Re: [slim] Squeezebox 2015 - Is the Squeezebox Universe Expanding of Shrinking?
Lem wrote: > The bulk of LMS is open source is it not (from the old Slim Devices > days)?, and still being developed upon by users of this very forum.. I > don't see why it would be such an issue if you were to bundle LMS into a > streamer. For a DIY'er it is not a big deal. For a company it is a very big deal because the future is unsure and there is not guaranteed support. Bringing a product to market is very time consuming and expensive. That's why no commercial company will ever build a product based upon LMS. 'M-DAC' (http://www.audiolab.co.uk/M-DAC%20Series.aspx?lang=En) -> 'Cambridge Audio Azur 840E' (http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/products/azur-840e-pre-amplifier) -> 'Focal MP1200' (http://www.mp1200.co.nf/) -> 'Focal Electra 1028 Be' (http://www.focal.com/en/electra-1000-be-2/209-electra-1028-be-3544053695099.html) 1 x SB3, 1 x SB Boom, 1 x SB Radio and 2 x SB Touch - all wireless 1 x Wandboard Dual behind the bedroom ceiling 1 x Wandboard Dual for 'msqueeze' (http://www.msqueeze.co.nf/index.html) project 1 x Wandboard Quad (will eventually become my LMS server) ReadyNAS NVX running LMS 7.8.1. - 1402661598 iPeng 7 on iPhone. SqueezePad & iPeng 7 on iPad. http://www.last.fm/user/phibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102809 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox 2015 - Is the Squeezebox Universe Expanding of Shrinking?
For a DIY'er it is not a big deal. For a company it is a very big deal because the future is unsure and there is not guaranteed support. It's unsure, unless they decide not only to take advantage of the free software provided by some guys out there, but to contribute to it, helping to keep it alive. Bringing a product to market is very time consuming and expensive. That's why no commercial company will ever build a product based upon LMS. There are such products. None I'd know of hugely popular or successful in the mass market. But there are (mostly expensive) commercial products based on LMS with thousands of installations. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox 2015 - Is the Squeezebox Universe Expanding of Shrinking?
For Bryston, installing Squeezelite, which they didn't pay a penny to develop, on the BDP-2, with its bog-standard motherboard running Linux, is a pretty low risk proposition. They didn't develop the system to be a Squeezebox emulator; it's an afterthought. It may generate a few additional support calls from their clientele, but they're charging $3000 for the thing, which doesn't even contain a DAC, so they can afford the support. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102809 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox 2015 - Is the Squeezebox Universe Expanding of Shrinking?
JJZolx wrote: > For Bryston, installing Squeezelite, which they didn't pay a penny to > develop, on the BDP-2, with its bog-standard motherboard running Linux, > is a pretty low risk proposition. Wow, so the BDP-2 is simply a Squeezelite player on a sort of Raspberry card in an elegant case?!? Not bad. LMS 7.9.0 on Wandboard (SoA) Synology DS-410j NAS Squeezebox Touch, Squeezebox Boom, Squeezebox Radio, HifiBerry PicorePlayer Schiit - BIFROST Dac Spotify Premium iPhone: iPeng - iPad: Squeezepad, iPengHD Squeezemenicely's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41812 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102809 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox 2015 - Is the Squeezebox Universe Expanding of Shrinking?
Squeezemenicely wrote: > Wow, so the BDP-2 is simply a Squeezelite player on a sort of Raspberry > card in an elegant case?!? Not bad. Not really a player. It has only digital outputs, so requires a DAC. For just $3000 you can't have -everything-. :rolleyes: JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102809 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox 2015 - Is the Squeezebox Universe Expanding of Shrinking?
JJZolx wrote: > For Bryston, installing Squeezelite, which they didn't pay a penny to > develop, on the BDP-2, with its bog-standard motherboard running Linux, > is a pretty low risk proposition. They didn't develop the system to be a > Squeezebox emulator; it's an afterthought. It may generate a few > additional support calls from their clientele, but they're charging > $3000 for the thing, which doesn't even contain a DAC, so they can > afford the support. True they didn't pay for the development of Squeezelite. But they sure paid a lot for bringing it to market. Design, production and certification of a product is very expensive, hence the huge price tag of the Bryston device. 'M-DAC' (http://www.audiolab.co.uk/M-DAC%20Series.aspx?lang=En) -> 'Cambridge Audio Azur 840E' (http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/products/azur-840e-pre-amplifier) -> 'Focal MP1200' (http://www.mp1200.co.nf/) -> 'Focal Electra 1028 Be' (http://www.focal.com/en/electra-1000-be-2/209-electra-1028-be-3544053695099.html) 1 x SB3, 1 x SB Boom, 1 x SB Radio and 2 x SB Touch - all wireless 1 x Wandboard Dual behind the bedroom ceiling 1 x Wandboard Dual for 'msqueeze' (http://www.msqueeze.co.nf/index.html) project 1 x Wandboard Quad (will eventually become my LMS server) ReadyNAS NVX running LMS 7.8.1. - 1402661598 iPeng 7 on iPhone. SqueezePad & iPeng 7 on iPad. http://www.last.fm/user/phibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102809 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox 2015 - Is the Squeezebox Universe Expanding of Shrinking?
The LMS compatibility is not even mentioned on brystons website ? it's ofcourse very easy to add just install squeezelite . Is the whole LMS server also preinstalled ? it can use external storage and play files from usb sticks and hard drives . The manual mentiosn MPD as the player . The price is very telling of the cost of high end, a nice box and overdesigned powersupply is probably the majority of the price . Kind of interesting if you do box count in a typical high end rig every function in a separate box :D And the risk premuim , what if the audio rags hype another brand next year ? You must have really high margins to stay profitable in high end audio over an extended period . Thats why it's a bit stupid that they dont put a DAC in it ,they got the box and the power supply adding another board wont make much more expensive, but of course they want to sell another box to you... Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102809 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox 2015 - Is the Squeezebox Universe Expanding of Shrinking?
Mnyb wrote: > The LMS compatibility is not even mentioned on brystons website ? it's > ofcourse very easy to add just install squeezelite . Is the whole LMS > server also preinstalled ? it can use external storage and play files > from usb sticks and hard drives . > The manual mentiosn MPD as the player . I would assume the USB storage isn't usable from the Squeezebox player software that they have installed, only from their standard player software. As you say, that would also require the internal computer to be running LMS. This is the only mention of LMS from the BDP-2 manual. It may be that Squeezelite was added only as a stopgap for people buying their $3000 device only to find that it can't even stream Internet radio. > > bRadio: Internet Radio > > Though it is currently not possible to match the sound quality of your > own music collection with streamed music from the internet, online radio > stations can provide an endless stream of music for casual or background > listening. Bryston is currently developing an interface specifically for > browsing a wealth of internet radio stations. > > In the mean time, the best way to listen to internet radio is by > enabling Squeezelite in Settings:Services, and installing Logitech Media > Server on your computer. > > Logitech Media Server provides a web user interface which provides > access to a broad list of internet radio options. There are also a wide > variety of free remotes for Android and iOS. > JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102809 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox 2015 - Is the Squeezebox Universe Expanding of Shrinking?
mherger wrote: > > > It's unsure, unless they decide not only to take advantage of the free > software provided by some guys out there, but to contribute to it, > helping to keep it alive. > That would be nice Michael. But honestly, that is just wishful thinking. The software is open source and so a company's efforts would be available to everyone and for free. Not a good business plan for a commercial company. 'M-DAC' (http://www.audiolab.co.uk/M-DAC%20Series.aspx?lang=En) -> 'Cambridge Audio Azur 840E' (http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/products/azur-840e-pre-amplifier) -> 'Focal MP1200' (http://www.mp1200.co.nf/) -> 'Focal Electra 1028 Be' (http://www.focal.com/en/electra-1000-be-2/209-electra-1028-be-3544053695099.html) 1 x SB3, 1 x SB Boom, 1 x SB Radio and 2 x SB Touch - all wireless 1 x Wandboard Dual behind the bedroom ceiling 1 x Wandboard Dual for 'msqueeze' (http://www.msqueeze.co.nf/index.html) project 1 x Wandboard Quad (will eventually become my LMS server) ReadyNAS NVX running LMS 7.8.1. - 1402661598 iPeng 7 on iPhone. SqueezePad & iPeng 7 on iPad. http://www.last.fm/user/phibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102809 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox 2015 - Is the Squeezebox Universe Expanding of Shrinking?
Ok then have Bryston contributed anything towards LMS or mysqueezebox.com ? Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102809 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox 2015 - Is the Squeezebox Universe Expanding of Shrinking?
Aren't virtually all DLNA servers also open source? For me there would be commercial viability only if a player supported both LMS and DLNA. We'd all use it with LMS but a chunk of people (majority?) would opt for DLNA. I can't help wondering whether Logitech might jump back on board - they must be peed off that they jumped out just as Sonos jumped in - it's consumer electronics after all. It might explain the "legal" issues. QNAP TS419P 4TB LMS7.7.2 *Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 connected Digitally - > Celestion Ditton F20s - and connected Analogue for Zone 2 -> Sony TA FE 320 -> Sennheiser RS 130 *Office* - SB3 -> Sony TA FE320 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) -> Topping TP20 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Various iThingys with iPeng & Tablets etc d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102809 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Bryston BDP-2. What's the point?
paulster wrote: > It'll probably be a nice unit if you can get Squeezelite running on it. > ;-) It comes with squeezelite preinstalled. doctor_big's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15196 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102816 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] LAME: where to put on OS X 10.10 and LMS 7.9
mherger wrote: > > Which LAME should I use? I know there is one for iTunes. And where > does > > it go? > > I don't know about any specific Lame for iTunes. But as long as you can > > run "lame" from the command line, you should be fine. > > Check Settings/Information/Helper Applications Folder for a place where > > to put your copy. > > -- > > Michael Michael, My first Helper folder is listed at: /Library/PreferencePanes/Squeezebox.prefPane/Contents/server/Bin/darwin I untarred a LAME package folder and put it there (also saw some stuff like FLAC in my folder above), but that didn't work. I realize I'm doing this wrong :) SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103045 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] LAME: where to put on OS X 10.10 and LMS 7.9
I found this helpful post/installer and it somehow put LAME in the right spot, my transcoding works great now! http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?70922-LAME-on-OS-X-iTunes-9-SS-7-4-1&p=541520&viewfull=1#post541520 SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103045 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] LAME: where to put on OS X 10.10 and LMS 7.9
You can get a command-line version of lame for OS X by installing Macports: https://www.macports.org/ Once Macports is installed, open Terminal and enter Code: sudo port install lame to install lame. On my Mac Pro, this installs lame-3.99.5 in /opt/local/bin/lame. Ron Olsen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9233 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103045 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] LAME: where to put on OS X 10.10 and LMS 7.9
Thanks Ron for that alternative method! SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103045 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] High-end, low-cost hardware player
I have been waiting for a number of years for a large (affordable) leap in performance from my SB3 > Opus DAC combination. Initially it looked like it would be a USB to I2S/SPDIF device that was in the works at Twisted Pear. That didn't come to fruition as (I suspect) new possibilities made each prospective design seem outmoded even before it could be released. Now Twisted Pear seams close to release of a cape for the BBB with sophisticated clocks and high quality connectivity. http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/twisted-pear/250583-building-open-embedded-audio-applicance.html http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/twisted-pear/258254-support-botic-linux-driver.html This would seem to be a real possibility to access via SoA and preserve the server/player architecture we prefer. This would likely be more costly than the 'lost' project, maybe borderline for me, but I am fairly confident it will be good stuff given my happy experience with Twisted Pear. Has anyone played with the Botic driver and SoA? Skip skip_pack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59103 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103042 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] High-end, low-cost hardware player
Hmm. I actually think we already have all the options we need. Raspberry Pi with Hifiberry DAC/Digi/Amp, running Picoreplayer and you're covered. The only problem I see right now is WiFi setup and maybe hardware volume control for the "Amp" version. Wifi is a problem, because you have to set it up manually, either by editing files on a PC or by connecting to Ethernet and then doing setup via webinterface. Oh, and the Server running on an Odroid U3 is fantastic. Raspberry Pu works as server, but it's a bit sluggish at times... A small display and some buttons, and you'd have that solved, but adding that on top of everything else is not so easy. Also, fitting it all into some kind of case is not trivial either. But one thing is even worse: as long as all this is DIY, and nobody builds a player like this and sells it in electronics stores, it will remain a niche product, and support for Streaming services and so on will be up to the community, which might or might not keep it alive. Without Triode, sbp and others the Squeezebox/LMS would have died ages ago. CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103042 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox 2015 - Is the Squeezebox Universe Expanding of Shrinking?
d6jg wrote: > Logitech might jump back on board - they must be peed off that they > jumped out just as Sonos jumped in - it's consumer electronics after > all. Well Sonos was around quite a while before Logitech jumped out. But the biggest trouble was that Squeezebox was simply there much too early for consumers. Only really since streaming services as Spotify started has the market for streaming / file players begun to evolve. Before it was a tiny niche market, now it seems like everyone wants a piece of the cake and everybody is interested in these products. A stupid time to stop the Squeeze product line. They should have waited a bit and actually brought new products out and not only the sort of kitchen radio the UE Radio was. A great shame. There is no system that can compete with Squeeze - well maybe Volumio... Sonos has it's merrits, but it aint no Squeeze. Therefore our homemade players are really amongst the best streaming players around - also cheaper than Raumfeld and all those other streaming players. So a Receiver we have with these players, what we need is a homemade Boom ;-) LMS 7.9.0 on Wandboard (SoA) Synology DS-410j NAS Squeezebox Touch, Squeezebox Boom, Squeezebox Radio, HifiBerry PicorePlayer Schiit - BIFROST Dac Spotify Premium iPhone: iPeng - iPad: Squeezepad, iPengHD Squeezemenicely's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41812 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102809 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
