Re: [slim] Time for a speculation thread...
I think a Controller2 would make sense. Just think of a Touch without cables and just a battery/stand. It could compete with any phone because the screen is larger (I'm still no friend of iPeng or SqueezeCommander, though they do their best on the small screen), and it could (hopefully) compete with any tablet because of the price tag. Then let's also not forget, that most people first see the product line, only a few search the web if there are alternative controls for phones/tablets that could replace any of Logis devices. Many people write 'I first had a controller, now I'm using yours ..', so there is definitely a consumer market for a better controller. And packet together with a receiver like the Duet it would still make a great appeal in shops and on Amazon. I think Logitech has got a great asset with Squeezeboxes. As seen on this thread, for each Squeezebox there is an 'easy to do' upgrade, when they just mix their known products (i.e. Boom II) or just upgrade them (i.e. Touch II). At least on the software side they don't need to do much - it's just the hardware guys that are asked to provide new casings. I'd bet on Boom II. -- bluegaspode Big Screen for great Boxes available now at your AppStore: *'Squeezebox + iPad = SqueezePad ' (www.squeezepad.com)* - -now featuring streaming to iPad!- Want to see a Weather Forecast on your Radio/Touch/Controller ? => why not try my 'Weather Forecast Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73827) Want to use the Headphones with your Controller ? => why not try my 'Headphone Switcher Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67139) Setup: 1x SB-Controller+Receiver (Duet), 1xSB-Boom. 2xSB-Radio Server (7.5.x) running on SheevaPlug (Ubuntu) with attached Western Digital MyBook Essential. bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85982 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] RJ45 (or WiFi) "SoundCard" does it exist ?
Hi Does this type of "SoundCard" exist: RJ45 (or WiFi) with build-in DAC I was thinking to run a SqueezePlay software player on my WHS machine, and have a "remote" soundcard by my amp in the living room -- finnbrodersen Some version of SBServer running on a HP EX490 home server SBReceiver --> NAD C162+C272 --> DALI IKON 6 (let's call it MidFi) finnbrodersen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17360 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85991 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Support for Moodagent
voted -- raven22 Setup: 1 Touch, 3 Booms and 1 Radio. Server: SheevaPlug running SqueezePlug V2, SBS 7.6.0, Tonido (streams .flac in webbrowser) raven22's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16511 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85983 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time for a speculation thread...
jean2;614583 Wrote:
> Do you have facts to back that up ?
>
Since there aren't any facts available, just strong indications and
suspicions, let's follow the wish of the original poster of this
thread, shall we ?
For anyone that haven't already seen the indications, just search in
the forum, we don't have to repeat them in this thread.
Just as a reminder to everyone, FredFredrickson initially said:
FredFredrickson;614449 Wrote:
>
> I don't want this thread to degrade into pointless logitech killing the
> franchise arguments. Just ideas about the next squeezebox.
>
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Re: [slim] 24-bit audio (new article)
dsdreamer;614593 Wrote: > I like the linked Gigaom article's tone and approach. > > http://gigaom.com/apple/24-bit-itunes-music-would-be-a-step-in-the-right-direction/ > > I'd personally only interested if it were 24 bits@96kHz. I care more > for the 96kHz than the 24 bits, but I'd certainly be glad to have both. > I'd feel a bit sorry for the likes of Linn Records and HDTracks if this > were to happen, though. ? I was under the impression that majority of the eventual improvement is in the increased bith depth ? As this would increase the signal content that we stand a chance to hear. I know what a brick wall fillter is, but this is nowdays only a factor during recording then the frequency must be high to avoid that,. But for playback at home most modern DAC's have massive oversampling so for playback this is not really a problem anymore. But 24/96 would be a good consumer standard if it came to that, as maybe 44.1 is a little to low but it don't need to be 96 and maybe more than 16bit is needed, but again not as much as 24bit . So this would be all you can eat with some error margin built in . trivia, a part off the DVDA standard I never seen in practical use was that you could have different bith deth and sample rate for different channels so theoretically if you did an 5.1 dvda and wanted to save some disc space you could have 20/48 for the rear channels or what ever, 192k was only allowed for pure 2ch otherwise you could mix between all rates. Even if like the 24/96 format it would be hard to motivate 24/96 for the LFE channel ? If they want hifi why not reintroduce multichannel music again ? as dvda an d sacd had. This works very well it's not a gimmick (unless the producers of the record make it soo ), but as when stereo was introduced they where Luddites claiming that mono was better too. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD & SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85879 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 24-bit audio (new article)
I like the linked Gigaom article's tone and approach. http://gigaom.com/apple/24-bit-itunes-music-would-be-a-step-in-the-right-direction/ I'd personally only interested if it were 24 bits@96kHz. I care more for the 96kHz than the 24 bits, but I'd certainly be glad to have both. I'd feel a bit sorry for the likes of Linn Records and HDTracks if this were to happen, though. -- dsdreamer -- "Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you..." dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85879 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Need help pointing towards itunes
Guys - sorry for a question that's probably been answered endless times, but I could really use some help. A couple of questions that I've been trying to figure out for months, and I just don't know enough. I have my whole music library set up on a mounted storage drive. I also have my itunes library xml file/directory on this same drive. I can't get squeezebox server to point at itunes instead of my music directory. Anyone know a troubleshooting process that I can go through? The beginner's itunes sqeezebox setup page did not help. I also want to be able to reach my 24bit files, which itunes will not support. Can I still point sqeezebox server at a music directory in addition to itunes? Even inside of the 16bit files in itunes, I want to be able to sort them by MP3, lossless, etc. Is the only way to do this through itunes playlists if I'm pointing squeeze at itunes? I currently have different directories for each in my music directory. Thanks for any and all help!! -- fortitude.five fortitude.five's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23323 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85989 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time for a speculation thread...
JJZolx;614564 Wrote: > My bet is none. We've reached the end of the line. Do you have facts to back that up ? Logitech SqueezeBox are selling well : http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/electronics/322215011/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_e_1_3_last http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/electronics/172633/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_e_2_3_last http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/electronics/172681/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_e_3_3_last Those rankings have been fairly consistents over the last months. The most amazing to me is the portable radio and boombox category, where the Radio is competing effectively against $30 radios ! Second, if Logitech was not making money, and its products were not successful, the competition would not try to emulate them : http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/30/grace-digital-adds-color-displays-on-new-solo-touch-bravado-x/ Facts are : First, according to one of the largest US retailer, Logitech products are selling well. Not as much as iPod, obviously, but I don't think it's possible. Second, the SqueezeBox line is seen as sufficiently successful and generating enough profit that competitors are jumping in, not the sign of a dying market. It's true that Logitech could decide to stop here, but the signs are that Logitech is successful with the SqueezeBox line and will continue to try to serve that market and sell more boxes. And, because of competition raising the bar, this will mean new products. Now, the communication and actions of the company may not be that clear, but all big companies are like that. Logitech may make blunder short term, but long term they can not ignore what the market is telling them. Jean -- jean2 jean2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33946 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85982 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time for a speculation thread...
On 02/28/2011 08:23 PM, iPhone wrote: > Just my thoughts, but I wonder too if we have seen the last of the > Squeezebox product line. All the money is in video today and the bottom > as fallen out of that market price wise, $59 for a Roku box. Plus, the Logitech entry in that race has not gotten good reviews. Not clear to me that its Logitech's fault, but the product can't be selling. I agree that $59 for a box is death. You have to give Best Buy at least $10, with distribution, etc. the Bill of Materials cost is only going to work at huge volumes. Huge volumes means video and Hulu/Netflix. While I think the Touch is very cool, at $300 retail, its a niche product. I don't think Logitech is interested in niche products. But I don't have any special insight into this. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time for a speculation thread...
This might be a dumb statement/question.. Other then the SB1/SB2, when has ANY Squeezebox been updated? Look at the product line, its all new boxes, the SB2 being basically completely new inside just in the old SB1 box. So I personally don't see any Duet II, Touch II, or TP II coming. The TP SE seems a step backwards to me (basically a way to use boards and cases that were left over without TransNav Knobs). I could see a Receiver type product based on a display-less Touch as having some value as long as one doesn't have to have a Controller to do setup. I would not put the word Duet or Receiver in the name of this possible new product. I really only see two things that are holding any new products back: being forced to have an Internet connection to set the unit up the first time and having to have a display with user input for setup. This is the one area Sonos has the upper hand, but one pays through the nose and must use their proprietary network to achieve this. It would be simple enough to have video out or interface with a networked PC for setup. The Touch Receiver could be setup using the IR remote to see input on a TV or figure it out on a Network PC. Just my thoughts, but I wonder too if we have seen the last of the Squeezebox product line. All the money is in video today and the bottom as fallen out of that market price wise, $59 for a Roku box. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: ModWright Platinum Signature Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Wood Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1, Vandersteen V2W Subwoofer Living Room: Transporter, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Office: Touch with Vandersteen VSM-1s Kitchen: Touch in-wall mount w/ Thiel Powerpoint 1.2s Bedroom: Squeezebox BOOM Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Around the House: SliMP3, SB1, SB2, SB3 Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85982 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB release 7.5.3: Unreliable. Anyone else?
I had the same problem with the update and roll back process. I stumbled across 7.5.4 which seems to be stable, and stopped the update screen. As a side note I also tried 7.6, which seems really cool. I could control the boxes from my netbook, but I also had some scanning and GUI issues, and it may be too early to go that route, for me anyway. Good luck. -- Fahzz Living Room: Duet, Adcom GFA 545II, Adcom GFP 555II, Polk SDA 2B Dining Room: Paradigm Atom Monitor v.5 Bedroom: SB3, Pioneer VSX 5700S,Pinnacle PN 5+, M&K VX-7 Subwoofer Router: Linksys WRT54G Server: Acer Aspire Laptop, Windows XP Home Fahzz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12585 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85474 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB release 7.5.3: Unreliable. Anyone else?
Since I upgraded to 7.5.3 and then de-graded back to 7.5.2 my Boom and Classic lose their network connection nearly every day and I return home from work to find that interminable message on the screen telling me to use the bank button to attempt to reconnect. Hitting the back button does nothing. Nor does hitting the play button. Touching a volume button brings up the main home menu and all is good again. . What is going on with my once nearly reliable set-up? MC -- ModelCitizen Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known Last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85474 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time for a speculation thread...
New product? I can bet you what it won't be reliable, intuitive, well thought out, top quality. I'm with Jim. The product line is finished. Logitech may have sold lots of plastic boxes but they've not developed a product with a future, concentrating instead on sales in the short-term and squandering all the Squeezebox goodness that used to exist. -- ModelCitizen Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known Last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85982 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time for a speculation thread...
jjzolx;614564 Wrote: > my bet is none. We've reached the end of the line. -- goody goody's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22405 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85982 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time for a speculation thread...
My bet is none. We've reached the end of the line. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85982 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time for a speculation thread...
"erland" Wrote: > I'm pretty sure dropping support in the server for everything based on > the IP3K platform isn't an option. My understanding is that "onebrowser" tries to unify the IP3K, web and SP interfaces, so that the server code and plugins are easier to maintain. They'd really be crazy removing support for their older players, IMHO. At least, it shouldn't happen as long as 'Michael still uses its SliMP3' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=485630&postcount=9)... ;) "Mnyb" Wrote: > Touch is very capable just dump the *useless Tiny server* and use the > cpu for other things and that platform can be enhanced for years to > come. What you find useless is indeed useful to a lot of people. Most people I know IRL who bought a Touch weren't looking for its 24/96 audio playback or touch screen capabilities, but especially for its embedded server capability. I've also been told from some beta testers that the embedded server was working really well lately. > But the small and unpredictable audiophile market may not be their > target these days. I'm not confident we'll ever see something like a Transporter 2. But, to be honest, the only things I'll really miss from my Transporter whenever it'll die, given a Touch and a good DAC would probably sound better, is its form factor and second screen (there's nothing like these good old analog VUs on a VFD screen!). -- sebp 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/sebp) sebp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11768 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85982 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time for a speculation thread...
A mix of logical extrapolations and wishes. Boom2 : Basically a Radio with two speakers. Same screen as Radio if they want to keep cost down, or maybe the Touch touch screen if they want market differentiation (most likely not). Make sure audio quality is there to differentiate from the Radio. Classic2 : Basically a Radio without the speaker nor the battery but with both RCA and digital output, in a small package. It still has the buttons and the screen of the Radio so can be used and configured standalone (no controller needed - addresses shortcomings of Receiver). It maxes at 44.1/24 and has a normal quality DAC, to differentiate it from the Touch. With the removal/addition, and because it uses the same volume parts as the Radio, its price should be similar to the price of the Radio, and consequently similar to the price of the Receiver. It replaces both the Receiver and the Classic, and extend in the low end of the market and compete with upcoming products in that space. Touch2 : twice the CPU, twice the memory, twice the audio spec (192 MHz), twice the screen size, twice the USB connectors (for USB audio out). TinySB with web-interface and plug-ins. Move further upmarket. Controller2 : get an unbranded OEM phone from HTC, put Logitech custom firmware on it. That would be probably the most efficient way to move forward with the controller, as dedicated hardware will end up either too expensive or underpowered, and also not as power efficient (volume is key). The loss of the scroll wheel and buttons is the big challenge UI wise, but the Touch shows they may be able to pull it. Transporter2 : License SqueezePlay platform and protocol to one or two established super-high-end audio vendor competing with Linn and Olive. Brand name and funny marketing is the ticket at the high end, and Logitech won't do it. And of course, we should hope for something more revolutionary, but I'm too realistic for that... Jean -- jean2 jean2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33946 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85982 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Playback comes to iPeng
Justme;614522 Wrote: > This sounds really good. One question: Will it sync (over wifi) with my > Boom, SB Radio and SB2? Nothing I love better than audio syncing in > each room of our apartment ;O) > > I'm running SqueezeBox Server via a dedicated Laptop running via Vortex > Box software. Currently not very well. Working on it. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85502 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Playback comes to iPeng
This sounds really good. One question: Will it sync (over wifi) with my Boom, SB Radio and SB2? Nothing I love better than audio syncing in each room of our apartment ;O) I'm running SqueezeBox Server via a dedicated Laptop running via Vortex Box software. -- Justme Justme's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=369 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85502 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announce: Album Catalog Creator v3
>However SBS 7.6 also provides an option to use the MySQL database. Not any more :-( Or rather, there may be support within 7.6 for MySQL, but not officially maintained by Logitech. The settings file can be modified to make it use MySQL, but there's no Advanced setting any more to switch DB engine. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time for a speculation thread...
Replacing all ip3k based machines and make all squeezeplay products have the same capacity for file formats would be logical . Touch is very capable just dump the useless Tiny server and use the cpu for other things and that platform can be enhanced for years to come. But you got to have new products it's good for marketing, we that that owns squeezeboxes realizes how many years they actually provide essential functionality and they get better each year, but it migth be hard to get trough in advertising, so lure the market in with yet another product migth work. Boom also has it's dsp and digital xover so it sound better than radio . You really could rationalize the whole product range to 2 products . Boom 2 (instead of Radio and Boom ) Touch as is with better fw for now until replaced with Touch 2 ,reintroduce the built in server with Touch 2 . With built in amp ? no , amps are built better by others. And there is another promising trend you actually see more and more active speakers that is not so expensive (like the new Audiopro range ). What they could do that would be a paradigm shift to fill the hole after the transporter, would be a complete "home theater preamp" and squeezebox thing in audiphile class with capacity for multi channel music, maybe include revue functionality too. with DSP for room correction etc all in open source + 7.1 analogue outputs hdmi switching. But the small and unpredictable audiophile market may not be their target these days. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD & SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85982 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time for a speculation thread...
Muele;614481 Wrote:
>
> If we look back at the rate of release of new products. The next
> product has always been well under development when a product was
> released.(Edit: at least as far back as I know the history og Squeeze.)
> The Touch was greatly delayed, so the HW developers has had lots of time
> finishing their part of the new product(s). I haven't really been
> following beta lately, so I have no idea what big issues could keep the
> new product(s) from appearing (if software is the reason for them not to
> have been released yet).
>
Logitech has done at least two reorganizations during the development
of Radio and Touch which affected the Squeezebox resources so this
might have slowed down the product development a bit. They might also
have used some of the hardware engineers for the Revue development
which occurred during the same time and probably needs similar skills.
Muele;614481 Wrote:
>
> I agree with those that think The Boom is next in line to be replaced.
> However, then what about the work being done on "Onebrowser"? wouldn't
> that generally be wasted? Sorry if I overlook something important in
> Onebrowser. As mentioned I haven't been following beta since 7.5.0 or
> 7.5.1
>
"onebrowser" would still be important unless they plan to drop support
for old products. Since the same mysqueezebox.com is used for both old
and new products, I'm pretty sure dropping support in the server for
everything based on the IP3K platform isn't an option.
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Re: [slim] Logitech Squeezebox Touch How to open the case????
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Re: [slim] Time for a speculation thread...
I think they should put their money on UPNP/DNLA support on the serverside. And make the Touch support network-drives, with just the DB stored on usb/memorycard. Regarding new models, there must be something coming up pretty soon or there never will IMHO. If we look back at the rate of release of new products. The next product has always been well under development when a product was released.(Edit: at least as far back as I know the history og Squeeze.) The Touch was greatly delayed, so the HW developers has had lots of time finishing their part of the new product(s). I haven't really been following beta lately, so I have no idea what big issues could keep the new product(s) from appearing (if software is the reason for them not to have been released yet). I agree with those that think The Boom is next in line to be replaced. However, then what about the work being done on "Onebrowser"? wouldn't that generally be wasted? Sorry if I overlook something important in Onebrowser. As mentioned I haven't been following beta since 7.5.0 or 7.5.1 I personally would like to see a touch with amplifier capabilities and OEM licensing. -- Muele BR Mogens 2 Radios (1 battery), 2 Controllers, 2 Receivers, 1 Squeezeplay. Served by an old 800 mhz IBM T21 Thinkpad (Yes I know most phones have more cpu-power these days, but it gets the job done). Muele's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21310 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85982 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time for a speculation thread...
FredFredrickson;614449 Wrote:
> What's the next big squeezebox going to be?
>
Some thoughts follows below:
RECEIVER 2:
- Based on SqueezeOS, basically a Touch without the screen.
- One issue is that it needs faster CPU and more memory to be usable as
a SBS replacement with its built-in server.
- Another issue is that Logitech probably learned some lessons from the
Reciever which didn't have a screen and caused a support headache.
- Based on this I'm not sure this is a very probable product, it's
probably better for them to make a Touch 2 but it feels a bit early for
that.
TOUCH 2:
- A Touch with faster CPU, more memory and a 1 inch larger screen.
- The Touch get a lot of complaints for its built-in server which could
result in a Touch 2 but since users have the workaround to run SBS on a
PC I'm not sure it's a priority.
- The Touch also gets a some complaints for it's text visibility from a
distance but I don't think it's enough to result in a Touch 2 this soon
after the Touch release.
BOOM 2:
- A Boom based on SqueezeOS with a color display, possibly with a touch
display and possibly with a battery option.
- Makes sense to get rid of IP3K architecture, the question is just if
it provides enough advantages compared to the Radio which is already
available. The main difference would probably be stereo vs mono and I'm
not sure it's enough considering the fact that it will probably be in
the same price range as the Touch.
PICTURE FRAME:
- A display only device which is fairly cheap and can be used as a
large display to view what's playing from a distance. With the right
price this could be a huge success, an open source picture frame would
be possible to use for a lot of other things than just displaying
what's currently playing.
CONTROLLER 2:
- A Controller with a Touch screen.
- This doesn't make any sense at all to me, there is no way Logitech
can provide anything close to the Android/iPhone/iPad based hardware.
It's a lot better for them to focus on including the current third
party offerings in their marketing strategy.
HARMONY CONTROLLER:
- A harmony remote with two way Squeezebox communication, basically a
Harmony remote with hard buttons but also with integrated Controller
functionality.
- I believe this could be a potential success, it would also be a way
to both get the Harmony technology into Squeezebox owners home and get
the Squeezebox devices into Harmony owners home.
- Even if some new devices can be controlled over IP, the IR interface
is still going to exist for a long time.
REVUE 2:
- A Logitech Revue with Squeezebox support. This would also be a great
way to extend the Squeezebox family, the question is just if the Revue
has been successful enough to continue building future products on.
It's obvious that it provides great functionality but it's also obvious
that it's still a bit too geeky for the mass market.
- I'm not sure this requires new hardware, it might be possible with a
software update of the existing Revue.
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Re: [slim] Logitech Squeezebox Touch How to open the case????
Sorry, I haven't done it myself (yet). Here is another thread that you may try to translate: 'how to open up the squeezebox touch?' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78244) And here is an external page with pictures: 'Opened up the Squeezebox Touch' (http://diyparadise.com/blogs/2010/05/08/opened-up-the-squeezebox-touch/) -- Soulkeeper -that is not dead which can eternal lie. and with strange aeons even death may die.- touch + duet + boom + radio / wrt160n/dd-wrt / sbs 7.5.1 or higher/win7(32b)/avira free Soulkeeper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35297 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85980 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time for a speculation thread...
It would make sense to work on replacements for the ip3k based products. I do not see the point of sticking a touchscreen in the box; the screen shoukd really be at hand. But with the abundance of 3 party apps that we have, why should Logitech use time on making a new controller. They can't make it better nor cheaper than a smartphont Look at the Sonos camp, how they have to wait for the apps to appear for the different platforms. I think that Logitech should keep their focus on the infrastructure; SBS, hardware and firmware -- slate Main: Duet (Audiocom) -> Beresford Caiman -> Carver A-500x -> B&W 704 Office: Duet -> Technics SU-V50 -> Stax SR84 Pro Server: Zotac IONITX-A, 4 GB, 1 TB WD EADS, Win7 w. 7.6 (SQLite w. High Mem) Tied together by D-Link DIR-655 + DGS-1008D slate's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30502 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85982 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech Squeezebox Touch How to open the case????
I translate the translator but badly I understand ( sergei moscow -- kuly-s kuly-s's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44507 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85980 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Support for Moodagent
I think Moodagent would be a nice new feature for Squeezebox http://www.moodagent.com/ I've made a feature request here... http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17003 -- verypsb 1x Boom, 1x Classic, 1x Duet, 1x Receiver, 1x Touch Please vote for bug 16791 (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16791) verypsb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17295 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85983 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time for a speculation thread...
autopilot;614452 Wrote: > As for a touchscreen remote - Not sure about that. With the ubiquity of > smart phones i think it would be better to concentrate on the player > itself. > I agree. It would be nice if Logitech could provide the iPhone app for free, like Sonos does. But that would mean Logitech would taking over things like iPeng. That probably wouldn't be good. -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 4 Booms, 1 Duet, 1 Receiver, 1 Touch, iPeng on iPod Touch. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeBoxServer 7.5.0, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 33,696 songs, 2,720 albums, 499 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85982 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time for a speculation thread...
A touchscreen Boom would be interesting. If not touchscreen, at least a color screen. I think the Boom is the next logical device to get updated. I'd like to see the buttons and knob remain and the screen updated to color. I like the knob on the Boom. I think it's easier to use than swipes on a touch screen. -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 4 Booms, 1 Duet, 1 Receiver, 1 Touch, iPeng on iPod Touch. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeBoxServer 7.5.0, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 33,696 songs, 2,720 albums, 499 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85982 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Playback comes to iPeng
Jeff Flowerday;614450 Wrote: > If I bought playback for my iPhone, is it then free on my iTouch? If it's the same App (iPeng for iPhone) and the same iTunes account: yes. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85502 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time for a speculation thread...
I would buy... A Touch 2, with more memory, faster processor and improved USB implementation, which can run it's embedded SBS really stably (i have very few problems, but it appears many do in certain circumstances). A Boom/Touch hybrid would be great too. As for a touchscreen remote - Not sure about that. With the ubiquity of smart phones i think it would be better to concentrate on the player itself. Would a move to Android be a good thing? -- autopilot Cheers, auto. *lounge:* squeezebox 3, squeezebox controller, cambridge audio 640a, mission 701's *kitchen:* squeezebox touch, trends ta-10.1, kef cresta 1's. *bedroom:* squeezebox boom *bathroom/garden:* squeezebox radio *car:* ipod classic 80gb *portable:* iphone 3gs 32gb (+ipeng) autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85982 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time for a speculation thread...
"Duet 2" Controller 2 . because the current one is way behind the smartphone apps, to slow etc to small display etc, ( or simply endorse one of the current apps and bundle players with an iPod Touch ) Reciever 2 . Support for more formats on the device, this would make spotify work on it and also fit the goal to make sbs run on smaller servers (like the Touch) by getting rid off as much transcoding as possible , will have 24/96 . (In my dreams a decent setup facility ) . This would not differ much from Touch in price but the Recievers form-factor size and stow away capacity is very wanted by many . -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD & SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85982 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Playback comes to iPeng
If I bought playback for my iPhone, is it then free on my iTouch? -- Jeff Flowerday Jeff Flowerday's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85502 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Time for a speculation thread...
What's the next big squeezebox going to be? My guess is a touchscreen boom, or a touchscreen remote. The touch with a battery, and no audio capabilities. Ideas? I don't want this thread to degrade into pointless logitech killing the franchise arguments. Just ideas about the next squeezebox. -- FredFredrickson Get your news and stock updates right here: 'Squeezebox Updates' (http://sb.cnhpa.com)! FredFredrickson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16584 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85982 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] HowTo Use LastFM for free with SlimControl and other Developement Ideas for plugin
pippin;614435 Wrote: > It would have to be a free plugin since using the Last.fm API for > commercial application violates their license. I think special for the remotes what in general are commercial it is no problem to give a (Interface - Schnittstelle) for free developed Plugins. At the moment SlimControl is not billed. Users can take and use it for free. Just need to register. Its just Closed Source. In this point special for SlimControl i do not see any violation. But with a Plugin interface inside other commercial products also i do not see a problem of violation. Still exist a SqueezeScrobblers group inside LastFM for a Plugin inside Squeezeboxserver that makes it possible for users outside Germany, USA and UK to use LastFM in any country. -- arztde arztde's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29528 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85979 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Seeking High Bitrate Music Streaming Service
I think the WAV plugin works only on a PC, but I'm not sure. Here is a thread that talks about the plugin. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80867&highlight=mog Here is a Wiki that has lots of info on the plugin. http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/WaveInput_plugin -- jeffwdc jeffwdc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38983 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85518 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB release 7.5.3: Unreliable. Anyone else?
+1 And note that it's not done deliberately to annoy you. Firmware upgrades and server software upgrades go together, although not strictly one-for-one because some SBS upgrades don't require upgrading firmware and vice-versa. But 7.5.3 required a firmware upgrade, and mysb.com will always be running the latest official release of SBS. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85474 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] HowTo Use LastFM for free with SlimControl and other Developement Ideas for plugin
It would have to be a free plugin since using the Last.fm API for commercial application violates their license. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85979 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 24-bit audio (new article)
Soulkeeper;614428 Wrote: > That will enable their *users* (...) You mean iDiophiles? ;) -- sebp 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/sebp) sebp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11768 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85879 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 24-bit audio (new article)
By inventing a brand new number called iTune iNdex, which is sample rate in kHz multiplied by bit depth. That will enable their users to appreciate the enormous quality improvement from 16/44.1 (iNdex 705.6, or i*700* for simplicity's sake), to 24/48 (iNdex 1152, or i*1200* for simplicity's sake), to 24/96 (iNdex 2304, or i*2300* for simplicity's sake), to 24/192 (iNdex 4608, or i*4600* for simplicity's sake), all expressed in one single, beuatifully simple, delicious iNumber. (Yes I know, the question was intended rhetorically, and I also know that if someone from Apple reads this, I should get ready to sue them for stealing my idea, but I probably can't afford going to court against them anyway.) -- Soulkeeper -that is not dead which can eternal lie. and with strange aeons even death may die.- touch + duet + boom + radio / wrt160n/dd-wrt / sbs 7.5.1 or higher/win7(32b)/avira free Soulkeeper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35297 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85879 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech Squeezebox Touch How to open the case????
Forum thread: 'how to open up the squeezebox touch?' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78244) -- Soulkeeper -that is not dead which can eternal lie. and with strange aeons even death may die.- touch + duet + boom + radio / wrt160n/dd-wrt / sbs 7.5.1 or higher/win7(32b)/avira free Soulkeeper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35297 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85980 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] How to disassemble?Logitech Squeezebox Touch
Logitech Squeezebox Touch I need to disassemble the case help!!! . How it to make without having damaged??? -- kuly-s kuly-s's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44507 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85980 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] HowTo Use LastFM for free with SlimControl and other Developement Ideas for plugin
Arround one year ago i did have a communication with a developer from LastFM stuff. It was a discussion about some Ideas to use LastFM with the Xtreamer and to have an own Internet TV Musik station similar like MTV but specialized to look videos from your favourite scrobbelt music. He did write me: "Thanks. I havent tried out Xtreamer, but it looks nice. Ive officially stopped working on my project a couple of years ago, but you can find plenty of articles about it online. Over the years Ive had a couple of requests for integrations with other platforms, so I created an API. Documentation is pretty sparse, but it should be enough to get you started." Youtube + Last.fm API http://api.tv.timbormans.com/ I looked arround and i think its a good idea to focus developers a little bit to this API. In general it seems to me not to much difficult to extract code because for example Locuth (SlimControl developer) use similar methods for the integration of the Lyrics inside the WinMobile remote for Squeezebox. In general i think it should not to much difficult to adapt this API for different use and make it possible to have a free acces to LastFM. -- arztde arztde's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29528 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85979 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 24-bit audio (new article)
Apple needs to find ways to get their customers to: a. buy more music b. re-buy their same music c. update their hardware what better way to accomplish this than to offer higher bit rate and lossless music. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85879 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB release 7.5.3: Unreliable. Anyone else?
wonder boy;614390 Wrote: > I rolled back to 7.5.2 yesterday but of course when I connect my boom to > mysb.com it updates the firmware but when I connect back to sbs it > changes the firmware back again. > > Annoying!! This is because when you connect to mysb.com it updates to latest firmware. Just leave your computer running SbS on 24/7 and you'll be fine. No need to ever connect to mysb.com. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85474 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB release 7.5.3: Unreliable. Anyone else?
I rolled back to 7.5.2 yesterday but of course when I connect my boom to mysb.com it updates the firmware but when I connect back to sbs it changes the firmware back again. Annoying!! -- wonder boy Squeezebox ex-fan boy and proud... 2x Boom 1x SB3 Just ordered SB Radio...do I need help I WISHED I HADNT!!! wonder boy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15950 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85474 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
