Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?

2012-12-17 Thread erland

eschurr wrote: 
> my main concern is:  who will support LMS?  lately my LMS scans aren't
> picking up iTunes playlists, and it may be because of iTunes 11.  Who's
> going to keep LMS alive and well?
> 
My crystal ball tells me that the following will happen (sometime in the
not too distant future):
1. Some critical problem occurs that makes LMS more or less useless for
a lot of users
2. One of the following will happen:
- Logitech steps up and shows that they really meant what they said when
they said they are still supporting Squeezebox users, fixes the problem
and makes us all happy.
or
- Someone in the community creates a community version of LMS and fixes
the problem. 
or
- Another company provides a solution with similar functionality as
Squeezeboxes and we all switch to that. 

Personally, I feel that the last alternative is most likely on longer
terms, but I'm not convinced it will come from Sonos as some people
seems to think. It's important to realize that to get the Squeezebox
experience, you really need a solution where many different parties can
contribute, if it's a closed solution 100% handled and controlled by a
single company like Sonos and similar, their business strategy is going
to ensure that features which aren't important to 80% of the users will
be dropped. With a more open solution, you create an opportunity for
smaller companies or individual developers to contribute to your
platform and provide the bells and whistles which you don't want to
spend resources on providing yourself. The solution doesn't have to be
open source or free for this to occur, but it does have to be open to
third parties to enhance the platform with new features. Just think
about what iPhone/iPad would be without any third party apps, what
LMS/Squeezebox would be without any third party applets/plugins or third
party contributed code. Many core features in LMS was initially started
as work by third party developers which Slim Devices later decided to
include in the core product.

eschurr wrote: 
> 
> i'm heartbroken over the news about Logitech not supporting the SB
> anymore (i can't find anything official about that on their website).
> 
I think this is the official information that exists:
http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Squeezebox-Players/Logitech-UE-Smart-Radio/td-p/884530
http://blog.logitech.com/2012/09/28/an-open-letter-to-squeezebox-fans/

Both indicate that Logitech plans to continue supporting Squeezebox
users for the foreseeable future, there is no official indication that
they are planning to stop supporting Squeezeboxes. However, I think we
all realize that Logitech is into this to earn money, so since they
aren't selling anymore Squeezeboxes they will probably try to spend as
little resources as possible to fix bugs specific to the Squeezebox
unless it's really critical bugs. We might get some bug corrections for
free since the UE Music Library server in many places is the same
software as Logitech Media Server, but in most cases I suspect LMS is
only going to get the critical bug fixes. The bugs that are going to be
considered to be critical is probably those that will cause most head
aches for the official Logitech support team, so if we report and
complain to them through the official support channels when things
doesn't work, it likely increase the chance of them spending resources
on fixing it.



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Re: [slim] ANN: Orange Squeeze 1.3.0 released!

2012-12-17 Thread pippin

jimbobvfr400 wrote: 
> Pippin don't know if you've seen the stop service option if you press
> the little drop down triangle thingy. Should do the trick I think.
> 
No, I've not seen that, but it's also not really what I want. I don't
_want_ to have to go to the App and stop the player manually when I stop
playing. That's too much effort, especially since even the lock screen
widget seems to wake it up, I would have to go into the App every time I
somehow activated the lock screen widget, that can't be.
> 
> > bluegaspode wrote: 
> > What do you mean by 'keeps running'? 
> > 
> > You see the symbol in the action bar longer than 15 min? 
> > > > 
> I see it in iPeng on my iPad and can control it. It's running.
> > > > 
> > What happens if you force quit OrangeSqueeze via the App settings? Does
> > the symbol disappear after the next 15min?> > 
> 
> I'll give it a try. Would that mean I have to uninstall the widgets
> first?



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Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Music-Playback now on ANDROID! SqueezePlayer released to the market ...

2012-12-17 Thread pippin

bluegaspode wrote: 
> It depends. 
> The server can act as a proxy and buffers Radio streams at least when
> you start syncing devices (as they all need the same offset). 
> 
Even a Squeezebox Touch which is _not_ a server does that in a synced
group (when used with MySB).
> 
> Unsynced there is an option for each player under the audio settings.
> 'mp3 streaming method' which can be set to direct or proxied streaming.
Are you sure that helps with unsynced players, too?



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Re: [slim] ANN: Orange Squeeze 1.3.0 released!

2012-12-17 Thread pippin

Update: Killing OrangeSqueeze has helped and at least after killing it
also the player did not automatically restart when looking at the
lock-screen widget (it's never been my selected player there)



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[slim] Get up to 30 music downloads with the purchase of select Logitech UE products

2012-12-17 Thread chipmalee

This may be a moot point but I haven't got any time to listen to my
music library after getting a SqueezeRadio but here it is anyways...

http://www.logitech.com/en-us/promotions/10627?WT.mc_id=amr_us_lue_email_122012_eventful_email

Hundreds of popular artists. Thousands of your favorite songs. All
available from the vast music vaults of EMI Music.

Now through December 31st, 2012 receive 10 to 30 download credits from
the EMI Music Store with the purchase of select Logitech UE products.

# Buy a qualifying Logitech UE audio product from www.logitechue.com –
and you’ll also receive free shipping* on your order.
# Based on the product, once your order is processed we’ll send you an
email with a special redemption code good for free music downloads from
EMI Music. In most cases one credit allows for one song download**
# Visit www.emimusicpromo.com/UE, enter in your unique redemption code,
and start choosing the songs you wish to add to your music library.



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Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?

2012-12-17 Thread menno

Mnyb wrote: 
> 
> 
> It may not be completely trivial to make it run on any linux box in the
> dockstar case it migth actually be the cpu that is the problem ? don't
> know if mip server runs on anything but x86 .

Ah yes, good point. It was a while ago that I looked into this, and that
was actually the problem. My Dockstar uses a Marvel ARM cpu, so the
problem was the MIP server cant run on that.



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Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?

2012-12-17 Thread nekomatic

I keep meaning to write to Rogue Amoeba and suggest that they consider
developing their 'Airfoil' (http://www.rogueamoeba.com/airfoil/) product
into a music player system that could serve as a Squeezebox replacement
- they've got the streaming-audio-over-the-network bit, how hard would
it be to integrate that with a headless music player capable of playing
different streams to different destinations plus a remote control app
for iOS and Android? (he asked rhetorically). Normal people can use any
Airplay hardware and geeky types can use anything that can run
Shairplay.

They'd want to charge some money for it, but I'd certainly be prepared
to pay if it was done right.

Are there any developers reading this who can imagine any mileage in
this idea?



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Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?

2012-12-17 Thread pippin

Airfoil is just a hacked version of AirPlay. Can't make a "system" out
of that.



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Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Music-Playback now on ANDROID! SqueezePlayer released to the market ...

2012-12-17 Thread TheLastMan

A (very) minor irritation for me is that Squeeze Player will start up
randomly for no obvious reason. Usually I am away from home so not using
any of the three SqueezeBox controller apps I have installed, or any
other music apps (Last.fm, Poweramp, Spotify) yet Squeeze Player will
start up and sit there for a while in the notification bar before
terminating itself.

Any idea what might be causing this?



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Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?

2012-12-17 Thread PasTim

I am hoping that by running LMS on a dedicated Linux box that I don't
need to update in any way, I can keep LMS running for a long time.

My music streaming pre-amp (a Musical Fidelity M1CLic) supports UPnP. 
However, having spent some time adding extra tags to my music (mainly
Work, Movement and the Id of the original CD/LP) many of the standard
UPnP systems can't provide what I need for classical music.  However, it
will come as little surprise to many that foobar2000, even running under
wine on Linux, can support non-standard tags and include menu entries
for them.  I haven't done much with this other than to prove it can be
made to work.   So I have a way out if I need it.  I'm hoping I don't.



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Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?

2012-12-17 Thread Julf

erland wrote: 
> My crystal ball tells me that the following will happen (sometime in the
> not too distant future):
> 1. Some critical problem occurs that makes LMS more or less useless for
> a lot of users
> 2. One of the following will happen:
> - Logitech steps up and shows that they really meant what they said when
> they said they are still supporting Squeezebox users, fixes the problem
> and makes us all happy.
> or
> - Someone in the community creates a community version of LMS and fixes
> the problem. 
> or
> - Another company provides a solution with similar functionality as
> Squeezeboxes and we all switch to that. 
> 
> Personally, I feel that the last alternative is most likely on longer
> terms

I think the community alternative is just as likely - either as a
fork/development of the current code base, or as a complete rewrite. The
actual code is not really the problem (especially if using a real
programming language :) ), the hard part is figuring out the protocol,
and we already have that.



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Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?

2012-12-17 Thread Julf

Steven Moore wrote: 
> Moved to Apple TV a while back and don't regret it.

I am glad that solution works for you, but the reason most of us are
still part of this forum and community instead of hanging out in the
Apple fanboy groups is that we either prefer the superior functionality
the SB system gives us, or that we resent the gilded iCage apple forces
you into, or both.



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Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?

2012-12-17 Thread PasTim

Julf wrote: 
> ...we either prefer the superior functionality the SB system gives us,
> or that we resent the gilded iCage apple forces you into, or both.
Both :-)

To give you an example there is no way on this earth I am going to give
Apple my credit card number just for the privilege of browsing their
iTunes store, from which I might subsequently borrow music, for a fee,
but never own it.



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Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?

2012-12-17 Thread pippin

PasTim wrote: 
> Both :-)
> from which I might subsequently borrow music, for a fee, but never own
> it.

Um, why is that?
Apple were actually the driving force behind removing DRM from
downloaded music so if anybody helped you to actually "own" downloaded
Music, it's them. They enforced it on the record companies.



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Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?

2012-12-17 Thread PasTim

pippin wrote: 
> Um, why is that?
> Apple were actually the driving force behind removing DRM from
> downloaded music so if anybody helped you to actually "own" downloaded
> Music, it's them. They forced it on the record companies.
There are those, the RIAA for instance, who appear to claim we never
'own' any downloaded music, or even a CD (I have heard it said that a
some regard software in the same way).

I'm not going to let that worry me too much, and I'm not iBlaming iApple
for iThat, and shouldn't really have mentioned it.  I was just sounding
off



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Re: [slim] ANN: Orange Squeeze 1.3.0 released!

2012-12-17 Thread db122

pippin wrote: 
> Update: Killing OrangeSqueeze has helped and at least after killing it
> also the player did not automatically restart when looking at the
> lock-screen widget (it's never been my selected player there)

So for 1.3.x, I would expect that Orange Squeeze would keep the local
SqueezePlayer active for as long as Orange Squeeze has a connection to
the server. This means that if you are using widgets, any time your
screen is on your device will maintain a connection to your server and
also keep your local SqueezePlayer running. If you turn your screen off
or it times out and turns off automatically, Orange Squeeze will time
its server connection out to save power, and it will also cease to keep
SqueezePlayer alive. SqueezePlayer can then time out according to its
own policies then.

As discussed earlier, killing Orange Squeeze (e.g. its services) will
cause this behavior to stop -- at least temporarily. However, because
the Orange Squeeze power management service is sticky, it may be
restarted by the system automatically. The reason for this is that if
your device is under load or memory constraints, then even the services
that you want running may be killed by the system. This is a good thing,
because it lets you play games or do things that consume all of the
device resources and then sticky services will be restarted at the first
opportunity so that your widgets and such will start working again
automatically. While the power management service will be restarted
automatically, I want to reiterate that this service is very lightweight
and is nothing like a server connection at all.

Note that for 1.3.x, every time a connection is established, the local
SqueezePlayer instance will also be started if that is enabled in the
Orange Squeeze preferences. Right now this happens for every reconnect,
including reconnects for the lock screen widget, etc. I'll have to think
about how to improve this behavior, because it probably isn't necessary
in a few limited scenarios (widgets active for different players).
However, when the user opens up the UI again we would want the player
started up automatically, I suppose.



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Re: [slim] ANN: Orange Squeeze 1.3.0 released!

2012-12-17 Thread pippin

Yes. Actually all of what you write would be the behavior I would expect
and want.
Unfortunately, it's not what I've been seeing recently when I had
SqueezePlayer running all night even though I didn't touch my Nexus and
it was not connected to external power.
It doesn't happen all of the time (around 1 out of 3 times I open
OrangeSqueeze, I would say), but often enough to be my primary source of
power drain on my Nexus.

I don't know whether this is caused by OS or SP, can I do anything to
help diagnose.

Oh, and I did enable that option to start SP with OS.



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[slim] What can I do now? Squeezebox classic died

2012-12-17 Thread BeerCan

Hi all
My SB classic just died.  Not sure what happened but it is not powering
up.

I was wondering if I could get some suggestions.  The system where this
died is near an htpc.  Is there a way to go coax out on the pc to my amp
and still use LMS?  I want to keep LMS because I have a boom and a duet
connecting to it.  Are there any new players around that don't cost an
arm and a leg?  I only need digital out.

Thanks.



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Re: [slim] [Announce] iPeng UE, the iOS App for the Smart Radio

2012-12-17 Thread pippin

There's a small update of iPeng UE now available on the App Store
(1.0.1)
It fixes some issues with player and server handling (you can correctly
select a Radio even if you have more than one and inactive servers go
away)
And the "Search" menus are now also available on iPhone.



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Re: [slim] ANN: Orange Squeeze 1.3.0 released!

2012-12-17 Thread db122

pippin wrote: 
> Yes. Actually all of what you write would be the behavior I would expect
> and want.
OK, good, thanks Pippin. I'm going to release a new preview sometime
today, and I will add a bit of temporary logging to it that won't
require you to enable 'verbose logging' to see. I'm hoping it will tell
us which of the following is happening:

1) OS is not shutting itself down properly and keeping the connection
active (unlikely, since the network connection would show a significant
power draw in your situation).
2) OS is shutting itself down, but still somehow sending pings to
SqueezePlayer even though the rest of the service is shut down (I've
audited this section of code and don't see it myself, but I can't rule
it out 100%)
3) SqueezePlayer is keeping itself active through some other mechanism

Once you get the update, just use your device as normal and use the
submit logs to send a log to me when you wake up and notice that
SqueezePlayer stayed awake too long. We will hope that the log data
won't roll over -- there is a limit to how much Android keeps.



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Re: [slim] What can I do now? Squeezebox classic died

2012-12-17 Thread bpa

Does the optical connection light up ?
If not check PSU ?
If it does then try removing the wifi card as a faulty wifi card will
prevent a SB classic from booting.



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Re: [slim] ANN: Orange Squeeze 1.3.0 released!

2012-12-17 Thread pippin

Well, there certainly still _is_ a connection (after all, at least SP
communicates with the server) and OS/WiFi are (a distant) #2 and #4 in
the "battery drain" list at 13% and 8%.

I'll send the logs when it happens again.



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Re: [slim] What can I do now? Squeezebox classic died

2012-12-17 Thread BeerCan

bpa wrote: 
> Does the optical connection light up ?
> If not check PSU ?
> If it does then try removing the wifi card as a faulty wifi card will
> prevent a SB classic from booting.

Thanks bpa

I tried a couple of different psu and none of them worked.  Also I
removed the wifi from this unit years ago.  Man, I wish these were still
around.



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Re: [slim] What can I do now? Squeezebox classic died

2012-12-17 Thread azinck3

BeerCan wrote: 
> Thanks bpa
> 
> I tried a couple of different psu and none of them worked.  Also I
> removed the wifi from this unit years ago.  Man, I wish these were still
> around.

You can still get them used on eBay.

If you want to turn your HTPC into a Squeezebox install Squeezeplay.



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Re: [slim] What can I do now? Squeezebox classic died

2012-12-17 Thread BeerCan

Allright.  The player is getting power.  The network connection light on
the switch illuminates when I plug it in.  So it is like this thing is
not booting.  I tried to do a factory reset but nothing happened.  (hold
the + key when plugging in)



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Re: [slim] ANN: Orange Squeeze 1.3.0 released!

2012-12-17 Thread db122

pippin wrote: 
> Well, there certainly still _is_ a connection (after all, at least SP
> communicates with the server) and OS/WiFi are (a distant) #2 and #4 in
> the "battery drain" list at 13% and 8%.
> 
> I'll send the logs when it happens again.

Thanks.

My guess is that there's only a connection for SP, separate from OS. If
I remember correctly, when I fixed the bug that was leaving the
connection up for much longer, OS was taking ~60% of the power drain for
your situation, so based on those numbers I'm assuming that the OS
connection was dropped correctly. The logs should contain enough
information to confirm this.



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Re: [slim] ANN: Orange Squeeze 1.3.0 released!

2012-12-17 Thread pippin

Sorry, I mixed "OS" up with "Operating System". No OrangeSqueeze is not
even on the top-list of power consumers, even Google Maps is more
prominent although that App has done nothing but crashing on startup
since I installed the update
So your connection is probably down, indeed.



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Re: [slim] iPeng, your iPhone Squeezebox Remote, gets even better with version 2.0!

2012-12-17 Thread CharlieG

CharlieG wrote: 
> Is it only suppose to work at upper level album view?
> If I select Albums>I get the scalable option.
> If I select New Music>I get the scalable option.
> If I select Artist>The Avett Brothers(or any artist, or All Albums)>the
> album art is not scalable.

pippin wrote: 
> Oh wow, you are right. Looks like I forgot to enable it for lower level
> views. Sorry for that, will get fixed in the next update.
> Stupid little error, wonder why nobody noticed it in the beta test.
> 
> But to be honest, most of the testing was on the UE branch of iPeng and
> there it's always been enabled so I probably mixed this up.

Hey you fixed it! Thanks:)



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[slim] heard on the grapevine: replacement for Squeezebox Touch

2012-12-17 Thread khewa

not sure if this is true, but there is talk that there is a replacement
coming up for the Squeezebox Touch, called the Touch Advance.   Anyone
heard about this ?



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Re: [slim] heard on the grapevine: replacement for Squeezebox Touch

2012-12-17 Thread erland

khewa wrote: 
> not sure if this is true, but there is talk that there is a replacement
> coming up for the Squeezebox Touch, called the Touch Advance.   Anyone
> heard about this ?
> 
If you want to spread rumors, at least post links to where you have seen
them posted.



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[slim] Pandora Streaming problems

2012-12-17 Thread MTU

Since the weekend I have been having issues keeping Pandora streaming on
my squeezeboxen. After about an hour I receive the message the system
cannot receive the info for the next track and all my devices either
display "PANDORA_"  or go into standby.
As a test I opened Pandora on my tablet and it ran flawlessly for ~four
hours.  
I have not knowingly upgraded/changed any system settings.  I have
tried cycling the power on my cable modem and router and rebooting LMS;
no change.
System specs:
SB Touch
Three SB Booms
Windows 7 on Intel i7
LMS 7.7.2 -r33893 (installed 3/14/12)
D-Link DIR-655 ROUTER

Any thoughts? Thanks!

Mike U.



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Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?

2012-12-17 Thread erland

Julf wrote: 
> I think the community alternative is just as likely - either as a
> fork/development of the current code base, or as a complete rewrite. The
> actual code is not really the problem (especially if using a real
> programming language :) ), the hard part is figuring out the protocol,
> and we already have that.
> 
PM or mail me if you are interested in contributing to something like
this as a developer.



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