Re: [slim] Squeezebox is (not) dead... One year later.
Yep The same on my side. It is already quite some time passed since I have my installation working with no issues. Family just loves it. It is pity to know that such great offering is not developed further. It has great potential and possibly would exist well being an independent company. == Duet: 2 Controllers + 4 Receivers; 1 Touch and happy Family ! Intel Atom 330 Linux Server -- wired Ethernet to 1Gb Switch -- Router -- DSL -- net... AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=99919 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
NFLnut wrote: QFT The only iDevices that I own are the 1st gen click wheel and the 1st gen iPod Touch. And I have rarely used them. iTunes however, is THE single worst piece of software I have ever used! I have zero interest in proprietary, crippled hardware that I cannot customize and use in nearly any way I so choose. I just can confirm similar feelings in regards to the proprietary closed devises. The funny thing is that we are more in the minority. Mainstream needs easy to use fancy devices, and Apple sales just confirms that. Android world also follows it. The same is about SONOS and many other items appeared on the market. It is like the discussion about proprietary copy rights and many other topics a lot of us are not happy about this, but market goes own way. Most consumers do not really care as long as it works and do not mind when something goes into the trash bin after just few months of service. It is where the mainstream is, where most of cash is in. And the future will be just evolving further in this direction: more content will be leased and not owned, more devices will be going that way. New Windows will just reinforce this trend as it will be much more closed systems then we used to have. Linux will be own island where remaining freedom spirit will be. AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
erland wrote: Posting complains or require more information about the reasons behind shutdown Squeezeboxes isn't going to get us anywhere. fully agree, there is only one way to get further support - to give Logitech a hint about something they possibly missed in their planning. AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Paid music services over Squeezebox players in the future- is this gonna discontinue?
Mnyb wrote: And what about a good headphone output in some model ? The workaround would be to go for the headphone amplifier they are available in most music stores and rather not inexpensive with very solid quality. AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96371 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Paid music services over Squeezebox players in the future- is this gonna discontinue?
JJZolx wrote: What are you talking about? Did I miss an announcement, or is this you speculating about how Logitech is going to gouge customers in the future? It is just thoughts shared based on the experience how the portfolio planning happened at big companies :-) As Logitech is a public company with strong focus on shareholder value and profit basic assumption would be how this company is going to earn money and what are the revenue streams are available / possible. There is no need to go into deep marketing analysis to get understanding how Logitech earns money and what opportunities are available / left for Moos_Man in case (s)he is going to make so attractive offer to Logitech. The rest is just thoughts shared with this great community, and please see it as an attempt to have a look into the future. Logitech will be taking care about customers as long as it brings profit, and at the point when it will be turning red instant actions will be triggered whether we like it or not they are not a charity. And there is no reason to blame them for being success oriented I still love Logitech keyboards and mice and would like to have a newer and better model at the moment when mine is suddenly dead. AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96371 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Paid music services over Squeezebox players in the future- is this gonna discontinue?
moos_man wrote: Hey Guys, I would like to understand how big/active/passionate the Squeeze community really is at this point, and how much real interest there is in keeping things going, and growing, int the future. I'm not talking about keeping this on life support (as per now), but in terms of new products and restoring the commitment to quality music playback - think transporter on steroids and other cool products. I'm seriously thinking about making an offer to Logitech for the rights, so would appreciate considered feedback. Cheers, Moos Man Moos Man, This is a great idea to think about. I would may be add few other questions to this in order to see the future. The community is the place where owners of already purchased devices are and might be not your future first customers. The real question is where the market is? And who are your future customers? Some years back SlimDevices had technology advantages and unique opportunity, but is it still true today? This forum is full of discussions and comparisons and as you can find out - many alternatives are available now from companies like e.g. Sonos, Philips and of course Apple. All of them have great set of alternatives and all of them are easy to use out of the box, what was a bit different for SlimDevices. Logitech is pursuing two monetization streams: devices sales and content usage based - this is a major reason why all new devices are connected to Logitech servers. Content usage based model is not new and already well developed by e.g. Apple, followed by Google, Amazon, Sony and many others (with different success rate !). Logitec has made clear decision to move to easy-to-use and no knowledge required segment this is a volume strategy most likely with low cost of the product to maximize the profit. It is what Logitech is good at with ability to keep great quality standards - typing on Logitech Keyboard and using Logitech mouse ;-) What business model and monetization are you going to follow? Is it a device sales? Would you be able to generate enough revenue to keep network infrastructure up and running? Would you go for advanced enthusiast community approach? How many competitors are there already? As the food for thoughts: e.g. companies like Denon, Onkyo and many others have Network radio in their offering and rely mainly on device sales leaving network/traffic related monetization aside receiving only small royalty (guess based on indirect information) from content providers like Spotify in case user has paid subscription. AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96371 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
Money, money, money... - Nothing actually new at least Logitech openly talks with the community. Very much appreciated! Hosting our requests for internet radio requires some computer power and a big one. It does not matter where servers are: in amazon or somewhere else this is just expensive. Products like Duet, Touch, and complete palette of classical SlimDevices these all do not generate (enough?) revenue to keep it up and running. This was clear a mistake to keep central server in the concept from the day 1. What was good to go for IPO or in this particular case for acquisition. I truly appreciate whole SlimDevice team as great visionary engineers and businessmen! Well Done ! I truly appreciate it. I was not expecting Logitech committing anything for our community and our devices - this would economically not wise. Even a source code keeps quite some Know-how, which is a key. I would not be surprised if Logitech will get some patents to keep it protected at least I would do it. I personally like comment Mnyb | September 28th, 2012 at 9:24 pm as correctly pointing issues out. Me too stream has the same infrastructure issue inherited in the business model - all that devices will follow the same path: moderate sales and short live. It is only matter of time. All reasons were already well listed in this forum. The good news is: all that new Logitech iRadio devises will be rather emotional purchases with short living time with no regret, and will be dumped by owners much quicker keeping Logitech infrastructure burden significantly lower. We might see great success this Christmas season, or silent sunset afterwards. I am not going to join the pessimistic stream about Duet and whole abandoned camp, rather see weak business reasons to keep huge infrastructure with no revenue generation up and running it does not make much sense economically, at least to me. Logitech is a public company there is no any reason to blame them for acquiring startups and discontinuing ideas, which do not take mass market. As Ive already mentioned in one of my previous posts: It would be nice if Logitech creates ultimately LAST release with no dependency on central Logitech server, with possibility to connect external internet radio typing their IP in the configuration at least this might keep the community happy. AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Sunset Squeezebox Server release? - please
I was following many discussions about Squeeze future and about Duet and Touch death. Quite diverse feelings were in my heart. Nothing is forever in this short living technology world. Technologies are coming and leaving the space like comets and brighter they are short their live. It is similar to the moment when Ive moved my big type recorder down to the cellar and let it be there in peace. This was predicted that the solution complexity and usability would be the hindering factor, the speed of occupying shop shelves and rather silent marketing complain all that would be the reason to shorten the product presence on the market. Product did not really take off in big mass and SqueezeBox idea did not gain from the acquisition. It is always goes that way when small and rather successful company is getting into big business by being swallowed. There are not too many success stories there. I hope all founders have been rewarded and we , quite big community out there successfully using these products. I am one of those. I have complete set-up, which functions very well and delights whole family. In this message I would like to thank you all, who were involved in creation of this product, who has put own heart into it. And also hope that at the day when there will be a decision to SUNSET entire line or make big move to new technology abandoning the old world full of Duets and Touches, there will be a new LAST version of the Squeeze SERVER, which can be set in the way that it is functioning completely unattached to the Logitech servers securing long life of these nice products, which become part of the family and deserve to stay as part of the family much longer. I really hope Logitech will make everything to keep vast community happy. AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96512 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Sunset SqueezeServer release? � please
I was following many discussions about Squeeze future and about Duet and Touch death. Quite diverse feelings were in my heart. Nothing is forever in this short living technology world. Technologies are coming and leaving the space like comets and brighter they are short their live. It is similar to the moment when Ive moved my big type recorder down to the cellar and let it be there in peace. This was predicted that the solution complexity and usability would be the hindering factor, the speed of occupying shop shelves and rather silent marketing complain all that would be the reason to shorten the product presence on the market. Product did not really take off in big mass and SqueezeBox idea did not gain from the acquisition. It is always goes that way when small and rather successful company is getting into big business by being swallowed. There are not too many success stories there. I hope all founders have been rewarded and we , quite big community out there successfully using these products. I am one of those. I have complete set-up, which functions very well and delights whole family. In this message I would like to thank you all, who were involved in creation of this product, who has put own heart into it. And also hope that at the day when there will be a decision to sunset entire line or make big move to new technology abandoning the old world full of Duets and Touches, there will be a new LAST version of the Squeeze SERVER, which can be set in the way that it is functioning completely unattached to the Logitech servers securing long life of these nice products, which become part of the family and deserve to stay as part of the family much longer. I really hope that Logitech will make everything to keep vast community happy. AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96513 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Just 5 years and a bit less than 2 month Logitech has acquired Slim Devices
it turned to be very interesting discussion. observing initial concerns and current stage I would agree with one of posts above that Logitech does great job pushing product around the globe. position and market share could be bigger if we would not have some challenges with the software at the beginning of Duet era. it was a pain to get new concept and combine it with many external services. Logitech did a great job and was definitely one of pioneers in this arena. this software related hurtles hindered product and delayed real launch. I do not know figures, but might guess that they are not so high for duet, but should be much better for Radio and Touch. I personally love touch - it is just great. Even my 5 years old son could handle it. and I would be happy to replace all duets by Touches - just difficult to trigger extra expenses to replace something what works now without any issue. Sonos, actually, did a great job and it is well presented in many shops around. and what was very surprising, sales people on the floor could explain how it works, could advice configuration and recommend different alternatives. Analyzing this i believe it helped Sonos to capture its market share. Logitech could trigger similar approach, what just could be a bit difficult because most of Logitech products usually just self explanatory and lay on the shelf waiting to be picked up. maggior;676659 Wrote: What I thought was awesome about the duet was the ability to expand the system with headless players for little cost. Especially now with iOS and android apps to act as contolers, this is really cool. and indeed - it is one of the key reasons why i have twice more Duet stations than controllers. Really like this product. The only one drop of bitter was software release where connectivity between controller and receiver was an issues. I must admit it was resolver relatively quickly, but still it was a pain for the family for some weeks, right at the beginning, shortly after setup completion. what do you think, how future for this product line looks like, how it will evolve? -- AndreE == Duet: 2 Controllers + 4 Receivers and 1 Touch Intel Atom 330 Linux Server wired Ethernet to 1Gb Switch -- Router -- DSL -- net... and happy Family ! AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92232 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Just 5 years and a bit less than 2 month Logitech has acquired Slim Devices
Just 5 years and a bit less than 2 month Logitech has acquired Slim Devices http://www.logitech.com/en-us/172/2763 It was interesting discussion triggered after this renouncement with a lot of glory and concerns http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 What do you think about it? What parts of that earlier discussions have become truth and what do you think was evaporating with the time passing by? -- AndreE == Duet: 2 Controllers + 4 Receivers and 1 Touch Intel Atom 330 Linux Server wired Ethernet to 1Gb Switch -- Router -- DSL -- net... and happy Family ! AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92232 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Good Squeezebox alternative?
This sounds like Logitech needs to get sales up ;-) and have this business successful. Than it would be my Christmas wish to Logitech ! -- AndreE == Duet: 2 Controllers + 4 Receivers and 1 Touch Intel Atom 330 Linux Server wired Ethernet to 1Gb Switch -- Router -- DSL -- net... and happy Family ! AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91090 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Good Squeezebox alternative?
The discussion is getting hot ;-) There was quite simple question: what can be used as an alternative to my duet? Receiving an offer for Apple TV (second generation) with price tag below 100 Euro (Touch costs still 250+) I see it would be hard to keep the battle Again, I am happy with my Logitech setup, just worry about its future. if mysb.com will be off will my whole system be able to listen radio? -- AndreE == Duet: 2 Controllers + 4 Receivers and 1 Touch Intel Atom 330 Linux Server wired Ethernet to 1Gb Switch -- Router -- DSL -- net... and happy Family ! AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91090 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Good Squeezebox alternative?
I would agree with most arguments listed above. One observation raises some questions on my side. Ive just recently visited Hi-Fi shop next to me to have a look on local offering and prices (thinking to upgrade my already aging home cinema) and what Ive seen was a bit surprising. Majority of vendors is moving towards AirPlay or DLNA, or both together. Most common platforms offer iPad/iPhone plugs, it might be for extra money or not - it does no matter for this discussion. For me it is an indicator about the market need or market development trend. Some years ago I was looking on Philips audio devices and was puzzled what DLNA could actually mean - now it is everywhere. It was too complex to understand and to configure, documentation was huge at that time. Most of you say that server is essential - agree, but we do have it on each Apple notebook or even Windows one when we install iTune. When I recall my experience with iTune - it is easy to install (it was actually one click), no extra configuration. When I wanted to rip CD - again it was done with one click. When I wanted to change tags - it is part of iTune functionality - it was very easy and very intuitive. Meaning average not-computer addicted person can do it with no special education. Whole cycle is done using preconfigured software named iTune. I guess whole story is about usability. I would not invent the wheel by saying that complexity limits the market. I see that it was exactly this for Squeeze devices. I do not want to hammer it, just share the observation and experience. Visiting this shop I had a talk about possibilities available at many devices, and I was very surprised about the progress made by the industry over several, actually just few years. Most devices can a lot now: play net radio, play from HDD or USB stick, many support FLAC now, can synchronously play over the net. Majority supports up to 5 devices or even more at the same time. Most have one-two pages documentation how to configure the device quickly. In the same time have full set of possible features to tweak anything e.g. IP addressed, network settings and many other things. Even offer external over the net device management like Duet does. One of most astonishing messages on the label was: Radio: 2.000+ stations. I see that niche becomes small, very packed by elephants, and as it is written in many strategy books - niche position is difficult to keep over long time. There is only one way to get on track - to get out of niche and become a player on mass market. Logitech knows how to do it - look on devices around the globe. Each of us has one or more ;-) - I type this message on Logitech keyboard and using Logitech mouse. But this is a bit different market, would it work for Squeeze devices? Staying in this niche seems to me become vitally dangerous. -- AndreE == Duet: 2 Controllers + 4 Receivers and 1 Touch Intel Atom 330 Linux Server wired Ethernet to 1Gb Switch -- Router -- DSL -- net... and happy Family ! AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91090 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Logitech and vTuner
Just followed the internet radio topic and found that most of big hi-fi and audio equipment vendors (list is on the sight) have a server platform called http://www.vtuner.com/services.asp as a common place for internet radio I guess it is an analog to mysqueezeserver hosted by Logitech Seen the diversification of vTune platform vs. privately hosted by Logitech question of hosting costs was coming to my mind as well. Is there any indication that Squeeze/Logitech will follow this trend as well and become a global partner of common platform? Or putting it differently. In case Logitech decides to discontinue Squeeze devices support and stops own server would there be any chance to reconnect devices to vTuner? (as an exit strategy with low harm to users) -- AndreE == Duet: 2 Controllers + 4 Receivers and 1 Touch Intel Atom 330 Linux Server wired Ethernet to 1Gb Switch -- Router -- DSL -- net... and happy Family ! AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92056 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'
This is very interesting discussion. I guess the real thread for average user comes from external complexity Any mass-market solution should be easy to set-up and operate by one fingertip. Interestingly TV solution rivals are: Samsung with its HUB, Philips with similar ideas and of course Apple. Apple TV and coming real TV box will change the entertainment world soon. I see that standard broadcast will have serious problems from this side. Who needs a standard TV when you can stream everything from internet using one of HUBX or possible iTune? Still market is fresh and many solutions are not mature, but main brands are already far ahead of most. I personally believe that Logitech could launch the product doing both: audio and video. I would be happy to move all my movies to the same server where my music is. But would it be really implementable and supported? Main argumentation against would be the piracy (as all discussions about movies). It would be great to move all DVDs and later Blue-Rays to the server and have them available at any time I need and it is possible (to some extend) with Apple platform Pity, I see Logitech is a bit too late to get to this market and content provider is a key for success. Google did not fulfill this role. Another alternative would be to move to the same filed where big boys are to start offering content like e.g. Apple does. But this would not fit to Logitech business model as it is now, and produces a lot of conflicts with many partners, even with Apple. I see it as less likely happening. -- AndreE == Duet: 2 Controllers + 4 Receivers and 1 Touch Intel Atom 330 Linux Server wired Ethernet to 1Gb Switch -- Router -- DSL -- net... and happy Family ! AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Good Squeezebox alternative?
It is very interesting question about Airplay bitrate. Tried to find any information, but no any exposure to figures And thanks for sharing optimism I really wish Logitech all the best with this product line. After many issues with some version I finally have my music at my hands and whole family enjoys it. -- AndreE == Duet: 2 Controllers + 4 Receivers and 1 Touch Intel Atom 330 Linux Server wired Ethernet to 1Gb Switch -- Router -- DSL -- net... and happy Family ! AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91090 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'
Mnyb;673031 Wrote: don't forget that the big money in TV comes from the comercials nobody would afford TV if it where all paid by the subscription , thats a fraction of the costs involved. So the TV exist to expose you to comercials, your favorite TV show is a tool to have you sitting there :) or abundantly high payments will be leveled to normal and a lot of expensive stuff, which are questionable, will go to nirvana - e.g. cost adjustment :-) I would support this -- AndreE == Duet: 2 Controllers + 4 Receivers and 1 Touch Intel Atom 330 Linux Server wired Ethernet to 1Gb Switch -- Router -- DSL -- net... and happy Family ! AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'
castalla;673034 Wrote: BBC manage without subscription - a yearly licence fee is sufficient - and results in the best radio and TV in the world. Subscription tv is a curse. we do pay quite some money in Germany on monthly basis - i still question some content produced for it some are very valid and interesting, but it could be definitely more efficient -- AndreE == Duet: 2 Controllers + 4 Receivers and 1 Touch Intel Atom 330 Linux Server wired Ethernet to 1Gb Switch -- Router -- DSL -- net... and happy Family ! AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Interesting Debate On Sonos
Buying the company not an easy game neither the best solution when you have this line of business already in-house. And Logitech has done this already. What Logitech should do is to get things better planned, developed and what is extremely important tested before it goes into the market. And Logitech knows how to do it right #8211; proved by the financial results and market share and position. What may be a bit missing #8211; the link to customer requirements and match them into the product This forum as well as the Bugszilla from Slim are providing the good input. And if some of those requirements were discussed with the users (I hope they already do this) #8211; than the result should be coming soon. The fixes and the list of issues users have shows that the testing is not done in the best way. e.g. one of German manufactures uses own employs to test cars before they go to the market; they have big pool and most of people can get the car to go to the canteen (2-3 km from some buildings) and by coming back what they have to do is to write a report about the experience, and what could be done in a different way #8211; by research people it was confirmed to be one of key sources for innovations and quality/usability improvements. Logitech may do the same #8211; it should not be an issue to find good and reliable community to work with and I am pretty sure there would be enough people who would be able to do the testing job right#8230; but! not just have fun, but also an obligation to really test and properly report (without emotions)! -- AndreE Duet: 2 Controllers and 4 Receivers Plan: +2 Receivers and + 1 Controller [quite positive after move to 7.4.1 and later to 7.4.2] Linux Intel Atom 330 based Server - [not completely configured yet] wired Ethernet to 1Gb Switch, than Router via DSL to the net... no WiFi at all AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75415 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...
Today morning I woke up and wanted listening music... just something calm And... all my receivers were in this funky greenish light. Ive re-set one receiver and controller together, but... stopped doing for others. It was a sadness and frustration in my heart. You know how long it takes to get it restarted and connected And first what I had: was a announcement about one of the stations, than this fancy song time counter on the controller and no song coming out of my speakers, but just a silence. I had to switch between stations twice before it started playing music... and it was a time to leave. This was very frustrating... this greenish eyes silently watching on you... -- AndreE Duet: 2 Controllers and 4 Receivers Plan: +2 Receivers and + 1 Controller [unfortunately on freeze due to product instability after move to 7.4.0] Linux Intel Atom 330 based Server - [not completely configured yet] wired Ethernet to 1Gb Switch, than Router via DSL to the net... no WiFi at all AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69945 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Letter of concern: Too many different players..?
Diversity is always good as long as there is an abstraction layer And I hope it is in place, otherwise some of older products will need to go very soon -- AndreE Duet: 2 Controllers and 4 Receivers Plan: +2 Receivers and + 1 Controller [unfortunately on freeze due to product instability after move to 7.4.0] Linux Intel Atom 330 based Server - [not completely configured yet] wired Ethernet to 1Gb Switch, than Router via DSL to the net... no WiFi at all AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69751 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...
Pascal Hibon? you've brought valid point. It was the same for me. I've evaluated Squeeze Philosophy against Sonos and some others, coming to the market. It is exactly the Philosophy and the ideas and community behind were main selling points for me as well, but now it raises concern about the way how rapidly software market and its good products are sliding to ship and forget way of dealing with customers. Logitech is a great company - they know how to make good products and how to deliver them to the market. It just looks like the target group for Duet and some other new in the family is a bit different to what Logitech used to have - this may be an issue and may require a learning curve. I really hope that Product management is reading this forum, at least time-to tome. and it is correct: Christmas is coming - it should be perfect by that time, otherwise it may be a big problem afterwards. Net-Radio and music definitely take off - and Logitech wants to be at the market maker area. -- AndreE Duet: 2 Controllers and 4 Receivers 1R: - DENON AVR-3806 - 7 speakers + 2 Sub 2R: - DENON PMA-700 - 2 Canton speakers 3R: - Sony Music Center 4R: - 2 Active Speakers Yamaha HS80M + Sub Plan: +2 Receivers and + 1 Controller [unfortunately on freeze due to product instability after to move to 7.4.0] Linux Intel Atom 330 based Server - [not completely configured yet] Connection via 6.Cat wired Ethernet to 1Gb net Switch, than Router via DSL to the net... no WiFi at all AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69945 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...
erland;474437 Wrote: The problem is that everyone doesn't want to participate in beta testing, some just like to have a stable system and listen to their music. Hi erland, is is a valid point. I would be glad to, but only when I have time Most of the time my family is using devices, sorry would like to use it? but has an issue. If I do not reboot each receiver and controller in the morning - there is no music at my house. If I would get pair of extra devices with some significant discount as a Beta program package - why not, I will be filling all bug reports and perform even predefined tests - would be glad to do, but paying some hundreds I would expect it would be working. and this would be fine when it is a community type of the development, but Logitech is a bg company with very well established processes and known and proved quality records!!! Would you mind to have a keyboard, which may give you different keystrokes depending on the firmware? I do not think so ;-) When you buy a mass product - it should work If you target big audience - it is a clear indication from the amount of partnership programs lunched recently - this should be out of the box working solution with no ongoing hassles. I would not be so mush surprised if Duet and some other troubling products would be removed from the market, sorry, replaced by more advanced ones and all investment weve made into our audio-live will buried in the dust. Looking on the differences in the architecture and solutions - it looks like it may happen - too many and too radical changes are happening. And - many people were reporting problems. Who of us was followed by the development with the request and clarified the set-up, parameters and other staff? No one, may be few. This was in good old time, when it was a community product. Unless they have a direct access to each device - I would be glad it is a case and all problems are resolved after some time without any touch to the remote. This would be a great thing! Lets hope that Logitech is really working hard on resolving what needs to be resolved and will not dump Duet and will surprise us with the solution we like and are proud again. And you know, we will bring more and continues money flow to Logitech account purchasing different services and enjoying the music at out fingers! -- AndreE Duet: 2 Controllers and 4 Receivers Plan: +2 Receivers and + 1 Controller [unfortunately on freeze due to product instability after move to 7.4.0] Linux Intel Atom 330 based Server - [not completely configured yet] wired Ethernet to 1Gb Switch, than Router via DSL to the net... no WiFi at all AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69945 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...
I was reading all these posts with a smile... and grief first three emotional posts were exactly what I have experienced in my case. most probably I am one of those who recently stepped into the game, purchased quite a number of devices, just could configure them... and got 7.4.0 installed I still have no active local server and as a result was promoted to new release voluntarily ;-) my frustration was ... let's say also high. now it is better - i know - I am not alone on this path... and ... it does not help so... some of mentioned issues appear in my case on regular base and some are really easy to reproduce. it is reduced menu and missing go back to Squeeze net menu entry and many others... as well as the counter on the remote showing the progress when all receivers have greenish light and not only... but how I can bring this back to Logitech? how to make it available to Developers... and are they interesting to get my experience? being in software business for many-many years I've seen some acquisitions, where great products, designed for one purpose, were targeted to another market segment... and you know, it was not always easy and great idea, or even successful move. Many were, but not all. I truly believe and really hope that Duet would recover from this downturn. I truly wish it happening because I am one of those few (most likely many) customers who suffers from this and who NEED this happening the competition - is a big driver market is very dynamic - no question but users' trust - it is a great value, and it is better to wait a bit longer, but bring mature product to the market where no visible or harmful issues are. there is no any product without bugs - it is normal, but there are different bugs some are - postpone Release to customer Date type ! and... my plans to expand my set-up are also on freeze and... I've stopped advising this product... because, you know... it is very embarrassing to see someone who has troubles with your advice and... you cannot help and ... this person had a great trust to your words, which are turned into the dust at one day by some you have no influence to... trust and loyalty are the great value PS typing on Logitech keyboard and using Logitech mouse, but not using Logitech speakers and... thinking about Duet -- AndreE AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69945 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How I may speed-up the digitalization of my CDs?
Hi Jim, Would you share the idea about your approach? It would be interesting for me (I am in some thoughts about the backup concept) Andre -- AndreE AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68174 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How I may speed-up the digitalization of my CDs?
Hi aubuti, You are completely right. It is just a question of when to make a back up. The process was just somewhere in the middle... and there were no indication to have anything happening... never before... but you know. It is unpredictable and lies in the area of probabilities of events where we have no power to influence The learning curve is passed... lets see whether the education was good enough to stay for long -- AndreE AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68174 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] How I may speed-up the digitalization of my CDs?
Hi to everybody, I am in the process of digitalization of my CD library. My Linux box is working fast (if I can say so) with factor ~3-3,5 based on what I have seen in different posts it is a decent speed. And all tries did not bring any further increase. Ive triedto use of my notebook with MS vista installed. The digitalization works fine but I could not get to the same standard what I have in Linux. File naming is different. The tags from OpenDb were not retrived in the same way or with the same quality. How to get it synchronized from the naming convention and tags point of view? What tools on Vista may bring the same what I can get from Grip + FLAC converter? Any suggestions? Any suggestion would be very appreciated -- AndreE AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68174 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How I may speed-up the digitalization of my CDs?
funkstar, I know that I am not really digitalizing ;-) you are right, ripping... would be a better word Mnyb, the idea about two drivers is an interesting one. I had two, but it was some hassle on my old Pentium box and Ive removed one. It could be potentially due to the difference: one drive is PATA and second was a SATA. I will try another drive to see whether this would be wokring. Are there any similar to Grip + FLAC solutions on Vista? ( and if they are freeware even better) Who use what? -- AndreE AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68174 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How I may speed-up the digitalization of my CDs?
I know this feeling. Bigger part was ripped, but then... there was an electricity incident and the data was... lost together with HDD HDD was in old PC - no big lose, but the time - this is regrettable ;-( -- AndreE AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68174 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Stop The Monster cable Bullying
ok, trademark rights... it does not change the nature of the problem. you are right also about million of words... the statistic also says that few people on this earth may overcome a hundred thousand limit, most are below or much below ten thousand. Please do not take me wrong. I am not to offend anybody neither to start a polemic. The point is: Monster is widely spread and used word. And according to the low in many countries it is not allowed to do so. Just thing is MS would be successful to make a patent on several programming commands like goto if and some others... the attempt was in place, but likely it was refused. There is a low and common sense It is like internet name occupation for later sales It should be prohibited to sue someone who does not abuse your trademark by being in another business, neither to allow registration in the areas where company has no business in. -- AndreE AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55787 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] controlling several wired Receivers with one Controller and no wifi AP?
Ive been asking many questions related to the subject, receiving many replies I was a bit lost in few topics This is the one of those: I have wired land and not WiFi at home at all. And I am planning to have at least two, potentially maybe three or four SqueezBox Duo receivers connected to the LAN via cable. One of the receivers is going to be purchased as a bundle SqueezBox Duo with the Remote controller. My question: would it work fine in this case with all receivers installed in different corners of my place ? Would I have a problem due to missing WiFi? -- AndreE AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63736 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Stop The Monster cable Bullying
It is really sad story and creasy way of doing business No ethic and no excuse Just think. The copyright allows having any word or word combination patented/protected by copyrights. And human vocabulary is relatively small, not more than some thousand words. The amount of reasonable combinations is bigger, but not much. The amount of positive words or combinations is much smaller. And if any creasy company will make a claim for any basic word this would be just a problem, because there is just one step to the point where we would need to be just silent. Anything what we say would be violating one or another patent/copyright claim... And may be at that point of time it would become clear that this low is a bit too wrong, especially how it is applied in some countries (sorry, guys, nothing personal) -- AndreE AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55787 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] controlling several wired Receivers with one Controller and no wifi AP?
Hi Aubuti, Thanks for the reply. By first part of your message you are confirmed my guess. It would be great if someone could state something about possibility to have Remote connected dynamically to different receivers. -- AndreE AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63736 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] controlling several wired Receivers with one Controller and no wifi AP?
It sounds like I need to have a PC with the Squeeze software installed and on. Is it right? May I go into the internet radio without PC on? I am again sidetracking - sorry for that -- AndreE AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63736 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Why would not turn the SC into full Media server?
I was reading many topics on this forum and found very interesting in understanding what I may do and what not with SqueezeCenter. The interesting discovery was that I may have it installed on relatively small mini Atom based box, which would cost me ~250 Euro including 330 Atom with 1G Memory and 1TB Hard drive. This would be way cheaper than to have NAS with less computing and performance capacity. It was very great and drives me away from the Sonos solution, which offers less interesting things due to the proprietary architecture and way higher price. But doing the planning for the next step into the multi-room audition I came to some other thoughts in regard to the Server. Whatever I do the solution looks like a small PS playing Music server role. It is good for money it costs, but it is still an investment. What many people were mentioning in this forum was : ... I would better wait a bit and take better version of ... or more advanced model of ... By reading this I was thinking why do not make another step into the multimedia center where I would be able to record TV shows from the cable or play Blue-ray, which I still do not have? Such thoughts were driving me to the question, would it be worth of making the real multimedia server with more power and cover not just music but some other aspects and step into TV area e.g. with HDMI interface and possibility to record and play Video. The sad thing is Atom, even 330 version, would not cover this, more powerful platform would be required. It still would be fine under Linux, but would need more memory and CPU hose power. Reading the forum I did not find any post where this step was touched. Is anybody using this in Squeeze world? Ive just found very interesting offer with Intel DG45FC Board where HDMI is coming out of the box and Intel claims perfect 1080p play. I was thinking to have 4G and Intel Core2 E8400 or E8500 on it. There just one question what to do with the TV/Cable tuner. And whether this approach is reasonable... these questions are bothering me a lot and I would very appreciate your thoughts about it. -- AndreE AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63629 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] may I download Napster music into SC on NAS and then listen it Off-line
good! this was one part of may concerns... -- AndreE AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Why would not turn the SC into full Media server?
Did you try to get 1080p on your box or it would need more HW power? I know, the question is a bit odd, but who knows - some people are keen to try -- AndreE AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63629 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Why would not turn the SC into full Media server?
I was thinking about Intel DG45FC MB. Intel claims sufficient video power for this type of work... but who knows. is there anyone who did this? -- AndreE AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63629 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] may I download Napster music into SC on NAS and then listen it Off-line
Hi Would it be possible to download files from Napster (under subscription and with better quality) and listen it from SC on NAS powered by Atom (over Duet) without connection to the internet? -- AndreE AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] may I download Napster music into SC on NAS and then listen it Off-line
Hi Andy, Now I see how silly question was. I did not see it as DRM issue. Thanks for the reply. Understood. Are there plans to resolve this? It means the Duet is mainly for the internet streaming and for music from CDs I have and RIP into my server. Am I right? Would I be able to listen my CDs from the server without internet connection? -- AndreE AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] may I download Napster music into SC on NAS and then listen it Off-line
Did i understand right, I do scan and SC will do the job even without connection to i-net? -- AndreE AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
