, (i have
IE7), and it goes to a blank page.  why?  b/c SS doesn't open fast
enough.  elegant, it ain't.

7. the default skin is very unappealing.  hopefully 7 is more
interesting.  why not incorporate some of kdf's fishbone features into
the default?  of course, switching skins can be a problem too, as i
found out when updating versions.

i don't want to change the topic to suggestions or what i want to see,
but i do think a display on the remote, to complemen one on the SB
would be nice, as well as a video out IF you wanted to use it.  (not
saying video out for media streaming, but more for putting on top of
the screen, translucent like)


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[slim] Re: Introducing..... me!

[MrSinatra]

Marc Sherman;174352 Wrote: 
> MrSinatra wrote:
> > 
> > what confuses me, is why they FORCE is to use this ONLY way, when
> they
> > give it out for free and make no money from it, and incur headaches
> and
> > costs from it.
> 
> Why do you keep saying they "FORCE" you to use slimserver? The
> slimproto 
> is documented. If you don't like slimserver, and you can't modify it 
> into something you do like, replace it with something else entirely.
> 
> - Marc

i say "force" b/c SD offers no alternative to SS if you don't like SS,
(but do like SB).

again, i am not saying SS shouldn't exist...  but given all its well
documented flaws, problems, bugginess, bloatware characteristics,
whouldn't it be nice for people who want to use other software to be
able to do so?

wouldn't the company that wants to sell the hardware to make their
money want those people to be able to do so?

would that not increase their potential market?

turning around and telling me that if i want it, i have to become a
programmer is illogical and frankly immature.  i'm not going to do
that.

telling me i should just get something else entirely ought to send a
red flag to logitech.

but i'll bet you logitech eventually gets the memo, and SS will
eventually not be the ONLY way, [ie forced way] to power a SB.

why does my desire to have a device driver alternative drive some of
you so crazy?  it makes no sense.


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[slim] Re: Wired SB3 no longer offered?

[upstatemike]

mlsstl;173948 Wrote: 
> While this is no consolation, I'd wonder if the demise of the wired only
> version is simple business math. It could be that the relative sales
> volume of the wired only unit was low enough that they could no longer
> justify the extra cost of maintaining separate production and
> distribution. While $50 is still $50, that is a comparatively small
> margin compared to many items that get dropped from product lines.

$50 makes a big difference when you buy several for whole-house audio.
Maybe you can get some of the difference back with a volume discount
but most folks who have a lot of players did not buy them all at once.


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Re: [slim] Re: Complaints about architecture, slimserver, etc

[Pat Farrell]

Johnny Stork wrote:

1: Slimserver is a dinosaur and should start looking to Jinzora for

> interface ideas.

If you are arguing that the Web UI needs work, you really should say 
that. I do not agree that the SlimServer is a dinosaur. It works well 
for me.


The UI is not all AJAX and Web2.0 compliant, and many people expect it 
to me.   But it meets my needs fine.



2: A small/embedded web server and video output on the SB would allow
for a big screen interface to the SB.


Video output is totally against what I want. I don't want a TV anywhere 
near my audio.


Clearly we disagree, but don't force me to put a stinking TV in my audio 
room.



3: Transporter could have dual, mirrored, quiet SATA drives, and

> embedded Linux for a for standalone device.

The music server needs to be in another room. No drive is quiet enough 
for me. If the Transporter had disk drives in it, I would not have 
bought one. My music server is in the basement. If I wanted a PC holding 
my music, I would have bought one, or used one of the 20 or so I have in 
my house. I bought my first SqueezeBox explicitly because the audio unit 
is slim, and the server goes in the basement. Buy from FatDevices if 
that is what you want.


YMMV, etc.


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RE: [slim] Re: Introducing..... me!

[Johnny Stork]

As a user/owner of SB's since version 1 (I have three), and a user/tester of a 
few other streaming products like the Roku, along with a few PVR's including 
MythTV, I have had a fair amount of experience with streaming audio and video 
throughout my house and trying to integrate numerous systems and of course, 
access all media (video and audio) simply and quickly from any location. I am 
somewhat of an audiophile with systems in all rooms, multiple home theatres and 
flat screens all over the place and have high expectations for sound. My point 
is that I am passionate about getting my audio and video systems working 
seamlessly and utilizing the best that open-source and Linux have to offer in 
these areas. Although the SB meets most of my expectations, my biggest 
complaints with the SB are:

1: Slimserver is a dinosaur and should start looking to Jinzora for interface 
ideas.
2: A small/embedded web server and video output on the SB would allow for a big 
screen interface to the SB.
3: Transporter could have dual, mirrored, quiet SATA drives, and embedded Linux 
for a for standalone device.

> -Original Message-
> From: Nostromo 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:20 PM
> To: discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
> Subject: [slim] Re: Introducing. me!
> 
> 
> JimC;167482 Wrote: 
> > Hi there.
> > 
> > My name is Jim Carlton.  I'm a Virgo.  I like long walks on 
> the beach, 
> > candlelit dinners, and dancing under the stars.
> > 
> > Wait!  That's my match.com ad copy.
> > 
> > Actually, I'm the new Director of Product Marketing here at Slim -- 
> > now known as the SMS Business Unit at Logitech.  Prior to accepting 
> > this role, I was the iPod/MP3 and wireless music business 
> manager for 
> > Logitech in the America's region.  And before that, I've 
> had stints as 
> > one of the founders of Virgin Electronics, as a 
> jack-of-lots-of-trades 
> > at Creative Labs, and further back than that just doesn't really 
> > matter.
> > 
> > My first order of business here is to offload some of the work of 
> > integrating Slim with Logitech, so Sean and Dean can get back to 
> > sleeping once in a while.  Overall, I'll be responsible for the 
> > customer-facing aspects of this business, and for helping 
> shape how we 
> > tell the rest of the world about how great the products are...
> > 
> > To that end, I would absolutely love to hear from the 
> community about 
> > what you think is great about Slim 
> Devices/Squeezebox/Transporter and 
> > about what we can do to make them better.  I plan to bring in 
> > additional resources to help expand the community here, as well as 
> > promote our third-party developers and plug-ins as a key 
> value-add for 
> > our products.  It would be great to hear what YOU see as how we can 
> > best implement that, as well
> > 
> > If you have any questions, feedback, gripes, or just want 
> me to finish 
> > that match.com ad, let me know.
> 
> Welcome Jim!
> 
> I think the SlimServer moto sums up what's great about the Squeezebox:
> free your music! It frees your music from the CD. And, to me, 
> its not simply a more convenient way to listen to music. 
> Thanks to the Squeezebox, I can now listen to music anyway I 
> choose. I can listen to whole albums, the old fashioned way. 
> Or I can listen to my favorite Nick Cave songs, or my 
> favorite Beatles songs. I can listen to chillout songs, to 
> some classical piano or whatever... And if I'm tired of my 
> own music collection, I can listen to internet radio or Pandora.
> 
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[slim] Re: Complaints about architecture, slimserver, etc

[CatBus]

No substantial complaints here either.  Maybe if the thread stays
subdued and congenial, SlimDevices people will be proud of their fine
work.

Nice username BTW.  Now all we need is Mei's response and we're all
set.


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[slim] Re: End of songs cut off

[seyeth]

Apparently my problem was caused by a glitch in SlimServer. For some
reason the right-half of the SlimServer screen was not displayed. A
re-boot of my computer solved the problem.


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[slim] Re: Upgraded to 6.5.1 and NO SOUND

[SteveEast]

Clear the checkbox against:

Apple Lossless   FLACalac/flac

The checkbox against:

Apple Lossless   WAV alac

should already be set, if it isn't then set it.

When it's running then check task manager - you should just see an alac
process. No flac or mov123 processes.

Steve.


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[slim] Re: Introducing..... me!

[snarlydwarf]

MrSinatra;174327 Wrote: 
> i apparently have to explain this in painstaking detail...

Well this is my last post.  Feel free to rant and have the last word.

> 
> ipod will work with other software, NOT ONLY itunes.

Bull.  The only reason it works at all with other software is because
other vendors have reverse-engineered the structure of data on the
disk.   It is not simply using a USB_Storage driver.


> 
> if it ONLY worked with itunes, it wouldn't be as popular as it is. 
> thats "so what."

Again, Bull.  I would venture over 98% of iPod owners only use iTunes
to load software and playlists on their iPod.

> 
> try reading everything i wrote again.
> 
> i am NOT pissed about EITHER free, nothing you just wrote there above
> applies to me.

Yes, you are: you keep blaming everything you dislike about Slimserver
on the fact that it is (in caps, your style) "FREE".  Then you won't
explain what your problem with it is other than that you hate MySQL
ok... whatever.

> 
> SD makes NO MONEY or revenue out of developing SS.  there is no revenue
> in it for them.  i would also venture to guess that the costs
> ofdeveloping it far outweigh any partnerships they have with rhapsody
> and so on, if indeed those generate revenue at all.
> 
> they MAINLY make their money out of selling the hardware.
> 
Again, what differs there between Slim and ... um, Apple?

Your logic sucks.

> 
> since that is the case, why FORCE us to use their free software?  why
> not make the hardware able to be used by any audio app, like winamp or
> itunes or musicmatch or whatever?

And here is where you are flat out wrong: No One Is Forcing You To Use
Slimserver.  NO ONE.

You could write: "It sucks that even though SlimProto is documented and
pretty damned simple to implement that no one else has bothered to write
anything using it".  That would be true.

You could write "Wow, Slimserver has a command line interface -and- and
method of using HTTP commands, so people can write things like Moose.. I
wish more people would write neat things like that, that would be
cool."

Nope, you blame Slim because no one has taken the publicly documented
and simple-to-implememt protocols and done anything with them.

Do you not understand why you are blaming the wrong people?  Slim does
not have source code to every other music player on the planet: they
have, however, documented their API, and even have source code
available so that you can study the API.  If you really really hate the
API, then you can write a pluging that -replaces- the CLI and does it
all via whatever command set you want.

> 
> if they still wanted to develop and use SS they could, but it should
> not be the only way.

It is NOT the only way.

If you want the Widgetmaster XYZ MusicJukebox to work with your
squeezebox: Talk to the people at WidgetMaster.  Explain to them that
the protocols are open and documented.  If they don't bite, then don't
blame Slim... blame Widgetmaster.

> 
> what confuses me, is why they FORCE is to use this ONLY way, when they
> give it out for free and make no money from it, and incur headaches and
> costs from it.

No one is forcing you to do anything.


> 
> in my case, DRM has nothing to do with anything i'm doing.  i make my
> own mp3s and listen to mp3 streams.

Then for christsakes..

Your music is in mp3 now.

You like Winamp.

Set up shoutcast.

And... tell Slimserver to "tune in" to
http://localhost:something/listen.pls...

And guess what?

You are using winamp!  You can queue stuff up in winamp, you can play
with it all day.  You never have to scan a thing into Slimserver but
can use Winamp for all your needs!
> 
> i don't think that this should preclude the development of a windows
> driver for SB, to replace SS as the only method of using a SB.

The DRM chain in Vista does.  All sound drivers must be signed.  I am
sure that is somehow Slim's fault, too in your world.

Analogy:

You buy a brand new Porsche, but because this is a hypothetical world,
in this magical world Porsche gives out complete schematics to their
car.  No, wait, not just schematics: the CAD documents they used on
their production floor.  They figured "what the heck, if we go out of
business we arent screwing our customers and they may be able to
suggest tweaks to the cars for future revisions"

You then complain to them: "Why are you giving away schematics, you
should make this car take a Chevy engine, because I like my old '327...
and you have no right to force me to use your engine!"

The Porsche engineers look at you confused: they say, "If you want a
different engine here are all the schematics and you can either change
our engine around or figure out how to change the Chevy so it fits."

But then you rant at them that if they charged more for the manuals
instead of giving them for free, they would have the money to make it
work with a Chevy engine.

Get it yet?

Well, that is a rhetorical.  I don't care if you don't get it.  You
would rather argue and I have bette

Re: [slim] Re: Introducing..... me!

[Marc Sherman]

MrSinatra wrote:


what confuses me, is why they FORCE is to use this ONLY way, when they
give it out for free and make no money from it, and incur headaches and
costs from it.


Why do you keep saying they "FORCE" you to use slimserver? The slimproto 
is documented. If you don't like slimserver, and you can't modify it 
into something you do like, replace it with something else entirely.


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[slim] Re: Sharing slimserver playlists between Windows and Linux

[aubuti]

Pretty sure you're going to have path issues. Nothing that can't be
fixed by easy search-and-replace, but potentially inconvenient for
going back and forth.


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[slim] Re: Some MusicIP 'brains-out-blowing' problems

[Stan Pulsar]

Annnd. nope.
I eventually rescaned to  set stats back to 'full count' (13018 by 248
artists), but after a while (and probably the nightly scan), they
decreased again to 13013 songs by 229 artists.
So the trackstat settings for minimum songs by artist/album... are not
responsible for this strange behaviour.
This is getting repetitive.


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[slim] Re: Introducing..... me!

[totoro]

MrSinatra;174332 Wrote: 
> totoro, who died and made you king?  reread the first post:
> 
> 
> 
> as to the other post, yes, they got $20million.  but the point is they
> could have gotten a lot more.
> 
> from a business model perspective, what i said is true, 20mill or not.

I am embarrassed to admit, but I had confused this thread with another.
My apologies. I screwed up.

At the same time, I do think that there needs to be a place where
people who are unhappy with the architecture can post, which will not
be hopelessly intertwined with other discussions, to the detriment of
complainants and parties to other discussions. Please consider posting
to the general complaints thread I posted in the general forum, or
consider creating your own thread.

This should benefit everyone, I _think_ (of course, I could be proving
what an idiot I am-- oh, well).

regards,
Michael


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[slim] Complaints about architecture, slimserver, etc

[totoro]

I don't have any major complaints (I have minor ones about the fragility
of the album art feature, but that isn't what I want to address here.).

However, others clearly do. 

Because of the passion involved, some of these complaints end up in
somewhat unrelated threads. 

I thought I'd start one here. If it gets big/angry enough, it will
attract the attention of slimdevices people, thus satisfying people
upset with the hardware or software.

At the same time, it _might_ relieve some of the pressure on other
threads where people whose sb3/transporter/whatever simply didn't work
for them are expressing their frustration.

Sorry if this is presumptuous.

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[slim] Re: Nokia N800

[utowana]

This is not exactly a slimdevices forum post, but since everyone here is
so friendly, I'm hoping someone can give me a pointer to a resource.  I
have an N800 and it is a tremendous device, and i'm loving its utility
as a SS/SB controller using the Nokia 770 skin.

I'm not a Linux guy, and I have stared at the maemo.org site for quite
a while, and done numerous searches, and can find no "how to" walk thru
on how to install third party applications in the device.  It just ain't
intuitive for a non developer, non linux, windows guy. Can anyone help? 
Just point me to some resources and I'll be off and running.

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[slim] Sharing slimserver playlists between Windows and Linux

[egd]

Are slimserver playlists generated on the same dataset but under Windows
and/or Linux interchangeable or am I going to find path issues in the
playlist file?


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[slim] Re: Introducing..... me!

[totoro]

Robin Bowes;174330 Wrote: 
> MrSinatra wrote:
> 
> > do you not see the financial insanity of that?
> 
> Hey, it's s insane, they just sold the company for $20 million.
> 
> Jeez, I wish I was that mad.
> 
> R.

Don't feed the troll. This was supposed to be a happy thread.


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[slim] Re: Introducing..... me!

[MrSinatra]

totoro, who died and made you king?  reread the first post:

JimC;167482 Wrote: 
> Hi there.
> To that end, I would absolutely love to hear from the community about
> what you think is great about Slim Devices/Squeezebox/Transporter and
> about what we can do to make them better.  I plan to bring in
> additional resources to help expand the community here, as well as
> promote our third-party developers and plug-ins as a key value-add for
> our products.  It would be great to hear what YOU see as how we can
> best implement that, as well.
> 
> If you have any questions, feedback, gripes, or just want me to finish
> that match.com ad, let me know.

as to the other post, yes, they got $20million.  but the point is they
could have gotten a lot more.

from a business model perspective, what i said is true, 20mill or not.


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Re: [slim] Re: Introducing..... me!

[Robin Bowes]

MrSinatra wrote:

> do you not see the financial insanity of that?

Hey, it's s insane, they just sold the company for $20 million.

Jeez, I wish I was that mad.

R.

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[slim] Re: Introducing..... me!

[totoro]

MrSinatra;174327 Wrote: 
> i apparently have to explain this in painstaking detail...
> 
> 
> 
> ipod will work with other software, NOT ONLY itunes.
> 
> if it ONLY worked with itunes, it wouldn't be as popular as it is. 
> thats "so what."
> 
> 
> 
> you are totally missing the point, you completely misunderstand me.
> 
> 
> 
> try reading everything i wrote again.
> 
> i am NOT pissed about EITHER free, nothing you just wrote there above
> applies to me.
> 
> here's what i meant, and if you want to lay the blame at my feet for
> not being clear enough the first time, so be it:
> 
> SD makes NO MONEY or revenue out of developing SS.  there is no revenue
> in it for them.  i would also venture to guess that the costs
> ofdeveloping it far outweigh any partnerships they have with rhapsody
> and so on, if indeed those generate revenue at all.
> 
> they MAINLY make their money out of selling the hardware.
> 
> since that is the case, why FORCE us to use their free software?  why
> not make the hardware able to be used by any audio app, like winamp or
> itunes or musicmatch or whatever?
> 
> if they still wanted to develop and use SS they could, but it should
> not be the only way.
> 
> what confuses me, is why they FORCE is to use this ONLY way, when they
> give it out for free and make no money from it, and incur headaches and
> costs from it.
> 
> is this now clear?
> 
> 
> 
> it is in the interest of ANY company whose main revenue stream is
> SELLING HARDWARE to have their product more compatible, then less
> compatible.
> 
> SB is one of the only products out there that refuses to work with any
> other software.
> 
> yes, its open source, its free, its cross platform.  but that doesn't
> mean much to me if i don't like using it b/c it sucks in various ways.
> 
> i think a lot more people, even non techie newbies, would get a lot out
> of a SB they could use as "just another sound card" on their computer,
> that allowed them to use ANY pgm they wished with it.
> 
> 
> 
> all i want is a device driver for the OS that powers the SB.  i don't
> care if i can control it via remote or not.  i hardly think my request
> is sacriledge.
> 
> 
> 
> not realistic from a business model standpoint.
> 
> by that logic, SD shouldn't develop it at all, merely maintain what
> others do.  
> 
> 
> 
> what are you talking about?
> 
> i already said that setting up shoutcast and analog cables in my
> soundcard to give me a workaround so i can "feed" my SB is not a
> solution i'm interested in, as it defeats the sonic purpose and is
> inelegant to say the least.
> 
> 
> 
> straw man, not my argument.
> 
> 
> 
> actually, windows allows you to run more than one "sound device."  you
> can route "system sounds" and so on, to one device, and all your music
> and so on, to another device, (presumably the one where your stereo
> is).
> 
> i'm not sure what u mean by having the xp machine serve out the stream
> on a virtual audio device.
> 
> are you saying that if i want to run winamp, i should also run
> shoutcast, have it encode whatever winamp is doing, (via line in i
> suppose) and serve it out re-encoded?
> 
> that may work for winamp, but its not a good solution.
> 
> 
> 
> in my case, DRM has nothing to do with anything i'm doing.  i make my
> own mp3s and listen to mp3 streams.
> 
> i don't think that this should preclude the development of a windows
> driver for SB, to replace SS as the only method of using a SB.

Regardless of whether you have a point or not, all of your posts have
been hopelessly OT on this thread. Rather than hijack a thread, start a
new one.

This thread was supposed to be for people introducing themselves,
NOTHING ELSE.

Really, seriously, start another thread. This is NOT the place.


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Re: [slim] Re: Introducing..... me!

[Robin Bowes]

MrSinatra wrote:

> do you not see the financial insanity of that?

Hey, it's s insane, they just sold the company for $20 million.

Jeez, I wish I was that mad.

R.

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[slim] Re: Upgraded to 6.5.1 and NO SOUND

[AudioFrog]

How do I change from Flac to WAV? I poked around the 'File Types' menu
but I wasn't sure what to change.

Thanks,

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[slim] Re: Introducing..... me!

[MrSinatra]

i apparently have to explain this in painstaking detail...

snarlydwarf;174317 Wrote: 
> And Apple only charges you for an iPod but not for iTunes.  So what?

ipod will work with other software, NOT ONLY itunes.

if it ONLY worked with itunes, it wouldn't be as popular as it is. 
thats "so what."

snarlydwarf;174317 Wrote: 
> The license to Slimserver is GPL.  It is also Gratis.  If Slim Devices
> charged you $200 for it, would that make you think it is better?  Or
> would you only feel better if they didn't let you have source code?

you are totally missing the point, you completely misunderstand me.

snarlydwarf;174317 Wrote: 
> Which version of "free" are you so pissed off about:
> 
> 1) Free as in Liberty
> 2) Free as in Gratis
> 
> You are upset that the software is "free".. so which is it?  How will
> charging for software or hiding the source code make things better? 
> Personally, I would rather have software that costs less and gives me
> freedom... I don't know why you would object to either but
> whatever.

try reading everything i wrote again.

i am NOT pissed about EITHER free, nothing you just wrote there above
applies to me.

here's what i meant, and if you want to lay the blame at my feet for
not being clear enough the first time, so be it:

SD makes NO MONEY or revenue out of developing SS.  there is no revenue
in it for them.  i would also venture to guess that the costs
ofdeveloping it far outweigh any partnerships they have with rhapsody
and so on, if indeed those generate revenue at all.

they MAINLY make their money out of selling the hardware.

since that is the case, why FORCE us to use their free software?  why
not make the hardware able to be used by any audio app, like winamp or
itunes or musicmatch or whatever?

if they still wanted to develop and use SS they could, but it should
not be the only way.

what confuses me, is why they FORCE is to use this ONLY way, when they
give it out for free and make no money from it, and incur headaches and
costs from it.

is this now clear?

snarlydwarf;174317 Wrote: 
> "And iPods should work with different kinds of software, not only a
> free, costly [to them], buggy product many people don't like.   it
> doesn't benefit them in hardware sales..."
> 
> ??
> 
> Do you see the illogic here yet?
> 
> It is not the job of Apple, Slimdevices, Microsoft or anyone else to
> make their hardware work with the software of other companies"

it is in the interest of ANY company whose main revenue stream is
SELLING HARDWARE to have their product more compatible, then less
compatible.

SB is one of the only products out there that refuses to work with any
other software.

yes, its open source, its free, its cross platform.  but that doesn't
mean much to me if i don't like using it b/c it sucks in various ways.

i think a lot more people, even non techie newbies, would get a lot out
of a SB they could use as "just another sound card" on their computer,
that allowed them to use ANY pgm they wished with it.

snarlydwarf;174317 Wrote: 
> If you want to use J.River to control a squeezebox: TALK TO J.River.  
> If you want to use iTunes, talk to apple.  Slim does not have the code
> to those products and can't change them.

all i want is a device driver for the OS that powers the SB.  i don't
care if i can control it via remote or not.  i hardly think my request
is sacriledge.

snarlydwarf;174317 Wrote: 
> You, on the other hand, have the code to Slimserver: if you don't like
> it, change it.

not realistic from a business model standpoint.

by that logic, SD shouldn't develop it at all, merely maintain what
others do.  

snarlydwarf;174317 Wrote: 
> You do, actually.  Hint: Shoutcast plugin for Winamp.  This makes Winamp
> play nice and talk to other hardware.  Again, last I checked, the fine
> folks at AOL do not give out source code to Winamp...  Why don't you
> ask them for source code?

what are you talking about?

i already said that setting up shoutcast and analog cables in my
soundcard to give me a workaround so i can "feed" my SB is not a
solution i'm interested in, as it defeats the sonic purpose and is
inelegant to say the least.

snarlydwarf;174317 Wrote: 
> I am sure Steve Jobs will be glad to hear that he should charge for
> software since expensive software is somehow better than gratis
> software, and that the iPod will never sell because it won't play nice
> with other people.

straw man, not my argument.

snarlydwarf;174317 Wrote: 
> Again: it is technically possible to make a virtual audio device on
> Windows serve out an HTTP stream, which is all that it would take to
> make the SB very annoying with mail beeps and bloops and all the other
> "system sounds" windows loves so much...
> 
> At least with XP.

actually, windows allows you to run more than one "sound device."  you
can route "system sounds" and so on, to one device, and all your music
and so on, to another device, (presumably the one where your stereo
is.

i'm not sure 

[slim] End of songs cut off

[seyeth]

I recently upgraded to SlimServer 6.5.1 and now am experiencing a
problem on my SB3 when playing back songs from CD's ripped with i-Tunes
Lossless and stored on my hard drive. The last couple of seconds of each
song are abruptly cut off, with the next song immediately beginning. No
gap between songs as on the CD. 

I don't have crossfade selected in the settings menu, and can't think
of any other causes. Can anyone offer a fix?

Thanks.

Ken


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[slim] Re: Introducing..... me!

[USAudio]

Hi Jim,
Product suggestion:  I'd love to see a new mid-market player from Slim
Devices, positioned between the SqueezeBox and Transporter as described
here:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31935

Thanks for your consideration.


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[slim] Re: Introducing..... me!

[Mark Lanctot]

slimdemage;174265 Wrote: 
> I've been following the product line since I returned my Squeezebox last
> year when it did not perform as advertised.

And you've been whining about it ever since.

> Sean and Dean need a permanent vacation.

This has got to be the lowest comment I've ever seen in this forum. 
Congratulations, you just lowered the bar.

Guess who designed the Squeezebox and the Transporter in the first
place?  And guess who originated the market?

This is like walking into a McDonalds, loudly proclaiming the food
sucks, repeating it over and over again to everyone in the place,
demanding that they make their food not suck so much, yet refusing to
leave because you want a Big Mac and wish it didn't suck so much.


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[slim] Re: Introducing..... me!

[snarlydwarf]

MrSinatra;174311 Wrote: 
> ridiculous.  this ignores the whole point i made that SD only charges
> you for the hardware, NOT the software.

And Apple only charges you for an iPod but not for iTunes.  So what?

The license to Slimserver is GPL.  It is also Gratis.  If Slim Devices
charged you $200 for it, would that make you think it is better?  Or
would you only feel better if they didn't let you have source code?

Which version of "free" are you so pissed off about:

1) Free as in Liberty
2) Free as in Gratis

You are upset that the software is "free".. so which is it?  How will
charging for software or hiding the source code make things better? 
Personally, I would rather have software that costs less and gives me
freedom... I don't know why you would object to either but
whatever.

> 
> their hardware should work with different kinds of software, not only a
> free, costly [to them], buggy product [ss] many people don't like.  it
> doesn't benefit them in hardware sales, (ie. their revenue stream) to
> be so restricted.

And iPods should work with different kinds of software, not only a
free, costly [to them], buggy product many people don't like.   it
doesn't benefit them in hardware sales...

??

Do you see the illogic here yet?

It is not the job of Apple, Slimdevices, Microsoft or anyone else to
make their hardware work with the software of other companies  If
you want to use J.River to control a squeezebox: TALK TO J.River.   If
you want to use iTunes, talk to apple.  Slim does not have the code to
those products and can't change them.

You, on the other hand, have the code to Slimserver: if you don't like
it, change it.  


> 
> the problem is i can use winamp if i don't like itunes (which btw is
> true).  i DON'T have that option here, as long as i want to continue
> using the fine SB hardware.

You do, actually.  Hint: Shoutcast plugin for Winamp.  This makes
Winamp play nice and talk to other hardware.  Again, last I checked,
the fine folks at AOL do not give out source code to Winamp...  Why
don't you ask them for source code?


> 
> not a realistic reaction for a successful business model.

I am sure Steve Jobs will be glad to hear that he should charge for
software since expensive software is somehow better than gratis
software, and that the iPod will never sell because it won't play nice
with other people.

Again: it is technically possible to make a virtual audio device on
Windows serve out an HTTP stream, which is all that it would take to
make the SB very annoying with mail beeps and bloops and all the other
"system sounds" windows loves so much...

At least with XP.

With Vista?  If Microsoft is keeping their word to content providers --
no, you will not be able to interecept the output of iTunes or WMP or
anything else that plays DRM'd files doing so would be violating
the DMCA.


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Re: [slim] Re: Mailing list/forum bridge problem

[kdf]

Quoting funkstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


that'll be why it happened to KDF twice then, after all, he did reply
to a post before it actually made it to the forum once :)


I've also been having intermittent isp issues.  Around the same period  
of time as the forum posts in question, I had 3 others bounced right  
back at me by the gateway claiming an invalid subject line.  Frankly,  
I'm surprised that it lasted this long with Dan on vacation :)


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[slim] Re: Introducing..... me!

[MrSinatra]

snarlydwarf;174254 Wrote: 
> You do know that there are long-ass-virtual-cable products like the
> Airport Express or others from DLink and ... Logitech?
> 
> If that is what you want, you can get one of those much cheaper than an
> SB.

sure.  the rca lyra can be had for $20 and uses any software you want
with it, AND it has a rca universal remote that lets you control
musicmatch and virtually any other hardware.

BUT it is a tad inferior sonically, thus why i own a SB.

snarlydwarf;174254 Wrote: 
> No one forced you to buy a Squeezebox.
> 
> You can use whatever software you want.  That it doesn't work is the
> problem of the software.  "OMG, I cant use WORD to play music!"

ridiculous.  this ignores the whole point i made that SD only charges
you for the hardware, NOT the software.

their hardware should work with different kinds of software, not only a
free, costly [to them], buggy product [ss] many people don't like.  it
doesn't benefit them in hardware sales, (ie. their revenue stream) to
be so restricted.

and btw, their product COULD do both.  its not necessarily either /
or.

snarlydwarf;174254 Wrote: 
> Hint: you -can- use Winamp to play music.

sure, but not easily on a SB, without running shoutcast, rewiring and
so on...  (unless i'm mistaken).

snarlydwarf;174254 Wrote: 
> Most people, though, bought a squeezebox so that they could control it
> remotely and not sit at a computer.  That remote control is what
> seperates the Squeezebox from something like Airport Express or the
> Dlink and Logitech products.

i disagree, many of those products have a remote, and i'd say logitechs
is probably superior.

for me, the hardware quality sonically, and its ability to be tcp/ip'd
and sync'd with other SBs, is what sets it apart.

snarlydwarf;174254 Wrote: 
> No, what people are saying is that the software is Free, as in Libris,
> as in Liberty, not as in Free Beer: if you don't like the way the
> software works, then you can change it!  Don't like the way J. River
> works?  Tough.  Don't like the way Itunes works?  Tough.

the problem is i can use winamp if i don't like itunes (which btw is
true).  i DON'T have that option here, as long as i want to continue
using the fine SB hardware.

snarlydwarf;174254 Wrote: 
> If you don't like the way Slimserver works: go download the code and
> change it.

not a realistic reaction for a successful business model.

snarlydwarf;174254 Wrote: 
> No, I see that you have difficulties with words having more than one
> meaning.

no bile from me, not sure if this is from you.  i can debate civilly,
if everyone else can.  in any case, if you'd like to explain that, i'll
see if i can get it thru my thick head.


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[slim] Re: Announce: Official SlimServer v6.5.1 Release

[Ron F .]

I had the same problem - I could not install 6.5.1 over 6.5.0 and have a
functioning Slimserver afterwards. This problem occured on two of my
machines - one XP, the other running Win 2K.

What I did finally, is I completely uninstalled Slimserver on both
machines, including deleting the directory from Program Files. I then
installed 6.5.1. I made sure there were no firewall issues. On both
machines that appeared to solve the problem.

I am apologize to those who are indicating the wish for announcements
only here.

-Ron


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[slim] Re: Slooooooow response from 6.5.1

[bpa]

Look at Task manager to see what is processor usage and is there a CPU
hog.

Otherwise enable Network Health plugin and get some measurement on
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[slim] Re: Slooooooow response from 6.5.1

[Chewie]

Anyone :-(


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[slim] Re: Mailing list/forum bridge problem

[funkstar]

Ah, ok. I didn't relaise this was the same problem again.

Phil Meyer;174222 Wrote: 
> Seems to be when a person posts two messages in quick succession (within
> the same minute maybe?)
that'll be why it happened to KDF twice then, after all, he did reply
to a post before it actually made it to the forum once :)


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[slim] Re: squeezebox turning off

[ceejay]

When you say its turning off ... what exactly do you mean? The display
goes dark? If so try pressing the brightness key.

Ceejay


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[slim] Horrible white noise related to dying batteries in remote?

[MikeWynneDub]

Hi,

Last night my SB3 started emitting horrible white noise at random
intervals in songs and then for all songs. This hasn't happened before
on a relatively stable system.

However, when I changed the batteries in the reomte the problem seemed
to disappear.

Is this just coincidence? Has anyone else experienced anything
similar?

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[slim] Re: Upgraded to 6.5.1 and NO SOUND

[SteveEast]

Have you tried streaming as WAV rather than FLAC?

Steve.


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[slim] Re: Introducing..... me!

[Nostromo]

JimC;167482 Wrote: 
> Hi there.
> 
> My name is Jim Carlton.  I'm a Virgo.  I like long walks on the beach,
> candlelit dinners, and dancing under the stars.
> 
> Wait!  That's my match.com ad copy.
> 
> Actually, I'm the new Director of Product Marketing here at Slim -- now
> known as the SMS Business Unit at Logitech.  Prior to accepting this
> role, I was the iPod/MP3 and wireless music business manager for
> Logitech in the America's region.  And before that, I've had stints as
> one of the founders of Virgin Electronics, as a jack-of-lots-of-trades
> at Creative Labs, and further back than that just doesn't really
> matter.
> 
> My first order of business here is to offload some of the work of
> integrating Slim with Logitech, so Sean and Dean can get back to
> sleeping once in a while.  Overall, I'll be responsible for the
> customer-facing aspects of this business, and for helping shape how we
> tell the rest of the world about how great the products are...
> 
> To that end, I would absolutely love to hear from the community about
> what you think is great about Slim Devices/Squeezebox/Transporter and
> about what we can do to make them better.  I plan to bring in
> additional resources to help expand the community here, as well as
> promote our third-party developers and plug-ins as a key value-add for
> our products.  It would be great to hear what YOU see as how we can
> best implement that, as well.
> 
> If you have any questions, feedback, gripes, or just want me to finish
> that match.com ad, let me know.

Welcome Jim!

I think the SlimServer moto sums up what's great about the Squeezebox:
free your music! It frees your music from the CD. And, to me, its not
simply a more convenient way to listen to music. Thanks to the
Squeezebox, I can now listen to music anyway I choose. I can listen to
whole albums, the old fashioned way. Or I can listen to my favorite
Nick Cave songs, or my favorite Beatles songs. I can listen to chillout
songs, to some classical piano or whatever... And if I'm tired of my own
music collection, I can listen to internet radio or Pandora.


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[slim] Re: Slimserver, Shoutcast and Winamp

[andyg]

I'd be more interested in what the buffer fullness display shows as
you're listening to the stream, and what happens if you manually pause
the stream for, say, 30 seconds, to let it rebuffer.  Is the station
WMA or MP3?


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[slim] Re: Favorites / My Picks names ...

[Triode]

Seems to work for me - try rescanning your library to ensure you don't
have anything stored in the database for this stream.


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[slim] Re: Introducing..... me!

[bklaas]

slimdemage;174265 Wrote: 
> JimI am not trolling and I would be glad to discuss the matter further,
> in vast technical detail.

oh no, that wasn't a troll at all. not one bit.

good god has this thread turned to bile.


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[slim] Re: Slimserver, Shoutcast and Winamp

[chefgrill]

Had it once again, problem exists, even if i restart the stream it'll
happen again... turned on my other sb, problem gone.

I have cable internet, as it is 11pm in Switzerland now, it seems like
there's not much load on the network.. maybe this has an impact.

@andyg
please tell me if you have any idea on what else i should test. i can
do ethereal/wireshark tomorrow, but only if it makes sense, because
it'll be some work to make my environment sniffable.


@MrSinatra
I see your concerns, but shouting around will not help solving the
problem.


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[slim] Re: squeezebox turning off

[peterw]

Sounds like it could be a networking problem -- does the SB announce on
its display that it has lost the connection with SlimServer, or does it
just go dark & quiet? When it turns itself off like this, do you still
see the player listed in the web interface? You say that you need to
unplug the power supply -- what else did you try? Holding down the
Power or Left Arrow remote buttons (on the real SB remote)? Etc. Have
you updated the firmware lately?


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[slim] Re: Introducing..... me!

[slimdemage]

Jim,

I've been following the product line since I returned my Squeezebox
last year when it did not perform as advertised. 

A year later I am testing the latest Slimserver with Softsqueeze, just
to see if the situation has improved. My friend, you have a major mess
on your hands. I am not trolling and I would be glad to discuss the
matter further, in vast technical detail. Sean and Dean need a
permanent vacation. It is clear your company is understaffed and
continues to push out products that are buggy. I've never seen a
community with so many problems in my life. Briefly, if I had to
summarize it all it would read:

- multiply software development efforts by 4X, because slimserver is a
complete mess
- perfect and own softsqueeze-type player software

One day may your team get this right.


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[slim] Re: Upgraded to 6.5.1 and NO SOUND

[AudioFrog]

I moved my Itunes music folder right off of root of my C: drive, pointed
to the new folder in Itunes, cleared and rescanned my library in
Slimserver but the same problem occurs. It was worth the try anyway.


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[slim] Re: Easy how-to on cover art somewhere?

[bergek]

Personally I have found that automatic downloading of cover art works
fine most of the time but for some records it is almost impossible to
find a decent image.

As I wanted perfect rips with EAC/FLAC I felt that the quality of the
online images was just not up to standard. Instead I have gone back to
doing it the manual way, scanning all my covers and storing a JPEG of
size 1080x1080 in the same folder as the music. I then use the attached
perl script to automatically create resized copies of sizes 100x100 and
300x300 pixels. The bigger image size big was selected for future
solutions that will hopefully allow full-screen cover visualisation on
HD TVs.

I run it on Linux but I assume it could run on Windows as well with
minor modifications.

Sounds complex but it was actually much quicker than the ripping part.


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[slim] Re: Getting rid of slimserver

[P Floding]

Marc Sherman;174256 Wrote: 
> P Floding wrote:
> > 
> > I stream uncompressed WAV over my WLAN and it works just fine. I
> don't
> > even notice it. (But then I don't do time critical things like
> gaming
> > on the WLAN.)
> > 
> > Anyway, FLAC's compression ratio is only about 1:2.
> 
> I should point out that I've only got an SB1, and I sure don't want to
> be streaming uncompressed WAV over 802.11b. :)
> 
> - Marc

Oh, didn't realize!
No, that would be a bad idea!


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[slim] Re: Introducing..... me!

[P Floding]

JimC;167482 Wrote: 
> Hi there.
> 
> My name is Jim Carlton.  I'm a Virgo.  I like long walks on the beach,
> candlelit dinners, and dancing under the stars.
> 
> Wait!  That's my match.com ad copy.
> 
> Actually, I'm the new Director of Product Marketing here at Slim -- now
> known as the SMS Business Unit at Logitech.  Prior to accepting this
> role, I was the iPod/MP3 and wireless music business manager for
> Logitech in the America's region.  And before that, I've had stints as
> one of the founders of Virgin Electronics, as a jack-of-lots-of-trades
> at Creative Labs, and further back than that just doesn't really
> matter.
> 
> My first order of business here is to offload some of the work of
> integrating Slim with Logitech, so Sean and Dean can get back to
> sleeping once in a while.  Overall, I'll be responsible for the
> customer-facing aspects of this business, and for helping shape how we
> tell the rest of the world about how great the products are...
> 
> To that end, I would absolutely love to hear from the community about
> what you think is great about Slim Devices/Squeezebox/Transporter and
> about what we can do to make them better.  I plan to bring in
> additional resources to help expand the community here, as well as
> promote our third-party developers and plug-ins as a key value-add for
> our products.  It would be great to hear what YOU see as how we can
> best implement that, as well.
> 
> If you have any questions, feedback, gripes, or just want me to finish
> that match.com ad, let me know.

Hi Jim!
I hope you have thick skin, if you want feedback from us here.. ;-)
OK, in no particular order:

Personally I think the current implementation model (SlimServer) has a
lot to commend it.

However, the web based GUI needs an alternative interface that better
hides it's HTML based nature. Slicker and more "local app" -like. It
could then have a "local app" operating mode as well for those that
despise the server model -just run the server locally and don't mention
it! (Actually, that should probably be the default mode, and remote
access, with identical GUI, being the icing on the cake.) In short:
Talk less to customers about how it's done, and make GUI slicker..

I never use SqueezeNetwork, since I don't like the logging-off and
logging-on procedure.

Re-scan should be automatic and intelligent (using file date
information). No two hour scans please!

A history function would be superb so one could go back to previous
songs/albums after listening to a few different things. (I know a
playlist could emulate this, but it's so easy to just press "Play" and
erase any list. After which you utter some unmentionables..) On the
same theme: "Favourites" is a bit primitive. At least I haven't
discovered any way to structure it..

I like the device-driver-talks-to-SB suggestions I've seen lately.
Would make the SB universally accessible as an audio device. (Although
SB display info would be limited.) Questions arise about control over
the SB though.. (Must also be optional, since we don't want our
direct-coupled SBs suddenly blowing our speakers with Windows
"boings".)

Whatever you do, don't save pennies on the sound quality, or I (and I'm
sure most here) might as well get a Roku or whatever.. (In fact, I'd
still use my CD player.) Sean knows best! ;-D

Can we have a Transporter Light without the knob and without balanced
connectors for around $1000, please? (And _optional_ handles...)

Rgds


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[slim] squeezebox turning off

[drewe181]

i have this problem with my squeezebox occasionally turning itself off
whilst in use. When this happens, I need to unplug the power supply and
plug it back in to get it started up again.
anyone else have this happen to them or have a reason/solution?


thanks

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[slim] Re: Introducing..... me!

[Nostromo]

MrSinatra;174242 Wrote: 
> SD FORCES US to use SS to power their hardware.  thats what i mean.

Complaining that SlimDevices forces us to use SlimServer is like
complaining that Mazda forces you to use the rotary engine. Others
could explain this a lot more clearly than me, but its my understanding
that SS is an intrinsic part of Squeezebox, its not just another media
player. You couldn't simply replace it with iTunes or Windows media
player, not without loss of functionality.


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[slim] Re: Introducing..... me!

[snarlydwarf]

MrSinatra;174242 Wrote: 
> what do you mean?  you don't understand the difference?  the difference
> is i would not need the cable.  the difference is i could use any
> software, not just SS.
> 
> how do you not understand that?

You do know that there are long-ass-virtual-cable products like the
Airport Express or others from DLink and ... Logitech?

If that is what you want, you can get one of those much cheaper than an
SB.
> 
> SD FORCES US to use SS to power their hardware.  thats what i mean.

...

No one forced you to buy a Squeezebox.

You can use whatever software you want.  That it doesn't work is the
problem of the software.  "OMG, I cant use WORD to play music!"

Hint: you -can- use Winamp to play music.

Most people, though, bought a squeezebox so that they could control it
remotely and not sit at a computer.  That remote control is what
seperates the Squeezebox from something like Airport Express or the
Dlink and Logitech products.
> 
> often, on these forums, when someone criicizes SD/SS, much is made of
> how the software is FREE, and all we paid for is the hardware, with lil
> thought given to the fact that this is the only software that powers the
> hardware.

No, what people are saying is that the software is Free, as in Libris,
as in Liberty, not as in Free Beer: if you don't like the way the
software works, then you can change it!  Don't like the way J. River
works?  Tough.  Don't like the way Itunes works?  Tough.

If you don't like the way Slimserver works: go download the code and
change it.


> 
> my point is, in the SD business model, WHY would they tie their
> hardware, (which is not free) to "free" software?
> 
> do you not see the financial insanity of that?

No, I see that you have difficulties with words having more than one
meaning.


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Re: [slim] Re: Getting rid of slimserver

[Marc Sherman]

P Floding wrote:
> 
> I stream uncompressed WAV over my WLAN and it works just fine. I don't
> even notice it. (But then I don't do time critical things like gaming
> on the WLAN.)
> 
> Anyway, FLAC's compression ratio is only about 1:2.

I should point out that I've only got an SB1, and I sure don't want to
be streaming uncompressed WAV over 802.11b. :)

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[slim] Re: Favorites / My Picks names ...

[Nickok]

If I go Right immediately after playing from My Picks I get the
following:

Title: Concertzender
URL: http://www.omroep.nl/concertzender/live64.asx

If I go Right when Now playing is showing I get:

Title: tester1
File Format: Windows Media
URL: mms://livemedia.omroep.nl/concertzender-breed

Concertzender is the name I was trying to use.


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[slim] Re: Introducing..... me!

[smc2911]

I suspect that the potential increase in sales revenue generated by
allowing any software to server music to the SB would be more than
offset by the increase in development costs that would be required for
the SB to accommodate such diversity.


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[slim] Re: Introducing..... me!

[Skunk]

shabbs;173921 Wrote: 
> Long live the cables!

No, follow the gourd!


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[slim] Re: Slimserver, Shoutcast and Winamp

[MrSinatra]

imo, i think the reality is as you said, but for whatever reason, SD
does not want to admit or even for a moment consider, that what we are
saying is true.

i for one, will not purchase a second SB to prove it, but i am fairly
confident you have just done so.  great experiment.


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[slim] Re: Favorites / My Picks names ...

[Triode]

Does the radio station send metadata - if so slimserver will display
this in place of the name you have given it.

When playing - what does it show when you press right arrow and look at
the info menu for the remote stream?


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[slim] Re: Getting rid of slimserver

[P Floding]

Marc Sherman;173843 Wrote: 
> Or FLAC. You certainly wouldn't want to stream uncompressed WAV to the 
> squeezebox, it would trash your network.
> 

I stream uncompressed WAV over my WLAN and it works just fine. I don't
even notice it. (But then I don't do time critical things like gaming
on the WLAN.)

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[slim] Re: Can't open slim server

[2string]

Thanks for your help.All fixed.


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[slim] Re: Introducing..... me!

[MrSinatra]

snarlydwarf;174228 Wrote: 
> Because most of us see little difference between that and a Long Ass
> Cable to the stereo?

what do you mean?  you don't understand the difference?  the difference
is i would not need the cable.  the difference is i could use any
software, not just SS.

how do you not understand that?

snarlydwarf;174228 Wrote: 
> And wtf is the "forcing all of us to use FREE software?"
> 
> If you want to replace mysql with Oracle or MS-SQL, go for it...
> 
> I really don't see what the copyright has to do with anything at all.

perhaps i worded this poorly, allow me to expound:

SD FORCES US to use SS to power their hardware.  thats what i mean.

often, on these forums, when someone criicizes SD/SS, much is made of
how the software is FREE, and all we paid for is the hardware, with lil
thought given to the fact that this is the only software that powers the
hardware.

my point is, in the SD business model, WHY would they tie their
hardware, (which is not free) to "free" software?

do you not see the financial insanity of that?

if the hardware is all they make money on, then the adoption rate of it
would be FAR HIGHER if it worked with any software.


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[slim] Re: Scanning folder

[2string]

Thanks for your help.Got it done!!


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[slim] Re: Scanning folder

[Siduhe]

Open up Slimserver web interface;
Go to Server Settings;
Enter Music Library folder (where your music is);

Don't forget you may need to use an UNC path if you are pointing at a
network folder(see the FAQs).

Click save.

Slimserver should start its first scan.


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Re: [slim] Mailing list/forum bridge problem

[Marc Sherman]

Phil Meyer wrote:
> 
> I raised bug report 2712 over a year ago
> (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2712).  Please vote for
> it.
> 

Voting appears to be disabled for the lists.slimdevices.com product. :/

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[slim] Re: Announce: Official SlimServer v6.5.1 Release

[mphearn]

andyg;174217 Wrote: 
> Do you see slim.exe running?  One way to rule the cache out as being the
> source of the problem is to simply delete the FileCache directory which
> you should find at C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\Cache\FileCache

I didn't check to see if slim.exe was running (I'm back on 6.5.0 now!)
but when I did a clean install of 6.5.1 I deleted the entire C:\Program
Files\Slimserver directory with all its contents so presumably the cache
is not the problem.

The slimserver icon was in the system tray. When I clicked it and
selected 'open slimserver' the IE window opened with the message
'connecting' - but it never ever actually connected.


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[slim] Re: Slimserver, Shoutcast and Winamp

[chefgrill]

the problem seems to be gone for the moment, so i cannot proof my idea
at the moment :-(


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[slim] Scanning folder

[2string]

How do I scan my music folder into SlimServer?


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[slim] Re: Introducing..... me!

[snarlydwarf]

MrSinatra;174223 Wrote: 
> 
> its such a slam dunk, WHY isn't anyone at SD doing it?  why are they
> forcing all of us to use FREE software?  wouldn't their hardware be
> better served by letting any software use it?

Because most of us see little difference between that and a Long Ass
Cable to the stereo?

And wtf is the "forcing all of us to use FREE software?"

If you want to replace mysql with Oracle or MS-SQL, go for it...

I really don't see what the copyright has to do with anything at all.


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[slim] Favorites / My Picks names ...

[Nickok]

This is more of a minor annoyance than a problem...

I've been using My Picks to name radio streams. Also sometimes edit
Slimserver.prefs to provide friendly names for radio streams in
Favorites. If for some reason I want to, I can edit again to rename the
stream. 

There's one stream though where this never seems to work. No matter
what name I give it or even if I delete and recreate it, the playlist
name (RH pane of UI) and the name shown in the Now Playing always shows
as 'tester' - which is probably the name I originally used.

What's causing this? Is there a way to correct it?
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[slim] Re: The ultimate remote control?

[TiredLegs]

How about using one of these as a Slimserver? Hang a big hard drive off
the USB, and voila! Like an NAS with a touchscreen.


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[slim] Re: Introducing..... me!

[MrSinatra]

Nostromo;174145 Wrote: 
> Don' explain how it works. People don't care about the technical
> details. Just show them what you can do with it. They'll understand
> that. That's what I did with people around me. I talked about it to my
> brother, who is not technically minded at all, and he was all jazzed
> up: "Wow! where can I get one?" Unfortunately, I had to break to him
> the bad news: : "Sorry, but if you don't know beans about computers, I
> don't recommend it."

hilarious, this is sublime...

the first guy says they glaze over when told how it works, so the
second guy says "no!  don't tell them how it works, show them" so they
get all into it and then at THAT POINT say, "pft, your dumbass can't
handle the truth!"

hilarious!

that short lil exchange more than any other goes to PROVE that the SB
needs, MUST, get a virtual device driver for differing operating
systems, starting with XP since its the major one.

if i can't do dvd sync'd to video, fine, but i would love using winamp
to power my SB, and i'm not alone.  many people out there want to use
the hardware, but want to use their software of choice with it, not
some amalgem of mysql, browser, scanner, that oh by the way, can't rip,
can't edit, etc...

its such a slam dunk, WHY isn't anyone at SD doing it?  why are they
forcing all of us to use FREE software?  wouldn't their hardware be
better served by letting any software use it?


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[slim] Re: Slimserver, Shoutcast and Winamp

[chefgrill]

I have, i think the same Problem...

If I'm listening to a stream (doesn't have to be anytime or any stream)
it somehow brakes. It's difficult to explain, it's like everything is
rumbled. After a few seconds SB is rebuffering, an it all starts
again.

foobar plays the streams with no problem.

what i did without impact:
Changed internet router
Changed from wireless to wired
Set up SlimServer on my mac to test.

what i figured out:
softsqueeze doesn't have the problem
if i sync my 2 squeezeboxes, the problem is gone!

in my eyes this proofs that the problem is the squeezebox handling the
stream directly. an option to set ss to stream shoutcast through ss and
not directly would fix the problem.

I'll let you know as soon as i know more.


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Re: [slim] Mailing list/forum bridge problem

[Phil Meyer]

>What is going on with the forums and list connection?
>
>I've seen three posts that are in the wrong threads. Two of which are
>from KDF.
>
Sigh - this has been a long-running problem that several people have mentioned 
several times as it is really frustrating.  It's caused by people posting 
messages via the web forum.  The web forum doesn't generate unique message 
id's.  Seems to be when a person posts two messages in quick succession (within 
the same minute maybe?)

I raised bug report 2712 over a year ago 
(http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2712).  Please vote for it.

Phil
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Re: [slim] Unsubscribing...

[Phil Meyer]

>Sorry to be asking this here, but how do I go about unsubscribing from this 
>list?

Follow the link at the bottom any received email message.

Or, via looking in email headers, you should see:

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So either visit the web page, which has options to change your subscription 
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[slim] Re: Announce: Official SlimServer v6.5.1 Release

[andyg]

Do you see slim.exe running?  One way to rule the cache out as being the
source of the problem is to simply delete the FileCache directory which
you should find at C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\Cache\FileCache


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[slim] Re: Announce: Official SlimServer v6.5.1 Release

[mphearn]

andyg;174203 Wrote: 
> You probably just didn't let it run long enough for the web server to
> start.  The first time you run 6.5.1 there is some cache cleanup that
> is done, so it may take a bit longer to startup.  Check Task Manager to
> see if slim.exe is running.


I waited for several minutes before giving up. How long do you think it
might take?

I have a Pentium 4 and 1Gb of memory.

Malcolm


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[slim] Re: Getting rid of slimserver

[Listener]

Marc Sherman;174113 Wrote: 
> Peter wrote:
> > 
> > I'm not so sure the delays introduced by streaming & buffering the
> sound 
> > to the SB wouldn't create annoying problems with sound/image 
> > synchronisation. It would be great if this worked, but it might not
> be 
> > feasible.
> 
> Oh, I'm sure it would create annoying problems with synch. To be clear,
> 
> I think that a vxd sound driver is a _terrible_ idea, and I'd be upset
> 
> if SD wasted their own resources on it instead of improving the 
> cross-platform slimserver-based model that got me to buy my SB in the 
> first place. I was giving MrSinatra et al the info they'd need if they
> 
> wanted to implement this themselves.
> 
> - Marc


Some technical notes:  

- VxDs aren't used in Win XOP and Vista.  They were part of the Win
3.1/Win 95/Win 98/Win ME architecture.  Win NT/2000/XP/Vista use kernel
mode drivers to do the kernel level stuff (kernel mode code.)

- You can probably implement a simple WaveOut driver as user mode DLL
without writing any kernel level code.  You will require the
documentation and header files from the Windows Device Driver Kit  to
implement the right API and to compile the DLL.  Making your devices
look like a DirectSound device might require extra work.

- There are some cheap devices to send audio over a wired or wireless
LAN by capturing audio output.  They don't look like an additional
audio device; they just redirect all audio output to their device. 
Either you are playing audio or their device or you are playing through
a regular audio device.  Pretty ugly.

- Vista has some new support for writing user level code to look like
an audio device.  It allows for multiple audio devices.  It looks
attractive but I'll bet there are some DRM related problems for
implementing this approach an dfor using the result.

Bill


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[slim] Re: Can't open slim server

[2string]

Ok, got it,I had to reboot in order to delete the file completely.Now
how do I transfer all my songs to SlimServer.Please forgive me it's
been over 2 years since I first install SlimServer


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Re: [slim] Unsubscribing...

[kdf]

Use the url at the bottom of every mailing you receive from this list.

looks like this:
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss

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[slim] Unsubscribing...

[Michael Haan]

Sorry to be asking this here, but how do I go about unsubscribing from this 
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